I agree with you 💯 %,There are companies competing for business and if one of the companies can prove they are better they will get more business if the product is better. Wwe is bad but AEW Is worst. At least Wwe has a comprehensive training system, AEW DOESN'T they constantly parade indi wrestlers which aren't good to begin with and looks like they went to wrestling school just to learn how to fall and then said I'm ready for the big time. Screw learning to work,psychology, hitting the gym,learning the business, etc.
@@flyguy7825 he shits on both and has proved overtime that anything WWE gets more views for the channel, which would mean more monetary gain, but they don't fucking watch or review it except the PPVs when they do abysmal shit worth talking about or if a match happens to be good, cause they don't want to be subject to how fucking atrocious it is on a weekly basis.
@Jeff You can read right?I said he shits on AEW more than the WWE I never said he never shits on the WWE.Dude you’re going on Wikipedia for peoples measurements dude all of that is made up make believe people have said in the past don’t go on Wikipedia for someone’s height and weight because nine times out of 10 it’s going to be the shit that they made up for the wrestling characters.
Jim: “Brian you gotta sell a match give me a min and a half” Brian: “Alright you 4 eyed f*ck” Lmao he’s been waiting for a long time to cut a promo on Corny
So if you were watching 2 great wrestlers today and the big "highspot" was a hip toss and dropkick combo you would pop. Those wrestlers would get booed out of the arena
@@travissmith6380 you have no clue how the crowd would react, if their psychology throughout the match had been great, then yes the stadium would pop. If it was bad psychology no one would boo they be silent, because they wouldn’t care.
@@travissmith6380 I think a better example of what he means is: Vader does 1 moonsault in a match = good use of a high spot. Vader does 6 moonsaults during a match = kills the spot.
@@travissmith6380 The issue is the lack of restraint nowadays, if all you do is incredible feats of athleticism, then these feats don’t stand out anymore. After the 10th destroyer off the top rope you won’t excite anybody anymore and you won’t get a reaction. And then how do you top that the next time, to get a pop?
"It's not the size of the fight in the dog its whether they look like they should be in the fight to begin with"....perfectly articulated & the Pac / Bucks comparison is spot on.
*** Laughs in REY MYSTERIO & AAA- Lucha Libre . I'm sorry , what happened to all those Jim Crocket guys hes managed, they jobbed in WWE. AAA is still in business and sells out Arenas with little guys.
@@chibiromano5631 Selling out in arenas 😂 AAA goes after boxing in midnight on saturdays now, because no one gives a shit about them, and most people even in Mexico care more about football and boxing instead of "wrestling". Their most over guy is Kemonito because of memes, not because anyone is watching their shows 😂😂😂
@@chibiromano5631 football meaning soccer you bozo, liga mx is one of the most popular 'soccer' leagues in the world OH and FYI the last time the Browns faced the Patriots was in 2019 and it was the lowest rated NFL prime time game since 2002... with 21 million viewers lmao Triplemania would be lucky to get 210,000 viewers, let alone 21,000,000, no one gives a fuck about wrestling you mark
2 minutes of Corny hating ketchup & eating cheese & being an absolute heathen who literally slathers himself in bacon grease until he can't sleep at night because his stomach is growling so hard
In my opinion, Jim Cornette is the smartest wrestling pschologist. He knows how to do moves and when to do them. He knows how to make an idea work, how to engage the audience. In a different life, he would’ve been the greatest Hollywood director or screenwriter. I wish more wrestlers and promoters would listen to him, and actually learn something. But the problem is, with wrestling as with the world in general, everybody believe they know everything and are not able to admit that they make mistakes and need advice.
I disagree. His views were great for that time period, but now they are very outdated. It worked in 1980 because there was nothing else to do with your time. Today nobody wants to see this kind of product anymore, especially in a world with soo many alternatives. There are too many other ways to spend your time, like UA-cam, Netflix, Twitch, Podcasts, Video games etc.. Also with MMA existing, i doubt many people want to watch men in their underwear pretending to fight, when you can see the real thing in MMA. Wrestling can still be successful today, but not the style of wrestling Jim Cornette would like.
No everybody...you clearly didn't watch attitude era.....hate to be stereotypical or cliché but The Rock was hilarious, undoubtedly 1....Eddie was great tho, close 2nd no disrespect ! R.I.P. Latino Heat
The Marko Stunt part of the article made me giggle. Yes, size is a big factor in wrestling. If anyone who isn't a hardcore AEW fan walked into a room and saw him on TV they would laugh and walk away. It doesn't matter if they want to believe that or not, that's the reality.
Bro by your logic you’re basically judging people by the way they fucking look just because someone doesn’t look like what you think an athlete or somebody who plays a particular sport or does something doesn’t mean that they can’t do something I’ve met a lot of fighters that if you judge them by they look don’t look like fighters this is Jim Cornett being Jim Cornette
@@flyguy7825 Hey, not everyone can be an athlete let alone a wrestler. You want me to believe some child like Marko Stunt can go toe-to-toe with guys like Brian Cage just by doing his stupid spots? If he want to be a comedic wrestler than it's okay for me, but to be legitimate wrestler? Really makes you think
These people don't want to accept the truth. They would rather close their eyes and cover their ears whilst screaming "KENNY OMEGA IS THE BIGGEST DRAW EVER" over and over again
@@smigglychalmers Aw, did I hurt your little feelings? Good. Did you notice how I used a comma between "Aw, and did"? Take notes kid, and soon you'll be using punctuation like a big boy!
Bro Rey Mysterio is only like 3 inches taller and weighs maybe 20 to 30 more pounds Rey Mysterio is a tiny man himself Not to mention Rey Mysterio has never ever been in the ring with someone that he has had any type of height or weight advantage he’s always been what you would call the underdog and damn near all of his matches
@Jeff Really dude Wikipedia you do know all of those measurements on Wikipedia or a little how should I put this fake bro I’ve been to shows I’ve seen Rey Mysterio live I about 6 feet and I’m about 171 Rey Mysterio Probably weighs about 150 But that’s not the point my point is the dude has been the underdog pretty much his whole career he has never ever had any type of height or weight advantage on anyone and he is considered a legend and people didn’t laugh at him out of the building my point is is that Marco Stunt is super young and he could have potential to be a big star.
I'm late to the party ,but this made me respect Jim that much more. He kept it honest, and gave out lots of gems. It was damn near a master class on professionalism about the business..
I love AEW and enjoy it a lot. But I'll be stupid if I didn't see the flaws in their booking which there are numerous (biggest one being Cody Rhodes's booking). I agree with a lot of things Cornette says but not everything. His genuine critiques are on point. I just ignore when he reviews stuff based on his biases. e.g Omega, Sasha vs Bianca at Mania, Ethan Page etc.
I also don't agree with everything he says, but that's normal, you can't always be on the same page. Also everybody is biased to a certain degree. The good thing about Cornette is that he's always entertaining and rhetorically brilliant whether I agree to the content or not. And in most cases I agree, whether it's wrestling, politics or food.
I liked Ethan Page a lot Until I saw his twitter. -Ethan Page played by Julian Is his handle on Twitter. Like Cmon does any1 think Undertaker would’ve been as successful if he was Undertaker played by Mark? Of course not, it just helps dismantle any believability
Jim is naturally relevant to wrestling. He's like a historian of wrestling who you respect because of his expertise on it. His political views and religious views I could do without, but I'll listen to Jim's opinions on wrestling all day
@@ToxicAvengerCleanYourMind in all fairness, even if I were to disagree with 100% of EVERYTHING he said. ...I'd still probably be entertained by how he said it 😂
I recall one person, who mentioned that they voted Republican, saying in the comments one day, that they didn't care for his politics but they'd never let that stop them consuming great content on wrestling history. It's always refreshing when you see people who don't piss and moan in the comments about something they hate that Jim likes and vice versa. Sometimes you have to draw a line and if the negatives outweigh the positives for you, go find something that brings you more joy but if the reverse is true, just shrug your shoulders and just pay attention to what you like. Personally I'm a 'goes to church weekly' guy but if I'd never heard about Harley Race, his love of fire and Hogan fandom, my life would be less complete, lol.
The fact that people damn near consider any non finisher submission a “rest” hold, rather than an ACTUAL WRESTLING MANEUVER!!!! Is ridiculous. Holds and struggles have much more place in a ring than a fucking back flip….
"The wrestling business is dead. I can not bring it back. Single handedly. I can not save it. It's too late for that. A conservative effort can't bring it back. Nobody can bring it back. Because it's dead" - Jim Cornette
@@arnavbhagwat4232 Yeah but a vision to revive it is to make it look realistic and make the casual fan question themselves whether a segment and try to define the network expectations as an outlier. To make it successful, Vince Russo and Corny should just squash the beef. The sex line regarding Omega should be a thing already as a weekly comedy spot and end the weekly segments with Big Dick Johnson (from the 2006 DX run) doing something in the background.
@@Shawn6751 I don't think that vision will ever come true, because wrestlers these days don't seem to care. If anything, all that's left for the wrestling business to do now is to die out, and just erase it from history as if it never even became a thing.
The article should have been named "What Cornette is right when it comes to WWE bad shit vs What he gets wrong because it's AEW" This was clearly written by a fan who likes to use the phrase "I agree with Jim when he attacks the WWE, but I have to stop listening when he starts talking AEW"
He said that High Spots and small guys don't sell. I'm sorry.. Rey Mysterio, Eddie Gurrero. Triple AAA is still in business, his old territory is long gone. Does he have receipts proving that big guys and no high spots sells more. This guy is so out of touch with the industry, no wonder hes unemployed.
@@chibiromano5631 I can't tell if this is sarcasm.....As for receipts, the man literally has almost every event he ever appeared in, the gate they got, and the money they made all written down. He's got every receipt you'd want to see, lol
@@chibiromano5631 ok....All in and AAA vs Wrestlemania with Brock Lesnar, or Undertaker, or Rock. (I'm not a betting man, but I'd say you might want to fold that hand)...if you need him to go farther, I mean, I'm sure he's got Flair/Steamboat, Andre, Bruno. headlining.....I gotta say.....the numbers dont look to favor your side on this one. Omega just headlined Impact ppv.....did you see that number? This video might have more views by the end of the week The audience during these older days were ten times the small cult following these companies carry today.....and they didnt have social media to help. The problem with using All In as an example, is that the show sold out before one match was announced....they could have let Rhode's dog headline and it would have been sold out.....Not even Dave will challenge yesteryear numbers because while All in needed a ppv to sell out (Dynomite couldnt sell even half their seats prior to the pandemic with the same roster as All In....) vs the old days when guys would do 20/30K at live events with no tv
This video is a main reason why Jim Cornette is one of the greatest wrestling managers of all time. Someone who takes pride in what they do for a living.
You know it’s fake right? If it was real a 125 pound amateur would take anyone in the rock and roll express and put them in a pretzel in maybe 10 seconds. These are not the catch as catch can wrestlers. They are fake 80s wrestlers. They are not a Thesz or a Gotch or a Hodge or a Robinson. The 80’s pro wrestlers are as real as todays pro wrestlers.
Jim has said this many times before. A wrestling match needs to tell a story. A match should have peaks and valleys, moments of lulls and highs. If everything is full stop from bell to bell, there is no build-up. If there is nothing but high spots, where does end? Jump off the top rope? Jump off their partner? Jump off the cage? The high spots are getting more and more dangerous just to get that highlight moment. Goodwilly needs to go back to porn, or whatever he was doing that wasn't wrestling.
Corny LOVED walter vs dragunov. And he was not the only one. Everybody in the industry was fawning over it BECAUSE THIS IS HOW THE EVOLUTION OF WRESTLING SHOULD BE.
I don’t always agree with Cornette, but I really enjoy hearing his thoughts. He speaks from his heart and I respect that and appreciate the chance to view things from another perspective.
Maybe its just me you definetly agreed with somethings am tired of comments like this we can have a perspective but nah he is saying what everybody is thinking
The writer keeps talking about fans opinions. What fans? There aren't any left. The ones that still care don't watch because it hurts. So we listen to podcasts.
that's what always eats me up about people saying that Jim is out of touch with what modern fans want. they're talking about a crowd of less than a million people that like this lame indy shit...without realizing how self-defeating that argument is.
True for me. I grew up loving wrestling but i don't enjoy it at all anymore. I want to because there is potential but it's always squandered. Why watch something I don't like anymore?
@@SamsarasArt Sadly nowadays it has come to be handpicking material by company. Imho what is a must-match usually is: MLW= Jacob Fatu, Hammerstone, Von Erichs, Middleweight division. NWA = Aldis, Murdoch. ROH = The Foundation, Pure Wrestling, Lethal, RUSH and Dragon Lee. Impact (yeah lol) = X Division, Joe Doering. Wwe = MVP, McIntyre, Reigns w/ Heyman, Zayn and Owens, Cesaro, Rollins, WALTER, NXT's top/upper midcard. Aew = PAC.
Jim is right on high spots, Mysterio is one of the greatest high flyers, most of his matches were fought on the map, using grapples and holds as well as kicks, his high spot was the 619 which he would use usually once a match, so Jim is right.
I was thinking. Growing up, the smallest guy I seen in a wrestling ring was Koko B Ware. And he was 3 times the size of Stunt. Puts things into perspective
Kurt angle was the perfect kind of comedy wrestler in a sense. His character wasn't always a goofball but when it was hid character was genuinely funny, yet even though was technically still green at the time, he knew too always be dead serious in a match
He had a little bit of the Bobby Heenan personality. He could be humorous but insulting at the same time. It was also the combination of the fact that he was a legit badass playing a chickenshit heel. Everything just balanced out.
The big thing is that Kurt Angle acted like he was taking it seriously. Even when he acted goofy, it didn't feel like he was in on the joke. It was funny because he was being humiliated to the crowd who wanted to see the smug prick get what was coming to him. Kurt acting like he believed his shtick is a big part of why it worked. If he just winked and nodded at the camera then it would have sucked.
The fact that Jim Cornette calls AEW an Outlaw Mudshow works for Me and calling Kenny Olivier (Omega) Twinkle Toes McFingerBang is the cherry on top thus he is always right … 💯
To be honest, I don't mind him being a wrestler. He's just a product of his time. But he should be a jobber. He should be a guy winning the 24/7 belt in wwe. He can get wins here and there in an actual match, but he shouldn't be going over 10 minutes with Kenny omega.
The backstage role of non-former wrestlers is a hilarious point as the article points out the WWE; but makes no mention that the booker for AEW is someone that has no business booking and fills the same criteria, llolololol
On the "public experiences" thing, Al Snow does a good beginner class where he talks about why the closed fist punch is banned in wrestling and so is often used sparingly or for fire-up spots: because most of that crowd don't know what taking a slam, a suplex or a figure four leg lock feels like... but a lot of them know what being punched in the face feels like, so seeing dozens of worked punches that don't leave a mark and don't have any effect would just ruin suspension of disbelief.
@@stephonwilliams5232 Travis Heckel is the one who does the art for the youtube videos, he always draws some over the top silly stuff which entertains people.
Something Wrestlemania did right is that I think there might have been only 2 or 3 maximum finishers in 3 matches or something, everything else was 1 finisher and it was over, it was a breath of fresh air knowing it's not another 2.9 counts because the first 2 finishers don't matter anymore
The only thing Cornette has ever been wrong about is Asuka. She is phantasmo. Other than that he is absolutely right about everything. #pissonRussosGravePPV
Is this one of those “listicles” that you have to click on “next slide” so you get an ad (or three)between each number on list (which is also covered in ads)? Because from the titles of the articles it sounds like one of those trash websites.
He has substance to his points, but it's not like there is answer there. Promotions need to stay on tv, and audiences like jacked roid addicts, but they're not going to hold audience using the pace of the 1980's matches, because 1980's crowds thought pro wrestling is real...They even have pejorative name for customers...marks...That's not healthy business philosophy to deceive...and it's not needed because enough audience respects athleticism, if you don't alienate them...but there's civil war in the industry because it's art, NOT science...In story telling
I'd love to see a decent journalist try to do a serious critique about what Jim gets wrong. This numpty is clearly a fan of the indie 'anyone can do anything and every match needs everything' style, but I think you could actually have a decent discussion about say: -Is Jim too dismissive of women's wrestling? -Is his ideas about gimmicks stuck in the past? -Does he get ANYTHING wrong about psychology? While I don't think you can present wrestlers in the way they used to, what is fundamental to wrestling (the idea that it needs to look violent while hiding that it is not as bad as it looks) is so obvious, but you still get all these stupid gimmick matches, and obviously orchestrated spots that destroy suspension of disbelief
are there any wrestling journalists out there that aren't marks for Meltzer? too many people take his opinion as gospel (*cough* Conrad), so i think a proper critique would need to come from someone who has actually wrestled and is from Jim's era / someone who he respects. the whole "jim is a cuck / shock jock" dismissal from modern wrestlers/fans is a weak cop-out to avoid critical analysis of modern pro wrestling.
How they both destroy this article is literally why I left the AEW official fan site because every response and opinion where in the vain of this article; most responses and so called opinions I got from the most fanatic of fans there are as baseless, non sensical, no proof or elaboration to any statement they make (I literally think they don't know the difference between an opinion and a statement) and really makes you question if they fully grasp what they are saying or have actually watch wrestling.
Most of them are really ignorant about wrestling, which is disheartening tbqh considering THESE are the "modern wrestling fans" the article is talking about.
@@renatocontrerasflores294 I feel like they haven’t watch wrestling at all … like I have even asked them what wrestling is to them or to elaborate on their points… the answers vary from no answer to it is impossible to define to insults.
I’d love to see Jim start a new company in 2023. I know he probably wants to get away from the business. But I would love for him to take complete booking control of a company. Would definitely lure guys like FTR over and they would actually be used properly.
It's important to realize that marks live in their own little universe that is completely detached from the rest of society. They will like pretty much anything that even vaguely resembles wrestling because so much of their identity and lifestyle is built around wrestling. For people like that whose favorite hobby is wrestling, who go to shows and buy merch and are part of the iwc, not having wrestling to watch is unacceptable. Because of that they have essentially no standards and perceive wrestling in a way different from everyone else. It's like a really hardcore fan of a band that will love whatever they put out no matter how shitty it is and no matter how much everyone else hates it. These marks don't understand how utterly ridiculous modern wrestling looks to everyone else. There has always been some amount of silliness in wrestling but now it's just cringe-worthy and embarrassing to the point that a lot of people would be ashamed to admit they are wrestling fans to strangers. Flippy bullshit wrestling just looks stupid and so fake that you can't suspend disbelief. It's like the really super corny martial arts fights in some Hong Kong movies vs good Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan films. You know that Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan aren't really fighting the guys in the movie but it looks believable enough to still be entertaining. The other thing these marks need to understand is that the stuff they consider funny in wrestling is generally speaking, extremely unfunny to everyone that isn't a part of their universe. Most people don't actually laugh at stupid shit like pockets and lego matches. It's lame and unfunny. Try showing it to someone who isn't a Mark and see if they laugh. I'm not against comedy in wrestling, but what's happening in AEW and WWE isn't even comedy, it is just goofy trash for children and hardcore marks.
The things that destroyed modern wrestling is wrestlers not sticking to kayfabe and addressing them as performance artist, spilling out all BTS secrets and having scripted promos. Shit man attitude era was so awesome and now i can't even watch straight for 5 mins.
@@Jefso1404 sure was,had over the top stuff to,like Al Snow wrestling a mannequin head & in storylines with Big Bossman kidnapping his chihuahua making him eat the dog. Mark Henry & Mae Young giving birth to a hand.
The ONLY thing that Jim Cornette seems to be consistantly unfair about I would say is that he completely dismisses Japanese women wrestlers as little cheerleaders but there are so many great female Japanese wrestlers. Everything else he pretty much hits the nail on the head.
I understand where he's coming from though, they really don't try too hard to differentiate themselves. Similar clothes, same move set. The only standout was the female Freddie Mercury and that was just ridiculous. It would be the same for any country/sex, it's a business where you need to stand out. If nxt got 10 British guys Pete dunns height, doing the same moves, dressing similarly you'd ask what is going on. People tuning in for the first time would think it was a special interest show from the UK not an American wrestling promotion.
@@garyslackjaw I don't think so at all, not in the slightest. Just to pick 3 of the more high profile names, Asuka and Io Shirai and Hikaru Shida - they all have completely different clothes, completely different characters, completely different hair styles, they look and also work very differently to each other.
@Kwame brown and Jim cornette burner account I think that's more on deeb than riho. The first match I saw with riho yuka Nagasaki and nyla Rose was bad, and her greeness shows even against Nagasaki.
Everything he said is true. He's actually quite good at arguing his points on this one. It's like his comments on the high spots, it's the impact each move has, not whether or not you can string so many together in a row. When AEW does stuff like that it undermines their product. It looks more like a scripted cheerleading routine than a wrestling match. If those moves were spread out and had an impact, if they were actually sold, I bet Jim wouldn't mind. All of his arguments are grounded in one basic argument. Believability. Everyone sitting at home knows that the outcomes are predetermined. Even when I was a little kid I knew. My dad tried to hide it but I told him it was "fake" (kid me). We all know but the point is we want to suspend our disbelief. How can I do that during a Bucks match where they're doing a cheerleading routine? Or a match where Marco Stunt wins against an actual wrestler? I normally don't comment on these videos but imo Jim killed it here. I don't always agree with Jim but he nailed it. Pretty damn good for an on the fly take too imo.
I had heard of a couple of occasions where the wrestlers would spend some time in a "rest hold" because they were watching a fan fight that broke out 😀
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This article is basically if Jim criticizes WWE he’s right , but if he criticizes AEW he’s wrong .
I agree with you 💯 %,There are companies competing for business and if one of the companies can prove they are better they will get more business if the product is better. Wwe is bad but AEW Is worst. At least Wwe has a comprehensive training system, AEW DOESN'T they constantly parade indi wrestlers which aren't good to begin with and looks like they went to wrestling school just to learn how to fall and then said I'm ready for the big time. Screw learning to work,psychology, hitting the gym,learning the business, etc.
He shits on AEW more then the WWE dont know how anyone can debate that.
@@flyguy7825 he shits on both and has proved overtime that anything WWE gets more views for the channel, which would mean more monetary gain, but they don't fucking watch or review it except the PPVs when they do abysmal shit worth talking about or if a match happens to be good, cause they don't want to be subject to how fucking atrocious it is on a weekly basis.
JC critizes stupid and phont shit, regardless of what company it is from.
@Jeff You can read right?I said he shits on AEW more than the WWE I never said he never shits on the WWE.Dude you’re going on Wikipedia for peoples measurements dude all of that is made up make believe people have said in the past don’t go on Wikipedia for someone’s height and weight because nine times out of 10 it’s going to be the shit that they made up for the wrestling characters.
Jim: “Brian you gotta sell a match give me a min and a half”
Brian: “Alright you 4 eyed f*ck”
Lmao he’s been waiting for a long time to cut a promo on Corny
🤣🤣🤣
I'm at autopsy 😂😂😂😂💀
You can tell there a genuine friendship there
I just love how Brian instantly started the Promo and Jim had to stop him, that was fantastic
@Craig Jackson It did sound a lot like his voice when he talks about his dog Harley
They were doing high spots in matches, not high spots INSTEAD OF matches. Well said.
So if you were watching 2 great wrestlers today and the big "highspot" was a hip toss and dropkick combo you would pop. Those wrestlers would get booed out of the arena
@@travissmith6380 you have no clue how the crowd would react, if their psychology throughout the match had been great, then yes the stadium would pop. If it was bad psychology no one would boo they be silent, because they wouldn’t care.
@@travissmith6380 I think a better example of what he means is: Vader does 1 moonsault in a match = good use of a high spot. Vader does 6 moonsaults during a match = kills the spot.
@@travissmith6380 The issue is the lack of restraint nowadays, if all you do is incredible feats of athleticism, then these feats don’t stand out anymore. After the 10th destroyer off the top rope you won’t excite anybody anymore and you won’t get a reaction. And then how do you top that the next time, to get a pop?
@@sonybluraydisk I agree with you. but there has to be some middle ground
The Bucks look like 5th graders? I disagree. I've never seen a 5th grader with a receding hairline.
More like 30 year old eighth graders lol
It's time for Nick Jackson to try Keeps!
does charlie brown count?
@@brad3042 =(
@@Nicholaus13 Cornette hawks it. To be fair, I have no hair either lol.
"It's not the size of the fight in the dog its whether they look like they should be in the fight to begin with"....perfectly articulated & the Pac / Bucks comparison is spot on.
It's like when orange Cassidy is standing in the ring with Pac, it's not believable that Cassidy can actually win
*** Laughs in REY MYSTERIO & AAA- Lucha Libre .
I'm sorry , what happened to all those Jim Crocket guys hes managed, they jobbed in WWE.
AAA is still in business and sells out Arenas with little guys.
@@chibiromano5631 Selling out in arenas 😂
AAA goes after boxing in midnight on saturdays now, because no one gives a shit about them, and most people even in Mexico care more about football and boxing instead of "wrestling".
Their most over guy is Kemonito because of memes, not because anyone is watching their shows 😂😂😂
@@MauFerrer2000 So more people watch Clevland Brown vs Patriots over TripleMania.. gtfoh.
@@chibiromano5631 football meaning soccer you bozo, liga mx is one of the most popular 'soccer' leagues in the world
OH and FYI the last time the Browns faced the Patriots was in 2019 and it was the lowest rated NFL prime time game since 2002... with 21 million viewers lmao
Triplemania would be lucky to get 210,000 viewers, let alone 21,000,000, no one gives a fuck about wrestling you mark
When Sportster showed the picture of Marko Stunt and how he is "athletic" and can "produce good matches", the list became totally shit.
Exactly
@Kwame brown and Jim cornette burner account apparently they hired the wrong Stunt…. Logan is supposedly pretty good.
I was hoping for a Darby defense, but mr tallywacker brings out marko
@Kwame brown and Jim cornette burner account Or Warwick Davis
Pretty sure it was shit the moment the guy started writing it.
The Sportster tomorrow: "5 Things Jim Cornette got right about our list and 5 things he got wrong."
LOL
Brian's promo was going to be gold!!
😭😭😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭🤣😭 RIGHTTT he was about to pop off!
Lmaooooo “i apologize”
I wanted to hear a minute and a half of that.
He should have just kept going and rolled with it 🤣
2 minutes of Corny hating ketchup & eating cheese & being an absolute heathen who literally slathers himself in bacon grease until he can't sleep at night because his stomach is growling so hard
In my opinion, Jim Cornette is the smartest wrestling pschologist. He knows how to do moves and when to do them. He knows how to make an idea work, how to engage the audience. In a different life, he would’ve been the greatest Hollywood director or screenwriter.
I wish more wrestlers and promoters would listen to him, and actually learn something. But the problem is, with wrestling as with the world in general, everybody believe they know everything and are not able to admit that they make mistakes and need advice.
I like how he doesn't critique without providing a better alternative. He definitely knows his stuff.
I've often pictured him as Quentin Tarrintino by mistake while watching his movies.
Giving advice is a very human trait. Unfortunately, taking it isn't.
How many promotions has Cornette worked for throughout his career?
I disagree. His views were great for that time period, but now they are very outdated. It worked in 1980 because there was nothing else to do with your time.
Today nobody wants to see this kind of product anymore, especially in a world with soo many alternatives. There are too many other ways to spend your time, like UA-cam, Netflix, Twitch, Podcasts, Video games etc.. Also with MMA existing, i doubt many people want to watch men in their underwear pretending to fight, when you can see the real thing in MMA.
Wrestling can still be successful today, but not the style of wrestling Jim Cornette would like.
Eddie Guerrero was the best at using comedy in wrestling and still being took serious.
Agreed , Kurt angle was pretty good at it too
Pretty damn good for being just a vanilla midget. Kevin I'm just tall Nash.
Being taken seriously *
Kurt Angle has entered the chat
No everybody...you clearly didn't watch attitude era.....hate to be stereotypical or cliché but The Rock was hilarious, undoubtedly 1....Eddie was great tho, close 2nd no disrespect ! R.I.P. Latino Heat
Why did Brian sound like he's been waiting talk shit on Jim 😂😂😂
He's still frustrated about the Corny Coin and Office conversations.
Ooo I'd bet money he's veen waiting and has more in the chamber to use
“Alright you 4 eyes FUCK”
Probably because Jim cut a fiery promo on Brian Last’s food choices.
Because he has 😂
Jim's rants are my favourite thing about wrestling these days
@Sam Zurick *favourite (our)
@@kylorenkardashian79 spelled different depending on region.
@@1366Erik it's spelled different to save print space because of the great ink shortage of 1915
Find something positive in your life. Cornette is a sociopath.
Fkn love this guy
The Marko Stunt part of the article made me giggle. Yes, size is a big factor in wrestling. If anyone who isn't a hardcore AEW fan walked into a room and saw him on TV they would laugh and walk away. It doesn't matter if they want to believe that or not, that's the reality.
Bro by your logic you’re basically judging people by the way they fucking look just because someone doesn’t look like what you think an athlete or somebody who plays a particular sport or does something doesn’t mean that they can’t do something I’ve met a lot of fighters that if you judge them by they look don’t look like fighters this is Jim Cornett being Jim Cornette
Bro by your logic you're basically saying that Marko Stunt CAN do SOMETHING.
That is not the case and you are just being you.
@@linsenfishy7197 What the hell are you talking about?
Bro by your logic you basically understood what I was saying.
@@flyguy7825 Hey, not everyone can be an athlete let alone a wrestler. You want me to believe some child like Marko Stunt can go toe-to-toe with guys like Brian Cage just by doing his stupid spots? If he want to be a comedic wrestler than it's okay for me, but to be legitimate wrestler? Really makes you think
Brian’s six-word promo talked me into the Garden next Tuesday.
I wonder if we'll get any "four eyed fuck" chants haha
@@-xGenesis That'd be really interesting
I don't think the mark that wrote that article understands that the things he's bringing up are what has driven millions of wrestling fans off.
Anders! Good to see you're still around.
Seems as if he’s more focused on the fans they currently have instead of observing the ones that left
Boom! That's what I've been thinking this whole time.
These people don't want to accept the truth. They would rather close their eyes and cover their ears whilst screaming "KENNY OMEGA IS THE BIGGEST DRAW EVER" over and over again
This Longrod McTallywhacker character sounds like a real indie mark.
He’s writing lists on Jim Cornette opinions on the internet of course he’s an indie mark
The name is legendary though
so convinced that this is a pen name and the guy behind it is some wrestling name
32:19 Brian was about to go OFF!!! 😭😭😭
ahahahah he had that ready.."alright you four eyed f*!k." ahahah he was going ECW Shane Douglas style promo wise.
@@jamaalmoses8821 😭😭😭😭😭😭 YESSS!!! And I would love to have heard it hahaha
High spots have more of an impact when they're used sparingly.
And they know how to execute said move without botching it.
@@markabboud8564
Absolutely
Less is more
@@smigglychalmers
So, how long have you been afraid of using commas, kid?
Quit being a disappointment to your parents, junior.
Go find a job.
@@smigglychalmers
Aw, did I hurt your little feelings?
Good.
Did you notice how I used a comma between "Aw, and did"?
Take notes kid, and soon you'll be using punctuation like a big boy!
You tie Rey Mysterio's both hands behind his back, he would still whoop Marco Stunted Growth's tiny arse.
Bro Rey Mysterio is only like 3 inches taller and weighs maybe 20 to 30 more pounds Rey Mysterio is a tiny man himself Not to mention Rey Mysterio has never ever been in the ring with someone that he has had any type of height or weight advantage he’s always been what you would call the underdog and damn near all of his matches
@Jeff Really dude Wikipedia you do know all of those measurements on Wikipedia or a little how should I put this fake bro I’ve been to shows I’ve seen Rey Mysterio live I about 6 feet and I’m about 171 Rey Mysterio Probably weighs about 150 But that’s not the point my point is the dude has been the underdog pretty much his whole career he has never ever had any type of height or weight advantage on anyone and he is considered a legend and people didn’t laugh at him out of the building my point is is that Marco Stunt is super young and he could have potential to be a big star.
Fun fact Rey is a some what average sized human surrounded by giants (he likely weighs more from conditioning)
@@jedediahcoulbourne1791 Rey Mysterio is 5"2, not average. He is small
@@BLAKDANGER is he really that short? Can I get a reference on that mostly I'm curious if he really is shorter than me
"It's not about the size, it's about the visual and the appereance"
"The more flipping these idiots do, the faker it looks"
Cornette gets it.
The more you have to do in the ring to get over, the harder it's going to be next time
I'm late to the party ,but this made me respect Jim that much more. He kept it honest, and gave out lots of gems. It was damn near a master class on professionalism about the business..
professionalism is a lost art in a lot of professions
In Jim Cornette we trust.
@KING OF THE COMMENT SECTION oh absolutely. If Jim and Brian end then my connection to wrestling will be over
Brian was about to go OFF on Jim in that promo. 😭😭😭
Brian Last sees himself as a babyface so had been waiting to cut a promo on JC for a while
@Boo boo stained Dunn ta dunn HES a food face
Was hyped for Brian cutting a promo on Jim
Cornette is absolutely sharp, on point and just correct with every single detailed explanation here. I wonder how AEW marks wanna counter this
I love AEW and enjoy it a lot. But I'll be stupid if I didn't see the flaws in their booking which there are numerous (biggest one being Cody Rhodes's booking). I agree with a lot of things Cornette says but not everything. His genuine critiques are on point. I just ignore when he reviews stuff based on his biases. e.g Omega, Sasha vs Bianca at Mania, Ethan Page etc.
Probably by whining and crying. They can't handle any criticism. Not counting the fellow who commented before me, his opinion makes sense.
I also don't agree with everything he says, but that's normal, you can't always be on the same page. Also everybody is biased to a certain degree. The good thing about Cornette is that he's always entertaining and rhetorically brilliant whether I agree to the content or not. And in most cases I agree, whether it's wrestling, politics or food.
@@LemoncookieTV Some of the slander can get out of hand sometimes. Especially when it concerns people he's never met or have affected him in his life
I liked Ethan Page a lot Until I saw his twitter.
-Ethan Page played by Julian
Is his handle on Twitter.
Like Cmon does any1 think Undertaker would’ve been as successful if he was Undertaker played by Mark? Of course not, it just helps dismantle any believability
Jim's haters say he's trying to stay relevant and make money of them? Sounds opposite to me.
yep; especially when Dave Meltzer is buddying up to all of the AEW and WWE people.
Jim is naturally relevant to wrestling. He's like a historian of wrestling who you respect because of his expertise on it. His political views and religious views I could do without, but I'll listen to Jim's opinions on wrestling all day
@@ToxicAvengerCleanYourMind Totally agree!
@@ToxicAvengerCleanYourMind in all fairness, even if I were to disagree with 100% of EVERYTHING he said.
...I'd still probably be entertained by how he said it 😂
I recall one person, who mentioned that they voted Republican, saying in the comments one day, that they didn't care for his politics but they'd never let that stop them consuming great content on wrestling history.
It's always refreshing when you see people who don't piss and moan in the comments about something they hate that Jim likes and vice versa.
Sometimes you have to draw a line and if the negatives outweigh the positives for you, go find something that brings you more joy but if the reverse is true, just shrug your shoulders and just pay attention to what you like.
Personally I'm a 'goes to church weekly' guy but if I'd never heard about Harley Race, his love of fire and Hogan fandom, my life would be less complete, lol.
The fact that people damn near consider any non finisher submission a “rest” hold, rather than an ACTUAL WRESTLING MANEUVER!!!! Is ridiculous. Holds and struggles have much more place in a ring than a fucking back flip….
Sometimes, during those "rest spots", they are laying out the rest of the match. Calling a match out in the ring is a lost art..
That crap got going in the late 80s. Concurrent with the "BORING" chants as soon as someone took any hold.
Really has to be salad of three components at right pace, four if including crowd work.
I want a Jim Cornette grandfather clock now. And instead of a bell tolling on the hour, it'll just play different audio clips of him ranting.
Russo rants at 12:00.
"The wrestling business is dead. I can not bring it back. Single handedly. I can not save it. It's too late for that. A conservative effort can't bring it back. Nobody can bring it back. Because it's dead" - Jim Cornette
Too
That entire statement makes me really sad.
@@arnavbhagwat4232 Yeah but a vision to revive it is to make it look realistic and make the casual fan question themselves whether a segment and try to define the network expectations as an outlier.
To make it successful, Vince Russo and Corny should just squash the beef. The sex line regarding Omega should be a thing already as a weekly comedy spot and end the weekly segments with Big Dick Johnson (from the 2006 DX run) doing something in the background.
@@Shawn6751 I don't think that vision will ever come true, because wrestlers these days don't seem to care. If anything, all that's left for the wrestling business to do now is to die out, and just erase it from history as if it never even became a thing.
The article should have been named "What Cornette is right when it comes to WWE bad shit vs What he gets wrong because it's AEW" This was clearly written by a fan who likes to use the phrase "I agree with Jim when he attacks the WWE, but I have to stop listening when he starts talking AEW"
He said that High Spots and small guys don't sell. I'm sorry.. Rey Mysterio, Eddie Gurrero.
Triple AAA is still in business, his old territory is long gone. Does he have receipts proving that big guys and no high spots sells more. This guy is so out of touch with the industry, no wonder hes unemployed.
@@chibiromano5631 I can't tell if this is sarcasm.....As for receipts, the man literally has almost every event he ever appeared in, the gate they got, and the money they made all written down. He's got every receipt you'd want to see, lol
@@tmccane alright, good. Lets compare it to the receipts that AEW pulled off at ALL IN and AAA receipts at the gate.
@@chibiromano5631 Triple A is popular is mexico and has a niche audience in North America at best
@@chibiromano5631 ok....All in and AAA vs Wrestlemania with Brock Lesnar, or Undertaker, or Rock. (I'm not a betting man, but I'd say you might want to fold that hand)...if you need him to go farther, I mean, I'm sure he's got Flair/Steamboat, Andre, Bruno. headlining.....I gotta say.....the numbers dont look to favor your side on this one. Omega just headlined Impact ppv.....did you see that number? This video might have more views by the end of the week The audience during these older days were ten times the small cult following these companies carry today.....and they didnt have social media to help. The problem with using All In as an example, is that the show sold out before one match was announced....they could have let Rhode's dog headline and it would have been sold out.....Not even Dave will challenge yesteryear numbers because while All in needed a ppv to sell out (Dynomite couldnt sell even half their seats prior to the pandemic with the same roster as All In....) vs the old days when guys would do 20/30K at live events with no tv
“A lot of people like hardcore wrestling”. Yep. Czw sure is making top dollar
a lot of juggalos like hardcore wrestling
@@Retardbelial Right. That’s not a ton of people
@@invertedname3099 haha I agree especially considering one of them only counts for about 33 percent of a normal person
@@invertedname3099 I disagree, there's a lot of tonnage in a crowd of those juggalos
@@Retardbelial Makes sense, ICP music and hardcore wrestling both require severe brain damage to enjoy
This video is a main reason why Jim Cornette is one of the greatest wrestling managers of all time. Someone who takes pride in what they do for a living.
You know it’s fake right? If it was real a 125 pound amateur would take anyone in the rock and roll express and put them in a pretzel in maybe 10 seconds. These are not the catch as catch can wrestlers. They are fake 80s wrestlers. They are not a Thesz or a Gotch or a Hodge or a Robinson. The 80’s pro wrestlers are as real as todays pro wrestlers.
This is probably the best video to those who don’t understand what Corny is preaching
Jim has said this many times before. A wrestling match needs to tell a story. A match should have peaks and valleys, moments of lulls and highs. If everything is full stop from bell to bell, there is no build-up. If there is nothing but high spots, where does end? Jump off the top rope? Jump off their partner? Jump off the cage? The high spots are getting more and more dangerous just to get that highlight moment.
Goodwilly needs to go back to porn, or whatever he was doing that wasn't wrestling.
Corny LOVED walter vs dragunov. And he was not the only one. Everybody in the industry was fawning over it BECAUSE THIS IS HOW THE EVOLUTION OF WRESTLING SHOULD BE.
I can't be the only one who wants to hear the rest of Brian's promo on Jim
"Corny hates smaller wrestlers! "
So you're saying he hates Jungle Boy, Ricky Starks, Darby Allin, Brian Pillman jr, PAC, Sammy Guevara, Scorpio Sky, Adam Page, etc.
Those are like all the aew wrestlers he actually likes
How are Adam Page and Brian Pillman Jr small?
@@aki_firebird muscularity, but muscles don't make good wrestlers
He was not overly nice about Orange Cassidy.
He likes pac lol
I don’t always agree with Cornette, but I really enjoy hearing his thoughts. He speaks from his heart and I respect that and appreciate the chance to view things from another perspective.
Maybe its just me you definetly agreed with somethings am tired of comments like this we can have a perspective but nah he is saying what everybody is thinking
The writer keeps talking about fans opinions. What fans? There aren't any left. The ones that still care don't watch because it hurts. So we listen to podcasts.
that's what always eats me up about people saying that Jim is out of touch with what modern fans want. they're talking about a crowd of less than a million people that like this lame indy shit...without realizing how self-defeating that argument is.
Yeah that’s always been my argument people keep saying that wwe doesn’t listen to their fans. But the ones that are left are interested in garbage.
Theyre talking to wwe/aew/indie stans. Not fans. Not anymore.
True for me. I grew up loving wrestling but i don't enjoy it at all anymore. I want to because there is potential but it's always squandered. Why watch something I don't like anymore?
@@SamsarasArt Sadly nowadays it has come to be handpicking material by company.
Imho what is a must-match usually is:
MLW= Jacob Fatu, Hammerstone, Von Erichs, Middleweight division.
NWA = Aldis, Murdoch.
ROH = The Foundation, Pure Wrestling, Lethal, RUSH and Dragon Lee.
Impact (yeah lol) = X Division, Joe Doering.
Wwe = MVP, McIntyre, Reigns w/ Heyman, Zayn and Owens, Cesaro, Rollins, WALTER, NXT's top/upper midcard.
Aew = PAC.
Jim is right on high spots, Mysterio is one of the greatest high flyers, most of his matches were fought on the map, using grapples and holds as well as kicks, his high spot was the 619 which he would use usually once a match, so Jim is right.
I have to disagree with Corny on 1 point he made here; Corny IS NOT the funniest guy in wrestling, Bobby "The Brain" Heenan WAS.
I think Cornette would be ok with that statement.
I suspect that if confronted with this piece of evidence Cornette would relent.
Thay were both great at what they did
Cornette would agree that too but when Bobby Heenan cut a vicious heel promo he would generate nuclear heat which no one in today's wrestling can have
Agreed
Two words - Marko Stunt.
Wrestling is finished.
😂😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀💀
Bro he makes Lio Rush look like Bobby Lashley 😂
I was thinking. Growing up, the smallest guy I seen in a wrestling ring was Koko B Ware. And he was 3 times the size of Stunt. Puts things into perspective
🙏 🙏
They should bill him as Evil Kaneviel's grandkid who has a severe hormone deficiency. It's literally the only thing that's make sense.
Kurt angle was the perfect kind of comedy wrestler in a sense. His character wasn't always a goofball but when it was hid character was genuinely funny, yet even though was technically still green at the time, he knew too always be dead serious in a match
He had a little bit of the Bobby Heenan personality. He could be humorous but insulting at the same time. It was also the combination of the fact that he was a legit badass playing a chickenshit heel. Everything just balanced out.
The big thing is that Kurt Angle acted like he was taking it seriously. Even when he acted goofy, it didn't feel like he was in on the joke. It was funny because he was being humiliated to the crowd who wanted to see the smug prick get what was coming to him. Kurt acting like he believed his shtick is a big part of why it worked. If he just winked and nodded at the camera then it would have sucked.
Rest holds are useful not just for... resting, but as a way to get in close and communicate something a little more elaborate to your opponent.
And you got to have a lull before you have a high spot. Not have a break is like a fireworks show where things go off constantly and no build up
@@Rodshark75 And a small lull after as well. Let the impact sink in before launching back into it.
"Alright you four eyed fk!"
Almost exploded 🤣🤣🤣
The fact that Jim Cornette calls AEW an Outlaw Mudshow works for Me and calling Kenny Olivier (Omega) Twinkle Toes McFingerBang is the cherry on top thus he is always right … 💯
Apparently works for them too, Big Show just used the nickname Twinkle Toes on Dark
@@Ômega.8000 like Jim, says he knows they're listening to him
@Kwame brown and Jim cornette burner account yes, look at the aewbotches account on twitter its there
The fact that Marko Stunt is even in wrestling just shows you how embarrassing wrestling has become
True
To be honest, I don't mind him being a wrestler. He's just a product of his time. But he should be a jobber. He should be a guy winning the 24/7 belt in wwe. He can get wins here and there in an actual match, but he shouldn't be going over 10 minutes with Kenny omega.
OK by your logic guys like Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan who wrestled way way past their prime should’ve been an embarrassing to wrestling years ago
@@flyguy7825 they were still guys that looked like adults and they weren't 5ft tall wrestling other people.
They also had better physiques than Marko.
The backstage role of non-former wrestlers is a hilarious point as the article points out the WWE; but makes no mention that the booker for AEW is someone that has no business booking and fills the same criteria, llolololol
This artwork is great lol. I really want an animated series.
When you take someone's offensive moves you should make people say oh shit that had to hurt
32:15 that Brian Last promo was phenomenal!!
It must be frustrating that the "only" two things Jim is right about are logical booking and believable presentation.
2 of the main things needed for wrestling
Imagine thinking a high spot is just anything off the top rope and then proceeding to tell Jim Cornette where he is right and wrong about wrestling.
Brian Last is the most underrated comedic genius on the planet today
When he immediately moved onto the house lights question… So good.
32:18 😂😂😂 "Alright, you four eyed fuck!" Brain was ready with that one.
On the "public experiences" thing, Al Snow does a good beginner class where he talks about why the closed fist punch is banned in wrestling and so is often used sparingly or for fire-up spots: because most of that crowd don't know what taking a slam, a suplex or a figure four leg lock feels like... but a lot of them know what being punched in the face feels like, so seeing dozens of worked punches that don't leave a mark and don't have any effect would just ruin suspension of disbelief.
I wanted to hear Brian's promo:(
I would love to see a mixture between 60's and early 70's era wrestling with the attitude era...that would be so beast !!
The cover art has me absolutely dead, Travis does it again.
He must be a IIII Horsemen fan instead of a IV Horsemen fan... I know the clock is broken but he botched the Roman numeral.
He must be a IIII Horsemen fan instead of a IV Horsemen fan... I know the clock is broken but he botched the Roman numeral.
Travis is the goat
new to the channel
who is travis ?
is he the other guy talking?
@@stephonwilliams5232 Travis Heckel is the one who does the art for the youtube videos, he always draws some over the top silly stuff which entertains people.
Something Wrestlemania did right is that I think there might have been only 2 or 3 maximum finishers in 3 matches or something, everything else was 1 finisher and it was over, it was a breath of fresh air knowing it's not another 2.9 counts because the first 2 finishers don't matter anymore
I was against scripted promos until I saw what Jon Moxley was capable of when he was unscripted and I realized he desperately needed a promo writer.
Same goes for jericho's "creative freedom". No wonder why the evil empire wouldnt give him free rein.
The way Brian goes all in with "Alright you four-eyed fuck" is hilarious.
Absolutely brilliant
Can tell he's been cutting inner monologue promos during some of Cornette's rants
The only thing Cornette has ever been wrong about is Asuka. She is phantasmo. Other than that he is absolutely right about everything. #pissonRussosGravePPV
He pisses about io shirai also too much ,he bashes miz saying does nothing but he has given so many great promos
"Alright you four-eyed fuck!" Brian 😆
"Well thank you, Mr. Tallywhacker"
Popped so hard. Lol.
Jim: *calmly explains the importance of a non-scripted promo to his audience and co-host*
His co-host: “ALRIGHT YOU FOUR-EYED FUCK!”
This was a very moving video this week , I enjoyed the pictures, stories and the thought of simpler times!
Tony Khan and Dave Meltzer definitely send questions in 😂
Tony is Charlie from Starksville 😂
@32:10
"All right, you four-eyed fuck!"
"Wait, I didn't mean really do it. I was just meaning as an example"
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I wanted to hear the whole promo Brian was gonna cut on Jim....
"Alright you four-eyed fuck!" I choked on my coffee laughing...
Is this one of those “listicles” that you have to click on “next slide” so you get an ad (or three)between each number on list (which is also covered in ads)? Because from the titles of the articles it sounds like one of those trash websites.
The Clock says “Rest in a hold and turn down the arena lights down.”
I almost choked on my water when Brian said "alright you four eye'd fuck"
jim cornette is not out of touch, hes just a true real old school wrestling fan.
debatable
@The Destroyer BHB no he is out of touch in some aspects
Jim is totally right about high spots, small wrestlers, and rest holds.
He has substance to his points, but it's not like there is answer there. Promotions need to stay on tv, and audiences like jacked roid addicts, but they're not going to hold audience using the pace of the 1980's matches, because 1980's crowds thought pro wrestling is real...They even have pejorative name for customers...marks...That's not healthy business philosophy to deceive...and it's not needed because enough audience respects athleticism, if you don't alienate them...but there's civil war in the industry because it's art, NOT science...In story telling
I'd love to see a decent journalist try to do a serious critique about what Jim gets wrong. This numpty is clearly a fan of the indie 'anyone can do anything and every match needs everything' style, but I think you could actually have a decent discussion about say:
-Is Jim too dismissive of women's wrestling?
-Is his ideas about gimmicks stuck in the past?
-Does he get ANYTHING wrong about psychology?
While I don't think you can present wrestlers in the way they used to, what is fundamental to wrestling (the idea that it needs to look violent while hiding that it is not as bad as it looks) is so obvious, but you still get all these stupid gimmick matches, and obviously orchestrated spots that destroy suspension of disbelief
are there any wrestling journalists out there that aren't marks for Meltzer? too many people take his opinion as gospel (*cough* Conrad), so i think a proper critique would need to come from someone who has actually wrestled and is from Jim's era / someone who he respects. the whole "jim is a cuck / shock jock" dismissal from modern wrestlers/fans is a weak cop-out to avoid critical analysis of modern pro wrestling.
Goddamn writer of that piece is the markest of marks.
Most likely an aew stan/puro hipster
Brian was really about to drop the best promo in years.
“Thank you Mr. Tallywhacker” 😂😂😂
"Thank you, Mr. Tallywhacker"
I'm dying. 😂💀
How they both destroy this article is literally why I left the AEW official fan site because every response and opinion where in the vain of this article; most responses and so called opinions I got from the most fanatic of fans there are as baseless, non sensical, no proof or elaboration to any statement they make (I literally think they don't know the difference between an opinion and a statement) and really makes you question if they fully grasp what they are saying or have actually watch wrestling.
Most of them are really ignorant about wrestling, which is disheartening tbqh considering THESE are the "modern wrestling fans" the article is talking about.
@@renatocontrerasflores294 I feel like they haven’t watch wrestling at all … like I have even asked them what wrestling is to them or to elaborate on their points… the answers vary from no answer to it is impossible to define to insults.
I’d love to see Jim start a new company in 2023. I know he probably wants to get away from the business. But I would love for him to take complete booking control of a company. Would definitely lure guys like FTR over and they would actually be used properly.
It's important to realize that marks live in their own little universe that is completely detached from the rest of society. They will like pretty much anything that even vaguely resembles wrestling because so much of their identity and lifestyle is built around wrestling. For people like that whose favorite hobby is wrestling, who go to shows and buy merch and are part of the iwc, not having wrestling to watch is unacceptable. Because of that they have essentially no standards and perceive wrestling in a way different from everyone else. It's like a really hardcore fan of a band that will love whatever they put out no matter how shitty it is and no matter how much everyone else hates it.
These marks don't understand how utterly ridiculous modern wrestling looks to everyone else. There has always been some amount of silliness in wrestling but now it's just cringe-worthy and embarrassing to the point that a lot of people would be ashamed to admit they are wrestling fans to strangers. Flippy bullshit wrestling just looks stupid and so fake that you can't suspend disbelief. It's like the really super corny martial arts fights in some Hong Kong movies vs good Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan films. You know that Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan aren't really fighting the guys in the movie but it looks believable enough to still be entertaining.
The other thing these marks need to understand is that the stuff they consider funny in wrestling is generally speaking, extremely unfunny to everyone that isn't a part of their universe. Most people don't actually laugh at stupid shit like pockets and lego matches. It's lame and unfunny. Try showing it to someone who isn't a Mark and see if they laugh. I'm not against comedy in wrestling, but what's happening in AEW and WWE isn't even comedy, it is just goofy trash for children and hardcore marks.
Brian letting out his inner frustration with corny “listen up you four eyed fuck” 😂
The things that destroyed modern wrestling is wrestlers not sticking to kayfabe and addressing them as performance artist, spilling out all BTS secrets and having scripted promos. Shit man attitude era was so awesome and now i can't even watch straight for 5 mins.
On spot.Everything is made so obvious nowadays that storytelling is plain dead.
AE was overrated.
Ruthless>
So true!!! Wrestlers breaking kayfabe on social media has killed the business!!!!
@@Jefso1404 sure was,had over the top stuff to,like Al Snow wrestling a mannequin head & in storylines with Big Bossman kidnapping his chihuahua making him eat the dog.
Mark Henry & Mae Young giving birth to a hand.
"ALL RIGHT YOU FOUR EYED FUCK!" I laughed so hard
Brian's been waiting to cut that promo.
what I learned from this: Jim knows Mascarita Sagrada.
I notice what Jim is right about are criticisms of WWE and what he’s wrong about are criticisms of AEW. How convenient 🤷♂️
It’s almost as if the guy writing the list is a aew fanboy
32:18
Lol, tell us how you really feel 🤣
The ONLY thing that Jim Cornette seems to be consistantly unfair about I would say is that he completely dismisses Japanese women wrestlers as little cheerleaders but there are so many great female Japanese wrestlers.
Everything else he pretty much hits the nail on the head.
I understand where he's coming from though, they really don't try too hard to differentiate themselves. Similar clothes, same move set. The only standout was the female Freddie Mercury and that was just ridiculous.
It would be the same for any country/sex, it's a business where you need to stand out. If nxt got 10 British guys Pete dunns height, doing the same moves, dressing similarly you'd ask what is going on. People tuning in for the first time would think it was a special interest show from the UK not an American wrestling promotion.
@@garyslackjaw I don't think so at all, not in the slightest. Just to pick 3 of the more high profile names, Asuka and Io Shirai and Hikaru Shida - they all have completely different clothes, completely different characters, completely different hair styles, they look and also work very differently to each other.
Thank Emi Sakura, and especially Twinkletoes McFingerbang and his Hentai fetishization of Riho, Maki Itoh, and Yuka Sakazaki.
"ALRIGHT YOU FOUR EYED FUCK!"
This had me laughing to myself
32:10
I love how Brian just have a ready promo against Jim Cornette
20:36
So basically when guys bite Nigel McGuinness' rebound lariato?
To this day i still dont understand why Jim calls Asuka a high spot wrestler 🤷, cause she isnt.
Yeah I think Riho is killing Jim's ability to be fair to asian women wrestlers.
@@supergluehotty actually that's Jim's in built prejudice to a) women's wrestling and b)anything coming from a country that isn't USA
@Kwame brown and Jim cornette burner account ehhh
@Kwame brown and Jim cornette burner account I think that's more on deeb than riho. The first match I saw with riho yuka Nagasaki and nyla Rose was bad, and her greeness shows even against Nagasaki.
Jim is mostly a good person.
But he is backwards when it comes to non-Americans and women.
At 6:11 lol the way he says rest hold 😆
Everything he said is true. He's actually quite good at arguing his points on this one.
It's like his comments on the high spots, it's the impact each move has, not whether or not you can string so many together in a row.
When AEW does stuff like that it undermines their product. It looks more like a scripted cheerleading routine than a wrestling match. If those moves were spread out and had an impact, if they were actually sold, I bet Jim wouldn't mind.
All of his arguments are grounded in one basic argument. Believability. Everyone sitting at home knows that the outcomes are predetermined. Even when I was a little kid I knew. My dad tried to hide it but I told him it was "fake" (kid me).
We all know but the point is we want to suspend our disbelief. How can I do that during a Bucks match where they're doing a cheerleading routine? Or a match where Marco Stunt wins against an actual wrestler?
I normally don't comment on these videos but imo Jim killed it here. I don't always agree with Jim but he nailed it. Pretty damn good for an on the fly take too imo.
I had heard of a couple of occasions where the wrestlers would spend some time in a "rest hold" because they were watching a fan fight that broke out 😀
I really want to hear the rest of Brian's promo lol
he went right at cornette's defect
“Alright you 4 eyed fuck” LMFAOOOOO 😂😂