65 y.o. man from Norway. Just started with Cane Fighting. Its a good exercise and make me feel much more safe. Training my moves every day and we can never be to old for some Self Defense and Exercise.
Yes, these are the classic ones! Also you name only British, which is no coincidence as Maxime Chouinard pointed out to me diagrams are a very British thing. I did not notice that but the very most I know are infact from the UK, so did you 😊👍
"The Walking Stick Method of Self Defence " by an officer of the Indian Police, is as far as I know the most complete method of European stick fighting extant. Vigny, ( essentially Bartitsu), Monstery, et al (and the others) are mostly derived from the sword. The moulinets, used also by Monstery, give the cane more 💪strength on the hit. Congratulations on your wrist strength, I myself use a specially made stick done with a foil blade. Cheers
But the mentioned handbook is a variation of Vigney and this us what it makes it so important for Bartitsu. But it is also -as you said - a wonderfull stand alone book with all you need in the beginning! A decade of fencing Christmann gives you that wrists "by accident" 😅
Your video pop up on my recommendation, after watch hema sword fight,this video appear and it pretty interesting. Cane staff can be legal dull sword for self defense.
Thank you 🙏 And you are totally right for todays possible usage. In fact this is how cane fighting comes up in the 19th cent. It wasnt en vogue to carry a smallsword, so the fencing masters created a system basically from the sabre for use of the cane which was the every day carrier then. Not at least to stay in buisness 😅
To be honest, I think option #2 isn't the best option , unless you're holding a sabre or cutting sword, where the blade must face out. The way the stick faces matters less in a real street situation, so I'd give a nod to option #1. Not sure that was exactly the question you were asking, but I think they are important distinctions between the two options.
I am totally with you! And Monstery would be too I think, not at least because he wrote one should not use the vertical strike anyway. Non of both options is relevant for using the method in a fight or self defense, it is more wrist conditioning. The question was to the few who knows something about French sabre, if they know the diagram and if there is more information on the flowerish.
To be honest I was somewhat dismissive of the concept until you mentioned that the attacks were meant to be restricted to the head & weapon hand... suddenly that makes the entire concept much more effective. Attacking anywhere else invites a bull rush by the attacker, but a solid strike to the head could end the fight at once, while a disarming hit to the weapon hand may change the attacker's mind about the whole attempt.
Exactly! It's as in many other martial arts, fast strikes to vulnerable targets to substitute a big swinging strike (in this case). Monsterys advise for an encounter in the street was to strike the hand while bringing the cane up to shoulder hight and immediatly strike the face. Strike first, strike hard, no mercy 😁
Neither #1 not #2. This technique is good for a blade, a natural weapon which has edge and point, even weak thrusts and weak cuts are devastating with a blade, and a blade cannot be grabbed by your opponent, despite what you see in movies. None of the foregoing applies to a cane. Guard positions, so suitable for the sword, must not be used with a cane, they are an invitation for an opponent to grab your cane. Your demonstrated technique, single handed with arm fully extended, is disaster with a cane. The cane is easily grabbed and the cut is weak and it has nonexistent force in the thrust, you cannot simply contact with the point and lean into the target as with a rapier. Techniques derived from fencing are useless when using the cane.
@@davidsmith2038 I respect your opinion, infact you are definetely not alone with it! But there are enough examples of fencing systems for canes and sticks working that way. So an adjucated guess should be it cant be that wrong 💁♂️ And then on the other hand there where fencing masters back then having mostly the same arguments as you 😉
65 y.o. man from Norway. Just started with Cane Fighting. Its a good exercise and make me feel much more safe. Training my moves every day and we can never be to old for some Self Defense and Exercise.
Absolutely one is never to old!
Never stop learning, never stop moving!
Have fun on your journey!
Very cool---thanks for making this Oliver! :) Will be adding this to my "complete playlist" of Monstery videos!
You're welcome!
I am glad to finally add some more cane to the playlist 😊
Howdy from TEXAS!!!
I tip my hat to you Sir! 🤠
Loving the classic cane defense Vids! More please!
Glad to hear you like it 😊
We are already on the next vid so far, so stay tuned 😉
About diagrams probably Roworth & Angelo (the son) did a very fine job naming the cuts, also Hutton. Cheers
Yes, these are the classic ones! Also you name only British, which is no coincidence as Maxime Chouinard pointed out to me diagrams are a very British thing. I did not notice that but the very most I know are infact from the UK, so did you 😊👍
"The Walking Stick Method of Self Defence " by an officer of the Indian Police, is as far as I know the most complete method of European stick fighting extant. Vigny, ( essentially Bartitsu), Monstery, et al (and the others) are mostly derived from the sword. The moulinets, used also by Monstery, give the cane more 💪strength on the hit. Congratulations on your wrist strength, I myself use a specially made stick done with a foil blade. Cheers
But the mentioned handbook is a variation of Vigney and this us what it makes it so important for Bartitsu.
But it is also -as you said - a wonderfull stand alone book with all you need in the beginning!
A decade of fencing Christmann gives you that wrists "by accident" 😅
Your video pop up on my recommendation, after watch hema sword fight,this video appear and it pretty interesting. Cane staff can be legal dull sword for self defense.
Thank you 🙏
And you are totally right for todays possible usage. In fact this is how cane fighting comes up in the 19th cent. It wasnt en vogue to carry a smallsword, so the fencing masters created a system basically from the sabre for use of the cane which was the every day carrier then. Not at least to stay in buisness 😅
To be honest, I think option #2 isn't the best option , unless you're holding a sabre or cutting sword, where the blade must face out.
The way the stick faces matters less in a real street situation, so I'd give a nod to option #1. Not sure that was exactly the question you were asking, but I think they are important distinctions between the two options.
I am totally with you! And Monstery would be too I think, not at least because he wrote one should not use the vertical strike anyway.
Non of both options is relevant for using the method in a fight or self defense, it is more wrist conditioning.
The question was to the few who knows something about French sabre, if they know the diagram and if there is more information on the flowerish.
To be honest I was somewhat dismissive of the concept until you mentioned that the attacks were meant to be restricted to the head & weapon hand... suddenly that makes the entire concept much more effective. Attacking anywhere else invites a bull rush by the attacker, but a solid strike to the head could end the fight at once, while a disarming hit to the weapon hand may change the attacker's mind about the whole attempt.
Exactly! It's as in many other martial arts, fast strikes to vulnerable targets to substitute a big swinging strike (in this case).
Monsterys advise for an encounter in the street was to strike the hand while bringing the cane up to shoulder hight and immediatly strike the face.
Strike first, strike hard, no mercy 😁
I'm interested
@@williamwood6795 you're welcome to have a look around 😊
That's for the interest 👍
Where in Europe is this man from?
@@larrydotson2625 Monstery was born in Denmark, but he travels the world a lot. His writings were from his time in NY city.
@@OliverJanseps oh, well thank you
@@larrydotson2625 you're welcome 🙂
Neither #1 not #2. This technique is good for a blade, a natural weapon which has edge and point, even weak thrusts and weak cuts are devastating with a blade, and a blade cannot be grabbed by your opponent, despite what you see in movies. None of the foregoing applies to a cane. Guard positions, so suitable for the sword, must not be used with a cane, they are an invitation for an opponent to grab your cane. Your demonstrated technique, single handed with arm fully extended, is disaster with a cane. The cane is easily grabbed and the cut is weak and it has nonexistent force in the thrust, you cannot simply contact with the point and lean into the target as with a rapier. Techniques derived from fencing are useless when using the cane.
@@davidsmith2038 I respect your opinion, infact you are definetely not alone with it!
But there are enough examples of fencing systems for canes and sticks working that way. So an adjucated guess should be it cant be that wrong 💁♂️
And then on the other hand there where fencing masters back then having mostly the same arguments as you 😉