I bought my 22 gauge from you. And you are absolutely correct. I have been experimenting now however with 177, 22 and 25 caliber. I find the 25 and I’m told 30 is even better have far fewer differences from pellet to pellet especially skirts. I still sort for competition. However, 22 and 177 are all over the place. Absolutely must sort them if you want to be competitive.
Just weight sorting alone will make a huge difference. I haven't found a tin of expensive pellets yet that contain all pellets of the weight stated on the label. Most brands are are over the place. If you want tighter spreads sort pellets into groups by weight. The tighter the sorted weights, the tighter the ES.
Sorting is important but what I have found to be equally if not more important is resizing.. I made some resizing tools just by cutting the bottoms of off brass.. for instance I cut 308 brass to resize 30 cal pellets, 223 to resize 22 and then I just push them through the case neck with a push pin.. it works fantastically.. so for anyone that has some extra brass you can make a nice little tool that will drastically increase performance.. thank you for the video brother..✌️
I use a Pelletgage to headsize (which we sell on bakerairguns.com), a diamond (grain) scale to weigh, and my eyes to inspect. You can get the scale from Amazon or a myriad of other online retailers. Hope this helps! -Donnie
I agree. I'm using cheap Crosman Premiers in 2 of my break barrels and after going thru the process they shoot fine. The weight variation alone is enuff to help accuracy. Ive seen almost a full grain of discrepancy out of one tin. That's .22 and .177
As a casual shooter, I won't spend the time doing it. When it really matters, I just end up using using a brand that I know to be very consistent, like JSB. It shows in the groups and over the chrono. If I started competing, I'm sure it would be a different story. I have weighed and sorted in the past just to get a baseline on who's doing the best job, but way too time consuming to do on a regular basis. Keep up the good work. 👍
I have also found that all the above and one more really helps big time ,,,,lube your pellets ,,,,,I use silicon spray oil ,,,,,I lightly spray in side my tin with the pellets and rotate the tin to give the pellets a good coating ,,,,now when I shot single shot single shot ,,,,I blow off my pellets before shotting to get ride of the excess oil before shotting ,,,,,,it basically give the pellets a slick fell with less resistance going down the barrel than a dry pellet ,,,,,,I have seen very big improvements doing this ,,,,much less with good accuracy
I have to agree with you. I just subscribed because of this subject alone, I've found the difference in pellets to be 1 to 2 grains different in weight, this goes with the fragile ability of pellets to remain consistent. Now slugs are a different story and seems to be a more stable solution.
,I think JSB are so good that in my past 10 years of shooting only JSB,, I cannot remember getting even 1 bad pellet. What do you think of that?But,,I do weigh and pellet Gauge them,,just for ultimate perfection
Well, I'm not competitive shooter just plinker all I am really concerned about is the skirt noy that those other things don't matter I just don't get to wrapped up in the details perhaps someday I will try weight size and all the other things but for now I'm just having fun
BAKER AIRGUNS.thankyu for the honest video.We do sometimes for get to enjoy are shooting with all the variables.ive tried all sorts of experiments shooting.some times just shoot enjoy and forget the polotics,how many times did yu do the afore said experiment may be do it 100 times and give us the results.thanks
I don't believe in washing either. But I've had some packs of pellets so bad I had to wash em and even scrape the inside with a tooth pick. And then grain weighed them. Actually they did pretty good after that for a cheaper brand.
I wish you had done a simultaneous group test as you shot those pellets. At 50 yards I don't think a 9 or 18 FPS difference will make much difference on target. Clearly the air blast reshaped the pellet skirt to a round cross-section, otherwise most of the air would have blown past the pellet and the velocity lose would have been much greater than 18 FPS. I bet the last two pellets would have fallen into the group formed by the first three pellets and, respectfully, I don't think this limited test proved anything. I agree that invisible voids in the lead COULD cause imbalances that would lead to a funky flight path, but weighing doesn't reveal that. A light pellet could have uniform density and have a slightly shorter skirt to account for the lower weight. I can see where really small diameters will engage the rifling less and could lead to stripping right through the rifling and provide little spin stabilization, but pellets, unlike bullets, don't rely entirely on spin. Even if you COULD guarantee each pellet was identical, most gun designs will not load the pellets identically. They are sometimes bruised by a magazine or can just end up loaded with a cant that sends them down the barrel cock-eyed from the start. Most gun designs require the pellet to pass over an air transfer port that can shave lead from the pellet AFTER any sorting that was done to it. I have used PelletGages and can tell you that many pellet brands will have flash lines on their sides that make them read as a larger diameter than the actually are. Add a little extra pressure to the pellet to shave that off and suddenly it will now gauge out 3 or 4 sizes smaller. I'm sorry, but I don't think the sorting effort yields enough accuracy improvement to be worthwhile and this demonstration just didn't change my mind, but I do really like your videos and I hope we can agree to disagree. After all, we're all Republicans here. Opps. Did I say that out loud?
I ran a test recently and uploaded results to my channel. I went to town with pliers on them. While it made a difference, at 30 yards it was minute of squirrel and basically didn’t really matter. If I was competing, different story I suppose.
@@BakerAirguns Donnie, stick to your guns, screw the ones that choose to be offended. I’m done with these pansy “everything offends me” people. Keep up the good work!
🤔 Been shooting for decades. This fantasy of exact fps doesn't wash. It's all about what happens at the target. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!!! Damaged skirts are soon blown into bore . Unless they are heavily damaged.
I bought my 22 gauge from you. And you are absolutely correct. I have been experimenting now however with 177, 22 and 25 caliber. I find the 25 and I’m told 30 is even better have far fewer differences from pellet to pellet especially skirts. I still sort for competition. However, 22 and 177 are all over the place. Absolutely must sort them if you want to be competitive.
Right on, Jerry! I completely agree!
-Donnie
Totally agree also! There is a big variance on the .22 headsizes from tin to tin what I have experienced.
Just weight sorting alone will make a huge difference. I haven't found a tin of expensive pellets yet that contain all pellets of the weight stated on the label. Most brands are are over the place. If you want tighter spreads sort pellets into groups by weight. The tighter the sorted weights, the tighter the ES.
I couldn't agree more.
-Donnie
It depends on the USE In competition it matters A LOT
When you plink just pick
Sorting is important but what I have found to be equally if not more important is resizing.. I made some resizing tools just by cutting the bottoms of off brass.. for instance I cut 308 brass to resize 30 cal pellets, 223 to resize 22 and then I just push them through the case neck with a push pin.. it works fantastically.. so for anyone that has some extra brass you can make a nice little tool that will drastically increase performance.. thank you for the video brother..✌️
Your simple demonstration is the best I've ever seen. A list of products to sort , weigh, etc. would have been helpful. Thanks, Donnie.
I use a Pelletgage to headsize (which we sell on bakerairguns.com), a diamond (grain) scale to weigh, and my eyes to inspect. You can get the scale from Amazon or a myriad of other online retailers. Hope this helps!
-Donnie
Thanks for a quick visual demo. Often wondered if it would be worth my efforts, now I know. Now I need to order a grain scale and guage
Right on! It's a lot of work, but like I said...I personally think it's worthwhile.
-Donnie
For general plinking straight out of the tin, but sorted for hunting and serious competition.
Yessir!
Hey Donnie, I agree, and you know I sort my pellets for visual damage and for weight. I do it for the bench rest and field target competitions.
Right on!
-Donnie
Greetings, Great explanation....short and straight to the point! thank you for taking your time.
I agree. I'm using cheap Crosman Premiers in 2 of my break barrels and after going thru the process they shoot fine. The weight variation alone is enuff to help accuracy. Ive seen almost a full grain of discrepancy out of one tin. That's .22 and .177
Good content and a great reminder. Thanks for taking the time to provide!
Thanks, Larry! It's my pleasure.
-Donnie
As a casual shooter, I won't spend the time doing it. When it really matters, I just end up using using a brand that I know to be very consistent, like JSB. It shows in the groups and over the chrono. If I started competing, I'm sure it would be a different story. I have weighed and sorted in the past just to get a baseline on who's doing the best job, but way too time consuming to do on a regular basis.
Keep up the good work. 👍
It is VERY time consuming, but a labor of love as well.
-Donnie
I have also found that all the above and one more really helps big time ,,,,lube your pellets ,,,,,I use silicon spray oil ,,,,,I lightly spray in side my tin with the pellets and rotate the tin to give the pellets a good coating ,,,,now when I shot single shot single shot ,,,,I blow off my pellets before shotting to get ride of the excess oil before shotting ,,,,,,it basically give the pellets a slick fell with less resistance going down the barrel than a dry pellet ,,,,,,I have seen very big improvements doing this ,,,,much less with good accuracy
I have to agree with you. I just subscribed because of this subject alone, I've found the difference in pellets to be 1 to 2 grains different in weight, this goes with the fragile ability of pellets to remain consistent. Now slugs are a different story and seems to be a more stable solution.
Right on, man! Glad you liked it!
-Donnie
,I think JSB are so good that in my past 10 years of shooting only JSB,, I cannot remember getting even 1 bad pellet.
What do you think of that?But,,I do weigh and pellet Gauge them,,just for ultimate perfection
Well, I'm not competitive shooter just plinker all I am really concerned about is the skirt noy that those other things don't matter I just don't get to wrapped up in the details perhaps someday I will try weight size and all the other things but for now I'm just having fun
BAKER AIRGUNS.thankyu for the honest video.We do sometimes for get to enjoy are shooting with all the variables.ive tried all sorts of experiments shooting.some times just shoot enjoy and forget the polotics,how many times did yu do the afore said experiment may be do it 100 times and give us the results.thanks
perfect video!!!
Thank you! There will be a Part II to this video coming soon. Keep your eyes peeled for it.
-Donnie
Amen 🙏
I don't believe in washing either. But I've had some packs of pellets so bad I had to wash em and even scrape the inside with a tooth pick. And then grain weighed them.
Actually they did pretty good after that for a cheaper brand.
I wish you had done a simultaneous group test as you shot those pellets. At 50 yards I don't think a 9 or 18 FPS difference will make much difference on target. Clearly the air blast reshaped the pellet skirt to a round cross-section, otherwise most of the air would have blown past the pellet and the velocity lose would have been much greater than 18 FPS. I bet the last two pellets would have fallen into the group formed by the first three pellets and, respectfully, I don't think this limited test proved anything. I agree that invisible voids in the lead COULD cause imbalances that would lead to a funky flight path, but weighing doesn't reveal that. A light pellet could have uniform density and have a slightly shorter skirt to account for the lower weight. I can see where really small diameters will engage the rifling less and could lead to stripping right through the rifling and provide little spin stabilization, but pellets, unlike bullets, don't rely entirely on spin. Even if you COULD guarantee each pellet was identical, most gun designs will not load the pellets identically. They are sometimes bruised by a magazine or can just end up loaded with a cant that sends them down the barrel cock-eyed from the start. Most gun designs require the pellet to pass over an air transfer port that can shave lead from the pellet AFTER any sorting that was done to it. I have used PelletGages and can tell you that many pellet brands will have flash lines on their sides that make them read as a larger diameter than the actually are. Add a little extra pressure to the pellet to shave that off and suddenly it will now gauge out 3 or 4 sizes smaller. I'm sorry, but I don't think the sorting effort yields enough accuracy improvement to be worthwhile and this demonstration just didn't change my mind, but I do really like your videos and I hope we can agree to disagree. After all, we're all Republicans here. Opps. Did I say that out loud?
You can disagree with him. However, he has shown some actual data.
I did not know that Klingons were so good at airgunning.
because the low energy of the "propelant "in a airgun ,everything matters ,diameter weight shape
Do you have a tool to straight the skirts
Thank you Donnie
I do not. Nor does Baker Airguns. Bent skirts are culled around here.
-Donnie
I ran a test recently and uploaded results to my channel. I went to town with pliers on them. While it made a difference, at 30 yards it was minute of squirrel and basically didn’t really matter. If I was competing, different story I suppose.
That's why I do it. "Minute of squirrel" doesn't work for me. No offense to anyone that it does work for.
-Donnie
@@BakerAirguns Donnie, stick to your guns, screw the ones that choose to be offended. I’m done with these pansy “everything offends me” people. Keep up the good work!
@@airgunsupremacy4454 Right on, man!
-Donnie
C'est certainement très intéressant mais il n'y a pas de photos en gros plan ni de sous titres...
Do you think i would notice the difference at the 25 yards i shoot at?
Just go with alloy pellets then you don't have to worry
I wholeheartedly disagree.
-Donnie
Shouldn’t we qualify this by saying once into .30 it don’t matter. I shoot 257 farther then any benchrest comp
No. No we should not.
Donnie where can I get a gram scale with out getting an FBI toss for drug dealing🥴🥴
LOLOL I get them from Amazon.
-Donnie
I mean........It only makes sense riiiiiiiight?!?!.......... Riiiiiiiight.....🤏😎Let them all be the same, then win at the game!! 🤘😂....Nuff said!!?nm
RIght? LOL
-Donnie
🤔 Been shooting for decades.
This fantasy of exact fps doesn't wash. It's all about what happens at the target. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!!!
Damaged skirts are soon blown into bore . Unless they are heavily damaged.