All I'm gonna say is... if they don't get that search function in for cargo/inventory in live, I'm gonna be real sad. We already fought them on this the first time inventory came out.. I don't want to fight them a second time for something that should be a basic feature.
@SaltEMike Yeah it ain't there. It's the first thing I went looking for. Hopefully it'll make it in before live but.. prior history tells me it won't and got forgotten about. We'll see. Still enjoyed the rest of the cargo stuff but that stuck out for me - it's gonna make sorting through a bunch of items a real pain in the ass.
Search functionality won't come in until they get the database stable. Search functionality is an extremely stressful process on databases. Don't expect to see it until 4.0.
Things like search and sorting thing alphabetically hasn't quite reached CIG developers yet 😂 Nikax or whatever it's called also doesn't have search. Effectively, that makes it almost entirely unusable
@@Billy-bc8pk It's already calling all the objects you have displayed the second you open the terminal. Narrowing down the results from information that's already been loaded from DB and displayed to you should not add more of a strain than it did when it originally called all the items in the first place because at that point all you're doing is excluding information. It shouldn't then be doing another DB call just to narrow it down. It makes no sense.
As much as my monkey brain dislikes CIG pushing back features and renaming updates, I'm glad they're doing cargo elevators justice so far. You know its looking good when SaltEMike isn't verbally ripping it to shreds lol!
@@Stellar-Nucleosynthesis Sadly, it is responses like this which is why EVO keeps having to be under various levels NDAs. EVO is a patch work of specific feature testing, not the full patch. Can't say anything for sure about what will or won't make it into the patch until late stage PTU.
Saltemike is like paid opposition, says basic complaints about SC the. Goes on to praise it Everytime. I enjoy the content but it feels contrived. Just saying.
@SaltEMike much appreciated. As a backer whose biggest ship, not in concept, is a corsair. I've been wanting to know if loaners count towards hangar size.
I hope it get reduced, 5 hours would be bonkers. Make the credits get paid after it finishes loading, then it would be kinda fine. Imagine waiting 5 hours and got server error. Can you confirm that the hangar would be 'persistent' if we leave our ship autoreloading and go do some bunker mission? Or something to that effect, when we return did it persist even after the instances streamed out? Anyway, great update, Mike!
Sounds like prison all over again. Five hour wait? Guess I'll log out and go play something else. Maybe I'll remember I have cargo to fly in a day or two.
@@Matt-sf9kyyup. If the gameplay makes you want to log out and play another game for 5 hours they’ve messed up. I think their goal is for you to do something ELSE while waiting 5 hours. Maybe go do bounties or mining with another ship. But if you don’t want to do that and just run cargo, yeah your whole night is blown by the cargo timer I like the idea of moving things but this all seems like additional steps with no real reason. Currently you land, store and sell. Now you have to land, manually unload all your boxes to another part of the hangar, then go sell. It doesn’t really add anything other than “gameplay”
I’m not super excited by what I’ve read about player gear with the new storage system Having to drag one item at a time over to the dispenser then getting the menu to equip the item sounds awful and apparently you can’t just drop stuff, it’s an evocative build but that sounds like something they need to fix Plus cargo gets the option to just pay and automatically load your stuff, why didn’t they just do that for player items 🤦♂️
CIG already have said that tractor beams will be changed!! the Pyro one will be for up to 4 scu, the big one up to 16 and you will need a vehicle for bigger...........was posted a while ago, and we really need an update.
Hangar size being based on just what you pledge for is stupid. Outside of my vulture I am trying to only pledge for ships you can't get in game. So because I have over $800 of small ships, I get small hangars even though I own a Phoenix in game.
Ehh to extent I think they are kinda high now, what is gonna give value to cargo is cargo missions. Just raising the value well casue an imbalance. We can’t make a mill so easy, should take time.
High timers are a no go for me. This would completely limit me playing anything cargo. Loading 1000+scu by hand sounds okay if there were 100scu containers movable with a hand tractor beam.
Yah ... my experience with the patch was not even close to yours. Made it to my hanger only ONE time. ASOP stopped working after calling ONE ship. Freight elevator console was completely unresponsive. The Kiosks to get and equip the gear are OVERLY tedious. I have to interact with it to put it in the drawer. Then you have to interact with it again to open the drawer and put it on. The level of TEDIOUS in this game is getting out of control. You spend more time fighting UIs and preparing to get in your ship than you do FLYING your ships. Now MM makes flying even LESS fun. Yes this was a EVO test. I, like you, have had worse EVO patches. However, the game is becoming less and less fun with each patch.
@Yeti Yes it is getting out of hand the amount of time spent doing nothing after server error or something else makes everything you did disappear. However, remember there is a game full of tens of thousands of players perfectly happy with paying a monthly fee and more money to do nothing in space for hours on end called Eve. CIG knows there it's a lucrative market for this
Cargo timers omg.. 5h is not the problem its thetimer itself as long as its more than a few minutes. I actually have a RL and RL job. I play for fun and love the simulation kinda games, but I dont want to play this game just to spend all day moving boxes around.. Come on CIG, realism is greate, BUT.....
So essentially if you have a Carrack (not me) and plan on using it for cargo hauling now, you’re essentially locked out of using it. Or any cargo ship whose doors don’t work. Waiting 5 hours is pretty nuts lol
I only got a quick half hour, then it disconnected and just couldnt get back in. Constant 30k trying to log in to servers night vision should be through the helmets when on foot, not scopes
I would say both to an extent, like combat helmets should have nv but also nv scopes I feel will always be a thing and allows for a lesser version of nv should you not have a combat helmet.
Big ThanX for keeping us in the loop @SaltEMike What scares the crap out of me, is the time sink on time sink in relation to now having to use these consoles to get equipment, armor, weapons etc. If this is not working when CIG releases this into the PU, it will be even more time sink and waste of time playing! As if this game did not already have enough time sinks! Anyhow! lets cross our finger and take a biiiiig Hopium dose to keep being High! Cheers! and I hope you got some Zzzzzleep!
So will pers. hangars just be gifted to you based on your biggest ship, that just get bigger when you buy a bigger ship, or do you have to buy the hangars and buy the size upgrades for it?
This is one of the better Evo's I've seen (Evo since Sept 2021). This makes sense because they tried to have this ready by 3.23. Can you imagine if they did release it with 3.23? I had very few bugs, a good test all in all.
Visual design 8/10; logic design 2/10; basic, fundamental, long overdue non-advanced gameplay bugfixes progress 1/10, server stability 3/10. As usual, biting off more than they can chew, throwing IN features, throwing OUT common sense and good computing principles. Sales Team 9/10.
Well the 'immersion' or 'realism' argument for that much time would only make sense if tractor beams and hover carts weren't a thing in the game. It doesn't take that long to load pallets into a cargo plane in real life. That time would sound reasonable if by 'loading' the ship they mean putting together the contents of each crate, THEN loading the crates into the ship. Even then, it would still take less time to forklift in a few large boxes rather than hundreds of small ones(hopefully they change that at least).
I think its intentional and I strongly support it. The 5 hours may be a place holder and I'm sure by the time this is final it will be a balance of time and money to use automation. But it should a be A LOT of time and money to use automation. There are a ton of quick fix, fast travel, Instant action games out there. This isn't one nor will be one. It's more than 70% Sim and there is a market need for it. They want us to plan then act. I like the direction
I should also mention that, in my opinion, it should not be THAT much slower than it would take for a player to load the ship. Only way that much time would make sense for an npc to load a ship is if we stay with these t-posing, standing on benches mannequins we have now. A time-based punishment/incentive is usually worse than than a monetary one in my opinion. I'd rather it cost a pretty penny(in credits) to auto load the ship rather than wait that much time.
This whole Star Citizen thing is becoming more and more hilarious, for months i've heard this guy say this will be my update i will play the wheels of of this thing omg you don't even understand wahwahwah. and then somebody asks them hey is there a search function, oh i haven't looked they say. Or when they have to talk about the terminals he knows everyone hates or are controversial at the least. He says they are actually REALLY SMOOTH.... WHAT!!?? what does that even mean ahole. and then fill all the video's time with where you can spawn ground vehicles and it doesn't work from here but it does work here. come one bro you are actively trying to say nothing as much as possible just like CIG. Their last video's feel borderline movie trailer epic's. i hope your chair is nice an comfy my guy. have fun.
5 hours to fill a C2? WTF!!! I have 3 hours to play, what do I do? leave filling my only ship (c2) and come back the next day? this is stupid man. I miss the old Salt, more combative, more critical. You can tell we all have a price, what a shame.
5 hours... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Actually it's not even funny why do I waste my time with these developers. I guess this is so you have something to do with a fleet like a mobile game. The more ships you have the more you can load simultaneously to be ready the next time you log in. It also give people a reason not just to own a C2 but 10x C2s. Clearly the intention isn't really for you to be able to fly around and use the ship anymore because the typical persons play session isn't 5 hours. The whole mechanic is there to make sure you expand a fleet. It's like how many plots of land you can grow at a time in Farmville on facebook but instead how many ships you can have filled in a day. It would also be shit if we were waiting 5 minutes though. After spending 10 minutes in quantum, 3 minutes on elevators, 15 minutes for an insurance claim etc. The last the game needs (and basically the only thing the game doesn't need) is time sinks. At least by making players wait 5 hours they're saying "You're not supposed to stand around and wait for this" but we're still creating a shitty pay-to-win mobile game. Maybe we'll be able to buy boosters (talking real money of course) to speed up the timers in the future.
Are the cargo trolleys definitely slower than the tractor beam? Wouldn't tractor beam require you to run back and forth between ship and elevator? I feel like they could be quite equal when moving a bunch of items onto cargo trolley > moving cargo > removing cargo from trolley VS moving via tractor beam one at a time. Especially when considering future uses of cargo trolley where you could be moving further distances, it would definitely not be efficient to use only the tractor beam as you would have to walk that distance for each cargo container one at a time.
So will we get assigned a bigger personal hangar if we buy a bigger ship, or are we locked to what ever size we get at the beginning of the patch? Edit: nvm read the patch notes and CIG is being dumb again. If you start with a small fighter you will get a small personal hangar and you won't get a bigger hangar if you buy a bigger ship ingame...
How will claiming your ship at another location work? Storage in ships will also be persistent right? So put a gun down in ship, store ship, spawn ship, gun remains in ship. What happens if you do a claim at another station? Does the ship claim also bring the gun you put down? if yes will this work the same with cargo?
I hopped on star Citizen the other day for the first time in a few months and I lasted about 10 minutes before I realized this game is just still a complete joke.
Sooo. The issue is that the servers can't handle all the special events CIG likes to showcase. People feel like the servers always suck but skip over the fact that CIG runs events back to back which hurt the servers. New 3.23 patch came out followed by Invictus with free fly week, then Defense con, then alien week, then xenothreat. It's all those special events that make the game seem to suck. Sure the event sounds fun but it creates such a strain on their servers by spawning hundreds of ship artifacts with hundreds of ai crews that it just make the game unplayable, during the event. There have been weeks and even a month where NO events run and the game is highly playable.
O yea, I have always wanted to work in an Amazon fulfillment center and now it looks like I can and I wonder if I will get paid for all the overtime I will be forced to work?
5 hr is better only for EVO The causual with money is not a second live player. This "X" SCU per Hanger means all inventory or only cargo space or is this the elevator size?
This is cool and all, but the way they are implementing this, you will have to spend a lot of time just loading and/or unloading cargo to/from your ship, im talking potentially hours. That is insane to me because if you don't have a lot of time per day to play you will be making very slow progress. I just hope that cargo delivery missions wont run on a timer or disappear if you have to logout for whatever reason or this will suck. I can see this getting mundane chore work pretty fast because at the end of the day while realism is a nice touch, most people just want to get shit done as fast as possible and this game already has extremely slow travel speeds even to fairly close destinations, let alone if you have to travel through multiple star systems to get to your final destination and then you also have to count in manually loading and unloading of cargo. All that being said, im looking forward to this patch, if nothing else its something new to try out, but im just afraid that it will become jarring very fast. Obviously this is me from the outside looking in since i don't have access to evo so i could be totally wrong all this and the whole process is actually pretty fast, at least that's my hope
The trolley thing is interesting because the way i handle looted cargo / bodies ect in the game at present is I grab one box at a time and move them the max distance i can with the tractor. set it down / stop it there in space and then move the next thing till i have a cluster moved forward and then i go forward and do the next leg. The trolley seems like a less frustrating way of doing that. Especially because you could probably leave the crates off it and use it as a trolley for bodies from outdoor FPS combat locations lmao.
2:57 face flash was creepy, lol. overall i gotta say, i don't have any opinion on the upcoming features yet. we'll see how they feel/play soon enough :)
5 hours?! Wtf is this, i have a life to live CIG! I dont have that kind of time to waste like that! I have work, family etc... Only have a couple of hours a day, and probably not every day... This is insane! 10 to 30 minutes, perhaps, but 5 hours? Wtf CIG...
Refinery jobs can be 60 hours, it all depends on profits and things like that too. Also this seems super place holder and makes little sense. It’s 30 seconds per SCU and doesn’t factor in the box size at all…
How would flying a Mole to the space station and selling quantanium work? Will I have to unload the bags in the hanger or would I still store the ship?
Do the hangers take the largest ship i paid for with real money. For example i own a F8c lighting for real money, and in game i own a star runner for auec Will it let me spawn the star runner?
Timer should be equivalent to as if you did it in real time. It doesn't take 5hrs to load it up why does it need to take that long to unload it. Guess we have the same logistics problems in the future.
Don't really care of this works. This is going to make taking your personal items in and out for item banks its so daunting and waste of time.. now personal hangar and ability to put vehicles in the hangar.. huge plus.
This sounds great, honestly....a move in the right direction. I might actually play 3.24 whenever it hits. It makes me think/hope, though....with all the furniture and extra bits with personal hangars....god I hope they start to move their model toward selling hangar flair, eventually home/apartment flair, ship ornaments, skins and other cosmetics for their funding model after the game hits 1.0. I know I'm dreaming, but my biggest detractor with SC, in spite of its many flaws, is that being able to outright buy a ships/weapons/armor post-launch is the most blatant p2w you can imagine. Stopping at 1.0 wouldn't fix it but at least help in the long-run as the playing field slowly equalizes. If they don't and just keep selling basically everything but reputation, I just don't think I could see myself playing this game much or very seriously....like, what's the point
I think they are just missing a simple line in cargo math. They obviously have a number for how long it takes to load 1SCU so they just need to divide that total time by the box size to get the final loading time. Should be an easy adjustment. 672 SCU @ 1 SCU ~ 5 hrs 40 mins 672 SCU @ 32 SCU ~ 10 mins My guess is they figure 2 - 1 SCU boxes per minute
seems like exaggerated recoil is becoming more and more common in all games. the devs need to go do some range days with some pros to see what weapon handling is really like
I'm not worried about current autoloading times, CIG frequently nerfs or buffs certain things precisely to encourage us to engage in the behavior they're trying to test. Like making Salvage so lucrative right when it was released. Right now they want us to be testing manual loading, not so much autoloading.
You meantioned hangers have different SCU size depending on size, Do you know if all hangers have the same "Internal" storage space once put away? To me it's a bit pay to win having different size Freight Elevators depending on what ship you own but having less storage space overall would be complete BS
@SaltEMike I have the "Ironclad," and the loaner is the "Caterpillar". Do you know of any valid source that clarify whether the hangar size assignment takes the loaner ship into account?
This patch sounds great for piracy. Especially at scrap yards now that you can’t just click a few buttons at a terminal to offload drugs. It’s gonna add some great game play.
Thanks, SaltEMike. I heard your Cat meowing @ 7:58. How is your Kitty doing? As for what others mentioned below. The search function I guess won't show up until later. What if they disable the hand tractor beam where Cargo Trollys are available? I hope you can work with it along with the Trollys.
The 5 hours sounds like a typo. I feel like it should be longer than it'd take you solo but that just seems weirdly long, but also it not scaling to the number of boxes is weirder. So it sounds like they just put numbers in for the moment.
Thought of something with the levitating cargo carriers. If we can put it in our ships, we can use SCUs of boxes or even furniture as cover, then while one guy pushes it, 4 or 5 people get on it with weapons and shoot all bad guys. This could make clearing Distribution centers Very fun, funny and interesting. You can now basicaly do a Drive by in Star Citizen.
Large most likely, hard to tell when you have an XL. I was getting random sizes and I dont own a corsair. But most likely large. Also a little hint, buy something XL for in game money and you might get an XL...in .24
Waiting an extra subpatch cycle for these features has sucked but I gotta say I'm not just impressed but excited. For a first patch the issues seem pretty fixable by live. Really interested to see the new missions and how all these changes will interact with the greater PU and affect the feeling/economy.
New Outpost elevators work ok but, are the new outpost working? Did server meshing test made AI 3X more responsive so new outpost gameplay is descent now?
If it hasn't already been said, can somebody attempt bed logging in their hangar? Maybe they lifted the armastice restrictions and it would save so much time!
Maybe make the elevator take you to your hanger on a key swipe and who ever swipes their key will take the lift to the location then get rid of the asop area terminals only have your hanger one and when you request take off if all hangers that match your size will que up and the doors open when you're instanced to the world again. Then you get the illusion of a star port having more hangers because everyone can just launch and doesn't matter how many are in the lobby which really needs social activities like arcade html5 mini games a juke box and so on the lifts needed and accessing another player's hanger can only be done if the owner scans their accsess key, be interesting to see this part evolve but i really want flora fauna and harvesters
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I love puns as much as the next person, but I'm very sorry you had to say "manvironments". XD
Mike if you don't own one yet, the handyman is the best shaver / trimmer I've ever bought in my life hands down.
All I'm gonna say is... if they don't get that search function in for cargo/inventory in live, I'm gonna be real sad. We already fought them on this the first time inventory came out.. I don't want to fight them a second time for something that should be a basic feature.
I honestly forgot to look, lemme look back at my recording:
Yep there is none.
@SaltEMike Yeah it ain't there. It's the first thing I went looking for. Hopefully it'll make it in before live but.. prior history tells me it won't and got forgotten about. We'll see. Still enjoyed the rest of the cargo stuff but that stuck out for me - it's gonna make sorting through a bunch of items a real pain in the ass.
Search functionality won't come in until they get the database stable. Search functionality is an extremely stressful process on databases. Don't expect to see it until 4.0.
Things like search and sorting thing alphabetically hasn't quite reached CIG developers yet 😂 Nikax or whatever it's called also doesn't have search. Effectively, that makes it almost entirely unusable
@@Billy-bc8pk It's already calling all the objects you have displayed the second you open the terminal. Narrowing down the results from information that's already been loaded from DB and displayed to you should not add more of a strain than it did when it originally called all the items in the first place because at that point all you're doing is excluding information. It shouldn't then be doing another DB call just to narrow it down. It makes no sense.
As much as my monkey brain dislikes CIG pushing back features and renaming updates, I'm glad they're doing cargo elevators justice so far. You know its looking good when SaltEMike isn't verbally ripping it to shreds lol!
Brotha it's an Evo build what about it is it that you're unhappy with?@@Stellar-Nucleosynthesis
@@Stellar-Nucleosynthesis but they are not. Its EVO, not LIVE build. If they will release it without full functionality to LIVE, than, i would agree.
@@Stellar-Nucleosynthesis Sadly, it is responses like this which is why EVO keeps having to be under various levels NDAs. EVO is a patch work of specific feature testing, not the full patch. Can't say anything for sure about what will or won't make it into the patch until late stage PTU.
Saltemike is like paid opposition, says basic complaints about SC the. Goes on to praise it Everytime. I enjoy the content but it feels contrived.
Just saying.
Was wondering if you would get a video out tonight. Up late tonight. Thanks for posting
I tested the entire time, I feel like many other videos were looking to get out quick. I did as much as I could.
@SaltEMike much appreciated. As a backer whose biggest ship, not in concept, is a corsair. I've been wanting to know if loaners count towards hangar size.
I hope it get reduced, 5 hours would be bonkers. Make the credits get paid after it finishes loading, then it would be kinda fine. Imagine waiting 5 hours and got server error.
Can you confirm that the hangar would be 'persistent' if we leave our ship autoreloading and go do some bunker mission? Or something to that effect, when we return did it persist even after the instances streamed out?
Anyway, great update, Mike!
Sounds like prison all over again.
Five hour wait? Guess I'll log out and go play something else. Maybe I'll remember I have cargo to fly in a day or two.
@@Matt-sf9kyyup. If the gameplay makes you want to log out and play another game for 5 hours they’ve messed up. I think their goal is for you to do something ELSE while waiting 5 hours. Maybe go do bounties or mining with another ship. But if you don’t want to do that and just run cargo, yeah your whole night is blown by the cargo timer
I like the idea of moving things but this all seems like additional steps with no real reason. Currently you land, store and sell. Now you have to land, manually unload all your boxes to another part of the hangar, then go sell. It doesn’t really add anything other than “gameplay”
I’m not super excited by what I’ve read about player gear with the new storage system
Having to drag one item at a time over to the dispenser then getting the menu to equip the item sounds awful and apparently you can’t just drop stuff, it’s an evocative build but that sounds like something they need to fix
Plus cargo gets the option to just pay and automatically load your stuff, why didn’t they just do that for player items 🤦♂️
CIG already have said that tractor beams will be changed!! the Pyro one will be for up to 4 scu, the big one up to 16 and you will need a vehicle for bigger...........was posted a while ago, and we really need an update.
Please, no.
That will just make things more complicated for the sake of making things more complicated...
so if i understand you wil now manualy unload your vehicle. if so how will i unload a carrack if the side cargo doors wont open.
You can also auto-load it for a higher price, at least that's whats planned
Hangar size being based on just what you pledge for is stupid. Outside of my vulture I am trying to only pledge for ships you can't get in game. So because I have over $800 of small ships, I get small hangars even though I own a Phoenix in game.
If the timers are this high, cargo prices need to also see a hike. Which will benefit both traders/space truckers. And also Pirates.
But if gameplay makes you money why would you spend real cash on ships?
Ehh to extent I think they are kinda high now, what is gonna give value to cargo is cargo missions. Just raising the value well casue an imbalance. We can’t make a mill so easy, should take time.
High timers are a no go for me. This would completely limit me playing anything cargo. Loading 1000+scu by hand sounds okay if there were 100scu containers movable with a hand tractor beam.
Yah ... my experience with the patch was not even close to yours. Made it to my hanger only ONE time. ASOP stopped working after calling ONE ship. Freight elevator console was completely unresponsive. The Kiosks to get and equip the gear are OVERLY tedious. I have to interact with it to put it in the drawer. Then you have to interact with it again to open the drawer and put it on. The level of TEDIOUS in this game is getting out of control. You spend more time fighting UIs and preparing to get in your ship than you do FLYING your ships. Now MM makes flying even LESS fun. Yes this was a EVO test. I, like you, have had worse EVO patches. However, the game is becoming less and less fun with each patch.
@Yeti Yes it is getting out of hand the amount of time spent doing nothing after server error or something else makes everything you did disappear. However, remember there is a game full of tens of thousands of players perfectly happy with paying a monthly fee and more money to do nothing in space for hours on end called Eve. CIG knows there it's a lucrative market for this
Remember that phrase from Terry Gilliam's excellent film BRAZIL, namely, "My complication got a complication."
What a great movie tbfh
DeNiro's best role
Cargo timers omg.. 5h is not the problem its thetimer itself as long as its more than a few minutes. I actually have a RL and RL job. I play for fun and love the simulation kinda games, but I dont want to play this game just to spend all day moving boxes around.. Come on CIG, realism is greate, BUT.....
Then manually do it yourself, this level of logistics has been planned and talked about FOR YEARS
So essentially if you have a Carrack (not me) and plan on using it for cargo hauling now, you’re essentially locked out of using it.
Or any cargo ship whose doors don’t work. Waiting 5 hours is pretty nuts lol
:(
One step forward, two steps back for some ships, but hey here's a new concept sale due out 2033.
Have to assume the times are placeholder and will be updated /balanced
not true. autoloading is a thing
@@mndeg he said "essentially locked out" and even stated the reason: 5 hours wait time for autoloading. So yes what he said is absolutely true!
Cool Yes and working wow but 5 hours. they ware pushing self loading so much. how long would it take you to load a fatapillar by hand ?
I only got a quick half hour, then it disconnected and just couldnt get back in. Constant 30k trying to log in to servers
night vision should be through the helmets when on foot, not scopes
I would say both to an extent, like combat helmets should have nv but also nv scopes I feel will always be a thing and allows for a lesser version of nv should you not have a combat helmet.
@@bigfoot9049 agreed
dope evo update, your energy says a lot about this test. thanks
5 hours!? Hope they don’t want casual dad truckers in their game 😂😂😂😂 people are going to lose their shit and rightfully so
By the end, i think only second lifers will be playing the PU
Did he say five hours
sadly yes…doesn’t make a ton of sense.
Big ThanX for keeping us in the loop @SaltEMike What scares the crap out of me, is the time sink on time sink in relation to now having to use these consoles to get equipment, armor, weapons etc. If this is not working when CIG releases this into the PU, it will be even more time sink and waste of time playing! As if this game did not already have enough time sinks! Anyhow! lets cross our finger and take a biiiiig Hopium dose to keep being High! Cheers! and I hope you got some Zzzzzleep!
So will pers. hangars just be gifted to you based on your biggest ship, that just get bigger when you buy a bigger ship, or do you have to buy the hangars and buy the size upgrades for it?
This is one of the better Evo's I've seen (Evo since Sept 2021). This makes sense because they tried to have this ready by 3.23. Can you imagine if they did release it with 3.23? I had very few bugs, a good test all in all.
Visual design 8/10; logic design 2/10; basic, fundamental, long overdue non-advanced gameplay bugfixes progress 1/10, server stability 3/10. As usual, biting off more than they can chew, throwing IN features, throwing OUT common sense and good computing principles. Sales Team 9/10.
Sales team 11/10, CIG have proven the absolute masters of whale capture.
I thought whaling was abolished? 🤔 @@Ogata123
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 so awesome to hear about these things. I can’t wait for it to hit the live. This is something I’ve been anticipating for quite some time! (:
5 hours to autoload if you don't want to play tractor beam tetris is ridiculous and will destroy cargo for the majority of players
I stated this and I will state it again. This one is hard to tell if it’s ready for feedback or not…
Well the 'immersion' or 'realism' argument for that much time would only make sense if tractor beams and hover carts weren't a thing in the game.
It doesn't take that long to load pallets into a cargo plane in real life. That time would sound reasonable if by 'loading' the ship they mean putting together the contents of each crate, THEN loading the crates into the ship.
Even then, it would still take less time to forklift in a few large boxes rather than hundreds of small ones(hopefully they change that at least).
I think its intentional and I strongly support it. The 5 hours may be a place holder and I'm sure by the time this is final it will be a balance of time and money to use automation. But it should a be A LOT of time and money to use automation. There are a ton of quick fix, fast travel, Instant action games out there. This isn't one nor will be one. It's more than 70% Sim and there is a market need for it. They want us to plan then act. I like the direction
I should also mention that, in my opinion, it should not be THAT much slower than it would take for a player to load the ship. Only way that much time would make sense for an npc to load a ship is if we stay with these t-posing, standing on benches mannequins we have now.
A time-based punishment/incentive is usually worse than than a monetary one in my opinion. I'd rather it cost a pretty penny(in credits) to auto load the ship rather than wait that much time.
SCU in the elevators is to small, you can't even store 1 ironclad SCU in a large hanger
Cheers Mike great vid buddy .
They put in a FIVE HOUR TIMER in a test environment? 🤣🤣 Anybody who's still putting a cent into SC gets everything he deserves, And waaay more 😂
This whole Star Citizen thing is becoming more and more hilarious, for months i've heard this guy say this will be my update i will play the wheels of of this thing omg you don't even understand wahwahwah. and then somebody asks them hey is there a search function, oh i haven't looked they say. Or when they have to talk about the terminals he knows everyone hates or are controversial at the least. He says they are actually REALLY SMOOTH.... WHAT!!?? what does that even mean ahole. and then fill all the video's time with where you can spawn ground vehicles and it doesn't work from here but it does work here. come one bro you are actively trying to say nothing as much as possible just like CIG. Their last video's feel borderline movie trailer epic's. i hope your chair is nice an comfy my guy. have fun.
5 hours to fill a C2? WTF!!! I have 3 hours to play, what do I do? leave filling my only ship (c2) and come back the next day? this is stupid man. I miss the old Salt, more combative, more critical. You can tell we all have a price, what a shame.
"like most ui things it will be updated"
Name literally one piece of UI that has been updated to be good.
UI is SHOCKINGLY amateur
5 hours... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Actually it's not even funny why do I waste my time with these developers.
I guess this is so you have something to do with a fleet like a mobile game. The more ships you have the more you can load simultaneously to be ready the next time you log in. It also give people a reason not just to own a C2 but 10x C2s. Clearly the intention isn't really for you to be able to fly around and use the ship anymore because the typical persons play session isn't 5 hours. The whole mechanic is there to make sure you expand a fleet. It's like how many plots of land you can grow at a time in Farmville on facebook but instead how many ships you can have filled in a day.
It would also be shit if we were waiting 5 minutes though. After spending 10 minutes in quantum, 3 minutes on elevators, 15 minutes for an insurance claim etc. The last the game needs (and basically the only thing the game doesn't need) is time sinks. At least by making players wait 5 hours they're saying "You're not supposed to stand around and wait for this" but we're still creating a shitty pay-to-win mobile game. Maybe we'll be able to buy boosters (talking real money of course) to speed up the timers in the future.
>crash
>tresspass in your own hangar
Knowing CIG's track record, this bug WILL make it into LIVE.
Thanks so much for the info Mike! I haven played 3.23 cause Im waiting for this and youre getting me excited for it!
Are the cargo trolleys definitely slower than the tractor beam? Wouldn't tractor beam require you to run back and forth between ship and elevator? I feel like they could be quite equal when moving a bunch of items onto cargo trolley > moving cargo > removing cargo from trolley VS moving via tractor beam one at a time. Especially when considering future uses of cargo trolley where you could be moving further distances, it would definitely not be efficient to use only the tractor beam as you would have to walk that distance for each cargo container one at a time.
So will we get assigned a bigger personal hangar if we buy a bigger ship, or are we locked to what ever size we get at the beginning of the patch?
Edit: nvm read the patch notes and CIG is being dumb again. If you start with a small fighter you will get a small personal hangar and you won't get a bigger hangar if you buy a bigger ship ingame...
5 HOURS?! WTF! That absolutely needs to change or the payout for cargo missions better be huge.
How will claiming your ship at another location work? Storage in ships will also be persistent right? So put a gun down in ship, store ship, spawn ship, gun remains in ship. What happens if you do a claim at another station? Does the ship claim also bring the gun you put down? if yes will this work the same with cargo?
Anybody else feel like CIG is grooming us to eventually have to pay them $$$ for our endless grind...
I hopped on star Citizen the other day for the first time in a few months and I lasted about 10 minutes before I realized this game is just still a complete joke.
Sooo. The issue is that the servers can't handle all the special events CIG likes to showcase. People feel like the servers always suck but skip over the fact that CIG runs events back to back which hurt the servers. New 3.23 patch came out followed by Invictus with free fly week, then Defense con, then alien week, then xenothreat. It's all those special events that make the game seem to suck. Sure the event sounds fun but it creates such a strain on their servers by spawning hundreds of ship artifacts with hundreds of ai crews that it just make the game unplayable, during the event. There have been weeks and even a month where NO events run and the game is highly playable.
Does your hurry up and wait cargo loading continue after a 30k Or is it lost 😂
This is becoming a phone game with less stability
5 hours to fill a C2?! WTF, this is a GAME, it should be 5 seconds per container...
On the other side I hope they nerf handheld tractor beams planet side, leave heavy stuff for the more powerful cargo bay tractors...
O yea, I have always wanted to work in an Amazon fulfillment center and now it looks like I can and I wonder if I will get paid for all the overtime I will be forced to work?
I just don't understand how cargo will work well at destination sites as multiple players may be trying to move stuff off or onto the same elevator
5 HOURS??? They really don't want you playing their game, do they?
5 hr is better only for EVO
The causual with money is not a second live player.
This "X" SCU per Hanger means all inventory or only cargo space or is this the elevator size?
👏 what 👏 about 👏ship 👏Night Vision 👏 in a ship game 👏
Also only NVG sights is dumb…. It should be tied to the helmet….
30min tops on loading with an expedite fee to cut it to 15 You want people playing your game not punish them for it.
This is cool and all, but the way they are implementing this, you will have to spend a lot of time just loading and/or unloading cargo to/from your ship, im talking potentially hours. That is insane to me because if you don't have a lot of time per day to play you will be making very slow progress. I just hope that cargo delivery missions wont run on a timer or disappear if you have to logout for whatever reason or this will suck. I can see this getting mundane chore work pretty fast because at the end of the day while realism is a nice touch, most people just want to get shit done as fast as possible and this game already has extremely slow travel speeds even to fairly close destinations, let alone if you have to travel through multiple star systems to get to your final destination and then you also have to count in manually loading and unloading of cargo. All that being said, im looking forward to this patch, if nothing else its something new to try out, but im just afraid that it will become jarring very fast. Obviously this is me from the outside looking in since i don't have access to evo so i could be totally wrong all this and the whole process is actually pretty fast, at least that's my hope
The trolley thing is interesting because the way i handle looted cargo / bodies ect in the game at present is I grab one box at a time and move them the max distance i can with the tractor. set it down / stop it there in space and then move the next thing till i have a cluster moved forward and then i go forward and do the next leg. The trolley seems like a less frustrating way of doing that. Especially because you could probably leave the crates off it and use it as a trolley for bodies from outdoor FPS combat locations lmao.
doubtful that the FM changes are coming anytime soon. PvP piloting is a mess rn
2:57 face flash was creepy, lol.
overall i gotta say, i don't have any opinion on the upcoming features yet. we'll see how they feel/play soon enough :)
I really like you ditching the intro, makes the videos more enjoyable.
Great job Mike! Thanks for your late night work!!!
How does this work with selling items from City inventory, does it remain the same?
We’re like 2 months away from 3.24, gents.
5 hours?! Wtf is this, i have a life to live CIG! I dont have that kind of time to waste like that! I have work, family etc... Only have a couple of hours a day, and probably not every day... This is insane! 10 to 30 minutes, perhaps, but 5 hours? Wtf CIG...
Refinery jobs can be 60 hours, it all depends on profits and things like that too. Also this seems super place holder and makes little sense. It’s 30 seconds per SCU and doesn’t factor in the box size at all…
“I totally hope they wont do cuz that would suck”
They will
Give us armor dummies to display our armor collections!
Finally. Been waiting for this for months
Shit, I'll do cargo loading for y'all at half price.
rather wait cos you know for a FACT! its not going to work.
I'd love for CIG to fix the issue with the Overlord's gauntlets clipping through the comms panel
Lol YES dude
I know you said you can't with ships, but I wonder if you can call a ground vehicle you own into a party member's hanger.
Nah same issue
Is it possible they’re making it too real?
How would flying a Mole to the space station and selling quantanium work? Will I have to unload the bags in the hanger or would I still store the ship?
don’t know yet, patch wasnt stable enough
Seems a bit much. You can hand load a C2 in a half hour. It basically renders the auto load completely pointless. Why even have it as an option?
Because I doubt it’s final, I made that very clear.
Do the hangers take the largest ship i paid for with real money. For example i own a F8c lighting for real money, and in game i own a star runner for auec
Will it let me spawn the star runner?
we won’t know on live, but in this PTU…it was based on UEC ships too
Timer should be equivalent to as if you did it in real time. It doesn't take 5hrs to load it up why does it need to take that long to unload it. Guess we have the same logistics problems in the future.
It is simply because they are counting the wrong wat
Thanks for the report SaltEMike
Thanks for the report SaltEMike
Got the notification that it EVO was live as I was leaving for DnD and it was over when I got back lol
What is the ship at 3:58? That isn't a C1 Spirit is it?
If there is an Intruder , will the armstice be temporarily lifted to defend you property?
Maybe but not yet.
Don't really care of this works. This is going to make taking your personal items in and out for item banks its so daunting and waste of time.. now personal hangar and ability to put vehicles in the hangar.. huge plus.
This sounds great, honestly....a move in the right direction. I might actually play 3.24 whenever it hits.
It makes me think/hope, though....with all the furniture and extra bits with personal hangars....god I hope they start to move their model toward selling hangar flair, eventually home/apartment flair, ship ornaments, skins and other cosmetics for their funding model after the game hits 1.0.
I know I'm dreaming, but my biggest detractor with SC, in spite of its many flaws, is that being able to outright buy a ships/weapons/armor post-launch is the most blatant p2w you can imagine. Stopping at 1.0 wouldn't fix it but at least help in the long-run as the playing field slowly equalizes. If they don't and just keep selling basically everything but reputation, I just don't think I could see myself playing this game much or very seriously....like, what's the point
I think they are just missing a simple line in cargo math. They obviously have a number for how long it takes to load 1SCU so they just need to divide that total time by the box size to get the final loading time. Should be an easy adjustment.
672 SCU @ 1 SCU ~ 5 hrs 40 mins
672 SCU @ 32 SCU ~ 10 mins
My guess is they figure 2 - 1 SCU boxes per minute
seems like exaggerated recoil is becoming more and more common in all games. the devs need to go do some range days with some pros to see what weapon handling is really like
Video starts at @2:10
There are chapters…
@@SaltEMikedidn’t see that until now. My bad. I usually don’t read the descriptions
I'm not worried about current autoloading times, CIG frequently nerfs or buffs certain things precisely to encourage us to engage in the behavior they're trying to test. Like making Salvage so lucrative right when it was released. Right now they want us to be testing manual loading, not so much autoloading.
love that ED inspired ship elevator. Will look good with the stolen EVE Ven... err Vulture.
fun thing is venture or the model was actually Cigs design and EVE ceo basicly asked if they could use it and chris allowed it.
Y’all think they’re not gonna sell furniture for real money ?
I wouldn’t mind it personally…
You meantioned hangers have different SCU size depending on size, Do you know if all hangers have the same "Internal" storage space once put away?
To me it's a bit pay to win having different size Freight Elevators depending on what ship you own but having less storage space overall would be complete BS
@SaltEMike
I have the "Ironclad," and the loaner is the "Caterpillar".
Do you know of any valid source that clarify whether the hangar size assignment takes the loaner ship into account?
This patch sounds great for piracy. Especially at scrap yards now that you can’t just click a few buttons at a terminal to offload drugs. It’s gonna add some great game play.
Thanks, SaltEMike. I heard your Cat meowing @ 7:58. How is your Kitty doing? As for what others mentioned below. The search function I guess won't show up until later. What if they disable the hand tractor beam where Cargo Trollys are available? I hope you can work with it along with the Trollys.
The 5 hours sounds like a typo. I feel like it should be longer than it'd take you solo but that just seems weirdly long, but also it not scaling to the number of boxes is weirder. So it sounds like they just put numbers in for the moment.
It’s not it’s just a thrown in number 30s per SCU box size is not taken into account.
@@SaltEMike Yeah if loading the big boxes is that close to loading the small boxes that seems like a strange choice.
5 HOURS?!?!?! to auto load cargo into a ship? I hope that was Salty being tired and mis-spoke... 5 minutes maybe, but 5 hours! No way
Well if it was 5m you would never manually load, but the main issue is the difference between box sizes…
@@SaltEMike I hear ya, but how slow are the NPC's?! Or is it just one NPC with a bad back? LOL
Thought of something with the levitating cargo carriers.
If we can put it in our ships, we can use SCUs of boxes or even furniture as cover, then while one guy pushes it, 4 or 5 people get on it with weapons and shoot all bad guys.
This could make clearing Distribution centers Very fun, funny and interesting.
You can now basicaly do a Drive by in Star Citizen.
So my biggest bought ship is a Corsair. What size hangar would I get?
Large most likely, hard to tell when you have an XL. I was getting random sizes and I dont own a corsair. But most likely large. Also a little hint, buy something XL for in game money and you might get an XL...in .24
@@SaltEMike Hohooo... INTERESTING.
Waiting an extra subpatch cycle for these features has sucked but I gotta say I'm not just impressed but excited. For a first patch the issues seem pretty fixable by live. Really interested to see the new missions and how all these changes will interact with the greater PU and affect the feeling/economy.
I'm still wondering how are we suppose to manage cargo with a fucking Carrack 😅😰 ?
yes finally a report on hangars. Your excitement has me excited. I haven't felt excited about the game in a long time. Thanks Mike!
12:38 This is the first I've heard Night Vision is actually happening(!)
Would have loved to test it myself but once again it was run through the night UK time FFS
New Outpost elevators work ok but, are the new outpost working? Did server meshing test made AI 3X more responsive so new outpost gameplay is descent now?
If it hasn't already been said, can somebody attempt bed logging in their hangar? Maybe they lifted the armastice restrictions and it would save so much time!
looking forward to it! this with the server meshing tech preview i got to try have me really excited for the eventual release of 4.0
Maybe make the elevator take you to your hanger on a key swipe and who ever swipes their key will take the lift to the location then get rid of the asop area terminals only have your hanger one and when you request take off if all hangers that match your size will que up and the doors open when you're instanced to the world again. Then you get the illusion of a star port having more hangers because everyone can just launch and doesn't matter how many are in the lobby which really needs social activities like arcade html5 mini games a juke box and so on the lifts needed and accessing another player's hanger can only be done if the owner scans their accsess key, be interesting to see this part evolve but i really want flora fauna and harvesters