Hobby Cheating 91 - How to Make Realistic Snow Bases
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2017
- In this Hobby Cheating Tutorial, I take you through my technique for doing realistic snow. As usual, I try to break this into several optional steps you can combine as you see fit to get the effect you want. Hope you enjoy!
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By far the most comprehensive snow tutorial on UA-cam. Most wargamers may not need such level of detail for their army bases but I really enjoy the pace and the thoughts behind this tutorial. Complimenti!
Thank you, I very much appreicate that. :)
Right on Vince! I've seen some other snow tutorials and they always seem funny to me. Living up here in the arctic, I don't see snow like this until late March, during our breakup season. Until then, the ground is fully covered and the wind blows across it in all directions, so it looks smooth like ice, but with wavy brims. Probably not the most interesting way to base a model, just stuffing it into a glob of white that comes up the model's shoulders.
Yes, it's always more of a "edge of winter" basing scheme because you are right, often the real snow scene where it's just a fully snow covered ground can be a little boring on the model because of the limited space to work with.
Awesome, I will have to check it out and happy to do the review any time sir :)
First I have to uplode the 200 items to the web store ;\
Great tutorial as usual.
But there is one thing I want to add.
Snow will not collect right behind an obstacle from the dominant wind but a couple of foot away you ll have a higher pile of snow due to the air turbulence.
But such thing occurs only if you have a really dominant wind on early or end winter.
Vince - as always, I appreciate the quality content :) I’ve watched this at least 5 times - right before I do a bunch of snow bases
Excellent!
Ah, Vince. Always reliable. I'm about to start a winter-themed Legion of Everblight force for Hordes and thought I'd look up some snowy base tutorials. Hobby Cheating is always my first go-to for tips and you never disappoint. :)
Awesome, happy to help as always. :)
Awesome! Can't stop looking at the blood river. Amazing contrast and realism. This is certainly on my list for basing my Space Wolves.
Thanks! Just in case you are curious on the river - it was undercoated in Scale 75 Hastur Purple, then the realistic water had a mix of Chesnut and Magenta layers from Warcolour's inks.
It's spot on! Perhaps if you get a chance I'd love to see a step by step on the next Hobby Cheating vid! You definitely nailed it!
for snow my current go to is Noch 08760 schnee flocken, its very "poofy" and airy and its got a some glitter mixxed into the product its by far the best stuff i've seen so far...
Fantastic! Thank you so much! I'll definitely be revisiting this when I start working on my Duardin.
Awesome, glad it was helpful and if you run into any questions, happy to help as always.
Great tutorial Vince! I'm going to put this to use on my display board for AoP this year.
Awesome, happy to help as always. :)
re-watched again a few times for snowy information!
I'm pretty lazy, but I found the AK interactive snow terrain is pretty decent, so instead of fully making my own I used that. they have a nice selection of sparkles, sprinkles etc, and mixed with woodlands (after your suggestion I got) you can get a great icy look.
Also, as you mentioned what is more to scale, AK microballoons are tiny, so great for a snow dusted look.
I'll have to check them out.
Very nice tutorial that yields some nice results. I recently picked up a "snow" product from the local craft/hobby store that already has some glitter elements worked into the paste; I haven't had a chance to try it out yet, but just looking into the pot I think it will yield some favorable results. Another trick I've seen for melting snow is to use a water product, like Woodland Scenics' Realistic Water or Vallejo's Still Water, as the base medium and then mix a little bit of snow powder in with that and put it around the edges; a little more work intensive, but worth experimenting with I think.
Yep, that was the last thing I sort of mentioned off-hand, but you are correct, it can have some great effects, I have played with that a few times on some bases, it might just deserve it's own tutorial. Share your results on the snow product, very interested.
For 11:50, you could get an old salt or pepper shaker maybe? One of the restaurant ones with one tiny hole
This is absolutely my favorite snow tutorial I've seen. One thing though, have you ever done a tutorial on those fantastic rock formations? That's one thing I kinda just don't know where to start other than cork for the flatter pieces. But you have such great variety I would love to know how you do it and especially the base material for some of the funkier craggy bits.
I have not done a video on that, but that's a great one. I might have to do that very soon, as it's something I am always giving feedback on. Thanks for watching and commenting as always sir :)
Vince Venturella I would absolutely love that as I'll be starting quite a few of those types of bases very soon! Thank you as always Vince, your vids are literally the best on here.
Very cool! I’m going to play with this when I get back home:)
Excellent, it's really fun to play with the snow and you can play with all sorts of stuff to change the nature of the snow.
Oh my goodness, do you have a video on how you did that blood river base?! It's incredible!
P.s just found your channel and it is an absolute goldmine!
Well thank you, glad to have you along on the hobby journey. :) - As to how, it was pretty simple, just a mix of crimson wash/ink with some woodland scenics realistic water. Then if you want some extra credit, you can use blood for the blood god as little ripples in the "water."
Another thing I found is that if you don't sprinkle Soft Flake Snow on top, the snow looks less fresh, more compressed and smooth. Also more white, because the Soft Flake Snow will create shadows and thus greying out the snow. I went with a muddy, snowy base and left the sprinkle Soft Flake Snow step out to indicate that the snow is less fresh.
Makes total sense and you're correct.
To me that actually looks more like early spring than winter. Like the snow looks like it's melting away,not like there's still active snowfall otherwise you could barely see that there are rocks over there because it would definitely gather between them.
Or maybe that's just how it acts over here in the arctic circle.
Totally fair, I was thinking of a little melt, but my climate is temperate, so that blow, build, melt happens many times over the winter.
Wonderful work! I recently tried out you desert basing approach and I'd like to try a base that is similar to this - pre-snow. Do you have a video up for this? I went through a couple of your preceding numbered videos and didn't see anything. Looking for more dirt and bare rock colors.
I don't have anything specific, I have a forest base and it's a lot of the same techniques. You could always use the techniques from this one and leave off the more industrial ruins. - ua-cam.com/video/ZAzucQbdzNw/v-deo.html
I will add it to the list for the future.
I wonder if you can use a bit of the warcolours Metallic white or a pearlescent medium to get the same effect as the gel stuff you used.
Yes, I have heard of others using the Pearl Interference pigment as well and having that work quite well. I have some of that as well and I am going to give it a try in the future.
Hi Vince, what I find difficult to figure out is when to go for a winter themed base. It makes sense when you have a particular theme in mind or are working on Space Wolves or something similar, but otherwise I would choose a winter theme to contrast with the colors on the mini. To create a value contrast with a dark and moody chaos warrior painting scheme for example. Would love to know what your deciding factors are and what color or color scheme's would go well with a winter themed base (including some kind of snow).
I think it can work on a lot of minis, I've used it when I thought it suited the overall "tone" of the mini, really just the feeling, especially if it was more based on minis that seemed "harsh" like chaos folk, people that would wander in harsh climates.
Thanks, Vince! Second time using this tutorial and it always comes out brilliant. Any thoughts on varnishing the finished products? I added some snow onto the sides of UV resin bases to hide some of the imperfections and now I’m wondering what I could do to make them a little more durable. Considering either a couple passes with the airbrush applying varnish or maybe using AK Interactive’s Gravel and Sand fixer and maybe a second dusting of the Woodland Scenics snow.
I don't varnish the snow, not sure what would happen there, but you could always try a pass with the airbrush.
Hey Vince, huge fan of your work. I have a question about mixing the gloss varnish for the melty effect. Would adding a drop or two of the Game Air Electric Blue, or any light blue for that matter, give an ethereal effect to the ice?
It could, but you would want it very, very minimal. I think maybe even some light blue patina pigment could work.
A very good looking snow. The part when you have to clean the workbench is the one that you don't show in the tutorial ;) A good one.
This is very true, there is a long wiping phase that happens immediately after this tutorial for sure ;)
Awesome, love it :D
Thank you sir, appreciated as always.
Is this how you still do snow bases? This has led me down quite the rabbit-hole, I don't even know what a "stamp" shop is but we have a rather large model railroad store in town, and there's snowflakes, snowflakes with glitter, snowpaste, snowflakes to put on the snowpaste, snowglue and then Vallejo had a bunch of snow stuff and now I think I'll just base my models in the summer. :D
Actually I might try this with the snowflakes with glitter, because it looks like the glitter is seperate and it looked like this, although they said to put the glitter on right before the glue hardens. Anyway, thanks for the help and rabbit hole.
Yep, this is still how I do snow more or less, there are lots of ready made products, and many of those work as well, no issue either way.
Very helpful. Will try these techniques. Definitely looks more realistic. How do you store the left overs? I made way too much for my squad and wasn’t sure what to do with it since I’ll need more for my next group
So I will say that if you are talking about the snow, there really isn't much way to store it. It tends to dry out fairly quickly. That being said, it's fairly easy to make more. :)
Hi Vince! It'd there a video on how you made and painted this awesome blood/rock base?
Sadly I don't have a video on that specifically, but I will add it to the list to do a nice chaos wasteland base. :)
awesome tutorial. the first time I used snow I put pva glue on the base and sprinkled snow effect over it like flock! how do you get the water effect? is it resin?
Yes, the water effect was Realistic water from Woodland Scenics, I have a tutorial on it here - ua-cam.com/video/ZQUk61JpnlQ/v-deo.html&list=PLcdsbwBroEmD2fNEJhcju6PD7qRmoo04Y
I adore the base, and especially the bloody water. I know you did it with colors from Warcolour's inks, but can you recommend any Citadel paints to get a result that's alike it? Awesome base!
Thank you! I would say the closest approximation would be with Carrionburg Crimson shade and Reikland Fleshshade mixed in layers with realistic water (Crimson base, then layers of the chesnut/fleshshade over top). Thanks for watching and commenting and I hope that helps.
Vince Venturella Thank you for getting back to me so quickly :)
could metal/pearlesent/iradescent medium work in place of that glitter stuff?
Yes, it's something I haven't tried yet, but I own the material. I am going to play with that as well and see if if can also do the work. I suspect so, but that is untested.
@@VinceVenturella Did you ever get round to trying this? I'm trying to find an analogue to the glitter stuff in the UK, without success so far.
@@PrometianPainting Yep, you can also use the little crushed powdered glass, available from Secret Weapon and others.
Vince have you ever tried a AK interactive snow microballoons ? I prety sure that this stuff is so small that will match the scale. It is so tiny that it could fit in gap between my fingerprint lines. In the same diorama series they have also ice sparkles, I'm pretty sure that they also have some use in making good looking snow i just didn't figure out how to use them yet.
I have not, but it sounds very interesting, I will have to give it a try, always looking for new fun hobby stuff to try.
Thank you for this awesome tutorial. It looks so great! I heard that some guys put smashed/grinded glass on top of there snow for the glitterness. Have you ever tried this?
I have heard of it, but I have never tried it. I am not sure it wouldn't be too reflective. I would probably just use more of that glitter paste mixed in as it always seems to reflect exactly correctly.
Sounds dangerous
Still a great tutorial Vince! Has your method of making snow changed in the last 3 years? I am a little worried about the baking soda yellowing. How has this base or older bases fared in that regard? I have heard good things about Golden's light molding paste as a good snow straight out of the pot. Do you have experience with that product?
Nope, this is still the same thing. I don't really see any yellowing, but if there is a concern, you can just mix a little white paint/ink into the original wet mix.
Hey ! That's one of the best base i've ever seen ! The realistic snow is perfect , and this blood effect.. just wow ! By the way, i assume you did it like in your previous video on water effect, and that you used warcolours ink, but what paints did you exactly use for it? What paints As a base, how did you highlighted it, and what colours did you mixed with the water effect ? This blood river is perfect I want to do the same at home haha.
( should consider the idea of making a video about this topic )
I should do a blood pool, but in this case, it was a thin magenta undercoat, shaded with purple in the darker areas, some carrionburg crimson in the realistic water and then if you want, some Blood for the Blood God over the top.
@@VinceVenturella first thanks for the quick answer ! For this base did you put blood for the blood god over the top? And do you apply it everywhere?
In this case I did not, in times where I have done it, yes, that is exactly what I do. :)
Is it possible to use a varnish over the snow or will this destroy its texture? Is it safe to play with the mini without the snow beeing damaged or falling off? Thanks for your help! Great video as always! :)
I don't varnish it, though I am sure something like Testor's shouldn't yellow. I play with them all the time. You will occasionally have a few small particles come off, but it's pretty solid.
Thank you very much for your help!!
apologies if I've missed it somewhere in the comments but what is the sparkly gel? trying to find something online for this purpose
fantastic video - looking forward to using it on my soulblight gravelords
So it’s for craft making, sparkle glue, but sense then, I actually use PearlEX pigment sprinkled in.
@@VinceVenturella thanks, much appreciated
Hej Vince,
Love your Videos. I have a question though. Since the snowstuff is kinda hard to get in Germany I tried you original recipe from episode 03. But as soon as I start to mix the paste, the soda reacts with my glue and it becomes a indestructable kind of chewing gum :O What am I doing wrong?
Hard to say, I've never had that reaction. It sounds like its either the soda or the glue. Here are some options.
1) Try different baking soda or different PVA glue.
2) Try to mix water into the soda first.
3) Try to mix water into the PVA glue first and then mix that into the soda
My hope would be one of those things would stop the bad reaction.
Okay I just asked Mr. Google and it might be that baking soda does not translate into German just as easy as I thought. I keep experimenting and will post if I make any progress on my snowy bases :D
Oh, I hadn't even thought of that - here is what I am referencing specifically (the product - Chemical is Sodium Bicarbonate) - www.amazon.com/HAMMER-Baking-Soda-13-5-Pound/dp/B002SKVZIQ/ref=sr_1_3_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1500490772&sr=8-3&keywords=baking%2Bsoda&th=1
‘You want a tiny bit of glitter’: crushes the bottle
Yeah, there was a little bit less than I thought. ;)
There’s a glitter series on Flixzone?!? Count me in!!!
What’s Flixzone???
Have tried this recipe recently and am happy with the result. Have you tried playing with the ratio of the baking soda and Soft Flake Snow?
Yep, I mix different ratios around sometimes, but I still use this same recipe.
Not sure if you check comments on videos from 3 years ago, but any tips on how to make "forest" themed bases? I'm going for fairly themed tau army from their battle in the forest. I want it to have a lot of snow, think syberia forest covered in snow, but no idea how to make it look interesting.
Sure, so here is a recent video where I tackle forest themed bases - ua-cam.com/video/wrNmtly3r8E/v-deo.html
I also have a video on Jungle bases if you want to go that direction.
That was great, thanks for that tutorial
Thank you, happy to help as always.
@@VinceVenturella do you have any advice to get a snowy countryside? I am recreating ww2 and winter war is at the door step. I need snow drifts and trees with snow. Or does the method work anyway?
@@tabletopgeneralsde310 Same principles, spread the snow out, heed the directions, especially on things like trees where snow only gathers on one side.
@@VinceVenturella i hope i'll get it half as good as you, :-)
I assume that titanium white ink (PW6) would work just fine as a substitute to white paint.
Yep, just fine.
Hi Vince, I've recently tried this out and it looked great. But when it dried, the snow effects were very dry and came off of the bases of my minis easily. I'm I using too little PVA? Or is this method not the best for gaming minis? Thanks for your help
Sounds like it's not enough glue in the mix, so it's not adhering.
@@VinceVenturella tried a wetter mix and got much better effect, but an unexpected problem of a lot of brown leeching from the base into the snow. I varnished the base twice. Wondering whether it might be the bicarbonate reacting. Have you had any issues like this before? Thanks in advance for your help!
Hi Vince, could can find in which video you talked about sparkly paint, giving a sort of angelic look? Would you remember what paint that was?
I am not sure where I would have talked about that, I don't really like sparkly paint outside of snow, can't think of anything.
Thanks for trying, I'll have to start saving your videos I want to re-watch
Wow this blood river ! I'd love to see a tutorial about it !
It's this technique here but with crimson paint/ink instead, but the technique is exactly the same. Hope that helps - ua-cam.com/video/ZQUk61JpnlQ/v-deo.html
@@VinceVenturella i'm not sure i really understand ^^ you just used crimson paint? nothing else?
@@VinceVenturella i mean what colors did you used as base, did you also shade the edge with an another color? and finally what colors did you use to mix with the water effect?
@@VinceVenturella ( sorry for being answering so late )
oh, and I guess you can't seal or varnish the base afterwards?
Depends on the varnish, but as a general rule, yes, you want to varnish first, then apply the snow.
have you ever used the crushed glass?
No, but I am afraid it would reflect too much, but again, I can't be sure. Pearl Interference pigment could also work though I didn't address that here.
How did you do the blood river?
Mixed in some crimson into woodland scenics realistic water, poured over a deeper crimson base, then did a layer of blood for the blood god over top.
I think the 'blood' river was a really bad contrast. Would have looked way better with 'meltwater'. The red was just overpowering and a distraction to the look.
Fair enough. :) - I like blood rivers what can I say, but of course the main point was the snow application. :)
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