Im working on a pond for my grandma's red eared slider (turtle) thats 6 foot by 9 foot and 3 feet deep with a shelf on the 6 foot side going an additional 18 inches back and 18 inches down for plants. Going to line it with 45 mil EPDM and was not aware i needed an underlayment. I have some 20 mil fiber reinforcement greenhouse plastic and was hoping it will work if I double it up.
@@ThePondAdvisor raised pond three different levels with waterfall it was far easier to shape the pond how I wanted it with cement and never have to worry about leaks and it looks really natural. I built the walls with stones and built a stone waterfall. I'm not saying liner is bad but for me personally it didn't work how I wanted it to. Cost me a lot for the liner but I'll use it elsewhere on other projects.
Do you live in cold area where it might freeze during the winter? I heard with concrete, the repeated freezing and dethawing can actually cause cracks in concrete
I have what is known as Hard pan here in the USA. It holds water really well. Can I just dig my pond then just fill with water and skip a liner? I want to put Koi, turtles etc in it.
@@ThePondAdvisor we have had water in the area before. We want a bigger pond and are enlarging it now. I don't mind hazy water and will have a water feature that will move the water. But I was wondering if I had to have a liner. We didn't before and the water level statyed up
If you have soil that will retain water, you don't have to have a liner. If you're going to have koi, though, you probably won't see them often as they frequently stir up the bottom and your water will be silty.
You don’t need a liner per say if your have dug a test hole and left it for 18 months. You can cover the base with fabric and create an ecosystem pond with rocks and gravel, intake bay and wetland filter to reduce the silt. Coloured carp are easy to see when on the surface in most lakes.
Dig a hole. Put liner in hole. Pour concrete. Put rock and bog zone where you like. Liner is protected by concrete and concrete doesn't need to be water tight or crack proof.
@@Gigi-xr3qscover the liner, skin or the pond, or water proof bag, I would use a 250 gram geo on top plus rocks and gravel. If you have high traffic from these animals use more protection concrete cloth or wire can be also used
@@ThePondAdvisor Thanks for the response. I am thinking I will use the liner, and then slowly coat it with concrete over the course of a few days. Thanks.
Iv had a 10 x 11m at 3m deep swimming pool iv dug it in my blue clay garden in England. Iv given up on it after 2 years as it loses water and iv now given up as keep filling it messes up the water quality. Over 3k im being quoted just for supply of a linner for it 😔
Hi im going to build a new pond appox 8m x 5m x 2m deep and i would like to concrete over The liner then build a wall on the concrete so i can then stone face the wall. So my question is can i concrete over epdm or pvc and which would be the best Thanks
Hi Mark, Some great content throughout your videos, thank you. It s been really interesting to watch and learn from your videos for the past 3 years, super friendly for newbie’s. My pond is 4 years old now, a 2x4m and is layered with a cheap PVC, now leaking after the spring cleaning, will be installing EPDM liner. Can I still layer it over the PVC liner or should I remove it prior ?
Hi, what is the best pond overlay and where to get it, seems a lot harder to find than underlay. We have a raised pond, with a waterfall to a shallow wildlife pond, which will have pebbles and risk of kids walking in it!! Was wondering about an underlay under the pebbles to protect it even further than the underlay and liner. Using 1mm firestone liner.
@@ThePondAdvisor I see! There is no chance I would get away without the epdm with just underlay? I suppose it depends on the results of the test holes. Will start digging!
@@Edward_Joseph_ sorry I did not make myself clean. One meter of clay is the thickness not the same 1mm thick like rubber so no if your buying the clay you would need a lot of bags “1m3” of clay instead of 1m2 of rubber.
EPDM Pond Liner or HDPE Liner: High-density polyethylene (HDPE) which are known for their chemical resistance and toughness. They are often used in industrial applications and landfills. The down side on smaller projects is it’s harder to install
@@annefricker8474 If you want to make a simple pond on a budget then this is the liner for you, it’s very thin! Professional can’t use them however, we prefer EPDM
@@ThePondAdvisorI am so very grateful you'd take the time to explain everything! If it took 20 minutes then great. It's totally worth it to me! And I'm also so very grateful for your willingness to answer all these comments! ThankYOU!
There are so many different ways to line ponds. This is good advice for anyone who is struggling to make a choice.
Yep, EPDM is the best choice
He did a great job lining everything up. Explanations seem solid and hold water.
Glad it was helpful!
live in a country where EPDM is a very new thing. i guess i gotta use some sort of fabric to ease the load of gravel on the pvc liner.
Yes protection is key
Amazing and information-packed comprehensive video on the pond liners, thanks.
Thank you 🙏
Another great, informative video. Thanks Any Pond, The Pond Advisor.
Thank you,
Im working on a pond for my grandma's red eared slider (turtle) thats 6 foot by 9 foot and 3 feet deep with a shelf on the 6 foot side going an additional 18 inches back and 18 inches down for plants. Going to line it with 45 mil EPDM and was not aware i needed an underlayment. I have some 20 mil fiber reinforcement greenhouse plastic and was hoping it will work if I double it up.
This was a clear, informative, excellent video. Thanks!
Thank you 🙏
I’ve got a 6x4 foot pond and the cost of an Edpm liner was £100 so I went for a £30 HDPE liner instead.
Perfect for small ponds, a little harder to install however
Good advice mate
Thank you
Thank you for sharing your wisdom and expertise. What do you think about 60 mil liner?
Thick great on bigger applications with big rocks, but harder to install on smaller applications, not as flexible as the thinner.
Used cement on my pond. Had to many issues with liners. Thick wall of cement no worries 👍
Raised? Formal? What problems have you had?
@@ThePondAdvisor raised pond three different levels with waterfall it was far easier to shape the pond how I wanted it with cement and never have to worry about leaks and it looks really natural. I built the walls with stones and built a stone waterfall. I'm not saying liner is bad but for me personally it didn't work how I wanted it to. Cost me a lot for the liner but I'll use it elsewhere on other projects.
@@Crazyoldman84 thanks for sharing, so are the raised walls block and render, with a natural stone finish on the out side edges?
@@ThePondAdvisor yeah thick layer with reinforced concrete. 👍love the channel by the way.
Do you live in cold area where it might freeze during the winter? I heard with concrete, the repeated freezing and dethawing can actually cause cracks in concrete
Hi Mark. Is it possible to add a second pond above a first that overflows into the lower one without joining the two?
Yes, as long as you have a 6” drop/overlap into the bottom pond/pool
Make sure the top pool/pond is not to big, water in motion
I have what is known as Hard pan here in the USA. It holds water really well. Can I just dig my pond then just fill with water and skip a liner?
I want to put Koi, turtles etc in it.
I would always recommend digging a test hole, do you want clear water?
@@ThePondAdvisor we have had water in the area before. We want a bigger pond and are enlarging it now. I don't mind hazy water and will have a water feature that will move the water. But I was wondering if I had to have a liner. We didn't before and the water level statyed up
If you have soil that will retain water, you don't have to have a liner. If you're going to have koi, though, you probably won't see them often as they frequently stir up the bottom and your water will be silty.
You don’t need a liner per say if your have dug a test hole and left it for 18 months. You can cover the base with fabric and create an ecosystem pond with rocks and gravel, intake bay and wetland filter to reduce the silt. Coloured carp are easy to see when on the surface in most lakes.
@@TylerTervooren thank you.
Very helpful and informative, cheers.
Oh man, where can I get a Pond College beanie?
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What about HDPE (High Density Polyethylene)? I didn't hear anything about that in the video.
If your build huge lakes then this comes into play
Dig a hole. Put liner in hole. Pour concrete. Put rock and bog zone where you like. Liner is protected by concrete and concrete doesn't need to be water tight or crack proof.
We use to do this but you don’t need to cover EPDM with concrete.
@@ThePondAdvisor
I'm not taking chances on a leak from a crack. Thanks for the reply.
@@ThePondAdvisor What if you have like deer and bears getting into the pond and potentially puncturing it?
@@Gigi-xr3qscover the liner, skin or the pond, or water proof bag, I would use a 250 gram geo on top plus rocks and gravel. If you have high traffic from these animals use more protection concrete cloth or wire can be also used
@@ThePondAdvisor Thanks for the response. I am thinking I will use the liner, and then slowly coat it with concrete over the course of a few days. Thanks.
Whats evap rate on a pond in arizona?
Is epdm available in india bro?
I would guess so, is world wide, Firestone Pond Liner
@@ThePondAdvisor thanx
Iv had a 10 x 11m at 3m deep swimming pool iv dug it in my blue clay garden in England. Iv given up on it after 2 years as it loses water and iv now given up as keep filling it messes up the water quality.
Over 3k im being quoted just for supply of a linner for it 😔
That’s quite a sizable chunk of rubber. In terms of waterproofing, 1mm of rubber is equivalent to a 1-meter thickness of clay.
If I buy a 22 inch waterfall filter spillway. How wide should my liner be to fit that size spillway? Thanks in advance ☺️
Waterfall and stream liners can change with the shape and the size of the rocks. My stream liners are 8’ by 10’ or 10’ wide
@@ThePondAdvisor Thank you...
How do you feel about lldpe liners
Hi im going to build a new pond appox 8m x 5m x 2m deep and i would like to concrete over The liner then build a wall on the concrete so i can then stone face the wall. So my question is can i concrete over epdm or pvc and which would be the best Thanks
EPDM
Hi Mark,
Some great content throughout your videos, thank you.
It s been really interesting to watch and learn from your videos for the past 3 years, super friendly for newbie’s.
My pond is 4 years old now, a 2x4m and is layered with a cheap PVC, now leaking after the spring cleaning, will be installing EPDM liner. Can I still layer it over the PVC liner or should I remove it prior ?
What is the best option
Depends our liner of choice for most applications is 1mm EPDM Firestone Rubber
What about ldpe liner you might of said it but might of missed it
Great for very large projects
@@ThePondAdvisor thankyou for the reply
Excellent video!!
Thank you very much!
will a 20 mil lldpe pond liner last to use it as a tarp for a boat?
short term maybe
Thanks
Hi, what is the best pond overlay and where to get it, seems a lot harder to find than underlay. We have a raised pond, with a waterfall to a shallow wildlife pond, which will have pebbles and risk of kids walking in it!! Was wondering about an underlay under the pebbles to protect it even further than the underlay and liner. Using 1mm firestone liner.
As long as the underlay is aquatic safe it can be used on top of the liner.
waterfeature.shop/search?q=Overlay
@@ThePondAdvisor Thank you so much, really appreciate the reply...
@@ianjlockwood my pleasure
Any ideas about a round pool liner?
If i'm digging a wildlife pond in a field with a high water table, would you go with epdm over an underlay? No introduced fish, no filter, no pump
Great question, I would use underlay, after digging test holes for 12 months or more. Summer levels could be totally different to current water level
@@ThePondAdvisor I see! There is no chance I would get away without the epdm with just underlay? I suppose it depends on the results of the test holes. Will start digging!
@@Edward_Joseph_ EPDM is the same water proofing as 1m of blue clay! If you have clay you might be lucky then underlay will be good!
cool, i guess buying the bentonite clay would be a lot cheaper than buying the epdm 😎
@@Edward_Joseph_ sorry I did not make myself clean. One meter of clay is the thickness not the same 1mm thick like rubber so no if your buying the clay you would need a lot of bags “1m3” of clay instead of 1m2 of rubber.
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Is 1 mil pond liner sufficent. I live in Germany and hoping to finish of new pound this summer
Yes you can protect it both above and below and then add gravel. You can even drive machinery on this liner when protected enough
15 ton rocks are placed on EPDM on a daily basis
Protected of course
Can i use EPDN liner for a pond size 400' x 150 ' x 15' ?
Yes that’s what I would recommend
EPDM Pond Liner or HDPE Liner: High-density polyethylene (HDPE) which are known for their chemical resistance and toughness. They are often used in industrial applications and landfills. The down side on smaller projects is it’s harder to install
Hello! Please could you suggest a way of lining a galvanised water trough. KR
I take it it does not hold water? Can it be patch welded? We have not had to repair any I am guessing fibreglass or rubber paint
LPDE POND LINERS
These liners have your vote for garden ponds?
Oops. Looks like only half the text went through. What do you think of LPDE pond liners.
@@annefricker8474 If you want to make a simple pond on a budget then this is the liner for you, it’s very thin! Professional can’t use them however, we prefer EPDM
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Really bro ? 20 mints to tell me which is better ? I'll forget why I cane here in 20 minutes, short informative and sweet , thx anway
Thanks for watching what you did, 3 seconds EPDM with 20mins of information from 3 decades of experience
@@ThePondAdvisorI am so very grateful you'd take the time to explain everything! If it took 20 minutes then great. It's totally worth it to me! And I'm also so very grateful for your willingness to answer all these comments! ThankYOU!
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