QD-OLED Gets Cheaper - Alienware AW3423DWF vs AW3423DW
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00:00 - Intro, Specs, Design
05:51 - Issues with QD-OLED Panel
07:50 - Response Times and Overdrive Settings
08:42 - Response Time Performance Comparisons
11:00 - Color Performance
12:22 - Brightness, Contrast, Uniformity
13:01 - HDR Performance
16:32 - HUB Essentials Checklist
17:51 - Final Thoughts
QD-OLED Gets Cheaper - Alienware AW3423DWF vs AW3423DW
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I'm honestly most impressed by you getting the name right every single time you say it. To me it all just sounds like a mouthful of letters and numbers with just the last letter distinguishing the product.
HDTVTest would be proud 👏 🤣
Like every other Monitor-Brand, the letters are choosen completly logical/meaningful, too --> So its relatively easy.
AW = Alienware
34 = 34" diagonal
23 = for year 2023/Generation
D = "Dual" HD for 1440p
W = "Wide" for Ultrawide
F = FreeSync-Version
He’s reading off a script
@@marzok9632 oah shoot! I had no idea there was a method to the madness! It makes so much more sense now. Thanks a ton!
In my opinion they should just keep adding characters. Like G for "glossy", ∆ for "triangle RGB", then maybe just arbitrarily decide π°-2 means "178 degree viewing angle" and add that to the name etc.
The way Monitor names just rolls of your tounge, in particular at 5:51, is just amazing. Now that is hard work.
Can't wait for your coverage of the new Samsung and Phillips OLEDs!
The G-SYNC module in the DW-model provides automatic HDR tone mapping for games. This explains the better performance compared to the DWF.
Received the dwf last week, its absolutely stunning!
Great review. I always come back for what I believe is the most important part of any monitor review: the input lag tests. Far too many reviewers leave that out, and it’s really hard to take their reviews even remotely seriously. I’d love it if you guys would review the new ASUS 1440p 360 Hz or Zowie 1080p 360 Hz.
thanks for doing this review, always been looking to figure out the differences between the 2
Those all green squares in response times section are a treat to the eyes. Feels so satisfying.
Thank you for reporting the issues you find to the manufacturer. It's hard to ever get through tech support and provide technical feedback as a consumer and actually have it acted upon.
Amazing review, thank you!
i have good news for U then: i`s not hardware its a software problem. so i`ts a problem addressed to Microsoft /windows now. it will be fixed. and this screen has firmware updater. rly nice!
@@techquad1151 Good to know, thank you for the update! Have you been in correspondence with Dell?
@@ShredBird no im just a tech guy that live to dig and learn :) and this is for all today O-ledd pc monitorer due Windows: font shape actually. To not dig to deep on my text…
Anyway this will be updated. I belive Linus talked about it I finally.
I knew this for 2 months now.
3 months later and it seems like there's still not a new firmware addressing the issue :( (Last firmware as from Nov 2, 2022 at the time of this comment)
Your reviews are seriously a godsend. I’m sure I’m not the only one who appreciates all the effort you put into your videos. Hope this comment brightens your day a little. Thank you
I picked up the 34dwf version and I’ve had it for two days and it’s phenomenal I can’t complain at all.
Is it true you can only set it to 10bit with 100hz?
@@CalasTyphos This is true with an asterisk, yes. Out of the box, at 3440x1440 resolution, only 60/100/165 Hz refresh rate modes are shown in display settings.
165 Hz only does 8 bit color with dithering, 100 Hz does 10 bit color.
Supposedly, setting a custom resolution can allow the monitor to run at 157 Hz and use 10 bit color (haven't tried it myself).
Yeah ive been gaming on mine since July DW ofc and ithese monitors are just great. I can't see myself upgrading until at least the warranty runs out in 3 years
I got the dw when it was on sale because I own nvidia cards. But definitely would've got the dwf if I owned amd cards.
@@EarthIsFlat456 how much did you pay on sale ?
Very happy with my DW. Considering I came from VA. The panel looks gorgeous and sooooo clean! Most of these things you find I don't even realise being the average gamer and all. For racing Sims the monitor is phenomenal as high speed stuff is very clean!
do you get obnoxious fan noise?
@@giobaldu no mate it's not bad at all. I can have the monitor on, middle of the night trying to sleep and can barely hear it.
@@TonyTheTiger1000 Ur so dumb. It's not a bad monitor, maybe just doesn't fit your needs. It's a great looking monitor.
Great review! I picked up the DW based on your review and I'm super impressed. I always went with the DWF but I heard there was some HDR weirdness and I also liked the lower VRR range with Gsync Ultimate and the white/black color scheme. Can't go wrong with either.
Hi, im thinking of geting the DW model also, can you give me your thoughts on the monitor as you've had it for a while, thanks.
@@glitch2998 Still have it and love it. No issues, perfect out of the box. No marks on the screen from bubble wrap. It's tremendous quality and feel from the base to the panel. The only thing you have to get used to is the ultrawide format and get some addons that will crop to the screen if you want. I find that movies scale nicely, especially ones that were made with UWS in mind and videogames. UA-cam is hit or miss since most stuff is 16:9. You can still zoom in but most of the time I don't since I want to see everything. Go with the DW as the DWF still has HDR accuracy issues. As for gaming this screen is god like. In HDR everything gets so damn bright it puts my LG CX OLED to shame. Best gaming upgade I've done since buying my LG CX for my PS5/Series X.
@@KarnageKollectibles how is the fan noise on your DW? I’ve heard some say they hear it/can be loud, and others say inaudible. Maybe the loud fans were from the early adopters?
The audible fan noise (if applicable to newer DWs) and worse input lag makes me want to go with the DWF, but the worse HDR makes me want the DW!
@@Kyler_97 I have never heard the fan. That was one thing that put me off from it but I figured if it wasn't as loud as my PC then it wouldn't be a big deal. I do wear headphones a lot so that might play into it a bit but my PC and PS5 are way louder than anything else that I hear. My PC isn't that loud either. It's just above ambient room noise unless I'm playing a game. I've heard some people say that every monitor is different when it comes to fan noise but I think it's more down to how quiet the room they are in is.
TL:DR. It's a complete non issue. Other than the price, this monitor is damn near perfect IMO. I upgraded from a 27" LG GL850-B.
is there any burn in you experienced since you bought it?
With Samsung’s OLED G8 getting a $1499.99 price tag in US, DWF is a no brainer
Especially considering Samsungs Quality control is dogshit. Lmao
Great review, but I’m more interested in the 27in 1440p OLED monitors coming soon. Get to test drive the LG variant as soon as it ships!
i love mine! i have the original DW with the fixed newer firmware
I'm glad I got the DW based on the hdr eotf curve. I've enjoyed the more accurate hdr presentation compared to my old X27. I was concerned about the fringing from the subpixel array but it turned out I don't notice it unless I REALLY try to look for it.
I'm running an x27 myself. How's the pixel density, and colors and what not.
@@selynar4889 The reduction in pixel density wasn't as bad as I was worried about thankfully. I think the higher contrast of the OLED makes the text look sharper than you'd expect. I do not notice the fringing (as I said before) either which is good. It's not quite as crisp as 4k obviously. But Id say I think it's better than 1440p, though I've not used a 1440p display in a while.
Colors are just amazing on it, though it took a little adjusting, the QDOLED is more accurate than the X27 in hdr (my color meter won't do HDR so I can't calibrate in hdr, only SDR) the end result can appear "flatter" to your eyes at first because it's a more accurate and less oversaturated presentation, this coupled with an overall lower average screen brightness in HDR can be a bit flat looking at first, go play a few games though and you'll realize it's a much better experience. Small highlights have more impact due to the per pixel lighting, details and bright areaa are "crisper" because there's no blooming from the dimming zones. Dark games like Darktide are absolutely stunningly beautiful even without HDR. I played one of the opening missions in Cyberpunk and the police car headlights during one of the background stories were literally dazzlingly bright. The tree in Elden Ring is magnificent, Overwatch 2 is smooth as butter and has very vivid colors. Mw2 looks gritty and real with stuff like overhead lights being very bright when you look up at them. I'm also a photographer who does photo editing on it and the color accuracy is fantastic for creative work as well.
In my dark room the Alienware is way less fatiguing than the X27 in HDR and has a way better presentation due to the complete lack of blooming. In SDR there's no contest the Alienware just flat out wins because of the infinite contrast ratio. Motion is buttery smooth as well and you can easily hit 175hz with a decently capable GPU in lots of titles.
I absolutely loved my X27 mind you and think it's one of the best LCDs you could get, but the Alienware is just better in every way.
I bought this model from Dell the first day it dropped into retail. They delivered the next day. Now thats service. No regrets so far.
Dell is surprisingly reliable, their store has a whole wack of random stuff and it's often on sale lol
I have one and mine as coil whine coming from the back. Is yours completely silent ?
How about watching Netflix? I want to use it for 4K movies, since I don’t have a TV. Is it good? Even if it is 2K display?
just ordered a dwf version ! cant wait! thanks for the reviews Tim!
Any burn in ?
Nice. Waiting for the Phillips, Asus and LG 27" OLED panels...
Great review! Was wondering if the AW2723DF is also in the works for a review? Would love to see the differences in the new version for that one as well. Thanks
I'm returning mine the colours are terrible and they tried to making it to bright with the contrast levels low even with calibration I will not recommend this monitor I will be buying the 34 intch alienware
I personally took the leap on this when the DWF dropped going along with my new 12GB 3080 build. Its absolutely stunning to game on, and worth the money. I also work from home and use it all day for productivity work. Its honestly been great for that too. The 3 year warranty really helped me take the plunge.
What's the Framerates like? I'm currently on a predator x27 4k, but have been thinking of going ultrawide for a while, and the fact that it's oled....
@@selynar4889 Its a 1440 p monitor so your framerates will improve compared to 4k.
@@Daniels656993 Yeah it's pretty much 3K monitor. I know they'll improve but I'm trying to get an idea of what it's like. Will I hit the 157 friends per 2nd so I can run the 10 bit color as well. Or will it be less. I'm trying to decide if I want to switch to ultra wide now or if I want to wait until the next generation of video cards say the 5080 or 5090 Then switch to a super ultra wide or an Oled 4K. I can get a refurbished alien wear for like $900 or by 1200 brand new my 4K monitor still sells for like 12 to $1400. So I just wanna know is it worth switching or should I just wait. How maybe even saw my 3080 and get A4090 when they come back in stock in a few months
@@selynar4889 Framerates are great for me personally. A lot of MW2 recently, and with a lot of things maxed, I'm always over 120 FPS, and hit 140 to 150 FPS on some smaller maps. My only target personally is 120 FPS, everything else is just gravy. But anything over 100 FPS requires 8 bit color. You'd be hard pressed to notice the difference between 8 and 10 bit color without measuring it.
I'm all about dat quality gaming and productivity work. I ain't no stranger to dropping a little cash for the best setup, and it sounds like you made a smart move with that 3080 build and one of those monitors. I ain't never tried the 3 year warranty, but if it helped you take the plunge then it's all good in the hood. Keep on keepin' on, my G.
Thank you, Tim. There's nowhere else I can go to get this sort of information.
6:25 I was surprised by this when I first saw a QD-OLED panel in person. First thought it was running in limited range mode. It did seem like the subpixels were glowing slightly their own color so I wonder how much of this is reflected light and how much of it is ambient light exciting the quantum dots to emit light back. Either way it's nice to see it pointed out although as I mentioned in a comment on a previous video it would be nice to see how much that affects the contrast ratio values in a bright room.
fan noise was what i cared for most. thanks for covering this.
If I remember correctly Jay did a video on the new-ish consumer electronic power laws and found that G-sync monitors (at least all of the ones he had) idled at a much higher wattage than the others(even the freesync ones)
I didn't even know about this until one of the people at Chips and Cheese mentioned this was true of anything with a G-sync module because apparently they don't power down and since they're an FPGA they use way more power than a specialized chip would.
I just ordered mine yesterday, can't wait for it to arrive.
Its my first upgrade from my current 8 years old Samsung U28D590D TN monitor.
How is it after a year
Got the Samsung OLED G8 with this same 34" panel. Had ordered the DW which never arrived, and then waited for DWF which hasn't even released in my country (Finland), so the South Koreans got my money :) I hope I'll enjoy it a long time! Congrats to everyone who have received their QD OLED goodness
Would you check out the Odyssey G8 OLED in the future? I am interested in the difference between all the QD-OLED panels.
Its the same panel, so differences only come from firmware and the hardware. Like cooling, fan, psu...
Dell uses the Samsung panel and its the only 34" oled panel on the market.
I Got also the ich G8 OLED and sold it because all the smart TV stuff was very slow and it is more a TV than a monitor. But it got 144hz 10bit, USB-C…I am happy with the DWF
Dell just released a FW update (M3B103) for the AW3423DWF that should fix the HDR issue ! It would be really interesting to do a revisit of this monitor with the new firmware.
Thank you! I was browsing the comments to see if this issue has been addressed since the video is 3 months old at this point. Looks like I’ll be going with the DWF model for my new PC. Thanks again!
Thats fantastic to know thanks for sharing, you just helped me make my decision.
New firmware is out HDR1000 is now fixed.
What’s the problem
nice vid! I hope you will also review the 27GR95QE from LG :D
Great video, thank you. Also great video quality that looks absolutely stunning on my new DWF!
(It would have been ok to have just referred to "DW" and "DWF" throughout the video)
Would love to know how this compares to the latest announced asus & lg 27" oled 240hz monitors. Especially for color & peak brightness for hdr. Pls tell me you are getting a sample of that lg/asus?
Hope that at the beginning of 2023 we will have some 32 - 4k oled options!
Me too, I got a 42" C2 but it's too damn big. Even a 37" or 36" OLED monitor would be nice, or maybe a 38" ultrawide.
It's what i'm waiting for as well.But it's very unlikely.You can expect 32 inch 4k Oled in Q2 2024, maybe even later.There are mamy technical issues to be solved.
I bit the bullet and picked up one of these last week. I've been absolutely blown away by it.
Good review. Excited for future monitors using this tech, if the subpixel layout must stay the same, I hope maybe a 27-32" 4k version can improve text clarity.
The text clarity is not due to the resolution here
2k is quite enough to have a clear text with a good panel. We just need improvment from the os we use
Thank you for giving feedback to Dell. Hopefully they actually fix the HDR performance issues as my DWF that I got this week has awfully blown out HDR performance to where its unusable. However, I did buy the panel for its other strong points and I mainly game SDR 99% of the time anyways. I am not sure why the 10-bit colour restriction got a shrug off tho tbh. If the DW can do 10-bit at 144Hz then why on earth is the DWF lacking here. Manual timings seem to work via nvidia control panel but I can not get manual timings to work with AMDs software. It keeps calculating the G. Pixel Clock wrong, which then throws timing total off. Either or excellent review I am relieved about my purchase especially now we know the DWF is king of total input lag!
I think they gimped the top end Hz and 10bit aspects to give a selling point to the DW.
@@vertigo_one The most probable reason. Though some lad got the 10-bit on DWF all the way to 157 hz with manual timings. Posted all the info on Reddit too, shouldn't be hard to google it.
The community over on Reddit has been a bit confused about how this monitor behaves compared to the DW for AMD vs Nvidia users specifically for HDR. The source tone mapping option doesn't show up for AMD GPUs while it does for Nvidia GPUs, but that maybe seems to be because it's always on by default for AMD GPUs?
I know it's unlikely, but it'd be lovely to have some sort of follow-up from an experienced reviewer on whether there are differences noticeable in the behavior of the monitor when using one GPU brand over the other. Every big review I've seen appears to use Nvidia.
I believe this is because on AMD it uses FreeSync Premium which already does source side tone mapping in supported apps/games. For what it's worth I primarily test on an AMD GPU, but B roll is captured in an Nvidia GPU. It looks pretty similar but can't say I did in depth AMD vs Nvidia testing
This monitor with an AMD GPU is using it's AMDs own version of source tone mapping, which is supposed to be superior to the option, which is why it's grayed out. He reviewed using an AMD GPU and EOTF is still garbage and ppl confirmed it still clips early so not dynamic tone mapping like the AWs HDR 1000 mode either. Seems like HDR is borked on this monitor.
@@s1aver1 Isn't the clipping the entire point? It shouldn't be dynamic tone mapping. I imagine as a console option it's there so you can actually use the ps5 and xbox hdr calibration with the monitor and would work like the hgig option on lg tvs. And from what i've seen people are saying the source option fixes issues with hdr for them.
@@BugLondon Dynamic tone mapping is probably the wrong term. If you use the PC equivalent the Windows HDR Calibration app the the DW(HDR 1000) calibrates to 1000 nits as you'd expect but the DWF(no matter what you do) to 500nits this likely due to the overly bright EOTF tracking. So you are forced to choose between overly compressed range or clipping(if you just set it to 1000 anyways).
The DW adjusts EOTF rolloff based on MaxCLL metadata I don't believe the DWF does this. Also adjusts EOTF rolloff based on and based on % Window to prioritizes preserving highlight detail where as the APL on the DWF in HDR 1000 seems more aggressive than Trueblack 400, which given the the panels limitations doesn't make sense for an HDR 1000 mode.
@@s1aver1 i have seen people say the get the windows hdr calibration close to 1000 with different contrast settings. From what i have seen from samdung displays and their tendencies toward intentional overbrightening there has always been ways to impact the eotf with some user settings as well. although having an accurate picture mode is preferable anyway.
if you change the panel's timings to the cvt-rb preset, you can get 10 bit 150hz. with custom timings you can get 165hz 10 bit
Just got this, replacing an older AW3418DW (IPS). It’s fantastic, and the text fringing is not as bad as you would think. One interesting tidbit, if you Google for it you can run up to 150hz 10-bit color with a simple custom resolution profile, and it works perfectly. If you consider this monitor as a 144-hz gsync compatible 10-bit monitor, it’s well worth the current $800-$900 USD cost. Strongly recommend using a colorimeter to calibrate the monitor, it helps tame the over-saturation as the reviewer mentioned, it really helps. Works perfectly with Gsync, which was a big concern I had.
Bought the dwf upon release. While it has no audible fan noise to me, my monitor had a significant amount of coil whine stemming from where the processor is located close to the top right part of the monitor. Noticed it immediately when working in a quiet room. Seems to be a wide spread issue but only noticeable to those with sensitive hearing. Seems like it is back to the 3821dw for me, which sucks because the oled screen itself is amazing.
Had to return mine too for the same thing
Thanks for the warning, I'm very sensitive to coil whine and similar noises! Shame would've liked this monitor. :
Liar
@@CoffeeeNBears I still have the monitor and can still hear the whine. Come on over and hear it for yourself.
IDK if the newer DW are quiet but mine was delivered in July and I've never heard the fan once. could be newer firmware.
I returned my dw when I heard the dwf was coming and I'm glad I did. For the price it's no different to me, and honestly even with my nvidia gpu I can't tell if the module made a noticeably worthwhile addition.
With that said, I've had some oddities such as Windows dropping HDR (I had to re-enable it a lot to fix the problem which could be driver specific) and the monitor showing DP1 disconnected until I did a power cycle and then the issue went away. I might still have to RMA if this continues, but hoping that firmware bugs and issues with HDR can be resolved.
DWF is superior in every way, from idle power to having no issues regarding the GSYNC module adding noise, latency, etc... plus it's cheaper. It is an upgrade in every way. Nice!
Yeah but you don't get real gysync
Something I noticed on the AW3423DW using HDR in windows 10 vs windows 11 in Halo Infinite. For some reason the input latency was higher in windows 10 using HDR where I couldn't hit my targets due to the input lag. Though with HDR turned off the input lag was quick and responsive. Coming from a Samsung G7 240hz I know what low input lag should feel like. In windows 11 with HDR turned on the input lag felt just as good as the G7. Just curious what OS HUB used when measuring input latency on the AW3423DW?
This is far and away the best comparison between the two models I have found. Thank you. Helped me decide to get the newer cheaper model to pair with my 3080.
Another great Monitor review, since watching you guy's I have learned a lot of monitors.
1440p
The newer Freesync model AW3423DWF out of the box has a problem with HDR in games where black/very dark areas are actually grey and desaturated/washed out in color.
I noticed the issue first in Resident Evil Village, and just recently again in Borderlands 3.
You can work around the game HDR blacks-are-grey issue by using the monitor's on-screen display settings, go under Game, turn Console Mode ON, then under the same Console Mode setting, turn Source Tone Map ON.
My brother has the older AW3423DW model and his monitor did not have this problem.
No? I do not have this issue at all. On my DWF. I didn’t have to set it to console mode and all my HDR content have been SUPERB
probably the gsync module doing its thing. Interestingly, the DW still has flickering on dark scenes occasionally.
@@RingTalks yes, it is an issue - I have the same problem. Are you using an AMD or Nvidia graphics card?
@@RingTalks Might be hardware specific. I'm running an RTX 3070 with 5800X3D.
For both games, the HDR looks great when the scene is well lit. I didn't notice anything off until I was looking at low-light textures indoors.
For Resident Evil Village, I first noticed the issue during the first bit of gameplay in Ethan Winters' house, while you walk around the place holding the baby. Looking into the glass cabinets, instead of seeing the wooden texture behind the glass, I saw patches of grey. The first save point inside the church also had this kind of grey pattern where I expected to see dimly lit wood textures.
In Borderlands 3, I saw this effect going on in pretty much every corner of a building, where the light was dimmest. Interestingly, using Win+Shift+S keyboard shortcut to take screenshots reverted the image (temporarily, for the screenshot) back to SDR, where the textures and color were returned to normal. Playing either game in SDR did not have this issue.
I tried changing between 8 bit color with dithering and 10 bit color, updated graphics drivers, updated to Windows 11 (hoping the auto HDR would fix this issue. It didn't, would also have the same problem), disabling Gsync, disconnecting my second monitor, etc. Nothing fixed the HDR blacks in-game until I stumbled upon a reddit thread where someone said Console Mode + Source Tone Map fixed their issue: www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/yw1ekw/hdr_issues_with_new_aw3423dwf/
I'm definitely not alone with this problem.
@@ZekeS- I am using Nvidia, no issues with my panel at the moment.
I truly wish they would finnaly do a 32inch regular monitor at 4k with these specs.
This is the holy grail I've been waiting for. I've tried and returned several OLEDs since the 48" C1, but I have decided 4k 32" OLED, non-widescreen is what I am waiting for. Here's hoping 2023 is the year they make one.
@@JohnDowis Never had any of these displays as they simply dont fit on my desk, and are to big anyhow for my liking.
Hence why i just wait for a regular 32inch 4K screen.
5K and 6K monitors for the bigger sizes is a welcomed one too.
Got this monitor when it was released and on sale. Been loving it for a month now. Using it with my 2070 super. Gaming with it is amazing. Media consumption is unreal. However for photo work in creator mode and using a spyder calibration device I only get 93% sRGB. So I’m editing in standard mode calibrated and get 99% sRGB.
Got my AWF last week and I’m in love, it’s beautiful
One HUGE difference which has been missed here is that the original DW which I own can't receive a 4k signal from media devices like the Fire Stick. Because Amazon and Disney don't support HDR 4k content in the browser you are literally unable to watch any content from them in HDR on your incredible HDR monitor... But I heard that this isn't an issue on the DWF?
can't you make a custom resolution to bypass this issue with amazon and disney?
The latest firmware upgrade somewhat fixed the HDR issue. You just have to set the contrast to 67% and make a few other tweaks. Found all of that on Reddit and now the monitor is flawless... but you have to dig to find the optimal settings and then key them all in. Still not perfect out of the box.
Do you have a link to the settings guide?
What r all ur settings?
hello Tim
thanks for this amazing review I especially love your HDR performance comparison videos
in that light I was wondering if you have the Philips Brilliance 7000 27B1U7903 planned for review anytime soon?
I think that being a 4K monitor with 2304 dimming zones it is something I would like to see on the testbench
regardless keep it up I will be watching your content
Thank you for this indeep, fantastic review. So much knowledge, i bought this monitor after watching. Honestly, you are a trusted source, i will continue to watch and listen. Respect.
I'm normally a massive proponent of the Gsync module in LCD monitors due to Nvidia's excellent implementation of variable overdrive. I never see any ghosting or inverse ghosting on my AG273QG largely because it can switch overdrive modes depending on what I'm playing. However, I've decided to upgrade to this monitor over the variant with a Gsync module because you don't need overdrive on OLED monitors.
So you bought the AMD freesync ultimate version and you still can use Gsync?
@@Markalot284 yes
What is thr gsync performance like? I have read that it's not great with flickering in some situations
@@AR-ke8wg its monitory by monitor cases - hardware g-sync module don't have anything to do with it other then hardware g-sync also mean certification that test for it. You can have great VRR is both cases but lack of certification in vesa vrr mean a bit more wild vest.
I will say it again - its certification not hardware, so if nvidia or someone makes certification without hardware it would have similiar value.
@Markalot284 Yes, Nvidia cards (Pascal aka 10 series and newer) are compatible with all "Freesync" monitors since a driver update in 2019 (or so). The ones conforming to Nvidia requirements are called "G-SYNC-Compatible," but all "Freesync" monitors work. The function can be activated in the Nvidia control panel.
Still no regrets with the DW since I've used it for so long, the fan noise is annoying at times. Other than that, can't go back to a matte coating anymore, glossy simply looks much better. I even swapped out my secondary monitor to a 16in OLED from Asus, once going OLED, can't go back!
Has there been any burn in
@@indian-tech-support nope
@@WhiskyTanuki what do you mainly use it for and are there loads of static content , watching UA-cam. Thank you
@@indian-tech-support mostly daily web/some word processing, youtube, gaming, some games might have static content, and I don’t use auto hide task bar, no burn in yet
@@indian-tech-support won’t be too worried with the 3 year burn-in warranty, after that I’d probably upgrade to something else
The no audible fan pretty much sold me on this model. I was always tempted to get the first one but kept hearing about faults.
Yeah the input lag and fan-noise was a dealbreaker on the older model. Currently waiting for my DWF :)
I have a recent DW variant with updated firmware and there is no fan noise audible in my quiet room, nor could I spot any image quality problems so far as I can see. Gorgeous image quality. Text rendering is fine to my eyes considering this is a gaming monitor. I also prefer having the GSYNC Ultimate module since it can sync down to 1 Hz, but both variants are excellent purchases.
No fan noise in a quiet room? That's some next level stuff right there. And the image quality is gorgeous? I'm all about that high-def life. And the GSYNC Ultimate module syncing down to 1 Hz? That's some serious business. If you're looking for an excellent gaming monitor, this DW variant sounds like the way to go.
Dang, I wished mine was quiet when I had the DW version. In my quiet room it was very loud. Swapped it for a 42" C2 and it has no noise issues and text looks better.
At what time do you game at 1fps?
@evanm.fabiano3332 Chess maybe? I struggle to understand the benefit. Because ordinary VRR monitors just duplicate frames when they go out of range (20fps->40Hz etc.) It sure doesn't matter for power consumption as the G-Sync module uses quite a lot by itself.
Damn, a hardware Gsync module adds 5 ms of input lag? That's not negligible at all!
if we disable g sync?
As always, a great offering thanks.
Only reason im not getting this monitor is widescreen and i sure hope we will get normal version of this monitor
in germany the Odyssey g8 oled was available for a short time and i got my hands on it with a student discount and a free 2tb ssd and man that monitor is a clear 10/10, before that i had the dw but the fan noise was ridiculous. and I've heard the dwf still has 1 fan and annoying coil whine (due to the psu being in the monitor). the Odyssey g8 oled doesn't have a fan and the psu is external so no coil whine, the g8 even came with a protective cover which i haven't even removed, it's really well attached with no bubbles etc. 👍(this also prevented the scratching problem that the dell monitors suffer from) and the hdr performance is astonishing. the inclusion of a remote and pretty much smart tv features are a welcome addition. for example you can update the firmware via wifi... i hope this helps somebody who's thinking about buying an oled monitor.
edit : oh yeah it has rgb too :D it can sync with what's on the display, however it is a bit laggy, so the colours need like half a second to match what's on the screen, i hope a software update will fix that, also for anyone interested i paid 1350 euros, sold the 2tb ssd for 150 so that's 1200 for the monitor and the dwf costs 1100 here. also remembered the g8 can do 175hz 10bit no problem, i hope hardware unboxed will review it soon as it's a damn interesting monitor compared to the dell
All sounds perfect apart from it's curved. Now it they could release a flat one...! 😄
@@james.telfer honestly the curve is very subtle, it's nowhere near as bad as the Odyssey g9 curve...
Sounds good, except the G8 can't sustain a high brightness level at all due to the lack of fan… OLEDs get hot. You need a fan or heatsink.
hope you right cuz I already bought one :D hope it comes before christmas
@@james.telfer You'd want a flat ultrawide? 👀
The variable refresh rate with the DW model goes down to 1 frame for those heavy games that run
tearing is less of an issue at low fps with a high hz monitor. and if you're going to spend $200 more on a sub 60fps adaptive sync module, maybe just spend $200 more on a better gpu?
@@Born_Stellar Good point. Best to spend to 200 more on a higher end gpu than 200 more on a monitor to make up for a lesser end gpu
Great review! What settings in DisplayCal would you use to calibrate this?
I'm curious: are the fans still loud in a quiet environment? I had to return my 3423DW because of that irritating fan noise.
Wow, I didn't expect dropping the g-sync module would affect the input lag like that. Would be interesting to see some TN panels as well in your test comparison sheets. Maybe the benq Xl2566k would be worth testing?
The input lag for this monitor is exactly the same they just updated their testing method to more accurately measure OLED panels
@@mugabugaYT Did you even watch the review? The processing lag dropped by 4.4ms…
@@mugabugaYT 9:40 In the video it is attributed to the scaler. He also tested the g-sync version with new testing method, I think that was related to response time, not input lag.
@@mugabugaYT Can you elaborate or post link / reference?
I (and a lot of other people) hit an issue in HDR where dark tones would be severely washed out unless we put the monitor in Console Mode and enabled Source Tone Mapping; did you notice this ever, and what GPU did you use while testing? (One theory going around is that only Nvidia cards experience the severe wash out issue)
I had this issue in both Resident Evil Village and Borderlands 3 so far. Source Tone Map fixed it in OSD settings.
RTX 3070 + 5800X3D.
I had this issue (though I'm using DW not DWF) in RE village, 4090 + 5600x. I don't have the source tone mapping option, but changing to 10 bit 144hz and hdr auto off worked for me.
I have not had any washed out issues on my 6800XT with or without console mode (source tone mapping is always greyed out), but I have only played cyberpunk and monster hunter rise.
Yeah I was on a call with Dell and explained the issue in detail. It's over to them to fix it.
@@Beokabatuka MHR looks beautiful on these monitors
Was the input lag tested with the GSYNC module on or off, the difference is huge.
This monitor is currently at the top of my list.. I do want to see what CES will show before I make the purchase.
I've had the DWF for a few weeks now and I love it. It's crazy how responsive this monitor is over my old LCD monitor. One thing Tim mentioned was how if you want 10-bit color you have to turn down the refresh rate to get it. What he didn't mention is that on the G-Sync DW model you can get it by turning the refresh rate down to 144 Hz, whereas on the new DWF model you have to turn it down to 100 Hz as there is no 144 Hz setting for the monitor. That is a much bigger sacrifice to get 10-bit color on the DWF. This is another thing Dell can fix with a firmware update though, so hopefully they do that. I've seen a lot of people complaining about it, so I'm sure Dell is aware of it.
try setting custom resolution maybe?
This is false - you can get 10-bit at as high as 150hz on the DWF.
Not true at all. I have the DWF running at 10bit and 144hz, and you can go as high as 157hz.
doesn't really matter that much, just use max refresh rate with 8bit+FRC
@@cresp0 Yes, with manual overclocking. There's no built in 144 Hz mode and most people have no idea how to manual overclock a monitor panel.
Got this monitor 4 days ago and its absolutely perfect. Just a heads up if looking to purchase, make sure you ask Dell Chat for a better price as they knocked mine down by $60
You just simply asked for a discount? Is this for the UK or US?
I can attest to this. I did the same and got 5% off and free overnight.
@@mxracer0327 wtf. Are you for real? Where are you from? Did you just ask for a discount or did you beg a little? Like "I want it but it's a little expensive" kind of thing.
@@mxracer0327 you can get up to a 10%, just got about £100 off, so might be worth trying again…
@@arrken33 are you a student or NHS hero? - you can get 10% off
Thanks for the comparison
Hot tip - Alienware monitors, made by dell, sold on the dell ebay store.. usually the same price as the dell website, but can be had with a discount code and free shipping.
That is a massive reduction for input latency, really kills the Nvidia myth that G-Sync is a competitive advantage.
GSync is superior because it has a wider operational fps range than FreeSync. Not sure what you’re referring to regarding input lag.
@@JackoWillMakeLives-loveu True. I have bought the DW precisely to get GSYNC because it can keep in sync with the monitor down to 1 Hz. I think the non-GSYNC models are limited to 48 FPS minimum.
@@CTSpartan yeah, I have an RTX 4090 and I don’t just play games on it. Being able to support lower GSYNC refresh rates is useful when working with complex Blender scenes and also editing 24 FPS film content
@@CTSpartan you were right though, it’s not a useful feature for playing games as long as you have a beefy enough GPU.
The FPGA module is so outdated now
I want the non-curved oled monitors to be available!!! CES 2023 sounds like they're going to showcase a bunch.
Can you please do a deep dive into gsync differences between the two models? If the dwf does gsync well enough I would go with the dwF model as the black colors works much better for my setup. Thx
Lg c2 42 inch is on sale this week at Best Buy for only 799! Just picked that up. Absolutely gorgeous
Really, I may have to get it at that price.....
@@Apollo-Computers I think you have a day or 2 before the sale ends but I am enjoying it a lot
Can anyone remind me what the advantage of the G-Sync module is supposed to be? Seems to me like it's all downsides in this case.
From what i've heard: HDR tone mapping, variable overdrive and support for
@@Raivo_K The better LFC has been useful on some 30 fps games I simply can't run at a higher framerate due to broken physics. That's the only scenario I actually make use of that though.
@@MLWJ1993 Isn't frame doubling a thing? Pretty sure the monitor can just run the same frame twice, so you get "60" fps when the game is running at 30. I've heard of that anyway.
@@MrHamof that is exactly what LFC is (Low Framerate Compensation). It doesn't always work well on Freesync displays though.
Now, in 10 years I might be able to afford something like this.
Still, thank you for all the hard work on reviewing this.
Why can't you afford it? It's not that unattainable to anyone employed unless you have debt or a lot of outgoing expenses. I only work part time 20 hours a week but I could buy one after saving up 2.5 months. I don't have a car and live minimally though.
@natesilvers2166 It may be dependent on his local living standards. In a third-world country, the price of the monitor could easily be about 4 months of salary. And they, of course, mainly need that money to live from.
As an owner of the original DW model I am just happy that more people can afford and experience QD-OLED.
I run it at 144hz 10bit so honestly there's no difference except cost between the two. For anyone on the fence, if you can afford it, get the DWF for an incredible OLED experience.
I’m so drunk and high got DWF I have a nvidia Alienware so I was thinking I made a mistake but your comment made me feel good broski ya I could spend 400$ more for g sync but there both dank either way I appreciate this comment ima keep my DWF
thank you for the review.
One hassle at the moment : Why does the DWF Monitor switch OFF after PixelRefresh and doesnt go to Standby ?? Each time i have to turn on it again after Refresh :(
Still the DWF has a Fan in it. Lost one of the two from the DW. But i never heard the one in my DWF. Only when it is set very bright and often white scenes it spins audible.
Also Dell offers 5 Year Warranty upgrade for most Monitors EXCEPT the QD Oleds. So thats not a good sign.
Hi. I have the F version. As far as I'm aware you can just ignore the pixel refresh until you turn the PC off. It will do the pixel refresh while it is in standby. There is an option you can check to tell it to do it when it's in standby mode.
I set mine to automatically run the pixel refresh only when the monitor goes into Stand-by and it will go back into Stand-by after it's finished.
@@EliteProductions3129 That is ok but the refresh has to be done every 4 Hours and i want the Display to do the refresh when its needed.
It wouldnt go in standby on mine because i use it 8-12 hours.
@@residentCJ I have a second display and Win + P to turn off the main display when I feel like I'm hitting the 4 hour mark. I wasn't going to live with that annoying popup interrupting games and whatnot for something I can manage myself pretty easily.
@@residentCJ Also, I think being TOO careful is a bad way to go about it. If it's going to burn-in you want it to happen during the warranty period. Be extra cautious after they've replaced it and/or you're past your warranty date.
I would’ve gotten this had it had HDMI 2.1. I have a Series X and PS5 on top of my pc so I really need that. Hopefully the new LG OLEDs coming out have 2.1.
Or you could go for the LG C2 42" OLED that supports HDMI 2.1 and is an excellent monitor for PC use as well.
@@iceman2266 42 inches is way to big for me, I did think about it but I don’t want a monitor that big.
LG should have some 27" OLED monitors coming out in a few months. A standard aspect ratio would probably suit your needs better.
@@TheEnd0117
You can make a custom resolution for pc and use a smaller screen size. 1440p is 28".
@@EliteProductions3129 for sure. They have their 240hz OLED 1440p coming out this month. I’m waiting on reviews before I pre order one.
great video.. but main question is if its gonna be sold like AW3423DW (Dell websites/Amazon and few others big retailers) or availability will be wider.. cause its kinda pain in the a** to buy one in some EU countries
Love your review mate !
I got my DWF yesterday and oh boy... HDR OLED is a gamechanger but I am honestly not sure if 1100 euros are worth it. I might return it.
look at it from the perspective that you're doing your eyes a favour with the significantly decreased blue light
@@StevoHDA you mean increased, right?
@@StevoHDA It's negligible. If you go outside in sun light you get so much more blue light from just being outside for a few minutes than sitting in front of a screen all day.
@@WyattOShea oh right yeah here comes the mythbuster. Well done. It's obvious blue light isn't going to be like the day and its also obvious most people use their monitors at night ESPECIALLY these qd oleds that are made for gaming after a work day. Less blue light in the night DOES improve eye strain and DOES improve sleep quality. Why tf do I have to specify this to you.
@@StevoHDA Idk why you're so pressed about my comment bro you ok?.
You literally wrote "look at it from the perspective that you're doing your eyes a favour with the significantly decreased blue light"
As in somehow blue light from monitors were causing big issues with people and all I was saying is that it was negligible if you didn't know as the sun according to different studies I've read puts out literally 100k the amount of blue light of most monitors so even one tenth of that would be so much more than any monitor that the amount of blue light from a screen shouldn't influence your buying decision as it makes so little of a difference.
You never mentioned anything about sleep quality or anything up until your reply with me. I was just going off of what you wrote in the first place lol there's no need to be a douche to me for just trying to inform you on something when I thought you didn't know as evident from your original comment.
Sat twiddling my thumbs waiting for a 38” version.
Sat? Meaning You did jump on this one after all? ;)
@@laggmonstret Nope still waiting to replace my LG 38 with an OLED 38.
Great review! Will you be reviewing the Samsung-equivalent S34BG85 at some point?
i now have a DW, and i love it!!!!!!!, thank you!!!!
The older model has been on sale and cheaper than the newer AW3423DWF regularly...for example BF sales had the older model on sale $200 cheaper than the 'F' model
Yes and for 200$ less you get no firmware updates and a lousy fan cooling the useless g-sync module.
@@owlmostdead9492 not at all..
Recent AW3423DW's have different firmware to launch models that featured in reviews.
I don't hear any fans on mine that has the latter firmware especially over my PC fans..
Gsync module helps to eliminate issues like VRR flicker that we've seen in LG/Samsung displays particularly when using HDR and VRR together ..some manufacturers can't even do both simultaneously
Fan noise from a monitor would be a deal breaker for me. I didn't even know active cooling for displays was a thing.
You can't hear it. The idle noise of your PC will be louder than the monitor's fans. You especially can't hear it if you're playing any other audio from music/videos/games etc.
@@VictusPrime Facts. I can confirm.
@@VictusPrime The main problem on long term is that it gets noisier as it gets dusty, it can also get noisier as the fan gets older and starts to break down as every mechanical device does. And probably you can't clean it easily to make it less noisy.
OLED TV can never keep their peak HDR brightness because of this. Only a few rare TV's, like Sony, uses heatsinks to minimize heat
Excellent video, thank you!
I bought the Samsung OLED G8. Can’t wait for the review
Cheaper OLED monitors are good. We need a 4K OLED, 32", 240Hz with good HDR under $1000 US.
Without risk of burn-in!!!
@@mjsa4914 And that makes coffee
Does the AW3423DWF still have the same issue as the AW3423DW. Aka the fact that it refuses to show very dark colors, and instead make them noticable more bright then they should be?
I have two 3423DW and only one of the two is affected by that behavior, interestingly it's the newer of the two with the newer firmware which is affected by what you've described. The older one has a much better dark gamma handling able to display dark near black content. To make it similar, I have to set the newer model to gamma 2.6... while the older is at 2.2.
It's likely due to panel variance... Probably it's the same for DWF some are better than others...
@@SagittariusAx mines brand new from a really good black friday sale, so it also has the newest firmware.
Honestly i highly doubt the gamma curve to be a panel issue as much as a firmware issue.
And the DW can only be firmware flashed at the factory :(
Really considering returning it even though i like the colors.
In darktide its silly that the gamma slider basically does nothing until it reaches -0.97 when the left image just disappears from having been way to visible.
Can you use VRR + HDR at the same time when using nvidiia card and this freesync version monitor?
Not sure if i just missed it or if this was implied, does the dwf model work with HDR and Gsync at the same time like it would on the DW model?
are you aware that dell is shipping the dw and dwf in such an awful way that leaves smudges or many hairline scratches on every monitor?
instead of shipping the monitor with that plastic peel thing like samsung does.
you should warn viewers who are not aware of that, cuz buying the alienware is a gamble.