The Shroud is simply a fake and to defend its' authenticity even discredits the Scripture. Jesus was wrapped in linen cloths (bandages/strips) WITH about 30 kg spices between. Explain how this could have been done with something like the Shroud. John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. John 20 5And stooping to look in, he [JOHN] saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, but he did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, 7and the face cloth [SOUDARION], which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths [OTHONION] but folded up in a place by itself. There are more details in a video presentation/description and comments when clicking icon W to the left-top of this comment.
As a child of a chemistry professor and someone who has taken two years each of general and organic chemistry, this was excellent and so insightful. Thank you!
@@EternalLife-h1x Thank you, didnt know that..Im on it...also, other non-Christian sources mentioning Jesus include Josephus (Jewish historian confirming Jesus' crucifixion), Tacitus (Roman historian verifying execution under Pilate), Pliny the Younger (Roman governor describing Christian worship), Suetonius (historian referring to disturbances linked to "Chrestus"), The Babylonian Talmud (Jewish text accusing Jesus of sorcery), Thallus (explaining crucifixion darkness as an eclipse), Lucian of Samosata (satirist mocking Christians for worshipping a crucified leader), and Celsus (critic calling Jesus a deceiver born out of wedlock).
I was able to see Dr Robert Rucker when he spoke here in Ann Arbor it was convincing but I needed no convincing as I've believed since I first learned of it. We have an amazing copy and display at our local Catholic Church where he spoke that is absolutely amazing!!!
Of all of God's miracles this is the only one that can be physically analyzed. All of His other miracles are recorded but unable to be empirically examined. Every conceived test has been performed on this linen cloth.
*The carbon dating was done on an edge of the Shroud that had been repaired during the time it dated to by the nuns that lived in the convent of the church that held the shroud during that time. They repaired it by a process called “invisible weaving”; an incredibly intricate process where you take the end of one strand of broken thread and twist the end of a new strand of the same material thread onto it, do this with all the individual threads of the broken area, and then weave the new threads into the opposite side of the fabric the broken ends used to be attached to. The Shroud had gone through a fire and the silver lining the inside of the box the Shroud was being held in had melted from the heat and dripped onto the cloth, singing the edges and the four corners where it was folded. (You can still see the eight singed areas on the shroud- they’re the oblong, equidistant darkened areas.) The nuns repaired the edges but left the burnt folds (originally corners of the folded cloth; inner areas of the cloth when unfolded) because those areas were too large and located on the inner portion of the cloth.* *The areas of the edge that were clipped for carbon dating included the fibers of this invisible weaving, which indeed would have dated to the time when the nuns repaired the cloth. That’s all the carbon dating proves. Not the original date the entire Shroud was initially woven.*
So now they say baksiez?? The Vatican didnt know the fabric was altered??? They don't know stuff that even you as a youtube commenter know? They just give the modified part to scientist? Why did they do that? Give me one explanation. And second. It has been 20-30 years and they didn't give another "non repaired by nuns" part. The fact they didn't proves without a doubt they are lying.
He IS the. LIGHT in eternity Bible. Revelation 21:23 [23]And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
I consider myself to be relatively well educated in many of the concepts discussed by Mr. Rucker. And I could not shoot any holes in his hypothesis apart from his (understandable) enthusiasm for the root cause of the VCRB event. Other than some missed analogies that may have made some of the topics more relatable (ie: resistance of wires causing heat for his electron "flow" causing only 2u depth of discoloration), I buy all of his hypothesis. I particularly like his bottom up approach to the problem, you cannot go far off track in science by following that approach. I always approach these ST shows cautiously, but Bob made a believer out of me for the VCRB hypothesis. Well done, this deserves more serious attention.
Thank you. it takes a little more to convince very smart people of its authenticity. i wasnt convinced right away. it took my own hours and months of research
@@jaynesegman7847 I also have been interested in the Shroud for many years, I remember the research group being granted physical access at the time and the ensuing media frenzy over it. I also remember the release of the first carbon dating info and the almost joyous media frenzy over that. But I was skeptical of the CD data once some very smart folk explained the potential distortions to the date caused by organic material and the sample location on the Shroud. To me, Mr. Rucker's Physics based analysis seals the deal. No doubt that this was an "extra-natural" event.
this man is legend.. what an absolutely epic opportunity to hear from such an expert with over decades of research on this sacred relic.. the technology that is now available at present seems to indicate that the undeniable truth of its authenticity to be exposed, is now.. God’s Plan and Divine Timing?!
As a nuclear tech/xray tech im amazed at possible the first xray image ever with motion shown could be the shroud. Xray film is made of silver bromide and the shroud has silver woven in? Wow Happy to hear from a nuc expert regarding this for first time ever.
This is fascinating. I know little about the physics, but can follow along well enough. It’s like the universe. We can explain a lot, but not when, where, and why did it begin.
I've been watching several studies on the shroud lately from non- theologians who are simply experts in their field, and I'm becoming more and more convinced everyday that the shroud is genuine. The fact that they have detected scourge marks that was on the body, the resting positioning of the fingers caused due to where the nails were hammered into the wrist, the positioning of the knees (indicating they were not broken as mentioned in the Bible), the way the body was wrapped while in rigor mortis. There's a ton of evidence out there for sure, and it's becoming more and more evident as these studies go along.
Start reading the Bible and use your common sense because regarding SPICES and IMAGE some STURP (Shroud of Turin Research Program 1978 to 1981) findings confirm very good that the Shroud cannot be the authentic burial cloth of Jesus: I. SPICES According to the Gospel of John the body was CERTAINLY wrapped/bound in linen cloths WITH the spices: John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh(a) and aloes(b), about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. Jesus died around 3 pm and Sabbath started around 6 pm. So, enough time to take the body from the cross, to wrap it according to the burial custom of Jews at that time and to transport Jesus to the nearby rock-tomb. Nothing else was done there. So, there must be at least non biodegradable particles and stains like it is claimed for blood. But there was/is EMPHASISED NOTHING(c). Already that is enough to disprove the Shroud, comparing it with the biblical account. II. IMAGE And the image itself is a contradiction. There is no shading of the bodys' sides and the top of the head? Also the contact-distance pattern of the backside doesn't correspond the forensic pattern of a dead body lying e.g. on a plate. Folds, overlappings and wavy areas are inevitable as shown in a Shroud wrapping simulation video to explain "scientifically" the blood stain pattern.(d) III. FAZIT Both, wrapping together with spices never would have resulted in such an undistorted 2D projection image. And other "scientific" discussions are irrelevant as long there is NO BIBLICAL EVIDENCE that Jesus was wrapped in something like the Shroud. IV. NOTES (a) myrrh: Is an oily rubbery resin which is obtained from the solidified sap of myrrh shrub/tree (genus Commiphora). The resin is dissolvable in water and e.g. olive oil, can be powdered and has among others a spicy pleasant scent. (b) aloes: Is either the resin which is obtained from the solidified sap of the eagle tree (Aquilaria agallocha) or in this case it is probably the evaporated extract from the fleshly leaves of Aloe vera or Aloe succotrina. (c) Barrie Schwortz "Excerpt of STURPs 1981 final report: ... Microchemical evaluation has indicated NO EVIDENCE OF ANY SPICES, OILS, or any biochemicals known to be produced by the body in life or in death. It is clear that there has been a DIRECT CONTACT OF THE SHROUD WITH A BODY, which explains certain features such as scourge marks, as well as the blood." (d) David Rolfe "Shroud of Turin - How the Shroud wrapped the body" There are two parts - the links you can find on my channels' Playlist. As you will see no use of 32 kg spices because it doesn't work with something like the Shroud. There are more details in a video presentation/description and comments when clicking icon W to the left-top of this comment.
I have also become enamored by the Shroud especially in the last decade. When dozens of prestigous scientists have devoted so much effort in its analysis using the most sophisticated equipment in the world what are the chances of it being other than authentic? It's the most thoroughly investigated relic in the world. The image uncannily matches the scriptural description to the last detail. It cannot be replicated....how does anyone replicate a supernatural event? A special type of radiation appears to be the key and yet we are unable to understand it.
@@theodorematuga7978 So all things from the past that cannot be explained/replicated/reproduced must be divine miracles or the works of aliens as some gullible people believe. It's clear that the image matches the Scripture. Do you think that forgers were/are fools? But the Shroud DOESN'T MATCH THE BURIAL DESCRIPTIONS in the Scripture. Jesus was wrapped in linen cloths WITH about 30 kg spices. How to do that using something like the Shroud? There are more details in a video presentation/description and comments when clicking icon W to the left-top of this comment. Prove me to be biblically wrong if you can.
All you just proved is that whoverer did this also knows and has read the Bible. Which narrows it down to 2 bilion... My bet the crazy church elders did this to a random guy. And they do know their Bible. So they did do everything correctly.
Before I become a little critical, I'd like to say that I very much enjoy Mr Rucker's analysis, it's fascinating. I keep hearing people referring to the image as 'The crucified man in the shroud', he has a name, his name is Jeshua (Jesus) say it! now I understand that you cannot say for certain who it is, BUT who else in history has been crucified in such a way? Who else had a crown of thorns placed on his head, and had a spear wound to the side of his body?
Flogging and crucifixions were extremely common in ancient Rome, as was the spear thrust into the side of the victim to make sure he was dead, before they brought him down to be buried. The crown of thorns is the only unique part of the crucifixion of Jesus.
@shannonhenson609 It was not 'extremely common', they did it sometimes, as they also sometimes broke their legs. But what is mostly unique by far, is obviously the image formation on the cloth, there isn't anything like it in existence.
@@DEE-qu5mc its ok to be critical and speak your mind. Can we say with certainty this is the burial shroud of Jesus? I cant because I do not have enough real data about the shroud. Do I think this is the shroud of Jesus? Yes I do but I can't prove it yet beyond a reasonable doubt. Keep the faith DEE!
More and more I am of the opinion is that the Shroud was intended for us, for our time, and for the future. In the past people possessed easy belief in God and Jesus; nowadays, people are more cynical, less inclined to believe in God and the existence of Jesus. The figure formed within the Shroud was not that obvious to people in the past; however, with modern Science, the image is properly revealed and the mystery of Jesus' resurrection made clear.
Very well said...I agree. This knowledge is being revealed to a more cynical age. This is no accident. "For those who believe, no proof is necessary but for those who disbelieve, no amount of proof wIll suffice"
Well I don’t understand it all, but I would love to hear a panel discussion into Rucker’s theory with multiple physicists on both sides of the Christian faith. Perhaps we could also have Rucker address any peer review of his various papers. In any case, I think we are comfortably beyond any credible forgery argument.
Betcha it was alien technology...Jesus is an alien created being to.lead us from astray. A new Jesus hopefully will reappear in these days starting in 2020
My French Family had custody of a Chalice , some thorns and the shroud in its journey . There is genetic imprinting from the component of the event that for some in my family is tangible regarding purpose and need with humorous consequences . It is a very penetrating sense of touch that is personally challenging . Being imperfect .
if the image was formed when the shroud was wrapped snuggly on the body would we not see a distorted image when the cloth was flattened out thereafter? The image we see presently suggests it was formed while the cloth was very flat above and below the body as there are no distorted image parts due to wrinkled, wrapped or bundled cloth. Or have I missed something important? Thanks for the vids Mike.
There was a tv examination of the shroud that sought to reconstruct the face that made the image that is on the cloth. You can find that image if you google something like forensic or digital examination of the shoud image.
Since we have no idea how the image was actually formed, even if a radiation event, and since it must be a miracle, it can be any way God wants it to be.
@sliglusamelius8578 thats true and I appreciate your view. I'm simply fascinated by this item and just chasing down the angles to possibly find unasked questions and others observations, such as yours! Thanks!
Absolutely. Completely over scientific. The image would be distorted and there would be a gap between front and back head images. It's undoubtedly a fake.
This is an outstanding presentation. The fact that the image is limited to the uppermost 0.2 micrometers of the thread is overwhelming evidence for a non-natural explanation. I don't see how a Medieval artist/forgery could have accomplished this highly targeted discoloration. But even more challenging for the skeptics is the fact that the image appears on the entire circumference of these outermost threads. How would an artist applied the image to that part of a fiber's circumference facing "outward", i.e., away from the body, especially considering that part of the circumference of the discolored fiber would be pressed against other fibers within the thread, and those other adjacent fibers do not exhibit any discoloration?
As a practising Presbyterian, I always figured the shroud was a fake from the middle ages.....but I recently saw Dr Johm Campbell's video on it and have been transfixed ever since....FASCINATING. I hope people outside of the Christian world find out about the studies and challenge their findings and come to the conclusion that it may well be what they are being told ❤
Don't practising Presbyterians study the Bible to check whether this relic cult is all right? And did John Campbell give biblical evidence that Jesus was wrapped in something like the Shroud? According to burial descriptions in the gospels Jesus was wrapped in linen cloths (bandages/strips) WITH the spices. Nobody can explain how this could have been done using something like the Shroud. John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 kg]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. There are more details in a video presentation/description and comments when clicking icon W to the left-top of this comment.
@@wipo3654 Gospel of John: stooping and looking in, he seeth the linen cloths lying; yet entered he not in. Simon Peter therefore also cometh, following him, and entered into the tomb; and he beholdeth the linen cloths lying, and the napkin, that was upon his head, not lying with the linen cloths, but rolled up in a place by itself. Strips/Bandages only? How do you know they were? That's just your own interpretation, nothing more. So by your interpretation, it would mean that he was wrapped up like a mummy, which is highly unlikely. If we go by the Gospel of John, 'linen cloths lying' is mentioned, what could that mean? It could mean the linen shroud, including the linen strips, which would be used to tie up the body and keep the shroud in place, which makes sense. And if we go by Mathew's Gospel, 'Joseph (of Arimathea) took the body, and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth', notice cloth is mentioned, which obviously would be a sheet, not just cloths or strips to wrap the body. 'It was not until Roman times, that the body was wrapped in a sheet, while a cloth was placed over the face, and the arms and legs were bound with bands', bands being the strips/bandages that you mentioned. So much for your, no one can explain how this could of been, as in Jesus being wrapped in cloths (bandages/strips), again, it's your own interpretation, if Jesus being wrapped in cloths is mentioned elsewhere, it doesn't necessarily mean that he was wrapped by strips/Bandages only.
@@DEE-qu5mc Either you didn't completely read my post or you didn't get the point regarding spices. Try again: Regarding SPICES and IMAGE some STURP (Shroud of Turin Research Program 1978 to 1981) findings confirm very good that the Shroud cannot be the authentic burial cloth of Jesus: I. SPICES According to the Gospel of John the body was CERTAINLY wrapped/bound in linen cloths WITH the spices: John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh(a) and aloes(b), about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. Jesus died around 3 pm and Sabbath started around 6 pm. So, enough time to take the body from the cross, to wrap it according to the burial custom of Jews at that time and to transport Jesus to the nearby rock-tomb. Nothing else was done there. So, there must be at least non biodegradable particles and stains like it is claimed for blood. But there was/is EMPHASISED NOTHING(c). Already that is enough to disprove the Shroud, comparing it with the biblical account. II. IMAGE And the image itself is a contradiction. There is no shading of the bodys' sides and the top of the head? Also the contact-distance pattern of the backside doesn't correspond the forensic pattern of a dead body lying e.g. on a plate. Folds, overlappings and wavy areas are inevitable as shown in a Shroud wrapping simulation video to explain "scientifically" the blood stain pattern.(d) III. FAZIT Both, wrapping together with spices never would have resulted in such an undistorted 2D projection image. And other "scientific" discussions are irrelevant as long there is NO BIBLICAL EVIDENCEthat Jesus was wrapped in something like the Shroud. IV. NOTES (a) myrrh: Is an oily rubbery resin which is obtained from the solidified sap of myrrh shrub/tree (genus Commiphora). The resin is dissolvable in water and e.g. olive oil, can be powdered and has among others a spicy pleasant scent. (b) aloes: Is either the resin which is obtained from the solidified sap of the eagle tree (Aquilaria agallocha) or in this case it is probably the evaporated extract from the fleshly leaves of Aloe vera or Aloe succotrina. (c) Barrie Schwortz "Excerpt of STURPs 1981 final report: ... Microchemical evaluation has indicated NO EVIDENCE OF ANY SPICES, OILS, or any biochemicals known to be produced by the body in life or in death. It is clear that there has been a DIRECT CONTACT OF THE SHROUD WITH A BODY, which explains certain features such as scourge marks, as well as the blood." (d) David Rolfe "Shroud of Turin - How the Shroud wrapped the body" There are two parts - the links you can find on my channels' Playlist. As you will see no use of 32 kg spices because it doesn't work with something like the Shroud. There are more details in a video presentation/description and comments when clicking icon W to the left-top of this comment.
Did nurse Campbell explain the pathology of the forearms and hands? They certainly are what a bad artist would draw. If someone tells you there's a mystery, doesn't mean there is one.
I just wonder if the smoke that happened during the fire could add any “carbon” to the testing area causing the carbon date to be changed. Smoke contains a large amount of carbon obviously and the whole shroud was in a fire. This is just a question about how they did the dating knowing it was soaked in smoke.
The fact that the front and dorsal images have the same characteristics implies that the body floated above the lower shroud and was not in touch with it when the photograph as it were was created
@ the image of the back of the legs is visible..but with no distortion…perhaps that is clearer. From memory rigour mortise lasts a few hours after death.
I'd like to say this was great but .... I understood about every third word he said, not being a nuclear engineer myself. I'd say it was really good because I got the gist of it but I do wish you'd interjected with more questions to encourage him to try to put things in laymen's terms -- or like he's talking to a five year old. That's what some of us need, lol. I'm not up on the latest about oscillating electrical fields, sadly. This is thrilling and complicated stuff but I think more people "out there" would be excited if it was made more understandable -- just the overall conversation about this topic, not simply this podcast. Bottom seems to be that some kind of massive, vertical, and specific energetic anomaly -- aka the resurrection -- created the image.
While carbon dating in 1988 suggested the Shroud of Turin originated around the 14th century, some researchers argue that contamination from repairs after a 1532 fire may have skewed the results, with other studies indicating the cloth is actually about 2,000 years old (Fanti et al., 2013).
Fascinating!! According to this man, the imprinted image on the shroud was done and a result of body tele-transportation similar to the transport in the Star Trek sci-fi series (Beam me up Scotty!!). The body was teleported and vanished in thin air at an instance and emitting a flash of light, leaving only the shroud with the image imprinted on it. This fits the Resurrection of Christ imagery we have, vanishing from his tomb and leaving only his shroud behind. This is indeed proof of the resurrection of Jesus!!
1 Corinthians 15:51-53 "Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.…"
It's easy for me as a 3D artist and 3D content creator to understand what the Robert is saying. We use grayscale images to transmit information to rendering engines such as Iray which then change the appearance of the topology of an object in very close analog to what he is describing about the radiation here, albeit in a reverse fashion -- the brighter the area of the image, the more the topology of the 3D mesh in a scene is affected. Here, it is the object (the crucified man) that is creating the grayscale image. I think he's on the right track.
We all love Mike, but when Robert finished his AMAZING, STUNNING PRESENTATION, Mike was totally clueless on what to say or what to ask, looking completely nervous and baffled, talking about some weird theory that has nothing to do with what Robert has just talked about. What a FANTASTIC lecture from this super gifted, talented scientist. I loved this show, watching it again right now, and we could not thank more Robert for his beautiful work, Amen! 🙏🏼
You can see the light/energy burst out of Christ's head at the moment of reserection. Absolutely amazing. I'm a believer...nice to see a scientist as believer too.
Funny : it also happened to me about 15 years ago ! I had the same intuition. What still bother me in this hypothesis of nuclear split is how making a uni directional vertical radiation ... in theory, this should be omni directional and cause a blur image. The fact is that the image is focused... You have any theorical explanation on that ? Robert admitted the fact as part of resurrection process... Still a lot to do before understanding how God proceeded ! Best wishes for 2025 !
This is the time of Grace. Of the Gentiles. We must go into the world to preach the gospel of Christ. What a great way to start a conversation with the more “ intellectual “ type of friend. Praise Jesus!
I used to criticise Catholics for their reverence of relics. But just imagine had the reformation got the upper hand and all the relics were destroyed. Just think of that. And Dieci e Lode (Kudos) to Rucker… I have seen countless presentations and I think this beats them all.
Best news I've heard in a very long while. What comes to mind: . The response of the Apostle Tomas to Jesus when Jesus appeared to the gathering in the room after Jesus death, shocking all of course, Tomas said to Jesus : " My Lord, and my God"!
He really opened up this conversation very well. Speaking right to the point on the carbon dating topic. Sometimes, it seems a bit overwhelming and possibly confusing for someone who has no foreknowledge on both carbon dating and discussing neutrons. I wonder something... Does anyone think it's possible that when the particular section was selected for dating, was it done so because there was a hypothesis that it would in fact point to a later date, simply because it was a rewoven piece of cloth. Meaning that some people desired to have the Shroud seem like it couldn't possibly belong to Jesus. In a maliciously calculated manner. Even if that was so, with Mr. Rucker provides excellent scientific calculation and explanation. Essentially canceling out the "hopes" of some who desired to steal faith away from the Shroud. I pray The information provided by Bob Rucker become widely recognized and accepted by many with joy. Praise Jesus. King of Kings. Our Amazing Lord. And, the greatest of friends. 😊 God Bless
I bet freemasons were the one who examined it. Seriously. They would not want the authenticity of the shroud to be verified. Freemasons still control the vatican. That would be why the vatican wont allow the shroud to be looked at again.
Interesting thought! I would argue that they wouldn’t necessarily be the same. Christ brought Lazarus back to ordinary human life while his own Resurrection is qualitatively different in scope - what Paul mysteriously refers to as a “spiritual body.”
FWIW and at the risk of muddying the waters the writings of Maria Valtorta describe the Shroud and the energy involved in the formation of the image, remembering that the wounds are not part of the image per se.
There is a Research Institute out of Palermo Sicily. The mans name is Guiseppe Maria Catalano…. Called the International Institute for Advanced Studies of Space Representation Sciences. Phenomenal Research and video on youtube as well… I have seen the fruits up close on the thorn crown, there are very clear chains on the mans wrists. There is a distinct image of a hexagonal shaped Talisman hanging on a cord or chain from the Crown of Thorns. If you use a magnifying glass you can look at the wrists and clearly see he was still in chains ! I emailed the Late Barrie Swartz about the Talisman but my image was not clear enough for Barry to see over the internet. The Shroud is a Real Holy Relic!
@Thegraciousone Check Roger Spurr and his bacterial to enzyme ideas about biology. Basically the cells of the individual on the Shroud, were activated and atomically changed by enzymes to emit radiation...for some reason, could be for repair and resurrection if I was to guess...
As an agnostic, I've been interested in the Shroud for over five decades. The more we learn from it, the more questions are formed. I'm still on the fence about it being the shroud of "Jesus" but it almost certainly wasn't made by man. Its the biggest enigma in the world, and yet many people have never heard of it! That is the biggest mystery to me!
Yes I agree man cannot solve these observable facts. As a believer myself I asked in prayer sincerely for the faith to believe this was from God’s doing , and He has given me the Truth. He said “ I am the way,the Truth and the source of life, therefore no man comes to the Father except by me” !
It’s good you apparently have an open mind and honest heart to this serious piece of object, a relic from long past ago but it was so intriguing and inexplicable that (I heard it’s the most investigated thing in all of history of humanity.
I hold a PhD (and masters) in physics and I am a Christian, but there are a good number of issues I have with this explanation, and in the spirit of his statement "a hypothesis must explain all the facts we know already" I would raise these four comments (I have plenty more, but I'll stick to the topic specific to his explanation): Since when is linen an "electrical conductor" for the electrical current to flow on its surface? Flow of electrons alone is difficult to argue let alone on its surface. Also, he said that teeth were absorbent. Therefore, we should expect them to be darker (in the negative of the shroud shown in the slides), any absorbing medium should be darker and any emitting volume should be brighter. The problem with all colimated beams is that in the absence of absorbing medium, their brightness does not decay at any cross-section of the beam. For example, a well-collimated laser light will appear just as bright 1m away as 1km away. He argues that what we are seeing is the effect of absorption of air between the Proton-neutron source (from splitting deuterium) and the cloth. The trouble is, the when I crunch the numbers (the scattering absorption of air being about 2 barns and the number density of atoms is well known) , the mean free path of a low-energy (thermal) neutron through air is around 50 meters. This means that the air gap of around 5cm cm will absorb only 0.1% of the radiation. This predicts that the discolouration on the eyes (less that 5cm) compared to the nose (directly in contact) should only be less than 0.1% weaker which is not the case. Basically, the type of radiation he proposes would not produce enough contrast for us to distinguish between the nose and the eyes or any other features and it disagrees with the strong (of the order of tens of percent) discolouration differences on the shroud. The air is not nearly absorbent enough to protons/neurons to encode the air gap thickness information on these scales. If he had proposed electrons, then maybe, (I'd have to check), but he didn't and he didn't offer any even back of an envelope maths to support his claim. Last but not least, hair is already dead, so it needs no resurrection. Why is hair clearly the brightest on the image?
This other question I have is sort of wacky, but hear me out 😂 The ufo craft is hypothesized to beam a body into a craft, and is it possible the electromagnetic radiation of the body flowing through the fabric leave the impression. I don’t believe it this, but have thought about it.
@@bpd8426 as to the first question, we need to remember that the resurrection happened more than 24h after the body was laid in the tomb, the cloth would have been dry by now. Your idea with a beam from the outside cannot work, just as he said. It would not deposit the information of the shape of the body on the shroud. It would be just a dark patch with no features. Moreover, it would have discoloured the linen through and through since the beam needs to penetrate completely through the linen to reach the body. If we are considering radiation hypotheses, it had to originate from the body.
For the pontential distortion that should have been in the shroud I have this theory: Progressive Radiation Emission and Proportionality If we imagine that the radiation emanated from the body continuously and in all directions, with intensity proportional to the proximity of the cloth, it could have created a more accurate projection, similar to the effect observed in orthopantomography. In this case, the Shroud's cloth would have "recorded" the image according to the intensity of the radiation over time, rather than receiving a single "burst" that would have caused more obvious distortions. This model would explain how the cloth, even though it was wrapped around the body in a curved form, could have recorded a proportionate image without significant distortion. It is as if each point on the cloth acted as a "local detector," adjusting the intensity based on the distance to the body, creating a flatter effect in the final image.
@@manuelobster what does time of exposure have to do with geometry? Geometry is not affected by whether it was a burst or a long process. It's only a result of the direction. Whether the radiation was colimated or not. You seem to be claiming it was not. Unfortunately, as stated in the video (and I agree), a non-collimated radiation would cause a blurry image. For example, if you removed a lens from a camera and too pictures, they would be so blurry as to be completely illegible. This is because each point on the imaged object radiates in all directions, so it irradiates many different points on the screen. Consequently, each point on the screen receives signal from multiple sources and it all becomes a blur. Orthopantomography works by producing a series of colimated beams that pass radially inwards and then outwards through the head. The problem is that, if you look at such images you will immediately see they are nothing like an image on the shroud. Look at one and pay attention to how extremely wide the jawbone appears on these tomographies. These are actually very much like face texture maps and this is what the shroud ought to look like, but it doesn't. Your solution doesn't solve anything. It suffers from the same problem.
I look forward that this time Robert hopefully will be presenting a part that gives detailed Bible based answers/explanations to the following questions: (1) What is the correct bible translation of the Greek word “sindón” - “a linen shroud/sheet/cloth” or “linen cloth” as generalmaterial description? (2) What happened to the “burial spices” - a 32 kg sticky mixture of myrrh and aloes? (3) What the women intended to do after Sabbath - “anointing” or “burial spicing”? (4) Why to use an extra head cloth „soudarion“ when wrapping a body in something like the Shroud? (5) What convinced the people in the 1st century that Jesus rose the third day? My thoughts are shown in a video presentation/description and comments when clicking icon W to the left-top of this comment.
I know nothing but when you bring up radiation it makes me think of the ark of the covenant . The sickness experienced of people being around it resembling radiation sickness. Just a weird connection my mind went to 🤷♀️
Decades of years, the miraculous Shroud was one of the most importantly decisive reasons for me to believe Jesus. And then with some real experiences with Jesus, I had to say Jesus and His love are true more than any truth on earth.
So Dr. Rucker, you have reverse engineered the physics for the intense bursts of alternating radiation, but what provided the energy for the deuterium nuclei split? Was it something in the limestone, but no, it had to come from inside the body, what was it? Thank you for your very clear presentation!
It doesn't seem to make sense that there is no image of sides of the body, top of the head or bottom of the feet. I didn't really see any good explanation of that from Bob.
@@bluebadger3223 you are correct that is rather puzzling as we are presuming the shroud was wrapped around the whole body. This raises some questions for me as well about distorted cloth, over-lapping cloth and many more questions. We still have alot of work to do.
To boil this down to a sentence...can we say the transfer of the image on both sides is the result of a nuclear fax machine or copier? Clearly burning from the inside of the shroud and outward?
My big question is why the oscillation would be perfectly vertical only? Outside of gravity, there isn't any difference between one direction or another. What prevents every other oscillation direction in the reaction?
That's why this makes no sense, radiation only going up and down from the skin's surface and with with no blocking from bones. It should look like an xray.
This is also one of my question. Robert explaination is to admit that there is this vertical oscillation causing electrostatic field as if the top and bottom sides of the shroud were electrical condenser plates... This is plausible but as far as I know, we are unable to experiment deuterium disintegration emitting protons in only one specific direction... Still a lot to do in order to understand God resurrection process ! Best wishes for 2025 !
The discoloration displays a 'skin effect' similar to what you see in high voltage transmission lines where the electricity travels on the outer skin of the bundle of wires and not through the middle of it, and the higher the frequency the further out on the skin of the wire the current travels.
What gets me is the image was created while stretched flat, not a draped over image, otherwise when stretched out it would be distorted, an elongated image. You take a round cylinder, paint it, wrap a pillow cover 3/4's around it, take it off and stretch it flat, the image wont be the same view as the actual cylinder. Next would be the 3 or 4 distinct distortions in the shroud that shows movement during the forming of the image which may conclude different consecutive bursts of energy. I'm curious if it can be determined if the shroud was affected by an outward direction or outside inward or both? What are the odds of just those outer single fibers having a substance on them during the making/weaving of the cloth before it was completed. Is it possible to recreate how that limited weave style was manufactured? Exactly what the process included, how the material was treated/handled before the weave being constructed. In the back of my head, I'm still thinking this had something to do with a soul, an energy source we have also yet to explain, exiting/returning to its restored body. Jesus would have had a soul of significant energy, knowledge and unlimited access to our physical world. According to the parameters of the image, was the body floating above the stone at that moment or still resting on the bottom half of the fabric? The blood stains are placed within the image on both halves, if they were soaked into the cloth while it was draped around, some stains would appear outside of the image when the shroud is stretched flat. If the bottom half of the shroud was mostly laid flat under the body and the top half was draped over, both images would not be exactly the same, so both sides had to be in the same physical state as the miracle occurred. Were the single fibers of the bottom half of the shroud also only affected on the outside when stretched flat, or the opposite side relative to the top image? Guessing it was the outside on both halves as folded. Let the miracle remain a miracle, that's all I can say. When so many people are standing on pins and needles about this subject, and the rest taking it all on faith, it keeps reminding me how god said not to worship false idols. To me that includes his son and messenger, Jesus, his mother, the cross or pieces thereof, his cup, his shoes, his burial places, his missing body and associated materials, weeping or bleeding statues of representation, incorruptible bodies of other humans or the implied bones of his disciples and subsequent saints, the list goes on. I constantly hear the phrases praise Jesus and praise Mary, when god was dead against it. It's not outside the great deceiver's job description or abilities to trick people into going against the ten suggestions. God made a covenant with us, not Moses, not Jesus or his followers, Not Mary, not even the Vatican or it's criminal subcontractors. God has no reason to be blanketing us with all these clues, hints or reminders. He said he'd never cause another flood to wipe us out, this time I think hes letting us create our own demise. He slapped down the tower of Babel like nobodies business and changed all of our languages to disperse us, our very last, current and continuing test. He didn't ask any of us to sacrifice our children like Abraham, who had an iron clad faith in his god, he simply wanted us to learn how to communicate again and come together as a whole, everything in between is just cannon fodder, we just keep on creating reasons and excuses not to worship god as he intended or his simple commandments. We may all be different in all aspects of life, but the one single common denominator within us all is our one true connection to god, our immortal golden soul. Because we can't explain it with science, we set it aside or dismiss it all together. Now we found a new way to piss off god... the created have become the creator, we'er so smart we think we can supersede god's covenant and get all the answers we need from our own version of the tower of Babel. At least we did learn that towers can serve other purposes than to boast of our greatness and they don't actually lead to heaven's gate. We did take something away from that example, but not all of the lesson.
@@Lindamartin-ml1nv We are all souls from the hands of god, as was his messenger, the prophet Jesus. Jesus is not god or a god. God never intended his son to be worshiped, as he stated. Only god is to be worshiped, praised or glorified. Everyone has been breaking that commandment. You probably got your info from the paganized blasphemous roman handbook.
Yes, this is literally an INCREDIBLE video. Great that you believe in Jesus Christ. But please do not build your faith on relics and learn to prove with the Bible. According to the GOSPELS' CONTEXT the Shroud of Turin CANNOT BE the authentic burial cloth of Jesus Christ: The Shroud cult starts with misleading biased Bible translations of the Greek word SINDON as "a linen shroud/sheet/cloth". But there is no indefinite article "a" in the original Greek texts of Matthew 27:59, Mark 15:46 and Luke 23:53, e.g.: Mark 15:46 ESV "And Joseph bought a linen shroud ..." In this case there are 3 Greek words only: "KAI AGORASAS SINDONA ..." This literally translated: "And having bought linen cloth ..." So, the CONTEXT is decisive and the correct unbiased translation/interpretation of SINDON must be "linen cloth" as general material description because Joseph of Arimathea bought ALL the needed burial linen cloth: bandages/strips (OTHONION) and the head cloth (SOUDARION). And the apostle John didn't mention SINDON in his gospel because he also didn't mention the all-inclusive purchase of Joseph of Arimathea. Also the apostle John focused more on the burial and resurrection details and there is nothing described like the Shroud. John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 kg]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. John 20 5And stooping to look in, he [JOHN] saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, but he did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, 7and the face cloth [SOUDARION], which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths [OTHONION] but folded up in a place by itself. Nicodemus organised about 32 kg burial spices. He was a leading Rabbi who knew WHAT was needed, HOW MUCH and that there was ENOUGH TIME to do the burial spicing that later should suppress the smell of decomposition. Jesus died around 3 pm and Sabbath started around 6 pm. Enough time to take the body from the cross, to wrap/bind the body in linen cloths (OTHONION) W I T H the spices between those bandages/strips according to the burial custom of Jews at that time. Jesus was transported to the nearby rock-tomb and laid in there. Nothing else was done in the tomb. As described by the apostle John, the burial wrapping/spicing was completely done according to burial custom of Jews at that time. This was observed by the women. After Sabbath the women intended to anoint Jesus. ANOINTING is something completely different than the BURIAL SPICING and according to the New Testament it concerned mainly the head/hair, as an act of honour. Mark 16 1When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint [ALEIPSOSIN] him. The head cloth (SOUDARION) fully covered the head and the rest of the body was wrapped/bound in linen cloths (OTHONION]) with the spices between those bandages/strips. The head cloth was part of the burial custom of Jews at that time. Once added, it remained on the head, as we can see in the gospel of John as well: John 11:44 44The man [Lazarus] who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with linen strips, and his face wrapped with a cloth [SOUDARION]. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.” Some commentators are mentioning a Jewish tradition that a master, when leaving a dining table, either left his napkin (SOUDARION) unfolded to say: "I am finished", or he folded it to say: "I will come back!" I couldn't verify this tradition but it's a central pillar of Christian faith that Jesus will come back to establish His kingdom of peace. As shown above, there is linguistically and logically NO EVIDENCE for something like the Shroud in the gospels. It clearly contradicts the burial custom of (rich) Jews at that time and it didn‘t play any role from the beginning of the real church of Christ/God. No Shroud was and is needed to believe in the resurrection and overall in Jesus Christ. There are more details in a video presentation/description and comments when clicking icon W to the left-top of this comment. Be blessed - SHALOM!
Hi Only Izsabel Pitzak nuclear physicist has explained that the linen shroud cloth was STRETCHED TAUT OVER AND UNDER THE BODY WHEN THE FRONT AND BACK IMAGES WERE RECORDED ON THE CLOTH WITH THE RADIATION PROCESS WHICH DISLOCATED THE PRIOR IMPRINTS OF THE BLOOD STAINS WHICH TRANSFERRED TO THE CLOTH WHILE DRAPED IN DIRECT CONTACT TO THE BODY!😮
I thought before that the event that caused the image might have done something to the C14. Can you calculate wether the amount of protons needed to produce the image matches the mount of neutrons needed to shift the carbon dating ( produced by splitting the Deuterium)
Can we test this by purposely making this oscillation happen to see if we get the same kind of discoloration of a linen cloth? If so, what is the likelihood of this test being performed?
I once read another "scientific" article on the Shroud, and the speculation was that it would take a number of today's nuclear plants for enough energy to :cause" this event. Good questions you have, BUT does The Creator "need" to do what you speculate OR is He capable of coming up with His own "science?"
The imprint understanding is correct where the Body arose and was taken up . That was where the heat occured although there were things beyond humans present appreciation for understanding procedures available from those from outside . This one was the first awoke of them who slept .
My unscientific mind connects this short, low energy outburst to the outburst of light that is observed at the moment of conception, when a sperm penetrates the egg.
Is there enough natural Deuterium in the human body to provide the necessary quantity of neutrons required for this process or did the Romans have some sort of access to heavy water? Also, corona discharge using AC is a well known process, for instance to produce ozone, but the HV is externally supplied for that. How many eV do you expect is required from the initiating event to briefly produce a plasma discharge?
Very interesting. His theory is just as valid as anyone else's and I tend to believe it. Those who simply say, This must be a forgery without presenting any supporting evidence, are not credible.
EDIT: I read the paper he recommended on this and I stand corrected. I was not aware that additional samples were taken in 1988. Just one more observation: Robert keeps referring to explaining the carbon dating result as if it was a good sample. It was NOT, a fact which has been thoroughly documented many times and which he well knows. He is not looking at one of twelve samples, he is looking at one twelfth of one sample. The curators stopped the STURP team at the last minute and had a heated argument with them about how many samples they could take and from where. STURP had been pre-approved to take a number of samples from various places on the shroud. The curators changed that at the last possible moment and allowed them only one sample from the edge of the shroud, unfortunately from an area which had been repaired through re-weaving by nuns in the middle ages. Hence the RC date that he insists on sticking to. I am enjoying his presentation so far, but with that one very very large caveat: he is using bad data which he knows to be bad data to support a premise. This is bad.
Is Bob familiar with Dr. Gary Habermas? I'd strongly suggest he contact him, or at least listen to his UA-cam interviews on the Shroud - very interesting and enlightening. Dr. Habermas relates information from more recent carbon dating as well as information on the thread samples taken.
I love mysteries and this is a great one. I can't critique the nuclear physics hypothesis but I can accept that some kind of energy emanated from the body and "burned" the image on the linen. This is a unique phenomenon. However, it seems too much of a leap to conclude that this proves resurrection. This shows me that Dr. Rucker is a Christian and has a need to convince himself of the resurrection but his logic fails and this need causes him to jump prematurely to this conclusion. I put this in the category of unexplained phenomenon that are not uncommon among saints including indian gurus, and Islamic saints. Nevertheless, it is good to have a serious scientist studying this and I hope he can make progress in explaining how a dying body can produce this energy. I would like to see Dr. Rucker look for other energetic phenomena among living saints that might help clarify this. The Dalai Lama has been open to applying science to meditation. Perhaps he should interview the Dalai Lama who might be able to suggest other avenues of research!
Wow this is extremely fascinating. Three questions. Maybe a follow up video goes into this, but: 1. Presumably the miracle itself caused an event inside Jesus that created the split of the deuterium atom. What would this look like exactly from someone observing the phenomenon? Like if I was inside the tomb when this happened, what would I see? 2. Have any experimental tests been done to split these deuterium atoms near linen to see if a similar 3D photo negative effect is produced? 3. I thought you were going to go into this more, but why aren’t the sides of Jesus on the shroud? The shroud was wide enough to be draped over the sides, I would assume the same burst would have interacted with those fibers. Great video, and unique perspective. I immediately dismissed the shroud as a fake after hearing the testing results from the 1980s, but strongly feel those were erroneous and the more we learn now, the more I am convinced.
I have always found the perfect symmetry of the impression on the shroud...troubling. A corpse would not be 'poised', as the shroud depicts. Also, the 'wrapping' of a cadaver would not result in such symmetrical transfer onto cloth. Or so I posit.
The body of Jesus was in rigor. He was not poised. The Shroud never did wrap the body of Jesus. There was not time to do so. He was laid on the bottom half and the top half folded over him. Then they had to stop for the observation of the Sabbath. When they returned to finish preparing the body he had already been resurrected.
Yes, the Shroud is a FAKE because regarding SPICES and IMAGE some STURP (Shroud of Turin Research Program 1978 to 1981) findings confirm very good that the Shroud cannot be the authentic burial cloth of Jesus: I. SPICES According to the Gospel of John the body was CERTAINLY wrapped/bound in linen cloths WITH the spices: John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh(a) and aloes(b), about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. Jesus died around 3 pm and Sabbath started around 6 pm. So, enough time to take the body from the cross, to wrap it according to the burial custom of Jews at that time and to transport Jesus to the nearby rock-tomb. Nothing else was done there. So, there must be at least non biodegradable particles and stains like it is claimed for blood. But there was/is EMPHASISED NOTHING(c). Already that is enough to disprove the Shroud, comparing it with the biblical account. II. IMAGE And the image itself is a contradiction. There is no shading of the bodys' sides and the top of the head? Also the contact-distance pattern of the backside doesn't correspond the forensic pattern of a dead body lying e.g. on a plate. Folds, overlappings and wavy areas are inevitable as shown in a Shroud wrapping simulation video to explain "scientifically" the blood stain pattern.(d) III. FAZIT Both, wrapping together with spices never would have resulted in such an undistorted 2D projection image. And other "scientific" discussions are irrelevant as long there is NO BIBLICAL EVIDENCE that Jesus was wrapped in something like the Shroud. IV. NOTES (a) myrrh: Is an oily rubbery resin which is obtained from the solidified sap of myrrh shrub/tree (genus Commiphora). The resin is dissolvable in water and e.g. olive oil, can be powdered and has among others a spicy pleasant scent. (b) aloes: Is either the resin which is obtained from the solidified sap of the eagle tree (Aquilaria agallocha) or in this case it is probably the evaporated extract from the fleshly leaves of Aloe vera or Aloe succotrina. (c) Barrie Schwortz "Excerpt of STURPs 1981 final report: ... Microchemical evaluation has indicated NO EVIDENCE OF ANY SPICES, OILS, or any biochemicals known to be produced by the body in life or in death. It is clear that there has been a DIRECT CONTACT OF THE SHROUD WITH A BODY, which explains certain features such as scourge marks, as well as the blood." (d) David Rolfe "Shroud of Turin - How the Shroud wrapped the body" There are two parts - the links you can find on my channels' Playlist. As you will see no use of 32 kg spices because it doesn't work with something like the Shroud. There are more details in a video presentation/description and comments when clicking icon W to the left-top of this comment.
Wal Thornhill and Monti Childs is your answer to the current . Don’t overcomplicate it because it is already how everything works . Birkland currents or the spider woman in the Hopi .
The shroud is by far the most convincing evidence I've ever seen. This analysis among others makes it more compelling.
The Shroud is simply a fake and to defend its' authenticity even discredits the Scripture.
Jesus was wrapped in linen cloths (bandages/strips) WITH about 30 kg spices between. Explain how this could have been done with something like the Shroud.
John 19
39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there.
John 20
5And stooping to look in, he [JOHN] saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, but he did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, 7and the face cloth [SOUDARION], which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths [OTHONION] but folded up in a place by itself.
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@@EternalLife-h1xI don't think Ceasar (Augustus) was alive then.
As a child of a chemistry professor and someone who has taken two years each of general and organic chemistry, this was excellent and so insightful. Thank you!
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Yes. its fascinating. it shouldve been easily debunked, and it wasnt.
Incredible content. I am convinced. It is the real deal!
Yes, and it's implications are worth thinking about.
For ‘Doubting Thomases’ like myself, the shroud is a wonderful relic to meditate and ponder on.
The Bible says that even Paul had to see Jesus before he believed.
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@@EternalLife-h1x Thank you, didnt know that..Im on it...also, other non-Christian sources mentioning Jesus include Josephus (Jewish historian confirming Jesus' crucifixion), Tacitus (Roman historian verifying execution under Pilate), Pliny the Younger (Roman governor describing Christian worship), Suetonius (historian referring to disturbances linked to "Chrestus"), The Babylonian Talmud (Jewish text accusing Jesus of sorcery), Thallus (explaining crucifixion darkness as an eclipse), Lucian of Samosata (satirist mocking Christians for worshipping a crucified leader), and Celsus (critic calling Jesus a deceiver born out of wedlock).
Why ponder? The teachings of jesus and the one true church is real
@@commentsbydjb3821 Matthew 7:7 says, "Seek and you will find," encouraging us to actively pursue faith and understanding.
World is sleeping on the Shroud y’all. It’s a miracle for all to see and examine as forensic evidence. One of the most amazing miracles ever
I was able to see Dr Robert Rucker when he spoke here in Ann Arbor it was convincing but I needed no convincing as I've believed since I first learned of it. We have an amazing copy and display at our local Catholic Church where he spoke that is absolutely amazing!!!
First selfie. The Resurrection. God has an epic sense of humor
@@joedavid82 Awesome!
Of all of God's miracles this is the only one that can be physically analyzed. All of His other miracles are recorded but unable to be empirically examined. Every conceived test has been performed on this linen cloth.
joedavid82 He certainly does!
*The carbon dating was done on an edge of the Shroud that had been repaired during the time it dated to by the nuns that lived in the convent of the church that held the shroud during that time. They repaired it by a process called “invisible weaving”; an incredibly intricate process where you take the end of one strand of broken thread and twist the end of a new strand of the same material thread onto it, do this with all the individual threads of the broken area, and then weave the new threads into the opposite side of the fabric the broken ends used to be attached to. The Shroud had gone through a fire and the silver lining the inside of the box the Shroud was being held in had melted from the heat and dripped onto the cloth, singing the edges and the four corners where it was folded. (You can still see the eight singed areas on the shroud- they’re the oblong, equidistant darkened areas.) The nuns repaired the edges but left the burnt folds (originally corners of the folded cloth; inner areas of the cloth when unfolded) because those areas were too large and located on the inner portion of the cloth.*
*The areas of the edge that were clipped for carbon dating included the fibers of this invisible weaving, which indeed would have dated to the time when the nuns repaired the cloth. That’s all the carbon dating proves. Not the original date the entire Shroud was initially woven.*
So now they say baksiez?? The Vatican didnt know the fabric was altered??? They don't know stuff that even you as a youtube commenter know? They just give the modified part to scientist? Why did they do that? Give me one explanation. And second. It has been 20-30 years and they didn't give another "non repaired by nuns" part. The fact they didn't proves without a doubt they are lying.
"The Lord covers himself with light as a garment.." ❤ psalms 104:2
He IS the. LIGHT in eternity
Bible. Revelation 21:23
[23]And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
I consider myself to be relatively well educated in many of the concepts discussed by Mr. Rucker. And I could not shoot any holes in his hypothesis apart from his (understandable) enthusiasm for the root cause of the VCRB event. Other than some missed analogies that may have made some of the topics more relatable (ie: resistance of wires causing heat for his electron "flow" causing only 2u depth of discoloration), I buy all of his hypothesis. I particularly like his bottom up approach to the problem, you cannot go far off track in science by following that approach.
I always approach these ST shows cautiously, but Bob made a believer out of me for the VCRB hypothesis. Well done, this deserves more serious attention.
Thank you for your input..!
Thank you. it takes a little more to convince very smart people of its authenticity. i wasnt convinced right away. it took my own hours and months of research
@@jaynesegman7847 I also have been interested in the Shroud for many years, I remember the research group being granted physical access at the time and the ensuing media frenzy over it. I also remember the release of the first carbon dating info and the almost joyous media frenzy over that. But I was skeptical of the CD data once some very smart folk explained the potential distortions to the date caused by organic material and the sample location on the Shroud. To me, Mr. Rucker's Physics based analysis seals the deal. No doubt that this was an "extra-natural" event.
this man is legend.. what an absolutely epic opportunity to hear from such an expert with over decades of research on this sacred relic.. the technology that is now available at present seems to indicate that the undeniable truth of its authenticity to be exposed, is now.. God’s Plan and Divine Timing?!
As Dr. Einstein once said: "God does not play dice with the universe"
As a nuclear tech/xray tech im amazed at possible the first xray image ever with motion shown could be the shroud. Xray film is made of silver bromide and the shroud has silver woven in? Wow
Happy to hear from a nuc expert regarding this for first time ever.
It is truly fascinating!
somebody was experimenting way before we have recorded history of it
??? Did you watch it? It’s linen, not AgBr.
I did some research and there is no silver or silver bromide in or on the shroud.
im also of high intelligence. im stunned
This is fascinating. I know little about the physics, but can follow along well enough. It’s like the universe. We can explain a lot, but not when, where, and why did it begin.
The Bible tells us when by using the genealogies from Adam to Abraham...6000 years since Creation week.
Really good idea to have a follow up chat with questions. I am looking forward to watching that!
The FACT that ONLY the outermost surface area of the thread/fibers were affected (discolored) = is very compelling!
@@GodFamilyHonorCountry agreed. it is beyond a curiosity.
yes. paint would sink in
I've been watching several studies on the shroud lately from non- theologians who are simply experts in their field, and I'm becoming more and more convinced everyday that the shroud is genuine. The fact that they have detected scourge marks that was on the body, the resting positioning of the fingers caused due to where the nails were hammered into the wrist, the positioning of the knees (indicating they were not broken as mentioned in the Bible), the way the body was wrapped while in rigor mortis. There's a ton of evidence out there for sure, and it's becoming more and more evident as these studies go along.
Start reading the Bible and use your common sense because regarding SPICES and IMAGE some STURP (Shroud of Turin Research Program 1978 to 1981) findings confirm very good that the Shroud cannot be the authentic burial cloth of Jesus:
I. SPICES
According to the Gospel of John the body was CERTAINLY wrapped/bound in linen cloths WITH the spices:
John 19
39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh(a) and aloes(b), about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom.
Jesus died around 3 pm and Sabbath started around 6 pm. So, enough time to take the body from the cross, to wrap it according to the burial custom of Jews at that time and to transport Jesus to the nearby rock-tomb. Nothing else was done there.
So, there must be at least non biodegradable particles and stains like it is claimed for blood. But there was/is EMPHASISED NOTHING(c). Already that is enough to disprove the Shroud, comparing it with the biblical account.
II. IMAGE
And the image itself is a contradiction. There is no shading of the bodys' sides and the top of the head? Also the contact-distance pattern of the backside doesn't correspond the forensic pattern of a dead body lying e.g. on a plate. Folds, overlappings and wavy areas are inevitable as shown in a Shroud wrapping simulation video to explain "scientifically" the blood stain pattern.(d)
III. FAZIT
Both, wrapping together with spices never would have resulted in such an undistorted 2D projection image. And other "scientific" discussions are irrelevant as long there is NO BIBLICAL EVIDENCE that Jesus was wrapped in something like the Shroud.
IV. NOTES
(a) myrrh: Is an oily rubbery resin which is obtained from the solidified sap of myrrh shrub/tree (genus Commiphora). The resin is dissolvable in water and e.g. olive oil, can be powdered and has among others a spicy pleasant scent.
(b) aloes: Is either the resin which is obtained from the solidified sap of the eagle tree (Aquilaria agallocha) or in this case it is probably the evaporated extract from the fleshly leaves of Aloe vera or Aloe succotrina.
(c) Barrie Schwortz
"Excerpt of STURPs 1981 final report:
... Microchemical evaluation has indicated NO EVIDENCE OF ANY SPICES, OILS, or any biochemicals known to be produced by the body in life or in death.
It is clear that there has been a DIRECT CONTACT OF THE SHROUD WITH A BODY, which explains certain features such as scourge marks, as well as the blood."
(d) David Rolfe
"Shroud of Turin - How the Shroud wrapped the body"
There are two parts - the links you can find on my channels' Playlist. As you will see no use of 32 kg spices because it doesn't work with something like the Shroud.
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I have also become enamored by the Shroud especially in the last decade. When dozens of prestigous scientists have devoted so much effort in its analysis using the most sophisticated equipment in the world what are the chances of it being other than authentic? It's the most thoroughly investigated relic in the world. The image uncannily matches the scriptural description to the last detail. It cannot be replicated....how does anyone replicate a supernatural event? A special type of radiation appears to be the key and yet we are unable to understand it.
@@theodorematuga7978
So all things from the past that cannot be explained/replicated/reproduced must be divine miracles or the works of aliens as some gullible people believe.
It's clear that the image matches the Scripture. Do you think that forgers were/are fools?
But the Shroud DOESN'T MATCH THE BURIAL DESCRIPTIONS in the Scripture. Jesus was wrapped in linen cloths WITH about 30 kg spices. How to do that using something like the Shroud?
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Prove me to be biblically wrong if you can.
im also of high intelligence. i agree
All you just proved is that whoverer did this also knows and has read the Bible. Which narrows it down to 2 bilion... My bet the crazy church elders did this to a random guy. And they do know their Bible. So they did do everything correctly.
Before I become a little critical, I'd like to say that I very much enjoy Mr Rucker's analysis, it's fascinating.
I keep hearing people referring to the image as 'The crucified man in the shroud', he has a name, his name is Jeshua (Jesus) say it! now I understand that you cannot say for certain who it is, BUT who else in history has been crucified in such a way? Who else had a crown of thorns placed on his head, and had a spear wound to the side of his body?
Flogging and crucifixions were extremely common in ancient Rome, as was the spear thrust into the side of the victim to make sure he was dead, before they brought him down to be buried. The crown of thorns is the only unique part of the crucifixion of Jesus.
@shannonhenson609 It was not 'extremely common', they did it sometimes, as they also sometimes broke their legs.
But what is mostly unique by far, is obviously the image formation on the cloth, there isn't anything like it in existence.
Snuff iconology?
Where else do all the Holy Relics come from?
@@DEE-qu5mc its ok to be critical and speak your mind. Can we say with certainty this is the burial shroud of Jesus? I cant because I do not have enough real data about the shroud. Do I think this is the shroud of Jesus? Yes I do but I can't prove it yet beyond a reasonable doubt.
Keep the faith DEE!
Yeshua Adonai ❤
More and more I am of the opinion is that the Shroud was intended for us, for our time, and for the future. In the past people possessed easy belief in God and Jesus; nowadays, people are more cynical, less inclined to believe in God and the existence of Jesus. The figure formed within the Shroud was not that obvious to people in the past; however, with modern Science, the image is properly revealed and the mystery of Jesus' resurrection made clear.
Bingo
If a God or son of God wanted to make things obvious there are infinitely better ways than this.
Very well said...I agree. This knowledge is being revealed to a more cynical age. This is no accident.
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary but for those who disbelieve, no amount of proof wIll suffice"
God provides proof of Christ’s resurrection!! I wonder what happens next. It’s like “last call!”
You have said what I have always thought!!!
Imagine the first photograph ever was that of Jesus!
God so loved His Son he took a picture of Him for our memories.
It's not a photograph, it's a painting.
What a Camera....📷📸💥✝️
Exactly - on non photographic material!
It is an elecrochemically-formed image.
Well I don’t understand it all, but I would love to hear a panel discussion into Rucker’s theory with multiple physicists on both sides of the Christian faith. Perhaps we could also have Rucker address any peer review of his various papers. In any case, I think we are comfortably beyond any credible forgery argument.
I saw the Shroud of Torrent for the first time when I was a kid, and I am 62 years old today. I knew that it was Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Respectfully: it’s not Torrent but Turin which is the English version of Torino. This is the name of North Italian city that houses the shroud
@@AnikoMattisonI’m guessing the predictive feature on their phone made the mistake, I’m also 62 and I get it.
Happy belated Birthday dear!
Betcha it was alien technology...Jesus is an alien created being to.lead us from astray. A new Jesus hopefully will reappear in these days starting in 2020
My French Family had custody of a Chalice , some thorns and the shroud in its journey . There is genetic imprinting from the component of the event that for some in my family is tangible regarding purpose and need with humorous consequences .
It is a very penetrating sense of touch that is personally challenging . Being imperfect .
well done. thanks for sharing
if the image was formed when the shroud was wrapped snuggly on the body would we not see a distorted image when the cloth was flattened out thereafter? The image we see presently suggests it was formed while the cloth was very flat above and below the body as there are no distorted image parts due to wrinkled, wrapped or bundled cloth.
Or have I missed something important?
Thanks for the vids Mike.
There was a tv examination of the shroud that sought to reconstruct the face that made the image that is on the cloth. You can find that image if you google something like forensic or digital examination of the shoud image.
Since we have no idea how the image was actually formed, even if a radiation event, and since it must be a miracle, it can be any way God wants it to be.
@sliglusamelius8578 thats true and I appreciate your view. I'm simply fascinated by this item and just chasing down the angles to possibly find unasked questions and others observations, such as yours!
Thanks!
Absolutely. Completely over scientific. The image would be distorted and there would be a gap between front and back head images. It's undoubtedly a fake.
@@davidgallahair1206 It's a valid and good question, my friend. Perhaps recreations/3d models took account of this.
This is an outstanding presentation. The fact that the image is limited to the uppermost 0.2 micrometers of the thread is overwhelming evidence for a non-natural explanation. I don't see how a Medieval artist/forgery could have accomplished this highly targeted discoloration. But even more challenging for the skeptics is the fact that the image appears on the entire circumference of these outermost threads. How would an artist applied the image to that part of a fiber's circumference facing "outward", i.e., away from the body, especially considering that part of the circumference of the discolored fiber would be pressed against other fibers within the thread, and those other adjacent fibers do not exhibit any discoloration?
As a practising Presbyterian, I always figured the shroud was a fake from the middle ages.....but I recently saw Dr Johm Campbell's video on it and have been transfixed ever since....FASCINATING. I hope people outside of the Christian world find out about the studies and challenge their findings and come to the conclusion that it may well be what they are being told ❤
Don't practising Presbyterians study the Bible to check whether this relic cult is all right?
And did John Campbell give biblical evidence that Jesus was wrapped in something like the Shroud?
According to burial descriptions in the gospels Jesus was wrapped in linen cloths (bandages/strips) WITH the spices. Nobody can explain how this could have been done using something like the Shroud.
John 19
39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 kg]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there.
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@@wipo3654 Gospel of John: stooping and looking in, he seeth the linen cloths lying; yet entered he not in.
Simon Peter therefore also cometh, following him, and entered into the tomb; and he beholdeth the linen cloths lying,
and the napkin, that was upon his head, not lying with the linen cloths, but rolled up in a place by itself.
Strips/Bandages only? How do you know they were? That's just your own interpretation, nothing more. So by your interpretation, it would mean that he was wrapped up like a mummy, which is highly unlikely.
If we go by the Gospel of John, 'linen cloths lying' is mentioned, what could that mean? It could mean the linen shroud, including the linen strips, which would be used to tie up the body and keep the shroud in place, which makes sense. And if we go by Mathew's Gospel, 'Joseph (of Arimathea) took the body, and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth', notice cloth is mentioned, which obviously would be a sheet, not just cloths or strips to wrap the body.
'It was not until Roman times, that the body was wrapped in a sheet, while a cloth was placed over the face, and the arms and legs were bound with bands', bands being the strips/bandages that you mentioned.
So much for your, no one can explain how this could of been, as in Jesus being wrapped in cloths (bandages/strips), again, it's your own interpretation, if Jesus being wrapped in cloths is mentioned elsewhere, it doesn't necessarily mean that he was wrapped by strips/Bandages only.
@@DEE-qu5mc
Either you didn't completely read my post or you didn't get the point regarding spices. Try again:
Regarding SPICES and IMAGE some STURP (Shroud of Turin Research Program 1978 to 1981) findings confirm very good that the Shroud cannot be the authentic burial cloth of Jesus:
I. SPICES
According to the Gospel of John the body was CERTAINLY wrapped/bound in linen cloths WITH the spices:
John 19
39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh(a) and aloes(b), about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom.
Jesus died around 3 pm and Sabbath started around 6 pm. So, enough time to take the body from the cross, to wrap it according to the burial custom of Jews at that time and to transport Jesus to the nearby rock-tomb. Nothing else was done there.
So, there must be at least non biodegradable particles and stains like it is claimed for blood. But there was/is EMPHASISED NOTHING(c). Already that is enough to disprove the Shroud, comparing it with the biblical account.
II. IMAGE
And the image itself is a contradiction. There is no shading of the bodys' sides and the top of the head? Also the contact-distance pattern of the backside doesn't correspond the forensic pattern of a dead body lying e.g. on a plate. Folds, overlappings and wavy areas are inevitable as shown in a Shroud wrapping simulation video to explain "scientifically" the blood stain pattern.(d)
III. FAZIT
Both, wrapping together with spices never would have resulted in such an undistorted 2D projection image. And other "scientific" discussions are irrelevant as long there is NO BIBLICAL EVIDENCEthat Jesus was wrapped in something like the Shroud.
IV. NOTES
(a) myrrh: Is an oily rubbery resin which is obtained from the solidified sap of myrrh shrub/tree (genus Commiphora). The resin is dissolvable in water and e.g. olive oil, can be powdered and has among others a spicy pleasant scent.
(b) aloes: Is either the resin which is obtained from the solidified sap of the eagle tree (Aquilaria agallocha) or in this case it is probably the evaporated extract from the fleshly leaves of Aloe vera or Aloe succotrina.
(c) Barrie Schwortz
"Excerpt of STURPs 1981 final report:
... Microchemical evaluation has indicated NO EVIDENCE OF ANY SPICES, OILS, or any biochemicals known to be produced by the body in life or in death.
It is clear that there has been a DIRECT CONTACT OF THE SHROUD WITH A BODY, which explains certain features such as scourge marks, as well as the blood."
(d) David Rolfe
"Shroud of Turin - How the Shroud wrapped the body"
There are two parts - the links you can find on my channels' Playlist. As you will see no use of 32 kg spices because it doesn't work with something like the Shroud.
There are more details in a video presentation/description and comments when clicking icon W to the left-top of this comment.
I too am a practising Presbyterian and saw Dr. Campbells video. Does cause one to think. More carbon testing is needed.
Did nurse Campbell explain the pathology of the forearms and hands?
They certainly are what a bad artist would draw.
If someone tells you there's a mystery, doesn't mean there is one.
Never needed proof myself. But is very interesting how stunning YAHWEH IS!!!! Blessed be my holy SAVIOR!
yes. some of us believe right away. and some of us need much more proof. now i have it. there are different levels of scrutiny.
I just wonder if the smoke that happened during the fire could add any “carbon” to the testing area causing the carbon date to be changed. Smoke contains a large amount of carbon obviously and the whole shroud was in a fire. This is just a question about how they did the dating knowing it was soaked in smoke.
Thanks Mike.
Im Stoked
Same!
And the discoloration hypothesis is astounding.
Indeed!
The fact that the front and dorsal images have the same characteristics implies that the body floated above the lower shroud and was not in touch with it when the photograph as it were was created
Exactly…there’s no squash marks of calves in the image. It has to be suspended
@@CC-uq4hu His legs were bent from rigor mortis.
@ the image of the back of the legs is visible..but with no distortion…perhaps that is clearer. From memory rigour mortise lasts a few hours after death.
@@CC-uq4hu the back of his legs were not touching the cloth.
Since energy was required to start the endothermic reaction I propose it was the hand of God.
Argument from ignorance--the god of the gaps
Yes, exactly. A supernatural phenomenon. No doubt scientifically. 😊
I'd like to say this was great but .... I understood about every third word he said, not being a nuclear engineer myself. I'd say it was really good because I got the gist of it but I do wish you'd interjected with more questions to encourage him to try to put things in laymen's terms -- or like he's talking to a five year old. That's what some of us need, lol. I'm not up on the latest about oscillating electrical fields, sadly. This is thrilling and complicated stuff but I think more people "out there" would be excited if it was made more understandable -- just the overall conversation about this topic, not simply this podcast. Bottom seems to be that some kind of massive, vertical, and specific energetic anomaly -- aka the resurrection -- created the image.
While carbon dating in 1988 suggested the Shroud of Turin originated around the 14th century, some researchers argue that contamination from repairs after a 1532 fire may have skewed the results, with other studies indicating the cloth is actually about 2,000 years old (Fanti et al., 2013).
Well spoken with a beautiful logical hypothesis
The understanding that the resurrection and therefore divinity is a quantum event explains a lot.
It makes logical sense. Would love a talk about it though. Have you considered to invite Huge Ross ? Norway
Fascinating!! According to this man, the imprinted image on the shroud was done and a result of body tele-transportation similar to the transport in the Star Trek sci-fi series (Beam me up Scotty!!). The body was teleported and vanished in thin air at an instance and emitting a flash of light, leaving only the shroud with the image imprinted on it. This fits the Resurrection of Christ imagery we have, vanishing from his tomb and leaving only his shroud behind. This is indeed proof of the resurrection of Jesus!!
1 Corinthians 15:51-53 "Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.…"
❤😊❤
It's easy for me as a 3D artist and 3D content creator to understand what the Robert is saying. We use grayscale images to transmit information to rendering engines such as Iray which then change the appearance of the topology of an object in very close analog to what he is describing about the radiation here, albeit in a reverse fashion -- the brighter the area of the image, the more the topology of the 3D mesh in a scene is affected. Here, it is the object (the crucified man) that is creating the grayscale image. I think he's on the right track.
as a graphic technician i agree
Incredible Review... And GO Blue! Hail to the Victors....
We all love Mike, but when Robert finished his AMAZING, STUNNING PRESENTATION, Mike was totally clueless on what to say or what to ask, looking completely nervous and baffled, talking about some weird theory that has nothing to do with what Robert has just talked about. What a FANTASTIC lecture from this super gifted, talented scientist. I loved this show, watching it again right now, and we could not thank more Robert for his beautiful work, Amen! 🙏🏼
This is not a postmortem shroud, it is proved of his resurrection. Thank you to Dr Robert Rucker for your detailed information.
It's an xray of the resurection WITH MOTION
Hi
To be a photograph of the resurrection IT HAD TO BE POST MORTEM BECAUSE JESUS WAS DEAD FOR THREE DAYS PRIOR TO HIS RESURRECTION!😮
It's both.
@@toosiyabrandt8676 Yeah, idk why half of these comments are trying to be pedantic.
You can see the light/energy burst out of Christ's head at the moment of reserection. Absolutely amazing. I'm a believer...nice to see a scientist as believer too.
I don't have a clue what this guy said, but I know Christ rose!!
@@HubSheep you don’t know you believe! And you have to believe because there is no evidence to make it a fact!!
@@FactOverFiction1066Sad for you that you can’t accept the gift of eternal life…
@ sad for you you can’t accept reality! Your belief mechanism is no different to fairy’s & goblins
@ womp womp… go cope bud, continue finding solace in being ignorant…
@@FactOverFiction1066 womp womp, cope more. Your viewpoint is shrouded in ignorance, kinda a sad/tough way to live
Please please pls come back around to implications with Dr. Rucker!!
It's certainly a different and plausible explanation unlike any other.
Intuitively I arrived at the same cause of the shroud's image 15 years ago. I didn't know of any simalar hypothesis at that time.
That's awesome!
Funny : it also happened to me about 15 years ago !
I had the same intuition.
What still bother me in this hypothesis of nuclear split is how making a uni directional vertical radiation ... in theory, this should be omni directional and cause a blur image.
The fact is that the image is focused...
You have any theorical explanation on that ? Robert admitted the fact as part of resurrection process...
Still a lot to do before understanding how God proceeded !
Best wishes for 2025 !
This is the time of Grace. Of the Gentiles. We must go into the world to preach the gospel of Christ. What a great way to start a conversation with the more “ intellectual “ type of friend. Praise Jesus!
Jeshua was his name. The Romans changed His name “Romanized” it. The name He was born with is Jeshua
I used to criticise Catholics for their reverence of relics. But just imagine had the reformation got the upper hand and all the relics were destroyed. Just think of that. And Dieci e Lode (Kudos) to Rucker… I have seen countless presentations and I think this beats them all.
Mercifully, the shroud was hidden in monasteries from the "iconoclasts."
Best news I've heard in a very long while. What comes to mind: . The response of the Apostle Tomas to Jesus when Jesus appeared to the gathering in the room after Jesus death, shocking all of course, Tomas said to Jesus : " My Lord, and my God"!
He really opened up this conversation very well. Speaking right to the point on the carbon dating topic.
Sometimes, it seems a bit overwhelming and possibly confusing for someone who has no foreknowledge on both carbon dating and discussing neutrons.
I wonder something...
Does anyone think it's possible that when the particular section was selected for dating, was it done so because there was a hypothesis that it would in fact point to a later date, simply because it was a rewoven piece of cloth.
Meaning that some people desired to have the Shroud seem like it couldn't possibly belong to Jesus. In a maliciously calculated manner.
Even if that was so, with Mr. Rucker provides excellent scientific calculation and explanation. Essentially canceling out the "hopes" of some who desired to steal faith away from the Shroud.
I pray The information provided by Bob Rucker become widely recognized and accepted by many with joy.
Praise Jesus. King of Kings. Our Amazing Lord.
And, the greatest of friends. 😊
God Bless
I bet freemasons were the one who examined it.
Seriously.
They would not want the authenticity of the shroud to be verified.
Freemasons still control the vatican.
That would be why the vatican wont allow the shroud to be looked at again.
I thought the C-14 dating was explained by them taking a piece of cloth that had been repaired?
He Lives!
Believing can be as difficult as one WANTS it to be, but as EASY as one NEEDS it to be.
great comment. thanx
Wish they could find shroud of Lazarus, would it be the same
Interesting thought! I would argue that they wouldn’t necessarily be the same. Christ brought Lazarus back to ordinary human life while his own Resurrection is qualitatively different in scope - what Paul mysteriously refers to as a “spiritual body.”
FWIW and at the risk of muddying the waters the writings of Maria Valtorta describe the Shroud and the energy involved in the formation of the image, remembering that the wounds are not part of the image per se.
There is a Research Institute out of Palermo Sicily. The mans name is Guiseppe Maria Catalano…. Called the International Institute for Advanced Studies of Space Representation Sciences. Phenomenal Research and video on youtube as well… I have seen the fruits up close on the thorn crown, there are very clear chains on the mans wrists. There is a distinct image of a hexagonal shaped Talisman hanging on a cord or chain from the Crown of Thorns. If you use a magnifying glass you can look at the wrists and clearly see he was still in chains ! I emailed the Late Barrie Swartz about the Talisman but my image was not clear enough for Barry to see over the internet. The Shroud is a Real Holy Relic!
Interesting! Thanks for sharing - I'll check it out.
I’ve watched that video several times . Scientific and very well researched and explained for amateurs.
@@TheGraciousGuestvideo on UA-cam, accompanying presentation available on ResearchGate.
Sure it is, and Muhammad split the moon in two.
Sure it is, and Muhammad split the moon in two.
Not being a scientist some parts were hard to follow but I got the majority of it. Which means it can only be a miracle and I already knew that !!
@Thegraciousone Check Roger Spurr and his bacterial to enzyme ideas about biology. Basically the cells of the individual on the Shroud, were activated and atomically changed by enzymes to emit radiation...for some reason, could be for repair and resurrection if I was to guess...
Question:
How do we know for sure that the 0.2 micrometer discoloration goes all the way around the fibril and not just the side facing the body?
Would have to take the word of those who made that determination. Apparently this was corroberated by others otherwise it would have been disputed.
As an agnostic, I've been interested in the Shroud for over five decades. The more we learn from it, the more questions are formed. I'm still on the fence about it being the shroud of "Jesus" but it almost certainly wasn't made by man. Its the biggest enigma in the world, and yet many people have never heard of it! That is the biggest mystery to me!
Yes I agree man cannot solve these observable facts. As a believer myself I asked in prayer sincerely for the faith to believe this was from God’s doing , and He has given me the Truth. He said “ I am the way,the Truth and the source of life, therefore no man comes to the Father except by me” !
It’s good you apparently have an open mind and honest heart to this serious piece of object, a relic from long past ago but it was so intriguing and inexplicable that (I heard it’s the most investigated thing in all of history of humanity.
I hold a PhD (and masters) in physics and I am a Christian, but there are a good number of issues I have with this explanation, and in the spirit of his statement "a hypothesis must explain all the facts we know already" I would raise these four comments (I have plenty more, but I'll stick to the topic specific to his explanation):
Since when is linen an "electrical conductor" for the electrical current to flow on its surface? Flow of electrons alone is difficult to argue let alone on its surface.
Also, he said that teeth were absorbent. Therefore, we should expect them to be darker (in the negative of the shroud shown in the slides), any absorbing medium should be darker and any emitting volume should be brighter.
The problem with all colimated beams is that in the absence of absorbing medium, their brightness does not decay at any cross-section of the beam. For example, a well-collimated laser light will appear just as bright 1m away as 1km away. He argues that what we are seeing is the effect of absorption of air between the Proton-neutron source (from splitting deuterium) and the cloth.
The trouble is, the when I crunch the numbers (the scattering absorption of air being about 2 barns and the number density of atoms is well known) , the mean free path of a low-energy (thermal) neutron through air is around 50 meters. This means that the air gap of around 5cm cm will absorb only 0.1% of the radiation. This predicts that the discolouration on the eyes (less that 5cm) compared to the nose (directly in contact) should only be less than 0.1% weaker which is not the case. Basically, the type of radiation he proposes would not produce enough contrast for us to distinguish between the nose and the eyes or any other features and it disagrees with the strong (of the order of tens of percent) discolouration differences on the shroud. The air is not nearly absorbent enough to protons/neurons to encode the air gap thickness information on these scales.
If he had proposed electrons, then maybe, (I'd have to check), but he didn't and he didn't offer any even back of an envelope maths to support his claim.
Last but not least, hair is already dead, so it needs no resurrection. Why is hair clearly the brightest on the image?
Could the shroud been wet from sweat water or some blood making electrical flow on the surface possible?
This other question I have is sort of wacky, but hear me out 😂 The ufo craft is hypothesized to beam a body into a craft, and is it possible the electromagnetic radiation of the body flowing through the fabric leave the impression. I don’t believe it this, but have thought about it.
@@bpd8426 as to the first question, we need to remember that the resurrection happened more than 24h after the body was laid in the tomb, the cloth would have been dry by now.
Your idea with a beam from the outside cannot work, just as he said. It would not deposit the information of the shape of the body on the shroud. It would be just a dark patch with no features. Moreover, it would have discoloured the linen through and through since the beam needs to penetrate completely through the linen to reach the body.
If we are considering radiation hypotheses, it had to originate from the body.
For the pontential distortion that should have been in the shroud I have this theory:
Progressive Radiation Emission and Proportionality
If we imagine that the radiation emanated from the body continuously and in all directions, with intensity proportional to the proximity of the cloth, it could have created a more accurate projection, similar to the effect observed in orthopantomography. In this case, the Shroud's cloth would have "recorded" the image according to the intensity of the radiation over time, rather than receiving a single "burst" that would have caused more obvious distortions.
This model would explain how the cloth, even though it was wrapped around the body in a curved form, could have recorded a proportionate image without significant distortion. It is as if each point on the cloth acted as a "local detector," adjusting the intensity based on the distance to the body, creating a flatter effect in the final image.
@@manuelobster what does time of exposure have to do with geometry?
Geometry is not affected by whether it was a burst or a long process. It's only a result of the direction. Whether the radiation was colimated or not.
You seem to be claiming it was not. Unfortunately, as stated in the video (and I agree), a non-collimated radiation would cause a blurry image.
For example, if you removed a lens from a camera and too pictures, they would be so blurry as to be completely illegible. This is because each point on the imaged object radiates in all directions, so it irradiates many different points on the screen. Consequently, each point on the screen receives signal from multiple sources and it all becomes a blur.
Orthopantomography works by producing a series of colimated beams that pass radially inwards and then outwards through the head.
The problem is that, if you look at such images you will immediately see they are nothing like an image on the shroud. Look at one and pay attention to how extremely wide the jawbone appears on these tomographies. These are actually very much like face texture maps and this is what the shroud ought to look like, but it doesn't. Your solution doesn't solve anything. It suffers from the same problem.
Fascinating and awesome
Thanks so much! More to follow :-)
I look forward that this time Robert hopefully will be presenting a part that gives detailed Bible based answers/explanations to the following questions:
(1) What is the correct bible translation of the Greek word “sindón” - “a linen shroud/sheet/cloth” or “linen cloth” as generalmaterial description?
(2) What happened to the “burial spices” - a 32 kg sticky mixture of myrrh and aloes?
(3) What the women intended to do after Sabbath - “anointing” or “burial spicing”?
(4) Why to use an extra head cloth „soudarion“ when wrapping a body in something like the Shroud?
(5) What convinced the people in the 1st century that Jesus rose the third day?
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Why are there no side or top images transmitted?
44:09 Robert proposes it was vertically collimated
Wait... But I thought the carbon dating was wrong. Taken from a rewoven section, and wasn't done properly based on the data.
I know nothing but when you bring up radiation it makes me think of the ark of the covenant . The sickness experienced of people being around it resembling radiation sickness. Just a weird connection my mind went to 🤷♀️
Decades of years, the miraculous Shroud was one of the most importantly decisive reasons for me to believe Jesus. And then with some real experiences with Jesus, I had to say Jesus and His love are true more than any truth on earth.
So Dr. Rucker, you have reverse engineered the physics for the intense bursts of alternating radiation, but what provided the energy for the deuterium nuclei split? Was it something in the limestone, but no, it had to come from inside the body, what was it? Thank you for your very clear presentation!
what provided the energy for the deuterium nuclei split? that's the real question.
@@paulherbert5548or who?
I enjoyed John Campbell's video on the shroud of Turin. I thought the resurrection itself caused the photographic image.
He is risen!
This is the proof that He was risen!
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It doesn't seem to make sense that there is no image of sides of the body, top of the head or bottom of the feet. I didn't really see any good explanation of that from Bob.
Good point
@@bluebadger3223 you are correct that is rather puzzling as we are presuming the shroud was wrapped around the whole body. This raises some questions for me as well about distorted cloth, over-lapping cloth and many more questions. We still have alot of work to do.
The radiation was oscillating up and down and not side to side. You weren't listening !
@@Lindamartin-ml1nv Doesn't make any sense to me. Is there another example of that happening anywhere?
Im curious if it has Radiation? Surely it would
Is this also a description of how rapture of Christians occurs?
To boil this down to a sentence...can we say the transfer of the image on both sides is the result of a nuclear fax machine or copier? Clearly burning from the inside of the shroud and outward?
My big question is why the oscillation would be perfectly vertical only? Outside of gravity, there isn't any difference between one direction or another. What prevents every other oscillation direction in the reaction?
That's why this makes no sense, radiation only going up and down from the skin's surface and with with no blocking from bones. It should look like an xray.
This is also one of my question.
Robert explaination is to admit that there is this vertical oscillation causing electrostatic field as if the top and bottom sides of the shroud were electrical condenser plates...
This is plausible but as far as I know, we are unable to experiment deuterium disintegration emitting protons in only one specific direction...
Still a lot to do in order to understand God resurrection process !
Best wishes for 2025 !
The discoloration displays a 'skin effect' similar to what you see in high voltage transmission lines where the electricity travels on the outer skin of the bundle of wires and not through the middle of it, and the higher the frequency the further out on the skin of the wire the current travels.
Where is the source data that online the circumference of the fibres are discoloured? Assuming the 1978 investigation, then where.. link?
What gets me is the image was created while stretched flat, not a draped over image, otherwise when stretched out it would be distorted, an elongated image. You take a round cylinder, paint it, wrap a pillow cover 3/4's around it, take it off and stretch it flat, the image wont be the same view as the actual cylinder. Next would be the 3 or 4 distinct distortions in the shroud that shows movement during the forming of the image which may conclude different consecutive bursts of energy. I'm curious if it can be determined if the shroud was affected by an outward direction or outside inward or both? What are the odds of just those outer single fibers having a substance on them during the making/weaving of the cloth before it was completed. Is it possible to recreate how that limited weave style was manufactured? Exactly what the process included, how the material was treated/handled before the weave being constructed. In the back of my head, I'm still thinking this had something to do with a soul, an energy source we have also yet to explain, exiting/returning to its restored body. Jesus would have had a soul of significant energy, knowledge and unlimited access to our physical world. According to the parameters of the image, was the body floating above the stone at that moment or still resting on the bottom half of the fabric? The blood stains are placed within the image on both halves, if they were soaked into the cloth while it was draped around, some stains would appear outside of the image when the shroud is stretched flat. If the bottom half of the shroud was mostly laid flat under the body and the top half was draped over, both images would not be exactly the same, so both sides had to be in the same physical state as the miracle occurred. Were the single fibers of the bottom half of the shroud also only affected on the outside when stretched flat, or the opposite side relative to the top image? Guessing it was the outside on both halves as folded. Let the miracle remain a miracle, that's all I can say. When so many people are standing on pins and needles about this subject, and the rest taking it all on faith, it keeps reminding me how god said not to worship false idols. To me that includes his son and messenger, Jesus, his mother, the cross or pieces thereof, his cup, his shoes, his burial places, his missing body and associated materials, weeping or bleeding statues of representation, incorruptible bodies of other humans or the implied bones of his disciples and subsequent saints, the list goes on. I constantly hear the phrases praise Jesus and praise Mary, when god was dead against it. It's not outside the great deceiver's job description or abilities to trick people into going against the ten suggestions. God made a covenant with us, not Moses, not Jesus or his followers, Not Mary, not even the Vatican or it's criminal subcontractors. God has no reason to be blanketing us with all these clues, hints or reminders. He said he'd never cause another flood to wipe us out, this time I think hes letting us create our own demise. He slapped down the tower of Babel like nobodies business and changed all of our languages to disperse us, our very last, current and continuing test. He didn't ask any of us to sacrifice our children like Abraham, who had an iron clad faith in his god, he simply wanted us to learn how to communicate again and come together as a whole, everything in between is just cannon fodder, we just keep on creating reasons and excuses not to worship god as he intended or his simple commandments. We may all be different in all aspects of life, but the one single common denominator within us all is our one true connection to god, our immortal golden soul. Because we can't explain it with science, we set it aside or dismiss it all together. Now we found a new way to piss off god... the created have become the creator, we'er so smart we think we can supersede god's covenant and get all the answers we need from our own version of the tower of Babel. At least we did learn that towers can serve other purposes than to boast of our greatness and they don't actually lead to heaven's gate. We did take something away from that example, but not all of the lesson.
Jesus is not a false idol ! You need to study about the Trinity. Father, Son (Jesus) and Holy Spirit are all the same GOD .
@@Lindamartin-ml1nv From which book did you find that tid bit? Which Jesus are you referring to?
@@Lindamartin-ml1nv We are all souls from the hands of god, as was his messenger, the prophet Jesus. Jesus is not god or a god. God never intended his son to be worshiped, as he stated. Only god is to be worshiped, praised or glorified. Everyone has been breaking that commandment. You probably got your info from the paganized blasphemous roman handbook.
@@Lindamartin-ml1nv You need to study history closer.
Comprehensive evidence .
Incredible video, deserves way more views. Only recently became a believer in Jesus Christ myself and this is astounding evidence
Yes, this is literally an INCREDIBLE video. Great that you believe in Jesus Christ. But please do not build your faith on relics and learn to prove with the Bible.
According to the GOSPELS' CONTEXT the Shroud of Turin CANNOT BE the authentic burial cloth of Jesus Christ:
The Shroud cult starts with misleading biased Bible translations of the Greek word SINDON as "a linen shroud/sheet/cloth". But there is no indefinite article "a" in the original Greek texts of Matthew 27:59, Mark 15:46 and Luke 23:53, e.g.:
Mark 15:46 ESV
"And Joseph bought a linen shroud ..."
In this case there are 3 Greek words only:
"KAI AGORASAS SINDONA ..."
This literally translated:
"And having bought linen cloth ..."
So, the CONTEXT is decisive and the correct unbiased translation/interpretation of SINDON must be "linen cloth" as general material description because Joseph of Arimathea bought ALL the needed burial linen cloth: bandages/strips (OTHONION) and the head cloth (SOUDARION).
And the apostle John didn't mention SINDON in his gospel because he also didn't mention the all-inclusive purchase of Joseph of Arimathea. Also the apostle John focused more on the burial and resurrection details and there is nothing described like the Shroud.
John 19
39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 kg]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there.
John 20
5And stooping to look in, he [JOHN] saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, but he did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, 7and the face cloth [SOUDARION], which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths [OTHONION] but folded up in a place by itself.
Nicodemus organised about 32 kg burial spices. He was a leading Rabbi who knew WHAT was needed, HOW MUCH and that there was ENOUGH TIME to do the burial spicing that later should suppress the smell of decomposition. Jesus died around 3 pm and Sabbath started around 6 pm. Enough time to take the body from the cross, to wrap/bind the body in linen cloths (OTHONION) W I T H the spices between those bandages/strips according to the burial custom of Jews at that time. Jesus was transported to the nearby rock-tomb and laid in there. Nothing else was done in the tomb.
As described by the apostle John, the burial wrapping/spicing was completely done according to burial custom of Jews at that time. This was observed by the women. After Sabbath the women intended to anoint Jesus. ANOINTING is something completely different than the BURIAL SPICING and according to the New Testament it concerned mainly the head/hair, as an act of honour.
Mark 16
1When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint [ALEIPSOSIN] him.
The head cloth (SOUDARION) fully covered the head and the rest of the body was wrapped/bound in linen cloths (OTHONION]) with the spices between those bandages/strips. The head cloth was part of the burial custom of Jews at that time. Once added, it remained on the head, as we can see in the gospel of John as well:
John 11:44
44The man [Lazarus] who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with linen strips, and his face wrapped with a cloth [SOUDARION]. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”
Some commentators are mentioning a Jewish tradition that a master, when leaving a dining table, either left his napkin (SOUDARION) unfolded to say: "I am finished", or he folded it to say: "I will come back!"
I couldn't verify this tradition but it's a central pillar of Christian faith that Jesus will come back to establish His kingdom of peace.
As shown above, there is linguistically and logically NO EVIDENCE for something like the Shroud in the gospels. It clearly contradicts the burial custom of (rich) Jews at that time and it didn‘t play any role from the beginning of the real church of Christ/God. No Shroud was and is needed to believe in the resurrection and overall in Jesus Christ.
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Be blessed - SHALOM!
Thanks so much! More to follow :-)
How much does The Shroud itself weigh and its cubic volume in cm/in?
Thanks for the vids and experts discussing this relic Mike.
I'm not sure about the weight. I'll have to look into that!
@TheGraciousGuest thanks Mike im researching as well
I'm so glad this video appeared on my feed! I have a set of DVDs on the shroud put together by Russ Breault. Fascinating information!
This is another miracle from the Lord for modern man! Pay attention world.
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Only Izsabel Pitzak nuclear physicist has explained that the linen shroud cloth was STRETCHED TAUT OVER AND UNDER THE BODY WHEN THE FRONT AND BACK IMAGES WERE RECORDED ON THE CLOTH WITH THE RADIATION PROCESS WHICH DISLOCATED THE PRIOR IMPRINTS OF THE BLOOD STAINS WHICH TRANSFERRED TO THE CLOTH WHILE DRAPED IN DIRECT CONTACT TO THE BODY!😮
I thought before that the event that caused the image might have done something to the C14. Can you calculate wether the amount of protons needed to produce the image matches the mount of neutrons needed to shift the carbon dating ( produced by splitting the Deuterium)
Can we test this by purposely making this oscillation happen to see if we get the same kind of discoloration of a linen cloth? If so, what is the likelihood of this test being performed?
I once read another "scientific" article on the Shroud, and the speculation was that it would take a number of today's nuclear plants for enough energy to :cause" this event. Good questions you have, BUT does The Creator "need" to do what you speculate OR is He capable of coming up with His own "science?"
The imprint understanding is correct where the Body arose and was taken up . That was where the heat occured although there were things beyond humans present appreciation for understanding procedures available from those from outside . This one was the first awoke of them who slept .
You are spot on . My family had the Shroud at Chambray… Understanding is simple . Being quiet enough is not ! Find yourself .
My unscientific mind connects this short, low energy outburst to the outburst of light that is observed at the moment of conception, when a sperm penetrates the egg.
Is there enough natural Deuterium in the human body to provide the necessary quantity of neutrons required for this process or did the Romans have some sort of access to heavy water? Also, corona discharge using AC is a well known process, for instance to produce ozone, but the HV is externally supplied for that. How many eV do you expect is required from the initiating event to briefly produce a plasma discharge?
Incredible!
Very interesting. His theory is just as valid as anyone else's and I tend to believe it. Those who simply say, This must be a forgery without presenting any supporting evidence, are not credible.
They don’t want to believe what is irrefutable evidence man can’t deny. God’s power is not shaken by what man thinks !! It stands ALONE .
@@johnkom2339 it’s been carbon dated 12,60-13,90 AD
EDIT: I read the paper he recommended on this and I stand corrected. I was not aware that additional samples were taken in 1988.
Just one more observation: Robert keeps referring to explaining the carbon dating result as if it was a good sample. It was NOT, a fact which has been thoroughly documented many times and which he well knows. He is not looking at one of twelve samples, he is looking at one twelfth of one sample. The curators stopped the STURP team at the last minute and had a heated argument with them about how many samples they could take and from where. STURP had been pre-approved to take a number of samples from various places on the shroud. The curators changed that at the last possible moment and allowed them only one sample from the edge of the shroud, unfortunately from an area which had been repaired through re-weaving by nuns in the middle ages. Hence the RC date that he insists on sticking to. I am enjoying his presentation so far, but with that one very very large caveat: he is using bad data which he knows to be bad data to support a premise. This is bad.
That was a grand use of scientific method to prove God did it. We are brighter for this illuminating explanation.
Is Bob familiar with Dr. Gary Habermas? I'd strongly suggest he contact him, or at least listen to his UA-cam interviews on the Shroud - very interesting and enlightening. Dr. Habermas relates information from more recent carbon dating as well as information on the thread samples taken.
Yeah, I totally followed all that :)
Thought this was Ty from Dude Perfect doing a character for a sec... 🧐😆😉
I love mysteries and this is a great one. I can't critique the nuclear physics hypothesis but I can accept that some kind of energy emanated from the body and "burned" the image on the linen. This is a unique phenomenon. However, it seems too much of a leap to conclude that this proves resurrection. This shows me that Dr. Rucker is a Christian and has a need to convince himself of the resurrection but his logic fails and this need causes him to jump prematurely to this conclusion. I put this in the category of unexplained phenomenon that are not uncommon among saints including indian gurus, and Islamic saints. Nevertheless, it is good to have a serious scientist studying this and I hope he can make progress in explaining how a dying body can produce this energy. I would like to see Dr. Rucker look for other energetic phenomena among living saints that might help clarify this. The Dalai Lama has been open to applying science to meditation. Perhaps he should interview the Dalai Lama who might be able to suggest other avenues of research!
There aren't 34 pages in the only document that I can get to. What am I missing here?
So in the carbon dating of 1978, was there an error in the section they took to analyze?
The shroud has had repairs over the years. The sample they studied was believed to have been a repair done 1400 years ago
Wow this is extremely fascinating. Three questions. Maybe a follow up video goes into this, but:
1. Presumably the miracle itself caused an event inside Jesus that created the split of the deuterium atom. What would this look like exactly from someone observing the phenomenon? Like if I was inside the tomb when this happened, what would I see?
2. Have any experimental tests been done to split these deuterium atoms near linen to see if a similar 3D photo negative effect is produced?
3. I thought you were going to go into this more, but why aren’t the sides of Jesus on the shroud? The shroud was wide enough to be draped over the sides, I would assume the same burst would have interacted with those fibers.
Great video, and unique perspective. I immediately dismissed the shroud as a fake after hearing the testing results from the 1980s, but strongly feel those were erroneous and the more we learn now, the more I am convinced.
I have always found the perfect symmetry of the impression on the shroud...troubling. A corpse would not be 'poised', as the shroud depicts. Also, the 'wrapping' of a cadaver would not result in such symmetrical transfer onto cloth.
Or so I posit.
The body of Jesus was in rigor. He was not poised. The Shroud never did wrap the body of Jesus. There was not time to do so. He was laid on the bottom half and the top half folded over him. Then they had to stop for the observation of the Sabbath. When they returned to finish preparing the body he had already been resurrected.
Yes, the Shroud is a FAKE because regarding SPICES and IMAGE some STURP (Shroud of Turin Research Program 1978 to 1981) findings confirm very good that the Shroud cannot be the authentic burial cloth of Jesus:
I. SPICES
According to the Gospel of John the body was CERTAINLY wrapped/bound in linen cloths WITH the spices:
John 19
39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh(a) and aloes(b), about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom.
Jesus died around 3 pm and Sabbath started around 6 pm. So, enough time to take the body from the cross, to wrap it according to the burial custom of Jews at that time and to transport Jesus to the nearby rock-tomb. Nothing else was done there.
So, there must be at least non biodegradable particles and stains like it is claimed for blood. But there was/is EMPHASISED NOTHING(c). Already that is enough to disprove the Shroud, comparing it with the biblical account.
II. IMAGE
And the image itself is a contradiction. There is no shading of the bodys' sides and the top of the head? Also the contact-distance pattern of the backside doesn't correspond the forensic pattern of a dead body lying e.g. on a plate. Folds, overlappings and wavy areas are inevitable as shown in a Shroud wrapping simulation video to explain "scientifically" the blood stain pattern.(d)
III. FAZIT
Both, wrapping together with spices never would have resulted in such an undistorted 2D projection image. And other "scientific" discussions are irrelevant as long there is NO BIBLICAL EVIDENCE that Jesus was wrapped in something like the Shroud.
IV. NOTES
(a) myrrh: Is an oily rubbery resin which is obtained from the solidified sap of myrrh shrub/tree (genus Commiphora). The resin is dissolvable in water and e.g. olive oil, can be powdered and has among others a spicy pleasant scent.
(b) aloes: Is either the resin which is obtained from the solidified sap of the eagle tree (Aquilaria agallocha) or in this case it is probably the evaporated extract from the fleshly leaves of Aloe vera or Aloe succotrina.
(c) Barrie Schwortz
"Excerpt of STURPs 1981 final report:
... Microchemical evaluation has indicated NO EVIDENCE OF ANY SPICES, OILS, or any biochemicals known to be produced by the body in life or in death.
It is clear that there has been a DIRECT CONTACT OF THE SHROUD WITH A BODY, which explains certain features such as scourge marks, as well as the blood."
(d) David Rolfe
"Shroud of Turin - How the Shroud wrapped the body"
There are two parts - the links you can find on my channels' Playlist. As you will see no use of 32 kg spices because it doesn't work with something like the Shroud.
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Wal Thornhill and Monti Childs is your answer to the current . Don’t overcomplicate it because it is already how everything works . Birkland currents or the spider woman in the Hopi .