Joe: so I like pizza, do you like pizza. Neil: pizza is a state of mind, it’s a form of being, having a pizza is just a way of making yourself be in that state of mind. You ever heard the saying you are what you eat? Well when you eat pizza, it breaks down and becomes you. You are a state of pizza. Bonus points if you read that in Neils voice
@@richardeldridge8335 There's facts, objective value, and evidence and those are ALWAYS more important than feelings, beliefs, and opinions. A new better telescope is of objective value to the entire world, the maintaining of a "sacred site" is of subjective value to a tiny group of people. It's obvious that one of those options is far superior, both practically and ethically, to the other.
@@Archaneus They're important to you, not to them. Nobody has any obligation to put the same value on something that you do. That being said, this is not a science issue. It's a commerce issue. They can build the telescope somewhere else. They can even put it in orbit. But they want to put it in Hawaii.
@@ominous-omnipresent-they he's pasionate but he also loves hearing himself for hours without anyone contributing to it. He hates conversations, he love to monolog
This notion that Rogan "always interrupts his guests" is blown out of proportion. Clearly from people who only watch a handful of episodes. I've been listening since Eddie Bravo had long hair. Of course in the thousands of hours he's talked he's interrupted people now and then, then again, so have all of us. But for the most part he prefers to simply shoot questions and let his guests ramble on. This is specially true when he likes the guest or simply find them interesting.
As a US Marine, I trained at the Pahakuloa Training Area in the mountains of the Big Island. The nights were the most spectacular I have ever seen, and we weren't as high as the telescopes.
Listening to this podcast, I can't help but imagine what it would be like to have Carl Sagan on and what a contrast it would be for that very reason; calm, collected, humble, respectful to Joe's questions and/or lack of knowledge, actually thinking before answering, being clear and concise with his answers. NDT has become the complete opposite of that and I think it's due to his fame, the brand of his name and the inflation of his ego. This podcast was rather frustrating.
Fairwarning 007 Really..? I enjoyed listening to this conversation. They’re where both excited at times but there’s nothing wrong with that. Tyson in general brings interesting facts and great point of view to the table and he was the guest here.
@@antonihardonk8970 Neil does bring interesting facts and topics to the table, I'm not disputing that. However, he was a little overbearing this time around to say the least, in my opinion and many others opinion as well; talking over Joe, interrupting him numerous times and getting somewhat defensive when Joe questioned him on gravity. You can clearly see Joe was getting frustrated with him everytime he would get interrupted. But that's fine if you enjoyed it though. There were certainly parts I enjoyed. Idk, maybe Neil had too much coffee or smoked too much before the podcast.
Did any of you actually WATCH the podcast?! Joe is visibly frustrated with how much neil interrupts him. Its embarrassing, and if you wanna preserve your memory of NDS you should probably skip it.
Don't ever, for any reason, do anything to anyone for any reason ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who, or who you are with, or where you are going, or where you've been... ever, for any reason whatsoever... Neil deGrasse (Michael Scott)
When you host a podcast it's your job to try and get the guest to talk. No matter how Joe feels personally about being cut off. He's probably really happy with how engaged he got his guest to be. I am however happy to see people waking up to the fact that NDT has always been a cunt. We're all children who love to learn about space. And he's been a figure who could deliver that to us. On his shows he normally keeps it pretty chill. Probably because he's trying to do right by his late mentor. However, his actual personality has always been shitty and contradictory, and holier than thou. Granted he would beat me in a math a thon. And he knows the names of more stars than I do. But he also gets into other people's face about economics, art, religion, culture, philosophy, literature. And he brings the same "I am the smart person" attitude to all those topics even when he clearly has no clue what he's talking about. He's this weird mix of actually smart about one thing. Ignorant about a lot more. But not smart enough to realise that because of how much fame we've given him. He's over rater and I'm glad people are figuring it out.
@@Siberial I couldnt have put it better myself. He's smart thats for sure. A genius? no not exactly. He's intelligent in his own field, which btw he is a lot more a educator than a researcher, he memorize more than he discover, but that aside, in a lot of other fields such as social, art..etc he can be pretty dumb.
Because Joe is an intellectual neanderthal. Tyson's principle of "value" is correct, but Joe simply cannot comprehend them. We value driving, so we put up with 36K deaths/yr. We value the practice of medicine-250K malpractice deaths per year. If we valued climbing Everest enough, we'd find "out of the box" solutions to remove the bodies/trash. It's not about money, these climbers are filthy rich. Like so many other apes, he cannot fathom solutions, it's just "we can't". Many Americans DON'T value individual freedom/liberty because they take it for granted. Mass shootings could have an "out of the box" solution, but NO ONE is open to it., and is why they have no issues with banning firearms.
This is exactly what is being done. In 2017 the State of Hawaii Board of Land and Natural Resources revised the telescope's build permit with a series of conditions, including the removal of 3 telescopes from Mauna Kea as well as asserting that TMT will be the last telescope built there.
The other telescopes aren’t that big and don’t take up a lot of space. We’re talking about a thirty meter telescope (TMT) and the amount of land that it’ll need to move for the structure is over 5 acres. That’s almost 4 football fields in size.
@@SimpleTanks The TMT will not pollute the aquifer system, watershed or local water supply. That's a myth. The TMT is not drilling into the aquifer system or tapping into Lake Waiau. It's a cloosed loop system where all waste drains into a double hulles waste container; all waste is transported off the mountain for offsite processing and treatment. The observatory is being built on top of a specific lava rock plain to protect the aquifer system. Also, based on geochemistry, if you were to dump a gallon of oil on the summit, it would take 2,000 - 5,000 years for the contaminants to reach the water table and drinking supply. Why? TMT is about 13,600 ft above sea level in an alpine desert ecosystem that gets very little precipitation AND there are thousand of feet of rock between it and the watershed. In addition, modern telescopes have gotten rid of many hazardous and toxic chemicals from their design. So, no, the TMT is not a threat to the watershed.
Me: Mr. Tyson, so ima pass this class with a B right? Neil: If you perceive yourself as only B person in this society, then you are feeding your own Self Fulfilling Prophecy of your limits and wont push the boundaries of your thinking. Me: Coo so ima pass with a B
Even though you're joking, that attitude is actually real and very common in America. Our youth do not value education and they dont wish to do their best. Mediocrity is acceptable now because everyones a winner
I don't really agree at all since I believe it was a misrepresentation of statistical data, and Neil being a scientist trying to create a narrative with ignoring some information and including others was really astounding to me because I believe scientists have an obligation not to change the data to fit their narrative. There was also a few other reasons, though that was definitely the biggest one for me.
The protest happens because the natives are trying to let people know that this land was taken illegally after being recognized as an independent country by our past kings. It’s like how Crimea was annexed by Russia. Hawaii was annexed. Not only was the land taken from us but it’s getting hard for us to survive on our own land. Just putting it out there. JRE is still my favorite podcast!!!!!! I fckn love JRE!!!!
There's no comparison between Hawai'i and Crimea. After 127 years, there hasn't been a single U.S. or international court decision that has ruled that Hawai'i was 'illegally' annexed. The independence activists (secessionists) done even have a REAL case. It's all wishful thinking. Hawai'i had requested protectorate status on three different occasions: Great Britain (King Kamehameha, 1800s), United States (King Kamehameha III, 1851), and Japan (King Kalākaua). Hawai'i had requested annexation by the United States on three different occasions: King Kamehameha III (1854), Provisional Government (1893), and Republic of Hawaii (1898). The Republic of Hawaii requested annexation and the United States accepted the offer. Hawaii's Legislature unanimously accepted, approved and followed the terms of annexation. The U.S. annexed Hawai'i with the Newlands Resolution. It was ratified with a TWO THIRDS majority by BOTH the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, which is stronger approval than the requirements of even a treaty.
@@hoku8089 Well I could be wrong . I have heard there was a vote. I also heard the protests where because people who lost their homes weren't paid as they should of been. That was a long time ago . The Natives should have no say in what is done with US land . It isnt theirs anymore and hasnt been for a long time . They are not entitled to anything any other citizen isnt. The paperwork has gone through. It was approved . Time to move on .
Neil Tyson and Jeremy Clarkson need to talk about cars and space and see who lowers their voice more out of sheer excitement. Neil will say uuuunnnnivers ! And Jeremy will say jaagggggggg. And so fourth .
@John Edward you need a brain scan, if youre going to label people just because they speak their minds, then you already lost... keep on labeling you cry baby.
@John Edward we're tired of cancel culture and look at what ya'll tried to dave chappelle yous tried to cancel him and that shit failed so fuck you PC, cancel culture and sensitive people out there 😂😂
Cant think of name Yeah why can’t you? You can rebuild that building not sure you can rebuild a geological site. Earth took millions of years to form one and the other was built by hairless apes!
@@MasteIsIllmatic A historical building has ownership at high value being fragile and is painstakingly built, is in a generally populated area that can be policed, are almost always straight vertical and are supseptable to losing tiles bricks and other falling debris off in areas that are not meant to be pulled. A sturdy rock that hasn't budged in a few million years thats in a mostly unpopulated place shouldn't be trespassed and isn't even enforceable to a person climbing. Nobody's going to shut down the grand canyon, a far better comparison I must say, because a couple climbers trashed the place and thats a natural wonder of the world.
@@cantthinkofnameyeah7249 Smart guy. once humans get their hands on it. They will destroy it. They can and will blow a hole through it and create a tunnel. They will build all types of shit on it if they get a chance. Are you really going to act like we haven't changed the landscape of the earth before? smh
Screw Everest. At that point might as well build it on the moon. No atmosphere for better images and no one to complain when you build a 100 meter reflector telescope.
@@ExtremeTG outrageous allegation, absolutely racist to your core. He might identify as a slim but not anorexic but still curvey Chinese women and your up in here accusing him of all sorts of Nastiness! HOW DARE YOU!!
I love how good speakers let sentences breath. Also appreciate he just wants them to think a bit further outside of their box and consider that maybe we are on that same path but coming from a different direction. Not to say they are wrong but to think maybe we are both right.
TMT & Mauna Kea have become a proxy war for the larger conflict over native Hawaiian entitlements including sovereignty. Reminds me of the occupation of Alcatraz from '69 to '71. I suspect that resolving the TMT question will be necessary, but insufficient for the activists.
I agree completely, a lot of people are unaware of how important it is for indigenous people to have sovereignty. I personally want indigenous people to run environmental politics because they hsve the most respect and care for nature.
JAS PDX definitely not a proxy war. The mountain has been sacred to my people for millennia. They want to dig a hole in it the size of an nfl stadium at the height of 180 feet tallest structure on our island. That’s illegal by all our current rules both size and the fact it’s in a conservation zone. Now is that the only thing the state has done against Hawaiians of course not so damn right we’re pissed.
Entitlement? Really fuck you and your bloodline you fuck our people were illegally overthrown in a way we had no understanding of out land was stripped from us because we were a peaceful people who didnt believe in money, our queen was kidnapped and land stolen. You are the one who feels entitled to our land
I get the benefits of the telescope being built but I agree with the idea of letting the natives decide if the telescope should be built after being informed about the proper information. There needs to be respect shown for their culture and land
If I was a native, I would not want to hear the argument of any non native. Trusting non-natives in any capacity has never turned out well so I would vote solely based on native information.
They have alternative sites for the telescope. They may not be quite as good, but they are acceptable - that's why they were chosen as alternative sites (Canary Islands - 1st alt). Hawaiians don't have an option of choosing or building a new sacred site. The natives have been told each time that this will be the last observatory (13 now I think). Then the scientists keep coming back and saying they need one more. Now the natives are finally saying enough is enough. The design for TMT is something like a huge 18 story building the size of a sports arena/stadium. Mauna Kea to Hawaiians is like the Vatican to Catholics. Would the Catholics let the scientists build in the Vatican?
#ndt and his arrogantly over inflated ego constantly contributing on subjects he has no idea about is becoming as clear to #jre as it has to the rest of us
Why is it assumed that a telescope is a bad thing for sacred ground? Stone observatories were always built in sacred places. Why should it be different with modern scopes?
Honza Lajksner all the other telescopes were protested against, this one is pretty much the straw that broke the camels back plus Hawaiians have lost land over and over
This is a huge structure. 5 floors. I don't think the telescope is the issues but the complex that comes with it It would completely alter the landscape.
Neil seems really tired or irritated. I hope he is doing ok and not getting worn down by his responsibility to spread knowledge and not getting worn down by the current culture of outrage at facts. Keep your head up Neil we do appreciate your time.
I can relate to what Joe said about a dark sky. I live in Australia, we still have a lot of dark skies away from the big cities. When I met my current partner about 20yrs ago we went for a weekend away in the bush. Around midnight I noticed there was no moon so I talked her into taking a half hour drive away from the small town motel to a picnic ground in the middle of nowhere. I turned off the car lights and we talked in pitch black for about 15 minutes to acclimatise our eyes before we got out of the car and looked up. After the initial "WOW!" and "OMG!" she choked up and said "I'm 40 years old and I never knew this was here".
I'm sure we can have both, knucklehead. Edit: For the record, If they build it, cool, if they don't cool... This surely can't be the only spot on earth suitable for a telescope.
DGT can be an annoying, arrogant, douchebag, but by god he can be inspirational. His calmness, his convictions, his love for what he does and eloquence in this video brought tears to my eyes.
The reason mountain tops are sacred to begin with is because people would go to the top of them, look up, and wonder "wtf is with all this?". Not much has changed in that respect.
Hawaiians don't need those fucking mountains, their religion don't exist. Get the fuck over it you primitive island fucks. We're trying to advance human knowledge, fuck your traditions and culture in the face of that.
@@ambermasso1226 No. Fuck those 'sacred' mountains. I live on planet earth too, do I get to claim the mountains my ancestors lived by and stop anyone from doing business there??
I climbed Ularu back when I was 12.... don’t think I’d do it again knowing what it means to the Aboriginal people now. At the time I saw it as something natural and I climbed it with respect and admiration. It is a special place. Sorry if I interrupted anyone in the comments section 😎
brad the earthling Let's imagine there's a big rock in Germany and some of the people that can trace their lineage to that region for a very long time have some spiritual beliefs about the bloody big rock , they believe people shouldn't climb it because it goes against their beliefs, now let's say there's a group of people born in Germany but their ancestors lived elsewhere some from Asia and some from Africa and they'd like to climb the bloody big rock , should they respect the beliefs ?
Aron Lane I see your point... but even Stone Henge is roped off now... different circumstances but many people tend to be assholes. sometimes it’s just important to act like less of an asshole. That’s it. If that means taking breathtaking photos from the ground instead of climbing it, that’s something I can handle. Others won’t, that’s up to them. Go team asshole. There are other places near by Ularu that are better “climbs” anyway. I’d love to travel to Germany one day by the way 😎👍 Cheers.
Tyson: "by the way wanna know how islands form" Rogan (giving absolutely zero fuvks) "🙄sure" Tyson: "blah blah" Rogan: "so anyway, the natives hate ya guts"
I didnt watch the entire podcast. Did Neil smoke or is he just trying suuuper hard not to word his statement in a way that will upset ANYONE. Coulda been either.
What's happening is and there's a reason Neil is keeping joe quiet is this. The Native Hawains are horribly horribly racist. I'm not joking. Ask anyone who has been to hawaii or been out there for a while, native hawaiins hate your ass. They tend to be poor and live off tourist money and scraps. So any time they can hustle non natives for cash they do it. The telescope is just them doing that. Everyone knows it's going to be built, no one is offended, they just want more money. It's really not that complex but no one can just come out and say it because the natives would flip out for someone calling them out on their shit. That's all it is, some natives making up some magic bullshit history trying to get cash from dumb guilty white people.
A F why do you keep saying that in every comment. It’s over generalizing and diminishes the argument to simple pettiness. Iv never met any of these natives and you can bet I would never walk into their native land and willingly think of them as purely racist and greedy people. That’s like if a Muslim in Pakistan told another that every white person in the US hates them. Or if a white person said every black persimmon the south side of town is just stupid and only wants to rob you. That kind of over generalizing has been used for all of human history and more likely than not always leads to some stupid conflict because people are to lazy to see the nuance in a culture. I know it’s super difficult to detach the people from a POSSIBLE observation of a certain behavioral trend. It just becasue Iv seen a bunch of white people be racist on the internet and at times in person, doesn’t mean that every white person innately has this prejudice mindset. Far from it. Slight prejudice? Sure but everyone has that, but people innocent people get killed all the time because some nutjob thinks over generalizing an entire group of people is a productive way to think. Shooting in El Paso Texas? You can bet that guy had over generalized the Hispanic culture and thought killing innocent members of this culture was a good idea. Everytime a police officer knowingly targets a young African American male despite not evidence of any wrong doing? Over generalizing the African American community as criminals by default. Every time a hear a black peer call a white person racist because that white person happened to say the n word in a song? Over generalizing white people as racists by default. Now I’m not completely discounting the actual substance of your argument. I don’t doubt the natives are in some way prejudice against any foreigners and there’s always someone in a community wanting money, but the way you presented it is not only a dangerous mindset to have, but it’s also just illogical by default. There’s a reason guilty by association isn’t allowed in our courts. It’s because it’s dumb and a lazy thing to do. Bring me some sources that support your claim. Possibly a few anecdotal pieces though that’s far from reason enough to completely agree. In short. Quit saying this shit.
@@neondiddle2039 I'm not reading that shit. Why would think I'm reading all that shit? Are you that stupid you'd think I'd read all that insane shit? Listen, I lived there for years, that's just how it is. Listen to the Lars hamilton/gabriella reece interviews. Everyone talks about it but don't want to say it out right. Native Hawaiins are racist as fuck and will hustle any non native hawaiin for every penny they can. If you aren't a native hawaiian on certain Islands they will kill you for coming to the island without permission which is never given and, bury your ass and you'll never be found. It's not like the States on the continent. It's hawaii, fucking idiot.
@@AF-sb3jk It isn't bad in the tourist areas. But if you go to areas where there are pretty much only locals (places towards the end of the road to Hana) and you're white, you get called Howlie and can very easily get the shit beaten out of you. Like something that wouldn't be considered rude or a 'slip-up' anywhere else could easily get a few big dudes on your ass. Hawaii is one of my favorite places, but don't go outside of the tourist areas and think you're just someplace in the US. Treat it like you're a respectful visitor leaving it nicer than when you left and you'll be fine. If you think you're tough, you'll have some big mother fuckers to show you otherwise.
I feel like the precession of how we go to things changes how we view them. it’s ritualistic when the night comes we go to bed usually and the day is done, every Sunday we go to church. the theater is empty till the show begins. people transiting around the mountain all the time removes the precession it loses the feeling of sacredness.the connection to it doesn’t feel relative to anything we come and go as if it’s any other place
That was a good answer. But my thing is look at what farmers are doing to the rainforest. Ppl are fearful that if they give their land up or share it , it wouldnt be respected.
@tubagoo dom It is not just cattle ranchers. Palm oil and other grains have been planted there for decades and are a main source of deforestation. You just do not hear about that because the current war on meat and you wouldnt want to piss off monsanto.
@@tylerh629 we kicked Monsanto out like 10 years ago. Their presence here is minimal. And we have many local cattle farmers. What's the point of us producing beef for people in the mainland. Not sure what era you guys are living in lol.
6:23 "The discovery of astrophysics bring you closer to it" *closes eyes* His internal monologue: "jesus I don't know where it comes from sometimes, I'm just this profound insightful being of science who spills out pure gold" *Farts* "my world that smells delicious"
Me: hey mr astrophysicist, would ya like a new big ass telescope?? Astrophysicist: does a bear shit in the woods and wipe his ass with a bunny???........ 😳 yes, I mean yes
Joe : welcome to my podcast
Neil De Boss Tyson: no welcome to mine
Tyson is smart asf but still lacks people skills lol
Sammy G. That’s true with just about all extremely curious and intelligent people it’s annoying but hey at least he knows his stuff.
The Cortege What have you contributed to society so far?
@The Cortege you give a fuck enough to write all that about someone you don't know
The Cortege hope she sees this bro
Joe: so I like pizza, do you like pizza.
Neil: pizza is a state of mind, it’s a form of being, having a pizza is just a way of making yourself be in that state of mind. You ever heard the saying you are what you eat? Well when you eat pizza, it breaks down and becomes you. You are a state of pizza. Bonus points if you read that in Neils voice
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Bruh, that sounds like something Neil would say.lol
I feel like I'm back in Intro to Philosophy.
My favorite comment
Joe can you pass me that slice rogen
When you can’t decide between a scientific or cultural victory in Civ.
ALWAYS shoot for the science victory. In Civ and in real life.
@@Archaneus The protesters don't share your values. What you want is not more important than what they want, and vice versa.
@@richardeldridge8335 There's facts, objective value, and evidence and those are ALWAYS more important than feelings, beliefs, and opinions. A new better telescope is of objective value to the entire world, the maintaining of a "sacred site" is of subjective value to a tiny group of people. It's obvious that one of those options is far superior, both practically and ethically, to the other.
@@Archaneus They're important to you, not to them. Nobody has any obligation to put the same value on something that you do. That being said, this is not a science issue. It's a commerce issue. They can build the telescope somewhere else. They can even put it in orbit. But they want to put it in Hawaii.
@@richardeldridge8335 likewise, no one has an obligation to hear us out, myself included
Interview length: 3 hours. Time Tyson spent talking: 2 hours 57 mins. Dramatic pauses: 2 minutes. Joe: 1 minute.
The man is passionate.
@Sebastian Thor Wait. Claptrap is awesome!
@@ominous-omnipresent-they nnnnooo but he's not worse than claptrap either.
Now you know why NDT has this talkshow where he invites people to ask him questions.
@@ominous-omnipresent-they he's pasionate but he also loves hearing himself for hours without anyone contributing to it. He hates conversations, he love to monolog
"What do you think of the protests?"
Tyson - "Well, let me start with the history of the astronomy and telescopes."
W
He always gives a history or fundamentals lesson. Love this guy.
Lol his whole entire argument went over your head 😂🤦🏽♂️
"it was a nice summer evening in ancient Greece"
@@tylerdurden6917 no
It went over your head
Lmao Joe finally knows how it feels to get interrupted
Bleet Headass omg I thought it was just me!! He is interrupting like constantly...
When Neil deGrasse Tyson speaks, everybody listens.
This notion that Rogan "always interrupts his guests" is blown out of proportion. Clearly from people who only watch a handful of episodes.
I've been listening since Eddie Bravo had long hair. Of course in the thousands of hours he's talked he's interrupted people now and then, then again, so have all of us. But for the most part he prefers to simply shoot questions and let his guests ramble on. This is specially true when he likes the guest or simply find them interesting.
Bleet Headass well he is mike Tyson brother he’s an alpha
Watch the Alex Jones interview then
Joe:"Let me be the opposing view"
Neil: Interrupts immediately
Stop it. Joe continues to interrupts with silly questions trying to sound intelligent.
As a US Marine, I trained at the Pahakuloa Training Area in the mountains of the Big Island. The nights were the most spectacular I have ever seen, and we weren't as high as the telescopes.
It’s spelled Pohakuloa.
@@JamminWithKapu Thank you.
Joe Rogan *cuts off guests*
Roe Jogan *gets cut off by deGrasse*
Edgy. :P
I thought joe was being rude when they were talking about gravity.
Listening is a highly undervalued skill.
Dr. Ben Kim you said it bro
Had to stop halfway. So hard to listen to constant bleeting and interrupting. Wow.
Listening to this podcast, I can't help but imagine what it would be like to have Carl Sagan on and what a contrast it would be for that very reason; calm, collected, humble, respectful to Joe's questions and/or lack of knowledge, actually thinking before answering, being clear and concise with his answers. NDT has become the complete opposite of that and I think it's due to his fame, the brand of his name and the inflation of his ego. This podcast was rather frustrating.
Fairwarning 007 Really..? I enjoyed listening to this conversation. They’re where both excited at times but there’s nothing wrong with that.
Tyson in general brings interesting facts and great point of view to the table and he was the guest here.
@@antonihardonk8970 Neil does bring interesting facts and topics to the table, I'm not disputing that. However, he was a little overbearing this time around to say the least, in my opinion and many others opinion as well; talking over Joe, interrupting him numerous times and getting somewhat defensive when Joe questioned him on gravity. You can clearly see Joe was getting frustrated with him everytime he would get interrupted. But that's fine if you enjoyed it though. There were certainly parts I enjoyed. Idk, maybe Neil had too much coffee or smoked too much before the podcast.
Joe looks like either regrets smoking before this interview.... or lamenting that he didn't smoke enough.
I was just wondering how would it be if Neil smoked a joint of weed during the podcast
Looks like hes trying not to be offended by all the constant interruptions
Didn’t smoke nearly enough
Jason Momoa Vs Neil DeGrasse Tyson UFC 250
Neil would whoop his ass
k
Tyson just needs a microphone, hell talk mamoa into a TKO.
Momoa has age on his side but Tyson has a wrestling background.
Tobirama Senju Definitely, people who hate on Neil are just mad that he makes sense
I'm having an anxiety attack everytime Joe tries to get a word in edgewise
I know. Joe just stfu, know your place.
😂👍
Did any of you actually WATCH the podcast?! Joe is visibly frustrated with how much neil interrupts him. Its embarrassing, and if you wanna preserve your memory of NDS you should probably skip it.
This happens because Neil has been on before and now knows Joes ticks!lol #DMT #NDT #NotTheSameThing #KnowYourPlace
@J D yeah he does its nice seeing him get it back sometimes lol
Lol Joe getting hella pissed when he gets interrupted and talked over
yet he does it over and over to all his guests
Yeah that's how Bert feels every single "Sober October Crew" podcast
@@AndreySomov1 fuck Burnt Chrysler
Idk what you mean, it's just a friendly argument
these two are like oil and water for quite a bit of this podcast lol
Don't ever, for any reason, do anything to anyone for any reason ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who, or who you are with, or where you are going, or where you've been... ever, for any reason whatsoever... Neil deGrasse (Michael Scott)
20:43 Joe Rogan get interrupted for the 78th time
His face says it all lol
his reaction....
Joe has to accept that sometimes his input has little value.
@@violet-trash it's still rude though.
Violet Fyxe it’s called being rude
I almost want to watch the whole podcast now, just to see how many times Tyson interrupts and how many times Joe is visibly annoyed by it.
He's more of an ass than before.
624 interruptions to 577 annoyances
@Big Cat 🤣🤣🤣
When you host a podcast it's your job to try and get the guest to talk. No matter how Joe feels personally about being cut off. He's probably really happy with how engaged he got his guest to be.
I am however happy to see people waking up to the fact that NDT has always been a cunt. We're all children who love to learn about space. And he's been a figure who could deliver that to us. On his shows he normally keeps it pretty chill. Probably because he's trying to do right by his late mentor. However, his actual personality has always been shitty and contradictory, and holier than thou.
Granted he would beat me in a math a thon. And he knows the names of more stars than I do. But he also gets into other people's face about economics, art, religion, culture, philosophy, literature. And he brings the same "I am the smart person" attitude to all those topics even when he clearly has no clue what he's talking about.
He's this weird mix of actually smart about one thing. Ignorant about a lot more. But not smart enough to realise that because of how much fame we've given him. He's over rater and I'm glad people are figuring it out.
@@Siberial I couldnt have put it better myself. He's smart thats for sure. A genius? no not exactly. He's intelligent in his own field, which btw he is a lot more a educator than a researcher, he memorize more than he discover, but that aside, in a lot of other fields such as social, art..etc he can be pretty dumb.
ok = scientist version of 'know what em say'n"
When niggaz hear a black man saying "ok" they be like " he sold out!"
+ 3hr
@MegaSkilla Welcome to "fuck em all".
As a person of who gives a fuck, I wonder at the legality of it all...
Naaaaa meeeeeen
Yah mean?
If the mountain spit out oil there wouldn't be a Hawaii..
It would be one big drilling station.
mm 2018 sad America annexed Hawaii too
Yup
Random
@@mojojoji5493 sad but then again great at the same time.
lol not great people step on Hawaiians
NDT having a debate with himself while interrupting Joe
joe " i've been with the gods on mount olympus" rogan
Yes!! I was lookin for this comment! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
mad underrated
That DMT lol
20:45 joe getting visibly upset about being cut off by Neil.
Because Joe is an intellectual neanderthal. Tyson's principle of "value" is correct, but Joe simply cannot comprehend them. We value driving, so we put up with 36K deaths/yr. We value the practice of medicine-250K malpractice deaths per year. If we valued climbing Everest enough, we'd find "out of the box" solutions to remove the bodies/trash. It's not about money, these climbers are filthy rich. Like so many other apes, he cannot fathom solutions, it's just "we can't". Many Americans DON'T value individual freedom/liberty because they take it for granted. Mass shootings could have an "out of the box" solution, but NO ONE is open to it., and is why they have no issues with banning firearms.
joeashbubemma ok you win
Gun Gun 😂
joeashbubemma funny to think, no one values those bodies enough up there. I think anyone who climbs Everest is a douchebag
joeashbubemma also no one is shitting in the death zone.
You shit when you’re camped, no one is stopping to shit between camps or on the final ascent
The amount of monologuing going on here, you'd think Neil was a supervillain.
It’s almost as if he’s the expert and joe is asking him questions 🤔
He’s public relations essentially
Keep protesting, we want it in Spain.
No problen thank you for supporting us
Keep it
Kane Smith keep what
True story: CERN should have been built exactly where I live, but people protested and they moved it. Fml
Take it
That look in Neil's eyes at 6:30 is the look of someone who thinks they just blew someone's mind lol.
😂😂😂😂
Smug self-righteous
douchy
He looks like he “blew” something else as well
@@b8IIin 🤣🤣👍🏼
Just replace one of the already built telescopes. If they’re that obsolete in comparison, it shouldn’t be too big a deal to do this.
That would be ideal but It's a clusterfuck of private interest up there. No one is gonna give up their illegally occupied spot.
This is exactly what is being done. In 2017 the State of Hawaii Board of Land and Natural Resources revised the telescope's build permit with a series of conditions, including the removal of 3 telescopes from Mauna Kea as well as asserting that TMT will be the last telescope built there.
The other telescopes aren’t that big and don’t take up a lot of space. We’re talking about a thirty meter telescope (TMT) and the amount of land that it’ll need to move for the structure is over 5 acres. That’s almost 4 football fields in size.
@@_Paragon_ yes and its the main natural watershed for the entire island. Pollution of the watershed would poison the water for the entire population.
@@SimpleTanks The TMT will not pollute the aquifer system, watershed or local water supply. That's a myth. The TMT is not drilling into the aquifer system or tapping into Lake Waiau. It's a cloosed loop system where all waste drains into a double hulles waste container; all waste is transported off the mountain for offsite processing and treatment. The observatory is being built on top of a specific lava rock plain to protect the aquifer system. Also, based on geochemistry, if you were to dump a gallon of oil on the summit, it would take 2,000 - 5,000 years for the contaminants to reach the water table and drinking supply. Why? TMT is about 13,600 ft above sea level in an alpine desert ecosystem that gets very little precipitation AND there are thousand of feet of rock between it and the watershed. In addition, modern telescopes have gotten rid of many hazardous and toxic chemicals from their design. So, no, the TMT is not a threat to the watershed.
14:55 I like the version where the scientists are like "Fuck your sacred mountain. We're gonna put a volcano here."
The beauty of having an eye in a space feels somewhat spiritual to me
Ok
Me: Mr. Tyson, so ima pass this class with a B right?
Neil: If you perceive yourself as only B person in this society, then you are feeding your own Self Fulfilling Prophecy of your limits and wont push the boundaries of your thinking.
Me: Coo so ima pass with a B
😂😂😂
Best comment!
Even though you're joking, that attitude is actually real and very common in America. Our youth do not value education and they dont wish to do their best. Mediocrity is acceptable now because everyones a winner
Andrew Fix teach us more dad
Haha
Wow I need to get 2 bed.
Mystical TenderMan we all do
Ya dude don't make ur mom mad
@@operationmaga6711 Stop projecting.
No shit land the plane!!
@@cmtat1976 I'm the boss at my mom's house
13:50 Joe is so fed up haha 'Sure...... why'
I love how he gets so many great guests on, but at some point he has to accept that he's a bald little brainlet.
Legend has it Neil was almost wrong once, but he ended up being right after all
he's been wrong on joe's theory that aliens would be interested in watching us.
He's wrong all the time with his biased opinions
Okay, but can we all just appreciate that Van Gogh vest Niel is wearing??
He's a great man
Very priestly
No
@@JJpmfc ok
Neil said nothing wrong on twitter
Agreed.
Facts 💯
This comment looked like it was posted intentionally for creating a very engaging comment section. But everybody agrees here. Lool.
I don't really agree at all since I believe it was a misrepresentation of statistical data, and Neil being a scientist trying to create a narrative with ignoring some information and including others was really astounding to me because I believe scientists have an obligation not to change the data to fit their narrative.
There was also a few other reasons, though that was definitely the biggest one for me.
Sahil Sharma honestly 😂
The protest happens because the natives are trying to let people know that this land was taken illegally after being recognized as an independent country by our past kings. It’s like how Crimea was annexed by Russia. Hawaii was annexed. Not only was the land taken from us but it’s getting hard for us to survive on our own land. Just putting it out there. JRE is still my favorite podcast!!!!!! I fckn love JRE!!!!
There's no comparison between Hawai'i and Crimea. After 127 years, there hasn't been a single U.S. or international court decision that has ruled that Hawai'i was 'illegally' annexed. The independence activists (secessionists) done even have a REAL case. It's all wishful thinking. Hawai'i had requested protectorate status on three different occasions: Great Britain (King Kamehameha, 1800s), United States (King Kamehameha III, 1851), and Japan (King Kalākaua). Hawai'i had requested annexation by the United States on three different occasions: King Kamehameha III (1854), Provisional Government (1893), and Republic of Hawaii (1898). The Republic of Hawaii requested annexation and the United States accepted the offer. Hawaii's Legislature unanimously accepted, approved and followed the terms of annexation. The U.S. annexed Hawai'i with the Newlands Resolution. It was ratified with a TWO THIRDS majority by BOTH the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, which is stronger approval than the requirements of even a treaty.
Yup yup, i live in Hawaii. You would be called gay with this information.
I was being sarcastic with my answer because that’s how non Hawaiians feel about Hawaiian people! 🤙🏾
Volcanoes are definitely earth's pimples.
20:17 “....there are ways around problems if you value the thing that you want to do.”
Words to live by.✔️
So the people making the telescope has a way around the problem(people of hawaii) ? Lol
@@DutchStyleBlacclouDs Yea , they could tear down some the older observatories n build the new one. I hope that's an option
@@DutchStyleBlacclouDs yeah and the people voted yes for it to be built
jeffsupersaiyan there was no vote
@@hoku8089 Well I could be wrong . I have heard there was a vote. I also heard the protests where because people who lost their homes weren't paid as they should of been. That was a long time ago . The Natives should have no say in what is done with US land . It isnt theirs anymore and hasnt been for a long time . They are not entitled to anything any other citizen isnt. The paperwork has gone through. It was approved . Time to move on .
Neil Tyson and Jeremy Clarkson need to talk about cars and space and see who lowers their voice more out of sheer excitement.
Neil will say uuuunnnnivers ! And Jeremy will say jaagggggggg. And so fourth .
U mean who becomes louder
OneMANarmY no he literally means what he typed.
louis i love the idea!
The LEM was a underpowered vehicle with horrible visibility and terrible suspension. But for a 2 man roadster it's average
Joe kept trying to get him to speak negatively about protestors and he had a remarkably neutral perspective. Respect.
He knows that disrespecting a group of people is a way to get them to say “fuck you”.
Not really, Joe was saying they don't care about Neil's proposal, since Neil was heavily in favor and pro building the telescope.
"Its entirely......"
"JOE.. joe... listen a sec. Possibility is simply a mathmatical.........."
Joe: "you ever done DMT'
Neil: "naw dude, you heard of TMT tho?"
The Money Team!
Jimma D
Trimethyltryptamine?
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles bruh
@@Trueknowledgeisfree hahaha. Now we are in the game
Amazing how much these two have to skate on thin ice around a subject nowadays.
John Edward So he just put HIS opinion not talking shit just his opinion and you respond by calling him names and being a prick. Ironic isn’t it.
Daniel Kintigh Honestly both sides are consistently disappointing
@John Edward you need a brain scan, if youre going to label people just because they speak their minds, then you already lost... keep on labeling you cry baby.
@John Edward we're tired of cancel culture and look at what ya'll tried to dave chappelle yous tried to cancel him and that shit failed so fuck you PC, cancel culture and sensitive people out there 😂😂
@John Edward pipe down you worm
I love how every time they slightly change the focus of the discussion, Neil turns it into a mini lecture.
He thinks hes smarter then he is. You can't compare a historical building to a historical geological site thats just far from rational.
Cant think of name Yeah why can’t you? You can rebuild that building not sure you can rebuild a geological site. Earth took millions of years to form one and the other was built by hairless apes!
@@MasteIsIllmatic A historical building has ownership at high value being fragile and is painstakingly built, is in a generally populated area that can be policed, are almost always straight vertical and are supseptable to losing tiles bricks and other falling debris off in areas that are not meant to be pulled. A sturdy rock that hasn't budged in a few million years thats in a mostly unpopulated place shouldn't be trespassed and isn't even enforceable to a person climbing. Nobody's going to shut down the grand canyon, a far better comparison I must say, because a couple climbers trashed the place and thats a natural wonder of the world.
@@MasteIsIllmatic Rebuild a geological sight? As if its going to blow away in the wind?
@@cantthinkofnameyeah7249 Smart guy. once humans get their hands on it. They will destroy it. They can and will blow a hole through it and create a tunnel. They will build all types of shit on it if they get a chance. Are you really going to act like we haven't changed the landscape of the earth before? smh
I can't wait till we get a telescope on top of Mount Everest lol
Bit windy & snowy 😋
Screw Everest. At that point might as well build it on the moon. No atmosphere for better images and no one to complain when you build a 100 meter reflector telescope.
Thomas Schulz you’ll still have someone flying Elon’s rocket up there to protest for the invisible moon people
@ungratefulmetalpansy it could be done from Earth or automated
Neil the only one who can cut joe off when he’s talking I love this!
Woah surprising how the guest invited to talk , actually talks , how crazy is that 😦
Right these people are fucking bitching that chocolate tastes like chocolate again add motherfuckers lmao
@@Fee.1 wow using chocolate reference because Neil is a black man, racist.
@@ExtremeTG wow assuming he used a chocolate reference because Neil is a black man, RACIST!
@@mrgainz7252 lets be honest, Neil is a black man
@@ExtremeTG outrageous allegation, absolutely racist to your core. He might identify as a slim but not anorexic but still curvey Chinese women and your up in here accusing him of all sorts of Nastiness! HOW DARE YOU!!
"Let me make an opposing argument" "no"
I used to love Tyson but the more I hear him talk, the more he just seems full of himself and direspectful
r0nin he’s probably tired of talking to people more stupid than him (roe jogan ain’t stupid tho)
@@pigsface1 He's not a Genius either though, he's pretty much an average Joe.
Violet Fyxe He’s got a PhD from Columbia university, went to Harvard and has worked for NASA, he definitely isn’t just some fucking average joe.
Violet Fyxe Oh I thought you meant Tyson, my bad
When Neil says “okay” after every single sentence it makes me want to tear off my ears
Neil degrasse Tyson drinking game : take a shot every time he says "the universe"
Ohh shit
Keanu Reeves on the podcast 2020 gogogo
That would be EPICestest thing 🙏
@Thomas Veysey Shut your mouth or I'm not taking you for ice cream son
Insecure much? Calling random ppl little lol.... uh huh 👆🏻
go go girls?
The way archipelagos are created is awesome. Never had that explained to me before.
I love how good speakers let sentences breath. Also appreciate he just wants them to think a bit further outside of their box and consider that maybe we are on that same path but coming from a different direction. Not to say they are wrong but to think maybe we are both right.
TMT & Mauna Kea have become a proxy war for the larger conflict over native Hawaiian entitlements including sovereignty. Reminds me of the occupation of Alcatraz from '69 to '71. I suspect that resolving the TMT question will be necessary, but insufficient for the activists.
I agree completely, a lot of people are unaware of how important it is for indigenous people to have sovereignty. I personally want indigenous people to run environmental politics because they hsve the most respect and care for nature.
JAS PDX definitely not a proxy war. The mountain has been sacred to my people for millennia. They want to dig a hole in it the size of an nfl stadium at the height of 180 feet tallest structure on our island. That’s illegal by all our current rules both size and the fact it’s in a conservation zone. Now is that the only thing the state has done against Hawaiians of course not so damn right we’re pissed.
Entitlement? Really fuck you and your bloodline you fuck our people were illegally overthrown in a way we had no understanding of out land was stripped from us because we were a peaceful people who didnt believe in money, our queen was kidnapped and land stolen. You are the one who feels entitled to our land
Hshahahah ! .... you said 69
Fuck tmt
I get the benefits of the telescope being built but I agree with the idea of letting the natives decide if the telescope should be built after being informed about the proper information. There needs to be respect shown for their culture and land
There's no natives there, just watered down whites and Asians that think they are...... us real polynesians don't even look at them as one of us.
The sovereignty groups in Hawaii are full time protesters. Many hawaiians arent part of the group
@@BEAST-rd6wg i think only assholes think like that. A lot of real Polynesians have love for Hawaii.
@@Comicgamerkids Bingo. If you look at the pics, they're flying the Hawaiian flag upside down. That's the sovereignty groups.
The natives don’t own the land. They can fuck off.
If I was a native, I would not want to hear the argument of any non native. Trusting non-natives in any capacity has never turned out well so I would vote solely based on native information.
Any capacity? Where did you get this?
@@RG-ds8pd History.
Uluru is awesome. Especially the theory that its the stump of an Ancient Giant Tree
They have alternative sites for the telescope. They may not be quite as good, but they are acceptable - that's why they were chosen as alternative sites (Canary Islands - 1st alt). Hawaiians don't have an option of choosing or building a new sacred site. The natives have been told each time that this will be the last observatory (13 now I think). Then the scientists keep coming back and saying they need one more. Now the natives are finally saying enough is enough. The design for TMT is something like a huge 18 story building the size of a sports arena/stadium. Mauna Kea to Hawaiians is like the Vatican to Catholics. Would the Catholics let the scientists build in the Vatican?
Jon H. let's take this a step further. Let's replace all religious sites with awesome science.
connectiontotheworld not at the expense of their culture it’s their island.
The energy is off here! What’s up?!
joe getting pissed cause neil is wrong about everything lol
@@powerman2610 no, because he keeps interrupting him
#ndt and his arrogantly over inflated ego constantly contributing on subjects he has no idea about is becoming as clear to #jre as it has to the rest of us
Azzury street.. why so angry??
꧁Travis Russo꧂ what’s with that super feminine fan looking thing around your username 😂😂😂😂
"you can believe whatever you want to believe as long as it doesn't interfere with other people's lives" is often easier said than done
Tyson's respect for indigenous people and lands gave me so much more respect for him
lol Joe is like I really enjoy listening to you have a conversation with yourself
"Open up the hatch and let it rip down the side of a mountain."
My final form is complete.
LOL!!!!
Joe's face at 6:34..was like a Caveman seeing fire for the first time!!!!!!!!
Lmao
You can buy a ticket and climb to the top of St Paul's Cathedral. You become a construction worker and climb to the top of Big Ben.
Tried counting how many times he said "OK"....
He has a very organized mind. I think he's kind of spitballing and crafting this narrative as he goes, point by point.
52?
God damn Neil that was the longest tap dance I’ve seen in a long time.
"Open up the hatch and let it rip on the side of the mountain " LMAOOOOOOO 21:27
Why is it assumed that a telescope is a bad thing for sacred ground? Stone observatories were always built in sacred places. Why should it be different with modern scopes?
Honza Lajksner all the other telescopes were protested against, this one is pretty much the straw that broke the camels back plus Hawaiians have lost land over and over
This is a huge structure. 5 floors.
I don't think the telescope is the issues but the complex that comes with it
It would completely alter the landscape.
Devi8 Nation 5 floors? This is an 18 story 5 acre building they’re proposing
@@hoku8089 your right. I was wrong. I read somewhere that it was 2 stories underground and 3 above. Thank you
Neil seems really tired or irritated. I hope he is doing ok and not getting worn down by his responsibility to spread knowledge and not getting worn down by the current culture of outrage at facts. Keep your head up Neil we do appreciate your time.
I think it's the cancel culture that has been trying to get rid of him. Man looks like he aged 10 years
He's tired of ignoramuses having a reach to him
Dude's been accused of sexual harassment basically because he was basically trying to ask a girl out... thats gotta really hurt emotionally man
These arrogant intellectual types are getting exposed as sexual predators, laurence krauss aswell
@@LC-qi5ff donald trump too.
20:47 joe was like oh my fuck I can’t even get a sentence in 💀💀💀
Watching this entire thing was worth it just for those final five seconds.
I can relate to what Joe said about a dark sky. I live in Australia, we still have a lot of dark skies away from the big cities. When I met my current partner about 20yrs ago we went for a weekend away in the bush. Around midnight I noticed there was no moon so I talked her into taking a half hour drive away from the small town motel to a picnic ground in the middle of nowhere. I turned off the car lights and we talked in pitch black for about 15 minutes to acclimatise our eyes before we got out of the car and looked up. After the initial "WOW!" and "OMG!" she choked up and said "I'm 40 years old and I never knew this was here".
Cool story bro
Nobody cares
Build the telescope but tear down some of the hotels and resorts , fair trade
Tourism is Hawaii’s number one source of income. Hotels aren’t going anywhere
They already have 13 telescopes when they were promised it was just going to be one .
fresherthanamutha boohoo
I'm sure we can have both, knucklehead.
Edit: For the record, If they build it, cool, if they don't cool... This surely can't be the only spot on earth suitable for a telescope.
plus the resorts aren't on sacred land. the f'ng telescope is.
Culture/spiritual/sacred land > Science
An island in the middle of the clouds, illuminated by moonlight.
Sucks I'm too broke to see this shit. Sounds amazing.
I drove up late afternoon and the rainbows seemed super close.
It's cheap af to get there actually
@@supersoldier5023 Not if your Canadian. I could go all inclusive to Mexico for a week for half the price of a round trip flight to Hawaii.
Duncan MacDonald
Let’s go brother! Broke boys on an adventure!
It's an awesome place.
DGT can be an annoying, arrogant, douchebag, but by god he can be inspirational.
His calmness, his convictions, his love for what he does and eloquence in this video brought tears to my eyes.
that's really pathetic
@@NoName-fo7mz Yes, _you_ are. You're commenting on the other posts is just lame.
but he just had a pro building the telescope.
Observing the sky is far more important than singing songs into it.
Informing people of the truth is a thought crime!
Daniel Kintigh what truth is Neil being prevented from telling exactly?
Your name ia really Schnitzel?! 😂
Arthur C Clarke knew in the 50s we needed observatories above the atmosphere to avoid this kind of drama.
my favorite scifi author
There is one already, it's called the Hubble Telescope. Since 1990
Arthur knew NOTHING.
He was a freemason.
@@jacobshexladder a lot of free masons knew a lot of things. In fact some of the most brilliant people of their time were freemasons.
@@jand8303
Not sure why they can't just build more like it instead of these land based observatories. It's far better and makes sense...
6:29
He worded that perfectly.
Classic
This is the most shiny Joe's head has ever been.
So shiny... and chrome
Neil *"MAMA SAID KNOCK YOU OUT"* DeGrasse Tyson
The reason mountain tops are sacred to begin with is because people would go to the top of them, look up, and wonder "wtf is with all this?". Not much has changed in that respect.
Eric Burkhart I took a Hawaiian history class and that isn’t it. Fuck that damn telescope.
@@IllyrianStrength Just because in some cultures its that way doesnt necessarily mean its that way for hawaiin natives
Xtcnyc 23 I’m Hawaiian and I’m for it
Hawaiians don't need those fucking mountains, their religion don't exist. Get the fuck over it you primitive island fucks. We're trying to advance human knowledge, fuck your traditions and culture in the face of that.
@@ambermasso1226 No. Fuck those 'sacred' mountains. I live on planet earth too, do I get to claim the mountains my ancestors lived by and stop anyone from doing business there??
I like NDT but his interruptions are super annoying. Let the other speak after he has patiently listened to you. You can counter after that.
I climbed Ularu back when I was 12.... don’t think I’d do it again knowing what it means to the Aboriginal people now. At the time I saw it as something natural and I climbed it with respect and admiration. It is a special place.
Sorry if I interrupted anyone in the comments section 😎
brad the earthling Let's imagine there's a big rock in Germany and some of the people that can trace their lineage to that region for a very long time have some spiritual beliefs about the bloody big rock , they believe people shouldn't climb it because it goes against their beliefs, now let's say there's a group of people born in Germany but their ancestors lived elsewhere some from Asia and some from Africa and they'd like to climb the bloody big rock , should they respect the beliefs ?
Aron Lane I see your point... but even Stone Henge is roped off now... different circumstances but many people tend to be assholes.
sometimes it’s just important to act like less of an asshole. That’s it.
If that means taking breathtaking photos from the ground instead of climbing it, that’s something I can handle. Others won’t, that’s up to them. Go team asshole.
There are other places near by Ularu that are better “climbs” anyway.
I’d love to travel to Germany one day by the way 😎👍 Cheers.
neil "ok" de grasse tyson
Tyson: "by the way wanna know how islands form"
Rogan (giving absolutely zero fuvks) "🙄sure"
Tyson: "blah blah"
Rogan: "so anyway, the natives hate ya guts"
Cut.fo
loooooooooool
he did not give a damn about that
Props to neil for a solid well thought out fair position
Clearly pro building lol
Conversation with Tyson are pointless without Bravo! There’s the comedy!
20:45 Joe looked annoyed there
Joe 'Open up the hatch, and let er rip down the side of a mountain" Rogan.
Hah! Joe's getting frustrated. Hard to talk to someone when they wont let you speak huh Joe?
Are you ok?
@@lukedrewry2816 Guess they got interrupted by Joe somehwere
I didnt watch the entire podcast. Did Neil smoke or is he just trying suuuper hard not to word his statement in a way that will upset ANYONE. Coulda been either.
What's happening is and there's a reason Neil is keeping joe quiet is this. The Native Hawains are horribly horribly racist. I'm not joking. Ask anyone who has been to hawaii or been out there for a while, native hawaiins hate your ass. They tend to be poor and live off tourist money and scraps. So any time they can hustle non natives for cash they do it. The telescope is just them doing that. Everyone knows it's going to be built, no one is offended, they just want more money. It's really not that complex but no one can just come out and say it because the natives would flip out for someone calling them out on their shit.
That's all it is, some natives making up some magic bullshit history trying to get cash from dumb guilty white people.
A F why do you keep saying that in every comment. It’s over generalizing and diminishes the argument to simple pettiness. Iv never met any of these natives and you can bet I would never walk into their native land and willingly think of them as purely racist and greedy people. That’s like if a Muslim in Pakistan told another that every white person in the US hates them. Or if a white person said every black persimmon the south side of town is just stupid and only wants to rob you. That kind of over generalizing has been used for all of human history and more likely than not always leads to some stupid conflict because people are to lazy to see the nuance in a culture. I know it’s super difficult to detach the people from a POSSIBLE observation of a certain behavioral trend. It just becasue Iv seen a bunch of white people be racist on the internet and at times in person, doesn’t mean that every white person innately has this prejudice mindset. Far from it. Slight prejudice? Sure but everyone has that, but people innocent people get killed all the time because some nutjob thinks over generalizing an entire group of people is a productive way to think. Shooting in El Paso Texas? You can bet that guy had over generalized the Hispanic culture and thought killing innocent members of this culture was a good idea. Everytime a police officer knowingly targets a young African American male despite not evidence of any wrong doing? Over generalizing the African American community as criminals by default. Every time a hear a black peer call a white person racist because that white person happened to say the n word in a song? Over generalizing white people as racists by default. Now I’m not completely discounting the actual substance of your argument. I don’t doubt the natives are in some way prejudice against any foreigners and there’s always someone in a community wanting money, but the way you presented it is not only a dangerous mindset to have, but it’s also just illogical by default. There’s a reason guilty by association isn’t allowed in our courts. It’s because it’s dumb and a lazy thing to do. Bring me some sources that support your claim. Possibly a few anecdotal pieces though that’s far from reason enough to completely agree. In short. Quit saying this shit.
@@neondiddle2039 I'm not reading that shit. Why would think I'm reading all that shit? Are you that stupid you'd think I'd read all that insane shit?
Listen, I lived there for years, that's just how it is. Listen to the Lars hamilton/gabriella reece interviews.
Everyone talks about it but don't want to say it out right. Native Hawaiins are racist as fuck and will hustle any non native hawaiin for every penny they can. If you aren't a native hawaiian on certain Islands they will kill you for coming to the island without permission which is never given and, bury your ass and you'll never be found.
It's not like the States on the continent. It's hawaii, fucking idiot.
@@AF-sb3jk you can see it in that one bitch that tells all men to shut up. My god that woman is a fool.
@@AF-sb3jk It isn't bad in the tourist areas. But if you go to areas where there are pretty much only locals (places towards the end of the road to Hana) and you're white, you get called Howlie and can very easily get the shit beaten out of you. Like something that wouldn't be considered rude or a 'slip-up' anywhere else could easily get a few big dudes on your ass. Hawaii is one of my favorite places, but don't go outside of the tourist areas and think you're just someplace in the US. Treat it like you're a respectful visitor leaving it nicer than when you left and you'll be fine. If you think you're tough, you'll have some big mother fuckers to show you otherwise.
You can even see further using DMT while looking through a telescope 🔭.
A DMTelescope
@@chocolateabi genius 😆
THCelescope
Drinking game: take a shot every time NGT interrupts Joe.
Result: Liver Failure.
I feel like the precession of how we go to things changes how we view them. it’s ritualistic when the night comes we go to bed usually and the day is done, every Sunday we go to church. the theater is empty till the show begins. people transiting around the mountain all the time removes the precession it loses the feeling of sacredness.the connection to it doesn’t feel relative to anything we come and go as if it’s any other place
It's not complicated. Don't build it there.
Or just build it there, not so complicated.
What's sacred is the further advancement of humanities understanding of the universe.
Baaaaa, greater good, baaaa.
@@sirjames8779 that's a good argument.
Agreed. 😂👍
That was a good answer. But my thing is look at what farmers are doing to the rainforest. Ppl are fearful that if they give their land up or share it , it wouldnt be respected.
This telescope isn't built on a forest lol. Itd be built on lava rocks.
What are farmers doing to the rainforest?
@tubagoo dom It is not just cattle ranchers. Palm oil and other grains have been planted there for decades and are a main source of deforestation. You just do not hear about that because the current war on meat and you wouldnt want to piss off monsanto.
@@russcrom she's did not go 2 college 😲🤣
@@tylerh629 we kicked Monsanto out like 10 years ago. Their presence here is minimal. And we have many local cattle farmers. What's the point of us producing beef for people in the mainland. Not sure what era you guys are living in lol.
6:23 "The discovery of astrophysics bring you closer to it"
*closes eyes*
His internal monologue: "jesus I don't know where it comes from sometimes, I'm just this profound insightful being of science who spills out pure gold"
*Farts* "my world that smells delicious"
Legit looked like he came his pants after he said that
Me: hey mr astrophysicist, would ya like a new big ass telescope??
Astrophysicist: does a bear shit in the woods and wipe his ass with a bunny???........ 😳 yes, I mean yes
9:27 but have you tried DMT tho