Don't Ride Foot Out Or Kneedown???
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2023
- In our experience most riders do way too much on the bike. Too much movement and too many inputs. Combine that with watching the fastest riders in the world staying put on the bike made us ask the question, should we just ride neutral all the time???
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This is how I have always rode, just like the pro example you gave only much slower 😂. Seriously, i learned to ride in the woods and it was easier to control by keeping my feet on the pegs, I do drop butt cheek over when aggressive. It’s good to see my style done on a pro level, thanks guys!
thank you!
Good points! I started keeping my feet on the pegs riding motocross a bunch of years ago, only putting the foot out when I absolutely needed it. I eventually adopted that same style on my supermoto. If I do take my foot off, it just comes off the peg and hovers over the surface, not stuck out MX style.
Thanks for pointing this style out. And by bringing the real point of "do what feels most comfortable for you, but consider giving a different method a try"
There's not a hard right/wrong, and that's hard for folks here in binary land :)
Yep - 100%. Smooth is always faster, and trying to conform to a specific style is usually not. If there's points for style - have at it!
yep different story when the camera is out!
Great subject...
- Brandon Paasch significantly leans over and backs it in almost every corner
- Most SuperMoto riders push the bike down, leg out like they are going through a deep rut. That is probably what inspired this riding style in SuperMoto
- Supermotorschool in Netherlands teaches to push the bike down and leg out when training for very, very tight cornering but then instructs to tuck legs/foot in for less tight, wider corners (no inside leg out)
- Moto Gymkhana riding style kinda seems to be more and more the way to ride SuperMoto. The difference is elbows up. Left foot balls on peg and right as well but also ready on the rear brake.
Ride like you want with the least amount of input that takes the corner fastest seems like the best advice. But only after you have practiced all of the cornering techniques.
least amount of input is the call! whatever takes a lot of work is wrong generally.
I grew up on 90's 2 stroke ktm's, inside leg out, weight on the outside of the seat and through the outside peg. Now on a heavier but bigger cc faster bike, neutral works better. Geometry, suspension and tyres have all moved on. I'm sure they also help with turn in and change of direction, without needing to shift body weight around the bike.
Anytime the bikes is moving is time you can't be on the throttle, and staying nuetral and smooth simply allows for less drama/more gas!
I fully support the "backing it in" crowd. It looks cool and definitelly I'd do it more controlled if I could.
looks cool, usually slower with most riders.
I signed up for a September event. Coming from Texas. Have a lot of track experience. Absolutely none on a Supermoto. Nervous and excited to see how how will do! Cant wait!
You're gonna do rad and stoked to have you!
I do a lot of trackdays but never done supermoto. looks like a blast! definitely going to give this a try
Fly on out and ride with us!!!
Thank you!! I've tried different styles and neutral always felt best to me. It also helps me with brain overload - same reason I bang down gears and let the slipper sort it out vs blipping
What bike are you talking about? 690/701?
There's room for preference, but blipping is almost never the call in sm
Its very interesting. I was first doing only leg out, Then started to do some knee down. Then i notice that the leg out is much better for a earlier apex and smaller radius turn. Kneedown carry more momentum leaving inside line open in a race. I started to dive the weight of my upper body after apex on leg out to be able to give more gas. I attemped the new neutral technique and its felt slow and lazy. Its feeling like the neutral position carry alot of momentum but turning radius is eaven wider than knee down. In still playing with all 3 trying to mix match some stuff until if feels more natural and effective. We would like to have a consistent rider doing a video of the 3 different techniques with lap times and compares the lines choices taken. I feel like we might do it wrong. Thanks for that small video. A more detailed video about it would be super instructive. Keep up the good works guys!
Honestly you won't know for sure until you get lap times. Our coach Krino thought he was slow af kneedown, but he actually put consistently faster laps in that way.
@@socalsupermoto You are absolutely right with laptime alone on the track, But if you are actually racing with other peoples carring high momentum does not win inside line and ended up being cutted off. I think sometimes sketchy lines wins races so you protect your position doing very late inside entry and late apex wide to cut high momentum fast rider entering wide and hot.
Foot out is an incredible method of hammering and pogoing breaking a foot and the knee from compression fractures!
Yeah so if you do go foot out make sure it's up by the front fork guard to keep from jamming your ankles and knees
Good Stuff!
Yew!!
Funny, was just thinking about this the other day. Interesting.
we be reading your mind over here.
Was at Apex this weekend, and I stayed with butt off to the left basically the entire time.
that tells me what direction they were running. such a fun track
but but but...how will I flex on the sport bike riders if I don't back it in all the time😫
fair question...
Just like road racing style evolves, I think super moto style also evolves.I gotta admit foot out + radical low angle looks cool but don’t think this is the only right way. Cheers!
word!
I guess it’s not just the position itself, but a combination of what else you do on the bike, including g use or rear brake, etc
That's really the underlying point. Hammer the fundamentals and don't worry so much about which bp
@@socalsupermoto This is what Motojitsu as well as other instructors on youtube say all the time, and it makes perfect sense.
I never rode aggressively with all the seat/weight shifting... I'm a noob, but I got shit at S Cal SM for riding neutral five years ago....LOL
if a rider is running wide, not turning a tight enough radius we'll still tell em to shift their butt and push the bike down, and we still coach foot out on the tight hairpins. So I'm sticking by it :)
neutral = wider entry no?
I do feel like as a beginner going for the hard braking then shifting your weight sorta off the bike to put your knees down makes the bike a bit unstable if you can’t do it smooth enough
as a beginner just do nuetral, quickish transitions, perfect lines, and early gas before you worry about anything else. goal is to get the turn over with and back on the gas. new riders worry too much about bp and lean angle.
So far I'm still fastest with butt out and knee down but am slowly getting this and am finding not having to move around on the bike so much is awesome but it still feels really weird.
Old habits die hard..
Honestly if anything feels weird or takes work, it's wrong for you. Whatever takes the least amount of work is usually the right answer.
So, I imagine you have to run slightly less corner speed if you stay neutral? If I don't get my butt off the seat a little on the mini, I'm dragging foot pegs.
mini is a whole different thing, i lean off inside due to lack of ground clearance
Neutral has more entry speed than legout because of getting a later apex line with less angle.
I'm an old guy , turn 64 this coming August. Haven't rode in decades but I really want to take your course. Any suggestions to prep. My goal is to become a better safer rider on the street. Any yeah, I want a supermoto for street.
Old guys welcome! Honestly any seat time at all is good prep for the course. We start off slow so no worries either way!
After your vid i watch the belgian S1GP and jup. Doing less is more?
Yup!
Euro definitely feels more natural to me. Less effort, smoother, overall I’m quicker that way. Less crashing too lmao.
same same, foot out on the tight stuff still
Where is this track ???🤷♂️
Just west of Riverside, California. Adam's Motorsports Park.
Riverside ca come on out!!
It kinda sounds funny to say this, but police riders have known this for decades. They stay fully neutral, but damn are they hard to shake off.
Yep moto cops aren't doing a bunch of unnecessary nonsense.
Awesome way to explain it. I've found after breaking leg and destroyed knee from big crash I find it safer to keep my feet on pegs. I think that's abit of what Jett Lawrence is doing in mx/sx, he looks alot more smooth and balanced almost looks like he's not going hard but then you see the gaps he pulls are huge. Avagud1
Same same, I'm going foot on the pegs except for tight turns.
Pros used to use a mix riding style, depending on the situation of the track to go fast. Pascarella did that well.
yup!
i don’t want to comment about what is better.. i would just like to say that when i see knee down on a supermotard it seems to me absolutely rediculous… 🤮
leg out and neutral with a little body movement are more than enough for sm i think, besides sm tracks are tighter, no big long curves, no much speed… and if it s not.. i don’t care.. it doesn’t fit.. just does NOT fit the knee down on sm.. the whole picture..
Whatever works is right. So many folks make the call based on aesthetics. For me kneedown is tiring and slow. It's also how the lap record was set so.....