Best Polish For New Cars- Koch Chemie M302 VS Sonax Perfect Finish! Which Performs Best?
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
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When I got my brand new 2019 Sierra I was amazed how swirled it came from the dealership. I told the dealership not to wash it at their automatic carwash but I think they did anyways. You do amazing work and I enjoy your vids!!! Thanks for sharing!!!
It just seemed to me that the Perfect Finish looked glossier but you were right there looking at it.
I think the Koch Chemie takes it a little further than Sonax.
Terrific job. It looks so glossy. You’re absolutely right! There are so many products. Maybe too many. It can be a royal PITA, but we love it. Thanks for sharing this with us.
I just did a polish with M302 over last weekend, and got the same results. It was great. I was really surprised how nice it looked. Yeah it was humid here too, and yes alittle grabby. Not bad though. Car was a gray Honda Pilot 2017. Had hard time finding any love marks. Used Rupes yellow fine cut pad. That was a great video, love the hopscotch board on driveway. Family business is super cool.
Great job pointing out the differences. Great vid!
I tried some KC micro cut M302 on My 2005 Acura TSX after washing/decontaminating the paint. I used My FLEX3401 with a CCS 6.5" orange pad. Wow! Lol! I left every other product on the shelf! This car isn't garaged and hasn't been done in a year..(It is washed regularly during Spring/Summer months) minimal defects as it was coated with CSL/EXO last year at this time. This car is going to look very nice when this process is done, coated again. Thanks for a great video.
Nice demo. Thanks for doing it.
Chelsea what also doing a comparison of each side after doing a panel wipe and then wait 5 minutes then inspect the panels . Great job on real world comparison of polishes and thanks for all your hard work and honest thoughts.
Excellent video Chelsea informative as usual
As long as your customers are noticing a difference and satisfied with the end result. Wouldn't worry about a gloss meter.
Giant waste of money
Nice to see these differences... Way to go, Chelsea!
Nice results! As a suggestion, take it to the next round KC M3.02 vs. Xtreme Solutions Ice LVR369.
Great video. M3.02 and 3D One are my absolute go to's for Enhancements and 1 steps. Keep up the great work.
3D One is very good for 1-steps!
Excellent video, like always
Great video! I just ordered some KC… I have Sonax as well but it wouldn’t hurt to have both.
Thanks Chelsea!
I really enjoyed that video
Looks great from Australia!
Really good video and both products look to be really nice. I do tend to favor Koch Chemie myself.
Great video Chelsea! As a weekend warrior I really appreciate this kind of information. As far as a gloss meter, Scott H found the cheap ones don’t work consistently and he ended up buying one that works better but for thousands of dollars. I think your eyes and experience can do just fine
Agreed.
Chemie m3.02 overall had a more sharper & crisper look 👀 overall. Chevy equinox came out beautiful!! 👍
My guys and i have been using the Koch line when they first came out and they were fantastic but lately im not sure if they switched formulas but we started leaning towards the very reliable Sonax cutmax and Perfect finish. Just something ive noticed
Hi, A great Video :-) I am impressed with the Koch Chemie Finishing Products and would love to see how the Koch Chemie P2.01 & P1.01 compares against its competitors Jewling Wax. Keep up the Great work. Tom M
Great job!
Great video.
Great review and excellent results. To add to your testing of finishing polishes... Have you tried LVR 403 or 404 yet? 😁😁👊😎
I have it but haven t played with them much. Theyre next to test
Hello from Australia :) Koch Chemie for the win in that one. Also for dusting I just used the Menzerna heavy cut compound 400 on my bonnet/hood and the car was covered white powder it was not nice at all..
Try reducing the amount of polish on the pad, and don't "prime" them. Brush the pad after each section. Try not to cycle it too long.
When a product dusts, I find that it's because it's picked up a lot of oxidation, previously applied protection, clear coat, or a combination of all that apply.
Me personally, I've been guilty of over cycling 400 when I first tried it back in 2015.
I tried the Koch and they felt like Menzerna copies, with a touch more lubricant.
Great video
I like to use meguiar's M210, and where M205 for a little more cutting !. M110 & M210 my favorite combo!
All three of those are excellent products.
I sold off all my Sonax, Koch, and CarPro polishes.
did u use the m105?
Great video and thank you!
In your opinion, if I was looking for the best gloss and little to no paint correction what would be the best pad and manufacturer of that pad? I was leaning toward the Koch.
Koch Chemie, Looked to be a little bit better with cut and haze and gloss.
But like you said the average client could not tell the difference
Great video I've got a brand new car and it's got some light scratches on it can I use these products by hand application ?
Would love to see how f6 would have compared as it been said to finish down really well.
Tough to tell on camera but they seem very close. Not always easy to tell on camera. Nice to get newer cars.
How would you compare these vs the turtle wax pro one and done and to the max wax combo ?
Chelsea..... I have a new GMC Sierra on order and I had planned on using the Turtle Wax HYBRID SOLUTIONS PRO 1 & DONE PROFESSIONAL POLISHING COMPOUND CORRECT & FINISH followed by the Turtle Wax Pro to the Max Wax. What are your thoughts on using these on a brand new paint??
thank you for this video. I have a new 2021 Black Porsche Macan...i was planning on just using sonax finisher with a black foam finishing pad. The car is brand new, maybe 1000 miles of driving since then. Upon inspection i only see light swirls and very little scratching. I am new to polishing so I wonder if you would recommend that set up for my vehicle from your experience. Thanks!
We do a lot of Porsche where I work.
I use a lot of 3D ONE, and AAT 502 there. If I need correction I like 3D ONE on Buff and Shine Uro-Fiber pads. For polishing/finishing I'm typically using yellow Buff and Shine Uro-Tec foam pads.
Oh, and in the event I need something heavier I use 3D ACA500.
I don't like having a ton of polishes hanging around, and using this trio keeps me from losing focus, and time.
Last spring I did pick up the Optimum line, and really like them. I've switched almost all of my chemicals to Optimum. Their polishes play really nice with their wax, sealant, and coating.
I would say the KC gives a better finish which is why I’m going to use it on my 2 month old car. I have been carful in washing it and can’t see any swirls or other marks
How would Griot's BOSS perfecting cream stack up against these? Had any experience or opinion on this? Thanks
What brand hand held light do you use to see the swirls?
How would you compare Koch f6 vs sonax cut and finish in terms of gloss and cut?
what tape do you use? is it ok to use painters tape ? great work thanks for the videos
3m automotive tape
Great videos, love your channel. Are either of these polishes a good paint solution prior to a ceramic coat, like an Adam's Graphene Coating for example?
I have a metallic glacier White Audi sedan I would like to coat after swirl removal.
Yes either would be perfect. The SPF would be the easiest of the two to apply and remove but the KC products would have a edge on correction but for Audi paint you might need a yellow pad as their paint tends to be pretty hard. If you need more correction you can try KC F601 and a yellow foam pad
But as always do your test spot first to see which direction you need to go and start with the least aggressive and work your way forward
@@attention2detailswchelsea Awesome. TY, without a carnouba in these polishes do i still need to surface prep prior to say using the Spray version of the Adams Graphene Coating? Or can i go to the coating stage after buffing off the Polish?
So was the paint on the vehicle soft, medium or hard?
The panel should be cleaned with some kind of paint prep after polishing to control for differences in what is left behind.
I use SPF with a Rupes yellow pad, and the results are very nice on a car with two years of outside storages and many contact tunnel washes. My first ever polishing (in excessive heat and sunlight) still came out very well.
In a couple of places I needed Sonax Cut Max and a Meguiar's white microfiber pad, followed with SPF and a yellow pad.
The Mckees 37 N-914 at 1:8 can be used as a paint prel
For me this was not apple to apple. Maybe you could try Sonax final against micro cut
Good, but why don’t use ipa or similar to see real results ?
Koch Chemi 302 with the white pad for the win
its cleannnnn
I can't see the difference but am looking for a polish to do my wife's brand brand new vehicle, was considering Sonax but now.. Koch Chemie might be the one.
meguires “polish” in the purple bottle is a pain in the &ss to remove lol
Purple bottle?
Which one is that? I've only seen they're M21, and M27 sealants in purple bottles. Is there something new?
After a panel wipe..to remove the "fillers" that aren't supposed to be in these products..me thinks you may notice a subtle difference..possibly in the opposite direction..it is detectable with a gloss meter..
Just some inside baseball 😁customers will never notice...
M3.02 is a superior polish for sure as far as cut and finish. However, SPF is the easiest polish to remove that I’ve ever used.
Agreed
Also superior in terms of price!
SPF is hands down the easiest polish to remove! But after I run out , I want to try the M3.02
P301 if car is in decent condition, with yellow pad works great.
Chelsea, I have no way to use my DA at the moment. Got relocated for work and I'm in a dreaded apartment. I have a 2017 Honda Civic Type R with very light swirls. It's a dull white with zero sparkle in it. Unfortunately the correction is being done by hand with lake country hand pads. I have Perfect finish, Fabulous finishing polish, Turtle Wax One and Done, Meguiar's ultimate compound, Meguiar's Ultimate Polish and Poor Boys SSR-2 Polish. Any suggestion on what product to use would be amazing. I'd love to be able to use one and be done since it's going to be a ton of elbow Grease. Like I said it's very light swirling just from daily driving and drying the car even though I use a drying aid everytime. Just got a nice leaf blower to cut down on having to touch the paint. Thanks in advance
Hondas have softer paint so shouldnt require too much effort. Id try perfect finish since its easy to wipe off and works good on soft paints with something like a hex grip pad holder and your normal pads if you cant use your da at a friends place
That or something like a cleaner wax should work to at least bring back some gloss. I like the Meguiars clesner wax or their 3 in 1 wax
From what I can tell M302 cut better but perfect finish had better gloss
Hi Chelsea, are these DAT or SMAT? I’m still trying to figure out all these polishes out there. I remember you saying that Griots correcting cream was a good product as well as the TW one & done. Where does that fit in compared to these two products. Love your videos, I’m learning a lot for a driveway detailer. Thank you
Sonax perfect finish is a DAT (and I think KC polishes are DAT as well) so you do have to work it longer for it to finish down better so one has to take that into consideration. That could explain the grabby removal. Griots CC I believe is SMAT which no matter how long you use it amount of cut stays the same but in this instance I was looking for a finishing ability vs correction and DAT products tend to finish down better than SMAT products.
@@attention2detailswchelsea thank you
Both are DAT.
@@attention2detailswchelsea what does DAT and SMAT stand for?? I've not heard of these references.
@@stephenwhite5444 diminishing abrasive technology or super micro abrasive technology
I see no major differences, use good products and get good results
Agreed....KC.....how hard do you think the paint is on a 2007 Honda pilot? Good choice on the white pad!
Honda paint is known to be soft but not finicky like GM paint. I love working on Honda paint
M302 or SPF? Mainly for gloss?
Ms. Chelsea I’m just a newbie
Is the white pad the softest and used for just liquid wax?
Black pads are the softest and typically used for wax application. White is the lightest for polishing
I got A LOT more dust when I used the SPF I was using an orange pad could that be why?
Yes its more abrasive so you're removing more clear coat essentially
Perfect Finish just dusts a lot. Old formula from Sonax that has a cult following.
That's why I don't use it.
I preferred their NP 03-06 for finishing, and Cut and Finish for one stepping.
Koch Chemie M3 02 looks better to me and I usually have dusting with Sonax PF too.
Just my opinion and experience on business side, if you experience dusting with Sonax PF you may want to check pads, pressure, etc... I've yet over 5 years to see PF dust unless you really lean on it with a dry, product caked pad.
@@markthayne2408 - I got dust with clean pads, light pressure and low speeds on a Porter Cable.
I would wager that you have a nicely tuned process for using PF though.
I preferred their NP 03-06 to Prefect Finish.
You have a fine cut finish polish and a medium cut polish.
Having used both without a doubt M3.02 will finish better then Perfect Finish every single time. Perfect Finish will correct defects quicker.
If Perfect finish will correct defects quicker then how come it left more swirls on the paint compared to KC 3.02 which is a micro cut?
@@dreday77764 there are a lot of factors that the user is in control of and not all polishes are worked the exact same way. Machine speed, pressure, movement speed, pad, etc. And then there is the paint you are working. You need to see how all these factors get results over a number of vehicles. It's hard to make decisions about product, technique, etc after only working on a single car. But after 5, 10, 20 you start to see patterns in performance.
Ok thank you for that. Yes many different variables come in to play when correcting paint
@@yanniobkirk5744 - 100% truth.
The more seat time you have with a product, the more you learn how to maximize it, and navigate it through the variety of paints that are out there.
When I was doing product testing I spent SO much time switching pads and polishes, and washing pads that I'm very happy to have the very limited selection currently in the bag.
It's almost a reassuring feeling.
@@danlc95 what is your limited selection you’re running? Right now for 90% of my work I’m using megs m110 with a lake country fiber cutting pad, and sonax pf with a rupes yellow
Too many polishes and sealants in the detailing world. Why not use 1 cutting compound with no waxes or oils and 1 sealant. Seems easier and more cost effective. Just change the pads or polisher. Keep up the good work.
Agreed!! 👊🏻
You just described the idea behind 3D ONE. Why that doesn't work is because there are many different paint types out there and 3D ONE will not always correct as much as you need or may not finish as well as you want on all of them. Having a wider range of correcting and finishing is really needed to get results that most people want to achieve.
Oh ok I thought it was a marketing strategy to get customers to buy the same product with a different name and or label. (IE Graphene this and that, graphene infused all in one step bull, ceramic polish, ceramic coating ceramic detail spray, ceramic ceramic ceramic) 🙄🧐🤔. Not buying it.
@@yanniobkirk5744 - This is exactly true.
I tried that with 3D ONE. After all these years I can stretch it pretty far, but there is a reason I flank it with ACA500 and AAT502, and that's because it does struggle with some things.
I suppose for the enthusiast doing their family's vehicles it would work, but when I want to clock out at 5 and get home I'd rather have a more specialized tool for the job.
Are you a CeramicPro installer? Have you tried their 9H ceramic? I always wanted to get that on my truck but don't want to pay someone else to do it so that is why I bought T6+.
Im only authorized to have Sport.
@@attention2detailswchelsea I don’t get why a spray is authorized installer only. I detail all our family cars (I’m not a detailer for hire) and it sure would be nice to be able to use such a nice product on our cars. The local detailer that was an installer went out of business. Maybe the owner will see how many people would buy it.
@@attention2detailswchelsea I have always wanted that ceramic to coat my truck but was quoted way too much. I hope when I coat my truck next week with T6+ it's comparable. Once again thanks for all your video's. I learn a lot from you and I greatly appreciate it!!!!
I have and it's not all it's hyped up to be.
I installed 9H and Top Coat over it.
Maintenance washes included Sport application.
9H... It was a complete pain to work with. For all that effort, hype, and cost I would have expected better performance.
We switched over to Xpel Fusion Plus, and while it's not fun to apply, it's way better than CP 9H.
You could get something like CarPro Cquartz UK 3.0, and get a really nice coating.
I tend to stick with Optimum Gloss Coat for my own business.
would you consider Sonax a paint enhancement or a one step
I would consider it more of a paint enhancement as it’s meant for lite correction
I know I am months behind, it seemed like the Sonax left some hazing. I may be wrong. I don’t have anywhere near the experience you do
Go Chelsea!
3d1 is the best hands down
Noob question... shouldn't you have used a panel wipe on your initial test before judging which was better? Maybe it was fillers that made the difference? Since you were covering with sealant after.
These polishes dont have fillers in them and arent glazes or AIOs
Koch Chemie works best w/ Koch pads.
Koch chemie King of abrsives,Period.
I didn't find them any better than Menzerna.
I ended up selling them because I already have the Menzerna.
Koch Chemi for the win
Sonax
looks to me that the Koch Chemie cut and finished better
Koch Chemie
You are comparing a 2000 grit med polish to a 3ooo grit finishing polish, every detailer thinks perfect finish is a finish polish. Sonax makes 2500 grit and 3ooo grit polishes
Perfect Finish is also geared towards rotary polishers.
It's cool people use it as a finisher, but they could be removing more clear than necessary when a dedicated finishing polish would be the more responsible thing to do.
Gonna be honest... I've watched a lot of your videos, but I have no interest in this. Still gonna let it run in the background and muted though to give you some love though lol
What kind of videos do you enjoy? Thanks for the support either way.
@@attention2detailswchelsea oh it’s definitely not you or any video making decision you’re making, I’m just not interested in these products. Don’t change anything you been doing.
@@regardie99 whats your go to polish? 😁
Shine shine excelent job black color ? 🤦♀️
Yeah, I don’t waste your money a professional gloss meters about two grand. Anything under that is a joke
1st
Carpro Reflect no. 1