@@redwanabir2557 can you get some some sort third party matte coating/film after you bought the glossy screen or is there no way to tone down the reflections on macs other than ordering the nano-textures?
This is how you do a UA-cam channel. All info, no bs and no begging. Effective. Efficient. And look at that... going on 4M subscribers. Well deserved. Well done.
I still have my M1 Max macbook pro 16”, it’s still a beast and i don’t have any particular reason to upgrade. I run my architectural stuff amazing, still sounds amazing, still have a massive battery life. It’s awesome .
I'm still on a m1 air and not a complaint in the world. I'd argue that the first gen m series chips are still very competitive in today's market when compared to windows laptops especially at the price you can get them at now.
This is also to be expected, full set of memory controllers on binned dies are either faulty or shut down due to the rest being broken. If you opt in for a lesser chip, you can't get as much system memory either. 406 GB/s is also a step up from the M3 step down to 300 GB/s. M2 Max had 400 GB/s.
@@null_geodesic True, but this info is veeery rarely given in any M4 materials. Check the charts that Dave used - it is all the same stuff, as everywhere else - M4 Max = 546 GB/s. This year it is even more tricky, because the memory options are locked and switching the RAM options causes in many cases also a change of the CPU type.
@@_Fl4K I grew up on windows and not once did I upgrade my ram or ssd. Upgrading your computer is the way to go for most people who need RAM and if you need storage, consider an external drive. It’s more economical anyway
Nice short review. Two things. 1 the nano texture is a pain to clean without the supplied cloth. 2 is the Max chip in the 14" body still being thermal throtlled and making the fans get annoyingly loud? I am hoping the binned max isnt but waiting for reviews.
The way the nanotexture changes the overhead light from white to that pinkish-red is a bit worrisome though, since that suggests if it's doing that to reflections then it's also adding that coloured tint to the screen output as well.
Amazing and on point. Would have preferred more insight on the graphics side of stuff. Especially the "gaming" promises. But fair enough. A great review
It'd have been nice to see those workflows in which the M4 Max outperforms the M2 Ultra, because your graphs state otherwise. Other than that, nicely done as usual, Dave!
I think it’s needed to say that brighter display is only available on M4 Pro and M4 Max. Regular M4 can’t still hit 1000 nits - at least without using 3rd party tools
Can you talk more about comparisons between the new M4 and the M2 pro or even M1 max as since they're priced similarly, do you think it's worth it? I think that's more interesting than comparing the more powerful ones, 99% of people won't really need that extra performance bump despite being significative as older models are already plenty powerful, and if they do I suppose they probably don't bother spending more, not the same story for 1500$ devices
1:45 Dave when you zoomed in on your face the focus was out. I think it's the same everytime you add that* face cam. Do you crop in on your face while editing cause it feels like it tbh.
@@ancientflames Which is your take on the whole thing. I assume? I know what can generally be considered as "light" and "heavy" workflows. The question alluded to his lack of explanation. I wanted a proper display of the test environment. Which table were those devices standing on? Was there any thermal throttling involved? Can truth be told about the measurements and are they inaccurate? And if they are, why's that the case? It's simply the lack of information about the examination and the test itself that's prevalent to a point where I can't reproduce those results on my own. Letter being one of the most important things if it's about empiric testing. Well, to sum it up: There's a lot of information missing there. I, myself, switched to macOS a few years ago and I absolutely love my M1 Pro device. But I can't simply justify another purchase if I can't even really compare both. That's where the reproduction-ability comes in handy. If it was that way, I could just do what he did / described as the test and easily compare. Additionally, as it stands right now: There's just this massive missing factor of transparency. That's my take.
@thescentsofme idk what that is, im using vivobook pro 14 Oled 3K 90Hz 10bit for almost 2.5 yrs and never had a bit of a problem. Even though charts on screen all the time. Either apple using cheap displays or their dual OLED tech fckd up
@@ViralEnter10ment nah, pwm is just an issue due to the nature of OLEDs. Iirc, everyone technically sees it, but about 5-10% of the population is actually extra sensitive to it to the point that that they're unable to use OLEDs that have too low of a PWM DC dimming rate. You need that rate to be much higher than the 480 Hz Apple currently is using (the screen is still 120 Hz, but the rate at which the pixels themselves are refreshing is much higher to try to mitigate PWM flicker).
Question about the screen finish, if you are wearing polarizing lenses, does it still look okay? Most antireflective stuff isn't really readable with polarized lenses.
The M4 Pro vs M3 Pro is a drastic improvement, but the M4 Max vs M3 Max is less so, the battery improvements are 13m and performance is under 20% - it's a good time to pick up a refurb M3 Max I think!
so the question is... silver or space black? Space grey was the best... but they say the space black gets lots of finger prints so i guess i go for silver?
•M4 --- Almost as powerful as an M3 Pro/M2 Pro •M4 Pro --- M* Max level •M4 Max --- M* Ultra level • They all outperform any processor currently available in Single-Core.
Hi Dave, I have MacBook Pro M1 Max and the battery consumption is not great. If I want to balance between performance and battery usage, could M (Pro) version do that ?
@@daustonian9331 I mean they probably would've if it was possible, but with how thin mobile screen tech is now I don't think its viable over etched glass.
Here is the real pro tip: Found someone working at apple and get 20% off friends and family discount. Never buy apple products full price. They also have a 25% off for each device once a year for themselves but that one is for the employee itself only( but if they ain't gonna buy a laptop in 2 months they might give the deal to you).
How is the text readbility of text on the nano texture screen? There is lots of comments on how good it is at diffusing reflections but concerns the text is fuzzy and the blacks washed out grey. In two minds which option to go for
Text shouldn't be an issue, in sunlight it will protect contrast far better than glossy, indoors there is a difference however many LCD panels still look the same/better unlike etching on indoor OLEDs.
@@OSQQ123 You're supposed to use special cloth so fibers don't catch on the etching. Though I wouldn't want to clean either frequently even if ones easier.
In sunlight it will protect contrast far better than glossy, indoors there is a difference however many LCD panels still look the same/better unlike etching on indoor OLEDs.
The only problem that I have with the macs is you cant ducking play games. And now with Amd and Intel (at least in the Laptop side im looking at you intel) have improved so much and in some things even overtaken apple like battery life or integrated graphics that its hard to buy it for me if its not a complete work thing.
In sunlight it will protect contrast far better than glossy, indoors there is a difference however many LCD panels still look the same/better unlike etching on indoor OLEDs.
Why do reviewers only ever review the highest SKU for these products when they're released? The vast majority of the unwashed masses will likely buy the base models.
Really nice improvements this year. Especially on the GPU and Screen options
If you'd like a glossy display on your matte screen, you can always use a glossy screen protector to achieve the effect.
Tech is finding its sweet spot
@@redwanabir2557 can you get some some sort third party matte coating/film after you bought the glossy screen or is there no way to tone down the reflections on macs other than ordering the nano-textures?
Does the displayed image take any sort of degradation over the glossy version? I mean sharpness, contrast, black levels etc?
Brother can you please give me one, I really need one for my law school
This is how you do a UA-cam channel. All info, no bs and no begging. Effective. Efficient. And look at that... going on 4M subscribers. Well deserved. Well done.
That, and no annoying background music. 🎉
cranking them reviews out like clockwork.
2:00 did i hear a dave screaming? lol
*moaning
What is that 😆
glitch in the matrix :D
I still have my M1 Max macbook pro 16”, it’s still a beast and i don’t have any particular reason to upgrade. I run my architectural stuff amazing, still sounds amazing, still have a massive battery life. It’s awesome .
Just get a screen protector film for 10$, done. You're welcomed.
Same. My M1 still does all I want.
I'm still on a m1 air and not a complaint in the world. I'd argue that the first gen m series chips are still very competitive in today's market when compared to windows laptops especially at the price you can get them at now.
ffs get the screen protector
: as a owner of broken macbook pro m1 16"
I just got the M4 max, upgrading from M1 MBA. Hopefully I am not going to think of something else till M10 or something.
This lighting and color grading is awesome. I like it 💡
Wow! Two reviews in under an hour, great job!
It is worth noting that the M4 Max has 546 GB/s bandwidth only in the top version. The binned one has something around 406 GB/s.
I can’t say I would ever notice or care but thanks for the info.
This is also to be expected, full set of memory controllers on binned dies are either faulty or shut down due to the rest being broken. If you opt in for a lesser chip, you can't get as much system memory either. 406 GB/s is also a step up from the M3 step down to 300 GB/s. M2 Max had 400 GB/s.
@@null_geodesic True, but this info is veeery rarely given in any M4 materials. Check the charts that Dave used - it is all the same stuff, as everywhere else - M4 Max = 546 GB/s. This year it is even more tricky, because the memory options are locked and switching the RAM options causes in many cases also a change of the CPU type.
Not an Apple fan, but this is the first device of theirs I've actually considered purchasing.
You will love it. Iam still running my M1 for work. And it’s great.
Consider what happens if you need to replace the ram or ssd first lol
@@_Fl4K I grew up on windows and not once did I upgrade my ram or ssd. Upgrading your computer is the way to go for most people who need RAM and if you need storage, consider an external drive. It’s more economical anyway
Nice short review. Two things. 1 the nano texture is a pain to clean without the supplied cloth. 2 is the Max chip in the 14" body still being thermal throtlled and making the fans get annoyingly loud? I am hoping the binned max isnt but waiting for reviews.
Is it worth upgrading from an M2 MacBook Pro for programming? M2 still seems to fare well.
Those graphs are insanely clean🎉
So happy you made this and I saw the nano texture I thought it would not be a big deal but really seems to help a lot!
The way the nanotexture changes the overhead light from white to that pinkish-red is a bit worrisome though, since that suggests if it's doing that to reflections then it's also adding that coloured tint to the screen output as well.
its compensated by color grading of that screen, no worries
Amazing and on point.
Would have preferred more insight on the graphics side of stuff. Especially the "gaming" promises.
But fair enough. A great review
After seeing your setup and how you do the camera work, I can understand now how you can pump out such high quality content so fast. Very impressive.
where can i see this?
@@dimitardrew Check his previous video of the Mac Mini
It'd have been nice to see those workflows in which the M4 Max outperforms the M2 Ultra, because your graphs state otherwise. Other than that, nicely done as usual, Dave!
Not the first time they have matte display on a macbook tho. They had matte display option for 17 inch macbook bro around 13 years ago
They still use half Right and Left D-pad buttons!!! Why???!!!
Been waiting for this!!!!
I think it’s needed to say that brighter display is only available on M4 Pro and M4 Max. Regular M4 can’t still hit 1000 nits - at least without using 3rd party tools
MY M1 Max is still smoking fast. Looking forward to M6 or M7 to see what we get!
Can you talk more about comparisons between the new M4 and the M2 pro or even M1 max as since they're priced similarly, do you think it's worth it? I think that's more interesting than comparing the more powerful ones, 99% of people won't really need that extra performance bump despite being significative as older models are already plenty powerful, and if they do I suppose they probably don't bother spending more, not the same story for 1500$ devices
1:45 Dave when you zoomed in on your face the focus was out. I think it's the same everytime you add that* face cam. Do you crop in on your face while editing cause it feels like it tbh.
I'm sorry if I missed it:
What would you consider a "light" and "heavy" workload if it comes to battery testing?
Light is usually browsing, emails, video playback.
Heavy is 3D rendering, video editing, gaming.
@@ancientflames Which is your take on the whole thing. I assume?
I know what can generally be considered as "light" and "heavy" workflows.
The question alluded to his lack of explanation.
I wanted a proper display of the test environment. Which table were those devices standing on? Was there any thermal throttling involved? Can truth be told about the measurements and are they inaccurate? And if they are, why's that the case?
It's simply the lack of information about the examination and the test itself that's prevalent to a point where I can't reproduce those results on my own.
Letter being one of the most important things if it's about empiric testing.
Well, to sum it up:
There's a lot of information missing there.
I, myself, switched to macOS a few years ago and I absolutely love my M1 Pro device. But I can't simply justify another purchase if I can't even really compare both.
That's where the reproduction-ability comes in handy. If it was that way, I could just do what he did / described as the test and easily compare.
Additionally, as it stands right now:
There's just this massive missing factor of transparency.
That's my take.
Macbook pro 2011 was available with non-glare display, too. For an additional 100€ - good investment.
Using Myst to demo graphics performance is :chefskiss:
Never had any mac looking forward for MacBook Pro
Wallpaper link please. Thanks! Love your videos, always.
OLED would have been nice
Rumors point to 2026-2027 for that
@@Metamine0 we'll get macbook killer x elite fully working by then lol with 4K 120Hz OLED and better battery
only if it comes without OLED PWM flicker. which is a huge issue for many people on the new iPad Pros.
@thescentsofme idk what that is, im using vivobook pro 14 Oled 3K 90Hz 10bit for almost 2.5 yrs and never had a bit of a problem. Even though charts on screen all the time. Either apple using cheap displays or their dual OLED tech fckd up
@@ViralEnter10ment nah, pwm is just an issue due to the nature of OLEDs. Iirc, everyone technically sees it, but about 5-10% of the population is actually extra sensitive to it to the point that that they're unable to use OLEDs that have too low of a PWM DC dimming rate. You need that rate to be much higher than the 480 Hz Apple currently is using (the screen is still 120 Hz, but the rate at which the pixels themselves are refreshing is much higher to try to mitigate PWM flicker).
Best upgrade after m1 air
Planning to buy it soon
I have the Nano 13" iPad Pro and I'll never go back to glossy. Any chance of an M4 Ultra MBP?
Should i buy a base m4 macbook pro
Or a 16 inch m2 pro
For the same price
Main use will be 4k video editing and studying
Id go for the 16 inch
Buy a macbook pro 14 base and mac mini for 599 lol
I think M2 Pro is enough
if mainly don't use external monitors, 16-inch is a pretty good choice
If I am looking to buy a MacBook right now, is it better to get M3 Pro or an M4 MacBook Pro?
I've had this same question. I think it's honestly pretty close since you can get them for about the same price.
I finally caved and ordered one to replace my 2020 i5 Air that's been really pissing me off for a while now. My expectations are high.
these have been the best laptops ever made. my m1 is still phenomenal
does the nano texture affect the contrast or the colors?
Wow, 2 videos! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Is 14 inch basic M4 single or dual fan?
Single, I'd opt for a pro or air/M3 though
Would a m1,2,3 case/shell fit the m4?
What are your thoughts on the finish of the Space Black model, and the extent to which is shows (or doesn't show) fingerprints?
For most people even the M1 is a great deal. Those laptops are so good not gonna lie.
Thanks Dave. Not getting as I have M3 max mbp and no OLED screens like iPad m4 pros.
Question about the screen finish, if you are wearing polarizing lenses, does it still look okay? Most antireflective stuff isn't really readable with polarized lenses.
Should i upgrade my M3 Max MBP?
Does the 14” with the Max chip throttle compared to the 16” under heavy sustained workflows?
The M4 Pro vs M3 Pro is a drastic improvement, but the M4 Max vs M3 Max is less so, the battery improvements are 13m and performance is under 20% - it's a good time to pick up a refurb M3 Max I think!
I’ll never understand why they killed space gray 🤷🏻♂️, I kinda wanna hold on to my M1pro till they bring it back haha
Very nice New Screen
nice review, but I wish you showed some Final cut pro export comparisions. I don't trust those benchmark tests.
Base M4 Pro or a higher spec M3 Macbook Air?
The fan itself is a determination
so the question is... silver or space black? Space grey was the best... but they say the space black gets lots of finger prints so i guess i go for silver?
Just M4 Max? How does the Pro compares to other gen devices, what about the base non Pro M4?
wallpaper from where bro? :D
•M4 --- Almost as powerful as an M3 Pro/M2 Pro
•M4 Pro --- M* Max level
•M4 Max --- M* Ultra level
• They all outperform any processor currently available in Single-Core.
Nice one! 👍🏼
Hi Dave, I have MacBook Pro M1 Max and the battery consumption is not great. If I want to balance between performance and battery usage, could M (Pro) version do that ?
Yes Pro is good for that, although I'd look into why your battery is not great so you're addressing the issue effectively
Hi dave, can we get a macbook clean customization tutorial?
M4 standar vs M1 pro or MAX???
Is the display response time better on the M4 models compared to the M3, especially in scrolling, switching between workspaces?
but can it run crysis?
16Go, 3 usb c : they are finally making a great pro device !
thanks
@Dave2d Where can I get that wallpaper?
Dave what is your daily use laptop
0.38 is it the M2 ULTRA 24C / 76C or M4 ULTRA 24C / 76C ?
How about a matte screen overlay for $30 vs 150 for a ‘nano’ ? I’d like to see that comparison on any model, if you have an appendix section
A protector will look far worse at the cost of some reflection handling. Overlay is for bigger not mobile panels.
Thanks - opportunity to make a thinner, well performing protect-lay
@@daustonian9331 I mean they probably would've if it was possible, but with how thin mobile screen tech is now I don't think its viable over etched glass.
Dave is COOKING today
Which watch are you wearing
Here is the real pro tip: Found someone working at apple and get 20% off friends and family discount. Never buy apple products full price. They also have a 25% off for each device once a year for themselves but that one is for the employee itself only( but if they ain't gonna buy a laptop in 2 months they might give the deal to you).
If that stacks on the 10% education discount it'd be pretty good, but otherwise much easier to find a student
i thought that nano texture display was gimmicky but seeing it in this video makes me want it so bad 😅
Back to Back 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😎😎😎😎
What is that brightness increasing software, does it with on a m2 ?
I think this will be a nice upgrade from my i5 2016
The intro's are craazy
Cant wait for the m4 ultra
In a MBP? 😅😅😅😅 revenant M Ultra exist right now for a MBP?
How is the text readbility of text on the nano texture screen?
There is lots of comments on how good it is at diffusing reflections but concerns the text is fuzzy and the blacks washed out grey. In two minds which option to go for
Text shouldn't be an issue, in sunlight it will protect contrast far better than glossy, indoors there is a difference however many LCD panels still look the same/better unlike etching on indoor OLEDs.
I'm still happy with my mbp 2020 m1 tho. I only run design and my dev stuff. Don't see a reason to switch
I need an honor magicbook art 14 review dave please.
if Dave likes this laptos my pockets get nervous
One Correction: Apple still sells the Macbook Pros in Silver.
Why is your camera out of focus
we need the review of m4 mini
Is the nano texture screen fingerprints magnet? that is the only reason why I did not order it
The opposite actually. Glossy is a magnet for fingerprints.
@ yes it is but it is much easier to clean. Am I wrong ?
@@OSQQ123 You're supposed to use special cloth so fibers don't catch on the etching.
Though I wouldn't want to clean either frequently even if ones easier.
Does the Nano texture affect the colors at all though?
Yes
In sunlight it will protect contrast far better than glossy, indoors there is a difference however many LCD panels still look the same/better unlike etching on indoor OLEDs.
warya dave
Steam on Mac and Ill the happiest man in the world 😋
It would be amazing
The only problem that I have with the macs is you cant ducking play games. And now with Amd and Intel (at least in the Laptop side im looking at you intel) have improved so much and in some things even overtaken apple like battery life or integrated graphics that its hard to buy it for me if its not a complete work thing.
how does the nano texture thing affect black levels?
In sunlight it will protect contrast far better than glossy, indoors there is a difference however many LCD panels still look the same/better unlike etching on indoor OLEDs.
I’m not leaving my M1 until they put Face ID in that notch
Wait, did someone said, games on apple?
"nano texture" == mate display
It's etching on the screen, a bit different but Apples marketing sure is colorful
Where do u get the wallpapers ??
Panels
Sony should switch to ARM for PS 6 in my opinion
Crazy how Apple is 1-2 generations ahead of everybody STILL
They were 4-5 generations ahead for M1 (people just caught up with it last year)
Will you be reviewing any Linux laptops?
very cool very nice
1:58. Who's scream is that
1 thing sir, still no AV1 encode come on that is a legit future tech present in $200 graphics card this thing cost $4k nobody critises
Why do reviewers only ever review the highest SKU for these products when they're released? The vast majority of the unwashed masses will likely buy the base models.