For everyone who doesn't know, this scene is from the original version of Scum, which was a drama, not a film. They then adapted it into a film and this bit was left out.
@@mattcooper9026 i dont think it is to be honest. the 1979 film is better than this tv drama better in its execution acting the lot if you dont ever get to see this you havent missed out.
@@Fury851 its each to his own i belive the film to be far superior in all aspects i use to own both versions on a double dvd with a nice tin case. The tv version is not as polished as the film
Carlings true character wasn't a bully at all. He was hard and took no messing but he was fair. In the film remake he would have helped Davis out with his problems if davis had turned to him.
you're missing the point of his character, which works without this scene and the scene where he Davis wants to ask him for help, but it's the same point in the remake and the original. Carlin shows how the power dynamic works and changes within prisons, especially borstols. First, power is gained through cheap tactics and unfair fights (Carlin with the pipe especially), then it's maintained by unecessary cruelty and being hard (him increasing his own end of the money smuggling scheme, and being hard to Davis), then always results in sexual exploitation, as shown in this scene. Carlin isn't evil as Banks might have been, but his character itself isn't particularly important, more what he represents through his actions and behabiour.
Earlier in the film we see Carlin and Rhodes during cleaning duties and Carlin clearly looks at him for several seconds implying he finds him attractive! This homosexual sub plot was removed from the cinema version because the director felt it made Carlin vulnerable in an environment which he couldn't afford to be since it would have invariably made him weak!
Rhodes looks so soft and sweet and innocent. in this clip. You'd never guess he was in borstal for breaking into an old granny's flat, hacking her to death with an axe and cannibalizing her liver
@S B Yes. Did you know that Davis travelled backwards through time for billions of years and tried to stop the Big Bang? He was so evil, he wanted to stop all existence from happening.
@@MisterSands The worst events in human history... 5) The Great Plague 4) The Dark Ages 3) World Wars 1 and 2 2) The Black Death 1) The theft of Eckersley's radio by the foul Davis
There was a lot of history to this - this scene was in Roy Minton's original novel, and it was made to show Carlin uncomfortably compromise in order to satisfy his power status and sexual urges as there were no women around (apart from the Matron). Ray Winstone looks very awkward and uncomfortable here, which certainly works for the scene in terms of realism! As we speed 2 years forward to the 1979 film version, Winstone refused to do the scene again, and director Alan Clarke consented to this....Roy Minton was told on the film's completion about this and was furious that Clarke had allowed a boy actor to influence the production of his original screenplay, and he didn't talk to Clarke for years afterwards.
I disagree its and very powerful scein, and its very very real thing that is comom place in all jails. most offen the toughtest guys simple desire a submissive partner, its just another form of power and control. it is going make all men uncomfatable a scein like this. it is simple a truth of the male mindset when there is no female. its ungle and not pleasant and on the out side carling would not ever desire to sleep with a man. even reg kray had a long term boy freind in jail. and a girl friend at the same time who visist him in jail, thay were both there on his death bed one ither side of him...lol
@calk911 Being Carlin's "missus" would just mean being an effeminate presence, making his tea, sorting out his laundry, tidying the cell and all that shit. It doesn't imply any sexual contact is desired by Carlin at all, and he made it clear it isn't.
He's lucky, cause at Rahway, when you become somebodies kid it means you gotta be, not just maytaging, not just hustling cigarettes on the 2nd tier, but getting thrown down on the bed while 2 or 3 guys do bottle harm to your asshole by stickin their dicks inside it
Wrong. You need to listen to the text. When Carlin puts his suggestion to him he says “but I’ve never done it before” and Carlin replies “neither have I”. The main implication that sex is going to be involved is when Carlin tells him “I’m the top here. Gettit?”. That’s self explanatory.
people are misunderstanding, the two versions are not just two different edits, the two were recorded separate a couple years apart, one was for the BBC in 1977 but BBC decided not to show it and put a ban on it until 1991, After hearing the BBC banned it the director went and found funding and remade it from scratch using a slightly different cast and that 1979 version is the one that we all know thats always on channel 4. This clip was from the used to be banned BBC version
Two versions! No wonder the scene with the black lad having a fight with Carlin was shit. I always remembered the lines delivered between the two "Where's your tool?" "What fucking tool?" being totally quotable. i drove the teachers mad back in the late 80's early 90's.
Was cut from film. Apparently Ray Winston was disappointed it was left out. Life on the inside. An important part of the story. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime etc. scary stuff, which I think was the point and why Winston wanted it in the film. I think in the original cut the misses actually tossed of Carlin.
I see a lot of people say the film is better, but they were 3 years older. Here they are all genuinely 16-17, they look young and in that sense it's a bit more harrowing. The film is 10/10 though
When they made the movie two years later, Winstone got all macho and told Alan Clarke that he didn't think this was a good idea for the character and that they shouldn't repeat this for the movie. Clarke went along with that. Years later, Winstone regretted this, and thought that his younger self was just being insecure, and that they should have had Carlin in the movie have a 'missus'. I think he's right. It makes the character more interesting.
I find it hard to believe someone doing a short sentence would do this. It's usually the behaviour of long terrm convicts who've been away for years and have little hope of release in the foreseeable future.
@@joekavanagh3997 we shouldn't assume the worst, and have to just accept that he would say "I can't pretend I'm not dissapointed, but I do respect your decision. Hope you enjoy the rest of your evening"
As much as I like Carlin as a protagonist, and think he handled this proposition better than many with his needs and power status would, the fact is he still orders/pressures/coerces Peter into it and abuses his top dog status to do so. Still, at least Carlin is gentle and gives them both a bit of privacy to work out the, errrr, details and formalities of their new relationship, we can say that much for him.
Hey there "ForrestHillCasual", This scene is from the original 1977 BBC TV version (which was banned for 14 years - hence why the film version was made two years later in 1979). This subplot of Ray Winstone's character initiating a "relationship" with another inmate was eliminated from the movie version. Roy Minton the writer of "Scum" regretted that decision as he felt this subplot gave the character of Carlin a degree of vulnerability and need.....
Carlin's proposition is tactical. He already knows why Rhodes was transferred, and doesn't want Rhodes trying similar shit to get preferential treatment. So, he decides to nip any big ideas in the bud and feed Rhodes a sense of privilege (arguably, ersatz) himself. It's a subtle way of Carlin winning over a suggestible yet dangerous new inmate, using a carrot not a stick. The added bonus being, it puts uppity inmates like Davis back underfoot where Carlin wants them. It's reductive to say this scene is about homosexual love or sex - it is not explicitly said in-text that the two lads were even intimate on a physical level. It's rather a well-written exchange about symbolic power and security in an abusive patriarchy, where femininity and associated classical concepts (such as beauty, purity, and emotional expression) equal weakness e.g., Peter is a pretty and androgynous, soft-spoken virgin who was exiled for expressing his hurt and disgust at an unwanted sexual advance.
@@adrianocollinzo5712 there was an original made for TV version that was banned by the BBC in 1977 which is this one.. And the more well known one made in 1979.. Frank from shameless played the vegetarian archer in the 1977 version
@hanghang71, this is from the BBC Play For Today made for TV version of the film. This version that was never shown on TV, though. The version you are familiar with is the film version made for cinema distribution. This scene was left out of the film version.
Ian Sharrock, the Yorkshireman who plays Rhodes in this version, gives a very fine understated performance. Notice for example how Rhodes makes his decision before voicing it at 2:44; his eyebrow lifts, his eyes brighten, and he seems to come out of a fugue. Though terribly young at the time, Sharrock clearly had wherewithal & initiative to build an emotional past for his character and commit to it while treating the subject matter with gravity & professionalism in spite of the times. I daresay he was gold standard. It's a pity but understandable that on reaching 40 after a decade of 1-episode roles he gave up acting to go into sales.
I liked this scene for the fact that it reminds the audience of the inexperienced vulnerability & loneliness of all these boys, in spite of what violence they had perpetrated in the outside world and the brutal environment in which they consequently were caged. Strangely sweet is the admission between Rhodes & Carlin that they are both virgins and have some anxiety about the fact. It's a little glimmer of a tender alternate reality. I understand the writer's chagrin that it was cut from the film thanks to mere homophobic sentiment.
George Alderson good point, I hadn't thought of that. This is such a fascinating scene, because there are glimmers of an equal footing and power play between the two lads, though the main text clearly presents a wide gap in their status and moral standing (Carlin's "there's nothing bent about me" comment can be read two ways - implying that Carlin is a moral, just, almost-heroic tough).
@@ssian5678 Yes. The strong has his weakness and the weak has his strength so they need each other to survive. As I said somewhere else the scene also is a break from all the violence in the rest of the film which is necessary or you can become hardened to the hardness if you follow my drift.
First line in the scene--"you want me, Carlin?" Then Rhodes chooses to sit on the empty unmade bedframe adjacent to Carlin, rather than the one facing him. Such clever, understated writing, blocking and direction. And Rhodes was pretty and femme. Easy to see why Carlin chose him.
@tonymontana1974 ..... This is from the actual BBC Play which was made in 1977.. it was banned from T.V...."Scum" the Big Screen version was made two years later.. The film version was a little different to the original with a couple of different actors too...Carlin was a "POOF" in the first version..LoL!! Hope this helped Tony!! Im full of useless information eh?? ; )
Philip Schofield on the set of This Morning.
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Ha.
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Wonder if before Carlin consumated their relationship he said, "Where's your tool, this facking tool"
You want some mooooaaaaaarrrr
Hahaha!
@@bensmithkent22 Hahahahahahaha!
😂
I'm the daddy, I give the orders.
'I'm just a fan, Alan. Your biggest fan'
😂😂😂😂😂😂
No way ya big spastic you're a mentalist!
@@TheGBs1972 "So Pete, how'd it go with Carlin?"
"It took 14 hours! I fainted 3 times!!"
He’s no poof, are we all clear on that?
And neither is Peter, his missus.
He's not gay he just likes shagging boys.
i lol'd
Ronald Kray also used to make that distinction.@@Zacksleeps
Course he’s not. 😂 Are we clear on that ?
Lol i snorted laughing
For everyone who doesn't know, this scene is from the original version of Scum, which was a drama, not a film. They then adapted it into a film and this bit was left out.
Wondered why i didn’t remember this scene. Do you know if the whole of the drama is available to watch, here on youtube?
@@mattcooper9026 i dont think it is to be honest. the 1979 film is better than this tv drama better in its execution acting the lot if you dont ever get to see this you havent missed out.
@@paulbirkbeck1790 it would still be great to see. Winston said in an interview the TV version is better
@@Fury851 its each to his own i belive the film to be far superior in all aspects i use to own both versions on a double dvd with a nice tin case. The tv version is not as polished as the film
@@paulbirkbeck1790 yeah the film is superb, so I doubt very much the TV version will be even near it. But I'd still love to watch the TV series
I'm going to learn this off by heart so I can say it word for word to one of the new young lads next time I'm away on the rigs.
Class lol
That's fucking brilliant lmfao.
Shortly later he was sacked for sexual assault. He's now a janitor is some school in Central London : /
Dudes 8 years in to a 10 stretch lol
@@adrianocollinzo5712 lol..he coming out soon..
I'm getting the word........
'nonce'
Clinton baptiste lol
done me in
Im no puff your just my missus lol
It was at this point, Rhodes realised he`ll be calling Carlin the "Daddy" for a completely different reason
He’s not bent, but his boyfriend is.
"I'm no poof"
Cool story, Carlin
“I’m no poof, but Theres always a first time, eh guvner?”
Yeah you are Carlin....
Well it gives where's your tool a hole new meaning
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Swift BMF zip... *this* fakkin tool 🤣
Carlings true character wasn't a bully at all. He was hard and took no messing but he was fair. In the film remake he would have helped Davis out with his problems if davis had turned to him.
Yeah this scene shows that there was a slightly different vision for the character in the original movie.
He got up and walked away with rhodes before davis could ask for help
you're missing the point of his character, which works without this scene and the scene where he Davis wants to ask him for help, but it's the same point in the remake and the original. Carlin shows how the power dynamic works and changes within prisons, especially borstols. First, power is gained through cheap tactics and unfair fights (Carlin with the pipe especially), then it's maintained by unecessary cruelty and being hard (him increasing his own end of the money smuggling scheme, and being hard to Davis), then always results in sexual exploitation, as shown in this scene. Carlin isn't evil as Banks might have been, but his character itself isn't particularly important, more what he represents through his actions and behabiour.
Earlier in the film we see Carlin and Rhodes during cleaning duties and Carlin clearly looks at him for several seconds implying he finds him attractive! This homosexual sub plot was removed from the cinema version because the director felt it made Carlin vulnerable in an environment which he couldn't afford to be since it would have invariably made him weak!
Homosexual? He’s no poof!
It would have been comedy gold if the house master popped his head in when Carlin said I'm no poof and said sure your not Carlin
Rhodes looks so soft and sweet and innocent. in this clip.
You'd never guess he was in borstal for breaking into an old granny's flat, hacking her to death with an axe and cannibalizing her liver
@S B Yes. Did you know that Davis travelled backwards through time for billions of years and tried to stop the Big Bang? He was so evil, he wanted to stop all existence from happening.
@@garethglitter5932 who'd of thought that Scum lore with so rich and complex.
Was the Big Bang the first ever bumming in history?
@@WorldCupWillie No that was later when the once-celebrated Professor Pongo Banks discovered Uranus
@@garethglitter5932 Still not as Evil as the theft of poor young Eckersley's radio.
@@MisterSands The worst events in human history...
5) The Great Plague
4) The Dark Ages
3) World Wars 1 and 2
2) The Black Death
1) The theft of Eckersley's radio by the foul Davis
Carlin's a uphill gardener in this version!
He ploughs bum holes for fun in this version. But there is nothing bent about him🤔
SO glad this was not in the film version. It totally undermines the character of Carlin, and turns him into a right tosser.
The BBC version say no more... it wouldn't surprise me if Jimmy Saville turned up for a BBC "visit"...
Yep, I'd kinda agree with you there.
There was a lot of history to this - this scene was in Roy Minton's original novel, and it was made to show Carlin uncomfortably compromise in order to satisfy his power status and sexual urges as there were no women around (apart from the Matron).
Ray Winstone looks very awkward and uncomfortable here, which certainly works for the scene in terms of realism!
As we speed 2 years forward to the 1979 film version, Winstone refused to do the scene again, and director Alan Clarke consented to this....Roy Minton was told on the film's completion about this and was furious that Clarke had allowed a boy actor to influence the production of his original screenplay, and he didn't talk to Clarke for years afterwards.
I disagree its and very powerful scein, and its very very real thing that is comom place in all jails. most offen the toughtest guys simple desire a submissive partner, its just another form of power and control. it is going make all men uncomfatable a scein like this. it is simple a truth of the male mindset when there is no female. its ungle and not pleasant and on the out side carling would not ever desire to sleep with a man. even reg kray had a long term boy freind in jail. and a girl friend at the same time who visist him in jail, thay were both there on his death bed one ither side of him...lol
you are right
The shirt collars a chocking hazard.
That's Jed Maxwell!! Alan Partridge's biggest fan!!
Christ, so it is!
Wow!
I wonder if he’s got his Alan Partridge tat.
Jed im going to level with you, Im really scared.
Wow!
Going for their first date in the glasshouse
Carlin taking the S out of Scum.
I like that he is reading Mayfair in front of the Mrs.
😂😂😂
There was also a scene cut where Carlin starts doing Meakin on the side. They only ever did oral though - out of respect for his missus
This lad grows up to be Jed, the one that stalks Alan Partridge. Obviously had an effect on him.
ah no way! one of the best episodes too
No way, you big spastic - you're a mentalist!
(getting a mask) You can be Carlin, and I'll...be ALAN PARTRIDGE AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :D
AHA I new the face was familiar but would never guessed that in million years.. nice 1
He was also Jackie Merrick in Emmerdale (Farm).
Carlin was the Mummy.
If I was ray winstone I would have really struggled not to laugh when making this scene
he's no poof
Why ? It's not at all funny.
@@reduxmod9178 It’s not exactly romantic though
@@senecaknowledge2274 No it's disturbing.
I'm so glad they remade the whole thing
I like both versions but the original is darker and grittier than the remake.
I remember seeing this back in the 80's and then watched it many years later but couldn't find this scene.
It was removed. Could speculate as to why.
Rhodes here was played by Ian Sharrock who was more famous as Jackie Merrick in the early days of Emmerdale Farm. Very good actor.
He dropped out of acting for some years and got, as he put it, a real job. He sold kitchens and made a decent living.
That's where I know his boat from
Rhodes plan on threatening the housemaster didn't exactly go to plan. Now his arse is Carlin's favorite toy.
Ah you still a pedo
Music at the beginning in the back round...
The Small faces ....Itchycoo park.
Blimey, the old bbc version 👍
@calk911 Being Carlin's "missus" would just mean being an effeminate presence, making his tea, sorting out his laundry, tidying the cell and all that shit. It doesn't imply any sexual contact is desired by Carlin at all, and he made it clear it isn't.
He's lucky, cause at Rahway, when you become somebodies kid it means you gotta be, not just maytaging, not just hustling cigarettes on the 2nd tier, but getting thrown down on the bed while 2 or 3 guys do bottle harm to your asshole by stickin their dicks inside it
Wrong. You need to listen to the text. When Carlin puts his suggestion to him he says “but I’ve never done it before” and Carlin replies “neither have I”. The main implication that sex is going to be involved is when Carlin tells him “I’m the top here. Gettit?”. That’s self explanatory.
Chase me carlin
Ahahaha underrated comment. Brilliant
oh my god his hair is so beautiful
Fun fact - guy in this is the same guy that was Alan partridges wierd stalker fan in I’m Alan partridge
No fucking way!! haha
Why do people have to use that idiotic prefix?
Just say it. otherwise you sound like Sheldon
We'll have that pint right?
no way you big spastic you're a mentalist@@barriniho
He also played Malanda Burrows' husband in Emmerdale in the 80s.
people are misunderstanding, the two versions are not just two different edits, the two were recorded separate a couple years apart, one was for the BBC in 1977 but BBC decided not to show it and put a ban on it until 1991, After hearing the BBC banned it the director went and found funding and remade it from scratch using a slightly different cast and that 1979 version is the one that we all know thats always on channel 4.
This clip was from the used to be banned BBC version
Two versions! No wonder the scene with the black lad having a fight with Carlin was shit. I always remembered the lines delivered between the two "Where's your tool?" "What fucking tool?" being totally quotable. i drove the teachers mad back in the late 80's early 90's.
bwhahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! Fucking priceless. I never realised there was an earlier version.
Was cut from film. Apparently Ray Winston was disappointed it was left out. Life on the inside. An important part of the story. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime etc. scary stuff, which I think was the point and why Winston wanted it in the film. I think in the original cut the misses actually tossed of Carlin.
No i have the original and I never saw this
Dogboy fantasizing again ! ☺
Hahaha Carlin was a bandit 😂😂😂
A toilet traitor and a fudge packer
@mikeyb3693, not true. Lads can turn pink on the inside surprisingly quickly.
This one is from the 1977 TV play, while the more well known one with the different actor playing Archer is the film from 1979.
@hanchiman lol yeh right, this is pretty tame in comparrison to the "greenhouse" scene.
I can't believe they left this romantic scene out of the film version
3:07 yo 'you talk in front of the missus?' That line got me 😆
Such a sweet and tender scene. It's like Romeo and Juliet.
Very weak to leave it away, it would have made Carlin even more authentic. "The strong are tender the weak are cruel" is a Russian saying.
I like that saying. 🇬🇧 👍
2:39 Literally the funniest thing ever said in the history of cinema
3:06 is just as funny XD
LOL
‘I’m your biggest fan Carlin!’
No way you big spastic……….
🤣🤣🤣 seen this film 50 times carnt remember thus bit lol 'the missus'
This was the original bbc tv version. When they remade it to make the movie, it was cut.
Carling Missus Is Jackie Sugden From Emmerdale
He was also the stalker in Alan Partridge
I see a lot of people say the film is better, but they were 3 years older. Here they are all genuinely 16-17, they look young and in that sense it's a bit more harrowing. The film is 10/10 though
Looking at real life footage from this era , people always looked older than their actual ages anyway .
When they made the movie two years later, Winstone got all macho and told Alan Clarke that he didn't think this was a good idea for the character and that they shouldn't repeat this for the movie. Clarke went along with that. Years later, Winstone regretted this, and thought that his younger self was just being insecure, and that they should have had Carlin in the movie have a 'missus'. I think he's right. It makes the character more interesting.
Look at the size of his shirt collar
I was gonna write that. It's huge. gucci gang Lil morgen ooooo family friendly! gucci gang gucci gang gucci gang
It gives Carlin something to hold onto.
It's not the size of the shirt collar he should be worrying about.
@@sobbyhasselhoff no its the size of carlins tool.
Respect your missis.
Itchycoo Park Small Faces in the background, never seen the 1977 version, got the 79 version one of my favourite films.
I find it hard to believe someone doing a short sentence would do this.
It's usually the behaviour of long terrm convicts who've been away for years and have little hope of release in the foreseeable future.
Glad this wasn’t in the official film
His Missus went on to be Alan Partridge's "Superfan"
Is that him lol?
Not before he worked on Emmerdale Farm
Quite honestly, I wouldn’t have understood what was going on.
As a reverend I'm sure you'd have had a clue
Well faaack... I knew Carlin had a Missus in the stage play, but the version of the movie I had never had these scenes... O_O
they definitely should have kept this in.
3:31 the apologetic look to Rhodes there is so funny
At first I was thinking why did they cut this from the movie by the end im glad they did lol
They never cut it. This was the 1977 original version. You’ll have watched the 1979 remake .
Isn't his "missus" the same guy who in his adult life became a huge fan of Alan Partridge, and had a room full of his memorabilia? 🤣
No way😂is it the same guy?
@@alwoo5645 I had to check, but yes it is 🤣
@@BBoaBrim brilliant. I just want to be your friend Alan. And your wife
No way you big spastic you're a mentalist!
And there you have it... consent, this is exactly how it should be every time. Real men respect each other
Hardly consent, coercion more like. What do you think would have happened to Rhodes if he's said no ?
@@joekavanagh3997 we shouldn't assume the worst, and have to just accept that he would say "I can't pretend I'm not dissapointed, but I do respect your decision. Hope you enjoy the rest of your evening"
As much as I like Carlin as a protagonist, and think he handled this proposition better than many with his needs and power status would, the fact is he still orders/pressures/coerces Peter into it and abuses his top dog status to do so. Still, at least Carlin is gentle and gives them both a bit of privacy to work out the, errrr, details and formalities of their new relationship, we can say that much for him.
Real men don't shag eachother.
These guys are poofs. I don't care what the circumstances, once you tackle a man? You're homosexual
Carlin paid a huge contribution to the LGBTQ community and a lot gay guys dress as him at the Pride festival
The comment section had me seriously laughing out loud..far better than the clip !
Hey there "ForrestHillCasual",
This scene is from the original 1977 BBC TV version (which was banned for 14 years - hence why the film version was made two years later in 1979).
This subplot of Ray Winstone's character initiating a "relationship" with another inmate was eliminated from the movie version. Roy Minton the writer of "Scum" regretted that decision as he felt this subplot gave the character of Carlin a degree of vulnerability and need.....
Loved it Scum Romber Stompeder Charlie Bronson and Chopper Reid my heroes ❤
its like the british version of fleece johnsons "i like, and i want you"
‘You can have a hard time, or an easy one’
Carlin's proposition is tactical. He already knows why Rhodes was transferred, and doesn't want Rhodes trying similar shit to get preferential treatment. So, he decides to nip any big ideas in the bud and feed Rhodes a sense of privilege (arguably, ersatz) himself. It's a subtle way of Carlin winning over a suggestible yet dangerous new inmate, using a carrot not a stick. The added bonus being, it puts uppity inmates like Davis back underfoot where Carlin wants them.
It's reductive to say this scene is about homosexual love or sex - it is not explicitly said in-text that the two lads were even intimate on a physical level. It's rather a well-written exchange about symbolic power and security in an abusive patriarchy, where femininity and associated classical concepts (such as beauty, purity, and emotional expression) equal weakness e.g., Peter is a pretty and androgynous, soft-spoken virgin who was exiled for expressing his hurt and disgust at an unwanted sexual advance.
Wow. Clever stuff!
A lot of big words more like
In other words just a couple of bummers
Nice breakdown ya puff
long winded way of saying carlin wanted to bum him
What. The. F. Having watched Scum several times I've never seen this scene. Ooh er missus
What huge shirt collars!
I’m no poof but you’re getting it.
Blimey that’s Jackie Merrick from Emerdale 😂😂
I must of watched a dulled down version of it
Because I've never seen these scenes of Carlin and his 'misses'
🤢 🤮 rather die than be a 'misses'
There’s 2 films!
Never new there was 2 lol only seen 1
@@adrianocollinzo5712 there was an original made for TV version that was banned by the BBC in 1977 which is this one.. And the more well known one made in 1979.. Frank from shameless played the vegetarian archer in the 1977 version
Saying "I'm no poof" is the equivalent to saying "no homo" nowadays.
British slang
I suppose your not gay if you are the one doing the bumming 🤦♂️🤷♂️
It'd be "I'm not a battyboy" nowdays
I sure like the film Rhodes better. "You couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery."
plus he was Scottish
@@lsmith145 Wrong, he was Welsh
If Rhodes & Carlin were Scottish they’d be known as Ben Doon & Phil McCravis.
@hanghang71, this is from the BBC Play For Today made for TV version of the film. This version that was never shown on TV, though. The version you are familiar with is the film version made for cinema distribution. This scene was left out of the film version.
That's Jed Maxwell.
The mentalist
Nothing gay about this - just healthy exploration.
This scene is genius
Ian Sharrock, the Yorkshireman who plays Rhodes in this version, gives a very fine understated performance. Notice for example how Rhodes makes his decision before voicing it at 2:44; his eyebrow lifts, his eyes brighten, and he seems to come out of a fugue. Though terribly young at the time, Sharrock clearly had wherewithal & initiative to build an emotional past for his character and commit to it while treating the subject matter with gravity & professionalism in spite of the times. I daresay he was gold standard. It's a pity but understandable that on reaching 40 after a decade of 1-episode roles he gave up acting to go into sales.
I think that davis, carling and davis should of had a threesome
Sales? What selling his arse for protection?
I thought he was in Emmerdale Farm for years and got accidently shot .
@@Mark64W haha!
He was in Emmerdale Farm as it was then.
It is a great shame that this clip didn't lead into another passionate potting shed bumming. A great deleted scene we were robbed of.
You mean the rape in the shed?
Yeah great shame
wtf is wrong with you
Carlin didn't want to rape Rhodes, he made that crystal clear. There's no evidence that they even consummated their 'marriage'.
Never knew this existed till now.
me too 11 years later, Your comment is 11 years in my past and yet im 11 years in your future when you commented but now im in your present.
@@philforbes7467 STOP with the mind games ! 😱
The Small Faces In The Background !!!!!
"I am no poof..." sure you are not, suuure....
For all that the film version of this tale is regarded as more violent than the the play this scene is more disturbing than anything in the film.
i would have chosen baldy as my missus
once you try black you cant go back...lol
@markhorneyuk it is. this was banned for 14 years.
I liked this scene for the fact that it reminds the audience of the inexperienced vulnerability & loneliness of all these boys, in spite of what violence they had perpetrated in the outside world and the brutal environment in which they consequently were caged. Strangely sweet is the admission between Rhodes & Carlin that they are both virgins and have some anxiety about the fact. It's a little glimmer of a tender alternate reality. I understand the writer's chagrin that it was cut from the film thanks to mere homophobic sentiment.
Carlin (perhaps) only a virgin in the gay world
George Alderson good point, I hadn't thought of that. This is such a fascinating scene, because there are glimmers of an equal footing and power play between the two lads, though the main text clearly presents a wide gap in their status and moral standing (Carlin's "there's nothing bent about me" comment can be read two ways - implying that Carlin is a moral, just, almost-heroic tough).
@@ssian5678 Yes. The strong has his weakness and the weak has his strength so they need each other to survive. As I said somewhere else the scene also is a break from all the violence in the rest of the film which is necessary or you can become hardened to the hardness if you follow my drift.
I’m glad this scene was cut, it would have made Carlin totally unlikable. I’d then hope Banks and his boys would have took back power.
@@ivandrago1672 Banks? Banks was bumming everyone!
First line in the scene--"you want me, Carlin?" Then Rhodes chooses to sit on the empty unmade bedframe adjacent to Carlin, rather than the one facing him. Such clever, understated writing, blocking and direction.
And Rhodes was pretty and femme. Easy to see why Carlin chose him.
'Femme' 🙄
@@jesusisapisces fine, 'feminine', if you're going to split hairs and be pedantic.
@tonymontana1974 ..... This is from the actual BBC Play which was made in 1977.. it was banned from T.V...."Scum" the Big Screen version was made two years later.. The film version was a little different to the original with a couple of different actors too...Carlin was a "POOF" in the first version..LoL!! Hope this helped Tony!! Im full of useless information eh?? ; )
You're my wife now...
you never know.. try it you might like it?
Now we know where his tool was 😮😮😮😮