As a child of a chemistry professor and someone who has taken two years each of general and organic chemistry, this was excellent and so insightful. Thank you!
if the image was formed when the shroud was wrapped snuggly on the body would we not see a distorted image when the cloth was flattened out thereafter? The image we see presently suggests it was formed while the cloth was very flat above and below the body as there are no distorted image parts due to wrinkled, wrapped or bundled cloth. Or have I missed something important? Thanks for the vids Mike.
There was a tv examination of the shroud that sought to reconstruct the face that made the image that is on the cloth. You can find that image if you google something like forensic or digital examination of the shoud image.
Since we have no idea how the image was actually formed, even if a radiation event, and since it must be a miracle, it can be any way God wants it to be.
@sliglusamelius8578 thats true and I appreciate your view. I'm simply fascinated by this item and just chasing down the angles to possibly find unasked questions and others observations, such as yours! Thanks!
Absolutely. Completely over scientific. The image would be distorted and there would be a gap between front and back head images. It's undoubtedly a fake.
Before I become a little critical, I'd like to say that I very much enjoy Mr Rucker's analysis, it's fascinating. I keep hearing people referring to the image as 'The crucified man in the shroud', he has a name, his name is Jeshua (Jesus) say it! now I understand that you cannot say for certain who it is, BUT who else in history has been crucified in such a way? Who else had a crown of thorns placed on his head, and had a spear wound to the side of his body?
Flogging and crucifixions were extremely common in ancient Rome, as was the spear thrust into the side of the victim to make sure he was dead, before they brought him down to be buried. The crown of thorns is the only unique part of the crucifixion of Jesus.
@shannonhenson609 It was not 'extremely common', they did it sometimes, as they also sometimes broke their legs. But what is mostly unique by far, is obviously the image formation on the cloth, there isn't anything like it in existence.
He really opened up this conversation very well. Speaking right to the point on the carbon dating topic. Sometimes, it seems a bit overwhelming and possibly confusing for someone who has no foreknowledge on both carbon dating and discussing neutrons. I wonder something... Does anyone think it's possible that when the particular section was selected for dating, was it done so because there was a hypothesis that it would in fact point to a later date, simply because it was a rewoven piece of cloth. Meaning that some people desired to have the Shroud seem like it couldn't possibly belong to Jesus. In a maliciously calculated manner. Even if that was so, with Mr. Rucker provides excellent scientific calculation and explanation. Essentially canceling out the "hopes" of some who desired to steal faith away from the Shroud. I pray The information provided by Bob Rucker become widely recognized and accepted by many with joy. Praise Jesus. King of Kings. Our Amazing Lord. And, the greatest of friends. 😊 God Bless
I used to criticise Catholics for their reverence of relics. But just imagine had the reformation got the upper hand and all the relics were destroyed. Just think of that. And Dieci e Lode (Kudos) to Rucker… I have seen countless presentations and I think this beats them all.
I hold a PhD (and masters) in physics and I am a Christian, but there are a good number of issues I have with this explanation, and in the spirit of his statement "a hypothesis must explain all the facts we know already" I would raise these four comments (I have plenty more, but I'll stick to the topic specific to his explanation): Since when is linen an "electrical conductor" for the electrical current to flow on its surface? Flow of electrons alone is difficult to argue let alone on its surface. Also, he said that teeth were absorbent. Therefore, we should expect them to be darker (in the negative of the shroud shown in the slides), any absorbing medium should be darker and any emitting volume should be brighter. The problem with all colimated beams is that in the absence of absorbing medium, their brightness does not decay at any cross-section of the beam. For example, a well-collimated laser light will appear just as bright 1m away as 1km away. He argues that what we are seeing is the effect of absorption of air between the Proton-neutron source (from splitting deuterium) and the cloth. The trouble is, the when I crunch the numbers (the scattering absorption of air being about 2 barns and the number density of atoms is well known) , the mean free path of a low-energy (thermal) neutron through air is around 50 meters. This means that the air gap of around 5cm cm will absorb only 0.1% of the radiation. This predicts that the discolouration on the eyes (less that 5cm) compared to the nose (directly in contact) should only be less than 0.1% weaker which is not the case. Basically, the type of radiation he proposes would not produce enough contrast for us to distinguish between the nose and the eyes or any other features and it disagrees with the strong (of the order of tens of percent) discolouration differences on the shroud. The air is not nearly absorbent enough to protons/neurons to encode the air gap thickness information on these scales. If he had proposed electrons, then maybe, (I'd have to check), but he didn't and he didn't offer any even back of an envelope maths to support his claim. Last but not least, hair is already dead, so it needs no resurrection. Why is hair clearly the brightest on the image?
This other question I have is sort of wacky, but hear me out 😂 The ufo craft is hypothesized to beam a body into a craft, and is it possible the electromagnetic radiation of the body flowing through the fabric leave the impression. I don’t believe it this, but have thought about it.
@@bpd8426 as to the first question, we need to remember that the resurrection happened more than 24h after the body was laid in the tomb, the cloth would have been dry by now. Your idea with a beam from the outside cannot work, just as he said. It would not deposit the information of the shape of the body on the shroud. It would be just a dark patch with no features. Moreover, it would have discoloured the linen through and through since the beam needs to penetrate completely through the linen to reach the body. If we are considering radiation hypotheses, it had to originate from the body.
The fact that the front and dorsal images have the same characteristics implies that the body floated above the lower shroud and was not in touch with it when the photograph as it were was created
FWIW and at the risk of muddying the waters the writings of Maria Valtorta describe the Shroud and the energy involved in the formation of the image, remembering that the wounds are not part of the image per se.
The c14 test was already debunked because they botched the statistical and didn't see the cotton fibers interwoven in the sample. The one and only clipping was a repair patch and not representative of the entire image area
More and more I am of the opinion is that the Shroud was intended for us, for our time, and for the future. In the past people possessed easy belief in God and Jesus; nowadays, people are more cynical, less inclined to believe in God and the existence of Jesus. The figure formed within the Shroud was not that obvious to people in the past; however, with modern Science, the image is properly revealed and the mystery of Jesus' resurrection made clear.
I totally believe it's real, but what is more powerful, in my opinion, is the fact that a lot of those who had seen Jesus reserected ended up being persecuted and went to their deaths confident of salvation. Happy, many with no fear. Only seeing Jesus reserected makes sense.
Here's a brain burner for someone.. Check those old Sumerian stories, I can't recall from memory which 1 but, when the gods would bring some1 back to life, they used a device called "THE BEAM AND PULSER".. It comes up a few times.. Next brain burner, in the companion Bible appendix, see the 1st temple layout. Consider the pillars are similar to atomic crystal structures, and that the high priest wears a breast plate of 12 specific types of crystals with differing structures.. I think the layout of the temple is the blueprint of the device. Can't prove anything sitting here, but what does a laser resonator look like layed out in stones? Seems like it'd need a light source.. Like an ARK light? Perhaps?. Lol.... Have fun with that!
There is a Research Institute out of Palermo Sicily. The mans name is Guiseppe Maria Catalano…. Called the International Institute for Advanced Studies of Space Representation Sciences. Phenomenal Research and video on youtube as well… I have seen the fruits up close on the thorn crown, there are very clear chains on the mans wrists. There is a distinct image of a hexagonal shaped Talisman hanging on a cord or chain from the Crown of Thorns. If you use a magnifying glass you can look at the wrists and clearly see he was still in chains ! I emailed the Late Barrie Swartz about the Talisman but my image was not clear enough for Barry to see over the internet. The Shroud is a Real Holy Relic!
As a child of a chemistry professor and someone who has taken two years each of general and organic chemistry, this was excellent and so insightful. Thank you!
The FACT that ONLY the outermost surface area of the thread/fibers were affected (discolored) = is very compelling!
if the image was formed when the shroud was wrapped snuggly on the body would we not see a distorted image when the cloth was flattened out thereafter? The image we see presently suggests it was formed while the cloth was very flat above and below the body as there are no distorted image parts due to wrinkled, wrapped or bundled cloth.
Or have I missed something important?
Thanks for the vids Mike.
There was a tv examination of the shroud that sought to reconstruct the face that made the image that is on the cloth. You can find that image if you google something like forensic or digital examination of the shoud image.
Since we have no idea how the image was actually formed, even if a radiation event, and since it must be a miracle, it can be any way God wants it to be.
@sliglusamelius8578 thats true and I appreciate your view. I'm simply fascinated by this item and just chasing down the angles to possibly find unasked questions and others observations, such as yours!
Thanks!
Absolutely. Completely over scientific. The image would be distorted and there would be a gap between front and back head images. It's undoubtedly a fake.
Before I become a little critical, I'd like to say that I very much enjoy Mr Rucker's analysis, it's fascinating.
I keep hearing people referring to the image as 'The crucified man in the shroud', he has a name, his name is Jeshua (Jesus) say it! now I understand that you cannot say for certain who it is, BUT who else in history has been crucified in such a way? Who else had a crown of thorns placed on his head, and had a spear wound to the side of his body?
Flogging and crucifixions were extremely common in ancient Rome, as was the spear thrust into the side of the victim to make sure he was dead, before they brought him down to be buried. The crown of thorns is the only unique part of the crucifixion of Jesus.
@shannonhenson609 It was not 'extremely common', they did it sometimes, as they also sometimes broke their legs.
But what is mostly unique by far, is obviously the image formation on the cloth, there isn't anything like it in existence.
He really opened up this conversation very well. Speaking right to the point on the carbon dating topic.
Sometimes, it seems a bit overwhelming and possibly confusing for someone who has no foreknowledge on both carbon dating and discussing neutrons.
I wonder something...
Does anyone think it's possible that when the particular section was selected for dating, was it done so because there was a hypothesis that it would in fact point to a later date, simply because it was a rewoven piece of cloth.
Meaning that some people desired to have the Shroud seem like it couldn't possibly belong to Jesus. In a maliciously calculated manner.
Even if that was so, with Mr. Rucker provides excellent scientific calculation and explanation. Essentially canceling out the "hopes" of some who desired to steal faith away from the Shroud.
I pray The information provided by Bob Rucker become widely recognized and accepted by many with joy.
Praise Jesus. King of Kings. Our Amazing Lord.
And, the greatest of friends. 😊
God Bless
I used to criticise Catholics for their reverence of relics. But just imagine had the reformation got the upper hand and all the relics were destroyed. Just think of that. And Dieci e Lode (Kudos) to Rucker… I have seen countless presentations and I think this beats them all.
And the discoloration hypothesis is astounding.
Indeed!
Since energy was required to start the endothermic reaction I propose it was the hand of God.
I hold a PhD (and masters) in physics and I am a Christian, but there are a good number of issues I have with this explanation, and in the spirit of his statement "a hypothesis must explain all the facts we know already" I would raise these four comments (I have plenty more, but I'll stick to the topic specific to his explanation):
Since when is linen an "electrical conductor" for the electrical current to flow on its surface? Flow of electrons alone is difficult to argue let alone on its surface.
Also, he said that teeth were absorbent. Therefore, we should expect them to be darker (in the negative of the shroud shown in the slides), any absorbing medium should be darker and any emitting volume should be brighter.
The problem with all colimated beams is that in the absence of absorbing medium, their brightness does not decay at any cross-section of the beam. For example, a well-collimated laser light will appear just as bright 1m away as 1km away. He argues that what we are seeing is the effect of absorption of air between the Proton-neutron source (from splitting deuterium) and the cloth.
The trouble is, the when I crunch the numbers (the scattering absorption of air being about 2 barns and the number density of atoms is well known) , the mean free path of a low-energy (thermal) neutron through air is around 50 meters. This means that the air gap of around 5cm cm will absorb only 0.1% of the radiation. This predicts that the discolouration on the eyes (less that 5cm) compared to the nose (directly in contact) should only be less than 0.1% weaker which is not the case. Basically, the type of radiation he proposes would not produce enough contrast for us to distinguish between the nose and the eyes or any other features and it disagrees with the strong (of the order of tens of percent) discolouration differences on the shroud. The air is not nearly absorbent enough to protons/neurons to encode the air gap thickness information on these scales.
If he had proposed electrons, then maybe, (I'd have to check), but he didn't and he didn't offer any even back of an envelope maths to support his claim.
Last but not least, hair is already dead, so it needs no resurrection. Why is hair clearly the brightest on the image?
Could the shroud been wet from sweat water or some blood making electrical flow on the surface possible?
This other question I have is sort of wacky, but hear me out 😂 The ufo craft is hypothesized to beam a body into a craft, and is it possible the electromagnetic radiation of the body flowing through the fabric leave the impression. I don’t believe it this, but have thought about it.
@@bpd8426 as to the first question, we need to remember that the resurrection happened more than 24h after the body was laid in the tomb, the cloth would have been dry by now.
Your idea with a beam from the outside cannot work, just as he said. It would not deposit the information of the shape of the body on the shroud. It would be just a dark patch with no features. Moreover, it would have discoloured the linen through and through since the beam needs to penetrate completely through the linen to reach the body.
If we are considering radiation hypotheses, it had to originate from the body.
Thanks Mike.
The fact that the front and dorsal images have the same characteristics implies that the body floated above the lower shroud and was not in touch with it when the photograph as it were was created
Please please pls come back around to implications with Dr. Rucker!!
Im Stoked
Same!
FWIW and at the risk of muddying the waters the writings of Maria Valtorta describe the Shroud and the energy involved in the formation of the image, remembering that the wounds are not part of the image per se.
How much does The Shroud itself weigh and its cubic volume in cm/in?
Thanks for the vids and experts discussing this relic Mike.
I'm not sure about the weight. I'll have to look into that!
@TheGraciousGuest thanks Mike im researching as well
Imagine the first photograph ever was that of Jesus!
You can carbon date the shroud, but the primary question is, how was the picture created ? We don't know and we can not reproduce it.
Comprehensive evidence .
The c14 test was already debunked because they botched the statistical and didn't see the cotton fibers interwoven in the sample.
The one and only clipping was a repair patch and not representative of the entire image area
More and more I am of the opinion is that the Shroud was intended for us, for our time, and for the future. In the past people possessed easy belief in God and Jesus; nowadays, people are more cynical, less inclined to believe in God and the existence of Jesus. The figure formed within the Shroud was not that obvious to people in the past; however, with modern Science, the image is properly revealed and the mystery of Jesus' resurrection made clear.
I totally believe it's real, but what is more powerful, in my opinion, is the fact that a lot of those who had seen Jesus reserected ended up being persecuted and went to their deaths confident of salvation. Happy, many with no fear. Only seeing Jesus reserected makes sense.
Couldn’t agree more!
We used to believe utterly in Jesus and everything he said. Now we no longer believe we know.
First energy has been transformed into light, then it comes as special laser effect , the result is 4.dimensional photo😉
👀
Here's a brain burner for someone.. Check those old Sumerian stories, I can't recall from memory which 1 but, when the gods would bring some1 back to life, they used a device called "THE BEAM AND PULSER".. It comes up a few times.. Next brain burner, in the companion Bible appendix, see the 1st temple layout. Consider the pillars are similar to atomic crystal structures, and that the high priest wears a breast plate of 12 specific types of crystals with differing structures.. I think the layout of the temple is the blueprint of the device. Can't prove anything sitting here, but what does a laser resonator look like layed out in stones? Seems like it'd need a light source.. Like an ARK light? Perhaps?. Lol.... Have fun with that!
Weird....
There is a Research Institute out of Palermo Sicily. The mans name is Guiseppe Maria Catalano…. Called the International Institute for Advanced Studies of Space Representation Sciences. Phenomenal Research and video on youtube as well… I have seen the fruits up close on the thorn crown, there are very clear chains on the mans wrists. There is a distinct image of a hexagonal shaped Talisman hanging on a cord or chain from the Crown of Thorns. If you use a magnifying glass you can look at the wrists and clearly see he was still in chains ! I emailed the Late Barrie Swartz about the Talisman but my image was not clear enough for Barry to see over the internet. The Shroud is a Real Holy Relic!
Interesting! Thanks for sharing - I'll check it out.
I’ve watched that video several times . Scientific and very well researched and explained for amateurs.
@@TheGraciousGuestvideo on UA-cam, accompanying presentation available on ResearchGate.