The Sad Truth About WoW Today
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- WoW desperately needs a Reset. This is a wake-up call to Blizzard
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Why don't you go with Black Whisper, no problems there with the PTW...
dam it looks like that server is already dead lol
VanCleef’s story in vanilla WoW was actually super cool. He was basically fighting for the owed wages the stonemasons never received during the construction of Stormwind. A true man of the people.
Ironic characters people can related to, even he didn’t get paid he still finish the job. Vancleef is the real man.
And then they retconned it into being that while the council refused to pay him, the king offered to, but he refused out of pride and was simply a bad guy.
Oh yes, because employers are not people...
Yeah a true hero that raided innocent people's farms, murdered bunch of civilians in Elwyn, Duskwood, and Westfall.. But is all justified because Stormwind did not want to pay him. I mean, if my boss doesn't want to pay me, i'll totaly go raid my neigbor's house, and people will call me a hero !
@@midgetydeath Nice, I didn’t know that. I was referencing from reading the quests while playing through Classic and apparently forgot some important details.
the fact that when he logged in after 10mins he wasn't swarmed just circling a town speaks volumes to me.
because the game is almost completely instanced
@@laoch5658 and dead
But it’s not 😂
@@Gamefailtelevision It isn't dead, lol. Stop exaggerating.
Its rapidly approaching dead status though... remember, if people believe your game is dead.. they wont want to start as new players... no new players, eventually attrition will end it
WoW was a social network before we really had much social networks. The reason we can't have that emotional experience anymore isn't just because the game lost its touch (which is definitely has), but the sole reason it was such a phenomenon was because it was a virtual social hub with a side of fantasy rpg. WoW was just in the right place at the right time. I will miss those days
so true
its impossible to go back peoples minds are on owning things now
Completely agree, I still play it, probably will on and off forever
Will switch to private realms eventually if they don’t remove the sub or reduce it, not worth the money anymore especially when xpacs are so much
Not true because I no lifed classic after 20 years yet again as a 38 year old dad I had the same fun, enjoyment and made a hundred friends again, as I did when I was 20.
It's just that the classic game is more simple, straightforward, fun and engaging than the bloated mess called retail.
Never thought about it this way but you're so right!
"World of warcraft died when it stopped being about big sweaty men beating each other up and the girls boobs stopped being big"
based
Hell yea brother, the peak of Warcraft lore was when Cairne met Thrall in Warcraft 3 and they decided they were gonna be bosses of their own gym and they were gonna beat the shit out of everyone that didn't get their gym membership.
@@MelbourneArchviz this is more like a confession of a sin
I think the issue now with mmo are the instant day 1 class guides and how to be "perfect". It disassociates you from your character and becomes just a list for you to follow. Also you dont take time to grow and learn with your character anymore.
Those guides would never go away cause of content creation for $1/1k views or possible sponsors, or for just plain fun, and people can't help themselves out of curiosity to check them out. There's just so much games and stuff vying for your time, you feel the need to optimize especially on games w/out stat respec.
Also, no one would know you're looking into "guides" anyways.
I don't think that even matters all that much anymore with the way WoW drops you in. I've been leveling for the first time in forever, not using guides or anything but the way they just drop you in as the CHAMPION OF THE HORDE or whatever kills any sense of progression anyway. Like I finish my starter zone as a silly lil adventurer killing rats and then I'm instantly a demigod on a first name basis with the Warchief and I have to save the world from Thanos as a level 12 warrior.
@@jingbadatti9956 as you said, complexity doesn’t equal quality. Its hard to keep to keep the same level of interest when EVERYTHING you do has to be some grand scale. It’s understandable for expansions overall themes and shit yet everything to small talk nowadays in games has gotta be some “end of the world conversation” yet never actually feels like it.
well, even if u max out ur character with bis talents glyphs, proffesions consumables etc... you still need to know what buttons to press and when to press them in the correct order depending on situation... u can have the best gear and still do no dmg and troll the entire raid
i SO agree and i am saying this for years..knowing everything takes the magic away... i mean...Diablo 4 is coming out these days and my youtube wall is spammed with guides and "BEST LOLOLOL" for weeks! It´s disgusting
IMO, the current state of WoW is exactly what happens when a developer tries to please everyone instead of sticking to what made them great in the first place. This video made me grateful for all the years growing up of playing Vanilla-Cataclysm.
Not really. Blizzard dialed back ALOT this expansion on the mechanics. The game is alot simplier in terms of what you need to do once you cap. At the same time, you have the the fact that MMORPG simply isn´t that overly popular that it was 15 years ago. Back during 2004-2010 WoW was a massive phenomenon because there weren´t any real alternatives and the genre was super popular.
Now-a-days you have the league of legends, fortnites etc that draw alot of players.
I do believe, that If blizzard keeps making the game simpler moving foward it might be enough to draw more people, however I agree that right now the game seems hollow.
@@dante93nero mmorpg are still popular, more popular than some think, thing is wow didnt aged well at all, plus blizzards fuck ups didnt helped. The context around wow isnt just the same as it was during 2000's and up. The same reason as to why a lot of things that give us nostalgia and were the best of our times around those times, wouldnt work anymore nowadays.
And wow didnt adapted correctly to nowadays standards and what people look for or enjoy. It lacks modernity in less words. Bdo for example (Though it isnt for anyones taste) has done this absolutely perfectly over the years, even more now with that new expansion they released which pretty much fixed everything that bdo had on its bad side and adapted correctly to nowadays market.
Wow sadly didnt aged well at all...
Vanilla burning crusade here on Mannoroth horde rogue
mmos arent popualr?
wow has 128 million active accounts rn. almost 2 million daily players too...
and i guess ff14's 21.5+ million current and active players dont exist either...
i want whatever youre smoking pal cause DAMN its some good shit.
I kind of think retail wow should remain fast paced and fairly complicated, just so that it can contrast the classic versions that are also available. I mean, if it all was the same there would be less options for people.
I think retail is pretty good, albeit maybe the whole gearing system with sparks, crests, elemental overflow, flighstones, storm sigils, etc. could be simplified.
You know you see Asmon flying around in Stormwind constantly, he's venting.
@@itsyaboiherman yes
Classic is nice because you start as a nobody and as you level you truly feel like your character is developing. The fact that you’re a random citizen of your capitol city who is now forced to get stronger by fighting wolves, raptors, panthers, etc. Every piece of gear makes you truly feel like you’re growing in power. And eventually you get strong enough to take on monsters, elemental lords, dragons, and more. It’s true rpg.
Retail starts you as a god. Being able to pull 20 mobs and wreck them easily. You get everything handed to you. There’s no reason for community. BOA gear makes obtained gear feel like nothing. You get a free mount right off the bat. No true rpg elements imo.
So you don't play retail then because BoA gear is iLvl 398 (and that's only since 10.0.5 the catch up patch) meanwhile high-end M+ / Mythic raid gear is iLvl 418.
They literally start calling you hero and champion at level 10 once you finish the tutorial and talk to Anduin lol
Try mortal online 2 if you want that oldschool mmorpg feeling back.
@@majkatrojedjece6585 Classic HC already got me in its sights
My characters in retail have been killing gods since classic so its not that far off theyd treat my characters as heros of the world...
The Classic Era is more fun for me and my friends. You just feel like a real adventurer. You slowly work your way up, step by step, and you also prepare for adventures (buying firewood, potions and other things). I just feel more like a regular adventurer doing normal murder hobo stuff!
Yeah, I’m a new player and I felt no progress or achivement in retail. Leveling up is ridicously easy and you’re given so much free. I personally like the classic era more, it feels more like an adventure as you said.
“Murder hobo stuff” great description
yeah, cause you arent buying all the stuff in retail... trololol.
You guys are just living in the past.
Naa youre just okay with wow becoming a totally different game.
What I enjoy from vanilla wow is the journey it took me to level my character up and getting to know all these areas, that was the most fun for me. I play retail until the story is done and then I basically quit. I wish they added more world content and by this I do not mean worldwuests but just more areas, more exploration. Getting a random green from opening a chest or killing a rare man, that was so good. Currently in wow you just get bombarded with blue and purple items for just talking to npcs, it is boring leveling is so fucking easy.
Well part of the problem is that some players are paying for boost or coming into the expansion with crappy gear while others have full mythic set from the previous raid. Hard to balance an experience when that's the case.
The experience you have playing the game expresses to me, that you are one person playing the game, a loner. MMO's are based on the players who want to experience the game with others, who may share the same interests. Let me tell you something, you can not make everyone happy, long enough, in the game. My fun in the game is experiencing the game with others who share the same goals as I do. I know I can play alongside these individuals; because they are great people to be around with. As a leader of a guild, you have to decide what to do with the time that is given to you to do, for them. Finding good players is easy. Getting them to communicate, coordinate, collaborate & work together as a team through some team speaking app, is the challenge. No matter what happens, what pain we face, and in death, the Wheel keeps turning. Always.
Sad will be the day when every man is absolutely content with the life that he is living, with the thoughts that he is thinking, with the deeds that he is doing. When there is not forever beating at the doors of his soul some great desire to do something larger, which that he was meant and made to do.
@@Darthmerl77 wtf man I joined a guild and talked to people while leveling I simply enjoy the exploration more than the raids.
They diverted resources, tried to make people play in a certain way. Then they screwed PvP, gave raids goofy mechanics, turned all dungeons into speed runs. Basically said FU to a large portion of their player base who want to play for fun.
I always say Vanilla, at it's core, was a sandbox pvp game.
My main experience with wow was on a private server, when I came to retail from that, I honestly got disappointed. Even though the scripting of the bosses and everything was much better and everything worked properly. It didn't give me that feeling that my actions were recognized or even mattered on the server. On that private server I was playing on, you could make a name for yourself, especially when it came to pvp. And Alliance and Horde were beefing 24/7 always fighting each other over turfs or invading the main cities. You could literally organize raids by yourself with random people without being in a guild, and you could also organize pvp parties with no problems. Not to mention that there were always discussions on the forums about who's the best hunter or warlock or tank on the server etc. When I came to retail everything kind of felt lifeless. Instead of talking with people before partying up, you had dungeon finders and stuff that would automatically pair you up, no talking needed, it's just weird man.
You're basically saying you don't like a game because too many people are playing it. It's a really toxic, self defeating mentality that cuts any game off at the knees.
@@ZachStachelski13 I mean games were super popular before too and you could still have an identity inside them back then. It's just that it went from a community controlled environment into a thing controlled by a massive system. Instead of being a valued member in your community, you're now just a cog inside a huge machine, same thing is happening in real life as well. Smaller segmented portions of people can govern themselves way easier than a big one can govern all the people at once.
@@ZachStachelski13 Nah,he's right.People on private servers even with 12k pop are somewhat close and the guilds are helping each other.It's pretty much easy to be known if you're any good.People actually stream private servers and the server pop is usually watching.People on private servers have to actually communicate with each other.
I just came back to retail from years of wotlk and i'm disappointed to find an empty world on a full server.
Imagine a version of WoW that has the adventure/leveling, community and RPG feel of Classic, and the endgame of Retail.
I’ve been thinking this way since they announced the comeback of classic. Vanilla with todays graphics and some good features would be the best mmo
@@networknomad5600 no, like a beautiful game like Dragonflight. Wotlk is ugly lol.
@@networknomad5600 No, Wotlk feels much more like retail than Vanilla. Already in Wrath they nerfed leveling hard, just making it a chore, and the dungeons are snoozefest, normal raids being easy etc. etc. It's just a worse version of retail.
retail endgame is like looking at a piece of white paper without any text, its boring, predictable, gated and yeah BORING
@@Kern361 In retail it feels like an unnecessary chore and a time waste; not sure why they even have it. In Vanila it's part of the game; also it's a reason Vanilla has HC and retail does not.
Best word for it, bloated, it's super overwhelming.
I really think classic WoW also does one big thing for its community. It localizes it. You build relationships with people on the server because they're all you have; you don't pick people from a list from other servers and go do something.
Sure, you might get a 'friend' out of that, but its rare to build a friendship because you only interact with them on an activity to activity basis.
Doesn't matter if you're getting reported and banned for being social in a social game.
When you have 20k people on your server, does it matter that you can't meet people from other servers? I played TBC classic on a relatively small server and still I rarely saw the same person twice. I interacted mainly with my guild, just like in retail. So "community" and "relationship building" in classic wow are just words.
idk what you're talking about bro. I literally see the exact same people in Valdrakken on my server all the time.
thats so wrong...
I never talked to anyone in the game.
8:14 "there's some pirates over there, why don't you kill em.. why you gotta kill em? well wtf are they doing over there" This guy is a fckn legend XD
His idea about changing the dungeon quest xp is really good. Could also add a daily quest to queue up for dungeons like in FFXIV that matches you with a group that has one member that's doing it for the quest.
I think dont change anything, but just have it so doing a dungeon gets you saved for 3 days like ZG.
That's something I love about FFXIV. Rewards veteran players for playing with newer players in old content.
The only downside I can see is less people will play dungeon so it can be harder to find group for a new people. But it needs to be tested to be sure.
@@Noobie2k7 "I mean doesn't WoW already have daily rewards for queueing random dungeons?" No. It doesn't.
Lol
You described it perfectly… way too fast and way too over designed. And the leveling aspect is way too easy and fast. You can still die in 1.5 seconds in pvp. And there’s just way too many abilities for most classes now. Sometimes less is more and that’s exactly why people are still playing classic.
All my friends including myself think that today's WoW is just a clown fiesta, Getting closer to those korean games.
@deez3063 so you cant handle the speed of the game? sounds like a personal skill issue lol
Seeing WoW and hearing the music again after not playing since Legion makes me emotional. Its like hearing the SWG music.
I'll never forget Staff of Jordan dropping from a Bloodsail Raider in Stranglethorn vale on my priest. I understood then how Gollum felt.
Tbh I love WoW for the leveling experience, like running around different locations, listening to all different ambiences, it's wonderful. And I feel like they simply overcomplicate that as well. What I'd like is the simple experience of that mighty adventure, learning about lore, doing dangeons throughout all expansions, I want to explore Azeroth and Outland.
exactly. made a rogue troll. had the best time of my life just exploring kalimdoor (i think thats what its called idk honestly lol)
i f!%king 100% every single area. collected every quest mount pet ect.
wow is AMAZING in the low levels. the art, music, quests. thays all you need.
nope. gotta squeeze that cash just cannot be satisfied with being multi millionaires.
meters on top of currencies on top of skill trees that u lock more meters trees and currencies.
once i hit that godawful green alien ship goop dark elf with giant glaives expansion whatever the f!%k its called and i was ASSUALTED with several meters and currencies and timed quests i was like nah bro im good.
havent been back
will never be back
waste of time
True story. I started a brand new character in retail, with the aim of playing without heirlooms. Just as a new player would. Troll hunter. Got to level 10 very quickly and entered my first dungeon. This was hilariously bad. Even as a hunter I couldn't get a shot off without everything being dead. I was looting and running to catch up but they were one shotting everything.
Imagine someone new to WoW encountering this in a dungeon.
a truly new player would just run around in the world, kill mobs and do quests, before even finding the dungeon finder icon...
@nimmha6708 A new player gets tutorial pop ups showing you exactly where it is on the UI..
I can't even tell you how OG of a massive Blizzard fan I was... the Blizzard I knew died many many years ago when Activision got involved
When was this golden age taking place then?
Vanilla - wrath
Activision has been involved with Blizzard a lot longer than people think.
To me my biggest problem is how sweaty most people feel in retail. Even heroic dungeons, people will rage over the smallest mistake and insta kick players, and at this point I dont think that's changing.
The game presents itself as a welcoming and accessible game but the reality is that it is sweatier, more complex and more tryhard focused than it ever has been. Playing WoW as a casual sucks now.
@@Kings_Crossing Well that's the community's fault tbh
It's a sign. Quit the game😂 best thing i ever did.. trust me bro
if you make a mistake in heroic dungeons you shouldn't play this game facts
True! Heroics is just too easy. If u fuck up a mechanic there, wow is not for you
I stoped playing WoW after I made KSM in Dragonflight. A lot of wasted time in dungeons over +15 where dps pugs werent capable of paying attention at the affixes... Or tanks pulling way to much on fortified or bursting.. way to hard for most of them...
In my opinion the game is really to complicated for no reason. If you are a new player and you log to WoW, you get overwhelmmed and you lose your desire to play. See the profession system for example, there is no need to be that complicated. Make the WoW simple again, so everyone can enjoy playing it without having to search wowhead, icy veins etc for everything that he does in game. Make it again simple, make it again fun.
I’m a new player, so I can’t connect to what it used to be. 39 yrs old, 2 kids etc etc. I love the content, Raid, AOTC, KSM, pushing keys, all the shit, it’s awesome. And I love there’s 20 years of old shit I can go and do on the side with people I’ve met that have played from the start.
Rest in peace wow.
WoW has between 900k and 1.65 million daily logins. How is WoW even remotely dead?
2004-2023 Here lies Activision-Blizzard, ran by a Clown CEO whose shoes and jacket are far too big for him.
WoW used to be more about the shared experience, the community, and engaging with content for the sake of others as well as yourself.
Now, the game is just an anti-social mobile app with a store front, a shitty community, and an overwhelming focus on competitive gameplay. This promotes animosity, tears social cohesion apart, and makes the game ripe for toxic takeover. Its fucking sad, what WoW has become.
15:00 Exactly this. I hope to God they do this. They need to spice things up for all the people spamming multiple hardcore chars learning and mapping all the safe and best paths. It takes the thrill out of it. Ignite the MMO and change the mob pathing - add a few random elite rares around the world and buff the mobs like Asmon said so the people expecting it to be the same classic to be reintroduced to the true classic hardcore. They could make it feel like a whole new world which is the most important aspect for an MMO. It could ignite a whole new genre of WoW if they do it right. Don't just copy off the players add and build off it - billion dollar franchise after all.
Make the dungeons so hard (with rewards ofc) that people don't dare to go into it again to spam it. Maybe there gear gets damaged in the process of a full dungeon etc.
Dragonflight felts like a sport, while Classic -> MoP was very chill to play
@@jeremyknight1927 yes of corse i hadnt 1000 affixes and no reason for min max
I never played WoW as a child or in my schooldays, but i recently started playing WoW classic/retail and i feel like everything in retail is pointless, all the crafting mechanics and and every addon besides the latest ones is utterly useless, retail makes me feel like im actually working an boring job lol. So i played classic vanilla WoW and it was an absolute blast, it was hard and extremely fun because every crafted gear every step you do makes an difference, even the elite mob goblin can clap you and the first dungeon felt like an adventure and not like an boring hack n' slash.
i dont like classic cause leveling takes to much time and dg and raids have to few mechanics, you can stand idle on 75% of fight and press 3 buttons to kill the boss, as a retail mythic raider, classic is too slow for me, maybe when i become 50 i might try classic.
It is very subjective. Majority of the people prefer Classic because they played it as kids, and I understand that. I personally like Retail. I like farming gear and doing M+ and raids. There is a competitive aspect. Some people like that, some like to just adventure.
@@samuel9294 Raiding in general sucks. Who wants to keep wiping because one idiot doesn't know how to do the mechanics in a group of 40. Raiding was never the focus of classic WoW and it shows. Most players never even stepped foot into Molten Core.
@@ZachStachelski13 Raiding is what keeps retail and classic alive, withou raid and dgs people would die out of boredom playing, most players didnt even step on molten core becausa they are casuals who have trouble even getting to 60, in the past that was the case, now that people know what to do in classic it became way easier to do everything.
"Raiding sucks in general sucks" is a very very niche opinion and it far from what the general public thinks.
Dragonflight 40% off after this video, lmao
Leveling overall in the older mmos was a journey itself.
It took you far too long for you guys to admit it.
Im only 25 and I hate how the tone is now rainbows and twinky lizards.
WoW has lost its base. It’s players. Nobody even talks in game anymore. It’s kind of sad to see 😔
I agree with asmon on dungeon xp. My opinion is that you should grind dungeons for the loot and only for loot. Giving 3x more xp from dung quest is also good idea since they are so scattered and you actually have to collect them and for the most do a questline for them.
12:47
I've had more fun leveling in Everquest and SWTOR than I ever had in WoW. This doesn't mean WoW leveling is bad. It just means that people have various opinions from a lifetime of different experiences. It's not healthy to dwell on what's lost or what could have been just enjoy what you can when you can and move on from things that don't make you happy.
Yeah you can tell that blizzard hires people of twitter
Asmon is basically the creepy ex boyfriend who actively stalks and criticizes his former lover (WoW) who is clearly doing better without him.
Idk how u got the "doing better without him part" not saying he's the reason but wows decline is getting worse
I tried dragonflight recently after having left the game at the start of bfa. I revived my old DK that I hadn't played since cata. Man, it really is overwhelming, even for someone who used to play the game a lot. I can definitely see how some new players who just get the character boost are completely put off.
Been playing Turtle WoW, not sure how long I will play, but so far it is a solid experience. The starter areas are flooded like its 2003!
I've been playing turtle off and on for about a year now. The developers seem to really care and they do listen to the community as well.
It has become slightly more toxic recently with the influx of players but it feels great to quest and level.
@@Only1Tobius It's not toxic compared to the other PS i've played upon. Although warmode & HC does encourage assholes to play there.
Everybody (including Asmon) complained sooo much in Shadowlands because of all the extra stuff you had to do to raid, m+, etc.. (IE: conduits, soulbinds, and legendaries). Now, in Dragonflight, all of that is removed and yet still complaining about there being too much... lol.
Good Takes imo. Listening about hairy man got me thinking:
DK in Cata is so much better than Retail:
1) You have snapshotting, meaning cool decision-making mid-fight;
2) You have a lack of resources even being geared, meaning making decisions mid-fight.
The DK in retail is a joke. Yes it looks cool, but
1) No decision-making what-so-ever.
2) Overflooded with resources for no particular reason.
3) In Dragonflight I couldn't take half my toolkit cuz some genious at Blizz decided that's a good Idea. For example, no Epidemic. In War Within they freaking left us without an interrupt (in PvE) for zero reason.
4) I really wanna see this person who invented Breath playstyle. Same goes for unholy AOEing while standing in death of decay. Man, are you okay, dude?
>>> DK in Cata feels miles ahead in terms of satisfactory gameplay. I was contemplating maybe I'm that old guy, but no, it's just not a very good design.
The good things are:
- Death Advanes makes you immune to throw-backs. Very unique and tematically interesting.
- Apocalypse is cool.
Been playing DK since inception, cutting edge PvE and PvP glad.
If 100% of the players wanted Blizzard to fix something, Blizzard would look another way and present another mount you could pay for at high prize, thinking they did something good.
Holy shit I fucking lost it at the part about Thrall building a gym called The Horde. 😂
Rolling a new character and leveling to ~30/40 in classic is where I have my most fun in wow lately
I played classic first in 2019, never played retail before. I loved it so much by the end I was a sweaty raider in a guild that speedrun nax in like 90min. Tried retail and it felt souless like it was a cheap knockoff or something
11:00 - It's not just nostalgia for "the way things used to be."
A lot of older MMORPG games, perhaps World of Warcraft most of all, had a fundamental change in design philosophy that affected new and old players alike.
In making the game too easy to grow in and too easy to attain max level, game developers made it too difficult to "get into."
Or maybe better stated a different way: in making it so easy to level up and hit max level, game developers made it too difficult to care about your character and the world that you're supposed to feel a part of.
So, when you hit max level in Classic WoW, you feel like you did back in the day when you hit max level. It took time. It took patience. It took cooperation with other plays. You had to learn, and grow, and figure things out. You were challenged. Other players helped you out, and you helped them out. You got to feel a part of a larger world, meet more characters, hear more tails of the legendary lore characters of the game, and so on. In modern WoW, you can get from 1-60 or even 1-70 in just a couple of days as a new player. And you'll be referred to be all sorts of titles along the way: "Champion," "Maw Walker," or even simply "hero." But it all feels hollow, because you never accomplished anything, and you never really felt like you were a part of the world over those 50, 60, 70 levels.
In Vanilla, TBC, and Wrath Classic, I went through dozens and dozens of different regions, towns, cities, and dungeons just to get to level 50, another several to get to level 60, another several to get to level 70. And I felt like I was in a 'real' living world, that my character's actions and growth mattered, and that the people I met/helped along the way were a part of this story too.
I don't give a damn about my modern WoW characters, because they're just sitting at max level having not really done anything except for just my first character. And even then, I only marginally feel more a part of the world. (Having started in BFA content right as Shadowlands launched as a new WoW player.)
Auction house was such a good part of classic WoW . Checking your mailbox was exciting . You loved to see the icon . You also loved to get random drops . It was so much fun .
Summed it up so well. My friends and I agree 100%, we wanted to love WoW, but its just not fun.
I think the new story with wrathion is pretty good. I really like him as a character. He’s not perfect, but his heart is in the right place
I totally disagreed! That's the pussy shit he's talking about. If Wrathion wants to be the leader, he has to take the throne and say he's in charge! If someelse disagree, then challenge him in a Duel! The survivor is the BOSS! Is that what we have in the game?? No! We have people talking, talking, talking, trying to be nice and more talking, and more feelings, and more talking...
i read the books about the 2nd war and beyond the dark portal and i agree, the lore vibe was totally different, Anduin lothar was a hard hitting muscle hairy man, dannat trollbane was a badass too, kurdran, grommash, orgrim, edwin vancleef, everyone of them were warriors outside the beauty standars, i mean, see how even khadgar is handsome in retail and in the book he was an old looking 17 years old dude LOL
Body type 1, 2 thats what it is.
Asmon is finally saying what so many of us have been feeling for years. I know he always shits on retail but this is a different tone.
Wow being girly is the truest one, that's what made me lose interest ngl, just lack of badassery in the game and it turning into a generic "co existence and anti racism" story.
No character is badass anymore
Idk about that, fyrakk is badass.
@@idkdontask7142 WoW being girly? lol
@@igorjurdana1311 It's actually somewhat true. All people do nowadays (the ones that aren't raiding hardcore) is farming transmog items, mounts and pets.
@@ANTERIORcs that's not inherently girly at all.
Classic WoW really felt like an adventure it also forced you to interact with other people, both Horde and Alliance in a way that really emphasized the MMO part of MMORPG. You spent most of the time walking until you got a regular mount at 40, but even then it forced you to actually interact with the world rather than just flying over it. Quests were difficult, leveling was SLOW, STV was a nightmare of ganking plus the size meant that especially at lower levels you often died making it feel exciting. Later WoW felt like an RPG that happened to have an online component. They speed leveled you through so all previous content and zones became obsolete, they added a ridiculous amount of races, mounts, armor, etc. etc. Before it felt exciting and like an adventure last time I played it felt goofy and lonely.
yeah its just an arcade game now
It's not Nostalgia talking, I recently went and played to 60 on Turtle. Truly enjoyable experience.
Shortcuts is what happened to WoW. Shortcuts to leveling, to making gold, to complete raids/dungeons, to finding groups, to traveling the world. I think thats the main problem. You must have to invest the time to achieve things was the heart and soul of WoW which was destroyed by shortcuts.
I think in retail,they are messing us up too much with those time resets,seasonal fomo, weird rng and all kinds of stuff that often both push is into playing alts (but also punish us for it). Way overdeveloped indeed and Im not even sure Blizzard benefit from putting such effort into it.
I never played wow , but need to say, music is epic asf, especially when i hear the choir in a song i have goosebumps. Awesome work
Visuals and music has always been one of the strong points of wow.
Even Shadowlands, an expansion that lots of people hate with burning passion have to admit that it had some nice visuals and music etc..
3:41 is pretty much the reason why I left WoW. Raids or M+ can be simple, not overly convoluted with mechanics but can still be fun just like on older expansions but instead we are bombarded with one-shot mechanics with purple circles on purple floors.
Honestly don't think I would bother with raiding or m+ if it wasn't challenging. That is what classic is for...
WoW is circling the drain, which is fantastic. They earned it.
I just dont understand the "Bloat" comment. Like People bitched about not enough content. Then they add a bunch of content and we call it bloat.
its so sad seeing wow like this its like seeing your highschool best friend doing bad years later
@@Popikaify DF is mid
Not bad but also not the second coming of Christ expansion as many chills like to call it
This shit is terrible lol. I literally dont see anybody doing anything other than standing in valdrakken. Sure youll see the occasional player doing dailys but outside of that their sitting in lfg in valdrakken doing nothing. All past content is 100% irrelevant as well as all lore that went with it. Wow is just a speedrun game now meant for instant gratification. They arent fixing core issues and players are leaving in droves from my own experience I played retail 2 weeks ago and got rival from grinding conquest points LOL in under 3 days. Go play a wotlk server and youll see players in each zone, dungeon groups lfm tons of raid groups, wpvp and actual guilds and short bg ques and intense arena matches. Retail Wow as it is dead and its current state is the corpse they keep dragging around for money. No matter how many times they try to do cpr its still dead lol. Wow classic came from popular demand because it has all the aspects of a good game. Retail? Is literally garbage they put money into hoping it wont look like garbage anymore.
I just want a WoW remake.
I want Vanilla gameplay and story with retail's graphics and effects.
Just played my last dungeon.
Tank rushing as fast as they can and couldnt keep up. Trailing mobs to attack the party. Almost dieing repeatedly because haler is left behind. I couldnt keep up to dps, just bits and pieces. It wasnt fun at all. We were all rushing the dungeon so we could rush to 70 and do whatever. Its not fun anymore.
Im "woke" but i agree. Theres beauty in simplicity and it gave wow the vibe it had. Night elves were basically eco terrorists. Orcs were manly war boys. Humans had human things... dwarves were political burly buildy miner boys. The races had their own agenda and philosophy clearly displayed in their design and place in warcraft. Its homogenous to a point of nausea now.
It's corporate woke. Like some of the stories are okish - I like the Dragons doing research together I guess, but it feels too safe and perfect and the art style too Disney. It's far passed its rock and roll/metal album cover roots that I loved. Diverse relationships can exist in that setting, fuck look at Pathfinders setting Golarion for inspiration. Now it just feels kinda lame : /
Need a counter for "big hairy sweaty man"
Funny the comparation between WoW and Honkai when the later is much more w0-k3 than WoW will ever be.
It's just "hidden" at first sight, but if you read a little, you discover that 95% of the waifus in the lore are lesbians with harems and/or in some poli relationships LUL
Jack Black's Kung Fu Panda island adventure marked the beginning of the end for me.
We've come entirely too far from classic western RPG tropes.. elven archers, dwarven warriors.. WoW is unrecognizable.
Agree with some of his points but also some of it sounds like a skill issue. My biggest problem is the whole dogsh*t Disney theme its going towards
2:28 Asmon, I relate too much to what you say here. I've always been a WoW fan, probably since I was a kid, but never had the money or the courage to join the community. When Corona hit, I had nothing better to do than try WoW (I've played it before on various private servers, but didn't feel like it should) so I took a shot to try retail. My first impression was out of words, couldn't even grasp the huge world that I had yet to experience catching up with the previous years I was playing on private servers. I played for approximately 2 years until I got burnt out. I'm almost in my 30s with a white-collar job and a wife, I do game from time to time, but what you mentioned there about being fast-paced, complicated, and getting more and more difficult is what hit deep into my heart. It's been over a month since my sub expired and I decided not to continue, at least for now. My pleasure it's to enjoy every single bit of existing pixels, but I feel rushed up, forced by the masses to hit the end game and be part of the elite (which I never intended to nor tried). I will compare here two other games that I play on a regular basis, Modern Warfare 2 and Hell Let Loose. One it's a fast-paced, energy-draining shooter, and the other one it's a strategic WW2 simulator that requires tactics and patience. There you have it, retail vs classic. Maybe for some people, the new patches lack activities or content, but for me, they're way too fast dropped and by the time I get to enjoy some new mechanics, they're already obsolete and I'm 2 updates behind already. Make this game more enjoyable by taking away the dumb-down mechanism. (Yada-yada, go play classic, yada-yada) Really want to play Dragonflight with less complicated tricks, that's just it.
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I started playing on MoP, just changed to vanilla hardcore, so no nostalgia bias.
Here are my reasons why classic is better:
1) World seems more organic. You do not see every man and his dog carrying ashbringer around (like in legion).
2) It is harder. Leveling is a challenge and not a mindless grind.
3) Lore and gameplay are grounded. You do not see random Tyrande falling out of the sky and blue Uther running around with wings on your 3rd time saving the world this week.
4) Slower pace. It takes time to think, and not just spam 3 abilities with no cooldown while mobs around you die.
5) Later expansions became a sad parody of WoW ever since Arthas was defeated.
No more lich king ? guess what, a huge dragon appeared, and also some island with pandas.
Time travel time!
burning legion attacks again and we all get artifacts for free, to kill the sense of value just in case. Now there is nothing to strive for anymore.
Sargeras decides to stab.
Now each one of us is a choosen of Azeroth and we fight for some random crystal that is very important all of a sudden.
Next expansion: nobody cares about it, now we have a dramatic trainwreck that involves every character from WoW.
Now dragon furries.
I don’t think people realize that yes while classic is thriving, the friendly community is absolutely gone, it’s just a bunch of toxic end game players advertising gdkps plus boosting and scoffing at anyone who doesn’t have all 3 legendarys.
Who here wants to see Asmongold play FFXIV again? ☝
(And who wants to see him get mad because of comments like that?! 🤣)
Asmon finally speaking the truth about WoW instead of being a retail apologist
Some people wanna collect their 10 millionth mount as they cleave through mobs while listening to their podcast in the background after a hard day at work. Not knocking it.
I just wanna hop on a horse and venture into dangerous lands.
One game can't cater to both.
As a lifetime MMO person... I'd rather play ARPGs nowadays. MMOs aren't fun anymore, they need to go back to basics
As someone who started in cata, I don't have the nostalgia to buff up my view of classic wow. But it's still, in my opinion, the best rendition of the game that I've ever played
i must say, i tottaly agreee with big sweaty hairy man, beating the shit out of everybody... all new characters are like they escaped from pride show
Its incredible how i can log in and how at peace i feel when I am in Stormwind. This game grabbed my brain by the nuts.
I have logged into retail once in the past 9 years. I loaded up, got excited to see my toons. I mounted my Ashes of Alar, because I hadn’t seen it in years-big nostalgia trip. Then I got about ten whispers telling me to stop showing off and that I should kill myself. So I uninstalled that garbage lol
honestly , its time to put WoW out to pasture
maybe this is a bad take but i think a good version of retail wow mythic+ wouldn't be needed.
you do normal dungeons, heroic dungeons and then raids. i feel like thats how the progression system should work. it feels more natural.
you shouldn't get better gear from dungeons than from raids. with a few exceptions maybe like a trinket or one armor piece.
and dont get me wrong mythic+ can be absolutely enyojable. but it kinda destroys the natural progression.
The downfall of wow started 15 years ago around Wrath of the Lich King
Ive been saying it for years... make WoW 2. Kill Azeroth with that giant sword in Silithis thats been there for 5 years now and let us remake the Horde vs. Alliance storyline on a new planet. We all go to a new planet and just fight for territory to survive. Take us back to Vanilla with better graphics
Dragonflight might as well have been written by Disney with how safe it is, massive tonal shift from what Warcraft is supposed to be.
I think that was the point, after Shadowlands and the back last that got I think they wanted something simple for Dragonflight to make it like a fresh start again. And it seems to have worked as the expansion as been really well received from what I’ve seen.
Why do people pretend WoW was this dark gritty story the entire time? It wasn't, it certainly wasn't ever since WoW launched in 2004. DF story telling is pretty well done, especially compared to the previous few installments.
@@Halikarz31 Bro, the Undead were capturing humans in Tirisfal and infecting them with plague. Just stop with this 'we were always good guys" shit. Stormwind asks you to take out Van Cleef, a guy who wanted payment for the work he and his men did. It was always tonally grey. The tone shifted around 2009/10 with WOTLK.
@@Halikarz31 huh? Have you ever paid attention to the quest texts? Do you read the quests? Most of them are pretty dark, and youre frequently cutting heads off mobs to bring back to someone. No one is saying its a super dark story, like diablo or something, but to pretend like the tone is not completely different in modern wow is just ignorant.
@@Halikarz31 It wasn't dark and gritty (a tiny bit but not much). But it wasn't overtly queer either.
i disagree with a lot of what he said. DF is the best expansion to date. The mythic affix tweaks going to make S2 mythic plus a lot more enjoyable and what was annoying is gone (for the most part) the Raid fights in vault were not very difficult IMO and had decent encounter design. Dragon riding is fucking awesome. Im used to having it so much that NOT having it going to old world feels bad but I see this as a permanent feature by the time DF is over. I did not do PVP so I can't speak for it but the story and questing all felt nice/fun. I have time for few hours each night so maybe not playing 8h/day is preventing me from getting burned out.
Having dungeons on a cooldown could work too. Once a day or every 3 days might balance this too.
"Times Change" - Its not just WoW that is stale and bloated, I would say most MMOs are like this. None of them feel like they are worth putting time into. The genre as a whole is stale and uninspired.
I've been enjoying WoW more than I have the last few expansions
First i win u lose
we need hardcore modes, classic, tbc and wotlk servers, with full reset per 2 years.
Loved hearing him say what everyone's thinking about the current state of WoW.
I dont
@@haitsuken cause it´s the truth, world of furrycraft
I do enjoy the takes of someone who barely cleared heroic on the state of mythic raiding.
A big part of it, then there was no social media. WoW was the de facto first social media.
WoW needs another Cataclysm to reset the game and go into something new
Wow 2 please I beg of you.