Forget Joaquin Phoenix´s age, which is obviously not right for the role ( he´s way too old to play Napoleon), what I want to know is: why does he play Napoleon like if he´s playing again Arthur Fleck from Joker? Napoleon Bonaparte was by all historical accounts an extremely charismatic, energetic, brilliant & shrewd military commander/statesman/ leader of men. In this movie, Napoleon is NONE of this.
Why ?? Why he play addict roles and psychiatric cases roles ??? ´cause he fit with this roles. He is addict and crazy. It’s look like they put a depressive crack addict in this role it’s ridiculous.
@@iamgermane Absolutely not, they should have gotten a younger actor and put some make-up on him for the last part of the movie where he plays the older Bonaparte, to make him look older. Digital de-aging tech is still not good enough.
He basically admitted he had no idea what to do with the role and was given absolutely no direction from Scott or the writers. I don’t blame him for the way the movie turned out, his performance was bad but he wasn’t given any real tools to work with.
It seems like a joint Scott/Sony decision. Sony hiring Pheonix is the closest they've been to the Oscars in years. I imagine Ridley is on good terms with Pheonix and wanted to work with him again. I think Phoenix was all for it during the pandemic, got a ton of material on Napoleon, then got the script and was think "This isn't going to work but I signed that contract..."
Napoleon was born in 1769, he would have been 34 when he was crowned Emperor. Joaquin Phoenix, pushing 50, looked it, plump with big body did not look like Napoleon who was slim, boyish and charismatic. I admire Ridley Scott for his many movies, but sadly his Napoleon should have been played by a much younger actor.
Don’t hate on Joaquin cause he’s and actor and not you… you talk as if your a big shot in the industry, you have no idea what your talking about nor do the rest of us but don’t hate my dude Joaquin for killing this role!
@@ElectroKinetic1977and yeah people watch his movies because he’s “Joaquin phoenix” his method acting is something yourself would not be able to do or myself. That being said stop critiquing as if you were someone special in the film industry. Not saying he’s the greatest actor but he’s up there for sure. If you can do better share it if not then shut the f#*& up. 🙂
My favorite historical figure, in one of my favorite moments. He invited the pope to Paris, which during this time was a hard trip, just to embarrass and upstage him. I wish I had the chance to go back in time and talk to the man that arrived in France a refugee and 5 years later was the emperor. A unique and deeply interesting figure in history.
Napoleon was 34, youthful, energetic, charismatic, experienced but still young enough to dare on the principle of "but what if it works?" This is the opposite of that.
There is a Mini french Serie called "Napoleon" with "Christian Clavier" from 2002 if you peoples are interested in it, but I do not know if it's available in english, audio or subtiles.
@@ianinkster2261that’s not all I think of shit like storing tomatoes in those mercury containers and shit they did a lot of stupid shit trial and error but they walked so we could crawl:)
To add little bit more tension during the coronation, it should've had included in the Montage, the fact that, The Tympanum of the Cathedral was Severed, in order for his entourage to access the Capella, with full Regalia...
This scene, and the one in which Nappie is sent running with his tail between his legs while attempting the coup of Brumaire are the best bits of this movie. The rest is ridiculous!
I love Ridley Scott but like others have said, I believe his Napoleon is way too old. Perhaps seeing he had worked with JP before in the wonderful Gladiator, and liked him and his acting then, so although it's 23/24 years later, 'plumped' for JP again. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a great director?
@@williambaglme819 That would be a reasonable assumption, unless you just looked at the other nobility in the background. They could quite literally be the same age or even older than Napoleon but still look twice as young. Stop defending this, JP is a fantastic actor, but he's just not fit for the role in his current age. These are the same defenses I saw when the Irishman came out and everybody couldn't figure out why CGI and makeup couldn't make an 80 year old look 30.
Highly unlikely. Napoleon always had a youthful boyish look. His portrait of his coronation on the throne shows a very young man, with great complexion and little signs of wrinkles or aged skin.
It appears that everyone who commented on this clip will not be watching the movie. Good thing the streaming sales will cover the 200 million production budget. The worldwide appeal means less than 25% of viewers and their cash came from the U.S.
Should have chosen a 30 to 40 year old actor to play Napoleon. Pushing 50 which is Joaquin’s age is not a good choice. At that age, it was Napoleons final years at St Helena in exile. Also the depiction of Napoleon is way too stoic. He was charismatic and loved by his soldiers and generals alike. They loved him so much and he too loved them so much even at his death bed. This is such a poor portrayal of Napoleon Ridley.
This scene is wrong, as soon as the pope had the crown on his hands and was about to crown Napoleon , Napoleon snatch the crown from the pope´s hands and crown himself emperor , he basically invited the pope to humiliate him !!!!!
Well, that didn't happen. It was agreed long before the coronation that Napoleon would crown himself and the Pope agreed (not that his disaproval would have changed anything). Napoleon certainly didn't snatch anything from anybody's hands during the coronation.
IT WAS A MISTAKE OF JOAKIN PHOENIX TO ACT IN THIS FILM. AFTER JOKER, WHICH HAD SUCH HUGE IMPACT, HE SHOULD WAIT FOR THE SEQUEL JOKER 2, AND THEN MAKE ANOTHER MOVIE. EVERYBODY WAITS FOR JOKER 2. A "NAPOLEON" IN BETWEEN BLURRED THE IMAGE, AND WAS CONDEMNED TO PASS UNNOTICED. JOAKIN S MANAGER SHOULD HAVE WARNED HIM...NAPOLEON WAS AN INTERLUDE (A WRONG ONE) BETWEEN TWO JOKERS.
No, it is not. The portrayal of Napoleon is pathetic; he always looks bored. I feel sorry for Phoenix but this is definitely not a part for him. The gross historical errors are definitely not to be forgiven. It is not enough to try to create showmanship if you are making a historical film, especially when it is based on a character as charismatic and skilled as Napoleon. Those who appreciate this film really know nothing about history or even less about Napoleon.
@@HextorBane So, if you like the movie, than your’e stupid ? Maybe it requires more than juste looking at inaccuracies. What Napoleon said about his battles, his campaigns and his works are full of lies, nurtured by propaganda and his will of power. Then, it’s not awful to me that representing Napoleon according to his point of view is full of nonsense. Somehow, what Ridley Scott showed us could have been how Napoleon described his life. Again, it requires more than juste saying « It’S NOt HiSToRiCaL » ! If you want to learn history, go get a nice book or a dedicated video, but not a movie from hollywood.
@@countryman3777 atleast get the damn age right... What propaganda disrupted that? The movie Waterloo, of 1970 seems much better. The tactics Napolean used are not filled with his propaganda only, it was pretty much researched and studied before modern warfare. Atleast they could show that. Besides How did they put like 30 years of his rule in a short film? A film that leaves his character quite vague. Ofcourse he had flaws, but with all the flaws he was something to become an emperor in just 5 years, that too at such a young age. He deserves a better movie. I mean the movie didn't catch my interest. and thats for many others too...
@@coetrupe man I love you so much. I discovered a whole new genre of music to enjoy thanks to you. Also quite funny they chose Haydn (the guy who wrote the Habsburg anthem) for this scene.
@@JohnDoe-vp9ey wrong! He was from Italian Corsica, that's why the French picked on him calling him "a poor Italian" until he CONQUERED the French. 🇮🇹 ✊
@@RobVerdoneCorsica was Acquired by The French in may of 1768, While napoleon was born in august of 1769, Meaning he was born in France, he was French, Dumbass
it's weird that they chose joaquin phoenix, who is best known for playing commodus, a tragically weak ruler, and the joker, a tragically weak man, to play napoleon.
Months after the release, I'm still disappointed by this movie. It promised to be really good, but Scott ended up trolling us all, giving us 2 hours of Napoleon and cringephine arguing in bedroom, and 0 real story. As an history student, this movie hit me harder than my father (negatively)
This movie appears to be about Ridley Scott's agenda for describing Napoleon. Choosing Joaquin Phoenix is one element of this. What the heck is he trying to say. Napoleon was obviously a force of nature, not a tragically weak man. I'm not saying he was good or perfect, I'm just saying it is an outrageous lie to try to portray him as a tragically weak man.
Why not Alain Delon played Napóleon he more better actor Than Joachin Phoenix and Alain Delon totally French Napóleon bloodline, but Joachin Phoenix totally not French he british. Alain Delon more beautifull Than Joachin very big different and Alain Delon better phisics condition
@@pedrolimaneto5573 He literally said in an interview, that he didn´t know how to play the role when they started filming. So, he asked Ridley Scott: "How do you want me to portray Napoleon?" and Scott basically told him: "Yeah, do whatever..." And this is what we got, Joaquin Phoenix playing Arthur Fleck from Joker, cosplaying as Napoleon Bonaparte.
Forget Joaquin Phoenix´s age, which is obviously not right for the role ( he´s way too old to play Napoleon), what I want to know is: why does he play Napoleon like if he´s playing again Arthur Fleck from Joker?
Napoleon Bonaparte was by all historical accounts an extremely charismatic, energetic, brilliant & shrewd military commander/statesman/ leader of men.
In this movie, Napoleon is NONE of this.
Why ?? Why he play addict roles and psychiatric cases roles ??? ´cause he fit with this roles. He is addict and crazy. It’s look like they put a depressive crack addict in this role it’s ridiculous.
They should have de-aged Jaoquin like they did De Niro in that crime movie.
@@iamgermane Absolutely not, they should have gotten a younger actor and put some make-up on him for the last part of the movie where he plays the older Bonaparte, to make him look older.
Digital de-aging tech is still not good enough.
He basically admitted he had no idea what to do with the role and was given absolutely no direction from Scott or the writers. I don’t blame him for the way the movie turned out, his performance was bad but he wasn’t given any real tools to work with.
It seems like a joint Scott/Sony decision. Sony hiring Pheonix is the closest they've been to the Oscars in years. I imagine Ridley is on good terms with Pheonix and wanted to work with him again. I think Phoenix was all for it during the pandemic, got a ton of material on Napoleon, then got the script and was think "This isn't going to work but I signed that contract..."
Napoleon was born in 1769, he would have been 34 when he was crowned Emperor. Joaquin Phoenix, pushing 50, looked it, plump with big body did not look like Napoleon who was slim, boyish and charismatic. I admire Ridley Scott for his many movies, but sadly his Napoleon should have been played by a much younger actor.
@@ElectroKinetic1977cry harder
Don’t hate on Joaquin cause he’s and actor and not you… you talk as if your a big shot in the industry, you have no idea what your talking about nor do the rest of us but don’t hate my dude Joaquin for killing this role!
@@ElectroKinetic1977and yeah people watch his movies because he’s “Joaquin phoenix” his method acting is something yourself would not be able to do or myself. That being said stop critiquing as if you were someone special in the film industry. Not saying he’s the greatest actor but he’s up there for sure. If you can do better share it if not then shut the f#*& up. 🙂
@@SoldierOfGod778 who's crying dumbass....?
34 in 1800s did look old for today's standards
My favorite historical figure, in one of my favorite moments. He invited the pope to Paris, which during this time was a hard trip, just to embarrass and upstage him. I wish I had the chance to go back in time and talk to the man that arrived in France a refugee and 5 years later was the emperor. A unique and deeply interesting figure in history.
Ridley Scott should know when to just lie down and give up
R.S. is 86 . He’s running out of time.
@@jpgsf1978Aye.. degenerative diseases and "back-warding" of the brain doesn't do no good..
the fella’s 86, he’s running out of time to make (hopefully) good films
Napoleon was 34, youthful, energetic, charismatic, experienced but still young enough to dare on the principle of "but what if it works?" This is the opposite of that.
Without a doubt, the best part of that movie! It's like seeing artwork come alive. Nice work, costume department and set production team.
There is a Mini french Serie called "Napoleon" with "Christian Clavier" from 2002 if you peoples are interested in it, but I do not know if it's available in english, audio or subtiles.
Yes, and it wasn't that bad, given the fact Clavier is first of all a comedy actor
O man what a mistake, Napoleon was 35 years old when became an emperor,this guy looks around 60
Just thought about that 🤦♂️
his body was 60 :)))
Dont be disrespectful. Phoenix is a young 49 here
Cry like Jesus stop meat riding the details
People aged faster back then
No they didn't. Except in as much as they may have smoked a bit more than in 2024.
@@ianinkster2261that’s not all I think of shit like storing tomatoes in those mercury containers and shit they did a lot of stupid shit trial and error but they walked so we could crawl:)
To add little bit more tension during the coronation, it should've had included in the Montage, the fact that, The Tympanum of the Cathedral was Severed, in order for his entourage to access the Capella, with full Regalia...
This scene, and the one in which Nappie is sent running with his tail between his legs while attempting the coup of Brumaire are the best bits of this movie. The rest is ridiculous!
I love Ridley Scott but like others have said, I believe his Napoleon is way too old. Perhaps seeing he had worked with JP before in the wonderful Gladiator, and liked him and his acting then, so although it's 23/24 years later, 'plumped' for JP again. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a great director?
Because that is what a man in his mid 30's would have looked like in those times. This was the 1800's my guy.
@@williambaglme819 No. Unless he caught a lot of sun.
@@williambaglme819 That would be a reasonable assumption, unless you just looked at the other nobility in the background. They could quite literally be the same age or even older than Napoleon but still look twice as young.
Stop defending this, JP is a fantastic actor, but he's just not fit for the role in his current age. These are the same defenses I saw when the Irishman came out and everybody couldn't figure out why CGI and makeup couldn't make an 80 year old look 30.
Highly unlikely. Napoleon always had a youthful boyish look. His portrait of his coronation on the throne shows a very young man, with great complexion and little signs of wrinkles or aged skin.
The Crown Jewels of France are something to behold in the Louvre.
It appears that everyone who commented on this clip will not be watching the movie. Good thing the streaming sales will cover the 200 million production budget. The worldwide appeal means less than 25% of viewers and their cash came from the U.S.
It was a good movie. Captured the time and napoleon in my opinion.
Whats the song that is played when Napoleon and Josephine exit the cathedral?
I not know Why?
@@luxbeci2 I like the song. Problem?
It's called Singt dem Herren alle Stimmen
Es de una misa bastante larga de Joseph Haydn .
El nombre en cuestión es "the creación", lo que aparece es exactamente el final de toda la obra
When my grandfather was about to die at the age of seventy he looked like this coronated Napoleon.
Napoleon said it like this *“I found a crown in the kennel; I cleansed it from its filth, and placed it on my head"*
i dont know why, but Ridley Scott could have made this movie FAR more better ....just like how great kingdom of heaven was
This film coulda been hella better, but it's still pretty good.
Anyone know what the hymn in the beginning is?
Should have chosen a 30 to 40 year old actor to play Napoleon. Pushing 50 which is Joaquin’s age is not a good choice. At that age, it was Napoleons final years at St Helena in exile.
Also the depiction of Napoleon is way too stoic. He was charismatic and loved by his soldiers and generals alike. They loved him so much and he too loved them so much even at his death bed.
This is such a poor portrayal of Napoleon Ridley.
This scene is wrong, as soon as the pope had the crown on his hands and was about to crown Napoleon , Napoleon snatch the crown from the pope´s hands and crown himself emperor , he basically invited the pope to humiliate him !!!!!
isn't exactly what we see in the scene?
Well, that didn't happen. It was agreed long before the coronation that Napoleon would crown himself and the Pope agreed (not that his disaproval would have changed anything). Napoleon certainly didn't snatch anything from anybody's hands during the coronation.
IT WAS A MISTAKE OF JOAKIN PHOENIX TO ACT IN THIS FILM. AFTER JOKER, WHICH HAD SUCH HUGE IMPACT, HE SHOULD WAIT FOR THE SEQUEL JOKER 2, AND THEN MAKE ANOTHER MOVIE. EVERYBODY WAITS FOR JOKER 2. A "NAPOLEON" IN BETWEEN BLURRED THE IMAGE, AND WAS CONDEMNED TO PASS UNNOTICED. JOAKIN S MANAGER SHOULD HAVE WARNED HIM...NAPOLEON WAS AN INTERLUDE (A WRONG ONE) BETWEEN TWO JOKERS.
How can you say this movie isn't good? it is a work of art.
it's wildly, and i mean WILDLY inaccurate from a historical standpoint. they got even the most basic things wrong.
It's horribly inaccurate. It would be much better if it was historically accurate.
No, it is not. The portrayal of Napoleon is pathetic; he always looks bored. I feel sorry for Phoenix but this is definitely not a part for him. The gross historical errors are definitely not to be forgiven. It is not enough to try to create showmanship if you are making a historical film, especially when it is based on a character as charismatic and skilled as Napoleon. Those who appreciate this film really know nothing about history or even less about Napoleon.
@@HextorBane
So, if you like the movie, than your’e stupid ? Maybe it requires more than juste looking at inaccuracies. What Napoleon said about his battles, his campaigns and his works are full of lies, nurtured by propaganda and his will of power. Then, it’s not awful to me that representing Napoleon according to his point of view is full of nonsense. Somehow, what Ridley Scott showed us could have been how Napoleon described his life. Again, it requires more than juste saying « It’S NOt HiSToRiCaL » ! If you want to learn history, go get a nice book or a dedicated video, but not a movie from hollywood.
@@countryman3777 atleast get the damn age right... What propaganda disrupted that? The movie Waterloo, of 1970 seems much better. The tactics Napolean used are not filled with his propaganda only, it was pretty much researched and studied before modern warfare. Atleast they could show that. Besides How did they put like 30 years of his rule in a short film? A film that leaves his character quite vague. Ofcourse he had flaws, but with all the flaws he was something to become an emperor in just 5 years, that too at such a young age. He deserves a better movie. I mean the movie didn't catch my interest. and thats for many others too...
What's the music?
Singt dem Herren alle Stimmen by Haydn, enjoy!
@@coetrupe man I love you so much. I discovered a whole new genre of music to enjoy thanks to you. Also quite funny they chose Haydn (the guy who wrote the Habsburg anthem) for this scene.
@@tevzcrnic4456 Haha no problem, glad that I could help. Indeed it is ironic that they used Haydn's music
Italian Power!!! ✊ 🇮🇹
French!
@@JohnDoe-vp9ey wrong! He was from Italian Corsica, that's why the French picked on him calling him "a poor Italian" until he CONQUERED the French. 🇮🇹 ✊
@@RobVerdone no that's propaganda and misinformation. He was a frenchman. Only a frenchman could achieve what he did, trust me
@@RobVerdoneCorsica was Acquired by The French in may of 1768, While napoleon was born in august of 1769, Meaning he was born in France, he was French, Dumbass
@@JohnDoe-vp9ey ? He’s from an Italian family….
it's weird that they chose joaquin phoenix, who is best known for playing commodus, a tragically weak ruler, and the joker, a tragically weak man, to play napoleon.
The problem with JP is he just does not have the Napoleonic complex
Months after the release, I'm still disappointed by this movie. It promised to be really good, but Scott ended up trolling us all, giving us 2 hours of Napoleon and cringephine arguing in bedroom, and 0 real story. As an history student, this movie hit me harder than my father (negatively)
The joker playing Napoleon!
Yeah. I wonder who's idea was that?
Where is that crown nowadays? Does it still exist? does anyone knows?
Yes, it still exist. The crown has been preserved at the Louvre
Joaquin Phoenix just likes the crown of the Cesars.. LOL
This movie appears to be about Ridley Scott's agenda for describing Napoleon. Choosing Joaquin Phoenix is one element of this.
What the heck is he trying to say. Napoleon was obviously a force of nature, not a tragically weak man. I'm not saying he was good or perfect, I'm just saying it is an outrageous lie to try to portray him as a tragically weak man.
Phoenix is way too old for this role...
Heresy. It is only by the grace of God and the Church that a man may be crowned - emperor or king. No man or king is above the Church!
Nopoleon Lemolte Bonoporte
This full name?
@@luxbeci2 No, that's just a name I gave him, his real name is Pablo.
Didn't even care to cover up that hare lip scar
VIVA VIVA VIVA VIVE L EMPEREUR ! VIVE LA COURONNE DE FRANCE
a rather disappointing ceremony crowning him king, expect more.
2:15
Down with the Emperor.
👇👎
This was the worst movie of 2023 hands down. AWFUL AND PATHETIC portrayal of one the greatest military geniuses of all time
Era Petulante o Napoleão 😮
As someone who doesn’t really give a shit about historical accuracy,
This movie is still terrible.
Why not Alain Delon played Napóleon he more better actor Than Joachin Phoenix and Alain Delon totally French Napóleon bloodline, but Joachin Phoenix totally not French he british. Alain Delon more beautifull Than Joachin very big different and Alain Delon better phisics condition
Total bullshit. Such a shame for Napoléon. Phoenix had no clue how to act
The age between Napoleon and Joaquin, I got it... but he is a great actor.
@@pedrolimaneto5573 He is. But he came out 2 weeks before the movie having no idea how to do Napoleon. He said it himself.
@@pedrolimaneto5573 He literally said in an interview, that he didn´t know how to play the role when they started filming. So, he asked Ridley Scott: "How do you want me to portray Napoleon?" and Scott basically told him: "Yeah, do whatever..."
And this is what we got, Joaquin Phoenix playing Arthur Fleck from Joker, cosplaying as Napoleon Bonaparte.
Alain Delon more better actor he need play Napóleon
LOOK NAPOLEON OF GUITRY FREE MOVIE VERY GOOD MOVIE OR NAPOLEON WITH CLAVIER OR MONSIEUR N AND ABEL GANCE AUSTERLITZ
This guy look like ceasar not napoleon
Was anything correct in this movie? 😂
Off colored movie highly inappropriate
What a stupid soap opera of a movie
Well made film!
This move is soulless probably it was intention of director. Beautiful historical fresco, beautiful but far and fearfull