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In the most recent podcast with actor, comedian, and podcaster Russell Brand, he and Dr. Peterson discuss the often asked titular question, delving deeper into what makes things feel real, where postmodernists go wrong, and the pact made within the New Testament.
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My parents went through an ugly divorce when I was a teenager, it changed my life, I was alone, and I blamed everybody, even God through my 20s and early 30s. Then as I got older I realized God was with me the entire time and got me where I am today. Nobody is perfect but Jesus. I read the bible and it changed my life forever.
Exactly. I feel the same. I was just looking the other way but he didn't give up and finally I listened.
The last time I "prayed" I asked God to bring my brothers and I together after my parents divorced and we all separated. I saw my brother the following week on his death bed. Never will I open that connection again.
Same. I should have gone to hell but He decided to rescue me! 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
You changed your life not god😂
@@susantharathnayake5075 That’s your opinion but it isn’t fact. God does change lives but He doesn’t do it if He isn’t invited.
"The 👑GREATEST MAN in HISTORY"
had no servants, yet they called Him Master. Had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He did not live in a castle, yet they called Him Lord, He ruled no nations, yet they called Him King, He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today!
"His name is JESUS❤"
Yes, Amen!!!
Nice, in the spirit of “That’s my King”, from L.M. Lockridge
lol...Never existed...Grow up...
Jesus = Lucifer = Satan...
Easter Mass at the Vatican:
Et in odórem suavitátis accéptus,
supérnis lumináribus misceátur.
The order was accepted,
heavenly luminaries.
.
Flammas eius LÚCIFER matutínus invéniat:
Flaming LUCIFER who finds mankind;
ille, inquam, LÚCIFER, qui nescit occásum.
Christus Fílius tuus,
I say O LUCIFER, who will never be defeated.
Christ is your Son, who came back from Hell;
.
qui, regréssus ab ínferis, humáno géneri serénus illúxit,
et vivit et regnat in sæcula sæculórum.
shed his peaceful light and is alive and reigns in the world without end.
@@godbluffvdggMeds. Take them.
Thank you, I wrote it down. All glory to Almighty God in the highest 🙏
The scripture comes to mind, lean, not on your own understanding, but on every word that comes out of the mouth of God… We as Christians wear ourselves out, trying to do things that God has told us he has already taken care of… Paul went away for years after he was saved (receive God as his saviors)so that God could tutor him personally… I hope both of you get the chance to do that
Why do you feel the need to identify as a member of a religious sect for your person? Have you no inherent personal value?
You may need to read some more books.
When I read the Talmud, the Bible and then the Qur'an, I think I wet myself laughing . . .
This is now, not the early Bronze age.
Paul was unique
"So because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth."
Yeah I think a lot of people seem to be misunderstanding that he believes when he does not seem to from what I can gather.
Yup. Bad news for most of our religious leaders....
@@DeepFriedChumChum be ashamed. Its none of your business.
This passage has come up a few times lately. Would anyone like to elaborate how they feel it relates to this video?
He clearly does not and always answers this question with Double speak. Directly answered the question interview and said he would never convert because he "likes to live on the boundary of things"
Random interviewer: “Do you believe God is real?” JBP “It depends on what you mean by ‘God’, and what you mean by ‘real’.
LOLOL
It is funny since JBP can't stand postmodernism. But when it comes to God he has quite the postmodernist way of thinking.
So damn pedantic
Peterson and Brand engaging in pseudo intellectualism . No different than what you might receive from Deepak Chopra.
@@JozeemossMy opinion is that he doesn’t believe in God but he doesn’t want to say that outright because he knows his base.
@@Ter9393 🤷♂️ could be
Jordan is avoiding the question by making it unnecessarily abstract. did an eternal being that is outside of time space and matter create time space and matter.
Yeah, the question needs to be something like that. You need to take it outside of the abstraction.
Exactly
You don't get it, your mind is not as open, he can't answer because there is no answer, only questions to that exact question.
@@akivirus7020 so the answer is no
@@Tr1Hard777 There is no answer, but sure you can put it like that
When it comes to dodging the question of God's existence or his own personal religious beliefs, Jordan is an Olympic gold medalist.
And a gaslighter. To tell people they dont know what they are asking is gaslighting.
Russell Brand is one of the most exciting people on social media, right now. The reason: He is on a journey (and it's very public).
Discussing Scripture & extracting spiritual messages is quite different than publicly exposing
private beliefs.
@@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc You've not quite caught my drift, but I gave you a thumbs up anyway!
I'm following him on IG and it's pretty refreshing how Russell presents his journey. As a Christian myself I'm learning and picking up recommendations from him too, it's cool :3
Yeah, a raping journey.
@@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc
It it almost impossible to share an authentic opinion on almost any topic, without revealing at the very least, clues to who you are, and hence what you believe.
The greatest Poets reveal their deepest thoughts and emotions through their words.
Have you ever prayed for strangers that are just busy doing their own thing and they have no idea that you're praying for them? It feels so wonderful. You can feel the Holy Spirit moving through you and it is great !
All the time 😊
If is just you that feel better and only change your life not any other, it's that good will or just selfishness?😅
@@JoaoPereira-kv3nw it's all intent. Also are you doing it for you or for them...
Doctor Peterson always has the snappiest suit😂 and amazing insights
Extremely appropriate Peterson style, iconic even in the clothing 😊🌟🌟
Who shot the couch?
@@mattdobbs-dr2rt 😂
I'd love to see a close up of that suit 🤩
Orthodox christianity art style @@cynthiagonzalez658
I think Jordan Peterson was one of the biggest proponents to Russell Brand finding Christ.
And me and most of us
We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.
We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.
We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.
The thousands PRAYING for Russell is the biggest reason, but people always want to credit man instead of the Holy Spirit.
I never understand why Jordan insists on being such a Sophist in regards to the question of if God is real or not. It seems like there are many ways one could pose the question to get at the root of what people are asking. For example, one could ask “is God real in the sense that he has his own thoughts that no one knows about?”. I have to believe Jordan knows exactly what people mean when they ask if God is real, and it is something more like this question. Just answer the question and be brave enough to handle how your audience is going to react either way. “I don’t know” is also a fine answer, but stop pretending like you have no idea what people are asking or as if the questions is meaningless.
And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.
Quran
@@247artsnsourcing6 as told by an Arab slave owner, polygamist warlord. top notch source
@@247artsnsourcing6
You have been fooled.
Sorry !! You have certainly got the story backward. Whoever told you that is in worse trouble than you.
Believe me Now, you can thank me later.
No one knows when our time is up.
You probably already know this.
Sorry !! That's all I can do for you.
Don't forget ! I warned you ! Good Luck !!
I think his meta-story of evolution (regardless of it's reality) gets in the way of tackling more important things. I see this in a lot of intellectuals whom I admire. Survival really isn't everything - it is a barrier, imo. LOL, try saying THAT very loud as a public intellectual!
I know that often when I asked people, "What do you mean when you say that?", I probably already get their drift. I'm just making them say their stupid idea out loud for the benefit of anyone listening, particularly themselves.
I love how Dr. Peterson is constantly growing, probing, asking questions, exploring. It warms my heart to see him being drawn to religious topics, Christianity specifically. What a journey. From an atheist to a man of faith (that I think he is slowly becoming) through curiosity and reasoning.😊
He has been a Christian doing religious videos on Christianity for as long as he has been on UA-cam. Decades at least
It would be nice if he would anser a simple question.
BTW, That jacket is 🔥
He has quite an eclectric fashion sense!
🤔
Which one? I was getting lost in JPs jacket, then Russell's appeared on my screen! Lol yikes!
Saw him on tour a few weeks ago for the We Who Wrestle With God Tour... he wore it there too. It's a wonder to behold.
He's channelling Joseph?
I am a living miracle Christ has chosen to keep me alive for his purpose alone
Y sucks for those kids who died of cancer, lucky you
I have always loved everything Jordan has to say but at this point I’m like - fish or cut bait Jordan. Take the leap of faith. Jesus is Real. He is the God of the Universe! You’ve seen Him as a king in your dream to whom all other kings bowed. Take a leap of faith.
I call this movement that Jordan has mostly led "Christ adjacent" as opposed to "Christ centered." He's very close, but still so far away, because the very thing that draws him closer to God (his philosophical mind) keeps putting up a barrier that prevents him from taking the last step. He spends 10 minutes rambling to say "I don't know." His mind can't get out of the way to let his heart take over.
So true… he babbles and rambles endlessly… bless him. Most of the time he makes no sense…
Speaking as a christian myself, never understood this "heart" thing. Sounds like a another case of the hyper-emotionalism that is found is american protestantism.
We live in a time period where you can't merely "believe by heart" (whatever that exactly means). That's a luxury we do not have anymore. We live in a secularized world where religion is now a separate domain (vaguely anyway). You have to actually know what you believe and why, everything must be spelled out and deliberate. You need to have a rational faith (not rational-ism).
@@drooskie9525Romans 10:9-10
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Peterson is not a minister of the church. 😶👉 It doesn't fool anyone, it is luminous and essential in the 21st century. He has told society what no minister or philosopher had the courage and simplicity to say and make clear. Now they demand something from you, Christian?😶
@@elibaker8849 That's not explaining what it means to "believe in your heart". Nor does it demonstrate what the tension is between the "philosophical mind" and the "heart" that the OP mentioned.
As much as i enjoy Jordans work, i really do wish he would answer the questions asked or just simply say i dont want to give my views on that, because at the moment every answer becomes a story.
Because he has no clue what he’s talking about…
@@reginamemoriesforever-vc8qlthat sounds agreeable
@@reginamemoriesforever-vc8qlBecause people learn better through parables. Stories are powerful devises for opening understanding. He is actually an amazing teacher.
He definitely dropped the ball here, tbh it was ridiculous. Blah blah blah blah....
He says that because it's a dumb gotcha question. I have heard him say that the people asking him most often really mean something along the lines of, "Do you believe in a garden gnome who lives in the sky and runs the world?" Because that's usually what so many, for lack of a better word, non-believers tend to mean by that question.
I have also heard him say that God is the spirit of the Divine that always motivates you toward heaven and away from hell, torque good and away from evil, toward productiveness and away from waste, toward love and away from hate. How's that for a definition?
Absolutely without any doubt I believe in God
You can believe.. but that doesn’t make it true.
No proof what so ever
@@Erik-op2hy No proof what so ever? There are many historical pieces of evidence about Jesus and early Christian events like Noah's Ark. Now whether you take it as human history or Christian history that's up to you. I would just posit that you take into consideration how many extremely intelligent scientists who unravel the worlds mysteries become Christian and why that happens.
Christ is King
@@Erik-op2hy And you can deny that God exists but that doesn't make it true. Us children of God KNOW He exists. I feel sorry for people like you.
@@JCIK2311 prove it
"The post-modernists are nutso!" *Proceeds to offer a post-modernist reading of reality*
Jordan Peterson essentially makes a utilitarian argument for God.
So narrow minded and honestly disrespectful…
Is that such a bad thing though?
That’s funny. I think in a way you’re right, but I think he also goes deeper than that. He seems to look at the universe as a forum for all, including what we call the supernatural. We just call it supernatural because we aren’t in a position to judge what is natural and what isn’t on the scale that a divine consciousness. Not sure I made any sense there, but I really do enjoy Jordan’s attempt to look at things purely from a grounded standpoint and work from there to comprehend the patterns and characteristics of reality. It makes things a lot easier for me to accept versus a bunch of touchy-feely talk.
@imperator6910 Yes that’s a horrible thing. It continues in the western demon of pride where man places himself at the top of the world and builds knowledge from the ground up filtering all concepts through his sense of pragmatic use as he strives towards babellian control over nature. It’s deeply luciferian
He doesn't believe in god tho. He believes in the traditional benefits that such spirituality construes.
It's really not as difficult as you make out to be Dr Peterson. Christ is all about simplicity. God is real! He came for me some years back and He's coming for you too, just like he has for Russell. Nobody can escape the tender love of our Beloved Saviour. God bless
of course believing in God is all about simplicity, that's the exact reason, ignorance. Not being mean, but is true, is not a simple question like "Do you like X thing" you know, if i ask you, "Explain how God works and why is real", you have no real answer other than subjective opinons and biased personal experiences. Still, i love the positve idea of God but its not as simple
1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, “He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness.”
He uses the foolish to confound the wise❤
Why? Has he time on his hands?
This sounds like a religious person telling a peasant not to think, or a slave not to think.
This is dangerous. It is slave mentality and asks you to submit. Be a man!
God hides in simplicity. Away from the "wise and the prudent". Being a follower of Christ (Christian) is not an intellectual endeavour because if you can EXPLAIN everything then you don't need FAITH. And without FAITH, it's impossible to please God! Hebrews 11:6
@@MakingItwithDee I do like Jordan. He is a force for good in this world.... but, and now I am psychoanalysing a psychiatrist, his defence mechanism is his intellect. I imagine if he read this comment, which I doubt he would, his brain would automatically create a witty rebuttal and take down. I see a man full of fear and his intellect is what protects him. Fear of letting go and letting God. Jordans classic response to belief in God is something akin to "Who dares say that they believe in God ? because if you truly believed you would act like it. " This is not a direct quote but a janky summary... Anyway, the point is belief in God requires a level of surrender, vulnerability and humility that Jordans intellect doesn't permit him to have. But his wife has it in spades and he knows it! I wonder what would happen if Jordan tru;ly got down on his knees and said " Right, here I am, if you are there God then I surrender myself to you'. But I struggle to see him doing that because he wants it all figured out first and his fear of not truly acting as if he believed is too great. Anyway, now I am at risk of over intellectualising and I am not an intellectual lol
@@Nat1videos”You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder.“
James 2:19
JORDANS JUST ACTING LIKE JAMES LIKE…
James is saying wow you want a pat on the back for saying u believe in God?? Even the DEMONS believe and tremble😂
It’s our hearts God examines. I admire Jordan because he knows it’s not just about saying “I believe in God”. He actually is helping do a deed of bringing naive Christian’s attention to this. And BACKING your faith with understanding of what you’re professing. BY LIVING IT OUT.
I really think you should self reflect because you’re judging, and God judges us according to how we judge. He is a man who has continually had a mob of people trying to hate, defame, sue, take away his license, bc he’s surrendered to God (the way the truth). He’s truly suffered with Christ enough to have a judgmental a Christian like you get annoyed cus he’s not doing it the way you like. Like just pray for the man and move on like please I’m so sick of Christian’s who love to point out the speck in another eye just cus they don’t conform to what you think a Christian should look like. Irks me. But friend there is no condemnation for those in Christ so there’s none for you just tell God and repent.
There’s literally a video of him crying on the internet about how he believes in Christ you should give it a search.
The question "What is real?" presupposes reality. If you're going to say "What is...?" you're assuming that the "is" of the question - the fact of it having _being_ is already understood and not dependent on further elaboration. Some things are *_self-evident_* and if we don't start by admitting that, then we shouldn't bother to try to address anything of a factual nature. To call into question reality or ontology is to employ an irrational degree of skepticism about the content of our thoughts. When Dr. Peterson succumbs to that kind of deconstruction, he ends up sounding a lot like the postmoderns he tends to decry.
Is
And
Real
Are identical concepts. You are being a pedant.
@@Reiman33 Exactly. If you ask something about "is" you're admitting that real exists and you know what it means. Philosophy requires us to be precise or we shouldn't attempt it, especially in front of an audience.
I can't help but point out the irony of this comment given that the name that was said to be given to Moses for God is I am or to be therefore "is"
On any other topic, you are 💯% correct.
but on this one, I'm not certain. It is like meeting yourself before you are born.
Any authentic conversation specifically about the Highest must be complicated, or it is not Real. There's that word.
@@BrianHoldsworth
2 things: When then president Clinton was being questioned by Jim Lehrer about the Monica debacle, he said "there IS no improper relationship".
1. "It all depends upon what is - is" lol.
2. A Great Philosopher once said: "if its hard to do, do it anyway ! Do it poorly the first time, work on it ! You will do it better next time, keep at it."
❤🙏✝️💪All glory to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Ain't they all the same dude?
@@godbluffvdgg Separate persons who all share the same divine essence.
@@FULLAWESOMENESS12 close enough
he taught some people morality. let us who believe continue praying for those who are unable to believe.
@@terry63lee What you say is contrary to the gospel. We are called to proclaim the truth whenever and wherever. A part of this is teaching correct theology.
It sounds to me like he understands the importance of God but cannot bring himself to believe. That's why he always prevaricates when confronted with this question.
Has Jordan interviewed Hugh Ross (the astrophysicist)? He really should.
i second that. that would be a great conversation for sure.
I see Dr. Peterson as a very fruitful man of faith. I would've loved to have had a mentor like him.
Man of faith? Faith in what exactly?
Faith in Elohim, the creator of the heavens and earth
@@TheTowertimeyoure joking right?
@@CausedBlessings why do you ask? Do you have proof he is not showing=exhibiting fruit of the spirit?
@@TheTowertime the proof is this very video, if someone asks , “Is God real?” You dont avoid the question and change the subject. I real man of God would proclaim his belief in an all mighty powerful God.”
Now its possible you and JP serve a different God, not the God of Abraham.
If thats the case than sure, who am i to question his faith in his own god.
Sacrifice is giving up the comfort and wellbeing of one self for the benefit and wellbeing of another. In other words, to deny one self for another. This is one of the highest acts of love and was displayed in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ
I absolutely love Jordan Peterson so don't get me wrong here when I criticize, but the same way this question bothers JP is the way his response to this question bothers me. I believe there is a time to not answer a question and to make a point, and there is a time to just answer what people mean by the question. Maybe there is a better way to formulate the question, but to get the question formulated perfectly would be difficult for the average person. I believe JP knows what people mean when they ask this question, but he seems to refuse to answer the question that is intended to get at. I think someone needs to push him on this, someone with an intelligence that matches his so he can be challenged to ask himself this question honestly. Perhaps the question should be formed like this...
Do you believe the being which Christian's describe as God exists? In other words, is "that which nothing greater can be found" exists in such a way that God is cognizant, personal, and intentional, thus creating and governing the universe in an intelligent, ordered and good manner such that all things truly will work out to his inevitable, good purposes. Another way for him to face this is he could read Anselm's writings in Prosologion and Monologion and ask, do I agree with him?
In my experience, Jesus of Nazareth is real because he was the emobidment of God during his time on Earth and was resurrected after he was crucified. When you seek Jesus, you will find him, as I did. When you ask Jesus he will answer and when you knock on the door of Christianity, it will open!
If you seek you will find door #1, if you ask Him you will be given, if you knock He will answer and tell you that you have the wrong address lol
You cannot come to Christ and find yourself in the wrong place or address .
"I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life" - said Christ.
Christ is all 3.
He is the route/path.
He is
the destination.
He is the reward/satisfaction.
His definition of God is interesting… but it is not what most people mean when they talk about God..
I wish Jordan wasn't so slippery with his answer on believing in God. He knows what we mean by real. Just give an answer then explain it. He's just refusing to give an answer.
Exactly!
If his idea of God is different no problem, but to tell people they don't know what they mean by the question they are asking is gas lighting.
Exactly! If his idea of God is different then no problem, but to tell people they dint know what they are asking is gas lighting.
The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord. He is very real.
Spot on!!
Orginal Hebrew is not the English word of 'Fear' but much different.
@@delvingeorge2807 yes,but it is the concept of enlightment , an understanding of what we really need to fear , being faithfull to the covenant remains the beginning of wisdom.
Real means: Within reality. He is without reality. Meaning on the outside of all of it.
So He is definitionally not "real" even though He exists.
Jesus is Real. And is the Son of the Father, the Word made Flesh.
But a subtler understanding of the trinity means that even though Jesus Is God made Flesh. And He and the Father are One, that does not mean THE FATHER in all of HIS GLORY is "Real". Because THE FATHER has never lighted on the Earth or within his 3D spacetime other than in the flesh of the Son, or through Angels, whos bodies are subtle (literally hallucination that is what subtle body means and hallucinations aren't "real" either).
@@Reiman33
This is not true. When Jesus resurrected from the dead. The tomb was empty. Meaning his body is still intact. He is real.
«Sin is not ended by multiplying words, but the prudent hold their tongues.»
Proverbs 10:19 NIV
So many words. He (Jordan) is afraid of speaking plainly and straight forward, maybe afraid of being labeled. That’s understandable, but also a sign that he might not have been born again and renewed and regenerated by the Holy Spirit. The word of God says: «And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.»
Hebrews 11:6 NIV
Amen! Dr. Peterson is so near the truth I think part of it is he has bought the lie of works based salvation.
Ephesians 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Faith first why? Faith is a word that postmodernism has redefined. When you look at what Faith used to mean it makes more sense. The english word Faith comes from the Latin word Fidelis translated means loyal, trustworthy, truthful. Loyal trust doesn't mean anything if it isn't found in the truth!
John 8:32 the truth shall make you free
This is why faith comes first. If your loyal trustful works are done blindly it is pride the cardinal sin. If your loyal trustful works are done in truth it is true faith.
This is what Protestants mean when they say saving faith and not of works because saving faith: (loyal trust to the truth) produces works. And most importantly if faith:(loyal trust to the truth) comes first it insures that your works done in the right direction!
Protestants absolutely believe in works just not before faith the order matters!
Excellent!!! Well said!!! ❤️🔥 Jordan P should procure silence and inner retreat instead of constantly airing his overthinking on UA-cam and falling into confusion… Actually he makes an utilitarian argument for the existence of God Almighty which I find quite disgusting, distasteful and disrespectful, in all honesty. He is not helping with his nonsensical psychological jungian verbiage
Jordan can never just answer a question🤣🤣🤣 I will never get these 9 minutes back smh
Not understanding g the answer is not the same thing as not having received one.
Amen!!
I love Jordan, but I am not at all convinced he believes in God. I believe he substitutes the word "God" as a metaphor for very real things, like the consequences of the future, or the most ideal person in a community; but I'm still not convinced he believes in a God in the sense that most religious people do. Convince me otherwise.
@@John-zj9ur there is a clip of him where somebody specified the question so Jordan couldn't take the "what do you mean by real" escape and he answered no.
I long for the days of Christopher Hitchens where an intellectual answered questions succinctly, concisely & logically.
~ Hi.
What isn't " God " or the " completing eternal "? " It " is everything, everywhere, all the time. No " belief " is needed. Thank you for the beginning, thank you for the middle and thank you for the end.
That is called pantheism. It's actuall evasion to acknowledge God as being
This is correct, all words are noise we make to satisfy ourselves that ultimately cage us. You couldn't be separate from all that is even if you wanted to... you can't put a brand on eternity or encapsulate it under an identity.
There is a story of a buddha figure answering this question much more simply while at the same directing the questioners to seek the answer(s) for themselves...
When asked twice by two different people "does god exist?" he answered yes to the first and no to the second... leaving them both bewildered and confused and more importantly wishing to seek the summit of knowledge themselves that such contradicting answers could be conceived. A person unable to apprehend reality transcendent of dualistic thinking cannot apprehend reality itself. The point being-why ask whether something within the conscious context of a false reality is indeed real? At this point it doesn't matter. What matters is experiential self-knowledge to its end.
Reality shines forth by its own accord in our individual consciousness in its own time. The right effort or attention is needed for this. "Who am I?" is the question to be genuinely contemplating. That is the road to the truth, that is the road to the "real."
Oh, wow. I’ve been waiting for these two to have this conversation. And, I’m not disappointed. This is going to be a fun listen on the couch later.
They’ve interacted multiple times.
Jordan believes in ancient mythological stories which he believes are spiritually inspired with deep meaning for humans. This is what I believe, he believes in a nutshell.
I don't believe he believes in the 'literal' Bible stories as presented, otherwise, he would say so. He very carefully chooses his words because I believe that he believes FAITH is really important for humanity. After all, HOPE is all some people really have, so he can't just say what I said without offending folks that follow him.
He wants the best for humanity at the end of the day.
Ancient mythological writing has some of the best wisdom that stands the test of time, so I understand why he loves it.
Well said.
Exactly, but religious people misinterpret and misunderstand what he is trying to delineate. Just look at the comments. They think the he is a classical Christian.
Believes? Or knows. Deep thought will always find the rational answer when empowered by the knowledge that their is only one truth and it is both simple and complexed depending on your perspective.
Genesis 6 is the scriptural basis for those who believe that many of the ancient mythological stories were based on real events.
Being Predaluvian, and although they have disappeared, these Mighty men of yore: have been given their place in history by the Holy Scripture no less.
It appears that Certain extra rules were instituted, and punishment applied to offenders, as this has not occurred since the flood.
It is a facinating study, and provides avenues for answers to questions that were previously gordian knots.
The fact that Norse, Greek, and Roman mythology, all had similar stories but different names, gives one: reason to consider what could possibly be the catalyst for such coincidences
I think he is very much like Jung in that way.
Simple and straightforward question.
Peterson: "dEpEnDs wHaT yOu mEaN bY rEaL"
Yea that bugs the ever living crap out of me. Just answer the question with one word. He’s using all of his intelligence to avoid answering the question.
It's not even analytical enough. What God means is even more important, and the tougher one to really answer.
@@wcm8909 I think he's basically an agnostic who admires Christianity, same as me, but he's too drunk on archetypes and can't give a simple 'I don't know' answer.
I mean is this even real? What's ones definition of real? This 3 dimensional space we perceive is real to you? Is GOD a 3 letter word? Lol
@@traviscrouch6790 you try to present yourself as to have some sort of transcendent understanding, yet your a fool.
I lost my Job in 2023 and Started this UA-cam channel to move forward in life. Hope I will Make it and Wish me good luck brothers ❤️
You can do it! 💪🕊️🙏❤️
You got it man. Just keep going
Praying for you, my friend. 💛
The term “BROTHER” implies equality.
How can a member of the Holy Priesthood (THE World Teacher Himself, in my particular case) and a mere worker be equals?
I am your master, NOT your 'brother'.
Therefore, Slave, whenever you send me a message or reply to my comments, it is imperative that you address me accordingly.
For example, “How are you, Master?”.
Is that FULLY understood, Slave?
How is this relevant to this video? Please don't spam
Only JP could make RB struggle with abstract concepts like this - fun to watch.
I don't think he was struggling with much more than, "I think you know already.". Some things aren't conducive to words.
Brand is geeked tf out lmao. How is anyone listening to this and pretending that either person is making sense smh.
The ‘God’ of modernity is identity, exactly the opposite of sacrificial love.
my two favorite voices in the world right now! Their conversations are so civil and really able to compound off of one another for pure benefit and intrigue. I love when these two have discussions.
Your “favorite voice” is a rapist?
I need to know what that jacket has on it. Looks like art! Now on to the convo.
Larry Alex Taunton did a great podcast on JP's Christianity views. I highly recommend it.
There comes a point when one must decide.
Great resources to find the Catholic answer to your questions about the Triune God is the Baltimore Catechism #3 and 4. Another great book is: This is the Faith and Radio Replies. Most of these books are available on Amazon. I hope this helps as it has helped me.
Lmao that was one of the funniest, raw reactions / Russell Brand moments I’ve ever witnessed..
*JBP goes on epic rant* with 17 profound points nested within 47 other profound subpoints, and then the conversation turns to Russel and, probably feeling the enormity of what JBP just communicated starts his response with a very raw, very honest, terrified-with-a-pinch-of-exhilaration, while face to face with bloody modern day Socrates..
*Good God..* 😂🤣 5:43
That’s probably how Socrates’ students felt/reacted back in antiquity when Socrates would drop some just naasty, redaankulous, str8-up-atomic wisdom bombs during lunch hour, then turn to young Atticus while he dips his bread in his oil, and feeling the enormity of what Socrates just laid out is like bruh..
*Good God* 👀😶🤣
Im a christian. Love both you guys but I have no idea what yous were on about.
This 9 minute video could have been shortened down to.... Yes. No need to complicate things. 😉
Listening to these gentlemen gracefully converse about faith is like listening to a beautiful piano(Jordan) and cello(Russell) sonata.
All due respect Dr. Peterson, not all protestant believers simply believe accepting Christ is enough.. The area in which I was raised believe that Full Water Baptism is absolutely necessary and that " Faith without Works is dead". It takes moving toward what God has deemed as Good and Necessary for the representation of him as our Father .
I heard someone recently ask Jordan how you get to the Kingdom of God, and he couldn't answer it. Folks, Jordan has not believed the gospel message according to the scriptures yet, he is not born again. What he is doing is pschoanalyzing the scriptures by the ideas of mankind. He is actually misinterpreting the bible a lot. The veil still remains on His face and he can't see unless Jesus removes that veil. Don't rely upon Him for biblical advice. He does not have the Holy Spirit within Him. Yes, he is a brilliant man, but the scriptures are spiritually discerned according to the scriptures. You need to have "been born" again by God's power and given the Holy Spirit to be able to see properly. Jordan could not answer how you get to heaven, he stumbled and changed the subject. He isn't a believer at this moment, he is following an empty religion, like a lot were doing in the time Jesus walked the earth, and he corrected them a lot about it. Jesus told Nicodemus that you cannot enter the Kingdom of God, unless you are "born again". Jordan isn't, so it isn't wise to take advice from him on the bible.
And their is your tyranny.
I think this is part of a greater deception.
That's 9 minutes I'll never get back
"Leave the Skateboarders alone"
And you sat through all 9 minutes of it, in order to say, “That’s 9 minutes I’ll never get back.”
Obviously this topic or Dr. Peterson mean a great deal to you, or you wouldn’t have wasted 10 minutes of your time on it. Being accountable for oneself is a wonderful thing. I recommend it.
@@Ruby_Villain go clean your room fan boy
That's okay you can go hang out with Destiny on his stream😂 that's probably also what your mom said to your dad
You are a fool
May God Bless You!!!
coming from St. Louis, Missouri!
Jordan Peterson - a hero in our world ! Cannot wait to read your new book. (as I say this I also hope you get a true rest holiday soon as one feels you work to hard).
I love Jordan, but I am not at all convinced he believes in God. I believe he substitutes the word "God" as a metaphor for very real things, like the consequences of the future, or the most ideal person in a community; but I'm still not convinced he believes in a God in the sense that most religious people do. Convince me otherwise.
I love God so very much... with all of my heart, all of mind, and the all of my soul.
define god.
@@godbluffvdggFormless timeless spaceless ))
which one
@@godbluffvdgga man in heaven
@@godbluffvdggI respect Jordan Peterson and love his work, but man is this bullshit. Define real, define God, define this, define that... For fuck's sake this reminds of define woman. Same shit. Definition is simple. It exists and is there to be grasped. Physicist Robert Gentry proved more than 30 years ago, through Polonium halos that Earth's granite was created momentarily, just like Bible says.
Hello, thank you for another great video. Each video is a learning experience. I greatly enjoy. Appreciate everything you and your colleagues do thank you very much. Stay safe.👍🙏
i couldnt focus so i had to replay the whole video because jordans suit is so fireeeeeeeee!
God is the Creator of all things. When God created man, just by our DNA we would know how much God is real. We are different from animals, but even the animals have their own DNA on how God created them to as well.
You two are definitely if not the most intelligent people in this time right now
Who are allowed to speak. 😐
@@dirtdiggity1714 Good point!
Again, LOVE the coat. Also I love the way you speak, thank you for sharing your knowledge with the world. It's fascinating the depths of your study. Ty
Interesting this is episode 444. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" = 444 (Ordinal Gematria) A=1, B=2, C=3 and so on Z=26
I have no doubt! God is real and loving !!!!!
Like Jordan said, "what do you mean, "real"?
@@sithemperorpalpatine870 one man's reality is another man's lie. one man's trash is another man's treasure. a person could be hit by a semi-truck and call it a very "unreal" experience, but this doesn't mean that the accident didn't actually happen. the semantics of reality are a word game very similar to hopscotch. we never truly escape the power of gravity no matter how skillful we are at the game. this is the profundity of personal truths in contrast to universal truths. the more personal a truth is the more profound it is to the person who experiences it. personal truths are both the most painful and the most joyful because intensity is increased with proximity. no one else is closer to your own personal truth than you. and when you discover that there are others on the same radio frequency or psychic wavelength as you, even greater joy!
Luke 10:21 KJV - In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Matthew 18:3 KJV - And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
@@terry63lee I just know my experience.
That's why he created humans while knowing billions will burn forever. Literally worse than hitler lmao
Yes, Amen
I listened to this while listening to the Back to the Future theme and it made it so much better.
For thinkers and philosophers God is so far away in the sky, but for us layman God is always with us on earth.
We have been training our minds since childhood, changing is hard or not possible.
I prayed to god to be the wisest man on earth. Knowing I was not going to be the wisest. My inner voice told me to focus on reality. To make a long story short hardships and obstacles in life are growth opportunities. I would love to talk to you, Jordan Peterson. You are one of the people that helped me through this journey. But with all the comments pouring in, My comments probably will be buried.
I heard your comment. 💛
God is as real as we are , 💝💒
Its my experience that when people ask "Is God Real?" what they are actually asking is "Is God an individual being/entity?"
That is your view and you know what you mean.
For Peterson to tell people they dont know what they mean or what they are asking is gas lighting.
@@johnwheeler3071 But the OP's view is not my view. And that proves the point that Peterson makes. He isn't addressing your view or the OP's view when he asks the question. He is addressing 8 billion views on the very same topic. And 8 billion people have 8 billion different opinions about what the question "Is God real" actually means.
@@skyhawk_4526 To make my point clearer I have changed the question to a more specific question.
Christians most definitely know what they mean when they ask the question 'do you believe that Jesus physically rose from the dead'. Jordan Peterson most definitely knows what Christians mean when they ask him ' do you believe that Jesus physically rose from the dead'.
Regardless of what Jordans or anyone else's interpretation is of that narrative is beside the point as it is not a rhetorical question. It is a straight question that has only three possible answers which are, yes, no or not sure.
For Jordan to deny the straight question the Christian is asking is gaslighting.
To suggest the specific question, 'do you believe Jesus physically rose from the dead', is a question that only the person who is receiving the question gets to decide what that question actually means, is a blatant rejection of the core beliefs of Christianity. I find it sneaky that he is not crystal clear on this.
We need to admire the tailoring of that jacket. That is truely an art.
What people are really asking is "Do you think there is an afterlife?"
Yes god is to cope with mortality and theres prob something in human nature to create an hierarchy to abide to by establishing god as the highest being to that hierarchy. This creates cooperation and strong in-group mentality that allows for better competition vs other tribes.
Always thoroughly enjoy when these two get together
With all do respect, Dr. Peterson, I think you're making the question far more complicated than it actually is. You either have the right heart condition or not to know that God exist, paraphrasing but the bible says "the truth is not for everyone" and this applies to even the most genuine, honest and loving people in the world. Can we grow to understand him and know he exist? Absolutely, but once again, it all comes down to your heart condition.
1 Timothy 2:4 KJV - Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
My two favorite thinkers talking about God. Thank you God.❤
God is 100% Real. Praise God
Jordan Peterson... a man that loves to hear himself speak.
Sacrifice also has to do with wanting what is good for the other (as Bishop Barron talk about). Truly feeling joy and happiness from the joy, happiness, and well being of others even if it means sacrifice /inconvenience/difficulty for oneself.
The thing being sidestepped here (the question at the end) is requiring if a belief in a personal God. How can one omnipotent and omniscient want anything through which a contract can be made? The only thing an omnipotent being can't control, and therefore above all else value, is that which He willingly refuses to control: free will.
Praise the Lord for Russell Brands conversion. May many souls come to Christ through his conversion. God bless you both 🙏
Give it a rest
I CAN NOT WAIT for the day that JESUS CHRIST returns💯🙏
What exactly makes you so certain Jesus will return? I’m not bashing your religion I’m just interested in your certainty
My Short today covers this exact topic 🙏 Jung's serendipity aye?
@@bobbycigarillo...all you need to do is without any reference to the Bible at first study the factual history of Israel...and then if you still make this statement you are lying to yourself...
"Sacrifice is at the basis of community." This makes so much sense when you contrast that to short-term gratification being the basis of selfishness.
one of those phrases that's easy to say, but i'm not sure i can wholly agree with it. i am sure sacrifice might be a component of keeping in step with a community of others that is not originally set up to mirror self - but what else might be foundational drivers of community - such as fear, love, belonging, mission, joint purpose, aim and intention, emergence. i feel like his statement needs narrowing down e.g. what is "basis"?! and so on, and what communities does he have in mind? it's a broad word. maybe forgiveness come into it, or respect, or aware of self-limitations, or already having in-house Christian-type assumptions and POV, from where it's easy to leap to 'sacrifice'. might other cultures or ways say surrender? and try/hope to recognize that in others?
Another interesting talk. But my initial impression after looking at that jacket was Don Cherry is talking to us today.
absence of proof is not proof of absence
Prove it.
What ?
@@johnybravo1873 its not because there theres no proof of something existing that it confirms it doesnt exist
@@Alxmir23 What u say here its a sofism .
@@johnybravo1873 not really. its not a sophisme. and its not even a weird thing to say. its not because you cant prove something that it proves the opposites
He didn't make a single coherent statement.
Exactly! And I would add. If his idea of God is different then no problem, but to tell people they dont know what they are asking is gas lighting.
Question, genuine question. Is God the manifesting of the pre programmed highest self we have, qualities like humility, goodness, kindness, compassion, fairness, love. And so Jesus dying on the cross … is that a metaphor (I accept it really happened) but is that telling us that we need to be levelled, to be taken down to such a base level where we cannot do anything but seek more meaning and answers and attempt to be our best selves (that pre programmed true north a it were) and THAT is the way to God. God being the highest self, the obedience to that moral compass inside of us??
Everything I read in the Bible resonates on a profound level with what I can only describe as my soul. It feels like coming home. It feels right and peaceful. As though it’s talking to something in me that has been there all along but that I haven’t always taken notice of … and that I believe is where so many issues I’ve had stems from.
All this "depends on what you mean" stuff is grade-A dishonest sophistry to avoid answering questions, and more people need to call Peterson out on it. He knows EXACTLY what people mean when they ask him these questions. They quite simnply mean "what people commonly understand that question to mean". Just because you could somehow abstractly conceive of people meaning something else by the same set of words, it doesn't mean that you can just sp*rg out and refuse to answer the question straightforwardly. If he were to answer honestly, he would just tell you that no, he doesn't think God is real, he just approves of the idea as a useful metaphor for purely utilitarian, materialistic reasons. He's an atheist working within a social Darwinist framework, it's as plain as day.
Incredible mental gymnastics from Peterson a child could give a more reasonable answer and lm only 2 mins in
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Very interesting and insightful video. He explains how groups, group minds and communities, are held together through sacrifice for the greater good.
Dearest Dr. Peterson, it just came to me listening to this podcast, that you are an iconoclast.
When you say “It depends on what you mean by God” and “real” I think what you are saying is, There are many many many false gods in the world. Our Lord told us that many should come in His name saying, I am Christ, and would deceive many. And Lewis writes that we often place our ideas and our perceptions and our thoughts in place of God, and we worship them instead of God. He wrote, “I need Christ, not my idea of Him.” And you’re trying to get people to destroy those idols and know God.
And you’re just as popular as any iconoclast is. Puzzling how this works because one of your closest friends is an icon carver but, there it is.
As the space hippies said in a very old episode of classic Trek, “I reach.”
Love always from Ruth Anne
I wish you many blessings Jordan, you are truly an inspiration
Arohanui xx🥰🥰
Your students will wake up one day and be inexpressibly grateful to have been in your class Jordan Peterson !
I think that Dr. Peterson’s response is really just an expanded version of what I believe to be the reason many people say they don’t believe in God, which is they don’t want to be accountable. However, it’s not that Dr. Peterson doesn’t want to be accountable, he actually does and because he understands what it means to believe in God better than the majority of people, he wants to mean it before he says it so that his actions bear witness of his words. Which is not the case for many who say they believe.
If you were to build the perfect home/house, with ALL taken into consideration, how would you design, engineer and build that home if the only requirement was it had to be perfectly align with the sun according to something reasonablely proximititate to the placement of that home on Mother Gaia? Mentally or physically.