I tend to lean toward skepticism when it comes to relics like the Shroud, but with all the recent findings coming out, I can honestly say that my confidence level is very high for this being the real deal. Never thought I would say that a few years ago.
On his podcast, Father Carlos Martins, exorcist, said that a priest gave him a tiny strand from the shroud. He did not know for fact if the string was authentic but he assumed so. When he had a really terrible possession case that was very difficult and nothing was progressing, he pulled out the envelope with the strand of the shroud. The demon of the possessed person immediately became quiet,subdued, and it positioned the person's body to match the image on the shroud (crossed wrists etc) and if I recall, he said it was whimpering. Father knew then the strand was authentic.
@@MWroses Conferring authenticity because of only one single event wherein random chance is a viably huge factor is not only bad science but is also akin to jumping a twenty-foot chasm in two ten-foot leaps.
@@Metanoia000 Really? Then how come it has been replicated with a very simple method over a decade ago in 2009.? If you still haven't heard of it 14 years later, I have to assume you don't want to know, but for those who do want to know the truth of it, just google the name of Luigi Garlaschelli, the professor of Organic Chemistry in Italy, who reproduced the shroud to the most minute detail. At any rate, what has been proven is that shroud is a fake first mentioned and displayed in the early 14th century. The fact the carbon dating confirmed that date should be enough for anyone even remotely rational.
Hey Cameron, I have only made it through the intro so far and am looking forward to finishing the interview but I just want to say that I already notice a huge difference in the quality of production. I think moving away from live interviews and into pre recorded interviews was a great idea for the channel and looking forward to future uploads!
It is fake and he is being dishonest. For example at around 9-10 minutes in when he is talking about Peter at the empty tomb and the author uses 3 different words. No competent writer will use repetitive words if they can avoid it. I learned this in like 3rd grade when they taught us about dictionaries and thesauruses. This catholic priest absolutely knows this too. I guarantee it... These men, all catholic priests are trained in deceptive arts, rhetoric... None of them even believe in Jesus or the Bible. If they did they would not pray to Mary and her statues. It's a big scam. Come out of her.
@@jamesfitzpatrick9869 There's a million-dollar challenge to who can replicate the Shroud of Turin, perhaps you can gather all the artists and scientists in the world so they can get that easy money.
this format is so much better. editing is perfect because all the dead stuff is gone. this interview deserves a part 2 in discussing the details and putting the shroud and the sudarium of oviedo under a criminological assessment, preferably by j. warner wallace. the points of coincidence of the two pieces of evidence have not undergone a criminological evaluation and taken together can only point to covering the same individual: Jesus of Nazareth
Fantastic work Cameron. The editing and pacing on these interviews are great. Your effort is noticed and appreciated! I continue to pray that this transition for your channel is successful.
Totally agree! Really great editing! Not something that I’ve really seen anyone else do, with the cutting, adding the text like you did, etc. Very well done.
@robertstephenson6806 Not sure how you conclude the truth of (1). (2) While there does seem to be tension between the idea of a face-cloth and the image on the shroud, this is not conclusive evidence. It is evidence, but I'm not confident in our ability to know precisely what the nature of the face-cloth is at this point. Perhaps there is a way to reconcile the two. I'm sure shroud scholars have looked into the question and have presented some alternatives. One would need to interact with their work before declaring the evidence was conclusive. (3) This seems the weakest of your arguments. Reconstructing the features of the man of the shroud is not nearly precise enough to tell us how attractive he was, how good his posture was, whether he had a lazy eye, if he had yellow teeth, or many other things.
Say the claims are 100% proven to be real. So what? What does that do for you? What difference does that make? See you think there is some superpower to be had by holding a physical object. Do you know how God defines faith? The substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN. This is fleshy carnal filthy degeneracy. You keep thinking that if I can see it and touch it that brings some great power. That it somehow strengthens faith. Your foolish and understand nothing about the kingdom of God. Your flesh is stuck in the kingdom of heaven. It's a mental disorder at the least. The CAT-holics claimed to have Jesus' baby linen. Why you'd keep a dirty diaper for 2000 years idk. Claimed to have John the Baptist head and some of Mary's breast milk. Ya have to be mentally sick. What does do it? Absolutely nothing, just a perversion and distraction from the one thing undeniably that is from God. All scripture is given by inspiration of God. The superior and pure words of God found in the authorized KJV.
I was not a believer before I saw enough evidence to convince me that Jesus really is the Son of God. There are people that can be convinced with decent evidence, but what you said is still true for a good percentage of people.
He was also a Catholic lol. The same Catholic church which has refused to declare the Shroud a miracle despite overwhelming scientific evidence in support of it. The same Catholic Church which has declared Jews and Muslims will enter the Kingdom without accepting Christ because they are "good people". That Catholic church which Aquinas declared the p;apal head of to be God's mouthpiece on Earth.... Yeah, your source exerts no influence amongst those who know.
Just looked into it. Apparently, the carbon dating that was conducted the first time was flawed. A new non-destructive test via Wide-Angle X-Ray Scattering was conducted, which dates it back to the 1st century AD, and the blood remains shows high levels of bilirubin (this is released by the liver), which is consistent of someone who was tortured. Not only that, but apparently the only way for the image to have appeared the way it has, is through electromagnetic radiation, which increases carbon 14! So because the original researchers that did the initial carbon dating failed to factor this in, they got faulty results with respect to the date to which the shroud dates back. This is fascinating information.
Let us trust THE eyewitness. The regarding verses of John should clearly show that the Shroud of Turin is not in conformity with his gospel because there are more than one artifacts in question. Remember that Peter and John were in the tomb and it is out of discussion that it was the same John who wrote the gospel: John 20:6+7 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the LINEN CLOTHS [plural] lying there, and the FACE CLOTH [singular], which had been on Jesus' head, not lying WITH the LINEN CLOTHS [plural] but folded up in a place by itself. And there has to be a comparing view on how Jews were buried at that time although all steps happend after Christs' death were done in a hurry and it is therefore maybe not comparable 100 % with the standard e.g. the story of Lazarus: John 11:44 The man who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with LINEN STRIPS [plural], and his face wrapped with A CLOTH. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.” But if we would refer to this standard then it debunks the authenticity of the shroud even better than John 20:6+7. And please do not rely on UA-cam only. Once you are viewing something like that you are in video bubble where similar videos are proposed to keep you as long as possible watching.
@@wipo3654 You could use a _lot_ Bible study as well as Shroud study. Those of us that have _actually studied_ *both* the Bible as well as the Shroud know that the face cloth is in Spain today where it has been for the last 1400 years. It is known as the Sudarium of Oviedo. And no, Jesus was *not* wrapped up like King Tut. Funny how some people are that silly to think so. . 1. 'And Joseph bought a linen *shroud,* and taking him down, wrapped him in the linen *shroud* [Mark 15:46] 2. 'And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen *shroud'* [Matthew 27:59] 3. 'Then he took it down and wrapped it in a linen *shroud'* [Luke 23:53] Each of the synoptic Gospels mention Joseph of Arimathea making use of a single linen cloth to wrap the body of Jesus for burial. The Word 'Sindon' (singular noun ) means 'A clean sheet' and the Word 'Othonion' (plural noun) means 'bandages'. Luke uses the same plural noun (Othonion), “funeral linens,” in his account of the Resurrection (Luke 24: 12) after earlier speaking of the singular burial cloth (Sindon) or *shroud* (Luke 23 :53) . This plural noun mentioned in (Luke 24: 12) is intended to include all the funeral elements such as : 1) A long *shroud( - It's used to wrap whole body 2)A face cloth or 'Soudarion' - It's not used to wrap whole head but to wipe the perspiration from one’s face. The Greek word 'Soudarion' was derived from a Latin word for “sweat.” 3)A few stripes of linen - They help to tie a shroud around a body The Fourth Gospel never mentions such a 'Sindon'. Instead, John writes of Joseph and Nicodemus “binding the body of Jesus in strips of linen” The verb 'Binding' ( δέω) is frequently found in the context of binding a prisoner with chains. (Mark 5.3; 6.17; Acts 12.6; 21.33) John uses the same verb in Revelation for the 'binding' of the dragon (Rev 20: 2) Those "strips" were there to hold the body in place during rigor, as well as to secure the Shroud to his body. Duh! And who out there is dumb enough to believe _anything_ from Wikipedia? Wikipedia is an anti-religious, anti-Christian business with political answers based on personal bias. You should doubt almost everything they write on contentious issues. Same with Snopes kids. All intelligent people that have spend even a couple for hours studying the Bible and the Shroud _know_ that is is no fake. . It was *proven* by many dozens of doctors, scientists, archeologists, and other highly trained researchers and their _tens of thousands of hours_ of examination that the Shroud *most definitely* wrapped the body of a severely beaten, scourged and crucified man that was wearing a crown or cap of thorns before he died. *PROVEN.* Only an imbecile would be dumb enough to think that this was someone other than our Lord Jesus.
@@wipo3654The face cloth was probably the Sudarium of Oviedo. The blood stains on the Sudarium match those on the Shroud in over 100 places, meaning that they were almost certainly used on the same person, even though the Sudarium has been in Spain since the 7th century.
@@adamclark1972uk Thanks for statement. Tell me please your reliable sources that the sudarium matches with the shroud. I only know the controversy of the sudarium on Wikipedia and there is also mentioned that it covered a man with a squeezed nose. Apart from this occupy yourself with the burial tradition of jews 2000 years ago. Compare this info with the gospels. I am still of the opinion that the body of Jesus was wrapped with linen strips in the same way as Lazarus. And Lazarus could come out of the tomb on his own. This would be impossible beeing wrapped in one piece of textile. The gospel of John clearly mentioned that Jesus was buried according to the tradition at that time. And remember that Joseph and Nikodemus were rich people so we have to consider also this. Keep me updated when you have significant findings indicating verifiable sources. Thanks.
I have heard Fathers talk multiple times.. Yet here I am listening again. I do believe that this is our Lords burial cloth. There is overwhelming evidence to prove it so...and zero to prove it fake! Thank you Jesus for this cloth and for what you did for us on the Cross!
@@RichardTavilla I have. The argument is that the sample taken was from the repaired part of the shroud. However, professor Michael Tite, who supervised the testing process, points out that two textile experts were present to ensure that the sample was from the un-repaired part of the shroud. What is interesting is that the Catholic Church has never claimed the church is genuine. The carbon dating of the shroud places it around the time the shroud appears in history. Even if the shroud dated to the first century, there is no evidence that it was Christ’s burial shroud. Many people were crucified in the first century. There is no chain of custody for the shroud. If a body was wrapped in the shroud, when you flattened the shroud the image would be distorted because of spherical excess caused by projecting a three dimensional image onto a two dimensional surface. The evidence for the shroud would be inadmissible in a court of law. It would have problems at an auction as it lacks provenance.
I am not one who holds to relics, AT ALL!! But after doing a deep dive into the shroud I am convinced this is the burial cloth of Jesus. If it happens not to be, doesn’t impact my trust in Jesus. But I do believe it to be genuine
@@swathdiver489thanks for stating that without explaining anything. Like I said, if it’s not His it doesn’t impact my faith in Him. But from what I’ve learned about it, it lines up with the biblical and historical accounts. To say “you haven’t read your bible” just seems like an attempt to pick a fight with no evidence to back it up. I’ll wait….
Swathdiver will probably pull out a passage of the “strips of linen” from John 20:1-18. Thing is, the shroud has a strip of linen attached to the side of it (just google image it) other documentaries state that part was sown back to the shroud. Theory is it was really the strip that binded the body together from the outside (and also caused the image disruption close to the neck). The face cloth hasn’t been found (could be the Oviedo cloth, google it). So the passage doesn’t invalidade the shroud, people just assume that, for some reason, if we have just the shroud, then that’s the only thing used in the burial.
Great video! The Father with you is a wealth of knowledge on the Shroud. Very interesting and so many good points made by him. May God bless you both 🙏
It would take a greater leap of faith to disbelieve the Shroud in light of all the evidence. For starters, a 14th century artist would have to create something we are unable to create today, with artistic means that were never again used. And they would have to create the image as a photographic negative without knowing anything of photography. There is a greater likelihood the dating analysis was incorrect, especially given that the institution that did the carbon dating no longer stands behind their conclusions. Peace be with you.
Ang ganda ng mensahe ng channel na ito! Napaka-inspirational at nagbibigay-lakas sa bawat isa sa atin na mas mapalapit sa Diyos. Salamat sa pagbibigay-diin sa kahalagahan ng Salita ng Diyos. Nawa'y magpatuloy ang inyong misyon sa pagpapalaganap ng Kanyang mga aral. God bless sa lahat ng iyong mga gawain!
I have been so obsessed for years and can’t get enough of any info on the shroud!! I work in the medical field and how all the science and evidence is there!! I believe God has revealed his Son for such a time as this!!I’ve been a believer of Christ since childhood and having the technology now to zone in to study the shroud is wonderful!and to think that the crown of thorns was done as an afterthought ( not really) so God knew that this would be a no doubt. It would be easy to say it was just a regular Roman crucifixion because they are found other people and remains with similar nails in the feet, etc. but the only one in all of history had a crown of thorns. Also, Roman soldiers knew exactly how many lashes with the whip, that would kill a man and when to stop and the lashes with the whip with that metal matches the scars on his back. I am so passionate about the shroud. There’s no doubt in my mind that is Jesus burial cloth. This is a wonderful presentation. Thank you so much!
Absolutly correct, the science supports the scriptures. From the blood, the surging from a Roman whip, the Wound in the side, the crown of thorns, the pollen, fabric and the style of weave in the shroud are from the period of Christ, the evidence of Roman coins from the period of Christ, and much more. This is the one true shroud!
Let us trust THE eyewitness. The regarding verses of John should clearly show that the Shroud of Turin is not in conformity with his gospel because there are more than one artifacts in question. Remember that Peter and John were in the tomb and it is out of discussion that it was the same John who wrote the gospel: John 19:39+40 Nicodemus also, who earlier had come to Jesus by night, came bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [about 32 kg] in weight. So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in LINEN CLOTHES [plural] with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. John 20:6+7 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the LINEN CLOTHS [plural] lying there, and the FACE CLOTH [singular], which had been on Jesus' head, not lying WITH the LINEN CLOTHS [plural] but folded up in a place by itself. And there has to be a comparing view on how Jews were buried at that time although all steps happend after Christs' death were done in a hurry and it is therefore maybe not comparable 100 % with the standard e.g. the story of Lazarus: John 11:44 The man who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with LINEN STRIPS [plural], and his face wrapped with A CLOTH. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.” But if we would refer to this standard then it debunks the authenticity of the shroud even better than John 20:6+7. And please do not rely on UA-cam only. Once you are viewing something like that you are in video bubble where similar videos are proposed to keep you as long as possible watching. I find it very helpful to read at least the regarding articles on Wikipedia: #Shroud of Turin #Sudarium of Oviedo There you can read the whole controversy with PROS and CONS and indicated sources. (please apologise my German thinking English - thanks)
@@wipo3654 Hello nice posting. It reminded me how I heard, the "swaddling cloths" that baby Jesus was wrapped in. Is strips of fabric, same like they traditionally wrap the dead in. That his birth was like a funeral and he was even born in a cave like a tomb.
@@realnametba2 then you don't know what a sceptic is. Just by looking at the thing you can tell it's hilariously fake. And every time someone non-biased has examined it, it has been deemed a fake. I'd say you're a religous clown disguised as a sceptic. No sale.
By far one of the most interesting vids i've watched on this topic. Would love more historical forms of video/commentary as a form of apologetics. Prayers for you, your family, and your channel.
Independent of the thrilling content, I just wanted to commend you on your change in production style. This is a grand improvement, gripping, concise and engaging. Wonderful to see God's work with this channel.
The Greek words mentioned "οθονια" (othonia)11:50 is the one in Luke 24:12. He's right, it's plural. σινδονα (sindona) is the word from Mark15:46 where Joseph of Arimathea buys cloth to wrap Jesus's body. It's singular. He's right, there's a shroud and something plural that contextually looks more like strips.
This relic has x-ray qualities on the cloth. We know that the outer fibers are oxidized to form the image. It’s like a negative like film. It’s basically and X-ray because you can see the arm, underneath the arm. Certainly it can only be due to a strong burst of radiation coming from the body. It could not be faked in that era. The injuries where exactly what was described in the Bible. The AB blood type is another give away. It’s rare in the population with one exception. Jews in northern Israel have this blood type in far greater numbers. The only person that I ever knew with this blood type was a friend of mine who is half Jewish. Those two facts stood out giveaways as to what this is: x-ray image and AB blood type. Furthermore, the face cloth in Spain also has AB blood type and the odds of that coincidence are too unlikely for it to be coincidence. For both to have the same blood type by chance would be .02 x .02. We all know what this is.
Even the most non religious person must realize that the staggering amount of detail on this cloth is just to inconceivable that any artist or forger could have ever created such a masterpiece. Everyone should also be aware that the carbon dating sample or area,Where the samples were taken.The area chosen just happened to be a woven medieval repair that was cleverly spliced into the linen fabric and then died to match the rest! The swatches were cotton threads & the shroud is created by using linen fibers! That shoots your carbon dating down.The pollen & the stone dust tell the real story.
What exactly about the Shroud has anything to do with religion? Assuming it's authentically a real death burial shroud from the correct period and place we still have absolutely 0 reason to think it was specifically Jesus' shroud. And even if it were 100% confirmed to belong to Jesus who cares? It wouldn't prove anything supernatural in the slightest.
Since we're talking about details in the 'masterpiece', it's fair to point out that that's not the face of someone merely 33 years of age. Remember, Jesus died young, barely past his 20's. The image on the shroud looks like a very old man.
@@skydriver5709 I mean the life expectancy in first century Judea might not have been great. Jesus was living in the wilderness with twelve other dudes so for him 33 was the new 66 😂
John 20:28-29 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Glory to Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
Another thing to remember is that I believe in 2005 the protective backing of the Shroud had to be removed, revealing some of the original weave never seen before. The weave has only been found in one place: Masada, Israel, before AD 70.
Yeah the fishbone weave can only be done during 1st century Israel which rich people only can posses. And Joseph of aramithea is a rich Pharisee who donated it to wrap Jesus.
I could have kept listening.. this was amazing fthr Dalton is wonderful to listen to and you as host was just as brilliant, definitely will watch for more , thank you 😊
I always had a theory that GOD left enough to believe and just enough to doubt anything and this lovely priest has basically confirmed that theory....and I believe that the Shroud is authentic and the carbon dating token fro a medieval repair later dust particles,pollen and other impurities would dilute the years of the carbon dating Happy new year brothers and sisters ❤️🙏✝️✡️
I remember when that study came out and said the Shroud was a fake. My first thought was they got something wrong. Never did I consider this relic to be fake. Father Dalton is incredible when discussing this.
Ditto. I NEVER believed it was fake. I KNEW + have ALWAYS known in my spirit -- that the Shroud is REAL -- that the image IS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST -- that the emanating rays, if u will, coming from Jesus' image on the cloth are the NRG markings left by his body RISING FROM THE DEAD. I have ALWAYS BELIEVED + WILL ALWAYS. 🙌 ✝️ 🙌
Correct, we don't have the technology to impart the 3-D image on the top linen fibers, which is a 2-D surface. We can be certain that medieval artists did not know how to do this either.
@@debrahouston2884 According to John's Gospel, a full length shroud was never found in the empty tomb. All that was seen were the linen strips to wrap and bind the body and the face cloth. THERE WAS NEVER ANY SHROUD that covered the face. A lot of Christians who accept the Turin Shroud as genuine need to reread the various gospel accounts. They will discover that the "shroud" translation/scenario is a complete misrepresentation.
@@les2997 Yes, we do. And yes, some of them did, because it was not painted but created by projecting the image of a corpse with the aid of a camera obscura (known to Leonardo da Vinci and no doubt others) onto a genuine burial cloth brought by by a pilgrim from the Holy Land and smeared with a photo-sensitive chemical.
This is a great interview. Fr Dalton is very knowledgable and authoritative. I'd never paid attention to the verses in scripture about the clothing before but I went back and looked and it's really compelling.
Now we have a face to the Person we reject or sin against. I'm biased as a believer, but the Holy Face on the Shroud moves me and compels my attention. I can't put it into words.
On his podcast, Father Carlos Martins, exorcist, said that a priest gave him a tiny strand from the shroud. He did not know for fact if the string was authentic but he assumed so. When he had a really terrible possession case that was very difficult and nothing was progressing, he pulled out the envelope with the strand of the shroud. The demon of the possessed person immediately became quiet,subdued, and it positioned the person's body to match the image on the shroud (crossed wrists etc) and if I recall, he said it was whimpering. Father knew then the strand was authentic.
On his podcast, Father Carlos Martins, exorcist, said that a priest gave him a tiny strand from the shroud. He did not know for fact if the string was authentic but he assumed so. When he had a really terrible possession case that was very difficult and nothing was progressing, he pulled out the envelope with the strand of the shroud. The demon of the possessed person immediately became quiet,subdued, and it positioned the person's body to match the image on the shroud (crossed wrists etc) and if I recall, he said it was whimpering. Father knew then the strand was authentic.
Hello my friend, very interesting I’m a Catholic and enjoy very much listening to father Carlos and others do you have a link of where this pod cast can be found please
A miraculous incident, and it is my obligation to say it and others have the right to know,I am from Qatar, and I saw the image of the Jesus Christ on the ceiling of my room, where He manifested April 2016 His face is a little long, white and beautiful, light beard, head hair lies on top shoulders. The eyes are sharp, and beautiful features resemble the people of the Middle East, The picture was very super clear, which astonished and surprised me. At first I was asleep and suddenly woke up to bear witness to the situation,I thought there is some likeness in the very slight of my friend , but a quick inspiration came to me. He is Jesus , all of this took a few seconds was enough, I don't know how the disappearance happened after the vision. It happened once hence what in my real scene i only with no hesitation to say this the Christ looks other than this i do not know.. Translate Arabic to English using Google,
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. Glory to Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
While I’m Baptist, and in Baptist Seminary now studying ministry, I found this to be an incredible talk. I love to hear this guy’s passion for truth. Clearly he loves his Savior. Bless you!
Would you be able to discuss this in your seminary please? And maybe there is an expert who has veryfiable sources to compare it with the burial custom mentioned in the gospel of John: John 11:44 The man [Lazarus] who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with LINEN STRIPS [plural], and his face wrapped with A CLOTH. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.” John 19:39+40 Nicodemus also, who earlier had come to Jesus by night, came bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [about 32 kg] in weight. So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in LINEN CLOTHES [plural] with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. John 20:6+7 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the LINEN CLOTHS [plural] lying there, and the FACE CLOTH [singular], which had been on Jesus' head, not lying WITH the LINEN CLOTHS [plural] but folded up in a place by itself.
It can't be denied anymore. It is good to be skeptical about things. It males It that more special when something is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
The fact that the Linen was folded has a meaning.... At mealtime, whenever someone got up and left the table, they would fold their 'napkin' or Supper Cloth, signifying that they were returning. Just a bit of historical reference.
There is NO biblical evidence that the body of Jesus was covered with a linen sheet. The gospel of John states explicitly that several lines strips (used for binding the hands and legs) and a face cloth were found lying separately in the empty tomb. NO SHROUD. This is convincing evidence that the Turin Shroud was hoaxed.
In case people are unaware, there is a documentary coming out in theaters in Nov. It uses crine-solving techniques to get to the truth of the matter. It's called The Shroud: Face to Face.
There's been many videos lately about the shroud of Turin, this one has shown evidence I didn't know before. Such as the if the image was a fake that an artist painted, the blood had to be painted before the image of Jesus was painted. I feel that the fact that it was a negative when photographed is one of the best pieces of evidence. The flash of light had to be so immense to produce the negative. Something no avaliable until around 1836. Great video, thank-you.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of the absence of knowledge about photography. Leonardo da Vinci did experiments with a camera obscura, and his alchemical knowledge might have included that of photo-sensitive chemicals. You don't need a bright flash of light to create the image on the Turin Shroud, just a camera obscura working on a well-lit corpse, projecting its image onto a genuine burial cloth brought back from the Holy Land by a pilgrim and covered in a solution of some photo-sensitive chemical that might have been known to alchemists of the day. You cannot rule out a possibility simply for want of any evidence.
This talk is like eating a juicy steak: perfectly seasoned, perfectly prepared, and I am consuming it one little delicious piece at a time! I am enjoying this video so much!
John 20: 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Romans 20: 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
ALL the wonders of the world, considered together, pale in comparison to the greatest wonder God has given us. It is the only miracle that exists, is tangible, and allows us to examine it in unbelievable detail. The more we learn the greater the reality and truth. And why are we now discovering these truths that have been hidden for centuries? Thank God for the scientists able to piece this all together for us.
Fr. Dalton is maybe the top Shroud of Turin speaker out there. He and Fr. Pasqual are both are amazing. Fr. Pasqual heads up the Shroud Studies program at the Vatican and Fr. Dalton is his #2 man in Rome.
@@adamcosper3308 "At that time Jesus answered and said: I confess to thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them to the little ones." God loves the simple of heart, not those who have complex ways of justifying their being in resistance to God. "God resists the proud." He allows them to believe that they 'evolved' from literal mud, yet deny evidence like the shroud, for example.
@@themobbit9061 Science has _proven_ that the Shroud once contained the body of a man that was horribly beaten, savagely scourged, and then crucified wearing a cap of thorns. And it has been dated to the 1st century. What kind of moron does it take to think that this was _not_ the burial shroud of our Lord Jesus?
One of the most moving accounts of the veneration of relics is that of the very body of Christ itself. Rather than leaving his body on the cross, to be taken down and disposed of by the Romans (as was the customary practice), Joseph of Arimathea courageously interceded with Pilate for Christ’s body (Mark 15:43, John 19:38). He donated his own, newly hewn tomb as Christ’s resting place (Matt. 27:60). Nicodemus came and donated over a hundred pounds of spices to wrap inside Jesus’ grave clothes (John 19:39), that amount of spices being used only for the most honored dead. And after he was buried, the women went to reverently visit the tomb (Matt. 28:1) and to further anoint Christ’s body with spices even though it had already been sealed inside the tomb (Mark 16:1, Luke 24:1). These acts of reverence were more than just the usual courtesy shown to the remains of the dead; they were special respect shown to the body of a most holy man-in this case, the holiest man who has ever lived, for he was God Incarnate. Keep in mind what the Church says about relics. It doesn’t say there is some magical power in them. There is nothing in the relic itself, whether a bone of the apostle Peter or water from Lourdes, that has any curative ability. The Church just says that relics may be the occasion of God’s miracles, and in this the Church follows Scripture. The use of the bones of Elisha brought a dead man to life: “So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. And as a man was being buried, lo, a marauding band was seen and the man was cast into the grave of Elisha; and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood on his feet” (2 Kgs. 13:20-21). This is an unequivocal biblical example of a miracle being performed by God through contact with the relics of a saint! Similar are the cases of the woman cured of a hemorrhage by touching the hem of Christ’s cloak (Matt. 9:20-22) and the sick who were healed when Peter’s shadow passed over them (Acts 5:14-16). “And God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them” (Acts 19:11-12). If these aren’t examples of the use of relics, what are? In the case of Elisha, a Lazarus-like return from the dead was brought about through the prophet’s bones. In the New Testament cases, physical things (the cloak, the shadow, handkerchiefs and aprons) were used to effect cures. There is a perfect congruity between present-day Catholic practice and ancient practice.
On his podcast, Father Carlos Martins, exorcist, said that a priest gave him a tiny strand from the shroud. He did not know for fact if the string was authentic but he assumed so. When he had a really terrible possession case that was very difficult and nothing was progressing, he pulled out the envelope with the strand of the shroud. The demon of the possessed person immediately became quiet,subdued, and it positioned the person's body to match the image on the shroud (crossed wrists etc) and if I recall, he said it was whimpering. Father knew then the strand was authentic.
Also to illustrate just how thin the image is on the fibres, it's around 2microns, A4 paper thickness is around 80 microns. There's so many facts that could've been mentioned here, like in the blood on the cloth a chemical called bilirubin which permanently makes blood red instead of turning it black, this chemical is released under immense torture and pain. Regarding how the image was formed two scientists ( can't remember their names) theorised that the image was formed by light shinning from inside the body from every angle equivalent of around several billion watts for around a millisecond, whilst at the same time the cloth was sinking into the body, muscles, bones etc whilst the body was bilocating so to speak, as on the shroud it also provides an x-ray image showing bones, teeth and nails... the reading of several billion watts is also similar to readings found on an electromagnetic read from inside the alleged tomb of Christ. These are just tips of the ice berg when it comes to what scientists have found.
Scientific experiments won't be "theorised" until the hypothesis has been proven. At the moment, they're only making hypothetical questions and trying to answer them using science. Even if the shroud is authentic. There are contradictions in the Bible. With the Gospels of John. Then they would have to prove that the shrouds were indeed from a man in the Middle East around the time of Jesus
It's said that the event horizon or light coming out the body at the intensity of several billion watts of light energy without the heat was at 1/40 billionth of a second. Instantaneous pretty much.
I was disappointed in 88 at the findings. But later discovered that. The coroners of the clot had been repaired in later dates. And that was what was carbon dated.
Hey Cameron, it’s Spero from RF. haven’t been to that site in a long time, but I’m checking out a lot of your stuff..great content, btw. I’m still enamored by the shroud, and the more I’ve been looking into it, the more my confidence in its authenticity increases. Keep up the great work with your channel.
I really wish you had asked your guest to steel man the opposing argument against his claims/what it would take for him to not believe in the burial clothes authenticity. Still on the fence about it. I always find an argument more compelling when they point to the way to disprove there theory.
@@mkl2237 Not just the blood! There are _at least_ 120 points of congruity between the Shroud and the Sudarium. 100% proof that they both once were on the body of the same man. And this same man, of course, is Jesus.
@@beverlyhurd8556 love it. Thank you! So while I do know a lot about the shroud… I don’t know a fraction as much abkut the Sudarium. You have me very interested to go deeper. If it’s not too much trouble: so you have any particular resources (book, person/researcher/author, or video) that younreally like ??? I can always do my own homework but if it’s not too much trouble: you seem to know way more than I do so I’d value your guidance to learn more….
@@mkl2237 Nope. While I have read a couple of books on the Shroud, what I have learned about the Sudarium is what I have learned here on UA-cam. While not quite as fascinating as the Shroud itself, the very fact that it too once wrapped the body (or at least his head) of our Lord Jesus makes it incredibly priceless in so many ways.
@@beverlyhurd8556 thank you. Knowing there’s that many points of connection… I’m now eager to learn more about it. Huge favor and blessing you shared. Thank you!
There’s been evidence that shows the portion they carbon dated was done on patch work that was done in mediaeval times (likely fire damage). And retesting landed it during the time of Christ.
Too bad this wasn’t a much longer discussion as the Shroud is a fascinating relic. I’m familiar with most of the original Carbon dating test issues, though I must have forgotten about them “averaging out” the years. Even if the carbon dating is sketchy, I think the dirt and pollen give a better support for its authenticity. Not only due to the location of where the material is found, but I believe the stuff was imbedded in the fibers. So the dirt and pollen wouldn’t be something one just casually rubs on, but have to go through the whole processes of falling and getting wrapped up in the clothes. Which seems pretty extreme for a hoaxer to do. Good interview skills, Cameron 😁
Yes! They given permission to re-test the carbon dating after a discovery by two professors. The section originally tested was repaired by nuns 4-500 years ago. It surprises that he isn't aware of this fact as someone who studies the shroud professionally. Instead they're trying to make sense of misinformation.
The best "counter experts" are members of the gay communtiy and have an agenda against the Shroud because they do not like the Catholic Church (for obvious reasons.) See Hugh Farey, Andrea Nicolotti, Andrew Casper, and the UA-cam VLOGS of "Reason to Doubt." They are all pretty much off the wall and in denial of the scientific, historical, and forensic evidence. So, Andrew, what is your agenda?
What is the difference between a two dimensional, like a flat surface, and three dimensional, like a spherical surface, shape? When you flatten a three dimensional shape , like a head or body, into a flat two dimensional shape like the shroud, you have to account for spherical excess. The shroud does not reflect spherical excess, it is a two dimensional shape, like a painting. You do not need the shroud to test that it’s not an imprint of a body. You can test this yourself at home. I have: cover your face in face paint. Lie down and place a white cloth over your face and gently mould it to your face so that it contacts the contours of your face. Carefully remove it. Stretch it flat like the shroud. You will note that the image is distorted and looks nothing like you. That’s because you have taken a spherical image and flattened it. You have to account not just for the front of your face, but also the sides. Also, your forehead is not flat, and we have protrusions called nose and mouth, which also has to be accounted for. Even if the shroud was a burial cloth, how do we know it was Jesus’s burial cloth? There is no chain of custody from the tomb to its appearance in the 13th or 14th century.
You have not studied anything at all about the Shroud, have you? How the fabric, the pollen and dirt on it at date to Biblical days of Jerusalem? All they have proven was that it contained a body that was beaten like Jesus was, scourged like Jesus was, was crucified like Jesus was AND wore a cap of thorns (only Jesus in recorded history was crucified wearing one of those) like Jesus was. To those of us that are blessed with better than average intelligence that spells it out quite clearly. And the thousands of manhours of research do a fine job at showing who was on the Shroud as well.
You have fundamentally misunderstood how the science proposes the image was made. May I respectfully ask that you watch some of the other analysis of the shroud scientific analysis. They cover your objection. All I will say in support of your view is that the blood that appears to be in the hair of Jesus is actually from his cheek where the cloth touched his face. It shows the cloth was away from the body when the photographic projection was made. The image is a photographic negative image.
You also wanna know what's the width of 200-500nm? Ultraviolet radiation. These wavelengths are important to know when etching silicone chips in the 90's, as you are limited to the size of transistors you use by the wavelength of the radiation you use. Of course now we use more specialized techniques by firing particles at chips for tens of nanometer sizes. But I bring up the point to describe that the staining might have only been possible by exposure to radiation, as it's in a very specific depth of absorption.
This shroud is a great gift from our Lord Jesus to us specifically in these times, as science worshippers try to disprove the Resurrection. Yet the more science they throw at it, the more authentic it is proven to be.
my favourite evidence for the shroud's authenticity is the "light-burned" image quality. Jesus is the light of the world, and what better way to mark his divinity (and impending resurrection) than to literally laser-burn his features into his own shroud?
"The linen cloths which lay seperate from the face cloth"...but the shroud is one large piece. Am I missing something here or does this completely contradict the authentication of the shroud?
You're not missing anything. The fact that this cloth exists in a single piece completely contradicts John's account. The pro-shroud ppl know this, so now they're making up stories about how there is another cloth that's supposedly out there somewhere. The "Shroud" is just a fake relic.
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In true Christianity faith is greater than " fact", as the Risen Lord told Thomas. But the Shroud of Turin is a miraculous witness nonetheless. And it perfectly fits the Gospel Narrative. This amazing relic has been supernaturally preserved for the modern "Doubting Thomases" of Our precious Brotherhood of true Born Again From Above Believers. Faith is the "substance" of things hoped for, the "evidence" of things not seen. The Shroud ot of Turin is the substance, ancient linen cloth, that is seen, the tangible evidence of a real event in His Story of True Faith. It is living proof of the Way, the Truth and The Life of Jesus Christ the Son of God, the Saviour of the world! I have not seen The Risen Christ, but I have seen where He laid in the tomb, wrapped front and back by this piece of cloth. I have no doubts in the shroud or the Resurrection, Ascension, or The Second Coming! Amen.
I tend to lean toward skepticism when it comes to relics like the Shroud, but with all the recent findings coming out, I can honestly say that my confidence level is very high for this being the real deal. Never thought I would say that a few years ago.
On his podcast, Father Carlos Martins, exorcist, said that a priest gave him a tiny strand from the shroud. He did not know for fact if the string was authentic but he assumed so. When he had a really terrible possession case that was very difficult and nothing was progressing, he pulled out the envelope with the strand of the shroud. The demon of the possessed person immediately became quiet,subdued, and it positioned the person's body to match the image on the shroud (crossed wrists etc) and if I recall, he said it was whimpering. Father knew then the strand was authentic.
@@MWroses Conferring authenticity because of only one single event wherein random chance is a viably huge factor is not only bad science but is also akin to jumping a twenty-foot chasm in two ten-foot leaps.
It’s already been proven to be impossible to replicate with any man made technology.
@@Metanoia000 Really? Then how come it has been replicated with a very simple method over a decade ago in 2009.?
If you still haven't heard of it 14 years later, I have to assume you don't want to know, but for those who do want to know the truth of it, just google the name of Luigi Garlaschelli, the professor of Organic Chemistry in Italy, who reproduced the shroud to the most minute detail.
At any rate, what has been proven is that shroud is a fake first mentioned and displayed in the early 14th century. The fact the carbon dating confirmed that date should be enough for anyone even remotely rational.
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Hey Cameron, I have only made it through the intro so far and am looking forward to finishing the interview but I just want to say that I already notice a huge difference in the quality of production. I think moving away from live interviews and into pre recorded interviews was a great idea for the channel and looking forward to future uploads!
This priest and his information on the shroud is amazing. Thank you for posting this.
It's a fake.
@@dominicpardo4783 yes but to all catholics it's real lo. So gullible bunch aren't they mate lol james
It is fake and he is being dishonest. For example at around 9-10 minutes in when he is talking about Peter at the empty tomb and the author uses 3 different words. No competent writer will use repetitive words if they can avoid it. I learned this in like 3rd grade when they taught us about dictionaries and thesauruses.
This catholic priest absolutely knows this too. I guarantee it... These men, all catholic priests are trained in deceptive arts, rhetoric... None of them even believe in Jesus or the Bible. If they did they would not pray to Mary and her statues. It's a big scam. Come out of her.
@@jamesfitzpatrick9869 There's a million-dollar challenge to who can replicate the Shroud of Turin, perhaps you can gather all the artists and scientists in the world so they can get that easy money.
When his body resurrected, it glowed so bright it left a photograph on the linen
Just like a photo negative, yes.
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That's it
God is amazing
Who knew crucifixion would stretch the arms so much?
What? How stupid !!
this format is so much better. editing is perfect because all the dead stuff is gone. this interview deserves a part 2 in discussing the details and putting the shroud and the sudarium of oviedo under a criminological assessment, preferably by j. warner wallace. the points of coincidence of the two pieces of evidence have not undergone a criminological evaluation and taken together can only point to covering the same individual: Jesus of Nazareth
There's a movie coming out in Nov. that does this with the Shroud (I don't know if the sudarium is included).
Fantastic work Cameron. The editing and pacing on these interviews are great. Your effort is noticed and appreciated! I continue to pray that this transition for your channel is successful.
Totally agree! Really great editing! Not something that I’ve really seen anyone else do, with the cutting, adding the text like you did, etc. Very well done.
@robertstephenson6806 Not sure how you conclude the truth of (1).
(2) While there does seem to be tension between the idea of a face-cloth and the image on the shroud, this is not conclusive evidence. It is evidence, but I'm not confident in our ability to know precisely what the nature of the face-cloth is at this point. Perhaps there is a way to reconcile the two. I'm sure shroud scholars have looked into the question and have presented some alternatives. One would need to interact with their work before declaring the evidence was conclusive.
(3) This seems the weakest of your arguments. Reconstructing the features of the man of the shroud is not nearly precise enough to tell us how attractive he was, how good his posture was, whether he had a lazy eye, if he had yellow teeth, or many other things.
Next on to addressing rampant sexual abuse in the catholic church
Say the claims are 100% proven to be real. So what? What does that do for you? What difference does that make? See you think there is some superpower to be had by holding a physical object. Do you know how God defines faith? The substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN. This is fleshy carnal filthy degeneracy. You keep thinking that if I can see it and touch it that brings some great power. That it somehow strengthens faith. Your foolish and understand nothing about the kingdom of God. Your flesh is stuck in the kingdom of heaven. It's a mental disorder at the least. The CAT-holics claimed to have Jesus' baby linen. Why you'd keep a dirty diaper for 2000 years idk. Claimed to have John the Baptist head and some of Mary's breast milk. Ya have to be mentally sick. What does do it? Absolutely nothing, just a perversion and distraction from the one thing undeniably that is from God. All scripture is given by inspiration of God. The superior and pure words of God found in the authorized KJV.
Just a little friendly constructive criticism, I think it would be good to eliminate using the word "like" as preface to an idea or example.
Thomas Aquinas: “For those with faith, no evidence is necessary; for those without it, no evidence will suffice.”
Indeed! That is exactly how I always felt in my heart + spirit abt The Shroud.
Fact!
I knew the first part but the second part is a really good point
I was not a believer before I saw enough evidence to convince me that Jesus really is the Son of God. There are people that can be convinced with decent evidence, but what you said is still true for a good percentage of people.
He was also a Catholic lol. The same Catholic church which has refused to declare the Shroud a miracle despite overwhelming scientific evidence in support of it. The same Catholic Church which has declared Jews and Muslims will enter the Kingdom without accepting Christ because they are "good people". That Catholic church which Aquinas declared the p;apal head of to be God's mouthpiece on Earth....
Yeah, your source exerts no influence amongst those who know.
Just looked into it. Apparently, the carbon dating that was conducted the first time was flawed. A new non-destructive test via Wide-Angle X-Ray Scattering was conducted, which dates it back to the 1st century AD, and the blood remains shows high levels of bilirubin (this is released by the liver), which is consistent of someone who was tortured. Not only that, but apparently the only way for the image to have appeared the way it has, is through electromagnetic radiation, which increases carbon 14! So because the original researchers that did the initial carbon dating failed to factor this in, they got faulty results with respect to the date to which the shroud dates back. This is fascinating information.
If we cannot duplicate the shroud with the technology we have today, and if no other shroud has ever been found like this......Then it has to be real!
Exactly! Why is that so hard for some (have to be low IQ) people to understand?
Let us trust THE eyewitness. The regarding verses of John should clearly show that the Shroud of Turin is not in conformity with his gospel because there are more than one artifacts in question. Remember that Peter and John were in the tomb and it is out of discussion that it was the same John who wrote the gospel:
John 20:6+7
Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the LINEN CLOTHS [plural] lying there, and the FACE CLOTH [singular], which had been on Jesus' head, not lying WITH the LINEN CLOTHS [plural] but folded up in a place by itself.
And there has to be a comparing view on how Jews were buried at that time although all steps happend after Christs' death were done in a hurry and it is therefore maybe not comparable 100 % with the standard e.g. the story of Lazarus:
John 11:44
The man who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with LINEN STRIPS [plural], and his face wrapped with A CLOTH. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”
But if we would refer to this standard then it debunks the authenticity of the shroud even better than John 20:6+7.
And please do not rely on UA-cam only. Once you are viewing something like that you are in video bubble where similar videos are proposed to keep you as long as possible watching.
@@wipo3654 You could use a _lot_ Bible study as well as Shroud study.
Those of us that have _actually studied_ *both* the Bible as well as the Shroud know that the face cloth is in Spain today where it has been for the last 1400 years. It is known as the Sudarium of Oviedo.
And no, Jesus was *not* wrapped up like King Tut. Funny how some people are that silly to think so.
. 1. 'And Joseph bought a linen *shroud,* and taking him down, wrapped him in the linen *shroud* [Mark 15:46] 2. 'And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen *shroud'* [Matthew 27:59] 3. 'Then he took it down and wrapped it in a linen *shroud'* [Luke 23:53] Each of the synoptic Gospels mention Joseph of Arimathea making use of a single linen cloth to wrap the body of Jesus for burial. The Word 'Sindon' (singular noun ) means 'A clean sheet' and the Word 'Othonion' (plural noun) means 'bandages'. Luke uses the same plural noun (Othonion), “funeral linens,” in his account of the Resurrection (Luke 24: 12) after earlier speaking of the singular burial cloth (Sindon) or *shroud* (Luke 23 :53) . This plural noun mentioned in (Luke 24: 12) is intended to include all the funeral elements such as : 1) A long *shroud( - It's used to wrap whole body 2)A face cloth or 'Soudarion' - It's not used to wrap whole head but to wipe the perspiration from one’s face. The Greek word 'Soudarion' was derived from a Latin word for “sweat.” 3)A few stripes of linen - They help to tie a shroud around a body The Fourth Gospel never mentions such a 'Sindon'. Instead, John writes of Joseph and Nicodemus “binding the body of Jesus in strips of linen” The verb 'Binding' ( δέω) is frequently found in the context of binding a prisoner with chains. (Mark 5.3; 6.17; Acts 12.6; 21.33) John uses the same verb in Revelation for the 'binding' of the dragon (Rev 20: 2)
Those "strips" were there to hold the body in place during rigor, as well as to secure the Shroud to his body. Duh!
And who out there is dumb enough to believe _anything_ from Wikipedia? Wikipedia is an anti-religious, anti-Christian business with political answers based on personal bias. You should doubt almost everything they write on contentious issues. Same with Snopes kids.
All intelligent people that have spend even a couple for hours studying the Bible and the Shroud _know_ that is is no fake.
. It was *proven* by many dozens of doctors, scientists, archeologists, and other highly trained researchers and their _tens of thousands of hours_ of examination that the Shroud *most definitely* wrapped the body of a severely beaten, scourged and crucified man that was wearing a crown or cap of thorns before he died. *PROVEN.* Only an imbecile would be dumb enough to think that this was someone other than our Lord Jesus.
@@wipo3654The face cloth was probably the Sudarium of Oviedo. The blood stains on the Sudarium match those on the Shroud in over 100 places, meaning that they were almost certainly used on the same person, even though the Sudarium has been in Spain since the 7th century.
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Thanks for statement. Tell me please your reliable sources that the sudarium matches with the shroud. I only know the controversy of the sudarium on Wikipedia and there is also mentioned that it covered a man with a squeezed nose.
Apart from this occupy yourself with the burial tradition of jews 2000 years ago. Compare this info with the gospels. I am still of the opinion that the body of Jesus was wrapped with linen strips in the same way as Lazarus. And Lazarus could come out of the tomb on his own. This would be impossible beeing wrapped in one piece of textile.
The gospel of John clearly mentioned that Jesus was buried according to the tradition at that time. And remember that Joseph and Nikodemus were rich people so we have to consider also this.
Keep me updated when you have significant findings indicating verifiable sources. Thanks.
I have heard Fathers talk multiple times..
Yet here I am listening again.
I do believe that this is our Lords burial cloth.
There is overwhelming evidence to prove it so...and zero to prove it fake!
Thank you Jesus for this cloth and for what you did for us on the Cross!
“Zero evidence to prove it fake “. Except for radiometric dating, and spherical excess. In any event those making the claim have the burden of proof.
Anyone who believes there is enough evidence to conclude the cloth is real but evolution is fake, is suffering bias.
Take a deeper look into the radiometric dating. I was a big skeptic before too
@@RichardTavilla I have. The argument is that the sample taken was from the repaired part of the shroud. However, professor Michael Tite, who supervised the testing process, points out that two textile experts were present to ensure that the sample was from the un-repaired part of the shroud.
What is interesting is that the Catholic Church has never claimed the church is genuine.
The carbon dating of the shroud places it around the time the shroud appears in history.
Even if the shroud dated to the first century, there is no evidence that it was Christ’s burial shroud. Many people were crucified in the first century. There is no chain of custody for the shroud.
If a body was wrapped in the shroud, when you flattened the shroud the image would be distorted because of spherical excess caused by projecting a three dimensional image onto a two dimensional surface.
The evidence for the shroud would be inadmissible in a court of law. It would have problems at an auction as it lacks provenance.
@@RichardTavilla paragraph two: that should read Shroud, not church, is not genuine.
I am not one who holds to relics, AT ALL!! But after doing a deep dive into the shroud I am convinced this is the burial cloth of Jesus. If it happens not to be, doesn’t impact my trust in Jesus. But I do believe it to be genuine
You didn't read your bible. If you did you would know that this was not Christ.
@@swathdiver489who is it?
@@swathdiver489thanks for stating that without explaining anything. Like I said, if it’s not His it doesn’t impact my faith in Him. But from what I’ve learned about it, it lines up with the biblical and historical accounts. To say “you haven’t read your bible” just seems like an attempt to pick a fight with no evidence to back it up. I’ll wait….
Swathdiver will probably pull out a passage of the “strips of linen” from John 20:1-18. Thing is, the shroud has a strip of linen attached to the side of it (just google image it) other documentaries state that part was sown back to the shroud. Theory is it was really the strip that binded the body together from the outside (and also caused the image disruption close to the neck). The face cloth hasn’t been found (could be the Oviedo cloth, google it). So the passage doesn’t invalidade the shroud, people just assume that, for some reason, if we have just the shroud, then that’s the only thing used in the burial.
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Great video! The Father with you is a wealth of knowledge on the Shroud. Very interesting and so many good points made by him. May God bless you both 🙏
It was through the Shroud that the Holy Spirit reached me. Thank you for posting.
LMAO time-wise that thing is closer to Joseph Smith than Jesus. You might as well turn Mormon ....
Jesus was not put in a tomb. He was thrown in a mass grave and his body was lost to history. The shroud had nothing to do with Jesus.
It would take a greater leap of faith to disbelieve the Shroud in light of all the evidence. For starters, a 14th century artist would have to create something we are unable to create today, with artistic means that were never again used. And they would have to create the image as a photographic negative without knowing anything of photography.
There is a greater likelihood the dating analysis was incorrect, especially given that the institution that did the carbon dating no longer stands behind their conclusions.
Peace be with you.
No he didn't. The shroud is not of Christ, read your bible.
@perfectblindguy it is well documented Jesus's body was put in the Tomb of Joseph of Arimethea
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I have been so obsessed for years and can’t get enough of any info on the shroud!! I work in the medical field and how all the science and evidence is there!! I believe God has revealed his Son for such a time as this!!I’ve been a believer of Christ since childhood and having the technology now to zone in to study the shroud is wonderful!and to think that the crown of thorns was done as an afterthought ( not really) so God knew that this would be a no doubt. It would be easy to say it was just a regular Roman crucifixion because they are found other people and remains with similar nails in the feet, etc. but the only one in all of history had a crown of thorns. Also, Roman soldiers knew exactly how many lashes with the whip, that would kill a man and when to stop and the lashes with the whip with that metal matches the scars on his back. I am so passionate about the shroud. There’s no doubt in my mind that is Jesus burial cloth. This is a wonderful presentation. Thank you so much!
Absolutly correct, the science supports the scriptures. From the blood, the surging from a Roman whip, the Wound in the side, the crown of thorns, the pollen, fabric and the style of weave in the shroud are from the period of Christ, the evidence of Roman coins from the period of Christ, and much more. This is the one true shroud!
@@StevenRAssmann-tb7ty It's dirty old rag.
Let us trust THE eyewitness. The regarding verses of John should clearly show that the Shroud of Turin is not in conformity with his gospel because there are more than one artifacts in question. Remember that Peter and John were in the tomb and it is out of discussion that it was the same John who wrote the gospel:
John 19:39+40
Nicodemus also, who earlier had come to Jesus by night, came bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [about 32 kg] in weight. So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in LINEN CLOTHES [plural] with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews.
John 20:6+7
Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the LINEN CLOTHS [plural] lying there, and the FACE CLOTH [singular], which had been on Jesus' head, not lying WITH the LINEN CLOTHS [plural] but folded up in a place by itself.
And there has to be a comparing view on how Jews were buried at that time although all steps happend after Christs' death were done in a hurry and it is therefore maybe not comparable 100 % with the standard e.g. the story of Lazarus:
John 11:44
The man who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with LINEN STRIPS [plural], and his face wrapped with A CLOTH. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”
But if we would refer to this standard then it debunks the authenticity of the shroud even better than John 20:6+7.
And please do not rely on UA-cam only. Once you are viewing something like that you are in video bubble where similar videos are proposed to keep you as long as possible watching. I find it very helpful to read at least the regarding articles on Wikipedia:
#Shroud of Turin
#Sudarium of Oviedo
There you can read the whole controversy with PROS and CONS and indicated sources.
(please apologise my German thinking English - thanks)
@@wipo3654 Hello nice posting.
It reminded me how I heard, the "swaddling cloths" that baby Jesus was wrapped in. Is strips of fabric, same like they traditionally wrap the dead in.
That his birth was like a funeral and he was even born in a cave like a tomb.
I have always been a hardcore skeptic of religion, but I have no way to deny the evidence of the shroud, its crazy
@@realnametba2 then you don't know what a sceptic is. Just by looking at the thing you can tell it's hilariously fake. And every time someone non-biased has examined it, it has been deemed a fake.
I'd say you're a religous clown disguised as a sceptic. No sale.
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By far one of the most interesting vids i've watched on this topic. Would love more historical forms of video/commentary as a form of apologetics. Prayers for you, your family, and your channel.
Independent of the thrilling content, I just wanted to commend you on your change in production style. This is a grand improvement, gripping, concise and engaging. Wonderful to see God's work with this channel.
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This is awesome! His talk moved me to share about the Shroud with my community in Portuguese.
I heard him 3 hours on thisnon Pints of Aquinas a few months ago. Very interesting stuff indeed.
I did also, actually enjoyed the Pints with Aquinas better because it goes in to so much better detail.
The Greek words mentioned "οθονια" (othonia)11:50 is the one in Luke 24:12. He's right, it's plural. σινδονα (sindona) is the word from Mark15:46 where Joseph of Arimathea buys cloth to wrap Jesus's body. It's singular. He's right, there's a shroud and something plural that contextually looks more like strips.
Look up Sudarium of Oviedo.
Plus the sudarium, the side of the burial cloth was torn off to bind the burial cloth and was later sewn back onto the body of the shroud.
This relic has x-ray qualities on the cloth. We know that the outer fibers are oxidized to form the image. It’s like a negative like film. It’s basically and X-ray because you can see the arm, underneath the arm. Certainly it can only be due to a strong burst of radiation coming from the body. It could not be faked in that era. The injuries where exactly what was described in the Bible. The AB blood type is another give away. It’s rare in the population with one exception. Jews in northern Israel have this blood type in far greater numbers. The only person that I ever knew with this blood type was a friend of mine who is half Jewish. Those two facts stood out giveaways as to what this is: x-ray image and AB blood type. Furthermore, the face cloth in Spain also has AB blood type and the odds of that coincidence are too unlikely for it to be coincidence. For both to have the same blood type by chance would be .02 x .02.
We all know what this is.
Nonsense?
@@andrewholdaway813 Narc?
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Gibberish?
@@andrewholdaway813 I think you can ask a better question.
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A better question? Than what?
Production quality is next level, God bless you brother, keep up the good work
Even the most non religious person must realize that the staggering amount of detail on this cloth is just to inconceivable that any artist or forger could have ever created such a masterpiece. Everyone should also be aware that the carbon dating sample or area,Where the samples were taken.The area chosen just happened to be a woven medieval repair that was cleverly spliced into the linen fabric and then died to match the rest! The swatches were cotton threads & the shroud is created by using linen fibers! That shoots your carbon dating down.The pollen & the stone dust tell the real story.
You are wrong
@@andrewholdaway813Classic anonymous moron on UA-cam saying someone is wrong without using any sources to back up his claim.
What exactly about the Shroud has anything to do with religion? Assuming it's authentically a real death burial shroud from the correct period and place we still have absolutely 0 reason to think it was specifically Jesus' shroud.
And even if it were 100% confirmed to belong to Jesus who cares? It wouldn't prove anything supernatural in the slightest.
Since we're talking about details in the 'masterpiece', it's fair to point out that that's not the face of someone merely 33 years of age. Remember, Jesus died young, barely past his 20's. The image on the shroud looks like a very old man.
@@skydriver5709 I mean the life expectancy in first century Judea might not have been great. Jesus was living in the wilderness with twelve other dudes so for him 33 was the new 66 😂
John 20:28-29
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Glory to Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
Father Dalton has provided a truly wonderful exposition of so many facets of the Shroud, with clarity and great good sense. Thank you!
Great editing and flow, Cameron! I love the new direction of the channel. Hopefully it’s fruitful.
Another thing to remember is that I believe in 2005 the protective backing of the Shroud had to be removed, revealing some of the original weave never seen before. The weave has only been found in one place: Masada, Israel, before AD 70.
Yeah the fishbone weave can only be done during 1st century Israel which rich people only can posses. And Joseph of aramithea is a rich Pharisee who donated it to wrap Jesus.
I could have kept listening.. this was amazing fthr Dalton is wonderful to listen to and you as host was just as brilliant, definitely will watch for more , thank you 😊
Praised be Jesus Christ, now and forever!
I always had a theory that GOD left enough to believe and just enough to doubt anything and this lovely priest has basically confirmed that theory....and I believe that the Shroud is authentic and the carbon dating token fro a medieval repair later dust particles,pollen and other impurities would dilute the years of the carbon dating
Happy new year brothers and sisters
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A happy year it is! Glory be to The Risen Jesus
He has given us ample evidence, even this wicked generation. Our God is glorious. Gloria in excelsis Deo and Ave Maria. ❤🙏
God is a delusion. This guy will spend his whole life being deluded.
Hi
Worship ONLY GOD!
Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua returning soon to reign over His Creation from Jerusalem forever.
yes the soil. i love that part. with the pollen that is found in jerusalem
Yeah, I saw some very interesting results come out on the Shroud a few years ago that completely changed my view on it.
I remember when that study came out and said the Shroud was a fake. My first thought was they got something wrong. Never did I consider this relic to be fake. Father Dalton is incredible when discussing this.
Ditto. I NEVER believed it was fake. I KNEW + have ALWAYS known in my spirit -- that the Shroud is REAL -- that the image IS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST -- that the emanating rays, if u will, coming from Jesus' image on the cloth are the NRG markings left by his body RISING FROM THE DEAD.
I have ALWAYS BELIEVED + WILL ALWAYS. 🙌 ✝️ 🙌
Correct, we don't have the technology to impart the 3-D image on the top linen fibers, which is a 2-D surface. We can be certain that medieval artists did not know how to do this either.
@@debrahouston2884 According to John's Gospel, a full length shroud was never found in the empty tomb. All that was seen were the linen strips to wrap and bind the body and the face cloth. THERE WAS NEVER ANY SHROUD that covered the face. A lot of Christians who accept the Turin Shroud as genuine need to reread the various gospel accounts. They will discover that the "shroud" translation/scenario is a complete misrepresentation.
@@les2997 Yes, we do. And yes, some of them did, because it was not painted but created by projecting the image of a corpse with the aid of a camera obscura (known to Leonardo da Vinci and no doubt others) onto a genuine burial cloth brought by by a pilgrim from the Holy Land and smeared with a photo-sensitive chemical.
This is a great interview. Fr Dalton is very knowledgable and authoritative. I'd never paid attention to the verses in scripture about the clothing before but I went back and looked and it's really compelling.
Now we have a face to the Person we reject or sin against. I'm biased as a believer, but the Holy Face on the Shroud moves me and compels my attention. I can't put it into words.
On his podcast, Father Carlos Martins, exorcist, said that a priest gave him a tiny strand from the shroud. He did not know for fact if the string was authentic but he assumed so. When he had a really terrible possession case that was very difficult and nothing was progressing, he pulled out the envelope with the strand of the shroud. The demon of the possessed person immediately became quiet,subdued, and it positioned the person's body to match the image on the shroud (crossed wrists etc) and if I recall, he said it was whimpering. Father knew then the strand was authentic.
On his podcast, Father Carlos Martins, exorcist, said that a priest gave him a tiny strand from the shroud. He did not know for fact if the string was authentic but he assumed so. When he had a really terrible possession case that was very difficult and nothing was progressing, he pulled out the envelope with the strand of the shroud. The demon of the possessed person immediately became quiet,subdued, and it positioned the person's body to match the image on the shroud (crossed wrists etc) and if I recall, he said it was whimpering. Father knew then the strand was authentic.
Yeah right
The demon knew the shroud was real because it carried out a DNA test.
Hello my friend, very interesting I’m a Catholic and enjoy very much listening to father Carlos and others do you have a link of where this pod cast can be found please
@@heyitsedz1785It is called The Excorcist Files.
Spotify. The Exorcist files.
A miraculous incident, and it is my obligation to say it and others have the right to know,I am from Qatar, and I saw the image of the Jesus Christ on the ceiling of my room, where He manifested April 2016 His face is a little long, white and beautiful, light beard, head hair lies on top shoulders. The eyes are sharp, and beautiful features resemble the people of the Middle East, The picture was very super clear, which astonished and surprised me. At first I was asleep and suddenly woke up to bear witness to the situation,I thought there is some likeness in the very slight of my friend , but a quick inspiration came to me. He is Jesus , all of this took a few seconds was enough, I don't know how the disappearance happened after the vision. It happened once hence what in my real scene i only with no hesitation to say this the Christ looks other than this i do not know.. Translate Arabic to English using Google,
Thank you both. Loved this video of the Shroud! Would appreciate more on this fascinating topic from yourself and Fr Andrew. God bless you both🙏
2 Corinthians 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 Corinthians 4:18
While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Glory to Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
While I’m Baptist, and in Baptist Seminary now studying ministry, I found this to be an incredible talk. I love to hear this guy’s passion for truth. Clearly he loves his Savior. Bless you!
Would you be able to discuss this in your seminary please?
And maybe there is an expert who has veryfiable sources to compare it with the burial custom mentioned in the gospel of John:
John 11:44
The man [Lazarus] who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with LINEN STRIPS [plural], and his face wrapped with A CLOTH. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”
John 19:39+40
Nicodemus also, who earlier had come to Jesus by night, came bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [about 32 kg] in weight. So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in LINEN CLOTHES [plural] with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews.
John 20:6+7
Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the LINEN CLOTHS [plural] lying there, and the FACE CLOTH [singular], which had been on Jesus' head, not lying WITH the LINEN CLOTHS [plural] but folded up in a place by itself.
In the middle of it and just wanted to say, it's fantastic! Great guest, great video. Love the way you are headed.
Thank you for this. I went to Turin with the intention of defending the faith but I dunno where to start. I learned a lot.
It can't be denied anymore. It is good to be skeptical about things. It males It that more special when something is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Great interview and production quality. I’ve been waiting for this for so long!
Excellent work, Cameron. Thanks for all you do :)
Finally!! Been waiting for this video since it was teased @ Pints channel. Thank you for this, Cam! You're the best.
Btw, the editing is gold.
Praise and thanksgiving to God for our priests who teach us thier studies and the Way to heaven.
Very well done video and great explanation. Thks
Love your channel!!!
The fact that the Linen was folded has a meaning.... At mealtime, whenever someone got up and left the table, they would fold their 'napkin' or Supper Cloth, signifying that they were returning.
Just a bit of historical reference.
There is NO biblical evidence that the body of Jesus was covered with a linen sheet. The gospel of John states explicitly that several lines strips (used for binding the hands and legs) and a face cloth were found lying separately in the empty tomb. NO SHROUD. This is convincing evidence that the Turin Shroud was hoaxed.
In case people are unaware, there is a documentary coming out in theaters in Nov. It uses crine-solving techniques to get to the truth of the matter. It's called The Shroud: Face to Face.
I've seen the shroud and stood less than 20 feet from it. Probably the most moving experience of my life. I have no doubt of its authenticity.
There's been many videos lately about the shroud of Turin, this one has shown evidence I didn't know before. Such as the if the image was a fake that an artist painted, the blood had to be painted before the image of Jesus was painted. I feel that the fact that it was a negative when photographed is one of the best pieces of evidence. The flash of light had to be so immense to produce the negative. Something no avaliable until around 1836. Great video, thank-you.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of the absence of knowledge about photography. Leonardo da Vinci did experiments with a camera obscura, and his alchemical knowledge might have included that of photo-sensitive chemicals. You don't need a bright flash of light to create the image on the Turin Shroud, just a camera obscura working on a well-lit corpse, projecting its image onto a genuine burial cloth brought back from the Holy Land by a pilgrim and covered in a solution of some photo-sensitive chemical that might have been known to alchemists of the day. You cannot rule out a possibility simply for want of any evidence.
Great interview. It strengthened my faith in Jesus.
Fr. Andrew Dalton is so inspired to teach the truth about the Shroud do passionately. I thoroughly enjoyed his presentation and will seek his others.
This talk is like eating a juicy steak: perfectly seasoned, perfectly prepared, and I am consuming it one little delicious piece at a time! I am enjoying this video so much!
Glory To The Triune GOD
This is without a doubt the best shroud video I've seen and I've seen many. You deserve many, many more views.
Jesus' shroud is the single most valuable historical artifact on earth.
@@wizardofahhhs759 LMAO it's a fake, silly buns
Nonsense!
…then I saw HIS face, now, I’m a believer . Not a trace of doubt in my mind! I’m a believer, yeah, yeah, yeah! Thank you for a great program!
John 20: 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Romans 20: 17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
ALL the wonders of the world, considered together, pale in comparison to the greatest wonder God has given us. It is the only miracle that exists, is tangible, and allows us to examine it in unbelievable detail. The more we learn the greater the reality and truth. And why are we now discovering these truths that have been hidden for centuries? Thank God for the scientists able to piece this all together for us.
Fr. Dalton is maybe the top Shroud of Turin speaker out there.
He and Fr. Pasqual are both are amazing.
Fr. Pasqual heads up the Shroud Studies program at the Vatican and Fr. Dalton is his #2 man in Rome.
Blessed are those that believe without proof!
@@adamcosper3308 The gullible that think the Shroud is a fake? More like mentally ill in my opinion.
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@@adamcosper3308 "At that time Jesus answered and said: I confess to thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them to the little ones."
God loves the simple of heart, not those who have complex ways of justifying their being in resistance to God.
"God resists the proud."
He allows them to believe that they 'evolved' from literal mud, yet deny evidence like the shroud, for example.
I think these days the more scientific evidence the better for those raised without faith.
@@themobbit9061 Science has _proven_ that the Shroud once contained the body of a man that was horribly beaten, savagely scourged, and then crucified wearing a cap of thorns. And it has been dated to the 1st century. What kind of moron does it take to think that this was _not_ the burial shroud of our Lord Jesus?
One of the most moving accounts of the veneration of relics is that of the very body of Christ itself. Rather than leaving his body on the cross, to be taken down and disposed of by the Romans (as was the customary practice), Joseph of Arimathea courageously interceded with Pilate for Christ’s body (Mark 15:43, John 19:38). He donated his own, newly hewn tomb as Christ’s resting place (Matt. 27:60). Nicodemus came and donated over a hundred pounds of spices to wrap inside Jesus’ grave clothes (John 19:39), that amount of spices being used only for the most honored dead. And after he was buried, the women went to reverently visit the tomb (Matt. 28:1) and to further anoint Christ’s body with spices even though it had already been sealed inside the tomb (Mark 16:1, Luke 24:1). These acts of reverence were more than just the usual courtesy shown to the remains of the dead; they were special respect shown to the body of a most holy man-in this case, the holiest man who has ever lived, for he was God Incarnate.
Keep in mind what the Church says about relics. It doesn’t say there is some magical power in them. There is nothing in the relic itself, whether a bone of the apostle Peter or water from Lourdes, that has any curative ability. The Church just says that relics may be the occasion of God’s miracles, and in this the Church follows Scripture.
The use of the bones of Elisha brought a dead man to life: “So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. And as a man was being buried, lo, a marauding band was seen and the man was cast into the grave of Elisha; and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood on his feet” (2 Kgs. 13:20-21). This is an unequivocal biblical example of a miracle being performed by God through contact with the relics of a saint!
Similar are the cases of the woman cured of a hemorrhage by touching the hem of Christ’s cloak (Matt. 9:20-22) and the sick who were healed when Peter’s shadow passed over them (Acts 5:14-16). “And God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them” (Acts 19:11-12).
If these aren’t examples of the use of relics, what are? In the case of Elisha, a Lazarus-like return from the dead was brought about through the prophet’s bones. In the New Testament cases, physical things (the cloak, the shadow, handkerchiefs and aprons) were used to effect cures. There is a perfect congruity between present-day Catholic practice and ancient practice.
On his podcast, Father Carlos Martins, exorcist, said that a priest gave him a tiny strand from the shroud. He did not know for fact if the string was authentic but he assumed so. When he had a really terrible possession case that was very difficult and nothing was progressing, he pulled out the envelope with the strand of the shroud. The demon of the possessed person immediately became quiet,subdued, and it positioned the person's body to match the image on the shroud (crossed wrists etc) and if I recall, he said it was whimpering. Father knew then the strand was authentic.
Also to illustrate just how thin the image is on the fibres, it's around 2microns, A4 paper thickness is around 80 microns. There's so many facts that could've been mentioned here, like in the blood on the cloth a chemical called bilirubin which permanently makes blood red instead of turning it black, this chemical is released under immense torture and pain. Regarding how the image was formed two scientists ( can't remember their names) theorised that the image was formed by light shinning from inside the body from every angle equivalent of around several billion watts for around a millisecond, whilst at the same time the cloth was sinking into the body, muscles, bones etc whilst the body was bilocating so to speak, as on the shroud it also provides an x-ray image showing bones, teeth and nails... the reading of several billion watts is also similar to readings found on an electromagnetic read from inside the alleged tomb of Christ. These are just tips of the ice berg when it comes to what scientists have found.
Wow! I didn’t know that. That’s amazing
Interesting thank you!
Scientific experiments won't be "theorised" until the hypothesis has been proven. At the moment, they're only making hypothetical questions and trying to answer them using science.
Even if the shroud is authentic. There are contradictions in the Bible. With the Gospels of John.
Then they would have to prove that the shrouds were indeed from a man in the Middle East around the time of Jesus
It's said that the event horizon or light coming out the body at the intensity of several billion watts of light energy without the heat was at 1/40 billionth of a second. Instantaneous pretty much.
It was medieval paint on linen, dude, not "bilirubin", or billion-watt light. Scientists tested the materials years ago.
I was disappointed in 88 at the findings. But later discovered that. The coroners of the clot had been repaired in later dates. And that was what was carbon dated.
Amen to all those people who have excepted the Lord Jesus in their lifes I have and for always!
Hey Cameron, it’s Spero from RF. haven’t been to that site in a long time, but I’m checking out a lot of your stuff..great content, btw. I’m still enamored by the shroud, and the more I’ve been looking into it, the more my confidence in its authenticity increases. Keep up the great work with your channel.
I really wish you had asked your guest to steel man the opposing argument against his claims/what it would take for him to not believe in the burial clothes authenticity. Still on the fence about it. I always find an argument more compelling when they point to the way to disprove there theory.
We need to mention Sudarium of Oviedo more also. I believe this is the second cloth that is missing.
The blood matches (at least, that’s my understanding)
@@mkl2237 Not just the blood! There are _at least_ 120 points of congruity between the Shroud and the Sudarium. 100% proof that they both once were on the body of the same man. And this same man, of course, is Jesus.
@@beverlyhurd8556 love it. Thank you! So while I do know a lot about the shroud… I don’t know a fraction as much abkut the Sudarium. You have me very interested to go deeper. If it’s not too much trouble: so you have any particular resources (book, person/researcher/author, or video) that younreally like ??? I can always do my own homework but if it’s not too much trouble: you seem to know way more than I do so I’d value your guidance to learn more….
@@mkl2237 Nope. While I have read a couple of books on the Shroud, what I have learned about the Sudarium is what I have learned here on UA-cam. While not quite as fascinating as the Shroud itself, the very fact that it too once wrapped the body (or at least his head) of our Lord Jesus makes it incredibly priceless in so many ways.
@@beverlyhurd8556 thank you. Knowing there’s that many points of connection… I’m now eager to learn more about it. Huge favor and blessing you shared. Thank you!
If you like this check out the talk he does on Pints with Aquinas. It is long but oh so good.
Right you are there! So wonderful to listen to a Shroud expert like Father Andrew. Three hours just flew by.
Yes, I agree. He was able to go in to so much more detail.
There’s been evidence that shows the portion they carbon dated was done on patch work that was done in mediaeval times (likely fire damage). And retesting landed it during the time of Christ.
Wonderful presentation. TY 😊
Also the Shirt of Argenteuil has blood of the AB type. Note to that in most populations AB type is only 5% all blood
Type O is very rare
Its universal and hes the damn devil by the way
Too bad this wasn’t a much longer discussion as the Shroud is a fascinating relic. I’m familiar with most of the original Carbon dating test issues, though I must have forgotten about them “averaging out” the years. Even if the carbon dating is sketchy, I think the dirt and pollen give a better support for its authenticity.
Not only due to the location of where the material is found, but I believe the stuff was imbedded in the fibers. So the dirt and pollen wouldn’t be something one just casually rubs on, but have to go through the whole processes of falling and getting wrapped up in the clothes. Which seems pretty extreme for a hoaxer to do.
Good interview skills, Cameron 😁
He has other, longer interviews on UA-cam.
Yes! They given permission to re-test the carbon dating after a discovery by two professors. The section originally tested was repaired by nuns 4-500 years ago.
It surprises that he isn't aware of this fact as someone who studies the shroud professionally. Instead they're trying to make sense of misinformation.
Super fascinating. Love this!
Wow, no doubt about it in my mind.
I would really love to see this guy in discussion with a counter expert.
The best "counter experts" are members of the gay communtiy and have an agenda against the Shroud because they do not like the Catholic Church (for obvious reasons.)
See Hugh Farey, Andrea Nicolotti, Andrew Casper, and the UA-cam VLOGS of "Reason to Doubt." They are all pretty much off the wall and in denial of the scientific, historical, and forensic evidence.
So, Andrew, what is your agenda?
Watch the shroud debate at duke
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Not very helpful.
Who what why when is 'duke'
@@andrewholdaway813 just type the same in the UA-cam search bar geez
This priest is incredible.
He is risen. Hallelujah 🙏
What is the difference between a two dimensional, like a flat surface, and three dimensional, like a spherical surface, shape? When you flatten a three dimensional shape , like a head or body, into a flat two dimensional shape like the shroud, you have to account for spherical excess. The shroud does not reflect spherical excess, it is a two dimensional shape, like a painting.
You do not need the shroud to test that it’s not an imprint of a body. You can test this yourself at home. I have: cover your face in face paint. Lie down and place a white cloth over your face and gently mould it to your face so that it contacts the contours of your face. Carefully remove it. Stretch it flat like the shroud. You will note that the image is distorted and looks nothing like you. That’s because you have taken a spherical image and flattened it. You have to account not just for the front of your face, but also the sides. Also, your forehead is not flat, and we have protrusions called nose and mouth, which also has to be accounted for.
Even if the shroud was a burial cloth, how do we know it was Jesus’s burial cloth? There is no chain of custody from the tomb to its appearance in the 13th or 14th century.
You have not studied anything at all about the Shroud, have you? How the fabric, the pollen and dirt on it at date to Biblical days of Jerusalem? All they have proven was that it contained a body that was beaten like Jesus was, scourged like Jesus was, was crucified like Jesus was AND wore a cap of thorns (only Jesus in recorded history was crucified wearing one of those) like Jesus was. To those of us that are blessed with better than average intelligence that spells it out quite clearly. And the thousands of manhours of research do a fine job at showing who was on the Shroud as well.
You have fundamentally misunderstood how the science proposes the image was made. May I respectfully ask that you watch some of the other analysis of the shroud scientific analysis. They cover your objection. All I will say in support of your view is that the blood that appears to be in the hair of Jesus is actually from his cheek where the cloth touched his face. It shows the cloth was away from the body when the photographic projection was made. The image is a photographic negative image.
You also wanna know what's the width of 200-500nm? Ultraviolet radiation. These wavelengths are important to know when etching silicone chips in the 90's, as you are limited to the size of transistors you use by the wavelength of the radiation you use. Of course now we use more specialized techniques by firing particles at chips for tens of nanometer sizes. But I bring up the point to describe that the staining might have only been possible by exposure to radiation, as it's in a very specific depth of absorption.
This shroud is a great gift from our Lord Jesus to us specifically in these times, as science worshippers try to disprove the Resurrection. Yet the more science they throw at it, the more authentic it is proven to be.
my favourite evidence for the shroud's authenticity is the "light-burned" image quality. Jesus is the light of the world, and what better way to mark his divinity (and impending resurrection) than to literally laser-burn his features into his own shroud?
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Wow! "Light" I never thought of it that way.
Glory to the risen Jesus my Lord
Savior and healer for ever
Thanks to my brother priest for his work God bless him
"The linen cloths which lay seperate from the face cloth"...but the shroud is one large piece. Am I missing something here or does this completely contradict the authentication of the shroud?
The face cloth of Jesus is in Spain where it has been for the last 1400 years. It is known as the Sudarium of Oviedo.
You're not missing anything. The fact that this cloth exists in a single piece completely contradicts John's account. The pro-shroud ppl know this, so now they're making up stories about how there is another cloth that's supposedly out there somewhere. The "Shroud" is just a fake relic.
Blood can pasd through the face linen and mark the shroud.
We are all in a true debt to the integrity of the Scientists who could not betray the disciplined they pursued … & all blessed by a God who so loved us He sent His Son…& as The Holy Spirit reveals …the love story continues….✝️🙏🏼VIVA CHRISTO REY ‼️
& pray for the scientists who did not stay true … did not recant … 🙏🏼 🕎📖✝️
My mother, who`s name was Maria (Mary), named me Christina after she gave birth. At first I was suppose to be named Helena, but after a very difficult time of giving birth, she promissed God to name me Christina, if she and I would survive. My blood type is AB+ .
End sexual child abuse in your church
Of course. But that idea has nothing to so with the authenticity of the Shroud.
@@jeffreyerwin3665 has everything to do with the church you associate with. You are under evil and discord idol worship and the traditions of men
@@JasonThomas-d5m you do know that bearing false witness is a sin.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha truth hurts
@@JasonThomas-d5m bearing false witness is a sin. Your accusations against us are not.
I have been studying the Shroud since 1974, I believe it is authentic.
I love him! I wish this was WAY longer!
see fr dalton on pints w aquinas, they go for 3 hours
Resurrection is the most powerful event in human salvation such that God has to leave behind a symbol for all of us to see. And this will remain with us to the very end of time. Thank you Jesus for your love ❤.
I don’t need a relic to convince me. Great Pascal quote!
Jesus is Lord ♥️🙌🏼
It is absolutely authentic and the shroud of our savior Jesus Christ.
Yes, it is. No question about that. ✝
People nowadays sadly worship science that is why God gave them scientific proof of resurrection. It is our ticket to salvation.
Bruh why so short?😭😭
#Part2
We cut out some less exciting parts but we only recorded a total of 50 minutes. That’s all the time we had. Maybe we can do something longer remotely!
2 days ago?
@@Terrestrial_Biological_Entity He is probably a patron at Patreon
@@vladislavstezhko1864 makes sense...
@CapturingChristianity hey cam, any luck on getting the "alien" book out that you had some copies of?
In true Christianity faith is greater than " fact", as the Risen Lord told Thomas. But the Shroud of Turin is a miraculous witness nonetheless. And it perfectly fits the Gospel Narrative. This amazing relic has been supernaturally preserved for the modern "Doubting Thomases" of Our precious Brotherhood of true Born Again From Above Believers. Faith is the "substance" of things hoped for, the "evidence" of things not seen. The Shroud ot of Turin is the substance, ancient linen cloth, that is seen, the tangible evidence of a real event in His Story of True Faith. It is living proof of the Way, the Truth and The Life of Jesus Christ the Son of God, the Saviour of the world! I have not seen The Risen Christ, but I have seen where He laid in the tomb, wrapped front and back by this piece of cloth. I have no doubts in the shroud or the Resurrection, Ascension, or The Second Coming! Amen.
What seeing on the shroud is where the blood ran down to his wrist makes it look as if he was nailed through the wrist