Can It Go 270? | 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E Range Test
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- When Ford released the range figures on the Mach-E, some started scratching their head. How is it that the Mach E, with 88kWh of energy on tap got a lower rating than a Model Y? This begs the question: How far can it really go? In my last test of the Model Y I managed 225 miles of range, can Ford best that?
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This episode reminded me of that Seinfeld episode where Cramer drives the Saab to the last drop of gas😅😅
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Giddy up!
@@alz2713 thank you for the video. I miss the good old times.
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@5:42, Alex says "bump" as he literally drives over a bump. Amazing.
Intentionally, of course. >_>
Impressive results! I'll do a similar test next month with my Mach-E in Colorado with some cold temps.
I really wish they had put a heat pump in it. That seems like an unfortunate bit of cost-cutting.
Tesla only recently added a heat pump and it seems to have caused them a bunch of headaches. Plus, heat pumps are not the cure all for cold temp range.
@@MachE_VLOG Quite true. Search up "octovalve problem" for details.
@@MachE_VLOG u have beautiful wife ;) lucky you.
@@michaelrim2174 Thanks!
Wasn’t interested in this car at first, but I’m getting there. Seems like a solid electric choice. If you can swing the price.
That's probably the only good thing about it. I have a Shelby GT500 for fun and LincolnMKZ Hybrid.
Is there a better priced electric for the range?
@@BidenIsKing This car might be the best deal for an EV. I'm curious to see what the Ioniq 5 will cost in the USA.
I agree on the price part but honestly 290 miles is insane. I dont even think my little fiat gets 600km lol
It is intriguing to see so many people give the new Ford Mach E and Ford Bronco the thumbs up! Way to go Ford 👍
Rangers dope too🤐
@@jaya1000 And the Escape...
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough my 1k in stock has turned into 5k. Ford has international respect. I believe.
@@jaya1000 Oh yeah! Ford has always done well overseas.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough bronco sports are flying off the dealership lots. Cant wait til they throw a 2-3k hybrid option on all these cars. People in texas are powering their homes with hybrid f150s right now
Usually mileage ratings are extremely optimistic, good to see the Mach E easily meets the specifications.
Wow Alex I was so impressed your range test estimate lined up with the drain the battery reality so very well. It really shows you have an excellent route for that real world range test. 288 real world with fairly good weather is an excellent value. Ford has done a very nice job here.
This is the best deep-do-do video Ive seen in a while!! keep it up!!
I find it really impressive that at mostly 70mph driving the Mach E gets more than its EPA range. I typically assume EPA is more accurate if you assume you're driving 55MPH with no HVAC, because that's what it seems to mean for most cars. This is a good thing for Ford: I think most people would rather be pleasantly surprised by their range than disappointed when they wanted to drive 70 for the full 270 miles.
I really wished your lived somewhere cold and we could see how badly the range is actually affected and real world
Don’t doubt Alex. He’ll probably do some testing with it in cold weather at some point.
I will do a similar road test soon here in Colorado which goes hand in hand with cold.
"I really wished your lived somewhere cold" -- Hey, we do, it sometimes drops to 40°F here at night. // _Okay, I will show myself out now._
Really bad , I'm telling you
I live in IL and during the winter time my Honda Clarity drops over 20 miles of range , summer time gets sometimes between 51 to 53 miles range ( official range is 47 or 48 miles ) , and winter time like right now in February when is super cold outside gets between 28 and 31 miles , that's just ridiculous ( i forgot to mention that the car is always inside the garage,where the temp is between 30 to 40 F )
@@MachE_VLOG And mountains, it's crazy how elevation change kills range especially at highway speeds!
Alexxxxxxx, I've been waiting for this!!!
Interested to see how your time with this goes.
Me too!
I feel like he's gonna like it.
Funny, I saw you driving yesterday in san jose on ringwood ave/trade zone blvd! First time seeing mach e too
Great seeing roads and cities in my area on Alex's route. Thanks to the Mach E and GM Bolt, Tesla just dropped the price on their standard range models. LOL. Thanks Alex, great hear the Mustang gets better range along with just as many charging locations as the Tesla brand.
@@dchow007 Tesla gets better range lmao? It is also faster, larger interior, and there is no dedicated charging network for the mache lmao, Tesla can use both Superchargers and the chargers everyone else use. So no Bolt and Mach E will not cut into tesla sales one bit they will merely give ford and gm fans an option finally.
@@EpicLemonMusic Tesla can only use Chademo only if you have an adapter. Even then it's slow. Plus Super Chargers are getting crowded and you only get the fast speeds of you're not sharing a power line with someone next to you. Personally I rather not deal with Superchargers at this point.
Not everyone wants a faster car, or harder suspension, less comfort, and the quality is much less than the Mach E. You mostly pay for performance and some tech in a Tesla. So I'll pass.
@@EpicLemonMusic 😂 🤮🤢🍆
@@megaroeny not slower in fact faster with the included adapter that comes with the car lmao. Also I don’t know about quality yes Tesla has some issues but Ford is the king of electrical issues lmao, lastly comfort? Yeah right the model y is much nicer, best seats in luxury class, obviously best interior technology, and best HVAC system in any car as well as the cornering ability and real OTA updates. Source: Model Y owner who looked into the slightly cheaper mach e
Alex’s face with 3% battery left 😬😱 no range anxiety😂😁
225 tires are cheaper to replace
True, but reduce traction which should impact handling and braking. Hard to say whether they'll need to be replaced more often since you're concentrating more weight on a smaller surface area.
@@updlate4756 TBH, most drivers will hardly take advantage of the "performance" aspects of a wider tire so going a bit narrow was the right move to increase range.
Lol 225 is fine for none driving enthusiasts which is mostly everyone. Plus better range.
@@naughtysauce4323 Aero and weight would have been good places to increase range as well, considering how large the battery needed to be to hit this range. I have to admit I'm a bit worried what the range on the GT version with wider wheels will be for the enthusiasts.
But only slightly. The real gain was in efficiency.
Under similar condition, my Chinese made 60kwh can do 180-200 miles per charge with a little bit of safety buffer on the bottom. It seems that 88kwh with a heavier frame does not bump the range that much, 240 miles per charge is reasonable. But the price is double. So im waiting for the second gen ford ev with 100kwh package. That will worth the upgrade!
Loved this casual video with you Alex. Keep it up.
Purchased same vehicle. Mine will be delivered next month, so I'm excited to watch your upcoming reviews on MME. Thanks for pushing the range. It's good to see the real range with normal driving, although I'm a 75 MPH driver on highways.
Red IPace on the left at 10:44. Cool. EVs are really taking over 👊🏽
They're absurdly common in Alex's area. The Google and Apple parking lots are full of them (plus Porsches and BMWs).
Whoa I didn't realize you're in the Bay Area. I thought you were based in LA
He’s driven in the same roads I’ve driven on. I know most of the Bay Area highways
South Bay, specifically (the Bay Area South Bay, not the LA one). He appears to live up in the Santa Cruz Mountains.
@@markmiller3279 yup. I grew up in Fremont but I lived in San Jose for 5 years. Interestingly his office is only 10 mins away. He’s right off Capitol ave and trade zone blvd iirc.
@@naveenthemachine I grew up in Fremont in the 80's. I haven't had a look around there for about 10 years. I'm in Sacramento these days.
@@RichardsWorld now I’m in NC
How much did you pay for your 25 miles of range at the fast charge station?
Good job with the math! Lots to consider. I am getting my Mach-e soon. Can't wait!
It's hard to believe, but AonA videos keep getting better and better!
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good idea the only one i seen so far was german: car maniac charging mach e against etron but quite cold outside and starting around 9% so could be differnet from 2% and higher temperature
I hope batteries are not like cellphones, is says 20%, I got out in the cold then dies to 0% within minutes lol.
Well since cell phones don’t have a thermal systems controlling temperature I would think not.
Saw one on the road the other day for the first time. Looks nice and very exciting for the EV market
Hey, I think I saw you the other day driving on Capitol Ave near Great Mall. The exact red Mach-E, I was wondering who got their hand on a Mach-E but didn’t think it was you. Great content, one of a few channel I subscribed.
Am I the only one thinks all glass roof with no option to cover is a hard deal breaker? # California Sun ☀️
@@castle6555How’s this okay? I think this is the time to say. WTF
I'm in NorCal. The glass blocks most heat transfer.
@@N7_Maric All because of people like you 🙄
I heard that glass roof makes car assembly easier. It's the last thing put on the cars in assembly line. I'm in warm climate and I don't like it myself.
@@CoralSea It’s always about money 💰
The best UV tiny comes nowhere near a solid object blocking the sun and by the way it’s not always about heat I don’t like sunlight or light in general enter the cabin!
I’m creeped out. The test drive here starts right where my house is lol.... It was going so fast but I knew the entire route you were driving
Great job Alex. Keep up the great job.
Fast forwarding to the end gets u everything u need to know and only spend a few minutes! 👍🏻
Oh man...This will be the deadliest crowd-killer! No 5.0 to warn everyone anymore :D.
Tesla is so done. Tesla is already slashing the prices on their cars because nobody wants to buy them anymore. Deposits are being cancelled, and there is a lot full of them ..... no buyers in site. Everyone wants the Mach E now.
not happy with the " Ipad-ish display in the center - have to take the eyes off the road in order to adjust or change the air conditioner/heater settings....bummer. was gonna buy one but this is deal breaker.
You'd be amazed how quickly you get accustomed to it. I change the common setting in my XC90 with barely a glance at the screen these days... I just know where to touch to get what I want done.
@@looncraz any amount of time spent with your eyes off the road is a disaster waiting to happen...with all the emphasis on not texting while driving...why do they NOT put controls in front of the driver...or voice activated even...we have the technology.
@@rainman7992 They are fully or mostly voice controllable, AFAICT. Haven't messed with it much, really, because I have become just as efficient with the screen as with buttons...
You take your eyes off the road for manual controls as well, just to see where they are exactly.
Synch can make all of those changes for you without touching the screen.
Some EV's are designed to only use the middle range of the battery to extend it's life. My Volt would read 100% on the display, but it really is only at 90% of the battery's capacity. When it reads zero, there is 10% left in it. This kind of scheme is how you get around people's behaviors that damage batteries.
Love your channel. One suggestion for your range test is to do a constant 70 mph test on a two way loop. Your range test has to many variables that you can otherwise eliminate such as traffic, red lights, how you accelerate and brake, hills etc.
Ford really took "under promise, over deliver" to heart on the EPA estimate. And that's great! I would rather be pleasantly surprised than expect a certain level of performance and be disappointed.
Great. This is a much better looking car than the boring Tesla Model Y. Bet it is of higher build quality too.
Just what I was hoping to see
Thank you for the great video. It confirms what others have reported (Edmunds); range figures add up to meet or exceed expectations in the MME.
I love my Ford Mustang Mach E-GT Space White and fully loaded.
Cannot wait for battery tech to improve so 500 miles per charge at highway speeds will not be an issue.
Yes. That's when I will consider electric vehicles but right now I would be scared to take a road trip with one and run out of charge
Again, great review to see on a very interesting car, my 2020 Kia Soul EV (64KWH) use the also SK batteries, without all that hash over battery issues in the Kona and Korean supplied LG batteries. I think Ford has done very well with this first real true EV build! Look forward to the plug and charge Electrified America charge session!
That's awesome. I love the conservative estimate for range. My Fiat 500e is overly optimistic which is annoying because I have to plan on less range than it says I have. But the good news at least is that the 500e will still go for at least a mile once it reads 0% (I haven't had it actually die on me even when it says it was out of battery).
The estimate might only be conservative for people living in California, where winter basically isn't a thing. For people living in, say, Wisconsin, for a good chunk of the year the estimate is probably wildly optimistic.
Did you get a lot of pointing, rubbernecking, and stares?
It did actually, 4 drivers took pictures while driving LOL
It seemed that few drivers slowed down to take a look at the Mach E. Everything in the physical world is passe in the Bay Area.
All range tests that compare to EPA results need to be performed at 55 MPH, since that is what the EPA uses for their speed test! At 55 the Mach-E AWD 4X can go 310 miles on a full charge even though it is rated at 270. Driving at 65 to 70 MPH is not a valid range test for EPA standards. Thanks for the effort.
This Mustang Mach E looks better and better. I was considering a Toyota Rav4 Prime, but now I might just pull the plug and go completely EV because of cars like this one and the upcoming Ioniq 5. BTW, you've had a lot to do with that change of mind. I've watched many of your videos over the last year and you've slowly changed my mind to go full EV. I'm currently driving a 2004 Prius (with 275,000 miles), which when I bought it brand new and fully loaded, was considered the most technically advanced highest MPG mass produced car in the world. Time for an upgrade. Thanks again for all you do to inform us, the car buying public.
In a gasoline hybrid sedan you pollute less and you can have a range of over 400 miles. Then, with a 5 minute fill up at a gas station, you can go another 400 miles provided you drink enough coffee. I once drove from Willits, California, to Tajuana Mexico in one day, so I know it is possible.
The hillbilly music doesn't do it any justice either. 😆
WTF that's like disco/funk music.
@@venom5809 I love the funk!
You and John Davis of Motorweek are the best at evaluating cars. I am surprised that you bought this car, with the Ioniq 5, ID.4, XC-40, and Nissan Ariya just around the corner. Please STOP DISTRACTED DRIVING! You were talking, looking at the camera, and entering a new destination, ALL WHILE DRIVING! Pull over, do your business, and make the world safer.
That looked like it was a fun test! Seems like a really great car and will be a good competitor to the Model Y.
What did you do about your leased Durango?
Alex I look to u first for anything pertaining to ev. I hope to see a thorough run down of the Mach-e’s battery. Especially thermal management. I live in Canada w/o a garage so keeping that battery warm and cool is my top priority. That’s why I like the bolts thermal management.
Alex,
I think these cars have capacity to reduce the 100% charge degradation and they wont kill the battery all the way either. It's software defined. What you see isn't the reality.
One aspect of where you live and are able to test electric cars is the much greater proliferation of charging stations. Probably 90% of US does not have this concentration of charging outlets, meaning not only locations but total number of electric "pumps". It will be very interesting to view this video in 20 years when charging locations are as common as fuel pumps. For now you are in EV paradise and most of the country is in EV desert. In much of US people commute in F150s, CUVs and SUVs, and it is rare to see an EV. But the change will come. It will be interesting to see how many Mach E and ID.4 are sold in my EV desert this year.
And yep, the folks going 80+ mph in Texas are not going to get 270 miles from their Mach E. 🙂🤠
I love the opening theme of this video sounds very retro..😎
another issue that might prove to be very useful, is show route planing with the Mache-e with chargers in route, on thing that my 2020 Soul EV is missing and even Android Auto I have to populat teh chargers to get google assistant to find ones along my router.
Really liking the Mach E as an alternative to the Model Y. Charger network is the deciding factor at this point. Still have to learn the ins and outs of the EV's as I'm still an ICE driver.
It's really not that hard to understand if you're truly interested.
WELL DONE FORD MO CO
Your loop looks good, hwy, country roads and city traffic. That is real world to me.
Please review charging speed. Heating and cooling cabin. Driver assist. Home charging on 240v.
looks way better than 3 and y
Im impressed. My model y never came close to my predicted range !!
Great video Alex! Really looking forward to all your tests over the next year. Would you mind sharing what temperature you were driving out during this video, and what sort of impact you think that the lack of heat pump might have on range?
Had you driven a cool 55-59 mph (not 65-70), all the last charging would not have been necessary. Be kinder, and get a nice range bump.
Interesting to see how important charging speed vs range will be going forward
Just like a cellphone 😂
I've owned an EV for almost 3 years and I've only DCFC less than 5 times. It's not as important as people make it out to be. If you're honest with yourself if an EV is right for you, then you can get by just charging at home.
95% of charging is done at home.
It depends on whether people expect to use these as their only vehicle or not. For us, who are retired and don't have a commute, our car is mainly used for medium-to-long trips. For us, fast charging speeds and availability will be critical. If we go to Yosemite, we need to be able to charge either in the park or very close to it, and in a reasonable length of time. If we drive to Southern California, we'll need to charge once on the way down. Currently, we drive straight through for seven hours (400+ miles). An EV would be a significant inconvenience.
@@markmiller3279 I always tell people who are interested in EV's to be honest with themselves when it comes to range. If your commute requires you to DCFC several times a week and you don't have a level 2 at home, then I always suggest to get a hybrid until the technology allows us to get a minimum of 500 miles of range.
the high speed driving was mesmerizing :D
Once more are sold Ford can use all the info to make range more accurate. Just got one in at our dealership looking forward to test driving it. Looks better than Tesla probably built better too.
For all the tech and the 340 kw charging available the Mach E will still be hampered by the often horrible charging network of EA and EVGo. It’s a beautiful vehicle and looks like it’s well made. Take a long trip, see what it’s like to have to move from plug to the next repeatedly and most times have to contact the customer support to try and diagnose the issue. Often it’s taken care of by a fairly quick reset of the station. But as I experienced in BFE Oklahoma at a Loves Country Store on a cross country trip, none of the 4 units there would work. I had to limp down the road at 35mph hoping to get to a station that would work. Cool looking car.
The amount of CO2 emitted manufacturing -an 88 kWh- a 98.8 kWh battery pack is around -8.8 to 26.4- 9.9 to 29.6 tons. Someone living and charging up their Mustang Mach E (and getting 270 miles from a fully charged battery) in California will emit an additional 1.2 tons per year if they drive the 14,500 mile/year American average. If the battery pack lasts 150,000 miles, the vehicle's average CO2 emissions will be anywhere from about -141 to 259- 148 to 280 grams per mile ( -88 to161- 92 to 174 gCO2/km) before accounting for CO2 emissions given off during the manufacture of the rest of the vehicle's components. For comparison, a typical figure for a hybrid vehicle over the course of its lifetime would be something like 250 grams of CO2 per mile (~155 gCO2/km), where the figure includes CO2 emissions generated manufacturing all of the vehicle's components as well as CO2 emissions generated refining and delivering the gasoline it uses to market. So to state the obvious, it isn't clear that EVs like this are better in terms of CO2 emissions than hybrid vehicles even in California where the CO2 intensity of electricity generation is lower than the national average, but if they are, at best they probably only represent an expensive way to achieve a modest improvement that could be achieved more economically in other ways.
So, 280-290 miles based on your standard test loop, and 270-280 when you run the battery completely down. Not too different. Alex, do you think the test loop is good enough for future range tests with other vehicles?
if the temperature keeps being the same probably yes tbh
After the initial battery degradation of 5% that occurs in most all EV batteries, I'm sure the mileage will be more accurate to the 260-270 mile range. Probably the smart move to understate out of the factory.
Not bad Alex. My hat is off to Ford. Hopefully, they will come up with an electric F-150 in the near future. That will be a colossal game changer. I predict they won’t be able to build them fast enough. 😊
I have a 2016 Genesis G80 5.0. Love the car! Now I’m looking at the Mach E as a second car. Your long term review will help make my decision. I want the GT version. Sorry not a fan of Tesla. I just hope there will be more charging stations in Sacramento area soon.
There's no need to apologize for not being a fan of any particular car brand.
Ford is slower than Tesla. If you want GT type performance, better to get Tesla and live with ailments.
This is by far the best EV made. I was mixed between buying this or a tesla and ill be grabbing this
How’s the legroom compared to the RAV4 from last year? Do you think someone 6’5 would fit okay?
very interested in this car, looking forward to more videos
Wow you can drive fast in that state! Nice test, Alex. EV isn't for everyone, especially in Canada where we have extreme cold often, but I can see the appeal. How do you find the tire/road noise without the engine sound drowning that out?
This will be interesting because I’ve yet to see any EV have a longer than advertised range.
Bolt ev. Advertising 235 we got 300 our first year
I'll feel better year 2 of production
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@@mychevysparkevdidntcatchfi1489 well I'm not getting a god damn Chevy. I'd buy a dodge before I spent my hard earned money on a bowtie.
Lol at covering the speed limit.
and by the looks of it the Tesla Model Y has approx the same range as the Polestar 2? mm you are right about the horrible EPA, let me check the Canada site and see how their test cycles are like
i dont think ppl realize, tesla is reserving maybe 3KW while the mache is about 12. i wonder if its truly down to the chemistry....
Well this makes me hopefull for the lightning pro
Hi Alex, was a bit disappointed to watch all your video for you not to run till empty? Have a tow vehicle ready to run till empty for the way to do a more consistent test.
Ford is basically saying they have been the heart of epa range controversies before(think Cmax and fusion) They are not having any of that with this car. Underestimate, overdeliver.
But I will buy a fully loaded Mustang Mach-E 4X Premium anyway.
If that charger you went to at the end was not working, what would you have done?
He would have regretted he didn't buy a Tesla.
I believe he said there were 4 available chargers at that location.
That was SOOOO DISAPPOINTING! Why would you get that close to 0/empty and not run it out? My Ford will go 30 kms past the [0 kms to empty] notification, and the European WLTP cycle says 335 miles.
Excellent result with the Mach E, would it be possible to run the test again with the Model Y with similar weather and until empty like in this test? I noticed in your previous test in the Model Y it was not driven till near depletion and also the weather was 94 degrees. Great video as always Alex, thanks for the quality you put into your videos!
I. Hoping to, although arguably the climate control consumed more energy in the Mustang since it was using the heater and the Y has a heat pump
Ugh that 19th Ave is starting to get busy again like before 2020...haha wish I could have joined the ride along and give a rear passenger REVIEW pov!
Hey Alex! Can you do a video on the actual charging curve at a DC fast charge station? I would love to compare the charging rates from 10-80% to what the Model Y does. Also what was the peak charging rate for the Mach-E? did it ever reach 150kw? Thanks for the videos!
15% larger battery, and 15% narrower tires gets it similar, or better, range to the Model Y
Ford thought this out well.
I think Ford did a great job with this EV, it just has a horrible name.
Their branding strategy is terrible.
The branding is brilliant, what Karen soccer mom won't want to drive a Mustang over a Model Y or a Bolt EUV.
@@anydaynow01 A poorly-branded Mustang has no stroke over a Tesla. Nice try.
" In my last test of the Model Y I managed 225 miles of range"
I understand why people doesn't like mustang name on this car.
But honestly, that already proves that ford was successful on their marketing strategy.
I also don't like mustang, but I hate ford. Especially with this beautiful design.
@@michaelrim2174 Giving cars dumb names, and pissing people off proves they mismanaged the whole thing, not that they were right. It did get them cheap publicity, but Elon Musk doesn't have this problem. he just makes great vehicles, and he doesn't have to advertise at all. Maybe Ford should try that instead?
Man, that's impressive.
Any chance there will some day be a long, boring interstate cruise to test the range for that use case? That seems likely to be where range really has practical consequences
EXCELLENT video. Thanks for putting the time into it, and driving to the bitter end. 2 Questions that I have : Do you enjoy driving it better than a Tesla? 2) I see that you were driving with the windows up. Did you have the ac or heat on at all?
Thanks
I started out getting 296, then 241, now 201. Frustrated.
I really want to get the California Route 1 trim level but the website doesn’t really define how different it is from the premium and it doesn’t have all wheel drive as an option
Excellent video. Thanks for that. Apologies if you already mentioned it, however, compared to the Rav4 prime you've tested previously, how does this hold up? We have a prime on the way but curious about the Mach E.
Thanks for super helpful Info... I like this car even more after few videos proved that ford estimated Mach E very pessimistically. I wonder how far my RWD model will go. Feel like 320 is doable.
I'd like to see a real world test to Yosemite
Very informative! Alex, did you have air conditioning or any climate control on? I had a Kia Niro and it would say 271 miles range, but with AC on, it dropped to 234-ish. Thanks!
But also be interested what the climate usage was