I used to be a good Christian, though of a more mainline variety. I was asked to cover the services in a local church that was not my own while the pastor was on a trip to Israel. I guess it should have been a red flag when I got into an argument with the pastor when we met up over evolution. He told me, "You can't be a Christian and believe in evolution." I have a physics degree and teach science at the local high school. At the end of my month covering the services, the congregation presented me with a DVD. They told me that since I taught science I would like it. It was Ray Comfort's "Evolution vs. God." I don't know if the members of the congregation came up with that on their own or if the pastor put them up to it. But I watched it, expecting analysis of conflicting viewpoints. Nope...it was exactly what Godless Granny showed here: out of context and heavily edited interviews. I was actually angry by the time I finished it. It was actually the experience of the argument with that pastor that planted the seed that made me finally leave my faith that summer. I had decided to read the Bible to find the evidence that you can accept science and be a Christian. I guess the pastor was right: I still accept the science. But I no longer believe in the religion.
Ray does not wait until the target is in the church bench when he preys on them, but he uses the same approach, distract their attention, appeals to emotion, tries to instill a bad conscience until he can apply his killshot "If yout but follow me and pay to my bank account, I can save you from the fate I say you are destined for because of my scriptbook saying so".
"Do you believe the whole rib thing?" "Yeah, of course. You know why?" "No, I can't imagine." I don't think I'm an atheist any longer, because that guy must be the God of Snark.
@@GodlessGranny It would be a total waste of time. Just a couple of months ago, while on our first Saturday furwalk, I was set upon by a street preacher who obviously studied with Living Waters. He tried that "nothing created everything" argument and I asked him how familiar he was with Quantum Mechanics (not very). So I explained that Q-M shows that there is no absolute nothing. I also told him about Prof. Richard Gott of Princeton and "closed time like curves" that are self-creating. Like Ray, he asked how many lies I told, and I asked why he was asking an irrelevant question. He said that it was one of the Ten. I pointed out that the 9th commandment says: "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor" -- that it referred to perjury in a court of law, or spreading malicious, untrue, rumours, and not lying. It didn't take very long until he was wanting to get away from that anthrofox in a hurry. I'm certain that if Ray ever wanted an interview with me, that would be one video we'd never see. Unless, of course, I had my own camera man. That's the A Number One problem with Ray: he's a poster child for Dunning-Kruger. He "thinks" he knows his Bible better than he really does. He demonstrates over and over again he doesn't even know what the Ten Commandments are.
Rays script is complete baloney. I can’t believe people can’t see through the sophistry. He also has a creepy obsession with asking about sex. It seems a common sociopathy with people with sexual repression. The prurient interest in sex just emerges in these bizarre ways. As an atheist, I’m a better Christian than he is.
Your take on this and your analysis was so enlightening - here in my response is where I vainly try to make a clever pun on Ray's name. It seems, though, all these apologetics' blather are aimed at keeping the gullible followers in check, not to gain new converts. By the way, I would not be a good debater on some public forum, but I LOVE to run into a Ray on the street and argue until they give up. (First thing to do is reverse the role, become the questioner, not the prey. Start asking back their same questions on them. Drive them BANANAS.)
It's adultery only if you get caught. We don't need a god to tell us that if we like to fool around while married we could end up losing one of our appendixes 🤣🤣
Everything about Ray is dishonest. His "arguments" are shallow and flimsy, his manner is crafted so that he appears to be a caring, kind person, but what good used car salesman doesn't do that? He thinks he's clever with asking these leading questions and then tying them all up with that "you've just admitted that you're a lying, thieving, blasphemous fornicator" bit as an emotional"gotcha", but it's a classic manipulation technique. He doesn't care if he's saving soul's, he's out there to push his book on people. His videos are so heavily edited that it's often hard to tell if he's interviewing real people or hired actors. I bet there's hours of deleted footage of him being called out on his bs by people he interviews, but we'll never see that, because it contradicts his image of a righteous man winning people to God. Great video, GG, Keep it up! Oh, while I'm thinking of it, any chance you could get Prophet of Zod of one of your livestreams? That would be a super interesting chat!
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say he doesn't care if he's saving souls.. Not going to argue deeply about motives that are very hard to determine though. As to emotional manipulation, I doubt he would even deny that part. Though he might attempt to frame it more to his benefit. As to whether he has lots of footage of himself being ineffective. Is it being being dishonest not showing that? Is it fair to expect anyone to show everything, including miserable failures? I do think he has moments of dishonesty, but like most apologists, a bit of lying for Jesus seems to be acceptable. And yes that makes him a hypocrite. But do we need proof of that? I can see the value of showing the an atheist position, in order argue against it. But such debate doesn't seem to be what Ray cares about. His addressing of real arguments are superficial at best. It's the emotionally manipulative part he really cares about. He knows enough about the real process of conversion to zero in on the effective part of the process. It may well be more honest than some other tactics, at least in being more transparent.
"Isn't that true?" is a passive aggressive stance. The person is expected to agree. "Wouldn't you like to go for Italian tonight, honey?" (the answer better be yes)
Love that man. He says pretty much the same things as I would if I was approached by Banana Man. LOL I hope *Parker gets in touch with you; I'd love to hear that conversation. 😄
Apologists are looking for an absolute in an inabsolute medium. Lying , when it harms a relationship and/or someone else (emotionally, physically, materially) is bad. When you lie to defend yourself, to protect someone else (emotionally, physically, materially) can be justified. And here is where certain people chime in, snarkely, "Oh, well who gets to decide that!?" or "Well, based on that, then we'll never know when it's good and bad." And that sends me down a path of explaining how lazy minds beg for, seek out and otherwise craft mountains of rules and guidelines to alleviate their need to evaluate every decision within every circumstance based on the sundry details of those circumstances. As such, there are not absolute rules to govern every possible permutation in life. The need for absolute rules to govern every circumstance typically acomodates the lowest common denominator in life Is it immoral for a doctor to spare a person’s feelings by telling them that their family member died quickly and peacefully in their sleep when, in fact, they died a slow, agonizing death? I‘m a proponent of the consequentialist perspective. It argues that the morality or immorality of a lie depends on the CONSEQUENCES of the lie. Through that lens, a self-interested lie is wrong because such lies could harm others.
Parker is my favourite man I've ever seen in a Ray Comfort video. He's not buying. He's not even accepting any gifts unless he's confident it can be used for toilet paper.
This is interesting. I know Godless Engineer had a conversation with him on a stream. He said Ray was very dishonest in his editing. Anyone interviewed by Ray needs to make their own recording of the event.
The funny thing here is that Ray would have to assume the interviewed person was telling the truth when they answer “yes” regarding the question of “Have you ever told a lie?” Can we then ask “What do you call a truth teller?” Ray comfort’s script literally makes no sense and just exists to catch the average person off guard with this nonsense. It’s incredibly dishonest.
I'd like to turn it around a bit on the street preachers next time I get the chance. If they tell me that they're speaking to me because they care about me, I'd ask if they don't mind answering some of my questions thoroughly and honestly first, so that I can have confidence that they care about me. I think most people who are genuine would actually do it, but I think those who do it for content and attention would likely push it aside and try to get back on script. Then I'd just ask my basic questions about their epistemology: what led you to believe what you believe, how confident are you in the method that you came to find this out, do you have to take man's word that what you're reading is God's word, or do you have a way to independently verify the claims of your religion? Like a child asking "why" to everything, just asking variants of "how do you know that" until they can get down to something we can both agree on.
Funny how Sunstone guy was the most honest person in the conversation. Hmmm...lol But I used to think that way also and realized just how deceptive it all was.
Love it GG. When my mother in law praised the lord that I only broke my ankle into cornflakes and that it wasn't worse, I asked her why he made the car aquaplane over a stream of water in the first place. And then for good measure I told her that he took revenge on me when I was hit by a car skipping a red traffic light, but it seems he is not powerful enough to take me out. It seems her god comes after me in August, that's why I stay in bed the entire month. Just have to watch out for the bed sores, cause he works in mysterious ways.
You got me, Ray. I tell lies all the time. Once I wrote a slanderous introduction to Origin of Species. I was told some of it was wrong, but I didn't care.
If Ray ever asked me have I lied I say yes, but, do know what I've never done: is create an intelligent being with feelings, just to massage my ego, like your god.
What I would like to know is, was the crime captured on a security camera or just your standard everyday record whatever you see wall/ceiling mounted cameras.
"Sunstone is running out of patience" honestly i dont blame him, that man has way more self control than me, I wouldn't allow Ray to talk to me for that long 😂 poor Parker
I think Ray's own words described the phenomenon very well. "It's in that darkness that the gospel shines the brightest." slightly paraphrased. Thought of another way, the gospel is so dim that unless it's in darkness, it doesn't look bright at all. If it actually was independently bright outside of the darkness, there would be no need to even bring up the darkness. I know that most Christians say and believe it to be brilliant. But claiming and showing are different things. And yes this is a metaphor, but it's one he used. And I think it's fairly fitting. And the following archery metaphor doesn't look to hold any truth at all. Knowledgeable apologists know well that their job is easier in areas where there is more suffering. Just ask Mother Teresa. Gotta agree with you about Parker here. Seems like someone with his head on straight.
GG, This, and I think I missed commenting on the other part, were so good! Raynana is such a con. He only jumps in with the I love yous as a guilt tactic. When he and his family are churning out his crap in his multimillion dollar home in, I believe, LA, he rakes in enough money ti actually do some good. But he only ever talks to people he thinks might be able to pay, lol. Watch some of his crap, he ignores the 'poor', always! Also, he uses the bible when it agrees, but if you point out the obvious bad, he doesn't believe it is true! He cherry picks it like he does his subjects and their responses. In fact he's just dammned nutty and fruity. 👍👏🥰💖✌
5:37 i'm not sure i agree with your terminology here. If someone sneaks into a home at night while the residents are asleep, and steals stuff, are they NOT a robber? Didn't have to make any threats or use of physical force (against the victim), but isn't just the theft enough to make it a robbery? PS Personally, i would make the distinction from conning in whether the victim is _willingly_ giving something up to the perp'.
My dad was a "debater" (atheist side- )there weren't too many of them in the early 60's. No microphone yet, no stage. The Plaza Miranda in front of Quiapo church was the venue. People just gather around you, listen to the debaters and whoever gets the "applause" wins. Maybe people before my time were more rational as they "applaud" the atheist ideas
So if i go there at... say, 2am, you're saying i *_will_* find Ray there, as long as it's not week-end? (And technically, the week-end is still "during the week"...)
The Archbishop Desmond Tutu once sais,”When the missionaries came to Africa, they had the bible, we had the land. They said let us pray, we closed our eyes. When we opened them, we had the bible and they had the land.”
JW Wallace could have solved the church criminal behavior, if he had put real policemen on the job. Left to JWW, the old lady would have been stitched up. The old lady would have been conned out of her money either way. The two thugs who preyed on her or Ray's accomplice, the charlatan at the front of the church, would resort to the same tactic. Religion is probably a good money-spinner for Ray Discomfort. "Bible never changed." That is a good one. I think Ray is married, but his love for Matt Dillahunty should be deemed sinning in his heart. I am surprised Ray let this (edited) video go to air as it displays his dishonest and deceptive tactics. We have to face the reality that if *something* legitimate was behind the baloney RC is spewing, there would not be a need for so much deception. THE ART OF DECEIT In all their works, whether written or spoken, there is no regard for the truth. There is no attempt whatsoever at objectivity. They seek only to defend what they already blindly believe, no matter how grotesque or outlandish. And they’ll lie, cheat, contrive, and deceive every step of the way. But, hey. At least they love Jesus. You can be forgiven for anything as long as you believe the right s**t. atheomedy.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/christian-apologetics-the-art-of-deceit/
I’d love to have Ray try his look at the beauty around you argument on me so I could unfold my white cane in front of him, and listen to him spit and splutter, and try to backtrack. I can’t look at the beauty Ray, because God‘s perfect creation led to me losing my vision, at least from the Christian’s perspective. From my perspective, nature just sucks sometimes.
Well, Ray would probably reply that Jesus never lied, because he is god. But I would happily point out that Jesus may not have lied, but he was a spoilt brat. Proof? The incident with the fig tree. Funny how no apologists ever bring that up… A propos of nothing: I’m using my phone, and as I wrote Ray above, my finger slipped and I got Rat. Somehow, that is more appropriate…
@@gowdsake7103 Naw, people can talk about the internal logic of a narrative without assuming that the character must be real. I just grand the Christians that premise to show that their logic would make this figure questionable.
Where was God when that woman was conned? Well, he is a god. Either he is musing, or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened. (1 Kings 18:27)
So the women conning the elderly woman is an example of man’s fallen nature, but what about when people do acts of charity? What about when someone gives some of their money to a starving, homeless person? Is that an example of the goodness of humanity? No of course not, that’s an example of the goodness of god, not humanity. Something good happens? That’s god. Something bad happens? That’s humanity. It’s the classic “heads I win, tails you lose” scenario.
Asking people how many lies they’ve told, despite seemingly being uninterested in how old they were when they told the lie, is interesting. Kids do a lot of bad things because they don’t know better. That doesn’t make them bad people. As long as they learn from their mistakes and don’t repeat their bad behavior, they can still be good people. People like Ray have this very black and white view of the world, where if you’ve done literally anything bad in your life, then you’re a bad person. Which is bizarre, because most people who’ve done at least one bad thing have also done at least one good thing, and yet Ray doesn’t use the fact that they’ve done good things as evidence that they’re a good person. It’s literally the definition of cherry picking to arrive at the conclusion you want to arrive at. It’s pathetic.
Ray has this way of baiting and switching . One minute he is asking about rather minor things, lying, stealing, into mortal sins. Then it is about a punishment a illion times wose than lying or stealing, hell fire for eternity! Buy Ray, nice guy that he is wants you to know that if you join his religion you can escape this punishment.
I’m sure the answer most if not all theists will give for why god didn’t intervene while the woman was being conned is because this is a trial he wanted to put her through. Most theists excuse any and every bad thing that can happen to a person, up to and including death as an infant. It’s because nothing can happen to would prove or even lend credence towards their god either not existing or being an evil god.
The bible doesn't say there will not be suffering in this life. Also, God uses suffering to humble people. In our suffering is when we call out to God. Even most atheist probably does so when they have no where else to turn.
The problem of suffering isn't about the Bible, it's about the claims of many Christians _(and others)_ about their god(s). It is to demonstrate that a god cannot logically be all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving at the same time. One property has to give. _Unless_ we accept universalism, and acknowledge that existence after life will make up for any and all suffering.
I used to be a good Christian, though of a more mainline variety. I was asked to cover the services in a local church that was not my own while the pastor was on a trip to Israel. I guess it should have been a red flag when I got into an argument with the pastor when we met up over evolution. He told me, "You can't be a Christian and believe in evolution." I have a physics degree and teach science at the local high school.
At the end of my month covering the services, the congregation presented me with a DVD. They told me that since I taught science I would like it. It was Ray Comfort's "Evolution vs. God." I don't know if the members of the congregation came up with that on their own or if the pastor put them up to it. But I watched it, expecting analysis of conflicting viewpoints. Nope...it was exactly what Godless Granny showed here: out of context and heavily edited interviews. I was actually angry by the time I finished it.
It was actually the experience of the argument with that pastor that planted the seed that made me finally leave my faith that summer. I had decided to read the Bible to find the evidence that you can accept science and be a Christian. I guess the pastor was right: I still accept the science. But I no longer believe in the religion.
As an ex-christian, I find this story a bit sad.
Ray does not wait until the target is in the church bench when he preys on them, but he uses the same approach, distract their attention, appeals to emotion, tries to instill a bad conscience until he can apply his killshot "If yout but follow me and pay to my bank account, I can save you from the fate I say you are destined for because of my scriptbook saying so".
"Do you believe the whole rib thing?"
"Yeah, of course. You know why?"
"No, I can't imagine."
I don't think I'm an atheist any longer, because that guy must be the God of Snark.
Ray: "You are perfectly made"
Oh boi do I want to tell him some things.
My hip and brain had to have a surgery at the age of 22!
"How many lies have you told, Ray?"
All of them.
If Gay Cumfart asked me if I'd told any lies I would cut off his script and answer I have told many truths so must be a truthful person 😊
I think the guy on the beach just wanted him to go away 🤣
To be fair, most people would want Ray to go away. I love mythology, but being quizzed on it & believing it is weird 😂
Ray is like a robot. I like Parker too. He had more patience than I would!
Was extremely surprised when someone pulled the Ray Comfort script on me. I didn’t think that would *actually* happen in real life lol
I would welcome the opportunity
@@GodlessGranny It would be a total waste of time. Just a couple of months ago, while on our first Saturday furwalk, I was set upon by a street preacher who obviously studied with Living Waters. He tried that "nothing created everything" argument and I asked him how familiar he was with Quantum Mechanics (not very). So I explained that Q-M shows that there is no absolute nothing. I also told him about Prof. Richard Gott of Princeton and "closed time like curves" that are self-creating. Like Ray, he asked how many lies I told, and I asked why he was asking an irrelevant question. He said that it was one of the Ten. I pointed out that the 9th commandment says: "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor" -- that it referred to perjury in a court of law, or spreading malicious, untrue, rumours, and not lying. It didn't take very long until he was wanting to get away from that anthrofox in a hurry.
I'm certain that if Ray ever wanted an interview with me, that would be one video we'd never see. Unless, of course, I had my own camera man. That's the A Number One problem with Ray: he's a poster child for Dunning-Kruger. He "thinks" he knows his Bible better than he really does. He demonstrates over and over again he doesn't even know what the Ten Commandments are.
Someone tried that with me once. I pretty much embarrassed them.
They were friendly, just really confused.
@lordkelvin100thompson8 Does never having boiled a kid in the milk of its mother count?
Rays script is complete baloney. I can’t believe people can’t see through the sophistry.
He also has a creepy obsession with asking about sex. It seems a common sociopathy with people with sexual repression. The prurient interest in sex just emerges in these bizarre ways.
As an atheist, I’m a better Christian than he is.
Your take on this and your analysis was so enlightening - here in my response is where I vainly try to make a clever pun on Ray's name.
It seems, though, all these apologetics' blather are aimed at keeping the gullible followers in check, not to gain new converts.
By the way, I would not be a good debater on some public forum, but I LOVE to run into a Ray on the street and argue until they give up. (First thing to do is reverse the role, become the questioner, not the prey. Start asking back their same questions on them. Drive them BANANAS.)
Someone needs to tell Ray that adultery is sex when married. Single people are not commuting adultery.
Technically it can also be premarital when by a betrothed... But i'm not sure he's using the term in its modern sense.
It's adultery only if you get caught. We don't need a god to tell us that if we like to fool around while married we could end up losing one of our appendixes 🤣🤣
I too love sunstone (Parker). Putting Ray in his place like that is so beautiful to watch.
That banana he used that one time was more intellectually honest than he ever could be.
You and Parker's Sunstone probing did a great job at tearing Ray's work to shreds!
Kirk voice: "Why does God need security cameras?"
Everything about Ray is dishonest. His "arguments" are shallow and flimsy, his manner is crafted so that he appears to be a caring, kind person, but what good used car salesman doesn't do that? He thinks he's clever with asking these leading questions and then tying them all up with that "you've just admitted that you're a lying, thieving, blasphemous fornicator" bit as an emotional"gotcha", but it's a classic manipulation technique. He doesn't care if he's saving soul's, he's out there to push his book on people. His videos are so heavily edited that it's often hard to tell if he's interviewing real people or hired actors. I bet there's hours of deleted footage of him being called out on his bs by people he interviews, but we'll never see that, because it contradicts his image of a righteous man winning people to God.
Great video, GG, Keep it up!
Oh, while I'm thinking of it, any chance you could get Prophet of Zod of one of your livestreams? That would be a super interesting chat!
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say he doesn't care if he's saving souls..
Not going to argue deeply about motives that are very hard to determine though.
As to emotional manipulation, I doubt he would even deny that part. Though he might attempt to frame it more to his benefit.
As to whether he has lots of footage of himself being ineffective. Is it being being dishonest not showing that?
Is it fair to expect anyone to show everything, including miserable failures?
I do think he has moments of dishonesty, but like most apologists, a bit of lying for Jesus seems to be acceptable.
And yes that makes him a hypocrite. But do we need proof of that?
I can see the value of showing the an atheist position, in order argue against it. But such debate doesn't seem to be what Ray cares about. His addressing of real arguments are superficial at best. It's the emotionally manipulative part he really cares about. He knows enough about the real process of conversion to zero in on the effective part of the process.
It may well be more honest than some other tactics, at least in being more transparent.
This just popped up, so glad too! Great video! I never heard of the con in the church story!
"Isn't that true?" is a passive aggressive stance. The person is expected to agree. "Wouldn't you like to go for Italian tonight, honey?" (the answer better be yes)
Love that man. He says pretty much the same things as I would if I was approached by Banana Man. LOL I hope *Parker gets in touch with you; I'd love to hear that conversation. 😄
Fingers crossed!
Ray Comfort is such a one-trick pony, and what one trick he knows he tries to rush through on pure force of gish gallop.
Thx Granny :) ..please have ray on your show !! I would love to see that convo ...:)
I would too! He would never come.
It Takes thousand's of hours to point out Contradictions. 😆
Parker, what a god damn hero. And Godless Granny, you are making amazing videos :D
Why is there a video camera in the sanctuary? Is this a total lack of trust, or is this church often hit by crime?
Apologists are looking for an absolute in an inabsolute medium. Lying , when it harms a relationship and/or someone else (emotionally, physically, materially) is bad. When you lie to defend yourself, to protect someone else (emotionally, physically, materially) can be justified.
And here is where certain people chime in, snarkely, "Oh, well who gets to decide that!?" or "Well, based on that, then we'll never know when it's good and bad."
And that sends me down a path of explaining how lazy minds beg for, seek out and otherwise craft mountains of rules and guidelines to alleviate their need to evaluate every decision within every circumstance based on the sundry details of those circumstances. As such, there are not absolute rules to govern every possible permutation in life.
The need for absolute rules to govern every circumstance typically acomodates the lowest common denominator in life
Is it immoral for a doctor to spare a person’s feelings by telling them that their family member died quickly and peacefully in their sleep when, in fact, they died a slow, agonizing death?
I‘m a proponent of the consequentialist perspective. It argues that the morality or immorality of a lie depends on the CONSEQUENCES of the lie. Through that lens, a self-interested lie is wrong because such lies could harm others.
Parker is my favourite man I've ever seen in a Ray Comfort video. He's not buying. He's not even accepting any gifts unless he's confident it can be used for toilet paper.
I tried to talk to Ray about my faith lacking. He was a total jerk. Looking into him more hes just a total con man.
This is interesting. I know Godless Engineer had a conversation with him on a stream. He said Ray was very dishonest in his editing. Anyone interviewed by Ray needs to make their own recording of the event.
The funny thing here is that Ray would have to assume the interviewed person was telling the truth when they answer “yes” regarding the question of “Have you ever told a lie?”
Can we then ask “What do you call a truth teller?”
Ray comfort’s script literally makes no sense and just exists to catch the average person off guard with this nonsense. It’s incredibly dishonest.
I'd like to turn it around a bit on the street preachers next time I get the chance. If they tell me that they're speaking to me because they care about me, I'd ask if they don't mind answering some of my questions thoroughly and honestly first, so that I can have confidence that they care about me. I think most people who are genuine would actually do it, but I think those who do it for content and attention would likely push it aside and try to get back on script.
Then I'd just ask my basic questions about their epistemology: what led you to believe what you believe, how confident are you in the method that you came to find this out, do you have to take man's word that what you're reading is God's word, or do you have a way to independently verify the claims of your religion? Like a child asking "why" to everything, just asking variants of "how do you know that" until they can get down to something we can both agree on.
Good grief, Ray is shameless.
The continuity of Ray's interviews leave me to believe that his intervuies are following a script!
He Edits his videos to make it words up
Funny how Sunstone guy was the most honest person in the conversation. Hmmm...lol But I used to think that way also and realized just how deceptive it all was.
Same
Love it GG.
When my mother in law praised the lord that I only broke my ankle into cornflakes and that it wasn't worse, I asked her why he made the car aquaplane over a stream of water in the first place.
And then for good measure I told her that he took revenge on me when I was hit by a car skipping a red traffic light, but it seems he is not powerful enough to take me out.
It seems her god comes after me in August, that's why I stay in bed the entire month.
Just have to watch out for the bed sores, cause he works in mysterious ways.
You got me, Ray. I tell lies all the time. Once I wrote a slanderous introduction to Origin of Species. I was told some of it was wrong, but I didn't care.
If Ray ever asked me have I lied I say yes, but, do know what I've never done:
is create an intelligent being with feelings, just to massage my ego, like your god.
What I would like to know is, was the crime captured on a security camera or just your standard everyday record whatever you see wall/ceiling mounted cameras.
well, if the thiefs didnt take the money, the church would :(
An amazing response.
Who did solve the crime? Not J Warner-Wallace.
thank you GG . you're hard core , you take names , but no prisoners . love yuh 😊
I don't know where this guy came from but he is the exception to most of his interviews.
"Sunstone is running out of patience" honestly i dont blame him, that man has way more self control than me, I wouldn't allow Ray to talk to me for that long 😂 poor Parker
I think Ray's own words described the phenomenon very well. "It's in that darkness that the gospel shines the brightest." slightly paraphrased.
Thought of another way, the gospel is so dim that unless it's in darkness, it doesn't look bright at all. If it actually was independently bright outside of the darkness, there would be no need to even bring up the darkness.
I know that most Christians say and believe it to be brilliant. But claiming and showing are different things.
And yes this is a metaphor, but it's one he used. And I think it's fairly fitting.
And the following archery metaphor doesn't look to hold any truth at all.
Knowledgeable apologists know well that their job is easier in areas where there is more suffering. Just ask Mother Teresa.
Gotta agree with you about Parker here. Seems like someone with his head on straight.
❤ EXCELLENT ❤️
So glad I came across this post. Spot on 😅
Love how he quoted Billy Joel, there.
"You should never argue with a crazy mi-mi-mi-mind"
You can tell when Banana Man lies his lips move.
Gawd did not stop the robbery inside his house? 😮
I can tell a lie... every time one comes from Ray's mouth.
GG, This, and I think I missed commenting on the other part, were so good! Raynana is such a con. He only jumps in with the I love yous as a guilt tactic. When he and his family are churning out his crap in his multimillion dollar home in, I believe, LA, he rakes in enough money ti actually do some good. But he only ever talks to people he thinks might be able to pay, lol. Watch some of his crap, he ignores the 'poor', always! Also, he uses the bible when it agrees, but if you point out the obvious bad, he doesn't believe it is true! He cherry picks it like he does his subjects and their responses. In fact he's just dammned nutty and fruity. 👍👏🥰💖✌
That's interesting. I didn't know that.
His same script over and over why millions of Followers
5:37 i'm not sure i agree with your terminology here. If someone sneaks into a home at night while the residents are asleep, and steals stuff, are they NOT a robber? Didn't have to make any threats or use of physical force (against the victim), but isn't just the theft enough to make it a robbery?
PS Personally, i would make the distinction from conning in whether the victim is _willingly_ giving something up to the perp'.
Ironically named theres nothing comfortable about him.
My dad was a "debater" (atheist side- )there weren't too many of them in the early 60's. No microphone yet, no stage. The Plaza Miranda in front of Quiapo church was the venue. People just gather around you, listen to the debaters and whoever gets the "applause" wins. Maybe people before my time were more rational as they "applaud" the atheist ideas
Rays a Bully
Big time. I talked to him. Hes as bitter and mean as one would expect.
Parker is a cool dude.
Disgusting behavior from the thieves, but ya gotta admit its kind of an ingenious scam
Ray "Citation Needed" Comfort
May I suggest adding a comma to the title i.e. "How Many Lies have you Told, Ray?". [How Many Lies have you Told Ray? - I've never lied to Ray :-) ]
Comfort, Ham, Poppoff, Hovind oh and of course dont mention WLC
To meet Ray all you have to do is show up on the Huntington Beach Peer during the week.
So if i go there at... say, 2am, you're saying i *_will_* find Ray there, as long as it's not week-end?
(And technically, the week-end is still "during the week"...)
The Archbishop Desmond Tutu once sais,”When the missionaries came to Africa, they had the bible, we had the land. They said let us pray, we closed our eyes. When we opened them, we had the bible and they had the land.”
And there we have it. The REAL reason Ray believes is as shallow as they come: I don't want to die!
They are not behaving as if they really know, deep down, that God exists, are they Ray?
I do not know if you were godless before me or myself before you but as a fellow boomer I am proud to join you as a godless boomer.
JW Wallace could have solved the church criminal behavior, if he had put real policemen on the job. Left to JWW, the old lady would have been stitched up.
The old lady would have been conned out of her money either way. The two thugs who preyed on her or Ray's accomplice, the charlatan at the front of the church, would resort to the same tactic.
Religion is probably a good money-spinner for Ray Discomfort. "Bible never changed." That is a good one. I think Ray is married, but his love for Matt Dillahunty should be deemed sinning in his heart. I am surprised Ray let this (edited) video go to air as it displays his dishonest and deceptive tactics.
We have to face the reality that if *something* legitimate was behind the baloney RC is spewing, there would not be a need for so much deception.
THE ART OF DECEIT In all their works, whether written or spoken, there is no regard for the truth. There is no attempt whatsoever at objectivity. They seek only to defend what they already blindly believe, no matter how grotesque or outlandish. And they’ll lie, cheat, contrive, and deceive every step of the way. But, hey. At least they love Jesus. You can be forgiven for anything as long as you believe the right s**t. atheomedy.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/christian-apologetics-the-art-of-deceit/
I’d love to have Ray try his look at the beauty around you argument on me so I could unfold my white cane in front of him, and listen to him spit and splutter, and try to backtrack. I can’t look at the beauty Ray, because God‘s perfect creation led to me losing my vision, at least from the Christian’s perspective. From my perspective, nature just sucks sometimes.
I don't understand why my grandma likes ray.
Great vid, btw
I've done some of those things but I don't feel guilty. I've been focused on important things instead of the stuff Ray is obsessed with.
1 Million? Are there really that many people that enjoy being talked down to like toddlers?
Can anyone tell me why Yahweh always seems to value the free will of the perpetrator and never the victim thos makes him an accessory to every crime?
If everybody is a liar, then I have to assume that Jesus was one too.
Well, Ray would probably reply that Jesus never lied, because he is god. But I would happily point out that Jesus may not have lied, but he was a spoilt brat. Proof? The incident with the fig tree. Funny how no apologists ever bring that up…
A propos of nothing: I’m using my phone, and as I wrote Ray above, my finger slipped and I got Rat. Somehow, that is more appropriate…
Your assuming Jesus was a real person
@@gowdsake7103 Naw, people can talk about the internal logic of a narrative without assuming that the character must be real. I just grand the Christians that premise to show that their logic would make this figure questionable.
@@Drudenfusz I agree you can play and have fun but the lack of evidence is shocking as other bit part characters can be proved conclusively
Where was God when that woman was conned? Well, he is a god. Either he is musing, or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened. (1 Kings 18:27)
The go to reasoning is god is testing us. LOL!!!
So the women conning the elderly woman is an example of man’s fallen nature, but what about when people do acts of charity? What about when someone gives some of their money to a starving, homeless person? Is that an example of the goodness of humanity? No of course not, that’s an example of the goodness of god, not humanity. Something good happens? That’s god. Something bad happens? That’s humanity. It’s the classic “heads I win, tails you lose” scenario.
How many lies have you told you in your life?
Best to ask Ray hmm every time he opens his mouth
Asking people how many lies they’ve told, despite seemingly being uninterested in how old they were when they told the lie, is interesting. Kids do a lot of bad things because they don’t know better. That doesn’t make them bad people. As long as they learn from their mistakes and don’t repeat their bad behavior, they can still be good people. People like Ray have this very black and white view of the world, where if you’ve done literally anything bad in your life, then you’re a bad person. Which is bizarre, because most people who’ve done at least one bad thing have also done at least one good thing, and yet Ray doesn’t use the fact that they’ve done good things as evidence that they’re a good person. It’s literally the definition of cherry picking to arrive at the conclusion you want to arrive at. It’s pathetic.
No she's being robbed - they are stealing from her.
Ray has this way of baiting and switching . One minute he is asking about rather minor things, lying, stealing, into mortal sins. Then it is about a punishment a illion times wose than lying or stealing, hell fire for eternity! Buy Ray, nice guy that he is wants you to know that if you join his religion you can escape this punishment.
I’m sure the answer most if not all theists will give for why god didn’t intervene while the woman was being conned is because this is a trial he wanted to put her through. Most theists excuse any and every bad thing that can happen to a person, up to and including death as an infant. It’s because nothing can happen to would prove or even lend credence towards their god either not existing or being an evil god.
“Sunstone” deserves his own religion. If I were Ray, I would switch from the Bible and follow Sunstone.
OH LMFAOOOO SHES AN AUBURN FAN LMAOOOOO
Hey Granny, an explanation for Ray's actions is very simple. His god is his paycheck
The more I hear about this Comfort person, the more I dislike him.
You can also worship horrible people, and not just god, you know.
The bible doesn't say there will not be suffering in this life.
Also, God uses suffering to humble people. In our suffering is when we call out to God. Even most atheist probably does so when they have no where else to turn.
The problem of suffering isn't about the Bible, it's about the claims of many Christians _(and others)_ about their god(s). It is to demonstrate that a god cannot logically be all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving at the same time. One property has to give. _Unless_ we accept universalism, and acknowledge that existence after life will make up for any and all suffering.
Racist!
As far as lies go, Ray has told countless lies as he is an apologist, and they are professional liars!
YWH IS EVIL. How can he have one
Who did solve the crime? Not J Warner-Wallace.