I own the Oberon 1. At their price point they are an excellent speaker. Great mids, and in my desk system the top end is just right and always stunned by bass output…..no smearing with the mid range. Nice😊
Both are good speakers, both are winners, and it all depends on your preferences. B&W has highly detailed highs that detail lovers will love. Dali is a more organic sound. Regarding the sound stage and the images I think you have to listen to them in person.
@@roybrolsbeak no. Still with them. Sound keeps being great. Perhaps better after the first two months. I'm sure there are better speakers, but for US $500, these are a good choice.
amp is very warm for the dalis and you can hear the discomfort from them. b&w love warmth since their tweeters are very expressive in the highs and can seem tinny.
I previously own B&W 683 S2, I would say B&W is more fit for people who wanted to have a sweeter vocal sound ... Both shared different sound preferences. For those who love musicals/string kinds of things, Dali would be the one you are looking for. For jazz/pop, just get the B&W one and you would be happy with it. PS: currently using Dali spektor 2 in living room, still acceptable for me in general.
Bonjour. C'est étonnant comme les 2 modèles sont distinctement typé. L'Oberon 1 s'adresse à l'auditeur avec authenticité brutale. Alors que la 607 S2, plus en rondeur, restitue une ambiance sonore mais en excluant l'auditeur. Existerait-il une enceinte intermédiaire ? L'amplification joue-t-elle un rôle significatif sur, disons, les contours du son offert par l'enceinte ?
Love your vids. Despite what most people say, you can tell the characteristics of the speaker from a UA-cam clip. This one goes to BW, more refined, full bodied sound. My opinion
My first thoughts were that the 607 S2 seems to have less harsh and slightly more refined treble than the 606 S2 in the last test. I have no guess as to why, but it would be a very worthwhile trade-off for the 606's deeper bass, wich might make me want to kill myself less. That's the best I can say about them. The Dali's are nearer to the realm of remotely neutral sounding, with liberal amounts of upper and center midrange and more soft edged and musical, but slightly spitty treble. They are still quite on the lean side of neutral, lacking weight and authority in the lower mids and bass regions. I could live with them with warm amplification and a sub, but they fall short of being my favorite among the speakers compared on this channel.
B&W sound sweet, beautiful, due to the color of high frequencies. Low compared to Dali also dominate. I have heard many critics of Dali for their too pronounced high frequencies, but B&W surpassed them in color))))) More beautiful, and I like it, at B&W, in my opinion, although Dali is not bad either!
It's a shame that the Dali Oberon 1 lacks bass because otherwise it sounds pretty decent with voices and very open compared to the more bassy B&W which except having more bass sounds unnatural and V shaped. However the Oberon does well with voices but the upper mids are pretty forward and so i find the Dali a bit harsh in that region while the B&W have a harsh treble
Les aigus de BW sont détaillés, mais en aucuns cas ils sont dur, peut être que l'enregistrement de cette vidéo ne rends pas hommage aux BW. Je possède des 603 S2 et j'ai pu écouter des 607S2 ( que je vais m'acheter pour un deuxième système) le son n'est absolument pas fatiguant.
I have a subwoofer so am getting the Dali's tomorrow. Will do a sound test versus another option I have, but I hope the Dali's with subwoofer wins because I also think they look cool.
Je bondis quand je lis certains commentaires ! Il suffit de choisir n'importe quelle musique joué par les 607 et de fermer les yeux jusqu'au passage sur les Dali pour voir que les Dali ne sonnent pas correctement. Quand ça passe sur les Dali, j'ai l'impression qu'on amplifie le son d'un smartphone dans un tube de papier toilette ! (Ex à 3m10 , 14m00 ) Sur certains morceaux, avec les Dali, les aigus sont complètement noyés par un haut médium trop envahissant. En tout cas, félicitations pour cette vidéos on distingue clairement les différences sonores entre les deux produits. Je regarde vos vidéo avec attention, et je dois dire que j'ai été extrêmement surpris par le comparatif RA12 vs CXA61 qui paraissent assez proche sur la vidéo alors qu'ils ont complétement différent l'un de l'autre. J'ai pu tester les deux en même temps chez moi, je n'ai pas du tout aimé le CXA.
Bedroom is a good example where voices are pitched up by the 607's (in octaves). I get it when sound is a bit modified to add warmth or depth etc, but a pitched up voice is crossing a redline, imo. This is unfort. more than a V-curve signature, and not in a good way. The Oberons are tonaly much better balanced, which I prefer. Maybe tweaking the trebble a bit, what can be done with simple tonecontrol, if needed. The 607 can be tweaked too, however, you can't tweak screwed up voices easily (without a professional parametric equalizer). 😄 My credits go to the Oberon.
Dali has a more correct sound, and the opponent has pronounced and emphasized upper and lower frequencies, the average frequencies are slightly underestimated.
From the 607 S2 speakers, mid range is so recessed it sounds unreal. For the same driver size, 607 S2 has more bass, which is actually pretty significant for people who want bass from small speakers.
Interesting comparison. Can I just point out that the Dalis are supposed to have their grills on. Dali voice their speakers with the grills on. Also they should NOT be toed in. Both these things make them sound brighter than they are.
It sounds like the typical B&W with nautilus tweeter ... Spacious but you pay the price in the middle ... If only there was a leaver on the speaker so I could choose filter configuration depending my listening mood ...
I've heard both of these models in person, back to back. Why anyone would ever pick the Dalis, is a complete mystery to me (and I've had many Dali speakers and like the brand). But I suppose that just proves that sound is very, very subjective.
I personally just like the mids. And i "dislike" the thinner shinier highs on the B&Ws. Bass wise i must say the Dali is great. But i like how the B&Ws extends further. But im a Sennheiser kind of guy. Sennheiser also has this "natural" timbre. Lush Mids. Dry but sweet bass not extending far down but just punch differently. But yes what i am trying to say is. It is very subjective. Both are very Linear and revealing. Both have their strengths and few weaknesses. I think in the Headphone world Beyerdynamic vs Sennheiser is very similar to B&W vs Dali. Same quality. Different sound. You wont miss anything on either. But prefer either the one or the other. For example that Jazz Part (I usually am more of an Acoustic, Strum, Picking, Rock, Metal, Blues guy) really shows the Saxophone in a direct but warm and sweet way on the Dali to me. Where on the B&Ws its more in the backround and "thinner". The timbre is everything in the end and thats up to taste. I love my Mahagony Guitars. Others like their Spruce Tops. (I love both but you know what i mean :)
Mmm dunno, dunno) I’m having Oberons 3 now and actually I feel I’m regularly getting tired while listening due to really huge scene, rich vocals and highs and also really deep bass. So you receive a really loooot of information by ears. Everything is performed very well - rich deep juicy but I feel tooo juicy, the sound is too intimate, soft and I want less scale and more accurate sharp bass instead of Oberon’s substantive but not concrete one. And Im thinking about some more fast speakers now. What experience do you have?
I watch the video with Dali Spektor 2. Dali Oberon 1 produces a more balanced and natural sound. Although B&W 607 S2 seems to be more successful at upper frequencies, its dose is much higher than normal.
Wow! The Dalis sound really really good! They may just be a contender to unseat the R200 and Q350! The 607s still sound too recessed in the midrange for my taste, although a bit less so on some songs than the 606, probably because the smaller woofer has better horizontal dispersion at the top of its range
The Dali's approach reasonable midrange balance, but only untill around 600 to 700 hz. Below that they're a bit lightweight and lack body and bottom end authority. How can they de-throne the top or 5 or so best speakers on this channel?
@@williammiebach1798 After listening to them again, compared to the R200 and 3030i, they have nice upper mids and treble, but you're right, they are far too thin and lean in the upper bass and lower mids. I much prefer the Polks and even the 3030i. I'm so spoiled by the R3, R200, and Q350 that even the Metas sound too lean in the bass to me now
Just heard them in a studio and the q350 sound worse actually much details was simply missing with way to much bass as if every Frequenz has been lowered, the Dalis were better with lesser bass but not very spatial. The 607 were very spacial with very good details in mids and highs. The bass was not powerfull but VERY present because of its clarity and details. You should realy hear them in real live
Came here because I'm looking for a new set of speakers. Not an audiophile so I won't use all the fun technical jargon, but to my ear the Dali sound cleaner, crisper, clearer... more like live music. The B&W sound flat, washed out, hollow.... Given the choice, I'd go with the Oberons.
@@SirTubeALotMore Not realy Just Play along. They say the moving parts and dampers need about 50h for perfect movement but there are Test and other stuff that measured that there is no difference before and after 50h playtime.
The Dali's ones, got more stronger mid range, and the B&W More Clarity And Deeper Sound, Both brands are very good choices, i got the 607s and sounds pretty good.
Wow, Oberons! One of the other channels I usually watch tends to use the Oberons as his point of reference for comparisons. I used to have a pair of Zensor 1 many years ago. They were great speakers, and very good value for money. Although I could buy them at cost price, so it was even cheaper. Those 607s, as detailed as they are, are just way too fatiguing for me. Even with some treble modification, I feel there is so much being left out in the mid. Seems like a common complaint. Just a question, as I'm new to "audiophilia", what makes the mid recessed? Is it the cross over? The material of the woofer/tweeter, or the driver?
It's mainly a poorly designed crossover that isn't handling the balance between the woofer and tweeter well, often trying to make the woofer work higher than it should by setting the crossover too high, in order to protect a less than robust tweeter from being damaged by too much power. All drivers, whether woofers or tweeters, produce less than stellar sound at the extremes of their range, both low and high, so it's the designers job to design a crossover that doesn't allow the drivers to play and be heard at those frequency extremes, and for the drivers to overlap smoothly, without any detrimental interactions. It's also caused by drivers that aren't really a good match, coupled with a crossover (and front baffle design) where the drivers aren't in phase where they overlap and that causes cancellation of some frequencies
@@DougMen1 Thanks for the great answer. Very articulate and I now have a better understanding of it. So I guess if you had someone like GR Research doing a mod on the crossover might balance out the frequencies, or would the fix need to be made at the design/pre-production stage?
@@snakeobias No, Danny has done those kind of corrections on many speakers, and the B&W 606S2 is one of the ones he's recently done. I don't always necessarily agree with his assesment that much more expensive caps and inductors make as large a difference in sound quality as he claims, but I have little direct experience in that area. That being said, his design experience at making a speaker much better balanced than when it left the factory is beyond reproach, IMO. Many of those things I talked about are the exact kind of things he also talks about on his channel, and I've learned a lot from him. There are some speakers where he says that the drivers are just too poor or too poorly matched for him to be able to do anything to improve them, but those are in the minority. There are others, where the speaker is so inexpensive, that he doesn't feel it's worth spending a lot of money on a high quality crossover that would cost far more than just buying a better speaker. There are others, like the Micca RB42, that he was very impressed with, but the cabinet is just too small to fit the larger aircore inductors and other parts that he would use in a newly designed crossover for it. There are very few where he said he couldn't do much to improve them, but there are some that he said were so well designed that he wouldn't change the crossover design other than using the same values, but with higher quality parts
@@DougMen1 fair enough. Thanks again for your insight. I guess the one thing missing from his channel is demos, or discussions on the sound of speakers. I've only watched a couple but he really only talks about the improvements in objective terms, like frequency responses etc. Now, I know that a lot of audiophiles and experienced people can understand those charts and get a good idea of what the sounds is actually like, but he could at least give a before/after sound demo of how the repairs/mods have improved them. I mean, I bought my Q350s recently, and since then I've started to see negative reviews in terms of some frequency charts etc (ones I never noticed in my research prior to buying), but I still feel the speakers work well for me, so seeing how a few tweaks would actually change the sound would be worthwhile, perhaps.
@@snakeobias Don't worry too much about critics or measurements. Your own ears tell you if you like them or not. Sometimes a good measurement chart or spinorama can tell you a thing about it's expected performance (in room). For example, the R200 have a specific ring radiator tweeter. Downside is that they beam a bit, narrowing the sweetspot. Klipsch got a beaming hornlike tweeter. Upside is, although narrow beaming, that reflections or distortions are far less (from sidewalls). This beaming/sweetspot is more of a problem when you sit close(r) to the speakers and/or too high/low, etc. In everyday use it's likely not that noticable at all. The 350's are good speakers with decent dispersion. I would choose them all day long above the 606 or 607 S2's 😄, because they are balanced enough. Most important, you can have excellent speakers that can sound crap in your room, due to specific reflections or frequencies, amplified by your walls. Less speakers can sound fantastic when room interaction is mild, etc. You can't really predict based on charts. Charts can tell you a bit about how neutral a speaker is, bass response, bright, forward, laid-back, etc. You said it, 'I like them'. This is all what counts. 👍
I just came here to see which one would be the brightest sounding star in the sky... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 But on a serious note, Dalis are designed to be used without any toe in. Says clearly in all their manuals, they are supposed to measure flat with speakers firing straight down the room. Not the Oberon 1 though, ASR measured it and it was one bumpy ass response. 😂 But I would definitely take the Dali over the disgusting sounding midless B&W anytime anyday.
Very interesting. When I listening on ipad better bw, but when on hifiman arya - I preffer dali. More middle, more open higher. But littlr less bass, because
For me it depends on the song and music. I felt the B&W did better on the vocal, and classical and jazz. To be fair i own both and if i want to rock out in my garage i crank my Oberons attached to my old trusty Marantz receiver- 80 watts never sounded as good and loud. The B&W are in my office attached to my Rotel A-11 Tribute. I love that combo for accoustic guitar and stand up bass and for jazz
you should do these tests with a dB reader, setting 2 speakers to the same amp number doesn't make a fair test. The DALI's are harder to drive, so they're quieter.
Klangcharakteristik klar verschieden. B und W klingen m.E. weitestgehend hintergründig er, ueberbetonen die Höhen urplötzlich ab einer bestimmten Frequenz, passt zu der heutigen Syntimusik, die In zwei Jahren Out ist. Die Tendenz hat die Dali zwar auch, aber der Kippunkt ist tiefer und nicht so extrem..... Ich bin für die Dali.
I have the 607 S2 it's a good speaker, Oberon bass another level . Triangle BR02 not 03 beats them both .. but need a long run in 60+ hours then Wow ..
No, I can't be too kind to this small B&W, 607 has nothing similar like its big brother 606, sorry. Dali has hint of bright treble, but far natural mids compared.
B&W sounds amature. Harsh didn't understand the phasing issue on them. Feels like listening from behind the speakers while the Twitters facing you. Lol. Dali is also has soms distortion at 15k. The high hats sounds metalic
Wow didnt realize how much b&w changed. Many people write about the v shape response of the newer 600 series and being bright. Seems they are right. I have a pair of old 685 s1 that are totally the opposite of the todays 600. Full mid and sweet highs. Sad to see b&w choses the more commercial way
I'm Mr Grumpy today. Not too fond of the Oberon 1s either but if audio gear all sounded more alike than different where would we be ? Audio communists matbe LOL.
J'aime beaucoup les deux enceintes, tres difficile de choisir, mais j'ai l'impression que l'équilibre est mieux sur la dali, esthétiquement je préfère la bw, je compte l'associer a l'ampli denon ceol n11, quelqu'un pourrait me donner son conseil sachant que j'écoute essentiellement du rnb, hip-hop et soul, Merci
B&w počuť že sa jedná o malé reproduktory, malé skrinky, ktoré sú všeobecne takmer nepoužiteľné pre hi-fi, rovnako aj dali spektor 1 je príliš malý a produkuje tiež podobné deformácie zvuku. Dali oberon 1 hrá ako veľká sústava kde nepočujeme repro ale hudbu. Chýba už len Subwoofer , pretože stredy má vynikajúce.
Oberon 1 have a good potential, but the crossovers in them are not only of 2nd order, but for some reason are made of the WORST componrnts, possible to find in the modern Hi-Fi loudspeaker industry 🤷🏻♂️ It has been proven, that components, drastically, affect the soud quality, and heaply made components produce ceap sound. Oberon 1 have a desent cabinet and drivers. They also look fine, but did they really have to SEVE those few $$$ on crossovers, just to KILL the potentially good sound ❓‼🤔
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I had listened to both and I bought oberon 3. Pair with yamaha Rn2000a. Very happy with it
I own the Oberon 1. At their price point they are an excellent speaker. Great mids, and in my desk system the top end is just right and always stunned by bass output…..no smearing with the mid range. Nice😊
Both are good speakers, both are winners, and it all depends on your preferences. B&W has highly detailed highs that detail lovers will love. Dali is a more organic sound. Regarding the sound stage and the images I think you have to listen to them in person.
Highly detailed highs = artificially-boosted highs.
@@ec6843 Nothing wrong with that in this case
Oberons 1 are amazing. I got two myself. And really enjoying them.
did you get other speakers after, were they better / more enjoyable ?
@@roybrolsbeak no. Still with them. Sound keeps being great. Perhaps better after the first two months. I'm sure there are better speakers, but for US $500, these are a good choice.
amp is very warm for the dalis and you can hear the discomfort from them. b&w love warmth since their tweeters are very expressive in the highs and can seem tinny.
Oberons sound wider more spacious but i have these Bower and Wilkins speakers and they are excellent.
I previously own B&W 683 S2, I would say B&W is more fit for people who wanted to have a sweeter vocal sound ...
Both shared different sound preferences. For those who love musicals/string kinds of things, Dali would be the one you are looking for.
For jazz/pop, just get the B&W one and you would be happy with it.
PS: currently using Dali spektor 2 in living room, still acceptable for me in general.
I listen to Jazz, Big Band Sound, Blues etc and the speakers have also to play Dire Straits and similar. So go for the B&W?
Bonjour. C'est étonnant comme les 2 modèles sont distinctement typé.
L'Oberon 1 s'adresse à l'auditeur avec authenticité brutale. Alors que la 607 S2, plus en rondeur, restitue une ambiance sonore mais en excluant l'auditeur.
Existerait-il une enceinte intermédiaire ?
L'amplification joue-t-elle un rôle significatif sur, disons, les contours du son offert par l'enceinte ?
Love your vids. Despite what most people say, you can tell the characteristics of the speaker from a UA-cam clip. This one goes to BW, more refined, full bodied sound. My opinion
Bower play like an V shape equalizer don't have attack on midle region.
My first thoughts were that the 607 S2 seems to have less harsh and slightly more refined treble than the 606 S2 in the last test. I have no guess as to why, but it would be a very worthwhile trade-off for the 606's deeper bass, wich might make me want to kill myself less. That's the best I can say about them. The Dali's are nearer to the realm of remotely neutral sounding, with liberal amounts of upper and center midrange and more soft edged and musical, but slightly spitty treble. They are still quite on the lean side of neutral, lacking weight and authority in the lower mids and bass regions. I could live with them with warm amplification and a sub, but they fall short of being my favorite among the speakers compared on this channel.
B&W sound sweet, beautiful, due to the color of high frequencies. Low compared to Dali also dominate. I have heard many critics of Dali for their too pronounced high frequencies, but B&W surpassed them in color))))) More beautiful, and I like it, at B&W, in my opinion, although Dali is not bad either!
It's a shame that the Dali Oberon 1 lacks bass because otherwise it sounds pretty decent with voices and very open compared to the more bassy B&W which except having more bass sounds unnatural and V shaped. However the Oberon does well with voices but the upper mids are pretty forward and so i find the Dali a bit harsh in that region while the B&W have a harsh treble
Les aigus de BW sont détaillés, mais en aucuns cas ils sont dur, peut être que l'enregistrement de cette vidéo ne rends pas hommage aux BW.
Je possède des 603 S2 et j'ai pu écouter des 607S2 ( que je vais m'acheter pour un deuxième système) le son n'est absolument pas fatiguant.
I have a subwoofer so am getting the Dali's tomorrow. Will do a sound test versus another option I have, but I hope the Dali's with subwoofer wins because I also think they look cool.
Wow, those B&W sound like sizzling bacon!
Je bondis quand je lis certains commentaires !
Il suffit de choisir n'importe quelle musique joué par les 607 et de fermer les yeux jusqu'au passage sur les Dali pour voir que les Dali ne sonnent pas correctement.
Quand ça passe sur les Dali, j'ai l'impression qu'on amplifie le son d'un smartphone dans un tube de papier toilette ! (Ex à 3m10 , 14m00 )
Sur certains morceaux, avec les Dali, les aigus sont complètement noyés par un haut médium trop envahissant.
En tout cas, félicitations pour cette vidéos on distingue clairement les différences sonores entre les deux produits.
Je regarde vos vidéo avec attention, et je dois dire que j'ai été extrêmement surpris par le comparatif RA12 vs CXA61 qui paraissent assez proche sur la vidéo alors qu'ils ont complétement différent l'un de l'autre. J'ai pu tester les deux en même temps chez moi, je n'ai pas du tout aimé le CXA.
Moi aussi je bondis quand j'entends autre chose que des médiums en retrait!
Sound Staging of the Oberon 1 is perfect. B&W was good as well, not bad just missing the centre staging.
Bedroom is a good example where voices are pitched up by the 607's (in octaves). I get it when sound is a bit modified to add warmth or depth etc, but a pitched up voice is crossing a redline, imo. This is unfort. more than a V-curve signature, and not in a good way.
The Oberons are tonaly much better balanced, which I prefer. Maybe tweaking the trebble a bit, what can be
done with simple tonecontrol, if needed. The 607 can be tweaked too, however, you can't tweak screwed up voices easily (without a professional parametric equalizer). 😄
My credits go to the Oberon.
Sry but I cant listen to that song.
Who sais the B&W modify the voice and the Dali don't. Beside the fact that speaker can't pitch up tones...
Dali has a more correct sound, and the opponent has pronounced and emphasized upper and lower frequencies, the average frequencies are slightly underestimated.
From the 607 S2 speakers, mid range is so recessed it sounds unreal. For the same driver size, 607 S2 has more bass, which is actually pretty significant for people who want bass from small speakers.
I prefer the warmer, natural and full bodied sound of the DALI but the B&W has better bass extension
Interesting comparison. Can I just point out that the Dalis are supposed to have their grills on. Dali voice their speakers with the grills on. Also they should NOT be toed in. Both these things make them sound brighter than they are.
It sounds like the typical B&W with nautilus tweeter ... Spacious but you pay the price in the middle ... If only there was a leaver on the speaker so I could choose filter configuration depending my listening mood ...
Dali more balanced and bold sound. 607 is treble overlap all mids.
B&W sound recorded, Dali sound like live music like youre there
I have both of them and Oberon is better in every way,B&W tweeter is too high and bass very deep,both great speakers but my pick is Oberon 3😉✌️
Thanks for the tip! Does the Oberon have a wider soundstage? And what amp do you use?
B&W winner 🏆 and price difference is there B&W are very expensive
I've heard both of these models in person, back to back. Why anyone would ever pick the Dalis, is a complete mystery to me (and I've had many Dali speakers and like the brand).
But I suppose that just proves that sound is very, very subjective.
And that you can't compare speakers on UA-cam i mean is this a Joke ?
I personally just like the mids. And i "dislike" the thinner shinier highs on the B&Ws. Bass wise i must say the Dali is great. But i like how the B&Ws extends further. But im a Sennheiser kind of guy. Sennheiser also has this "natural" timbre. Lush Mids. Dry but sweet bass not extending far down but just punch differently.
But yes what i am trying to say is. It is very subjective. Both are very Linear and revealing. Both have their strengths and few weaknesses.
I think in the Headphone world Beyerdynamic vs Sennheiser is very similar to B&W vs Dali. Same quality. Different sound. You wont miss anything on either. But prefer either the one or the other.
For example that Jazz Part (I usually am more of an Acoustic, Strum, Picking, Rock, Metal, Blues guy) really shows the Saxophone in a direct but warm and sweet way on the Dali to me. Where on the B&Ws its more in the backround and "thinner".
The timbre is everything in the end and thats up to taste.
I love my Mahagony Guitars. Others like their Spruce Tops. (I love both but you know what i mean :)
Mmm dunno, dunno) I’m having Oberons 3 now and actually I feel I’m regularly getting tired while listening due to really huge scene, rich vocals and highs and also really deep bass. So you receive a really loooot of information by ears. Everything is performed very well - rich deep juicy but I feel tooo juicy, the sound is too intimate, soft and I want less scale and more accurate sharp bass instead of Oberon’s substantive but not concrete one. And Im thinking about some more fast speakers now. What experience do you have?
Monitor Bronze 100 are nice
Dali-voices are natural sounding. Bass not enough.
B&W- BBC dip for ears confort.good sound
I watch the video with Dali Spektor 2. Dali Oberon 1 produces a more balanced and natural sound. Although B&W 607 S2 seems to be more successful at upper frequencies, its dose is much higher than normal.
Mas dinamismo y naturalidad tiene el Dali oberon 1
Wow! The Dalis sound really really good! They may just be a contender to unseat the R200 and Q350! The 607s still sound too recessed in the midrange for my taste, although a bit less so on some songs than the 606, probably because the smaller woofer has better horizontal dispersion at the top of its range
The Dali's approach reasonable midrange balance, but only untill around 600 to 700 hz. Below that they're a bit lightweight and lack body and bottom end authority. How can they de-throne the top or 5 or so best speakers on this channel?
@@williammiebach1798 I said MAY, pending direct comparisons.
@@williammiebach1798 After listening to them again, compared to the R200 and 3030i, they have nice upper mids and treble, but you're right, they are far too thin and lean in the upper bass and lower mids. I much prefer the Polks and even the 3030i. I'm so spoiled by the R3, R200, and Q350 that even the Metas sound too lean in the bass to me now
@@DougMen1 The dali Oberon 3 would compare better to the Polks and Kef's Q's
Just heard them in a studio and the q350 sound worse actually much details was simply missing with way to much bass as if every Frequenz has been lowered, the Dalis were better with lesser bass but not very spatial.
The 607 were very spacial with very good details in mids and highs. The bass was not powerfull but VERY present because of its clarity and details. You should realy hear them in real live
Came here because I'm looking for a new set of speakers.
Not an audiophile so I won't use all the fun technical jargon, but to my ear the Dali sound cleaner, crisper, clearer... more like live music. The B&W sound flat, washed out, hollow....
Given the choice, I'd go with the Oberons.
Bit hard to hear on my phone.
But I have had Dali's for many years and I still like them.
B&W 607 are significantly smoother and faster! DALI Oberon 1 are far from ridiculous
Did you gave the 607 the 50hours of playtime before testing as described by B&W
Any specific recommended power for 50 hours?
@@SirTubeALotMore Not realy Just Play along. They say the moving parts and dampers need about 50h for perfect movement but there are Test and other stuff that measured that there is no difference before and after 50h playtime.
yes, you need to use white noise, followed by pink noise, brown noise, and white noise again. That's the break in secret.
Bowers : Clean ...Sophisticated ...Polished...Dali..Rip In...Up and at Em Vibe
The Dali's ones, got more stronger mid range, and the B&W More Clarity And Deeper Sound, Both brands are very good choices, i got the 607s and sounds pretty good.
Wow, Oberons! One of the other channels I usually watch tends to use the Oberons as his point of reference for comparisons. I used to have a pair of Zensor 1 many years ago. They were great speakers, and very good value for money. Although I could buy them at cost price, so it was even cheaper. Those 607s, as detailed as they are, are just way too fatiguing for me. Even with some treble modification, I feel there is so much being left out in the mid. Seems like a common complaint.
Just a question, as I'm new to "audiophilia", what makes the mid recessed? Is it the cross over? The material of the woofer/tweeter, or the driver?
It's mainly a poorly designed crossover that isn't handling the balance between the woofer and tweeter well, often trying to make the woofer work higher than it should by setting the crossover too high, in order to protect a less than robust tweeter from being damaged by too much power. All drivers, whether woofers or tweeters, produce less than stellar sound at the extremes of their range, both low and high, so it's the designers job to design a crossover that doesn't allow the drivers to play and be heard at those frequency extremes, and for the drivers to overlap smoothly, without any detrimental interactions. It's also caused by drivers that aren't really a good match, coupled with a crossover (and front baffle design) where the drivers aren't in phase where they overlap and that causes cancellation of some frequencies
@@DougMen1 Thanks for the great answer. Very articulate and I now have a better understanding of it. So I guess if you had someone like GR Research doing a mod on the crossover might balance out the frequencies, or would the fix need to be made at the design/pre-production stage?
@@snakeobias No, Danny has done those kind of corrections on many speakers, and the B&W 606S2 is one of the ones he's recently done. I don't always necessarily agree with his assesment that much more expensive caps and inductors make as large a difference in sound quality as he claims, but I have little direct experience in that area. That being said, his design experience at making a speaker much better balanced than when it left the factory is beyond reproach, IMO. Many of those things I talked about are the exact kind of things he also talks about on his channel, and I've learned a lot from him. There are some speakers where he says that the drivers are just too poor or too poorly matched for him to be able to do anything to improve them, but those are in the minority. There are others, where the speaker is so inexpensive, that he doesn't feel it's worth spending a lot of money on a high quality crossover that would cost far more than just buying a better speaker. There are others, like the Micca RB42, that he was very impressed with, but the cabinet is just too small to fit the larger aircore inductors and other parts that he would use in a newly designed crossover for it. There are very few where he said he couldn't do much to improve them, but there are some that he said were so well designed that he wouldn't change the crossover design other than using the same values, but with higher quality parts
@@DougMen1 fair enough. Thanks again for your insight. I guess the one thing missing from his channel is demos, or discussions on the sound of speakers. I've only watched a couple but he really only talks about the improvements in objective terms, like frequency responses etc. Now, I know that a lot of audiophiles and experienced people can understand those charts and get a good idea of what the sounds is actually like, but he could at least give a before/after sound demo of how the repairs/mods have improved them. I mean, I bought my Q350s recently, and since then I've started to see negative reviews in terms of some frequency charts etc (ones I never noticed in my research prior to buying), but I still feel the speakers work well for me, so seeing how a few tweaks would actually change the sound would be worthwhile, perhaps.
@@snakeobias
Don't worry too much about critics or measurements. Your own ears tell you if you like them or not. Sometimes a good measurement chart or spinorama can tell you a thing about it's expected performance (in room). For example, the R200 have a specific ring radiator tweeter. Downside is that they beam a bit, narrowing the sweetspot. Klipsch got a beaming hornlike tweeter. Upside is, although narrow beaming, that reflections or distortions are far less (from sidewalls). This beaming/sweetspot is more of a problem when you sit close(r) to the speakers and/or too high/low, etc. In everyday use it's likely not that noticable at all. The 350's are good speakers with decent dispersion. I would choose them all day long above the 606 or 607 S2's 😄, because they are balanced enough.
Most important, you can have excellent speakers that can sound crap in your room, due to specific reflections or frequencies, amplified by your walls. Less speakers can sound fantastic when room interaction is mild, etc. You can't really predict based on charts. Charts can tell you a bit about how neutral a speaker is, bass response, bright, forward, laid-back, etc.
You said it, 'I like them'. This is all what counts. 👍
Sound is in the ear of the beholder.
I just came here to see which one would be the brightest sounding star in the sky... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 But on a serious note, Dalis are designed to be used without any toe in. Says clearly in all their manuals, they are supposed to measure flat with speakers firing straight down the room. Not the Oberon 1 though, ASR measured it and it was one bumpy ass response. 😂 But I would definitely take the Dali over the disgusting sounding midless B&W anytime anyday.
Fun fact: we all listen them to compare them on our home speakers/headphones or sadly phone inbuilt speakers 😅😅
how about with yamaha a-s301 amp?
Very interesting. When I listening on ipad better bw, but when on hifiman arya - I preffer dali. More middle, more open higher. But littlr less bass, because
For me it depends on the song and music. I felt the B&W did better on the vocal, and classical and jazz.
To be fair i own both and if i want to rock out in my garage i crank my Oberons attached to my old trusty Marantz receiver- 80 watts never sounded as good and loud.
The B&W are in my office attached to my Rotel A-11 Tribute.
I love that combo for accoustic guitar and stand up bass and for jazz
you should do these tests with a dB reader, setting 2 speakers to the same amp number doesn't make a fair test. The DALI's are harder to drive, so they're quieter.
nice video but hard to compare since you dont play the same part on the track . so i have to find another youtuber . its the only reson .
Dali is better for rock/metal.
Klangcharakteristik klar verschieden. B und W klingen m.E. weitestgehend hintergründig er, ueberbetonen die Höhen urplötzlich ab einer bestimmten Frequenz, passt zu der heutigen Syntimusik, die
In zwei Jahren Out ist.
Die Tendenz hat die Dali zwar auch, aber der Kippunkt ist tiefer und nicht so extrem.....
Ich bin für die Dali.
I have the 607 S2 it's a good speaker, Oberon bass another level .
Triangle BR02 not 03 beats them both .. but need a long run in 60+ hours then Wow ..
.... I went for the Triangle BR02’s out of the three, only done 25hours so still waiting to love or not! ...
I have just bought BW on sale for £350
(607,s2) they sound lush ....
B&W 607 S2👌👌👌
607 too many highs, too sharp, metallic sounded.
Dali better tonality, well balanced, but too 2D imaging, closed sounding
B&W 607 S2 😎
Dali have a better balanced sound. Mid range is very better in Dali.
Oberon 🧚♀️ more natural sound B&W more detailed I like Oberon 1 better.
No, I can't be too kind to this small B&W, 607 has nothing similar like its big brother 606, sorry. Dali has hint of bright treble, but far natural mids compared.
B&W sounds amature. Harsh didn't understand the phasing issue on them. Feels like listening from behind the speakers while the Twitters facing you. Lol. Dali is also has soms distortion at 15k. The high hats sounds metalic
DALI Oberon 1 - win
Dali 👌👍
Wow didnt realize how much b&w changed. Many people write about the v shape response of the newer 600 series and being bright. Seems they are right.
I have a pair of old 685 s1 that are totally the opposite of the todays 600. Full mid and sweet highs. Sad to see b&w choses the more commercial way
The B&W is more enjoyable except for the crash and burn which it’s crashed and burnt
I'm Mr Grumpy today. Not too fond of the Oberon 1s either but if audio gear all sounded more alike than different where would we be ? Audio communists matbe LOL.
Really? What is it you don't like about the Dalis? I think they sound really good
B&W are too "sandy" for my taste, but these are just my ears, not yours ofc. so good luck everyone with finding best speakers for you.
B&W 100 %
J'aime beaucoup les deux enceintes, tres difficile de choisir, mais j'ai l'impression que l'équilibre est mieux sur la dali, esthétiquement je préfère la bw, je compte l'associer a l'ampli denon ceol n11, quelqu'un pourrait me donner son conseil sachant que j'écoute essentiellement du rnb, hip-hop et soul, Merci
well in my country dalis have 400$ and b&w have 700$...so.....
It really boils down to which one sucks the most (overpriced junk)...
B&w is more clear
🤙👍🤙👍🤙🎵🎶
Dali's midrange tone is richer
Not even close, Dali Oberon.
Bowers and Wilkins sounds more clear
B &W seem more expansive
Dali wins
B&w počuť že sa jedná o malé reproduktory, malé skrinky, ktoré sú všeobecne takmer nepoužiteľné pre hi-fi, rovnako aj dali spektor 1 je príliš malý a produkuje tiež podobné deformácie zvuku. Dali oberon 1 hrá ako veľká sústava kde nepočujeme repro ale hudbu. Chýba už len Subwoofer , pretože stredy má vynikajúce.
Bowers 607 S2 are better ! More détails, dynamic, fast, 🎸
B&w the best.
Neither are listenable for long. The B&W's are too shrill in the highs, and the Dali's are way too colored in the mids.
607
B&W take the term soundstage too far, it plays everything as if sound was coming from far side of concert hall.
Баурс реально детальней
Bad measurement. Speakers should not face to you they should face straight forward...
dali sounds very bad ...b$w is like an expensive car ,,,,smooth and tight ,,,,dali has very hard sound
both sound like crap..+ on a arcam its not terrible!
The music is so awful.. it's not that it's terrible.. you know they don't care to make it sound good..
Wow, those B&W sound so bad that I couldn't listen any longer. Muddy bass and tizzy highs. The Dali are worlds better, much more enjoyable.
Dali Oberon 1 have bigger and clearer sound...
Los B&W carecen del rango medio y los Agudos están completamente exagerados. 😰. Mucho mejor en esta comparación los Dali ☺️
Dali suena mejor
Pointless exercise
Oberon 1 have a good potential, but the crossovers in them are not only of 2nd order, but for some reason are made of the WORST componrnts, possible to find in the modern Hi-Fi loudspeaker industry 🤷🏻♂️ It has been proven, that components, drastically, affect the soud quality, and heaply made components produce ceap sound. Oberon 1 have a desent cabinet and drivers. They also look fine, but did they really have to SEVE those few $$$ on crossovers, just to KILL the potentially good sound ❓‼🤔