How to use pond foam - black waterfall pond expanding foam
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God is good! Today I am adding my foam and I picked up the phone to look your video was the first one to be there. It was perfect! Right down to every question I had in mind. I am a big fan of yours now. You are my go to for info. Thank you for being so detailed that a 64 year old girl understood every word. I will be checking in.
Brinda Williams thank you 🙏
Perfect timing, man. My little stream is still sitting out there unfinished. This
will get me off the sofa and back out there to plug up some voids.
S Cox sounds good
Mate the more I watch this the more I learn thanks so much.
Built my first water feature with your help looks great well I think so.
I will send you a video
Always offering great advice tips and tricks 🥰
Thank you
Great stuff waterfall form, helps to guide the water where you need it to go.
jen fan it’s so easy to use and replace too
Another must watch 👍
Thank you, hopefully I will hit the money
Perfect timing. I’m just about to start with foaming to keep me stones in place. Great video as always.
sounds good
Been doing a marathon on your vids!! Keep up the good work!!
Thank you for your time
Great explanation on the usage of the foam, i think i'll get some as i can upgrade more of what i have done !!
anthony cain it’s amazing, was building for 25 years with concrete and then band I can build a waterfall in a couple of hours instead of over two days. As having to wait for concrete to set.
It's like you've read my mind! I was searching your videos just yesterday about using foam and sealant!
Hopefully I hit your needs, any questions fire away
@@ThePondAdvisor cheers
thank you mark for the great advice and tips. My go to advisor.
My pleasure
Good old British weather. I love it 😁
Was good fun
Thanks for another fab video Mark! Great work ... as usual! 👍🏼
thanks for watching
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yet another perfect video explaining all. The only issue I had was seeing the washing on the line in that weather. arrgggh!
Ha Ha yes it came down very quick and was washed a few times that day.
Thank you for your great video, i wish I had seen your tips before I built my pond. Have a persistent leak on my waterfall, got some black foam and your video was so informative and gave me tips that I would never thought of. Thank you my Pond Guru. You are my “Go to Guy” in the future my valuable Gem.
My pleasure
fantastic, need to use on my waterfall. great instruction
toshibavoodoo thank you
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing! I’m just a DIYer, but I love seeing the pros at work, and greatly appreciate all the tips along the way. I would also love to see a video on calculating and selecting the rock for these projects!
Nick Bazzett in the pipeline
Excellent what and how-to video. More like this for us beginners please.
Thanks for the feedback, see my which pond pump video, hope it helps
Looking forward to learning about the foam we see you use
Hopefully I will help
Thank you for this Great explanation and your practice insights. Really helpful 👍🏻
My pleasure
Thanks for the explications. You are the best
thank you,
fantastic video, very informative
Thank you for your time watching
Great video thanks
Sarah Rogers thank you for watching
Thanks, very helpful
Thank you for your time
Very informative Mark thanks.
My pleasure
Nice Mark!
Thank you
Good stuff. Thank you.
thank you
Thanks for your time.
Thank you
How about a beginners video, on the type of plants to start off a pond and what you do to place them in and around.
Thank you, great topic
Great points Mark. Now I want to purchase a foam gun. I like the idea of putting a second layer to hide the foam.
Brad Parker waterfeature.shop/products/pro-waterfall-foam-sealant
waterfeature.shop/products/economy-foam-gun-applicator
washing's drying nicely I see
Ha Ha then being rinsed, the client said leave it. We did start taking it in for her. She said it’s part of the cycle lol
hahah the washing on the line
Crazy British Weather, second rinse, the client said to leave it
Thanks Mark. Great video.
I’ve used only one can of the proper waterfall foam. Had to get it from the Uk. But I used about 4 cans if the white ordinary stuff. I got the gun for it.
But it grows so big I had a few panic attacks to push it back in the crevices before it sets. But it works ok. Not as dense or discreet as the black stuff. But I also used some JetCem quick set cement in places, to secure certain rocks so the grandkids can walk up it safely.
You mention “bibbing”. Can you do a video on that please.
yes i have a bib liner video coming up, the normal white stuff is not totally fish safe as well, fine out of the water
Great video. Watching your video just gave me an idea. I hope it works. Floating base for pond plants are really expensive. You mentioned it will float. So I thought of applying this waterfall foam to the plant basket around the sides. Thank you
Yes I have done this before or filling pipes with foam, even planting straight into the foam
I touch on it in this video I believe
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Thank you Mark for the videos, I am contemplating a pond less waterfall and one of your kits, my question is, the length would be about 4 to 5 meters long and rising up to under a meter, would the pump supplied in kits be ok for a good flow ??
Julie Gulley yes they give a good amount of water at a 1.5m head (including the pipework).
Can I seal cracks in my concrete pond with this foam? I tried silicon chalk ten years ago and the chalk is coming loose now. Can I trowel it flat over areas that may be leaking? Thanks for this information. I never heard about this product.
Great vid as always Mark.... Just to clarify, when you mention spraying the water with an atomiser to seal the foam better, do you mean, spray the rock first than foam to seal better to the rock or to spray once foamed to seal the surface of the foam better for a more water tight seal?
both, have a play with the foam you are using, the aquascape foam is a little different
Interesting product that foam. always thought people just put stones together on top of each other, I wonder when you deconstruct the pond in future is it difficult to clean off?
No it’s easy to remove, if it’s done right the foam sticks to the rock, so the foam bend to be scraped of, you can buy a few different drill bits with paddles like a wheel of sand paper. So much easier than mortar.
What stops the foam going off in the end of the tube?
no air, as soon at the foam comes into contact with air it drys solid
Thank you so much for being very precise with your explanation. I have bought several brands of PU Pond Foams - the workers most likely did not shake the cans enough. Our waterfall is leaking everywhere. It's a mess. The PU Foam turned into a sponge-like material - it holds water - and yes, my waterfall is leaking. They then turned to industrial foam which I am not happy with at all. So basically you are saying that these Pond Foams will never turn hard and are NOT water-tight - and do they all turn into a sponge-like substance which holds water? So - the only thing that will prevent water from leaking is the rubber underlay?
Yes pond liner is your waterproof bag, everything goes inside
I wish you would come theUnited States and build me a fish pond. Thank you for all great videos. Jerry S
I have a lot of pond building friends in the US
I have an applicator for other form tins is your foam tin a standard fitting ?
Yes, the guns applicator are all very similar, make sure you screw the applicator on to the can like in the video.
It is pouring with rain and all I can think about is the washing on the line, in the background :-)
The gazebo was for shade then we had a tropical storm, we would have taken the washing in but we did it once before and the client had to wash it again, due to us building a pond. The client was aware of the washing and it was washed twice lol, it was dry by the end of the day! Boy that week was hot 🥵
Hi Mark. Is the DIY grade foam the same actual foam, but just with more basic can/applicator? Also do you use a liner underlay AND an overlay? Cheers!
Yes we use two layers of protection, the DIY grade is better in the cold so a small difference
I was looking to buy some, but only doing this once, so seems expensive to buy the one you used. So can I use a generic aplicator gun with the Aquascape professional grade foam?
Yes the pro cans fit a number of different applicators, our applicators don’t block as east as some!
HI Mark, Where do you source your rocks from and what types of rocks do you prefer.?
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Hi mate, good job, where do you get your foam from see some on ebay there are 3/4 all the same make and one don't say its fish safe but its say its an adhesive would you use it, just because it don't say its fish safe is it really going to kill all the wild life......
waterfeature.shop/search?q=Foam+
Cheers for that would you say the non-professional one has just as good as adhesion as the professional one i don't like using the guns they always clog up...! £20 then it goes in the bin...!
Yes they are in someways better make sure you mix (shake) well.
Hi will this stick rock to the liner for my stream and waterfall…?
Yes, absolutely it will stick to both a rubber liner and a textured surface of a rock. However “stick” can mean to things. It will not seal or waterproof. It will not stick if there is grease or not very clean on the surfaces.
You are simply filling a void to stop water moment
I finished my pond with crazy paving, trouble is water level doesn't reach the top of the slabs, going to take it up and use rocks instead and landscaping foam.
Sound cool
They sell a can of cleaner for the foam gun. The cleaner can is the same design as the foam can to adapt to the gun.
Yes, the aquascape cleaner has an adaptor to you can clean your hands or other surfaces
Great video, very helpful. Advice please. We bought quite a powerful pond pump because to make sure it could pump the water to the top of the waterfall but are finding that the flow rate down the waterfall is too fast and splashing outside the membrane so potentially losing water. The pump was quite expensive and does not have a regulator so is there a solution rather than changing the pump?
What we call a blow off valve, it’s like a two way inline valves,
waterfeature.shop/products/pond-flow-control-valve
Can I stick moss to the pond liner with waterfall foam? Will it adhere well enough? Great video!
If the liner has a texture surface or rubber.
Do you think this product is safe to use on wells, we need install a steel cage at 80mts deep to handle a mild colapse and erosion, there is a 10 to 20 cm organic gap around the cage,, its usually enough to use the steal mesh, cage but in my mind, its would work, amazing if foam, with it dry, and how long with it last.
Last for years
Love your videos. By far the best I have seen. What are the disadvantages of using mortar when compared to foam?
Foam is not a replacement for mortar! You are limiting yourself for future changes (you can’t make changes that easy, sometimes with mortar you have to start again as you damage the liner on the rip out, mortar looks un natural out of the gate, mortar is heavy so you end up moving lots more weight in materials, you need experience mixing is an art form, foam is consistent or should be buy cheap buy twice, mortar mixes lime leaching out new motor burns moss, mortar takes a hundred times longer to go off, you can build a waterfall with foam in a couple of hours (you can’t run a waterfall with mortar for at least 24 hours),
Is 270 gallons too small of a pond to be building for people for business? Or would 500 be best for building for other people.
Kylie and Kallie it depends, patio ponds are smaller, I build small wildlife ponds
I have a tear abot 24" long 1-2" wide. We have used a patch that lasts about a year. Could I possibly use the foam ang "glue" stones over it to seal the crack? Plain clay underneath. The edpm patches don't seem to stick when it gets gold or stays under water. Thanks
Waterfall Foam will not always seal a hole, (if it does i would question for how long) best to use EPDM cover tape. If you in the UK we stock a nice wide 9" tape as well at the 6" version that will last longer than the liner.
waterfeature.shop/products/cover-tape
@@ThePondAdvisor thanks for the information. I’m in the US. I may just need to call someone to come fix it. Thanks again!
Looking forward to this, I'm trying to expand my fibreglass pond and want to know if I can use something like this to join two fibreglass ponds together, or whether I can join a fibreglass pond to a pond liner also!
No you can’t join two fibre glass ponds together with foam, fibre glass yes
@@ThePondAdvisor Fair enough, I thought it was a long shot! Are you suggesting I use some sort of fibre glass sealant instead?
Thanks for the video too, I've watched quite a few of yours and they've helped me make decisions on how to put my nature pond together. Doesn't look as professional as yours but it's doing well so far. I've got a resident frog who likes it, but inadvertently transferred some goldfish eggs over from my fish pond, so had to spend yesterday getting the now grown baby goldfish out and putting them in the fish pond!
That's why I want to expand my fish pond, to give the baby fish some more space to enjoy when they're grown up! :)
Tom Southworth love it, if your trying to join two preformed fibreglass ponds, use the bulkhead or tank connectors
@@ThePondAdvisor Well, I'm not sure how I'm going to approach it yet, just gathering information. I dug the nature pond and put all the shelves in for it myself etc.
The fish pond though is a preformed fibreglass one, and it would be a lot of work to take it out and replace it with a lined one, so I'm looking for an easy way of expanding it. I could dig a new lined pond and connect that up to the fibreglass one, which I may have to do because of space limitations (not sure I can find a fibreglass one to fit the space I have). I'd still have to use a bulkhead/tank connectors though I'm guessing.
@@Technologyadvisor1 That's exactly what I built my nature pond out of, with some underlay beneath it. But, I don't think I understand what you're saying. What would I line the inside of with edpm liner? :S
How do I buy an aquascape medium pond kit? Ive tried buying online and uk shipping isn't available.
Nicholas Faithful waterfeature.shop/products/aquascape-uk-medium-pond-kit-3m-x-5m-x-90cm?_pos=1&_sid=b53110a92&_ss=r
Just found your video, thank you Mark! I’m a novice aiming for big things with my pond… already part filled with a massive stack of rocks ready and waiting! Will go and buy the foam now . Quick question how much do you need for a decent size 3 tier waterfall? Would one can do it?
Really depends on the rock placement and the gaps. You can fill large voids with gravel then foam. You get a lot in a pro can. waterfeature.shop/products/professional-black-waterfall-foam
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Is it risky to remove rocks that are foamed onto the liner? Can it tear the liner, or can it be done carefully? I want to make adjustments to my waterfall pond by moving some of the rocks to create a better cascade. Sorry if this was addressed in the video.
Yes you can remove the foam and rocks. Protect the liner with a overlay. Then worst case just pull the overlay up as well.
Not a scuba diver 🤣. Learnt again I know a bit more about the foam. Just need to use them myself, would you recommend one over the other for novices?
Charlotte Wilson I would say pro foam is easier to use but DIY is cheaper if you doing it once.
I had a giggle at the ‘scuba diver’ comment too 😅
Hi Mark, is it necessary to use the foam? Does it matter if water gets behind the rocks? I’m only building a small wildlife pond
Depends if you want to see the water, you can have the water run under no problem
No matter how much of this stuff I use I still have a leak under a guide stone on top of my spillover rock. How can I fix this problem? And how can I get the water to fall over the edge smooth instead of folding under and running under the rock?
The sealing of the stone, find out we’re the water is coming from. Lots of people look at the area where the water is coming out instead of where is the water entering.
Lots of tricks, seal and folds in the liner, use bib liners, spray foam on to (only dry rubber liner) let it go off a little then gently place the spill stone on to it. Form a beam line the put the stone on to it.
The flow of the water is dictated by the shape of the stone. Clean crisp edges are needed for curtain or sheet falls. If the edge is rounded then use a different stone or cut into the stone you like.
Mark
Can you use normal expanding foam or does it have to be specific for ponds/fish
Regards
Jim
A lot are not aquatic safe or been tested for aquatic use. It really depends on the amount your using, totally different products, the consistency is different and expansion rates.
I use the odd can if I run out on the job site and working away. It’s a lot harder to disguise
Hi! I was using aquascape DIY waterfall foam on some wet rocks and about 5-10 minutes after applying the foam it started to rain. That’s ok right? These conditions won’t interfere with the foams drying process right? I can run the waterfall a few hours after applying the foam right? Thanks!
As long as the rain has not misshaped the foam, water makes it go off better, I use water (in a spray bottle) sometimes in the summer to cool the rock and to create a better seal.
@@ThePondAdvisor hi! In what way would the rain misshape it? I already had the foam curing by the time it started raining.
@@davidlu7245 it will be all set, if the foam is wet and you get heavy rain the foam might misshapen due to the force of the water coming down, just like if you turn the waterfall or stream on to early, the foam will wash away, if the foam had cured before it started rain then your ok. You just can’t foam in heavy rain as it will come out and the rain will wash it away.
I see you directly put foam on the liner, after 6 or 7 years, when you wanna remove the old foam, will the liner be damaged?
No not at all protected if anything, it’s is so much easier than a weak mortar mix on the old traditional ponds.
Mark, in other videos you anchor Willow Moss with the Waterfall Foam. Can you confirm that the moss will continue to grow and flourish in the cured foam?
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I would like to know this as well
Yes with the right conditions for the moss, willow moss will grow if you have enough water. Other moss will not grow all year, just like a daffodil, willow moss is evergreen so will stay green with the right amount of water. Some misses will green up in the winter the flowering season, even if the moss dies back it still looks ok. The key is the right plant in the right place.
Great video ! Have you ever had any issues using cement mortar to set large stones ? I’ve heard people say cement based mortar is not safe for fish ? I’m restoring a large pond at my house and the stones were set with mortar
Yes and No, I used it for 25 years, it’s safe after the total cure but takes weeks. Plus it’s heavy and over engineered
Thanks ! I may try sealant over the mortar not using rocks these are huge slabs and need to be bonded together
@@sprokthered if they are huge (I guess what is huge) why the need to bond together?
We install steppers and large rocks up to around 5 tons without mortar. Slabs around a pool (traditional fish pools) need mortar 100% as they don’t have anything to stop them falling in and being hazardous.
Great video! Has your washing dried yet? :D
Ha Ha that was the post wash rinse
Hi
Please can you advise where I can get this from?
waterfeature.shop/products/professional-black-waterfall-foam
Were do you buy the foam please
waterfeature.shop/search?q=Foam
Can this be applied underwater? Will it setup and plug a pipe full of water?
The foam will go off but it’s not water proof or it will not fill up underwater it floats
If you can empty the pipe then it will be better
Adding a cap to the pipe is best
Hi Mark. Thanks for this video it’s really useful. Can you tell me where I can purchase this and the applicator in UK please ? Thanks. Dom
waterfeature.shop/products/professional-black-waterfall-foam?_pos=2&_psq=foam+and+gun&_ss=e&_v=1.0
If you don’t want to buy three can and the applicator then here’s the link for the applicator waterfeature.shop/products/economy-foam-gun-applicator
@@ThePondAdvisor That’s brilliant thanks for getting back to me so quickly! All the best. Dom
@@ThePondAdvisor just a quick question. Do you know if a third party applicator would fit the foam cans? Thanks.
@@dominicmatthews5504 some do yes
Do you sell eco system pond kits?
Yes we do via our online shop
waterfeature.shop/search?q=Pond+kits+
Who do you know in eastern PA? Thank you
Water Features by Gerard
If you reach out say the pond advisor says hello
I wish I knew to keep the can upside down. Went through 2 before I realised I was letting all the gas out 😅
Great experience, I had a new guy once take all the cans of my guns once
Just turned my gun upside down thanks 😊
Paul Barnes most guns are ok, I have even left the gun open and upside down and the gas has been ok.
The Pond Advisor I did use the cheapest guns I could find so that might have been the issue 😅
Come on, tell us what it must have!!
UV stable.
Pet safe
Black
What else?
Pro or DIY
You just forgot to mention the 2 most important things:
Where to buy?
How many cans in one normal size pond?
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Hi Mark I had two questions I’m struggling with my waterfall going into my pond is there anyway I could get your email address so I could send you a pic and show you what I’m confronted with
mark@anypond.com
tell them to bring their sheets in
we started taking them down, the home owner asked us to leave them, 20mins later they where dry after a natural rinse, lol
Two days after using my hands with pond foam I am still struggling to get it off. Maybe I was unlucky/stupid but it’s horrible stuff to deal with manually or with gloves as it is so cloying and sticky (unsurprisingly). I would strongly recommend that it is very unsafe to just use your hands to handle or manipulate this stuff. Follow the H&S guidance on the can as I did what the pond advisor did and it turned out very badly for me.
Great feedback, yes you don’t want to use your hands 🙌
Subtitel pliase 🙏
I was liking the videos but when I seen you can only buy what he recommends out of other brands of expanding foam from his website, he’s talking nonsense, and the applicator gun is such a rip off.. you can buy one of these for £10, I wouldn’t waste your time buying from him
Thanks for your feedback, not all applicators are the same. This goes for the same as the foam. We don’t recommend the cheaper throw away guns if you want quality to last ten years then your in the right place. You can find cheaper guns and foam I never said you can’t. It sounds like the cheaper grade is best for you, that’s great. It’s not one size fits all.
Go off = set. Also, this was not a very helpful video. I am going to get some foam, and hopefully get things right, but I would not give this video any credit whatsoever with my success. My failure yes, but not my success.
Thanks for the tips!