Why No Catholic can Support Socialism W/ Trent Horn
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- Опубліковано 21 лют 2020
- I ask Trent to give the Catholic position on Socialism. As Catholics we have a moral imperative to object to Socialism as an ideology, and not just because it doesn't work as an economic system.
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I recommend all Catholics read Rerum Novarum and Quadragesimo Anno, two encyclicals that explain the evils of both socialism and unrestricted capitalism.
It is incredibly encouraging to see so many fellow Catholics in the comments reminding us all to stay vigilant but not to let Capitalism off the hook for it's incredible offenses against human dignity and justice. Our community rocks!
This video critically misunderstands what socialism is. Socialism in not a lesser version communism. That’s like saying Capitalism is a less version of anarchy. You know the police and firemen are both socialist polices. They are industries operated, controlled, funded, and managed by the government.
If a Catholic (christian) can’t be a socialist, can’t either be a capitalist. Haven’t read the book, but have read political/economic books and this analysis is very vague and translates capitalism as market which it’s not the same.
Hilarious that UA-cam loaded a Bernie ad on this.
There’s nothing wrong with Socialism as an idea. It’s right there in the Gospels and in Christ’s teaching. I would say pure socialism in unworkable unless we are all close to perfect. And we are not. We should not confuse Socialism with Communism, which is a whole different thing. Many European countries practice a degree of socialism and it works just fine. I would say no Catholic should support unfettered Capitalism. And the Gospels would back me up.
This is funny since the most fervent catholic countries are socialist 😅
I think you've got be really careful with terms and who you describe as socialist. I notice the Sanders is on your thumbnail. Sanders is not a socialist - he actually advocates for a European/Nordic mixed economic system with safety nets for those who are left behind by markets. He does not advocate for government nationalisation of means of production. If you look at Christian social teaching, particularly Catholic social teaching, there are strong limitations of where they think markets can go - be that because of protection of the poor or because markets are amoral and you can profit really from any activity. Limitations on certain kinds of market activities should be objected to. Furthermore, the East Asian example is used as an example of market economies reducing poverty, which is true, but it's got to be nuanced. They didn't adopt markets wholesale over all aspects of the economy. They targeted high value industries that the government would protect and support. Korea is a prime example of this. So I think the discussion should be nuanced a bit, and there needs to be recognition that markets can lead to distorted and, frankly, immoral incentives if not regulated.
I’m gonna call BS on this
Catholic social teaching is the most beautiful part of Catholicism, it truly is the answer to the excesses of our age.
Pope Benedict XVI on democratic socialism, “Back to Europe. A third model was added to the two models of the 19th century: socialism. Socialism took two main paths - the democratic and the totalitarian. Democratic socialism became a healthy counterbalance to radical socialism. It enriched and corrected them. It proved itself even when religious confessions took over… In many ways, democratic socialism stands and stood close to the Catholic social teachings. It in any case contributed a substantial amount to the education of social conscience.”
CCC 2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism." She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor. Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market." Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.
A Catholic cannot be a capitalist either
It’s reductive to say that the growth of cities was due to people seeking a better life because it leaves out the enclosure movements that forced serfs off their land, leaving them with little other options. The evictions that occurred during the Great Famine in Ireland were a great example of the interests of capital forcing rural poor into cities to participate in wage labor.
"No one can be a true socialist and a sincere Catholic at the same time."
How many of you actually live under socialism as a Catholic? I did. I remember forced "marches for socialism", brainwashed into thinking that we live in the greatest place on earth and at the same time long lines for everything, empty shelves and rations cards: one pair of winter boots for us kids, no choice for style or color, ill fitting jackets and parents struggling to put a meal on the table: potatoes with fried onions as the dinner staple in our family. Practicing our faith was the only way of feeling free. I cannot believe demons of my childhood are finding their voices here.
Capitalism is not simply a market economy, and socialism is not communism.
Most Americans I see on the internet use the word 'socialism' as if we still lived in the 1890s.
Socialism takes away Caritas1.) Geopoliticalfutures article:"The World Bank began tracking poverty in China in 1981. In that year, 88.3 percent of China’s population lived on less than $1.90 a day (roughly 870 million people). Push the threshold up a little bit and poverty in China was even more striking: 99.1 percent of China’s population lived on less than $3.10 a day (over 980 million people). The last year for which the World Bank has official data is 2010, and the transformation, as you can see in the line graph above, is extraordinary. In 2010, only 11.2 percent (almost 150 million people) lived on less than $1.90 a day. Not shown above is that 27.2 percent (almost 360 million people) lived on less than $3.10 a day.
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