Wholeheartedly agree. TT is definitely one of the big up and coming transit UA-camrs in Canada and I'm excited to see what else he puts out. Good luck and keep going TT!
1:02 "It's [the Trillium Line] been upgraded with more double track sections to allow for higher frequencies of every 12 minutes" -- The same line already had an average period of 12 minutes between trains during rush hour. The big differences will be the size of the trains, the length of the line, and the number of stations.
Hey TT glad to see you in Ottawa. Great reporting Always enjoyed your videos. Back in the day My Brothers went to Carleton the (Original) O Train was in the back. It was fun to ride then.
Too bad stage 3 won't be operational for quite some time, if it happens at all. Hopefully, once stage 2 is up and running and the benefits become visible, especially the west extension, there will be more pressure for stage 3 funding.
The problem is the railways they're building in Stage 2 are just as slow as Stage 1, so it's actually turning even more people away from transit rather than attracting them
Frequency on the earlier Trillium line was also every 12 minutes. Unfortunately the minimal amount of additional double tracking added to the original part of this line isn't enough to increase frequency, which must wait until more double trac is added at some point in the future
This is an important point, no improvements to frequency, and soon reductions in frequency on some connecting bus routes. This is great for Carleton students but if bus transfers are unreliable, the overall experience for non-students will be worse.
Line 3 is part of Phase 2, and will interline with much of Line 1. Note that the Confederation Line has two western legs. One is Line 1, the other Line 3
In Montréal Line 3 was owned by the Canadian National who refuse to sell the Tunnel we had to wait the the year 2000 when the last client of the CN left which mean the CN did not have no reason to keep the line open. They sold it to the AMT which sold it to CPDQ-Infra for the REM project. There is a possibitlité that Line 2-Orange will be split in two at Bonaventure The Western Branch will become Red line 3 an the eastern will be keeping to be the Orange Line 2
It interesting to see the contrast in engineering on these stations; I'm disappointed of the value engineering on stations of the Trillium Line without proper covered platforms, yet pleased they're present on the east/west extensions. Since Carleton & Bayview will be two of the busiest stations, you'd think they would warrant the better build-out... Fingers crossed this opening goes better than 2019! Great reporting on the progress!
Part of the Trillium Line platform at Bayview is covered by the bridges for the Confederation Line and Albert Street. You can transfer between lines 1 and 2 without getting wet.
Great overview. I'm impressed that you have footage of so much of the network! Please upgrade your microphone, it's very difficult to hear what you are saying.
One thing that’s really good here is that Canada hasn’t been among the countries with no rail transit in its capital. Better yet it’s nothing short of great how Ontario can boast more rail transit than any other province. Ottawa is going to beat Edmonton and Calgary to the punch in getting rail transit to its airport and Montreal is going in as well.
soon every large canadian city will have a DIRECT airport link. (no newark your uncovered outdoor plank of wood that requires a ride on the airport people mover doesn’t count)
Fairly well made video. Interesting how the road sections are filmed, it’s so high. Is the camera on top on an rv? Do you have any contacts with the powers that be that may include bike storage at each station? Is there any high density housing to be built near each station?
OC Transpo has a lot of double decker buses which helped get road shots. I'll talk to then about bike parking, all stations are zoned for high density development
probably not, Line 2 relies on an old freight rail tunnel to cross under dow's lake, which is why the frequency can't be better than every 12m. It's the only remaining single-track section north of south keys station. line 1&3 are fully double-tracked.
@@yukairayou can double track almost every segment and just have switches at either of the tunnel and have proper communication signalling to do so. It will be a bottleneck for sure but can drastically increase frequency
A generation or two, if ever. We have already seen that Line 2 had to close for over 4.5 years with few upgrades to the original section and no time savings or frequency improvements resulting. How can the line be double tracked without another substantial closure? Will the public tolerate this? I doubt it. The replacement bus service for the last 4.5 years has been horrible.
I would like to point out that there is no plan to improve frequency on connecting suburban bus routes. In fact, there will be many routes that bus routes will have reduced frequency, as currently planned and to be implemented in April 2025. OC made the same mistake when Line 1 opened in 2019 and turned off a lot of transit riders. Trains are useless if the connections to local buses are awful.
Pretty good overview of the progress, I especially appreciate you making note of the difference it makes for passengers to have covered and heated waiting areas. I don't know if it is just an aesthetic decision about the purpose of the video, but this seems lacking in reporting on the series of mistakes and failures our government has made along the way. Using the wrong materials to build tunnels, causing massive delays; contracting terrible construction companies on the cheap, like Rideau Transit Group (who are still being sued for failing to meet deadlines) and SNC Lavalin (who failed to meet the minimum technical score for the bidding process not just once, but twice [they were awarded the contract anyway through a loophole]); spending cuts from the provincial government putting the city's transit budget on life support... these expansions have been a logistical nightmare. Slightly off-topic, it never ceases to amaze me how boring and/or ugly our city is. Public transportation is improved by having unique buildings and distinctive architecture to look at as you ride. Everything is either a block of concrete or a tower of windows. There's no colour, no interesting designs. We seriously need to develop a new artistic culture in our city planning and urban development processes.
I avoided most of those issues because I'm not from the area and don't have enough knowledge to talk about it in the video. I also try to keep videos more positive, however if a project has issues I try to bring them up if I know enough about them
The visuals are quite good - but I think the voice over recording quality could be a lot better. Perhaps you need a new microphone - or a way to prevent it picking up some much echo?
@@yukaira My favourite was April 2024, middle of exams, and the train was shut down at St-Laurent station. The replacement bus was so late that I decided to just run back to my car and drive into uni to just barely make it to my exam on time. I'm glad to hear it hasn't had problems sice then by the soudns of it.
It’s time for you to take the torch from Reece because he retired, Canada’s new transit king
Wholeheartedly agree. TT is definitely one of the big up and coming transit UA-camrs in Canada and I'm excited to see what else he puts out.
Good luck and keep going TT!
1:02 "It's [the Trillium Line] been upgraded with more double track sections to allow for higher frequencies of every 12 minutes" -- The same line already had an average period of 12 minutes between trains during rush hour. The big differences will be the size of the trains, the length of the line, and the number of stations.
Hey TT glad to see you in Ottawa. Great reporting Always enjoyed your videos. Back in the day My Brothers went to Carleton the (Original) O Train was in the back. It was fun to ride then.
Too bad stage 3 won't be operational for quite some time, if it happens at all. Hopefully, once stage 2 is up and running and the benefits become visible, especially the west extension, there will be more pressure for stage 3 funding.
The problem is the railways they're building in Stage 2 are just as slow as Stage 1, so it's actually turning even more people away from transit rather than attracting them
Frequency on the earlier Trillium line was also every 12 minutes. Unfortunately the minimal amount of additional double tracking added to the original part of this line isn't enough to increase frequency, which must wait until more double trac is added at some point in the future
This is an important point, no improvements to frequency, and soon reductions in frequency on some connecting bus routes. This is great for Carleton students but if bus transfers are unreliable, the overall experience for non-students will be worse.
It’s wild that the OTrain uses Presto but iON LRT does not
it's kinda funny so many of Canada's transit systems are missing line 3
Ironically, 3 cities
Line 3 is part of Phase 2, and will interline with much of Line 1. Note that the Confederation Line has two western legs. One is Line 1, the other Line 3
@ I think he means that as of next week there will be three Canadian systems without a 3, irregardless of the future
In Montréal Line 3 was owned by the Canadian National who refuse to sell the Tunnel we had to wait the the year 2000 when the last client of the CN left which mean the CN did not have no reason to keep the line open. They sold it to the AMT which sold it to CPDQ-Infra for the REM project. There is a possibitlité that Line 2-Orange will be split in two at Bonaventure The Western Branch will become Red line 3 an the eastern will be keeping to be the Orange Line 2
It interesting to see the contrast in engineering on these stations; I'm disappointed of the value engineering on stations of the Trillium Line without proper covered platforms, yet pleased they're present on the east/west extensions. Since Carleton & Bayview will be two of the busiest stations, you'd think they would warrant the better build-out... Fingers crossed this opening goes better than 2019! Great reporting on the progress!
Part of the Trillium Line platform at Bayview is covered by the bridges for the Confederation Line and Albert Street. You can transfer between lines 1 and 2 without getting wet.
A couple of stations probably could've warranted larger canopies, but overall, I think the amenities in these stations are a lot better
Great overview. I'm impressed that you have footage of so much of the network!
Please upgrade your microphone, it's very difficult to hear what you are saying.
Thanks, will keep working on audio quality!
The issue isn't the microphone it's the echoey room. Need to hang up more soft stuff like sheets to reduce reverb
One thing that’s really good here is that Canada hasn’t been among the countries with no rail transit in its capital. Better yet it’s nothing short of great how Ontario can boast more rail transit than any other province. Ottawa is going to beat Edmonton and Calgary to the punch in getting rail transit to its airport and Montreal is going in as well.
soon every large canadian city will have a DIRECT airport link. (no newark your uncovered outdoor plank of wood that requires a ride on the airport people mover doesn’t count)
Fairly well made video. Interesting how the road sections are filmed, it’s so high. Is the camera on top on an rv?
Do you have any contacts with the powers that be that may include bike storage at each station? Is there any high density housing to be built near each station?
OC Transpo has a lot of double decker buses which helped get road shots. I'll talk to then about bike parking, all stations are zoned for high density development
Can't wait for moodie to open. Its gonna help alot of people who work at NDHQ
When will the network be fully double-tracked?
probably not, Line 2 relies on an old freight rail tunnel to cross under dow's lake, which is why the frequency can't be better than every 12m. It's the only remaining single-track section north of south keys station. line 1&3 are fully double-tracked.
@@yukairayou can double track almost every segment and just have switches at either of the tunnel and have proper communication signalling to do so. It will be a bottleneck for sure but can drastically increase frequency
@@yukaira Can the freight tunnel be widened?
A generation or two, if ever. We have already seen that Line 2 had to close for over 4.5 years with few upgrades to the original section and no time savings or frequency improvements resulting. How can the line be double tracked without another substantial closure? Will the public tolerate this? I doubt it. The replacement bus service for the last 4.5 years has been horrible.
@@lovehandr In theory a second tunnel could be built under Dow's Lake but it would be a very expensive undertaking.
I would like to point out that there is no plan to improve frequency on connecting suburban bus routes. In fact, there will be many routes that bus routes will have reduced frequency, as currently planned and to be implemented in April 2025. OC made the same mistake when Line 1 opened in 2019 and turned off a lot of transit riders. Trains are useless if the connections to local buses are awful.
Cutting bus frequency is really not good, trains have to be easy to access to get ridership!
Pretty good overview of the progress, I especially appreciate you making note of the difference it makes for passengers to have covered and heated waiting areas.
I don't know if it is just an aesthetic decision about the purpose of the video, but this seems lacking in reporting on the series of mistakes and failures our government has made along the way. Using the wrong materials to build tunnels, causing massive delays; contracting terrible construction companies on the cheap, like Rideau Transit Group (who are still being sued for failing to meet deadlines) and SNC Lavalin (who failed to meet the minimum technical score for the bidding process not just once, but twice [they were awarded the contract anyway through a loophole]); spending cuts from the provincial government putting the city's transit budget on life support... these expansions have been a logistical nightmare.
Slightly off-topic, it never ceases to amaze me how boring and/or ugly our city is. Public transportation is improved by having unique buildings and distinctive architecture to look at as you ride. Everything is either a block of concrete or a tower of windows. There's no colour, no interesting designs. We seriously need to develop a new artistic culture in our city planning and urban development processes.
I avoided most of those issues because I'm not from the area and don't have enough knowledge to talk about it in the video. I also try to keep videos more positive, however if a project has issues I try to bring them up if I know enough about them
@@transitthinker Gotcha, that makes sense.
The visuals are quite good - but I think the voice over recording quality could be a lot better. Perhaps you need a new microphone - or a way to prevent it picking up some much echo?
Working on ways to improve audio going forward, definitely trickier than visuals though!
Line 1: The Little Engine that Can't.
there hasn't been an unplanned closure of line 1 in over 6 months.
@@yukaira My favourite was April 2024, middle of exams, and the train was shut down at St-Laurent station. The replacement bus was so late that I decided to just run back to my car and drive into uni to just barely make it to my exam on time. I'm glad to hear it hasn't had problems sice then by the soudns of it.
45 more reasons for the OH NO Transpo to shit the bed.
Why are you even watching if you're so jaded?