[3.3] Genshin Impact Chapter 3 Inversion of Genesis Quest Recap + Analysis
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- My thoughts following Genshin Impact's v3.3 archon quest, The Inversion of Genesis. Also contains spoilers for Nahida's first story quest.
*TIMESTAMPS*
0:00 Introduction
1:00 Scaramouche
3:30 Irminsul
7:07 Teleport Waypoints
9:40 Descenders
13:40 Time Alteration
17:00 The Voice
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**NOTES**
- Lotta comments asking how paper and stuff changes if the past doesn't change. To that I can offer only two possible explanations. Either A) It's a situation like Azar + the Akasha where the Akasha tricked him into not seeing Nahida in the Sanctuary when she was there, or B) Irminsul can physically alter the present only which includes any texts that exist currently. I don't have a perfect answer though.
Irminsul seems to can't change or erase solid things. Unlike texts and memories, just like writing on a paper. To create a new storyline we need to erase it but the thing is about erasing is that it left bits and pieces of it old self. Memories are a network, it can be seen just like a nerve system. Irminsul looks like a nerve to me, it can create new memories and make people forget the old one. By new memories i meant as in the memories without the thing that people wanted to erase.
Another theory about the gnosis, maybe it can be seen as a loop. If Tsaritsa managed to change the past then maybe the other twin was the one that wakes up first.. Idk but it seems like that to me
When I played the quest I took the pot breaking as fate, you can't change the past because the outcome will always occur even if the process is different ?
So the new history of the Raiden Gokuden isn't just fabricated new memories but the new history of what actually happened, but the outcome is the same
@@Hat_shaped then if it's like that, the words "trust your own memories" won't have any meaning if the process is different. that's why i agree that what happened in the past still happened, people just remember it differently because of the tree's alternation.
Texts in books and other written sources, are also information. And when a subject picks up a book, he does not see the text, it "appears" there only after he has observed it. And when the subject observes the text, it already fits the current model of information. Irminsul controls information on a quantum level.
Well that's how I explained it to myself.
Information determines perception.
the way i see is literature and text in general is considered “data” in teyvat and is thus subject to irminsul changes.
Sumeru really felt like a turning point in the game's plot. What was once obscure Lore limited to Description of Artifacts and Stone Books, is now becoming more and more important to the main story.
Yes, very exciting times ahead!
Hoyo was probably like " you think you know the truth because you read the history books do you. Hah history can be tempered with and now story books might be more reliable then those history books"
Hehe, "turning point" 1
The voice is Bennett. Through his sheer bad luck he ends up somehow responsible for it.
If Sumeru was the point where the story started to get serious, Fontaine is probably going to be where the shit hits the fan. The Goddess of Justice apparently fears Celestia the most, and being a nation that revolves around judgment, how ironic would it be if they ended up being judged by a greater power.
And I'm so excited for it! We've been playing a prologue until Sumeru (sort of) and I can't wait for the insanity that's to come.
That is a bit scary, considering Celestial looks like it is going to be above Fontatine from what I have been hearing.
Focalors: They’ve been here for a while now… Why are they here? Did I do something wrong? Am I being judged? Are they gonna chuck a nail at me? What’s going on!?
Celestia peeps: Fontaine has some pretty good scenery, let’s vibe here for a while
Exactly. i predict the same. Imo, i think its by fontaine where there is a LOT more celestial influence in the story
Just due to how the story inevitably has to be paced, in Fontaine things will probably heat up, there will be some great twist in Natlan, and Snezhnaya will twist that twist again before Khaen'riah finally lays everything out. I'm excited.
The Sages of Khaenri'ah summoning the Twins makes the cutscene at the beginning of the game make a lot more sense.
The two golden shooting stars are the Twins being summoned in Teyvat, which explains the similarity to the gacha's wish animation.
Imagine Khaenri'ah max out the Abyss twin while the Traveler is left at level 1 and unbuilt. 🤣
They were wishing for a Raiden C2 constellation but lost 50/50 and got 2 dud 5 stars instead? 😂
I'm not surprised that gods considered whaling beyond means to be sinful.
Whenever i think about this, i'm remembered of Doro's reenactment of the Fatui Harbingers gathered around; with Dottore wishing desperately that they'll win a 50/50
The Sages of Khaenri'ah probably saved up their primogems for ages to do it and it seems like they won 50/50 twice in 10 pull
This makes Rukkhadevata’s “Let the world completely forget me” even more significant. She never implied the erasure of her existence, only that the world would forget her.
in chinese elements, lightning is an extension of the wood element
What's the logic behind that?
@@Gnidel My guess? Trees are nature's first lightning rods.
@@Gnidel In Bagua, the 8 trigrams of taoist cosmology, Zhèn, the thunder (and Xùn, the wind, but i have no idea if anemo would be involved), are aspects of the element wood since they follow the same flows of creation and destruction as the Wuxing element:
water creates wood (plants need water to sprout) and wood creates fire (kindling). Same as water creating electricity (a conductor) and electricity creating fire (self evident).
metal kills wood (axe chops tree) and wood kills earth (roots drains nutrients). metal kills lightning (lightningrods control their destructive power) and lightning kills the earth (turns sand to glass).
That explains the reaction
Something something branching forks?
The Tsaritsa’s voice maybe? That’s my best guess other than Istaroth. With the tone of the voice that seems to really hate the current state of this world, the voice sounded dead inside like many people describe Tsaritsa. Once a loving god, now she hardened her heart and there’s no more love she can give.
Since the traveler will eventually get to Snezhnaya and probably meet her. I would say doing something like dropping off a massive bomb for us to really question this world and remember what we saw and created this internal conflict so she can easily get us to join her side and rebel against the heavens. Massive manipulation per say. Since after the voice the traveler seems to even question their own memories.
This was my best non-Istaroth guess too (assuming it's someone we know about and not a rando new character). I think that the Tsaritsa needs to be introduced properly prior to v6.0, and I think that at least she has good intentions for humanity, even though relying on the Harbingers is probably not ideal. I definitely think that she isn't going to be the "big bad" of the series, but I guess time will tell.
But how would the tsaritsa know. She’s an archon so she belongs to this world
@@jac2309 i do think it's a longshot to be her, but I think it's more likely her than Focalors, for example. Do we truly know that the Tsaritsa is of this world? I think it's likely of course, but we know very little of her. Even if she is, it seems plausible to me that she's learned some Truths and is sympathetic to humanity (something the voice absolutely is).
This is a wild guess but tsaritsa's en va might be bronya's en va from starrail.
@@jac2309 nahida had a way to keep info on scaramouch after the erasure of it by using a simple trick and perhaps the tarista has a similar trick up her sleave as well
The Raiden twin is a sentient wood that came to life by struck by lightning. Like Makoto turned herself into a seed and in Shintoism there is a special ceremony for a tree that has been struck by lightning. They are called 'Shinboku' (Sacred Tree).
I honestly love your lore videos, as someone who loves this game's story but doesn't have nearly as much info or brain to piece it all together, this is amazing info. And besides it's about Scara, that turns it into more of a masterpiece
Same lol, when I was doing this quest and more recently when I was doing the new bilqis quest, all I could think was, I can’t wait for someone to make a video explaining all this more bc it’s flying over my head 😅
Nahida's story quest and the world created in the dream by the Akasha for me is a lite version of tevyat. I think visions give enough energy to maintain the world from falling apart (which happened in the quest to the fake world) and once the person was removed from Akasha they woke up. Which for me means that if a person can be removed from Irminsol they will wake up somewhere. That means that Teyvat is nothing but a world created within a dream. And fatui harbingers and archons who are with them( giving them gnosis) are the ones who" dare to dream within the dream" i.e. they plan to unplug themselves from Irminsol. For me this is going the route of the matrix.
could the Tsaritsa be planning to make another dream entirely separate from the eyes of celestia?? Maybe thats why the kaenri’ahn chapter is called “a dream yet to be dreamed”
@@MJ-zq9zg perhaps a better , more fair world / dream
When I saw Scaramouche's split personality coming together it definitely reminded me of an Ei and Makoto parallel.
Yea, I agree. In Winter Night's Lazzo, Pierro said to the deceased Rosalyne-Kruscha Lohefalter that the she will be buried in the old world, means that Pierro and the Tsaritsa trying to revive the 7 dragon sovereigns, probably to fight the "master of the heaven"/primordial one *while* also fighting the second who came. Idk. But something along those lines.
Reviving the 2nd who came would be kinda useless. I mean, 2nd who came just hurt seelies and humans, never did great damage to the primordial one itself and didn't even lasted a few years. The sovereigns gave PO a better fight
@@brianxy3649 nah, the point is just to swept primordial one imo. Lets say the past changed by the Tsaritsa that way, so that the primordial one fought the second who came, won, *and then* have to fight 7 dragon sovereigns *again* , which will drain the primordial one *and* all shades power. The conclusion will be to make 7 dragon sovereigns rule again, which also means vishap era starts again. However the story goes, or what fight it will be, or whatever, the point is that the past will be changed so that primordial one and the shades lose and have to leave teyvat with all the rules and authority revoked *or* being used against them. But then again, no matter the outcome, 7 dragon sovereigns rule once more would prove too hard for humans etc to survive, which makes the travelers journey be longer than just meeting the archons, but also the sovereigns, the old world before archon war that has been transposed into the current world, etc. Too long of a stretch so I'll digress. Pls regard and consider everything i said with a whole cargo ship of salt.
I actually think the voice could be that of the Tsaritsa herself. Despite the Fatui constantly being our enemies in game, there is just a lot of little things that point towards them not actually being the bad guys (big picture anyway). I kind of expect once we get to Snezhnaya the Tsaritsa will try to win us over, so this could easily be just her sending us hints as to what her plan ultimately is to get that started.
I never thought about it being The Tsaritsa! It's an interesting theory, definitely adding her to my "suspect list" for who's the unknown voice
afaik tsaritsa is not a descender, she too would be affected by the changes.
considering the avatar of irminsul herself (nahida) also forget.
@@someoneinasia but since scaramouche once worked for tsaritsa. Maybe tsaritsa just like nahida kept allegory for scaramouche to remember him
@@someoneinasia it's possible that rather than the Tsaritsa remembering Scaramouche initially, she was simply observing us (perhaps using the gnoses? Might just be something she can do normally though...)
If she was observing us the whole time, presumably due to the threat we could pose to her plans, she would naturally have witnessed the whole Scaramouche thing as well as been the one to speak with us at the end. Tbh, we've got so little to go off of and could make so many assumptions, I personally don't think it's something to be concerned about until we get more info.
Like anyone needs any convincing ... Who won't pull for an Archon, after 3 more years of hype?
I think Ashikai dropped a strong hint at who the voice is. At first I thought Istaroth as well but after watching this vid I changed my mind. I think it’s actually the Tsaritza herself.
Oh
How?
Not really it has to be istaroth since goddess of time is now being frequently hints. It would be wierd if its tsaritsa and doesnt make sense at all.
But we see that all habitants of Teyvat even the Irminsul’s avatar herself is affected by Irminsul erasure and shouldn’t have any memories about any of this, let alone give us a lesson. Except Tsaritsa is a descender or found a way to immune herself (which is unlikely considering why don’t she share this with her followers, she seems content about giving them information about stars) she can’t be.
Now I'm going to back here, actually the voice is Nicole ,one of the hexenzerkil( witches, Alice's friend)
Wouldn't Ei have been made of wood though? Makoto had to rebuild her after she ascended to Archon. I've probably got that wrong but I'm sure I read somewhere that Makoto had to "destroy" Ei (or whatever) so the gods would recognize her as the victor in the Archon war.
My point is that Nahida's story is correct
Yup, I also remember that, but I learnt about it when we already moved to Sumeru, a bit shocking, and I don't remember where
Its in the book "treasure tales of ...". But what Ei did 500 years ago was something else, as it was long lost technology that she discovered, and if her current body was already made of wood, she wouldnt need to make another robot + "no going back" after she transfers her conciousness into the Raiden Shogun.
The resurrected Ei after Archon War probably has "normal" body and/or if the Raiden twins are literally made of lightning, then it makes sense for Makoto to be able to remake it as she is the god of thunder.
It coud be that makoto rebuild ei from irminsoul brenach that contained Eis memorys
I've once heard a theory on youtube that ei and makoto are/were an object type youkai, specifically aincent inazuma shoes
@@neoe5970 That's very reasonable theory. It would also put different light on Yae, also on her teasing in one dialogue that maybe she should be an Archon.
I was so confused when I saw scara had the name Fujin cause that’s what I named my wanderer. Took me a second to realize. It’s a great name for him
I agree though I named my wanderer Moksha since it’s fit his story very well. It also fits with how we renamed him in Semeru and irl Moksha comes from India/Muslim nations
Kinda similar. With exception mine has name Fuujin. It's difference like canon and cannon.
I named him “Makoto” cuz I knew it was a name he probably disliked
Kinda hoping that the voice is Skirk, Mona's Master, or even Gold, but my mind is ofc set to the one you don't want to hear. Skirk is tied to the Abyss, so I'm hoping that its some of her own insight from within Irmunsul that caught up with us back when we came back into Teyvat after our first venture into Irmunsul's depths, but on a time delay because of how Time in the Abyssis all fuckywucky. similar to how we've slowly been exposed to the Abyss with Tartaglia's Abyssal transformation, our first meet up with our twin, the Mud from the Ley Lines, and the Withering and the energy that tried to swallow us in The Golden Slumber.
I would like laughing ya 😂🤣
but the posibility of it's The Tsaritsa voice is dimmer
with Version 3.5 Windblume Festival,which is HIGH CHANCE it's Nicole that speak to the traveler.
but Who know.
oh that's definitely the reason to gather all the gnoses. it even adds up to the tsaritsa actually being the gentle god of love- if she succesfully changes the past, no one would have ever been hurt by her and the fatui's actions. using that reasoning, she can allow the atrocities the fatui commit to happen while still loving her people. every current pain will not matter when she changes time, only then she will allow her heart to defrost.
fun fact some text change after delting Rukadevata but if you look at zhongli text "story 5" is basicly did not change (the one talking about orginal 7 archons unless rukadevata was not one of the orginal 7) only 2 remains which is him and venti not 3 still 2 it is as his memories were not affected
we know that stones can store memories and some people can access those memories, i have a theory that the memories of the stones can't be altered and that he checks the memories in the stones wich is the reason he remembers, i also believe that the Cryo Archin would be able to do the same but with ice, after all examinating air traped in glaciers and the composition of the soil are the most commom ways of telling how was the enviroment in the past.
I have a theory that Zhonglis memory can't be altered bc he's from the old world, before the Primordial one came. Since he's a dragon and Guizhong "descended" before him and its heavly implied that she was a pheonix you can look into implications of dragons and pheonix in the chinese mythology.
since irminsul can only contain the memories of teyvat which didn't exist before the primordial one came it would make sense why Zhongli is so old and wise and why enkanomiya still has vishaps, all scriptures about the creation of the world etc etc
I was about to go to sleep but guess that's not happening today
That idea of combining the gnoses to alter the future is something i NEVER had thought of and is like mind-blowing but feels like the actual plot... Great work!
For the voice I was thinking either Skirk or Rhinedottir since they are both relatively MIA and unmet characters who could certainly throw some whacky knowledge towards us without hesitation.
So Irminsul is basically a computer, it's roots extend into the Abyss...
"The root folder, also called the root directory or sometimes just the root, of any partition or folder is the "highest" directory in the hierarchy. You can also think of it in general as the start or beginning of a particular folder structure.
The root directory contains all other folders in the drive or folder, and can, of course, also contain files. You can visualize this with an upside-down tree where the roots (the root folder) are at the top and the branches (subfolders) fall below; the root is what holds together all of its lower items."
"The root file system is the top of the hierarchical file tree. It contains the files and directories critical for system operation, including the device directory and programs for booting the system. The root file system also contains mount points where file systems can be mounted to connect to the root file system hierarchy."
Interesting.
I also noticed that in the Shiki Taishou event, Childe mentioned that he "fought between the roots of this world," probably referring to the Abyss
My first thought for the voice was the tsaritsa actually. The...way the voice talks really reminds me of the Shivada Jade Gemstone text
never thought scara as a being made from the branches of irminsul but that's exactly why you're my favorite genshin channel. I'll brainrot over this piece of information for the rest of the year thank you.
i just rewatched ur 3 part 3.2 video and here is new video. also cant wait for ur video about new desert region, there so much info about jinns goddess of flowers and king deshret,this video gonna be a banger
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fun fact, a server designed specifically to turn an IP address to a URL for other computers to see and use is called a dns, or a domain name server.
Your videos are so insane! Every single time my mind is blown away 🤯
The unknown voice at the end might be the previous hydro archon. She used to have spies all over Teyvat and following Traveler for some reason. She might knows a lot about how Irminsul works and taught Mona about hydromancy.
Wait, could the voice be gold? We know she obviously has an understanding of teyvat deeper than most and since she is from khaenri'ah, she may have some experience with this.(this is because I believe that khaenri’ah might have tried something similar at the time which may have ended up in disaster leading to the intervention of celestia) in addition, the voice remarks “unfortunately, the fate of this world can not be changed easily, but perhaps a god might be able to” she seems as she has experienced failures of this project and as we know khaenri’ah was a nation without gods so she may be stating that this was a fatal flaw of their plan. Als this may relate to the loom of fate operation that the abyss is trying to achieve. Maybe this is their new attempt at this after their failure in the past and may have something to do with Dains line in the teravail trailer about the threads of fate being ours to reweave which sounds a lot like redoing and changing the past especially because of the word reweave.
Gold is more about Art of Khemia, so if it is someone from Hexenzirkel, cos they all understand Teyvat deeper than most of the people and we do not know how old are other Witches (but some), then Old Hag is the most obvious suspect here, she is Hydromancer and the best one, so she is familiar to Time, Fate and Stars, that's actually her specialization in Hexenzirkel.
Also Skirk may be a suspect, cos we do not know much about her specialization, but that she investigates Abyss, but Gold unlikely, cos Time, Stars, Fate are not her specialization, at least from what we know for now.
@Key
I would like laughing you 😂🤣
but the posibility of it's The Tsaritsa voice is dimmer
with Version 3.5 Windblume Festival,which is HIGH CHANCE it's Nicole that speak to the traveler.
but Who know.
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!
My guess of the disembodied voice is the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles. She is also a Descender and would know of the effects of edits in Irminsul. If you listen to the intro and the scene at the end of the quest, they are very similar voices. She says Fate is something that is quite difficult to change, perhaps that it may be a Heavenly Principle, that she felt inclined to give a nudge that we are scratching close to something important.
Why would she help the Traveler lmao? She is our enemy, not an ally
We actually have no clue of her motives.
Similarly to the Raiden Shogun, we were enemies for a short while, but that is changed. We simply do not have enough information.
Wild as it sounds, I believe the voice at the end was Rukkhadevata, and I have some reasons for believing this.
First of all, the speech mannerisms in which the voice speaks. The voice speaks in metaphors just as Nahida does; "When a small animal runs into a tree trunk, though the tree may sway, it is not displaced. The same is true of fate. Like a vase that falls to the ground. Whether it is broken by a cat or by a bird, the result is still a broken vase, is it not?" This alone isn't enough to drive a conclusion, but it got me thinking.
If Irminsul does not change the past but changes one's perception of the past, then the spirit of a forgotten god is still one who remains. We've seen this before- Orobashi's spirit remaining to rage on Yashiori island is evidence that gods still exhibit some presence on Teyvat even after death, and this is only one of numerous examples of this phenomenon.
Now, using the metaphor-not so metaphor of Irminsul being a computer/server, imagine that you have a folder of files interacting with one another, and suddenly, the computer sends one of the files to the trash to delete it. No longer can a user open the file- it's in the trash, and likewise, files cannot interact with anymore. To them, it's as good as gone. But an outsider to this system- the user themselves, or the traveler in this metaphor, can still visibly see the file in the trash can, even if they can't open it. And what of the file itself?
Well, it's still a file. A file can't be taught to forget itself- it is itself. It's a catch-22. Irminsul may allow all to forget about your existence and to rewrite the memory of history- but it cannot void your existence entirely. And so, Rukkhadevata remains in spirit, forgotten by all but no less real. And if Nahida kept a backup of Scaramouche's existence, what's to say there isn't a backup of Rukkhadevata somewhere?
By following this logic, it makes a lot of sense why the voice would say what she said to us. Reading through the wording- in particular, "Unfortunately, the fate of Teyvat cannot easily be changed. Perhaps a god may have a slim chance, but for anyone else... who can say." In this scope, it sounds almost regretful with the use of the word "unfortunately", as if Rukkhadevata were to lament her own "passing". And why bring up "perhaps a god may have a slim chance" when this recent incident involving Scaramouche was post-godhood for him? This to me at the very least narrows the list of candidates to gods or greater beings speaking to us.
Not really sure what else to make of it. But I should also mention as a completely different side note-
Scaramouche instructed Irminsul to forget the names Balladeer and Kunikuzushi. He did not instruct it to forget the name Scaramouche. Whether this is an oversight or not remains to be seen, but I doubt this was unintentional. Maybe this is so that the Fatui do not forget him, but the rest of the world does. Maybe he wants them to remember his name, as his next step seems to be to seek revenge on Dottore.
But rukkha actually WAS deleted, unlike scaramouche. She just had to be deleted by someone else (nahida) since she couldn't erase herself. Scara tried to do it without anyone else which is impossible
@@MiyuKawasaki but was she? You'd think that if the entire existence of an archon were entirely deleted that the space time continuum would be actively shifted. Remember that the question is of rewriting history, not rewriting memories. But besides everyone forgetting of Rukkhadevata's existence, the world remained unchanged. All the things that Rukkhadevata did were now shifted to things that Nahida did. As did the world with Scaramouche after "wiping" his existence. The difference is that the Traveler went to see the effects that this extended to to fill in the gaps of Scaramouche's absence. Given the things that Rukkhadevata did happened hundreds of years before the game's events, the traveler has no way of going back to ask the people in the same way they did with Scaramouche. And so it's not quite verifiable that Rukkhadevata and Scaramouche are different cases given our current knowledge.
@@ariaaceves6073 They ARE different cases, but they are also quite similar
Scara only deleted the memories of everyone, but he's still alive
Rukkha deleted the memories too, which in her case means she doesn’t exist anymore and is 'dead'
Of course rukkha did exist at some point and the only thing that changed were memories. This is true for both cases. Scara didn't erase himself entirely though, only the names Balladeer, Scaramouche, and Kabukimono. (btw I wonder why he didn't mention Kunikuzushi? Kuni killed the Raiden Gokaden but in the new timeline someone else killed them, so Kuni was erased too)
@@MiyuKawasaki The archon quest actually addresses this. In the Kabukimono's Finale (part 3/4 of Inversion of Genesis), the Traveler experiences an epiphany; "Yes, that was it! Greater Lord Rukkhadevata- she said that no one can erase themselves from existence, not even her. Otherwise, why would she need to create her own reincarnation in Lesser Lord Kusanali to do the deletion for her? There'd be no point."
Understand that while this sounds as if it's needed to have more than oneself to be deleted, that Nahida is a reincarnation of Rukkhadevata, and as such, share the same soul. Irminsul pays heavy mind to the soul, or else it would not allow for lingering resentful souls like Orobashi to remain. If a soul can exist without a body, it means that Irminsul can separate a soul from its being- it's a Samsara, not a different entity, if the soul is to inhabit a new vessel. And pay mind additionally to the wording of the voice at the end of the archon quest: "the fate of Teyvat cannot easily be changed. Perhaps a god may have a slim chance, but for anyone else... who can say." Bringing up that a god *may* or may not have the ability to change the course of history is important here, because it gives us some insight to who's talking here. We know there are four descenders, and we're one of them. The other three, who knows who they are. Now I ask you, why would there be any relevance in bringing up that a god may be able to succeed, if they were not referencing the deletion of Rukkhadevata? Is this one of the descenders talking then? Maybe. But to me it makes more sense and is more concrete that this is the self aware musing of Rukkhadevata who tried to delete herself and did not fully have the chance to succeed, knowing that she was a god who tried and failed to change the course of Teyvat's fate.
@@ariaaceves6073 Hm but, we know how Rukkha sounds? This was a different voice/VA.
Wow, your theories are always spot on
not gonna lie. The more times you keep mentioning irminsul in tech analogy reminded me of a podcast I just finished listening to.
Tech podcast covered about '7 keys to the internet' & each key holders are from different countries, never have 2 key holders from same country. The short summary from what the key holders do is validate the internet domains with only their signature.
Interesting and cool ideas here! Excited for what story comes nest and your future vids! Just finished the new world quest, excited to hear what you have to say about the Eternal Oasis!
The theory at the end with the gnoses was such a good point wow! Thanks for the awesome video as always
Holy sh!t if it's true that Pierro and Tsaritsa are collecting the gnosis for the purpose of changing the past then wouldn't that be the same like Otto from Honkai changing the past where kallen (someone he cared for) didn't die?
You googling Descenders and getting that result made me chuckle a little.
Please always make these videos I swear I don't understand anything until I watch them 🙃 THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARDWORK
Regarding the voice at the end i believe it could belong to tsaritsa..and my reason is sort of hidden in qiqi's vision story-
Qiqi's Vision was given to her in the last moment of her life.
She wanted to stop the clock from turning. She wanted to live happily again.
She feared death. She wanted to live. She missed her family... These feelings coalesced at last into "ice."
"If only I could freeze time... How wonderful would that be?"
As she thought thus, tears fell from the moribund girl's eyes upon the Vision that had appeared before her.
The mighty and illuminated adepti all acknowledged this as a legitimate form of "illumination" - the yearning of humanity for bygone days is, after all, a desire to protect that past.
The important points are-
-She wanted to stop the clock from turning. (freeze time or something or someone in time?)
-These feelings coalesced at last into "ice." (can something as abstract as feelings can be turned into literal ice?)
-"If only I could freeze time... How wonderful would that be?" (again freezing time)
- a desire to protect that past. (maybe ashikai's theory of rewinding time and changing the past?)
This piece of text has a lot of reference to time.
Could it be possible that the cryo gnosis gives tsaritsa a sort of immunity to tampering of memories by freezing the memories in ice (time?) or sort of something like that?
I am just rambling here it is after all a massive stretch.
Remember awhile ago, it might still be a thing where people said there was a fake element? I always thought it would ether be electro or more likely cryo, why electro its colour and it comes from the sky in the form of lightning, cryo because its transformed hydro.
Anyway the second part is in Honkai theres there growing tree and the ever expanding sea (time and space?) but maybe if a section was froze would it solidify time or even create a little bubble/block of time? Basically if cryo was unnatural maybe it would have those powers?
Sorry these are kinda my random thoughts as a addon to what you said. Ah another addition too, Ashikai talked about colours in another video and how they work, light bounces off ice could that be used to alter how what happened is seen?
I think you might be onto something with cryo being able to freeze time and preserve memories - kaeya has two semi suspicious voice lines that could reference it: “we’re not frozen in place, after all” and “this moment will be frozen in time.” Considering we don’t have a full explanation on how Kaeya manages to span two eras (khaenriah and modern-day teyvat), maybe he was “frozen in time” for 500 years. Hmmm, but he didn’t get his cryo vision until way after that. Idk, just some thoughts
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I would like laughing you 😂🤣
but the posibility of it's The Tsaritsa voice is dimmer
with Version 3.5 Windblume Festival,which is HIGH CHANCE it's Nicole that speak to the traveler.
but Who know.
@@dimbum1803 😂 well ya.. i sort of guessed it before windblume came out. Now we have proof that it was nicole. Looking back I didn't even consider the Hexenzirkel. Well no harm done.
Ty you videos are awesome I enjoy the alot ty 👍
OH MY GOSH I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE YOUR CONTENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been playing this game and looking at the lore just passively and just wondering why no one was seeing what I was seeing (or so I thought). The lore is SO beautiful! Like I'm really glad I found this game and your channel!
Hi, I recently found your channel. And I love your videos. You are really good at digging up information on all kinds of mythology and religions, it’s very interesting. And your analysis of everything you find is very clever. So it’s just fun to listen to all your theories while I play genshin. I appreciate all the time and effort you clearly put into this. Thank you 😊
I feel like the traveler would have talked about waking up in Khaenriah if they were ever kept there (even if in cryo sleep). Since they remember everything up to being captured by Susty, it'd be pretty odd if they never mention remembering Khaenriah even a bit. My theory is they were both summoned by Khaenriah but were intercepted by Susty. Thats when the games opening happened. But she couldn't hold us both for too long in her little blocks. And because the twins seemed to possess some otherworldly power, she didn't wanna risk them teaming up further in the future. So, with the help of Istaroth, she sent the traveler into the future whilst the abyss twin broke out of the prison and found themselves on Khaenriah. That was how "a god can change the timeline" but for real, no memory deletion or anything required. I mean, if anyone, might as well be the god of time herself right? Plus, isn't that how the great Narukami tree sprouted as well? Actual change in history instead of a memory insertion/deletion? Back on topic, I think her statements about "The end of the arrogation of humans" was just how she was angry and she was going to destroy Khaenriah. She got real mad about the summoning and decided to destroy them for it.
Now continuing from my tangent, I think the only "god" that can do the actual changes in the timeline is The God of Time. She already proved it by helping Makoto create the seed for the great Narukami tree. And I think that in itself is a confirmation that the voice we hear in the game is not Istaroth herself. I'm gonna go with the 2nd most boring answer and say its Focalor. I know, rehashing the same kinda teasers from the Nahida is very lazy, but I don't expect much more from Hoyoverse.
I just want to say loved that you named your wanderer Fujin, great meaning behind that. I have named mine Sei in hope to bring tranquility to his life(as that was the meaning behind the kanji i specifically chose). This quest gave me a bunch of questions but i'm pleased that it at least solved a few a well
Your videos are always so amazing and have my brain engineers start working. Seriously, I'm always looking forward to your next videos. They're so informative and entertaining.
I think the Tsaritsa's reasons for collecting Gnoses could possibly be to have enough "God energy" to change the world. If I remember correctly there's a few mentions of the old world and bringing it back, but I haven't checked for a while so I'm unsure. Either way it's probably about changing the world in some way.
the things the voice said reminded me of what zhongli said at the end of this quest. Something along the lines of "I want you (the traveler) to be the witness to history". Which is really interesting bc he could be talking about erosion and how he might die soon so he won't be able to continue telling stories of the past but this also raises the question if traveler is immune to erosion which would mean we are entirely some other entity that is not immortals or gods. Another point is how did zhongli know this. What I'm saying is that both original archons have suggested that they have met us before (venti's voiceline about remembering him) and if I remember correctly the tsaritsa is also an original archon. Maybe she have met us before and that voice was her trying to remind or warn us and maybe get us on her side.
The tsarista isn't one of the original seven.
I know it's not part of your video but I really love how you named scaramouche fujin. I also did change mine to the alternative of fujin which was futen to mirror "raiden". All in all, I really love your videos!
Ha, I like the idea of the domain keys being like the same thing you see in your browser - a lock icon, to indicate the information/address is protected. Then us activating the key presents us with the Captcha (the enemies) which we have to successfully deal with, then we can access the stored information in the file tree.
Another banger from Ashikai!
Here we gooo
i have only watched two of your video and already can see myself bingewatching the rest and impatiently waiting for the next video lol. good work
We're getting fed so well lately with content on this channel
Thank you for the video! it makes total sense for fatui to collect gnoses in order to gain power to change past. That goes well with the burning the OLD world idea. They will do whatever it takes and don't care how much they pay for it. Now that I think of it, it would be a great motivation for the harbingers too. We know that they are very different yet somehow they came together and are united with one goal. They all could want to change the past. We don't know much about all the harbingers, but Pierro obviously would want that. What brings us to idea that all antagonists (and not only them) are pursuing one goal - to change the fate. Abyss order and our sibling and Fatui. And since we know that protagonist will likely the one to reweave the fate/change the past. So it looks like everyone wants one thing
lovely video on explanations of irminsul and the whole world forgetting thing. Maybe the voice is one of phanes' parts or some other god or being that is awhare of things being changed.
Amazing video as always Ashikai, things are really picking up in the game and it makes me curious for what more Hoyoverse have planned. The voice at the end was a surprise for me and gives me Istaroth vibes for some reason, though I cannot explain why.
Quick question for you and anyone else that might know the answer, what song was playing during the "Irminsul" segment between roughly 3:29 and 7:05? I've heard it a few times in your more recent lore/theory videos and have found myself liking it from the brief hearings of it, though my searches to find it haven't been successful.
Hope you're well and looking forward to more lore content as always!
I’m looking forward to a video on the recent 3.4 lore… I’m almost going insane just thinking abt it
Hmm it seems I've arrived a bit early today, can't wait to watch this
10:47 The "the twins are actually aliens that were called by an SOS signal coming from khaenri'ah and traveled across the cosmos in their private spaceship" part seems a little bit far fetched, ngl. However, what does seem more plausible is that the twins were summoned not by a signal, but a wish, like we literally do to get more characters and weapons. We literally wish (summon) upon the heavens (the literal sky we see in every pulling animation) for them to bring into the world (our own world) a being from beyond the stars (the character we get literally didn't exist in or account before pulling for them, so they were "not from this/our world"). And if you look closely to that same animation you showed in that part that's literally how the twins made it into teyvat, they fell from the sky in shinning golden meteorites because they are 5* characters, and because they arrived in that way it means that they were summoned in a similar manner to how we summon characters.
I really like the idea of the Alien traveler, but I am still not sure about Pierrot being in a disagreement of the Sages since he mentionned the "Old World" as the final resting place of Signora and with the space theory the OId World could sound like the current planet.
And to add to the rewrite the past, in the Teyvat story preview, Dainsleif wants to you to defeat him and reweave fate. At many times, the term God or rather Divine is used to mean Celestia not the Archons so my understanding was that the voice meant that the Celestia could change the past.
As for the identity of the voice, I thought it could be Focalors since what she said could be relevant in Fontaine(focus on the objective evidence during a trial) but she herself should also have been affected by Irminsul so that narrows it down to the descenders and its not Alice nor the Sustainer.
Old World refers to the past - to the world before Celestia or something like that. It implies they want to restore this Old World - one before cataclysm 500 years ago or united civilization or something. Not sure, just thinking. Yup, very good point about gods as those from Celestia and interesting idea about Focalors. It would be simply similar like contact with Nahida. And why not affected by Irminsul? Well, Fontaine also needs some lore drops and twists, ehe. She could be even a Descender, or it might be because of completely different things we don't know about Teyvat yet.
Hello! cool video!
Voice could be the Tsaritsa- given the Fatui theme music constantly references direct opposition to the Abyss, it would also fit neatly with your Gnosis conjecture. Seems like the Fatui dislike the other gods for incompetence, i.e. the Sustainer’s inability to remove the Abyssal influences entirely.
But how does tsaritsa know about the time stuff
@@MiyuKawasaki If Ashikai's this theory is right and Tsaritsa is really looking to alter the time, also all Archons are quite deeper than they may look on surface and some even have connections to Istaroth, Makoto for example, then she definitely have more knowledge about Time and Fate, at least she was able to spend 500 years in finding out and learn about that...
But I doubt that it was Tsaritsa, cos of what she said and how the voice said, it was like someone, who was trying to guide us, like some Hexenzirkel members did it before.
I haven't done Nahida's story quest yet, but did Inversion of Genesis as soon as possible to try to avoid spoilers. At last my character story quest procrastination might pay off in the form of improved narrative cohesion!
Omg im early this time! ❤❤❤
I think this voice could also be someone important from Hexenzirkel like Mona Master or another one from Alice's circle of friends. It would make sense too as I feel we will learn a lot more about these witches in Fontaine...
My theory!
The voice was that of the hydro archon.
Secondly, I was wondering Ashikai if you think it's possible that either we will fill the role of the last empty fatui harbinger, or that our sibling was once the one who held the last empty seat? (I know you're super not in love with all the fatui lore from watching stream VODs, but I was curious if you think this is a possibility?)
If anyone else read this far, what do you think?
But how does the hydro archon know about time stuff, she's part of teyvat so everything about the scara time stuff was erased from her as well
Does not fit into Hydro Archon character, more looks like someone who is familiar to - or Time - or Fate - or Stars - or all together, also if Tsaritsa's goal is really to change the time, then she can be one of the suspects too, but Hydro Archon is very out of character here.
@MiyuKawasaki she's the god of law, so there is a possibility that she could exempt herself from the laws of the world (a phrase that has come up multiple times during the game).
I think it's unlikely that we will become a harbinger.
I thinkthe mysterious voice is the Great Tortoise of Time mentioned by Nahida in her voiceline interaction talking about Faruzan. I've watched other lore content creators and none of them mention this interaction :'(
Makes sense, all zones have somekind of magical beasts "protecting" them (in Inazuma technically it's Yae Miko, she is a Beast... in any meaning....), so Great Tortoise of Time also may be such a creature of Sumeru.
The most interesting detail I'm considering from the Interlude Quest was in the storybook of Scaramouche's memories. In particular, the Doctor's appearance looking more than anything like a creature from the Abyss, either an Abyss Mage or maybe a Samachurl of sorts, wearing a fox(human) disguise. Considering Genshin's track record for detail. I'd find it hard to believe this wasn't meant as any sort of foreshadowing. Also his clear lack of concern for the harm he may cause people seems completely divorced from the general, at least theorized, idea that the Fatui are working for the greater good of humanity. There's the additional detail that out of all the Harbingers he ranks 2nd. Even over Columbina who, if theory crafting is correct, should be a particularly powerful individual with potential connections to the divine. Yet, a scholar/scientist somehow ranks higher than, not just her but, virtually all other Harbingers despite having no known special powers, connections or bloodline to suggest he should be anything special beyond a normal human. Even a being like the Crimson Witch or a master of all weaponry like Tartaglia rank significantly lower in terms of power or capability. A creature from the Abyss having weird/untold powers would make some sense but, a simple academic doesn't quite add up. If anything, it seems to suggest he'll play a particularly large role later in the story. Given that he doesn't seem to have any special reason for being so significantly powerful. That even a being designed by a god in order to be a god not only ranked lower but could be toyed with & raised to godhood by him & still he would not consider that made god a significant threat to either himself or the Fatui's overall goals, if it should be any concern at all, is all highly suspicious. Keep in mind, Childe was tasked with tracking down the Balladeer after he scurried off with the Gnosis. Yet, the Doctor was working, either with special permission or entirely in secret, with the Balladeer on this secret project in Sumeru. Also, in the 'A Winter Nights Lazzo' trailer Dottore is directly asked about Scaramouche, possibly having been given Childe's task after his failure to produce results in Inazuma, & gives a vague mention of Scara's goals but, conveniently neglects to mention any contact or collusion with him.
Yeah the the 2.2 and the Winter night Lazzo trailer... isn't really explained like why did they ask Tartaglia to serach for the gnosis if in the end everything is mostly in control ( mostly by Il Dottore and Pierro ) and i am not sure that Dottore really worked alone with the sages in that experiment... i guess we are going to wait and see if they explain the thing or not ( in 3.3 it only show Scaramouche being ready to be connected to the robot with Dottore and some of the sages... without knowing the prior event )
Id like to throw a giant guess with very little to back it up but, does it not make sense for Dottore to be from Khaenri'ah? Here's an even more of a wild guess: Does trying to create a synthetic being capable of reaching divinity not sound familiar? What's the only project in the game or comics who's end goal is reaching godhood?
The primordial human project.
Rhinedottir has (from what we know) only reached the Albedo stage in her project, but what if Dottore and her share the same end goal? And what if they just went about it in different ways?
This is me just making up a theory as an extention of an existing theory i already have about Celestia trying to change the timeline to avoid the responsibility of the Abyss destroying Teyvat, and how Pierro is an Abyssal creature, I'd talk about it if you're interested lol
5:55 so... The teleport waypoints could be the scanners/data receivers that gather information about the place they are located at and sending that information back to Irminsul!
I like how scaramocuhe May be distantly relayed to nahida and May actually be one of the few beings like her in the world which makes their found family have an additonal layer
Gosh, I really hope you do a video on the Lantern Rite story!
I certainly will
Wow, it's like a dream within a dream. Covered in sprinkles and layered with cream.
We both gave scara the same name(named him Raiden Fujin tho), now I'm grinning from ear to ear. love the theory video also, I hope all your speculations are right
18:56 a new future OR a new world
(By new world I mean it could either be a different teyvat or a hard reset)
As for the mystery voice my take would be that it's someone from the hexenzirkel possibly Gold or one of the heavenly principles
OK so this is not a guess for who the voice was at the end of the 3.3 quest BUT for a split second i thought it was Yae Miko speaking bc whoever it was sounded a lot like Miko’s ENG VA, Ratana so i was sooo confused 😂😂
I personally think the voice saying only a god can alter time is someone who is a god and would know something like that so I’m thinking rukkhadevata seeing as she wasn’t removed from time just forgotten which means as far as everyone knows she might still be alive and had changed time before
Wow!!! Impressive..
First thought after hearing that voice was, it has to be Focalors. For no other reason than Fontaine will be our next stop. The Archons do know a lot more about what is going on, and they don‘t necessarily share everything with us. Prime example being Zhongli who actually tells us he is not allowed to because of some previous contract. It is hard to say if Focalors as the god of justice will feel compelled to abide by such a contract as well, or if she thinks that justice is rather served by sharing this with the traveler?
If not Focalors, it might be one of the other Archons we have not met yet. My second guess would be the Tsaritsa.
I wonder if the Tsarista doesn't need the gnosis for time alteration but maybe using all of the gnosis, she may be able to get records of the old world and use that to safely understand forbidden knowledge and recreate the old world. Kinda in line with the Hexenzirkel video.
i subscribed after the first 11 seconds
Ei, Makoto and Istaroth managed to change the past when the Sacred Sakura Tree was planted so it is possible and it has happened :p
How did they change the past?
Also when we use the waypoints
We also get to see some information
Okay so let me get this right. I knew they couldn't change the effects of the past but all this time I understood it as "if you broke a vase and then took yourself out of irminsul someone else would have broken the vase because it has To be done. (Thats why the books change) BUT what you're saying is that it doesn't change history at all but from the moment you are erased from irminsul the memory's are kind of semi-corrupted, so books and people put a random name to fill in the void even though the person who broke the vase never changed
Someone else couldn't have broken the vase because that someone else was physically doing something
Things like written books or Kaedehara Yoshinori's letter changing are examples I personally find easier to understand, because there is no one currently alive who would have directly witnessed the events in question, making it infinitely easier to "alter history." Instead of Kunikuzushi attacking the Raiden Gokaden, Irminsul created a plausible substitute to assign blame to in all written records, and no one in the current time would be able to realize that was incorrect. Where living people's memories of things they did themselves are concerned I get a little more confused, but I still think it makes the most sense that the events of the past do not actually change, just the memories relating to them.
Ashikai being a computer science major helping her a lot with this isminsul thing XD
One thing that might be interesting to ponder about with the information of what the outlanders brought in relation to Teyvat... is how the 'world' of Teyvat is really just a single continent.
While I doubt there was much beyond what currently exists(in terms of Humanity on this world), I can't help but wonder now if part of what made Teyvat be identified as a continent + chain of islands rather than the entire world... is the outlanders. With how the Dark Sea has islands that seemingly struggle to stay afloat(assuming all / most islands are like the GAA), it may be that they were only able to stabilize the single continent and the island chain(and not even all of it, since Enkanomiya exists).
For the voice... I don't really know. I like Istaroth because of the connection to time she already has(not to mention the recent importance the story has given her). But for a wild guess that's likely incorrect... maybe a moon sister? She might've tried to alter time to save the others(maybe while she was dying) but only managed to save herself(aka why she said only a small chance, she knows minor changes CAN occur, but the outcome can't have been decided). Knowing that there are likely still some people out there who could know about the fact she was supposed to die, she hid herself away. It would explain why as of now we've only ever seen two of the three moons.
I thought the voice was Istaroth at the beginning but looking at people's comments and believing that Istaroth is just too big to say anything right now in the story. I think it's more likely someone like Tsaritsa or maybe someone like Rhinedotter or Mona's Master.
the voice could come from the girl in the gnostic chorus. the 1st crowned heir that searched the genesis crystal and possibly the one dainsleif wants to rescue
The only two candidates for who the voice is (besides Istaroth) are Gold and Skirk. I would consider the Goddess of Flowers if she wasn’t heavily implied to be actually dead, but oh well.
There's also the Sacred Sakura Tree that Ei retrospectively planted in the past from Makoto's seed (possibly made with help from Istaroth) to help cleanse the filth in Inazuma. That is fairly solid evidence that with enough power you can make physical changes to the past which tangibly impact the future.
you said be creative so imma say the voice is the tsaritsa :D
I think some of the questions will be answered once you take Quest to meet the Goddess of Flower in her final slumber
The voice could be one of the other descenders, they are also immune to irmunsul tampering, maybe one of them has power akin to godhood and has been observing the world for very long
like the sustainer of heavenly principles?
i think the voice was focalor (or however you spell it) because she says to ONLY trust what the traveller sees for themselves, and since the next region of fontaine is the nation of justice and that there’s a good chance we’re going to be participating in trials, i can see this factor playing a role!! perhaps something will happen and someone erases everyone’s memory of them and how the occurrence happened as a means of getting away with their actions, however the traveller will be the only one who knows the truth !!! i also think what she said about “it doesn’t matter who what or why the vase was broken, what matters is that it’s broken” (not verbatim). But that’s my theory!!
Focalors is from Teyvat. They wouldn't know about this. So no.
I'm still sticking with my 'Fatui collecting Gnosis = Thanos collecting Infinity Stones' theory! I'm all in!
I think she more refers to the fact that mortal beings such as archons and humans are not able to change the past or rather the present’s reflection of the past to the extends where physical beings and such are changed but rather only changes to textual information or the interpretation of textual information and so on.
One point that does reflect this is that when the traveller dies they’re summoned at a statue of the seven or so on.
How interesting would it be if the voice was the Tsarista? I don't have anything to back this up but I think it would be cool!
My first thought about the voice was actually Fontaine's archon. Don't ask me why but she might have gone to spy on the happenings of Sumeru to see what might happen to Fontaine in the future.
The computer métaphore is pretty acurate since the files, folders and documents are like urmansul info, and the fact that Nahida's normal attacks are in a form of Keypads and chargerd attack a mouse