How Scottish are The British Royal Family?
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- How Scottish are the British royal family? Should Prince William and Harry wear Scotland rugby shirts? Scottish history tour guide, Bruce Fummey, meets historian Lars Cook at Stirling Castle to look at the family trees that led to today's UK royal family.
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Scotland History Tours is here for people who want to learn about Scottish history and get ideas for Scottish history tours. I try to make videos which tell you tales from Scotland's past and give you information about key dates in Scottish history and historical places to visit in Scotland. Not all videos are tales from Scotland's history, some of them are about men from Scotland's past or women from Scotland's past. Basically the people who made Scotland. From April 2020 onward I've tried to give ideas for historic days out in Scotland. Essentially these are days out in Scotland for adults who are interested in historical places to visit in Scotland.
As a Scottish history tour guide people ask: Help me plan a Scottish holiday, or help me plan a Scottish vacation if your from the US. So I've tried to give a bit of history, but some places of interest in Scotland as well.
On one of those marriages that led to the current royal family at ua-cam.com/video/jN6S-HBfNYU/v-deo.html
Before I watch this: Isn't the British Royal Family almost completely German since Georgian times?
Just look at the family names involved: Hannover, Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha (later changed to Windsor), Battenberg (literally translated to Mountbatten), Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg.
Just curious, have you seen the trailer for the Richard III movie about finding his body? Are you in it!? Watch the trailer, you'll see what I mean. The lost King.
Funny that Elizabeth Windsor died in Scotland
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 If you actually watch it you’ll find out. 😉
Don’t forget Faith... that’s also why “ Who Is In Power”!!!
This guy is the best on the internet for Scottish history. Absolutely fantastic 👍
Wears great t-shirts🙃😊
I have a strong feeling this guy knows much more than Scottish history
Get him a large coffee ☕️
@@margerykirner5604 I can't even imagine understanding maths and physics let alone teaching it for years. How Bruce kept his sense of humour is beyond me!
100% and very glad to hear this from a Scotsman.
On the rugby front it is, of course, Princess Anne who is known to be a passionate supporter of Scotland and she seldom, if ever, misses a game at Murrayfield.
Its her job !
Yes but she does it with a smile on her face & she definitely celebrated Scotland beating England love The Princess Royal she works so hard & is a great ambassador for the 🇬🇧
True and she's the only one we have time for in this house but it also shows our relative importance.
I am English...I could sit here listening to you ALL day!! ....we are planning a Scottish road trip in a couple of years!!! Would Love to see your Beautiful Country xxxx
I hope you have an amazing time when you come and see some of the beautiful places we have here in Bonnie Scotland 👌🏻 We have them by the plenty ✌🏻🏴🫶🏻
Don't the English and the Scots dislike each other?
“Against tyranny and having a decent healthcare”
Genius. Just brilliant.
Living here in the States I had a good chuckle at that as well.
@@WickedKingLycoan good. It is crazy that people stateside have to go into huge debt because of medical expenses when well it’s not perfect the national health service over here means that people get the bulk of the medical attention they need which is paid for out of peoples taxes.
@@alistairjamesheaton9155 : Yes. I’m afraid that it is true. I hate going to get medical attention for fear of the debts that might accrue.
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It's a 60-30-10 issue here in the States. 60% of us know the current system is failing and want to nationalize it. 30% of us are doing just fine and don't want the government taking over our lives, thank you very much. And 10% of us are too f'ing busy working our 3rd job to have an opinion. Since the American right is more about ideological absolutes, you cannot even negotiate the issue with them, and they will demonize "Obamacare" even though in the 90s it was the right's answer to nationalization of health care. It's all a bunch of nonsense and you won't offend the majority of Americans with a crack like that.
Interesting fact when Queen Elizabeth II died she died as a humble Scottish Presbyterian. Because when in Scotland she was a member of the Church of Scotland as opposed to being the Head of the Church of England.
She's easy swayed😜
It was no accident that in 1992, the Princess Royal's 2nd marriage took place at Balmoral so Her Majesty could attend the wedding (which she wanted to do since she loved her daughter and was fond of Sir Timothy Laurence) as the bride's mother without being called on for being there as a Supreme Governor of the Church of England which didn't recognize remarriages of divorced folks.
Tho
Protestant, not Presbyterian
@@Jazzinthedark84 no Presbyterian the Church os Scotland is Presbyterian in form of government as opposed to Anglican who's is Episcopalian in it's government. Both are Protestant
Bruce this is soooo cool! I'm a direct decendent of Stewart line. Been working on ancestry tree for years and your video helped do further checks and balance on my tree! 🤩🏴🇺🇲
Glad to help
Stewart is a pretty common surname outside Scotland 🏴.
Well I'm Scottish, born and bred, ancestry and all and I'm sick of every Tom Dick and Harry claiming they are Scottish. I've traced my ancestry all the way back to the picts and im tired of everyone claiming they're Scottish because they ate a haggis
Why.. what’s your problem Scot’s traveled far & wide there’s millions out there with Scottish ancestry I’m 83% Irish Scottish & Welsh with a little Italian & Baltic thrown into the mix .
@@theGhostofRoberttheBruce I’m a Stewart born in America and have been researching my Stewart heritage. Same as you I can say I’m proud to be an American and my Scottish heritage. We’re planning a trip to Scotland this summer actually.
A totally fascinating episode! I'd love to see you and Lars talk more about Scottish and English history. Definitely top notch discussion by the both of you! And my condolences to the royal family and the country of England and the United Kingdom for the loss of the queen. I've always considered her my queen as well. I mourn the loss of her too. Cheers to y'all from Georgia in the US.
I'm also from Georgia USA and still can't get over the death of HRH Queen Elizabeth II. My sister and bro in law are joining me for the Highland Games in Stone Mountain in 10 days.
Whoa.
As a Czech, I'm a bit dismayed that I somehow missed completely that the claim the Hannoverians had to the throne was actually through _our_ Queen.
Well. The Winter Queen. It did not last long, but her husband was duly elected king so it totally counts.
ETA: Also, to clarify what was being said in the video: He wasn't Czech in any sense of the word, he was proper German from (today's) Germany. But the Bohemian noblemen who had voting rights to elect the king decided he was a good pick, better pick than the hereditary Catholic Habsburgs who at the time were dead set on ignoring the religious and political freedoms their ancestors had agreed to. So the Czechs elected a different, non-hereditary king (because technically that _was_ how Czech politics were supposed to work at the time, and ignoring that sort of thing in favour of hereditary kingship was one of their grievances with the Habsburgs). It came on the heels of the Prague Defenestration (one of several, this is the one that led to the coinage of that term), and then, as said, it did not last long, Fridrich was forcibly deposed, cue Thirty Years War.
Further ETA: I called him Ferdinand when he was Fridrich. In my defense, I'm after a week of night shifts. 🤣
Just to add that a trip to Heidelberg castle is well worth it (if you can manage the steps!). Check out the Wine Barrel
@@colinprice712 Good to know!
As a Scot I'm dismayed that I didn't know this and how the Bruce line became the Stewart line etc. Well done Bruce for teaching me something new today. Thankyou
Lol, each time I see "ETA" written it reminds me the Basques
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 Every time someone writes "LOL" in reaction to something I've written, I feel like they're mocking me. I hope you're not and just commenting with a silly thought in your head that has nothing to do with me personally.
Interesting fact.. last royal born in Scotland?..not Queen mother (born in England) but Princess Margaret, the Queen's sister, born in Glamis Castle.
What i find interesting is i have very little interest in tracing my American heritage but knowing we trace back to England, Scotland and Ireland that history fascinates me. My mother has been on genealogy quest most of her adult life and has even been to England once. My aunt moved to London about a decade ago. Seems our family is drawn to return to wence we came but i fear ill never see that side of the pond. Learning through you has been one of my most enriching experiences of my life and i appreciate every single video you put out. Thank you so much for helping bring me so much history and heritage to someone trapped in the Sonoran desert.
Victoria and Albert weren't 'distant" cousins. They were first cousins. Her mother and his father were brother and sister. Victoria was only half German on her mother's side. Queen Elizabeth 2nd and her husband Philip were both great great grandchildren of Victoria and Albert.
You are right about Victoria and Albert's relationship, but Victoria's father was pretty solidly German as well, really: George I was German, and his all his successors married German princesses. Elizabeth and Philip were also related via George III and again via Christian IX of Denmark.
Philipp also was of German descent, one of them ending on the throne of Greece
Technically Charles is a Von Battenberg, as that was the birth name of his father.
What a great chat, Lars was brilliant.
The info, education, anecdotes and not to mention the editing were absolutely, "spot on". All of the stills, portraits, and paintings were appropriately placed throughout the video. Well done. Very well done.
Wow, thank you!
A totally fascinating episode Bruce, cheers...
I was taught in the 1970s at school in Perth, that Culloden wasn’t a Scots v English battle, but between the Stuart and Hanoverian dynasties.
Aye, but did they tell you about the Hanovarians slaughtering all the Stuart wounded and those taken prisoner? Did they tell about the subsequent raping and pillaging across Scotland, etc.?
Possibly not.
It was a Jacobite vs. British Government battle. There were Jacobites fighting from all four countries of the UK, and those fighting in the British Army were also from all four countries. It wasn’t Scots vs. English, or Catholics vs. Protestants, and it certainly wasn’t a battle for Scottish independence as so many claim. If the Jacobite line had been restored they had no plan to break up the UK. The act of Union was Queen Anne enacting something James VI & I had wanted to do from the start.
@@sandormccann2546 But some of the Scots fighting in the British Army committed the worst atrocities after Culloden.
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That's true 👍
@@ffotograffydd Sorry, does the fact that there were Scots on the Hanoverian side somehow absolve the Duke of Cumberland from blame for ordering war crimes to be committed?
I don't really care what caused the war and what the outcome would have been had Charlie won. I don't rate the Stuart monarchs very highly at all, so we probably dodged a bullet on that one but the wanton raping and pillaging, destruction of property and horrific crimes committed against innocent people are why we call the union flag 'The Butcher's Apron' in Scotland. Atrocities were committed against totally innocent and sometimes Hanoverian targets just to subdue the Scots to the point where they would ever again present any kind of threat. The same, heavy-handed brutality was used by the British right around the world.
So glad we have folks like you and Lars Cook to help us with questions of lineage, it’s a wee bit complicated 🏴❗️Thanks Bruce!!
History is never dull on this channel.
Damn right!
The British royal family do have Scottish ancestry. King George I, the first Hanoverian monarch of Great Britain, was a great-grandson of King James VI & I of Scotland and England. The Stuart monarchs themselves were descended from King Robert I Bruce (yes, that famous Robert the Bruce) through Marjorie Bruce (daughter of Robert the Bruce). You could trace Robert the Bruce's ancestry further to the two medieval Scottish dynasties (the House of Alpin and the House of Dunkeld) all the way back to Kenneth MacAlpin, the first King of Scotland.
Yes, and also David I
Macalpine's trace their ancestry back to the Ui Neil dynasty of Ireland.
His mother was a pictish princess.
Did you watch the video? It’s what is says.
The Queen had more Scottish blood in her than English blood. There's a reason why some Scotts have been referring to her as the "Queen of Scotts" (and not just because is sounds damn cool)
No. She didn't. Sorry, but that's simply not true no matter how much you might want it to be. The royals (like every other royal family in Europe, is made up of many different nationalities). Absolutely HM loved Scotland, and I think that's why the Scots like her is because she loves Scotland. It doesn't matter what 'blood' she has (only in so much as it matters for continuity of the crown). I mean, there's German blood in there, but HM is not German. She is an English monarch. She was born and bred in England. As were most of her family. How far back shall we go? There's gotta be French in there through 1066 but she's not French. If I trace my lineage back far enough, there could be Russian, but I am not Russian in any way shape or form, my very very distant relatives were, but I'm not. You may call her 'Queen of Scots', and that's charming, nothing wrong in that if that's how you chose to refer to her, in a way, she is your queen, as she is the queen of Wales, NI, the Common Wealth. The only thing genetics would give you generally is physical attributes etc. Where you are born and raised is what makes you the person you are.
The bottom line is that it does not really matter.
Scots my dude.
No-one in Scotland has ever referred to her as that.
@@paulhatton9564 Her Mum's Scottish, and from an old Scottish family. Queen also is a descendant of many Irish Kings, and Chieftains, including the famous Brian Boru(defeater of the Vikings).
@@paulhatton9564 exactly 👏 as scottish as jellied eels. People cling to the "decended" from but as you said you could trace your own lineage back to whatever country. She was English and used Scotland as her holiday home.
Great collab. Thanks as always for the content you produce.
You and Lars and Matt have done a terrific job on a complex - occasionally bewildering - "sorting out." Congratulations!
Thanks George
Thank you so warmly kindly! I'm Clan Stewart-descended, Scottish, Norwegian ancestry. My ancestors arrived to USA in 1600s.
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Bruce, watching your channel from the states, I laughed out loud at 2:10 with your comment about tyranny and a lack of a proper health service. I mean yeah, who'd of ever thought that tyranny came in the form of having people not having to work to afford healthcare.
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Hello Bruce! Second time around on this one, with many of your other videos in between. It is starting to make some sense to me now. I recommend re-watching your videos to others so that these complex relationships, battles, places can meld together and make sense (sort of). Your pal in the U.S., Robert Bruce,
So much information in this one! You’ve managed to connect the Royal Family bilaterally to Macbeth, the Anarchy of Stephen and Matilda, Robert the Bruce, Mary Queen of Scots, and James VI. And strengthened their Scottish connection even more through the Queen Mother. No wonder Her Late Majesty loved Balmoral Well done!
If you're a Yank, then past your immediate and most closely related Yankee ancestors, your far distant British ancestors were actually far more likely the border reivers than anything else, certainly not royals or more upper class or educated elites like nobles or aristocrats (these people didn't move abroad to better their prospects as they already had them where they came from), it was the reivers who largely went to the Americas after they were deported as stateless criminals to parts of Ireland, the reivers were the least royal people in Britain, many didn't even consider themselves Scottish or even English, they lived by their own ways and identified by clan names more than nationalities (a bit like the modern ethnic Yank Doodle USian natives of today), they lived along the border adjacent to 'the Debatable lands' which was rife in crime and squalor, with arson, murder and robbery, inbetween the two Kingdoms of Scotland and England and would attack either as targets depending on whether it benefitted them or not. The Scottish arch Bishop of Glasgow - Gavin Dunbar, wrote a 1,000 word curse on them in 1525, which you can read here > inews.co.uk/light-relief/offbeat/1000-word-curse-caused-havoc-five-centuries-made-75709
After James VI of Scots took the English throne in 1603 and became James I of England (with the Principality of Wales also) as well, making him a double monarch of both kingdoms (and Ireland by extension, as Ireland was a Papal possession of the Kingdom of England since the Laudabiliter), this gave the Scottish monarch power on both sides of the border to cast them out, the ones who were not executed for more serious crimes were deported as stateless criminals to parts of Ireland, then a couple of generations later, their distant descendants became the outlaw cowboys and cattle rustlers of the old West.
It's hilariously ironic how their heavily mixed ethnic Yank Doodle descendants (many of whose ancestors were actually not even British, but original 1492 proto-Yankees before the first British came to set up 13 small eastern shoreline coastal colonies in 1607, 115 years later) now claim in desperation to be related to foreign British royalty when they are actually among the least royal people in the world, and their nation even fought against the British nations (the Kingdoms of Scotland & England with the Principality of Wales) and against the notion and concept of royalty leading up to the Treaty of Ghent in 1815.
@@PredatorUpHill First of all, if you think you are going to offend Americans by telling them they descended from a bunch of Rebels. Boy are you wrong! We are proud of the fact that we are a bunch of rebels. Although, my English and Scottish Grandfathers came here much later than you speak, I am proud of them to have enough balls to pack up and move to a new country. My point is that not everyone who is American with either English, Scottish, or Irish is related to the people for whom you speak. I know exactly when and what boat my Great Grandfather came here on and what year he left and what year he landed here. He paid his own way to America. So, your logic is terribly wrong. That said, I don't have enough English or Scottish in me to claim being anything other than having ancestors from that area. I personally don't care if they are from royalty or not. In fact, I would prefer it to be from rebels who caused your ancestors a lot of worry! My only interest in your Royals is in the novelty that you have Royals currently.
My family is 85-90% German and has only been in this country for a couple of generations. Almost every time I walk into a room I am asked if I am German? Nobody has ever asked me if I am English or Scottish. When my father visited Germany in the fifties the actual Germans continually asked him why he was pretending to not speak German. So, if you ask me my ancestry, I will tell you I am German. Again, my point is that people have flooded through the US immigration for centuries from the first days they landed on our shores and thought we were India till still today. They have come continually and constantly trying to escape the Old World. Your people seem to have just as much fascination with our country not having a Monarch as we are curious about the fact that you still have one?
@@PredatorUpHill That sounds like the right history, and Thomas Sowell, the black economic historian, blames that Reiver culture for corrupting African-Americans because it was the main culture in the Old South (the original 'Red Neck' Culture). But the Campbells are despised, I believe, among the Highlanders, for treachery, cunning, and opportunism:)
@@PredatorUpHill I'm so confused, is there a missing comment this was in response to?
@@RiverWoods111 Germans are, to my surprise, the biggest European ethnic group there. I thought it was people of the British Isles. Germans were regarded as stolid, a tough, obedient, peasant workforce during the 19th century by Yankees
LOVE listening to Bruce. He makes learning history painless 😄
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Victoria and Albert were not distant cousins they were first cousins. Can’t get closer than that.
I absolutely love your videos. I learn so much! We've traced our ancestors back to Presbyterian ministers that immigrated to America. Our name was McLin and they changed it when they came to America.
Another great video Bruce, very interesting to listen to 👍🏴
Glad you enjoyed it
Great show Bruce 🏴👍🏼 as always...
Thanks
Profoundly interesting Bruce! Thanks for sharing this with us.
Looking forward to the sit down chat with Lars😉
I've always fantasized about a room whose walls are covered in historic time-lines. I wish I could see this one. Great bit of highlights and backstories. 👍🏻
As a typical Englishman with English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, German, French and Norwegian genes who is living in part of England that was part of Scotland, I just thought I would like to join in the discussion and ask what shirt I should be wearing at international rugby matches.
Very interesting and very good. My only adverse comment would be that Bruce interrupted a little too much.
Family histories are always complex, and they need time and space to explain.
Fascinating...thank you! As an amateur genealogist (for my own family) and Scottish, to boot, I find this all wonderful to know!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Your videos get better all the time. Though this one is a complete gem ⭐
Thanks
Personal comment of Laura Botten: I've always told my kids that people ask if Scotland could have it's own monarchy, but essentially the Scottish monarchy is what's left :D Last night we were saying how good the English are at making things their own. The Normans were the French who took over the English Saxons, the English Queen died and they put the Scottish king on the throne. Then they called the whole thing English :D Family connections are muddled up the further back you go. My Jost ancestors are German, but the Jost surname comes from the Celtic words jud (battle) and iodoc (lord). Ya go back far enough we're all related :D I know everyone's related to Robert II, but I'm just so surprised how we'd barely lost the information by a generation. I knew Mitchell Burns came to Canada with his family, but I just found that his mother was Mary Stewart (1773-1859, not the Queen of Scots). It's not the bragging rights that's exciting in family history, it's understanding why Grandpa Burns acted like a nobleman. He was! We'd just forgotten how.
Nothing to brag about. Nothing YOU accomplished.
Great content! Thank you Bruce and Lars! 🖤
I recently learned that both King Charles and Princess Diana were 14th great grandchildren to Mary Queen of Scots. I’d always known they were descendants of hers but wasn’t 100% on who fit where. My mother thought they were just plain old English (which I had to explain still isn’t so simple) but she just learned of the royal Scots heritage and was shocked, even though I explain histories to her daily 😂
We do live in the US however, so, many aren’t quite educated on history let alone Royal history.
OMG! That is confusing lol, but truly interesting. I'm going to have to listen to this one again.
Thank you🤔
Have a great day.
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The royal connection to the Scotland rugby team is through the Princess Royal (Princess Anne) as she is patron of the SRU / Scottish Rugby. I believe her son, Peter Phillips, played for Scottish Schools or one of the age-level teams back in the day...
Yes, sorry I said that so support your comment.
It's amazing how the historical details are memorized by the host. I need that historian to trace my Scottish lineage on my paternal line.
Looks like you have a cleft chin. That is a genetic marker of some OLD ancestry.
He is quite amazing
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@@geoffdundee Any idea where to get help with Scots-Irish lines? I have my branch of Kerrs from 1820's to me and know the general history of the family, as well as the general history of the Ulster Plantation, but I don't know how to connect my branch that emigrated from Ulster to the US in 1848 with the Scottish Borders.
I met lars last year when he was playing regent Arran would love to meet him again to talk to him about the genealogy as I’m also interested in it too
Usual excellent content.
Wow, it's complicated. Thank you for another super informative and enjoyable video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I had thought that if William, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cambridge, ascends to the throne, he would be uniting the Windsor line (through Charles III) and the Stuart line (through Diana Spencer), but it seems a bit more complicated than that.
Still, a fascinating video.
He is already connected to the Stuarts via his father, but through his mother he’s also connected to the Jacobite line albeit by an illegitimate child of James VII & I
Yes Spencer are of iligitamate Stewart line ie Norman/Scot. All by design...
And I thought the families in the soaps were hard to keep track of!
William could also choose to be known as King Arthur, since that's one of his given names! Uniting all those old lines and reigning as a new King Arthur would be kind of cool 😄
@@kathilisi3019 You King Arthur didn’t actually exist though, right?
Aye...you've done it again...Brilliant Bruce along with your wonderful guest Thank you!
Another good one Brucey. No doubting the Late Queen's genetic connection to Scotland, but there was also no doubting her love for Scotland as well
The way I saw it, she always looked pretty happy at Balmoral like the rest of her family. Returning there frequently. Or did I get the observation wrong?
It was where she often went on family holidays and also where she chose to spend her last days. I'd agree that she loved Scotland.
She loved Scotland and so do most of the rest of them. You can see in the photographs how happy they are to be there.
If I could live in Balmoral I would “love Scotland” too. She loved her large country estate and the mountain that she owned, and the village that made its living off the connection. But she didn’t spend any more time in Edinburgh than she had to, and when did she turn up in Dundee or Glasgow more than once a decade? Or even the West Highlands or the islands, for that matter.
Balmoral was her favourite place to be, not that I blame her. The castle is breathtaking just as the gardens surrounding it are
@@eh1702 she visited Scotland several times a year actually, it's clear you have the brain power of a dish cloth
Lovely stuff Bruce, as always.
The so-called German (Hanoverian) George I’s paternal ancestor was William of Winchester, son of Henry the Lionheart and the Plantagenet Princess Matilda, granddaughter of Empress Matilda. Just goes to show we are all a bit of a mix if you go back far enough. The Queen lived in Scotland and England. That’s good enough for me.
Queen Anne was definitely born a Stuart.
Indeed
Thank you for this comment; I had never heard of William of Winchester, and he lived an interesting life. (To be fair, it seems Matilda was about 14 generations back, and there were a whole lot of Germans and the occasional Dane in the interval between William and George I, so that English bit must have been pretty lonely.) But we are all very much of a mix, for sure.
@@edithengel2284 its also believed that the vast majority of brits are of Germanic decent. Be it algle, saxons, danes , vikings
Fascinating. You have filled in so many gaps in my knowledge. I never realised how many Scottish links there were to the royals. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
You would be a NIGHTMARE on a tour of a museum 😂. Very interesting thank you 🙂👍
I think he'd be a nightmare for the poor guides for whom it's just a job and who just have it all memorised, and a delight for those guides who love and study history and are bored with the same old memorised speech. :D
During my years of going on tours of Czech chateaus (that's a Thing over here rather than museum tours, okay), I've encountered both types of tour guides.
Just discovered your family a week ago. Lovin' the content. I love working on Family Trees. So this was a video really up my alley.
There is a lot of Scottish and English mixing all around the royal family but the direct line to both monarch lines ended with Elizabeth I in England and Anne Stuart in Scotland.
The Queen Mother came from a long line of Home Counties and London families. One of her grannies was born in Leicestershire, that’s as far north as it gets for many generations. If your parents, grandparents and great-grandparents were all Home Counties people, and you were born when the family was at a caravan they owned in NI, but grew up and lived in London & the Home Counties, would you go on and on about “being Northern Irish”?
The Tudor line was the most British royal line the British had. It had Welsh, Scottish and English royal lineages. Not like any of this matters because all royalty in Britain stemmed from invaders be it the Romans, Celts, Angles, Saxons, Danes, Norwegians (Vikings) or those warbands that heard of Britain's wealth in the late Bronze age. The common folk in the UK have DNA stemming back thousands of years, a length of time which out spans us playing Kings and Queens.
@@UkSapyy You dont understand. It has nothing to do with lnieages with commoners.
Its about royal lines and both the ones to England and Scotland were cut 100s of years ago.
The question is the monarch Scottish is absurd really.
The Windsors are more German and Greek than anything else.
I'm sure the queens mother was 100% Scottish wasnt she?
@@jordanleigh8119 There is no one 100% Scottish.
another great video, Bruce ! there was so much information in this 15 minutes. thank you.
Very welcome
Great subject but the audio is awful Bruce.Could I suggest running it through an app like audacity to clean and boost.Otherwise great as per !
Love this so much. Teaching my son in nz about history of scotland and this is awsome
Wonderful
This was so fascinating thank you so much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Loved this video. I'm a Griffiths on the one side and a Patrick on the other with a big dose of English on both sides too, from Liverpool and Newcastle-under-Lyme. Consequently I've always felt British. Our history of intermingling as people, through war, colonisation, emigration, animosity, friendship & family underscores how despite our differences we Brits have a lot in common and that our union makes sense culturally and politically.
Very true.I'm a Scottish Gillis and a Welsh connection with my Griffiths forebears.
Such a fascinating video! Thank you, Bruce! And I really love your shirt - that colour really suits you 😍
My condolences on the passing of the Queen. She was a great lady and Queen. May God Rest her Soul
Most Scots would disagree. And by that I mean Scottish people , not English settlers.
Very interesting episode! Thanks for sharing this with us ❤️
You're welcome
Wasn't Diana Spencer a descendent of Robert the Bruce's line as well? I think I read that somewhere.
Thanks Bruce! 🏴💜
Maybe? However definitely through her Fathers side, as her Great-Great-Grandfather married a Seymour and she was decended from an illegitimate son of Charles II, a Stuart.
You should do a video about how William and Harry are of the Jacobite Stewart line on their mothers side.
Diana’s kids were possibly replaced after her death.
In fact, Lord Cumberland stopped off for the night at Glamis Castle on his way to Inverness (& Culloden). After he left the bed and bedding he slept in was taken out of doors and burned.
England can keep Harry , Scotland doesn’t like traitors.
I really would love to get a peek at that chart, and have Lars do the explanation all the way to the beginning of it.
Maybe another video
Condolences on the passing of your queen. despite those little kerfluffles in 1776 and 1812, we still hold a fair affection for your royals, and for her in particular.
That Bowes-Lyon (Glamis) line goes straight back to RTB and David I. RTB's first wife (Isabella del Mar - mother of Marjory and David) was Welsh royalty. I think that RTB's mum was a Campbell.
When my family and I visited Scotland in 2016, we visited Scone palace and in the basement is a long hallway with the lineage of the British Royal Family tracing their lineage back to Celtic Scotland. I laughed out loud at that point knowing how German the present family is. However, thanks for the details of this. Maybe I was a bit disrespectful then, eh? :-)
They’re only German if you don’t count female lines. 😉
Not to be rude but if you could trace your family back over a thousand years I'm pretty sure you would be shocked by just what nationality you hail from. Having heritage belonging to another country means shit
Lol I seen similar in a pub in scone and laughed out aloud, how Norman/ German the blood line is. Very deceiving all by design.
@@ffotograffydd Not sure about that one...it was a female Stuart that married into the Hannoverian Dynasty after all!
@@paulmckearney4945 So marrying a German wipes out your DNA? 😂
Didn’t Anne’s son try out for Scotland Rugby? Plus Anne is head of Scotland Rugby isn’t she?
I seem to remember reading a history book that said the Scottish parliament proclaimed Bonnie Prince Charlie King Charles III, which would mean the current King should be King Charles IV. Do I have a false memory?
Nope you're spot on.
@@WarlockHolmes420 Do you really think the winning pro-Hanoverian side care one jot what was proclaimed by the supporters of the losing pro-Stuart/Jacobite side? Especially when made by a bunch of uppity Jocks? Hell no. They didn't care when they imposed Queen Elizabeth II on Scotland, even though there had been no prior Queen of Scots with that name, and I don't think the obsequious pro-monarchy Scottish establishment will bat an eyelid at Charles Windsor proclaiming himself as Charles III.
As I recall, even the heirs of Bonny Prince Charlie renounced that claim (because of Napoleonic-period politics). So we really should forget about that bunch.
@@PhilMasters Current Head of the Jacobites is German! BPC himself was Italian!
This might be the only one of your videos where I left more confused about the subject than when I started watching!
We're 🏴 everywhere 🌐 thanks to our " family politics " 🚀 Thanks Bruce and respect to your guest Lars Cook for helping lay out a comprehensive lineage of the Royal Family 👊🏼
My son and I are planning our first trip to Scotland in Mid-October. I'm loving the videos and learning some of the history and culture you describe. Several of your suggestions will make our list, although we only have 7 days so clearly not all.
Have fun!
@@ScotlandHistoryTours I'm sure we will. The only "problem" is I already want to plan a second trip for all the stuff I already know I won't get to.
A slip of the tongue from Bruce when he said "George II, the man who WE were fighting against at Culloden". I am sure that Bruce knows that between 1/4 AND 1/3 of George II's army was made up of Scots and that there were also English fighting for Charles Edward Stuart. So it was clearly not a Scotland versus England event but was more of a dynastic struggle between two royal families as to who was to be the ruler of Britain.
Nonetheless Scots/Scotland were considered the enemy.
Correct. It was a struggle between two branches of Stuarts as the Hanoverians were also Stuarts. My understanding is 75% of the Duke of Cumberland's soldiers were Scots
@@lauratictoc No. They were not considered the enemy.
@@graemegardner8962 about 1 tenth of Cumberland army Scots
@@graemegardner8962 read Christopher Duffy book. Very comprehensive. Even weather reports from the day.
Hi, Lars! Our talk last May (2023) was fascinating and guided me to finding Clan Donnachaidh as my clan. Thank you so much!
I'll tell Lars next time I see him
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Hi, Bruce! We'll be in Glasgow Sept 8-10. Are you going to have a presentation in the area at that time? We'd love to see you. Love your history stories!
The Queen Mother was Hime Counties through and through. Essentially, she was born in the family’s holiday home. Her dad was born in London, went to Eton. Married a girl from Belgravia. Lived in Surrey until he inherited Glamis a couple of years before QM was born. HIS father was born in Herefordshire (wife born Surrey) and also lived in London & the Home Counties (died in Italy) HIS father was born and lived in Hertfordshire (Wife also from Hertfordshire)and he died in France.
lmfao
Wish I could have finished this one Bruce but FYI the volume is too low ;)
The bloodlines of Scotland France wales England Ireland makes my eyes glaze over. I knew there was a reason QEII had property in Scotland but couldn’t make heads nor tails out of it. Thanks for explaining it in a fun way.
QE 1st of Scotland.
"The bloodlines of Scotland France wales England Ireland"
What bloodlines of Ireland? Ireland was a colony of England it never had its own blood line rulers. All the kings and queens of Ireland were English, there legitimacy wasn't even recognized by the wilde Irish, who were autonomous in their own lands, much to the frustration of the English hence surrender and regrant policies of King Henry VIII ... You have tudor welsh, Scottish and English and french, but no Irish bloodlines. The closest thing Ireland had to an Irish king was the Earl of Desmond.
@@Maestro4759 Guess you've never heard of the high kings of Ireland
Very interesting and thorough following of the Royals. Thank you for this video👍🥰
On the rugby front, your forgetting Peter Phillips, Ann’s boy who not only supports Scotland, but played for them as an under 21. And is the oldest grandchild of the Queen, and first cousin to both William and Harry. The only part of the UK, that doesn’t get a look in when it comes to support in the rugby is Northern Ireland.
Northern Ireland don't have a national rugby team, there is only a combined Irish national rugby team.
Sir I am fully aware of the fact that the Island of Ireland plays rugby as one nation, and thus in the six nations championship is considered a home nation. And that for a number of reasons it wouldn’t be politically wise for a member of the royal family to champion Ireland, in the way that various members do for the other nations.
@Mark P No I'm not forgetting that. I'm well aware of that
This was delightful to watch
There regional nu ber issue was settled years ago. In the mid-1960s Winston Churchill suggested that the higher of either Scootish or English regnal numbers would always be used. This had been the de facto case since 1707 and the signing of the Acts of Union as four of the 12 monarchs had higher English regnal numbers than their Scottish regnal numbers (William IV, Edward VII, Edward VIII and Elizabeth II). Nobody objected to the first three although Edward VII was Edward I of Scotland. This means if we ever get Alexander, Prince of Wales, he'd be Alexander IV even though in England there has never been a King Alexander of England.
When Elizabeth II became queen the nationalists of Scotland about using E-II-R on the post boxes so a decision was made to use the Scottish crown on the post boxes in Scotland. One of the first boxes with the queen's royal cypher, in Leith I believe, was vandalised. Funny thing is, I have been told, that one of the first Scottish crown boxes put in place in Stirling, was also vandalised (but I think that might be an urban myth as I can't find details of such an event occuring unlike the event in Leith.
Sorry but the fact that James VI and VII are always either referred to as James VI and VII of Scotland, James I and II of England or just James I and II by English people doesn’t back up the claims of standardisation to the highest number. It proves that it is only when the highest number is English, that all must abide by it.
@@lynnejamieson2063 James I and VI was long dead by the time Churchill made his suggestion AND his reign was a personal union of the crowns NOT a union of the kingdoms he rules, although he wanted it to be so, or so I have read, to the opposition of both countries' nobility. As I pointed out Churchill only applied it after the Acts of Union of 1707. So far we haven't had the name of a solely Scottish monarch, such ax Robert or Alexander, reach the throne.
Excellent and revealing vidio , thank you both
Our pleasure!
They are very Scottish. There bloodline consist mainly of Scottish heritage.
No, the British Royal family is blood related to the "foreign Royal families" of Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. Also the British Royal family was blood related to the past Royal families of Russia, Greece, and Romania.
~Queen Elizabeth II's family changed their foreign and German name to Windsor because of anti-German sentiment in the United Kingdom during World War-1 in 1917. There was a radical change when George V specifically "adopted the name Windsor", not only as the name of their House or dynasty, but also as the surname of his family. Their foreign and German family name (House of) Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was changed, as a result of anti-German feeling during the 1st World War, "to" the name (House of) Windsor which was adopted after the Castle of the same name. The reason for this name change was because the United Kingdom had major feelings of discontent against Germany due to World War-1.
~Also the British Queen Victoria's first grandchild was Kaiser Wilhelm II the leader of Germany in World War-1.
~Then future Queen Elizabeth II married her second cousin once removed, her husband Prince Philip who also changed his name (House of) Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg "to" Mountbatten in 1947.
~Prince Phillip's mother Princess Alice of Battenberg was the great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria. That's how Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Phillip were related to one another through Queen Victoria.
Always wondered! This clears it up! Great presentation! Cheers , Kenny!
Bruce! Am Lockhart, anything to tell me? Covenanter or Jacobite?
Well, not only are the English Royal family proper Scots ( not surprising ) but it seems kissing cousins were quite common, lol. Absolutely great video Bruce my friend. Thanks for the video and good morning from America.
It was pretty common in royal and aristocratic families in general; the Habsburgs probably take the cake, though, because there were two branches of the family ruling two different countries and there was A LOT of dynastic intermarriage between the two. I seem to recall at one point there was a marriage between an uncle and a niece who at the same time were cousins, or some such extreme genetic entanglement...
Aside from William and Mary, who were first cousins, there does tend to be a bit of distance kept in the British Royal Family.
@@ffotograffydd Victoria and Albert were _also_ first cousins...
@@beth12svist My apologies, you are correct.
I just saw your cameo in a new movie! Definitely gonna watch. Woot. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Yay! Thank you!
Pretty cheeky. Fighting against tyranny and national healthcare. As if it could always be so easily summed up. Maybe a DNA test would help me on this one. Having said this I absolutely love your videos and the amount of depth of the topic to the cinema graphic style. Thank you very much for making these
Thank you 😊
Completely different question. Are u in that new movie about Richard III. Watched the trailer and I’m positive it’s u. If so. Well done. Hope it’s a break for u and this channel. Some of the best history content their is. Keep it up.
Kinda thought you were talking pish but was interested enough to google it , discovered your talking about some new steve coogan film and there he wis...the man himself......lol
@@RFL1976 took me days to remember where I’d seen him. 🤣
Aye that's the boy
What a brilliant brilliant video, nice one.
Queen Elizabeth was a direct descendant from the House of Stuart. And thus related to every single Scottish King and Queen since the 8th century. She is Scottish as she comes.
Lovely story. I am interested in scottish history and read a lot about it. I have been to Stirling castle and admired the great hall and we even have a picture where we sit in the chairs. I really admire Bruce Fummey , he brings history with a twinkle in his eye and sometimes with an outragous joke thrown in. But a big laugh
It's always cool to hear about family lines and what the last name really means, It took me forever to find out where the sir name of Lee came from, and I got help finding out what happened there from my English relatives. It was two men who were Norman Knights in the 1200s. They had to have sir names, and they took their mother's middle name of Lee as the Sir name, and the rest is history.
I did hear that sometime in the dim and distant past children to the maiden name of their mother because everyone knew who the parent was but not the father if that makes sense.
@@pjmoseley243 Yes it does I know how they chose Lee, Their father used the Town as his sir name like Robin of Locksley, Which the town was in Normandy so they are in England they have to pick a new name so they took their mothers middle name of Lee, And we were off and running. Most famous of the Lee's you would know is the Actor Sir Christopher Lee who of course was Dracua , Count Dooku and Saruman
@@xjp1998and the Man with the Golden Gun!
@@pjmoseley243that's true. Your father might be at your birth, or maybe not, or "who's the daddy??". But it was a certainty your mum would be at your birth, lol, it was very difficult for her not to be there 😂. Some cultures focus on the maternal line instead of paternal for that reason. Especially with rape being more common in those days, and obviously no concept of DNA testing, paternity was harder to establish, but maternity was easy
@@jumbodoug JUmbo what culture followed the maternal line because thats whats really important I think for all the reasons you point out.
I apreciate all the information bruce you and your m8 are a welth of knowlige
Good episode Bruce, I'm sure like many others i have become fatigued with the onslaught of royal coverage since the passing of the Queen but i was happy to see the title of this video, its something i have wondered about, even before recent events from time to time, my mothers side of the family come from Dundee area and although not particularly royalist in anyway we were always quite aware that the Queen mother came from just up the road in Glamis, ive often thought of my own late Grandmother as the Queen of our Family and the Queens passing has reminded me of her more than usual.
I am somebody who believes it is time to move on from constitutional monarchy and for Scotland to be an independent country however it has upset me a little bit to see some whom i consider likeminded people revel in the death of an old lady and others try to enforce grief and respect in an undignified manner, please note to avoid confusion these are general thoughts and not directed at Bruce or anybody else in the comments
Everyone deserves respect. No matter what family they're born into
I agree with you.
"... a lot of "family politics", yes." 😆😆😆
cannot wait to see you in 'The Lost King'! shocked me to see you in the trailer :D