Is it wrong to criticize the Pope? w/ Steve Ray
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2020
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Having great respect for the papacy doesn't mean you have to agree with everything a pope says or does (papal infallibility aside, of course).
Steve Ray has some insightful thoughts on this topic.
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As a protestant who is learning about Catholicism and considering it, this is a big relief for me. I very much agree with submission to church authority. But I was concerned that the Catholic attitude was that priests and bishops were not to be questioned. It's refreshing to know that the church allows and even obligates its members to challenge priests and bishops, in charity and good faith, if they have good reason to believe they are acting in error. I appreciate the emphasis on deference of heart and mind. I believe that the attitude in which someone challenges an authority makes all the difference in terms of the appropriateness of the challenge. The attitude should always be one of love and respect.
I agree 100%. Francis is our pope, and we should pray for him and respect his office, but no one is beyond respectful criticism.
The criticism of our Holy Father is not respectful
Hello Protestant here I am glad I found your channel the Catholics in my life who I love are not the most educated on there faith & can’t answer all my questions in our discussions . I will say from the outside looking in some things seem strange and it is good to listen to a educated Catholic ! I wasn’t sure if the pope word was considered by Catholics as good as scripture ? Thanks for the videos and the Catholic perspective!
What say you? Is it wrong to criticize Pope Francis? If no, when can it become unhelpful or sinful?
"But prove all things; hold fast that which is good. From all appearance of evil refrain yourselves." - The Bible
It is only unhelpful or sinful when it leads to schism. He's still the legitomate pope, the sucessor of Peter, the vicar of Christ.
For one thing, Pope Francis comments a lot on secular matters so in that capacity he’s just a man, and of course we can criticize his stances.
Yes it is wrong to criticize him with the intention to cause division in the Church and stir up controversy.
I think as faithful catholics it is our right to ask our leaders for certain answers, however it becomes wrong only when our intentions are wrong, we also need to take care of our language and tone when we publicly question our own leaders.
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907 "In accord with the knowledge, competence, and preeminence which they possess, [lay people] have the right and even at times a duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church, and they have a right to make their opinion known to the other Christian faithful, with due regard to the integrity of faith and morals and reverence toward their pastors, and with consideration for the common good and the dignity of persons."
Thank you
Can. 1404 The First See is judged by no one.
Canon 1373. A person who publicly incites hatred or animosity against the Apostolic See or the Ordinary because of some act of ecclesiastical office or duty, or who provokes disobedience against them, is to be punished by interdict or other just penalties.
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The frequency of the Pope not being consistent with teaching makes it look like he is being constantly criticized. Cause and effect.
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Its good that Mr Ray criticizes Pope Francis without fearing the judgement of others. Pope Francis is doing much damage to the Church. Francis need all our prayers more than ever!
yup, the pope is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Can. 1404 The First See is judged by no one.
Canon 1373. A person who publicly incites hatred or animosity against the Apostolic See or the Ordinary because of some act of ecclesiastical office or duty, or who provokes disobedience against them, is to be punished by interdict or other just penalties.
Fortunately I do not think that pope Francis allows for open criticism for open discussion at times because there was a bishop from Taiwan I believe tried to warn him about the China deal and he refused to see him. As well as Mike Pompeo who is a good practicing Catholic tried to speak to the pope about this deal and he was shut down both were sent home without a meaning the bishop stood there for three days waiting to be seen. We must pray for the pope
Instead of criticising the Pope, a better approach would be to point out whenever or wherever one Pope contradicts another Pope, or whenever there is a U-turn on any doctrine, or wherever bishops obviously disagree on anything.
It cannot be Heretical to criticize a Heretic. Bergoglio is a Heretic in the core meaning of that word!!
To all the people with strong feelings towards the pope, I say look at the very lowest moments of the Church. The Saeculum Obscurum, western schism, the renaissance popes. We've had bad - sometimes borderline criminal - popes before, and the Church is still the Church. This thing where every phrase of the pope becomes a headline is very new. In ancient times, unless you lived in Rome, you pretty much only knew 2 things about the pope: 1) there is one and 2) you should pray for him. Maybe we should try this medieval piety.
One last thing. Keep in mind that "to whom much is given, much is requested". To whom is given more than to the vicar of Christ? Francis won't be judged by internet radtrads (he wishes!), but by God himself. If you believe he's made mistakes in his pastoral approach (like I do), or even more, if you believe he's in heresy, you should pray for him even more. He doesn't answer to us, but to the Lord of all creation. What a terrible job to be bad at, right? So think about it, and pray for his soul.
I love Pope Francis. 🤗
What would you call a wolf in sheep's clothing then?
Of course, St. Paul was a fellow apostle and writer of much of the New Testament, and he criticized Pope Peter. This is the point! It's not an "example" or excuse for what we have today. That's a world of difference from what we have now: rampant disrespect and every Tom, Dick, and Harry criticizing, and too often bashing and second-guessing (not to mention, grossly misrepresenting) the pope, to the extent that even rudimentary respect and deference that the pope is owed, is absent. In effect, it is Protestant or dissident Catholic thinking: denying the pope the authority and respect he is automatically owed. My own position (often vastly misunderstood) is not that no criticism is ever possible, ever. It's that it should be very rare, with the right attitude, by the right people, and in the right circumstance.
Moreover, of course what is going on now, on a massive scale, is accusations that Pope Francis has committed flat-out heresy, and in magisterial documents (e.g., Amoris Laetitia). So Matt's talking about merely criticism of non-infallible utterances or behavior, falls flat when it comes to those instances. All of the big pope-bashing books now (Sire, Marshall, Lawler et al) are accusing him of deliberately subverting the faith and/or committing heresy in his official role as pope. The Paul vs. Peter incident simply has no relevance to those outrageous accusations.
Vatican I [ONE, not Two, in 1870], in defining papal infallibility, made it very clear that the pope was protected by God from falling into heresy:
"[T]his See of Saint Peter remains ever free from all blemish of error, according to the divine promise of the Lord our Saviour made to the Prince of His disciples: “I have prayed for thee that thy faith fail not; and when thou art converted, confirm thy brethren.
"This gift, then, of truth and never-failing faith was conferred by heaven upon Peter and his successors in this Chair, that they might perform their high office for the salvation of all; that the whole flock of Christ, kept away by them from the poisonous food of error, might be nourished with the pasture of heavenly doctrine; that, the occasion of schism being removed, the whole Church might be kept one, and resting in its foundation, might stand firm against the gates of hell."
Steve Ray also brought up the example of St. Catherine of Siena. I'm delighted that he did so. Of course, she was not only a saint, but a mystic and Doctor of the Church (which he noted, but apparently missed the high irony involved). And that is supposed to be analogous to Steve Ray or Phil Lawler or Taylor Marshall "criticizing" this present pope? Give me a break. Those are not just terrible analogies; they are no analogies at all.
Pope Francis is NOT being shown respect or deference by many thousands of Catholics.
The Roman Pontiff, as the Successor of Peter, is "the perpetual and visible principle and foundation of unity both of the Bishops and of the multitude of the faithful".
It would be great if Catholics treated the Pope as what he is (principle and foundation of unity) and not as a cause of discord. Catholics must stop wanting the Pope to rule the Holy Church according to what they think is right. Catholic faith is not politics.