I remember seeing Vinnie live in the 80's, and among all the stuff I couldn't understand, I did catch a particular sixteenth note triplet fill (thinking 6 notes to a quarter at a reasonable 120-ish tempo). He doubled cymbals with his kick, but just focusing on the kick and hands linearly, the 4-note pattern was displaced, "Stick Control" style. Writing the triplet grouping to see visually on the page, with K=kick, the two-sextuplet + downbeat pattern was: KLR KKL RKK LRK K Just like in Nate's lesson, it's a 4-note pattern, here played three times over two quarter note pulses, then the final downbeat. It's kind of a 3 beat "hyper samba" over the two quarter notes.
Great lesson. When you said "I was stuck on the same kind of sixteenth note triplet fills" and then demonstrated a few, I thought 'that's exactly where I'm at.' Some of the exact same licks. So excited to try this out!
I do a lot of this stuff more intuitively than anything else so it's nice to have an actual analysis of what the heck I'm trying to accomplish. Something to practice in this isolated times.
I hadn't a clue at the beginning - trying to decipher the timing. I mean - I know a triplet when I see one - but fast drumming? non. Glad I stayed to the end - I got a good deal of it. Thanks.
So I've been watching these videos for months... And I'm a singer. But honestly this is the first time I was truly clueless about what was happening. :( I guess not being a drummer eventually shows it's limits somewhere. Still, I watched the whole thing!!! And I've saved it to come back to in a few months.
I am very thankful for just randomly found this vid. and this suits to me cause I'm only self taught in drums, now I really understand why this professional drummers had an amazing drum fills, and what the Triplet and Hertas really differentiate. . MARAMING SALMAT PO!(Thank you very much in Filipino 😊🤘🤘)
I always found counting this way One triplett , two triplett to be slightly clunky , I mean it doesn't fall of your tongue easily . I kinda prefer a variation of 16th note counting by just going 1 an a 2 an a, 3 an a so on and so forth. Or another variant is 1 e an 2 e an 3 e an . They just are much easiier to focus on what your playing than what your saying !! That's my 2 cents !!
I've been following your content for a while. Helped me grow as a drummer and for that I am grateful. Having said that, I would urge you to introduce on-screen cues along with the pieces you give when citing examples for a certain idea. It would be a great help insofar as consolidating the points you try to make. Like maybe dots/visual cues counting along the grooves. I would also be very invested in a masterclass on "rhythm appreciation" maybe? Or how a drummer of the western tradition would perceive a piece. Cheers
Extremely advanced lesson. Literally the bread and butter for how to get those gospel chops. I guess it’s all about watching it slowly and trying to get it on your own time although I would love a lesson
Something I've enjoyed doing is taking the duple stick control patterns and playing as triplets which is kinda what you're talking about here. Keeping four on the floor really contrasts with the half-note triplet outline. Makes it stick out as this really massive polyrhythm which is easier for an audience to notice. Playing really linearly is something I should work on more though. I need to get my bass drum into my melodies.
Thank you...oh and by the way, I got a chance to witness Chris Coleman live playing for Chaka Khan and I also had the pleasure of watching Aaron Spears live playing for Usher and both were extremely entertaining to watch. They both were flawless.
I took some lessons about 20 years ago from Woody Thompson... he showed me a bunch of stuff like this & called it ‘suspended triplets’ but it was always in the context of a jazz exercise, like from the Jim Chapin book... using this in filled never occurred to me until I saw this vid...
That permutation thing you mention is something I've been coming across and realizing lately. At first it was really annoying because I would get lost in the cycle over some time I started to realize how valuable it is for blending mistakes and being able to improvise through them to prevent having to stop and start over.. even so too much of it can cause too much confusion and end completely lost to the point of starting over in order to get back to the origi al exercise..One thing that permutation is great for is knowing which beats can link/ fit together easier with better flow and less of a seam so it doesn't sound so choppy.. i get these concepts but in practice i still feel like a beginner..
I must be an empty vessel (uneducated drummer) because each time I listen to your videos it is like taking a long, cool drink of water. Things always feel better when I'm done.
“My first thought was I SUCK!” LOL...that’s me! I had just sat down this morning to work on my KLR (or KRL for righties) triplets, and here this video was. Thank you.
One thing that helped me a lot in this kind of thing was to just be able to play trips with a double stroke roll. Easiest way is to start with a 12 hit pattern over a metronome. Accent every 3rd hit to keep your brain in gear. LlrRllRrlLrr
Putting 3 groups of 4 over 4 groups of 3 is a great way of making 12/8 sound like 3/4 and you can mess with people's minds with that. Selectively doubling triplets is a common part of a lot of samba percussion calls.
@@8020drummer Well thanks. I'm really enjoying your videos. I'm a returning drummer and coming back with a lot more wisdom. Watching these only helps. And the drum set up video since I know bugger all about drum set up.
“How would I do that Nate? You’re all the way over in New York City, wherever that is, and I’m here, in greater Dubuque...”😆 oh, wait, I live in greater Dubuque...hmmmm, maybe its time for me to sign up for those lessons. By the way, ten bonus points to anyone who knows where Dubuque is!! 👍
@@RandyBrooksKnows which is about 200 miles from Dsm where I live! Too bad we cldn't all three get together and hash this out! Lol Props to IA drummers!
Thank you, you dont know what you just did for me. Ive been suspecting a double kick or a double R or a double L. Ive been struggling to speed up the standard RLK or LRK to a mountain of frustration. So basically its a lie within a truth. It’s actually not a triplet, its 4 beats 3 times 🧐 Its a magic trick. So basically the RLK or LRK is little more than a good exercise in separation and syncopation. You can use them in spots for color but if you really want to blow some minds double up the kick🦵 🦵. I get your statement about your triplets getting “stale”, thats exectly where I am. I knew there was something that the 1100 drumming videos Ive watched wasnt telling me. My mind is blown, I just worked it out for 5 minutes and a giant weight has been lifted off my shoulders. Months of frustration just ended. Any combination RLKK, LRKK, RRKL you can think of works. I can’t thank you enough for this video.
hey man! from NYC and i drum in bands that headline rooms all over the boroughs. would love to meet up and talk drums when this is all over with .. lemme know if youre down!
A really fast way to explain this would be to just reference the original "Art of Bop Drumming," exercise were you play 2 left hand and 2 right foot as 8th triplets with no rests under the regular ride pattern and hi-hat. This way people can hear the regular pulse and the 4 over 3 thing at the same time.
Nate your stuff is really great, but it sometimes makes me feel like SpongeBob SquarePants (you) is trying to teach Patrick Starfish (me) how to successfully open a jar of pickles..😂
I purchased the roadmap with intentions of buying the course, but I noticed that I could only download it 3 times. Does that mean I only have access to the material 3 times and then it’s gone? I would only buy a course where access was unlimited. The
0:33 😂 i think everyone was thinking that lol
5:03 Hey now, I thought the only math prerequisite to drumming was being able to count to four... this isn't what I signed up for! 😂
Yeh. This one hurt my brain a bit. I'm going to claim it was me watching it after a long day
I am a double bassist, what its this 4 you speak of ? Does it come before 2?
Will B idk man
@@willb3698 It comes 2 more after 2. Just count to 2, 2 times. 😁
check out Alex Cohen lol
I'm just a rock drummer who plays 4/4 with long hair. How do I stop falling over + catching on fire when I try to play this
This comment totally made my day 😂
You're just trying too hard. Play it slowly and let it start to make YOU feel good
@@MrNeedsImprovementme to cos it’s me too
I remember seeing Vinnie live in the 80's, and among all the stuff I couldn't understand, I did catch a particular sixteenth note triplet fill (thinking 6 notes to a quarter at a reasonable 120-ish tempo). He doubled cymbals with his kick, but just focusing on the kick and hands linearly, the 4-note pattern was displaced, "Stick Control" style. Writing the triplet grouping to see visually on the page, with K=kick, the two-sextuplet + downbeat pattern was:
KLR KKL RKK LRK K
Just like in Nate's lesson, it's a 4-note pattern, here played three times over two quarter note pulses, then the final downbeat. It's kind of a 3 beat "hyper samba" over the two quarter notes.
Great lesson. When you said "I was stuck on the same kind of sixteenth note triplet fills" and then demonstrated a few, I thought 'that's exactly where I'm at.' Some of the exact same licks. So excited to try this out!
Haha
If you watch all of his videos UA-cam sends you an Associates degree in Musical theory.
0:34 Me every time I practice
I do a lot of this stuff more intuitively than anything else so it's nice to have an actual analysis of what the heck I'm trying to accomplish. Something to practice in this isolated times.
These exercises are really good to practise with double-bass pedals. It makes you practice the alternation between the 2 legs very well.
I hadn't a clue at the beginning - trying to decipher the timing. I mean - I know a triplet when I see one - but fast drumming? non. Glad I stayed to the end - I got a good deal of it. Thanks.
For another clear example of this check out Prince's "Muse to the Pharaoh" toward the end, about 4:08
That Toto vid is so legendary
Probably one of the best UA-cam drum teachers
So I've been watching these videos for months... And I'm a singer. But honestly this is the first time I was truly clueless about what was happening. :(
I guess not being a drummer eventually shows it's limits somewhere.
Still, I watched the whole thing!!! And I've saved it to come back to in a few months.
Such a great explanation thank you very much 🙌🏻
I'm grateful that I came across this video by chance. I love learning new stuff like this to keep me interested and motivated.
I am very thankful for just randomly found this vid.
and this suits to me cause I'm only self taught in drums, now I really understand why this professional drummers had an amazing drum fills, and what the Triplet and Hertas really differentiate. .
MARAMING SALMAT PO!(Thank you very much in Filipino 😊🤘🤘)
I always found counting this way One triplett , two triplett to be slightly clunky , I mean it doesn't fall of your tongue easily . I kinda prefer a variation of 16th note counting by just going 1 an a 2 an a, 3 an a so on and so forth. Or another variant is 1 e an 2 e an 3 e an . They just are much easiier to focus on what your playing than what your saying !! That's my 2 cents !!
I'm not feeling triplet or e an either. In 1965 it was 1 and a, 2 and a. That just feels more rhythmic as a 3 note pattern to me.
I've been following your content for a while. Helped me grow as a drummer and for that I am grateful.
Having said that, I would urge you to introduce on-screen cues along with the pieces you give when citing examples for a certain idea. It would be a great help insofar as consolidating the points you try to make. Like maybe dots/visual cues counting along the grooves. I would also be very invested in a masterclass on "rhythm appreciation" maybe? Or how a drummer of the western tradition would perceive a piece. Cheers
Extremely advanced lesson. Literally the bread and butter for how to get those gospel chops. I guess it’s all about watching it slowly and trying to get it on your own time although I would love a lesson
Something I've enjoyed doing is taking the duple stick control patterns and playing as triplets which is kinda what you're talking about here. Keeping four on the floor really contrasts with the half-note triplet outline. Makes it stick out as this really massive polyrhythm which is easier for an audience to notice. Playing really linearly is something I should work on more though. I need to get my bass drum into my melodies.
Not only was David counting, but he was alternating eyebrow raises too. Skills.
Dude thank you so much, this really helped elevate the way I think and play about how the gospel pro players do. Much love!
Very helpful... More please
Thanks for another great show. One thing , My Guy
You're actually 💯 ! Props.
Be well
You speak sacrilege, Sir. The Six Stroke Roll is the most amazing rudiment evah!
Great Lesson, I love time cheating!
You've changed up your P Shuffle on here. Awesome 😎
Great sounding drums Are KEY. Great timing. Great humor
Sean Wright is a different breed
Thank you...oh and by the way, I got a chance to witness Chris Coleman live playing for Chaka Khan and I also had the pleasure of watching Aaron Spears live playing for Usher and both were extremely entertaining to watch. They both were flawless.
just the way you explain i had no i idea
I took some lessons about 20 years ago from Woody Thompson... he showed me a bunch of stuff like this & called it ‘suspended triplets’ but it was always in the context of a jazz exercise, like from the Jim Chapin book... using this in filled never occurred to me until I saw this vid...
I been trying to get it for a long time, this is so helpful, thanks
That permutation thing you mention is something I've been coming across and realizing lately. At first it was really annoying because I would get lost in the cycle over some time I started to realize how valuable it is for blending mistakes and being able to improvise through them to prevent having to stop and start over.. even so too much of it can cause too much confusion and end completely lost to the point of starting over in order to get back to the origi al exercise..One thing that permutation is great for is knowing which beats can link/ fit together easier with better flow and less of a seam so it doesn't sound so choppy.. i get these concepts but in practice i still feel like a beginner..
I really dig this channel.
I love your videos my dude. Keep it up! Thanks for sharing!
Great Job. Thanks for the clear and concise explanations!
I must be an empty vessel (uneducated drummer) because each time I listen to your videos it is like taking a long, cool drink of water. Things always feel better when I'm done.
its fun combining a quick bossanova/samba into it with the natural double kick on the fills u can really fuck with some fusion.
Awesome lesson Mate insightful humorous and taking the drums to higher levels cheers lad
Thanks so much for this man! I've been stuck in some sort of rut as well, especially with triplets. Very insightful. I'll definitely be using this
Yes man :) you pointed up interest thing.. Let me go to study it!
“My first thought was I SUCK!” LOL...that’s me! I had just sat down this morning to work on my KLR (or KRL for righties) triplets, and here this video was. Thank you.
Good lesson. Been fuckin around with the 6 stroke recently yet i haven't applied it to any triplet fills or chops. Nice one 80/20
not just a good teacher,but a GREAT editor :)
Love how you break it all down~! Good stuff man
Loved this video
I' m a rock drummer and I found it hard to understand the second half of the video, but that sounded so great that I' l give my best to learn
One thing that helped me a lot in this kind of thing was to just be able to play trips with a double stroke roll. Easiest way is to start with a 12 hit pattern over a metronome. Accent every 3rd hit to keep your brain in gear. LlrRllRrlLrr
You are doing gods work my friend!
thanks like it ..well it helps .thanks bro
Putting 3 groups of 4 over 4 groups of 3 is a great way of making 12/8 sound like 3/4 and you can mess with people's minds with that.
Selectively doubling triplets is a common part of a lot of samba percussion calls.
noice
@@8020drummer Well thanks. I'm really enjoying your videos. I'm a returning drummer and coming back with a lot more wisdom. Watching these only helps. And the drum set up video since I know bugger all about drum set up.
Oh man you have a magic at your lips when you talking for these things!! You make it seems so exciting!! Nice video too
Love tou, and the videos, they até helping me through my study on the drums, thanks
Nice analysis. Nice playing...
love your videos. Thank you for them.
Good Video. Lars Ulrich also has some good examples with the 3 over 4 feel.
I need your intro track, love your content mate
I love sean wright
So cool here. Tx.
Thanks Nate. 👊
Ive grown to like channel more and more
Thank you 🥁👍💯
Great stuff (U.K.).
This actually dope thinking
THANK YOU MAN! 🙏🙏
Really love your videos!
i get happy whenever i see istanbul cymbals :)
Great lesson!
You’re a good dude.👍
KKRL or RLKK is the most commonly used "Sexytuplet" in thrash metal.
“How would I do that Nate? You’re all the way over in New York City, wherever that is, and I’m here, in greater Dubuque...”😆 oh, wait, I live in greater Dubuque...hmmmm, maybe its time for me to sign up for those lessons. By the way, ten bonus points to anyone who knows where Dubuque is!! 👍
It's 42 miles east of Greeley, Iowa where I live. We could interact and do the lessons together.
@@RandyBrooksKnows which is about 200 miles from Dsm where I live! Too bad we cldn't all three get together and hash this out! Lol Props to IA drummers!
but first... channel theme... love it
Thankyou
Thanks.👍
Thank you, you dont know what you just did for me. Ive been suspecting a double kick or a double R or a double L. Ive been struggling to speed up the standard RLK or LRK to a mountain of frustration.
So basically its a lie within a truth. It’s actually not a triplet, its 4 beats 3 times 🧐
Its a magic trick.
So basically the RLK or LRK is little more than a good exercise in separation and syncopation. You can use them in spots for color but if you really want to blow some minds double up the kick🦵 🦵.
I get your statement about your triplets getting “stale”, thats exectly where I am. I knew there was something that the 1100 drumming videos Ive watched wasnt telling me.
My mind is blown, I just worked it out for 5 minutes and a giant weight has been lifted off my shoulders. Months of frustration just ended. Any combination RLKK, LRKK, RRKL you can think of works. I can’t thank you enough for this video.
This one is my favorite so far
Hello can you4 do a video explaining time signature
Your video style is earthy, and at the same time, thoughtful. But... 15/8 time.... That is scary sh.. for most of us.
Woah, that was fuckin awesome. Deff need to do this
hey man! from NYC and i drum in bands that headline rooms all over the boroughs. would love to meet up and talk drums when this is all over with .. lemme know if youre down!
What’s a good pulse to play underneath this on a metronome?
super cool!
Triplets have this cool and groovy feel to them, love me some triplets.
From your thumbnail, I almost thought you were gonna teach us drumming in hebrew.
helps if u write the sheet music that you are playing please, , Thanks
A really fast way to explain this would be to just reference the original "Art of Bop Drumming," exercise were you play 2 left hand and 2 right foot as 8th triplets with no rests under the regular ride pattern and hi-hat. This way people can hear the regular pulse and the 4 over 3 thing at the same time.
DanDjembe John loves that one
@@8020drummer The guy who wrote the book? Do you actually know him irl? That's sick!
Man! Harshh! Too much words.. just play it!
Nate your stuff is really great, but it sometimes makes me feel like SpongeBob SquarePants (you) is trying to teach Patrick Starfish (me) how to successfully open a jar of pickles..😂
Nice
:)
Pls try showing you pedal
So what’s the pattern that your using never heard you say
I purchased the roadmap with intentions of buying the course, but I noticed that I could only download it 3 times. Does that mean I only have access to the material 3 times and then it’s gone? I would only buy a course where access was unlimited. The
great! I become a drummer because I suck at math and then this comes my way
5:19 I feel like you're being a bit cavalier with the "very" qualifier here
sean wright is a triplet god
Bello
Pls help !! Stick pattern of 9:03 thanks
Wait I am in the greater Dubuque area! Are you from Iowa? Hard to tell from your voice, but I suppose I would guess not
Wow
Now it's like if Mr bean and Sheldon he'd a child together... You are what they birthed.