5 Investment Watches About to Blow Up
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- The world has gone nuts for watches, it seems, with a surprising number bucking a trend of decades and actually going up in value. We’re seeing more and more demand for particularly desirable timepieces, and more and more timepieces becoming particularly desirable. With the main culprits having long since left Earth’s orbit, where will the investor’s attention turn next? Here are five investment watches that I think will soon be headed for the moon.
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Audemars Piguet Code 11.59 15210BC.OO.A002CR.01
Patek Philippe Calatrava Travel Time 5524G-001
Vacheron Constantin Fifty Six 4600E/000A-B442
A. Lange & Söhne Odysseus 363.179
H. Moser & Cie. Pioneer Centre Seconds 3200-1200
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Lange Odysseus, a league on its own
I DO believe that- - A, Lange & Sohne now sit at the top table ahead of them all.
Watching this video while wearing my freshly rebuilt 1969 Seiko Lord Marvel with 36000 bph, 5740C movement. I'm sure no one back in the 70s thought it would hold a special place in someone's collection - yet here I am!
I have a 1967 Girard Perregaux Gyromatic Chronometer HF full set. One of less than 700 sold. Also 36,000 bph
My next watch will be a Lange, they are just so well finished. Great video!
German engineering!
I just bought my first. You won’t regret it :) nothing compares
Lucky you
Seiko is about my price rabge
@@richplant2205 it all comes in time!
Good luck getting that at retail now
A VC with a non-Geneva seal movement as an investment watch? That's rich.
Thank you for the post - always appreciate the effort put into these videos.
I missed a video like this! Thanks Watchfinder! Do it more often 👍🏼
The Odysseus was poised to blow up the moment it's announced - the 1st sports watch from everyone's favourite brand, plus extremely limited production, and it's looking fine too. It's an open secret that the Ody will go up in status more prestigious than RO and Nautilus, because of scarcity, pricing, function, and craftsmanship. Now how many people can capitalise that? The 0.1 percenters who are loyal clientele of Lange, it's like a reward from the brand, not dissimilar to the MAD 1.
Wish Grand Seiko shake things up. We want another watch crises
Whoa! A real revolutionary! But don’t look to Seiko. Look to Apple. Smart watches are your best hope for a revolution. Query: will the revolution be televised?!?!?
Excellent video!! I enjoy watching your reports. Your voice is always very pleasant to hear and follow..
1159 exists to show a sucker is born every minute
Was able to try on the A. Lange & Söhne in a Boutique when it just came out… fell in love… but even though I already own a pricey model (Grand Lange Mondphase, Pt), it seems I will never be on the list.
This is immensely frustrating… I wear my Grand Lange at every occasion because I love it. And the Odysseus would finally be a replacement for my daily watch (IWC Ingenieur).
I love watches and firmly believe that they should be worn & used, not locked away…
But that’s just my 2¢
Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?
@@thibaultbossert8863 nothing that special… and the big watch was paid for over the course of several years. But about every 5-10 years I indulge in a really nice watch. My car (diesel station wagon) is 8 years old, by the way & I plan on keeping it for at least 5 more… go figure
@@JB-zu2we you sound like a true, genuine watch enthusiast. it's folks like you the brands should be focusing their attention to. having said that, i truly hope you land the Odysseus one of these days.
@@sidesauce What you say is true.
But I still find it annoying that I was offered to “maybe” be put on a waiting list if I purchased a different watch which was available.
I do not have the resources to shell out 40.000$ just to “maybe” put on a waiting list…. While the same model is fairly easily available for wealthy collectors who just pop ‘em into the vault for safe keeping.
No lie, I was later informed (at a different A. Lange boutique…) that another interested customer was also unable to get an order through because his “history of purchasing” was not extensive enough… we’re talking 4 (!) A. Lange & Söhne watches…
Nobody is making any more, or less, money on the sale, since all dealers (in different countries and continents) have all maintained that they ask the official price. But adhering to these sales tactics just spoil everything for “the rest of us”.
I don’t know, maybe random allotments would be better?
I think you can be listee why wouldn’t you ? Or you didn’t buy the lange 1 in boutique ?
I don't know how you do it. Every video is as good if not better than the one that preceded it. Terrific. Thank you.
The cinematography is out of this world. Keep up amazing work! Pure class.
Watches mustn't be treated as Investments. Store of value, sure. This investment mentality is what has made collecting so much more difficult.
Facts
It’s all a bunch of B.S.!!! Hyped up absolute nonsense. It’s become a comedy. A bunch of people with mega wealth getting introduced to watches through Instagram and their next “must have” item, paired with flippers jumping on board, more hype from publications, industry hype, and sheep mentality. It’s come to be not fun anymore. I’m just waiting for these people to realize they’re holding hundreds of thousands of dollars of non-precious metal, overhyped steel wristwatches, and realize it’s relative junk compared to what they’re paying. Then the prices will come down to earth again. They will get bored and move on to something else. I have no interest in being screwed over at these prices. The day will come when you can buy a stainless Daytona at retail again. All bubbles burst. I’ve just taken a commitment to not making any more purchases until those days are here again. My collecting is on hiatus and I’m enjoying the collection I’ve built over the 12 years prior to 2018/2019 (beginning of absurdity).
Not sure that ''blow up'' is the happiest choice of words right now.
The date window on that VC could do with a border, some kind of metal edging like the Lange. Looks a little crude without one.
Another fantastic video. Loved it. Could you do some classic Breguet dress piece in the future?
So far there is no watch that can beat A Lang & Söhne in details.
Not hard to find in Independents.
I’m definitely not a watch expert, but from what I understand I would say that F.P journe give A Lange & söhne a run for their money
Here I thought Watchfinder was above the investment craze for watches. Shame.
Seriously? They’re a reseller. That is the whole reason they exist.
@@earlmale I shouldn't be surprised.
@@BB-gl7zt No, you shouldn't. We are merely cogs in the machine. Or, wheels in the train...
A watch is not, and never will be, an ‘investment.’ The only people that believe it’s an investment either A. Do not know the definition of investment, or B. Are attempting to make money from people by misleading about investing. Buying a watch hoping it will go up in value is speculation, not investing.
Well said.
A watch is an investment as far as a handbag is an investment.
Not all watches are investments, such as not all handbags are investments.
However, there are investment grade handbags such as the Hermes Birkin and Kelly. The same goes to watches, there are also investment grade watches as evidenced by the current market.
@@CYC_JP Does your Kelly earn an income? Look up greater fool theory while you're at it.
@@CYC_JP still not an investment. It's a speculation.
Please allow me to play the devil’s advocate here.
Please prove that Nike/Apple/Tesla stocks will go up/down. Any and all investments are speculation. Some are merely more educated speculations.
If we look at property as an investment, then 2008 was an absolutely horrible time to invest in a “solid & proven” investment.
I’m not trying to bash anybody’s opinion, nor diminish the very good point you’re tying to make. I’m only trying to show a different way of reasoning.
A Lange is such a beauty. It will be my retirement watch. Or I'll get a Glashutte Original and a splurge on a few European vacations.
A. Lange & Sohne maybe an excellent watch to invest in, because it appreciates significantly in value, but if I could afford to purchase one I would never see a return on that investment because I would never sell it. To sell something that represents such tremendous artistry and craftsmanship, for a profit, seems to be almost sacrilegious - like renting out the Sistine Chapel for a rave party because it is lucrative.
(Sixteen) I like the analogy...
Well said. However, I'd definitely attend a rave in the Sistine Chapel.
A rave in the Sistine Chapel sounds like a fun time
Well said
That's exactly why I can't partake in the "investment watch" concept. If I buy an expensive coolest of all watches, I want to keep it, not sell it!
I would definitely wear any of these watches, however the A Lange and H Moser are my favorites 😍
This man singlehandedly just set these 5 watches to blow up...
Great Video, as usual. My favorite is the VC 56, allthough there is waiting time esp. for the blue. H. Moser & Cie is also beautifull and the only insider tip + best value for money.
The Odysseus already blew up really hard. I have never seen one live and I see some nice watches in my professional environment, and even my AD, having Lange, say they never had one in store. So it is rare as hell aswell.
They deliver about 70 pieces per year.
And they removed the access to the spring bars from the second production year on. Which means you cannot change to a strap anymore. So the first year production is pretty special and still underrated
These are probably all agreeable (there's only one Odysseus on a major Watchfinder competitor, and for north of 100 large), though I ended up buying the Horage tourbillons featured on Watchfinder not long ago for this reason just because of how limited a run they were.
I'd be interested in a video around speculative swiss watch investments, where it's unlikely they'll actually appreciate e.g because they're just too unknown, but here's why some brands might actually spike if the stars align for them. Something like that.
If you ask me, I would vote for the VC to be the most beautiful among all five of them!!
Omg a Lange always so beautiful
I am a horology student, and this channel is without a doubt my favourite channel.
I buy watches because I like them. I would not include the Daytona in the same sentence as these. Most people thought the Daytona(and most Rolexes) were UGLY when they first were introduced...and I still believe that now. My favorite is the A.Lange.
I have a feeling next up is the Lange 1 moonphase 192.029. Probably the most beautiful moonphase watch there is. With the white gold case & black dial - can easily be a sport casual
Can you please review the Breguet 7147/5140 and the Seiko Presage Titan Snowflake? Thank you!
steel code 11.59 will certainly solve a lot of AP's problems. People just don't get why spend nearly 2x as much as a Royal Oak, for something as generic looking as a 11.59. If they REALLY wanted to get people to start buying watches outside of the royal oak line, they really should have made more other steel watches.
The code is already selling really well. Some models you have to be on a waiting list to get specially the new smoked dials. Try for yourself and see.
They are only selling codes so ppl can get or continue to accrue purchase history. Very few really want these.
@@PSM5550 i own one and i like it. The reason is i find dress watches generally very reserved. The code is a fun take on a dress watch kinda like the aquanaut from patek.
@@shadimagdy8196 there are def ppl that are buying them bc they like them. I was offered a chronograph model but just couldn’t justify the price for a piece I didn’t really love. Agree it’s a great dress watch but for that price I need more versatility.
@@PSM5550 the new ceramic / rose gold chrono is super cool IMO. Can be dressed up and also has a sporty feel to it. I think in this crazy market the price is justifiable as it is cheaper than a steel daytona panda in the grey market. A flyback chrono from AP in rose gold is cheaper than a rolex daytona!!!!!
The only one I like of the bunch is the Odysseus, but that is already impossible to get...
Another great video
Can you do a video on American "micro" brands
Lucky to have an H Moser Streamliner and can that in comparison to other sport orientated time pieces, it is so well rounded but also so much more fun. Watches are to be enjoyed - if you’re and make a penny or too, so be it - but enjoy the hunt, purchase -and wearing it daily
What music is on this video. Not sure why but I love the music and voice is nice and soothing. This is probably my favorite watch channel especially with Grand Seiko reviews. Great line up of watches in this video and I hope I can afford one of them.
I like your take on the tudor black bay steel
i've bought the Moser Pioneer 3 years ago and i love it! The dial is so amazing
Great video
to buy into the holy trinity at that price is something.. I for one, would hold out and save / wait for the 4500V (my choice black dial) .. and get the In-house movement.
Nice video, thank you👍. To my taste, the Patek is the most successful design. Will never afford one, but nice to dream.
Happy this wasn't a pump and dump video like those done by others. "Here's a load of mid to expensive watches we've just bought 100 of each and are about to list on chrono for 4 times retail..."
Watches aren’t investments! Unless they are made with precious metals, which in that case, they are worth their weight in that metal.
The charts and recent paid for prices are proving you wrong. Not sure why you would display your ignorance publicly for all to see.
How did that VC pass QA with that defect on the dial (6:01) in the middle of the "O"?
Interesting choices. Odysseus would seem to be the clear leader in this selection given the strength of sports pieces.
I think you forgot to mention Czapek @watchfinder - Otherwise I’d agree with you with these features pieces . H Moser is doing some fantastic pieces currently. I love the Patek pilots watch and I do feel when AP release the 2nd gen 11:59 will be a great piece
Could you make a 5 top affordable or down to earth watches? Like a swatch or seiko 5 sports?
I can’t watch these videos anymore without thinking of Oisin’s excellent recent parody. He has stained beautifully the Watchfinder way, as he has the palm frond Datejust. And all palm trees. 🌴
This is why I follow this channel - finding out about non hyped high end quality watches. That Patek GMT looks class, the VC as well!
Omega aqua terror on the rubber and GS season dials
Please stop with the investment crap
7:12 flaw in the bold black mark right next to 2
Right on time:)
I see the rare and elusive Lange selling for double or triple today. If you could find some wealthy collector willing to part with theirs. I'm sure it's one per customer per lifetime. Moser is very underrated. Zenith and JLC likely make 10% of Rolex's million watches per year. The Chronomaster sport looks far more interesting than a Daytona. JLC's Polaris same deal. These brands deserve so much more love. The V.C. is more dressy than sporty.
Love H. Moser. Wish I had one. JLC is my all time personal favorite. My go to brand. I own 3 and 4th is on order.
Isn’t the AL&S already a big hit?!
We all already know about the not so secret Vacheron Overseas... but are their any other models in the VC lineup that are current sleeper hits?
I love the look of the 'Code 11-59', but yes, they need to release a steel version.
That H Moser is very pleasing to the eye..
Nice Blackadder reference! 👍😎
The Odysseus is already trading at well over double RRP and requires purchase history to buy from Lange. Hardly the early heads-up.
Spot on
A LANGE & SOHNE -such a great watch maker .interesting video- good info.. thanks OSIN , I mean WATCHFINDER & CO. ~. JDS/CT
LOL Code 1159 . . . No😂😂
For the VC, I think the Quai de l'Ile is a better call and it is Geneva seal. Used prices are slightly above the 56 for the steel model. Just no one knows how to pronounce it haha
Czapek & Laurent Ferrier IMO worth a shout also
Czapek drake and GP laureato imo
Love the Vacheron watch 😍
Ah, what a choice of riches (literally!). My favorites: The Vacheron Constantin FiftySix is probably my favorite! Beautiful dial & finishing. Second would be the Audemars Piguet. I am not a fan of the Royal Oak, but this is one I'd definitely consider. Third is the A. Lange Odysseus. I'm a fan of A. Lange and this is a beauty, IF I were a regular customer I'd be trying to get my hands one one. Fourth: The H. Moser Pioneer Centre Seconds. The watches are spectacular, the dial color incredible, and the finishing, to me, might just beat out all the others; when viewed under under a macro lens, it lacks very minor flaws I saw on some of the others (talking REALLY minor). Probably one of the best deals on this list. My least favorite was the Patek. The dial design just left me uninspired, and feeling I could have found a better dial design on a far less expensive watch. Again, just my opinion on these and whichever you like is the right one for you.
The finish on the counterbalance on the PP second hand looks terrible, maybe it's just the macro shots highlighting it.
The 11:59 may be the 2050 sought after watch in auctions. Not so much for the time being.
This will continue as people want to cross borders carrying as little as possible but worth as much as possible.
This is most certainly correct. But diamonds are certainly more portable, more valuable and easier to authenticate. That’s why the notion of watches as storage of value is kinda silly.
Notice how he covers up the crappy looking band on the Moser and that's it's 42 min !!
Most new watches don't represent an immediate investment. There are of course exceptions, but given that in order to acquire these select pieces, you have to sit on a waiting list for sometimes years, it can hardly be referred to as flipping. Therefore, to realise any serious money, as with many investments, you have to be prepared to go long.
is it possible for you to do a review on the Sinn 303 Mazda RX-8 Limited Edition
Nailed the section on the AP. I love it… at half the retail price
That vc is kinda dope
Alternative title for the video:
5 Watches you'll sell your kidney and still might not being able to buy one
The sad truth is all this video does is stoke the imagination of those who purchase watches not as beloved timepieces, but on spec; upon which, once acquired, they are stashed away, never to be worn lest an errant scratch instantly devalue them. While those of us who might scrimp and save in the hopes of one day owning such a beautiful piece despair knowing that so long as they are hoarded by speculators, we must either hope for a total meltdown of the luxury watch market or continue to scrimp and save for another, oh say, 122 years, before we might actually realize the dream of strapping one on to our collective wrist.
Gotta love a Black Adder reference. Great monologue as usual.
Oh and that H. Moser Cie. is absolutely delicious.
If I had one of those watches I'd want to keep it.
"About to Blow Up" was absolutely right, but not in the way intended. The WatchCharts market index has fallen 40% since this video appeared.
We got to see ONE SINGLE SECOND of the whole Lange watch with a frontal shot, and then tons of macro details shots. Let us see the whole watch! I like macros but they can't be the main course!
Was surprised to see vc fifty six on the list
The 5524 is an absolute stunner!
I like all these watches. The Patek is ridiculously beautiful in the real world. Tom, the 7234 is wonderfully proportioned at 37.5 mm.
Unsolicited advice Don’t buy a watch you won’t enjoy (lots of ways to enjoy watches). Don’t buy a watch you can’t afford (priority on life’s fundamentals). A fair valuation of a watch collection should include psychic capital.
Can't even get a damn Casio Arnie for $50 anymore, nevermind an actually rare watch!
I actually like the AP Code 1159. I've never understood the hate for it and think AP should release a more affordable version but let's face it, I likely won't be able to buy that either. Cool piece though!
Czapek has some potential too
Lol.
@@BobbyDazzler888 why lol? the platinum micro rotor Czapek Antarctique is a nice looking piece
Czapek makes absolutely gorgeous watches. Elegant dials with lumes, well designed bracelets, and beautifully finished movements.
Investors in watches… that can hurt
Moser watches are always 🔥 👌
What are better affordable watches than Movado??
I'd be okay with the Code 11.59 going through the roof, since I wouldn't want to own one anyway.
Funny thing is when trying to sell one of these investment watches to WF they offer 65% of what they sell them for so better have gone up big time for it to be an investment
Let us forget phrase "Investment watches" forever.
6:01 flaw inside the letter O.
Patek 5524g is the one 🚀 📈📈📈 Just filmed a video with mine.
Saw that! Didn’t expect to see you here!
@@watchfinder avid viewer - keep up the good work 🙌
I don't think any of the 5 will be an investment watch. I think that in order to qualify a watch should be in steel, from a brand with reputation, produced in small numbers, preferably with integrated bracelet, and of course it should look cool and different. The Lange has potential, but honestly I think it looks ugly...
The ALS Odysseus is already double the price on the grey market and practically impossible to get at an AD unless you are a major customer.
can u pls feature FP JOURNE