Why College Football Video Games hit Different (What Madden can't do)
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Kofie isn’t kidding when he calls the game a universe building sandbox. You could even edit the players themselves into ANYTHING, provided they stay on the same team. You could take Tim Tebow (or Florida QB#15) and make him 7’ tall, 400lbs, decrease all his stats to 0 but increase his kicking and punting stats to 99, and make him the best kicker in the game. I know they did this in part to keep any licensing rights away from the players (which sucks), but I used to love this part of the game. I used to make entire fake rosters of players, trying to come up with some of the coolest names I could think of. It started what became an interest in etymology for names. When I got older, I found an old notebook full of some of these names, some of which were hilariously bad (Beckett Jollibrer, Leo Bronzeman, Nelson Bluu, they go on.) It inspired me, though. I got my brother’s old ps3 and a $7 copy of NCAA football ‘13 from GameStop. Now, for those still reading this long ass UA-cam comment, I want to you know that, yes, I didn’t (and still don’t, evident by this post) have a life. But I tried to see if I could come up with original enough names for the whole game. That’s 123 teams, roughly 70 players per team. That’s an estimated 8610 total. I fucking did it, though. It took me seven months, but I fucking did it. And I don’t give a shit you don’t believe me. The amount of sheer creativity this game afforded me, even if it was on accident and it was just NCAA suits being greedy dickbags, was fucking exhilarating. Even if this game comes back without this feature (which is most likely will NIL likenesses deals), I’ll still buy it for the exact reasons Kofie said. Thank you to those who read this far.
I'm currently running a Madden 2008 football league where I made a Python script to randomly generate ~350 players for myself and my friends to draft 51 player teams from, and I'm totally stealing some of the names for our next draft class.
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As weird as this story was I absol;utely Love it
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Every High school had atleast one kid who put their entire HS football roster in the game. This franchise created core life memories for millions. F**K You EA
I feel like college has to have a focus on franchise mode. Whats killed sports games for me lately has been the lack of care put towards single player franchise modes as opposed to multiplayer modes that are easier to force microtransactions into. I'm hoping EA doesnt get too greedy, because it feels like this should be an easy win for someone who loves single player modes
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The real sickos amongst us (me) want the College Hoops series back more than anything
Man..... I'd give half a kidney...
That shit was so fire I remember bringing Indiana State back to greatness with my friend on late night sleepovers good times
The one with KD on the cover went crazy
Maybe hoops is next in line to return
Does Mens NCCAB have NIL deals like the NCCAF does?
3:03 It was so difficult to stop a dynasty. I would be like, “I love this running back. Maybe I’ll wait until they’re a senior.” I’ll play 4 more years after that
FACTS!.
I keep getting invested on the gem players i find on the scouting system and keep telling myself "Man. I like this guy. Gonna give it another run... ONE MORE YEAR FOR THIS COLLEGE AND I'M DONE!... Ok...ONE MORE YEAR. Gonna finish this contract and finish it up...BUT THIS QB THO!"
football manager functions very similarly in this instance. these games are just so addicting
@@RomnysGonzalezdealing with this myself I had what I thought was best overall QB I’ve ever had/seen in any game won several nattys even simulating got it to current season and got an even bigger better version to commit last time I played 😂😂 I love NCAA
The recruiting feedback loop of getting a 3 star, redshirting them, having them improve year-over-year till they became a JR (RS) and dominated all-conference then getting national awards or all-american status their senior year hit SO different. So gratifying.
You know what I’m hoping comes back? Customizable conferences. NCAA 14 had it! All I want is to put the Big Ten back to where it belongs: the Midwest.
If I can’t put the Pac-12 back together, I don’t want the game
Call it the Big Mid.
Not gonna happen. Pac 12 will officially be dead this summer. @@joeybatmania9327
Bring back the SWC.
NCAA14 had it for the time it was in, but now it's too limiting. We NEED to be able to have conferences over 16 members. Conferences of 22 or even more should be possible.
One great aspect of NCAA road to glory was that limited time frame. Every career only had 60ish games in to build a legacy before it was over and we had to start anew. Sometimes 2k careers go 15+ seasons so the individual games matter less.
This right here. Having an endpoint to work towards in the career mode makes it so much more interesting. In madden my career the only thing you have to work toward is your overall stat. The little side quests they give you week to week just aren’t interesting enough for me to play more than a few hours
NCAA Football 2005 was my first college football game. It was great.
the ncaa myplayer modes were SO much better than the current style. Making the RB call the plays is stupid even in a video game
Erin Andrews >>>>
I have no faith in EA to actually make this even half as good as NCAA 14. They haven't made a good Madden in over a decade so I just don't see how they'll change now
It depends on how corporate reacts. They hired some people that worked on the old NCAA’s and they hired people that worked on revamp so it’s good potential.
They just slashed 900 jobs two days ago. I'm with you: Kofie's riding a copium high in this video. My expectations are very low. There's going to be a shoehorned ultimate team. Dynasty mode is going to be barebones. Recruiting is gonna be a buggy mess.
It would be a major upset if this new title is even close to as good as NCAA 14 was.
Ncaa football 14 is grossly overrated
@@IllMatic97in terms of the ncaa franchise yeah, in terms of a game no.
I have faith 🗣🔥‼️
watching this video kind of opened my eyes to the idea that the NCAA football games are appealing to people in the same sense that Football Manager is to soccer fans. they're both universe builders where every save/dynasty is a unique universe where you can do basically anything you want, play any way you want bc it's a single player game you set the endgoals. you get to build your own stories and narratives and even if they're all basically just in your head, they're still endlessly entertaining. obviously FM is so much deeper and harder to get into and get through then just a season of NCAA football but they do scratch that same itch at least for me
Sadly one of my favorite features will almost 100% not return. Importing draft classes to Madden.
A) Licensing issues with real players
B) Would act as a pseudo “roster update” for Madden 26
Maybe they make it so you can only import draft classes in the "MyGM Mode" or whatever its called in Madden
@@frankschaefer8890 what is mygm mode , do you mean like franchise mode where you control 1 team
i hope we do but it's still up in the air
@@frankschaefer8890or just give us option to use real rosters or fake rosters
One of the reasons i think other EA games have fallen off is cause of their yearly release cycle. Every year they release basically the same game with some minor updates and better graphics because that's really all they give themselves time to do.
With the upcoming NCAA game, they don't have the option of reskinning the previous game, and they've given themselves several years to build a whole new game
Also in some of the recent announcements, they've said they're really trying to spotlight the culture and traditions of each school, which gives me hope that the people being this have a lot passion for the sport and this won't just be a cash grab
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Why is anyone trusting EA to do anything close to competent or fun?
Because why not have hope? Gotta keep believing
@@hunterrenick3338Or don't buy the crap game from the crap company.
The NCAA games have always been good to great. There were a few stinkers here and there, but the dev team for CFB 25 is filled with a lot of the old NCAA, 2k, and Revamped devs. Just getting this first game out will be a huge accomplishment and I bet at some point in the near future they produce a game that is largely regarded as an instant classic.
Yo, you should check out NCAA Next! It's like revamped, but for NCAA 06, so it has that more PS2 era style of gameplay. I started playing it near the end of last year and haven't stopped since. I connected a lot with what you said about it being a universe builder, taking Louisiana Tech or Hawaii into a major conference and finding those diamonds in the rough through recruiting and watching some of the big time teams fall off is so much fun.
Oh shit new retro revamp gaming addiction here I come.
The pennant system was awesome
Breaking out the Gamecube to beat the College Classics again
NCAA Baseball - too long. Had to sim to finish a season. Felt like recruiting was pointless, I want playing much more
NCAA 2004 was my jam
I think you are holding EA to a standard they haven’t been able to deliver on for almost any game they’ve made in the past 15-20 years. Especially sports games.
They've also been working on this game for like 3-4 years though
@@thunderkai7272why do you actually believe that’s true? Your telling me you believe EA is gonna deliver? When was the last time they did that?
@lil.glimpse huhhh shut up. Ncaa was never good. It just had more life than madden. Clown
🎉🎉🎉 so glad this game is such fire. I missed NCAA football so much. Options, wild playbooks, it's just so much more electric than Madden. I will not be buying Madden this year but I most certainly will be putting mad hours into CFB.
There are many missing features from the game these include
Day to Night Transitions, The Trophy Room, Mascot Mash-up, Coach more attire options/Hat & Headset, CPU Coach info/History, Herbstreit's pick for every game(in the dynasty menus), Pre Game Coin Toss, Conference Standings in Pre Game show, Ability to watch CPU games, team history as the dynasty progresses, User Album for Highlights and classic games, Play now selection screen shows stadiums picture, control the game temperature and a heavy snow option, use teambuilder teams offline, High School in RTG, ESPN score bug and Presentation, Actual trophy presentation to the coach, Ability to set Neutral site games in dynasty mode, Deeper coach history, Sun sets earlier in the fall, user screenshots on the play game screen in dynasty, protected rivalries in conference rules, tabs in dynasty showing top coaches and who is on the hotseat, commentary and a graphic referencing a coach coaching his first game at a new school, 60 year dynasty, the female cheerleaders actually look feminine, Fog, varied music and school fight songs as background music instead of just a drumline.
One of my clearest gaming memories is playing NCAA 06 Road to Glory. Made the decision to skip study hall and go to play darts with teammates -- got a negative speed penalty for the next game because I "dropped a dart on my toe," and then had to play my rivalry game the next day. I don't even remember playing the game itself, but the immersion of that moment really made me feel like I had made a dumb mistake and was worried about how it would affect both my team and my player's legacy.
Also shoutout to that game for letting you pick a major, and then making you actually answer basic quiz questions related to it. I remember picking Chemistry to try and get the best stat boosts on my QB player, and then being shocked that the game expected me, a 4th grader, to know basic chemistry.
Even if it is trash (which I highly doubt) revamped will save the day
What drew me into the college games was the history, creativity, traditions and the 4 years to play with players and try to integrate them into current systems, or find ways to make them work.
Create a school is a gold mine for schools. I can make the college I went to into the game and try to basically shove a D2 school into the sunbelt, A10, or MAC and go from there. OR make a fake school and try to do the same thing.
The playbooks are all unique per program and really made you think on your toes about how to scheme and gameplan around the option offense one week, and then go to Pro style, and then have to adjust to a school with a tough as nails defense and a paper soft offense.
Great discussion video as always Kofie.
You are way too optimistic with EA imo, just check out how they fumbled the FIFA bag and screwd up UT and Career (dynasty) mode at the same time
NCAA Football 06, 11, 14 are classics
This comment section shows ppl will always find an issue with anything. We have a new college football game. With the confirmed features that you know the development team members they got from the revamped mod (along with the new developers they’ve added) will make sure that at least Dynasty Mode & RTG will be insane. Sure the online play will be a major feature, but they’ve always made those 2 features the main attractions.
You need a reaction video to some of the college football 25 videos that have come out over the past month. Game looks amazing
I got 0 expectations about it, but i'm willing to be surprised optimistic about it. I really,really wish this game turn out to be all time great.
I've been playing NCAA 14 and man i having so much fun with that game
I know it wont happen but i want FCS teams back in the game
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The solid Folgers cap and fit mixed in with the clever message in the background at the start, you’ve gained another sub pal. Should’ve done it a while back since your Secret Base stuff is always fun.
CFB25 is fuckin poggers
Am I the only one who thinks NCAA 13 is better than 14?
That's not a bad take. I think NCAA 14 made the option too easy
The 14 version has very clunky running and tackling animations whereas 13 seemed like more athletic animations. Plus defenders couldn't dive and trip you up on every run at the last second. 13 was just missing a few features in dynasty mode like the program tracker. But still it's the better game.
I want to get hyped, but i haven't played any football game since Ps3 was out. If this game doesn't bring me back, nothing will.
hey kofie what's the best part of waking up?
They bout to have NIL as a paid DLC
I’m more of a dynasty/franchise mode player when it comes to Madden and College Football so I look forward to uploading NCAA draft rosters into Madden like past years
I just want mascot mode above all else, in terms of having one wacky thing, because I don't trust current EA to acknowledge the variety was what mattered most in the college games and why they had an extended shelf life.
I want position coaches. I want to work my way up as a linebackers coach at a small school then eventually become a defensive coordinator, I also want to see promotions at schools. Like if my defensive coordinator gets fired I want to be the interim coordinator and then earn the job...I doubt it will happen though.
bro.... Folgers hat on the One Piece Hockeyyyy???! .... ... ................ sheesh...........🔥
Something that they definitely won't have, but would love to see in future games, is the ability to start as a position coach in Dynasty Mode. In NCAA 14 you could start as a coordinator and only play that side of the ball. In a new game it would be cool to have the option to only play 1 position (Like Road to Glory) and only recruit one position, then you could work your way up the ranks until you are the HC of a powerhouse school
I like that you have NCAA 05 up because I think the postseason budgeting system should make a comeback. Divying up budget between recruiting, development, and infractions in the old games was such a fun process. I hope they do the same so we can decide how much to develop and recruit in-house guys that have been with the program for years so we don’t lose them to the portal would be such a fun wrinkle to throw into the old model. Honestly that’s all I want is just to have the old dynasty modes on their face with a few features thrown in that modernizes the game and matches it to the landscape as it currently sits.
I saw people super excited in the comments section of the official trailer they posted, and I thought: "You realize this game is made by the same company that is running Madden into the ground, right?" I have zero confidence in EA to make anything close to a good game.
Also, as a German CFB enthusiast without any real association to any college beyond a vague sympathy for USC, I pledge my loyalty to the college that has the first "Kofie says UA-cam sub please" sign pop up during either a game or College Game Day. Somebody better make sure it's not going to be Liberty or Alabama, please.
I prefer playing GM modes with known players personally. There's something about the realism imbued with your creativity that just does it for me.
I have no faith in EA. I would rather support an indie gaming company release a college football game than buy an EA college game. The 6th gaming gen in my opinion was the last great generation for sports games. It took a nose dive in the 8th generation.
The sad truth is that EA using Frostbite cannot make a good football game. They've tried for over a decade and it hasn't worked across 3 different gens now. The last good EA football games were on PS2/GC/Xbox.
A lack lf offerings is the only reason people look back fondly on NCAA 14. That gameplay is garbage. It's the best NCAA or Madden using that BS engine but it's still bad. Yet, many love it because it's the last one.
They ignore the clunky UI, menus, character models, psychotic physics and animations, etc because it's the last one.
Yes, this will be a Madden reskin. It may be a massive reskin but they already confirmed it's using the same engine and Madden backbone so get ready for a bad game. I hate saying it but the good EA has been dead for almost 20 years now.
I had a janky ass copy of NCAA football on my PSP. Decided once that I was just going to kick everything. Got a kicker named Ducky to win the Heisman. That was fun…
Heya Kofie. Thanks for the video, I also remember playing a ton of NCAA back when I was in high school, I think more 2005 than anything else?
I know you did a video about it before, but wondering if you have any interest in doing some 2K All-Pro at some point. That was my favorite football game ever and I would love to see what kind of team you make. And it's not Madden, so that's a win.
Thanks for all your time and effort Kofie, you deserve all the love you've gotten!
People saying this will be anything like madden clearly didn't grow up playing these games or just didn't like these games in the 1st place. I'm not even a fan of college sports but I've always had way more fun playing the games no matter what sport it is, it could be the College Hoops 2k series, EA's NCAA Basketball or NCAA Football because its never the same experience as the professional sports games whether you want to admit it or not. People just have this hate boner for EA because they were stupid enough to not give up on Madden when its been shit for 10+ years and no I'm not saying these college games are perfect but for the most part they've always been better then the professional counterpart with EA's MVP Baseball being the exception.
These convos always make me remember nfl 2k5 with T.O on the cover!! That game had amazing features, game modes, etc. They even introduced first person gameplay. Its still ahead of its time with the garbage EA puts out
Best result: EA brings back College Football 25 which allows NCAA 14 to be sold again. Then you but NCAA 14
My biggest concern is the gameplay. Somehow Maddens gameplay seems to get progressively worse over the years. The old NCAA games are simple, but still pretty realistic and bug free. I feel like gameplay will feel like modern madden which I don’t love.
I'm cautiously optimistic. Given EA's track record I know the risk, but given that I can have a new college game for my ps5 is huge to me.
NCAA games are great the same reason why so many people play FIFA or EAFC. You can play hundreds of different teams that are truly bad and turn them into a huge team. Madden is so boring in comparison. ALso, the roster turn over makes it much more fun.
I'm hoping, really hoping, that because they've spent a few years building the game but also knowing unlike Madden, this is super important. They've had Madden for years so they've been able to make a profit each year, but NCAA is another story. They really need to make this good because they don't have years of profits on it, not to mention we've gone ten years without one so they know we can get by without it. They have to rebuild a customer base and if they get it wrong, which is really possible, they could sink the title before they have a chance to really build on it.
The wild boy GTA/NCAA/MADDEN crossovers are going to be crazy! lol
This is a great video!! I hope EA watches this.
Imma stop you right here. You’re giving games from a different development team and a different engine and time too much credit. You can definitely expect the new game to run similar to madden. They’re gonna pack the minimum possible on an animation based engine and make it as micro transaction as possible.
Do you think we’ll ever get college basketball again? That’s what I’m waiting for.
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i have been playing ncaa 14 revamped for the last year and holy shit it’s so good. i was too young to experience it at the time but this shit is better than the maddens i have thousands of hours in LOL
How is the broadcast camera “unsettling” lol
I need 2k to make a college hoops again. The only thing that sucks is that college basketball as a whole is kind of dying.
Madden takes features out so they can add them back in years later and call the NEW.. the track record is there, they can't even deny it anymore.
Too bad the sim engine is complete dog shit. Totally ruins immersion
Its another way for you to spend your money, at least this go around they are paying the students responsible.
All ya'll about to get played by EA.... AGAIN lmfao suckers born every damn day
take a look in the mirror you the only sucker here my guy
@@yungflav193 not your guy and as someone (you) who needs to edit a 12 word sentence that doesn't say anything is absolutely incredible. You are a genius lmfao
@@heathclark318rather be that guy then the loser calling people suckers for being hype about something (that theyve already had experience with in the past) but go off
well assuming that madden 25 plays great and is super fun CFB25 will probably be fun to. you are definitely gonna be wrong so believe what you want try to keep being different ur doing good
also its really fun you can take a really bad football team and make them the best and get them to the nation championship
From what i hearing is the nfl veto a lot of things from going into Madden which college football doesn't do that
The only college football game I’ve ever played is retro college bowl 😭
Ill keep playing 06 and 14.
Still got 06 on ps2 and I got ncaa 09 on 360 for campus legend stuff and lore
reggie bush in NCAA '05 was a DAWG
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😂🤣😂 Dynasty Mode??!?!? 😂🤣😂 bruh you have more faith in EA then I do lol you seen FC 24 and Madden 24 right? 😂🤣😂 yeah it’s gonna be allow about Ultimate Team. IF they have a Dynasty mode it’s gonna be bare bones like franchise mode and Career mode.
I hope not, but you could be right
People forget that EA has ALWAYS made the NCAA football games. Different licensing. So I don’t fully understand the “I don’t have faith in EA” comments. Shit, the college football mods I’ve seen with Madden are better than Madden. Just on the teams and different equipment features alone makes it look better and play better.
The people saying that most likely didnt play the NCAA games back in the day
its gonna be ultimate team micro transaction farming sadly
Yeah but are they gonna have Neck at LSU home games?
Another football game for EA to ruin. Yay.
If only there was a NCAA 14 for PC
aslong as they focus on dynasty and rtg mode as the MAIN part of the game and have crappy UT as a side game mode it will be great just cant take the madden approach or it will suck.
Also, importable Draft classes into madden would go along way for me to actually give a f about madden so i hope they bring it back
Y’all really putting in EA lmao. It’s gonna be funny when they disappoint with the new college game like they do with madden every year
Naw he is just trying to look at the bright side.......unlike your negative ass
i haven’t enjoyed ea football games in 10 - 15 years and i’m not even expecting cfb 25 to be that good but i’d be lying if i said me and my friends aren’t beyond excited to play online dynasty until they turn the servers off for this title
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I'll play ncaa 14 and wait to see how much pple complain about the new game. I don't want the same engine or game play as madden so ima live in the past.
I honestly don’t like the frostbite engine also but I hope that the coding in the engine will be better so it won’t mess the game up
Kofi knows the same people making it right lol anyone who actually plays the franchise knows it’s gonna be the same BS just hoping the character transfer for madden
The younger gen believes this will change it but US older people knows what we are getting like how we used to
I used to love importing draft classes to Madden. In the 06 games I had a Browns franchise and a Hawaii dynasty that I must’ve ran for like 6 years.
Where'd you get the Folgers hat?
NCAA 06 the best one in my opinion
I love the sandbox style. It’s kinda why I don’t really care if the NIL athletes come in. It’s why I usually play Football Manager with fake players.
Don't pre-order and don't buy on release.
Wait and see, they haven't proven they can actually improve.
Until the game is released I have no interest, I've realized in the past if I had pre-ordered something or bought it on release only for it to be a broken or just bad mess for the first iteration. then even if the game improves, I don't ever really come back. Not with the same enthusiasm at least and it's just sad.
I think this game is going to be the nail in the coffin, especially after EA just did this with FIFA. If EAFC failed when FIFA had no say in the matter, why would this be any different?
"Fumble University" 😅 one word: CHAMPIONSHIP!
You say that NCAA players are more interested in dynasty than MUT, but EA's goal is to convert those consumers into MUT players. Madden players used to be more interested in franchise mode before MUT came out
Also I hope the NIL license means 2K could bring back College Hoops 2K. That series is even more overdue for a return than College Football.
Most based take i've heard yet
I love the Tim Richmond hat
For CFB 25, I just hope there's either a return of TeamBuilder or seasons in CFUT. I'd love it if there were both, but it's the first year so I wouldn't be mad if UT was kinda barebones and there was no create a school. If nothing else, I hope they can emulate the vibes that the old games gave off.
I’m a weirdo and on my RTTS player in MLBTS 23 I have played 7 full seasons and played every game. Still playing today.
One of my favorite moments of my childhood was beating Alabama in a bowl game in my FAU franchise. All of their receivers were 95+ speed and they ran deep routes all game 😭 it took me days because i kept restarting but it was one of my biggest accomplishments as a kid
NCAA 2005, behind you, that was my first NCAA game! Played so many hours on that
Love the Tim Richmond hat
Im 30 but i mever played ncaa because when i was younger my dad and uncles only played madden so thats what i always stuck with. But im excited for a new ncaa, BUT.. im not excited that ea is making it feela like it'll be a madden reskin