I believe that the temperature of the universe has a huge part to play in gravity and how electromagnetic waves conduct themselves. Watch the video in the link below, that metals superconducting temp is 92 Kelvin and the universe is 2.73 Kelvin imagine the superconducting properties of the ozone being cooled to 2.73 Kelvin that's probs why we don't get alot of radiation from the sun and why certain WIMP particles will never be found passing through our planet! Id like to ask Neil about this ua-cam.com/video/JIjzJKnpahA/v-deo.html
Joe's hair follicles are more sensitive to the effects of gravity, it pulls the hair towards earth, thus preventing it from growing upwards out of his head...
@Al Garnier Neil was condescending in many parts. Neil might have been genuinely trying to help, but that just means he's a genuine asshole. Just because "Why" isnt obtainable through science, dosen't mean its not something you can't ask a scientist... he didnt have to answer as a scientist... and then he went on to make the worst point he could, which is "good enough" science. We understand it good enough and the things we don't know aren't important... i hope i dont need to explain why its bad for a scientist to say that
@@warpath8453 you don't understand what neil was saying... neil is saying there is an Infinite philisplophical never ending ever receding asking of "Why" like a child you can keep asking why til the end of the universe. It matter what "Why" you are satified with... Purpose is spiritual or theological which has NOTHING to do with science. You find meaning on your own, but in the mean time we will keep discovering HOW things happen in our universe. He is NOT saying to stop dicovery... he is saying we can eventually discover the true reason WHY life exists... and you will still have people... asking why.... there has to be a point of satisfaction with why so you can move on and KEEP DISCOVERING
@@warpath8453 who said you cant obtain why from science? The fuck? Science answers why all the time. But science cant stop people from asking why again.
Yes but not in a phylosophical way, science asks why to the unexplained facts presented by physics, why can we usually see a spectrum of seven colors? Why can we see colors? Why did this apple fall on my head? And to those common sense facts we get explanations, because the material has properties that absorb part of the white light it gets, but not all, because the reflection of the light in the objects can reach our eyes and so we see it (I haven't studied science in a while, so sorry if this explanation is a little blurry), because there was a force called gravity that was acting on the apple, those why's are scientific why's, but if you ask, why are there colors, why is there gravity, that is more of a job for phylosophy, and you will end up asking why is there life, and will know nothing It's just the way things are, that's what I usually go with
he answered question 3 times , from the first one it was obvious what he was talking about , yet you expected him to say what? that he doesn't know answer on question no one can , at least now .
I think Neil was getting somewhat agitated because he kept trying to explain that at some point the "why" question is irrelevant. But I'm not sure why Neil feels that way. Who knows what could come out of an even deeper understanding of why/how gravity bends spacetime. Especially if we somehow figure out how to reverse it counteract it. This could be huge for future space travel, no? Wasn't that the whole plot to Interstellar?
@@Wizznilliam yes, some scientists still question the validity of gravity, it doesnt make sense completely in some pieces. What Neil did here is he is closing the conversation on the theory of gravity, if I recall correctly, this is not how the scientific method works. Infact this is very detrimental to it. This is similar to the God argument religious people use. Its a real shame. I also think Joe made a brilliant counter argument agains neils analogy between hair follicles and gravity, which simply was "we know a lot more about hair follicles than we know gravity" (thus its ok to dig deeper and ask more questions).
Based on tone of voice Joe seemed way more agitated than DeGrasse and I don't particularly care for him normally, but in this convo Joe irked me. DeGrasse was right in that we understand gravity to a fine enough degree to land interplanetary shit. People still by and large go bald if their genes say so ..which thing is manipulated to a greater degree by humanity then?
He answered the question though, by saying that Gravity is the curvature of space and time. He said "I don't know" when he got asked "why is gravity the curvature of space and time?" Which is basically the same as being asked "why is gravity gravity?". The first question was "what really is gravity?". And Neil answered. And then he basically got asked "why is reality this way and not another way?". I think the confusion derived from the fact that the concept of gravity is hard to understand: it is a curvature sure, the same as a ramp at a skateboard park, but you cannot perceive it. You can't see it. Cuz it's in 4D, per say. But just because you can't picture it in your head, doesn't mean you don't know what it is. Neil knows cause it's his field, many people didn't really understand it I think.
@@TrevorAndSky Neil did not give a sufficient answer for Joe and for many people. It was very frustrating to view this clip as Neil continuously talked about the fact that we know 'enough' about gravity to get us to land on Mars for example. Neil did not explain what is the accepted theory in physics at the moment about how particles get their mass to create the curvature of space time. He just rambled about how what we know is enough and that is not an acceptable answer for a physicist. Neil showed his bad side with this podcast.
Actually he said it at the top of when he started talking he said "we don't know why gravity works we know we are limited to it's properties." It's better to keep asking how questions than why questions
Lmao! Dude, Joe was over it. He kept interrupting Joe, so I image Joe just bowed out. Like, "dude, why are you preaching right now? I'm TRYING to have a conversation."
Its hard to watch somebody i held in such high regard act like a that. Its like he took something before hand that ended up effectinf his mood hes normally arrogant, but not rude like that
The interview in few words. Joe: What is gravity? Niel: A curve in space and time. Joe: Why? Niel: You are bald. Joe: I remind you that I go to the gym regularly. Well, that escalated quickly
WHY is the force that causes intelligent people to question things! Why do the planets do this instead of that is what caused Copernicus and Kepler to question the motion of the planets.
In other interviews he was asked the same question.., and laughingly said he didn't know. The only "why" that troubles me is "why" was NDT so triggered
Neil gets a bit edgy any time someone pursues a line of questioning he feels he adequately answered, and Joe doesn`t let shit go if he`s not satisfied with the answers, but I don`t think they`re all like "fuuuuuuuuuckyoooooooo BUDDY!" lol
@@afrog2666 The thing is NDT does not get edgy when someone pursues yadda yadda. He gets edgy here specifically, because while he adequately explained multiple times, Joe tries to present it as if he is avoiding to answer. NDT again explains that he has answered, that we do know what gravity is, we just don't know the philosophical "why". Joe basically keeps asking rabbit hole questions, which don't lead to a what, but basically to a "why", and he does not even understand that he is doing that. This is what is frustrating about it to NDT, and I fully sympathize with him.
@@orestispalampougioukis6043 he is edgy, because he's a scientist first and foremost. If he feels questions are superfluous, he will probably be quick to say so. Nevertheless, we are limited in understandings of many things, and this can frustrate us, and NDT is no different. Also, theological questions are not often welcomed by scientists, which "why" could hint at, and in that case is fundamentally different to "how".
My dad's a physicist. He always says: "how" is for scientists, "why" is for philosophers. Maybe I'm just used to it, but... it sounds about right to me.
Alex San Lyra nope science answers both once both can be answered and philosophers do nothing except push the scientist to answer both of these questions furthers
Alex San Lyra a biologist with a disdain for people who have to answer everything with a story about how it had to be created. Also I was just being tongue in cheek.
This why we needed Eddie on so he could of quickly said... oh I get it so gravity is like fatness the more you eat your belly starts to curve like the Earth... allegedly 😉 Ndt-😠😵
I dont think Neil was defensive. He just thinks like a scientist and doesn't go much further than that with gravity. Gravity to me, is related more closely to the miracle of life itself than the math that gets you into a crater in Mars. We are a long ways from understanding the why of why there is life and things like gravity that seem to be present and factors that allow for life.
Shane O Mac theres no reason to ask why to an established objective truth; just as court cases where you don't prove or disprove agreed facts among parties. The "whys" that are asked for the sole puropose of generating controversy have to be shut down; because that's how you get to flat earth, holocaust denial, space is fake, etc. there isn't any need to have more imbeciles than those that already exist.
@@tefosemanate9514 Yea well, Neils flowery poetry shit & insisting on not asking why just reinforced all of those imbeciles! I've had elementary school teachers that could have given a more satisfactory conclusion.
t@XY ZW Is it really true that Relativity is unproven garbage? Apparently the GPS wouldn't work properly without accounting for the Mathematics of Relativity. I know that you can do Space Travel without Relativity but simply with Newton but GPS I have heard relies heavily on General Relativity. Or have I heard wrong?
I liked this one more. 5:44 . It was hilarious to see Neil's face. Genuinely not knowing the answer and then deferring to Einstein's definition which is not even a definition but a description of a framework.
I don't believe Neil was implying stop asking questions rather lets continue our purpose to see gravity work on a scale we have yet to figure out. It's like having a math question and we all know 1+1=2 and someone standing up with why is 1+1=2. The answer is given so shouldn't we move onto other math equations just as gravity needs to be explored more then just asking the same why question in different context. :)
Science has painted itself into several corners. This is why the number of breakthroughs and discoveries has slowed to a trickle. Gravity is very important to one of them: Dark Matter. 25 years of searching for the stuff and not even a whiff to show for it. Cosmologists are getting very defensive that their knowledge of gravity is complete and perfect. If they admitted that their knowledge is incomplete, the funding might dry up...
I think what he was trying to say is that even though there's no scientific explanation for why the laws of physics seem to be so arbitrary, you don't necessarily have to know the why in order to understand the other things that depend on them. Kind of like back before people could go around the world to prove that it's round, the ancient Greeks could still calculate the circumference of the earth using just the sun and trigonometry. It's just the way he said it made him seem like a dick for no reason
I think when Joe kept asking why, that's a very common question religitards ask when they are trying to say that behind it all stands God. It's an argument they always use, and from videos I've seen of Neil they've asked him that countless times, and I'm sure in his personal life people have asked him a lot too. All I'm trying to say is that that question gets annoying after a while, I'm annoyed of it of just seeing Neil deal with it countless times in videos. I'm guessing he's probably heard it most of his life so I totally understand why he lost his cool a little bit, I knew the reason right away. Also he didn't know Joe's agenda, he thought he was religious, but when Joe told Neil that he isn't, and the purpose of Joe's question wasn't coming from there at all, Neil backed off as you can see in the video.
@@1Peasant Honestly, it is a little pathetic to keep copy-pasting the same comment everywhere. However, the point the comment makes is quite good. The reason most religious people ask "Why" is to smuggle God into the scientific explanatory regress. It's taking advantage of the fact that all science is based on assumptions, and there is always a deeper "why" behind those assumptions, so no matter how much science progresses and explains why stuff happens, God will be the why behind that why. It's a disgusting trick.
Yes, Spooky Action at a Distance was an Einsteinian quote but the concept of action at a distance was a very big and defining limit to Newtons descriptions of Gravity. Newton didn't have the concept of "space-time" being a fabric, he thought of space as a vacuum only, so he wrestled with and failed to answer a mechanism for gravity, he could only make predictions of how it would manifest. He couldn't think of a way for two objects that aren't sharing a medium of something else to affect one another, to him it was action at a distance. What NDT was clumsily trying to say was that when Einstein described the concept of "space/time' and that Mass and energy can curve it, we no longer needed a concept of action at a distance for gravity, we had a medium, it was space/time itself.
@@launchsquid wow. Well said. So when Einstein used the " spooky action at a distance" line, was he actually incorporating Newton's "action at a distance " line in order to throw shade at Niels Bohr's quantum physics thesis?
@@blindspotspotter.2352 Einstein famously thought Quantum entanglement was impossible. He believed the universe to followed the principle of locality and that quantum entanglement broke that principal. Einstein rejected the older alternative of action at a distance, such as Newton had invoked when he tried to explain how he saw gravity influencing objects that were unconnected and in a vacuum with no interconnecting medium. Einstein later showed the warping of spacetime was the mechanism for gravity and the connecting medium between celestial objects was spacetime itself. Because Einstein believed any particle or energy state could only be influenced by another particle or energy that is causally linked to it he rejected the notion that action at a distance was a thing. Quantum entanglement allows for two particles to influence one another over infinite distances instantaneously, despite no obvious causal link, so Einstein dubbed it spooky action at a distance as a way to deride it.
Well imagine being as intelligent as NDT and trying to explain that concept to Joe "I know, but I dont know..." Rogan. I mean even if you've ever tried to teach someone whose new on a job it can be infuriating. Somehow at 60 years old Joe is still new on life and needs a lot of this stuff explained to him lol.
@@OurBlackFriend Joe isn't any different than all humans asking for answers. Neil is in a "greater" position to provide a little more insight however on the grand scale even tyson doesn't have the ability to propel our knowledge of anything more vast than 11% of our unlocked brain. For example how to worm holes work in the universe? why haven't we found a way to live too 170 years old? Why has climate change been on the four front lately when for billions of years volcanos erupting gives off far more carbon damage than anything humans have done in our small real 400 years of industrial earth damage
Alex Stoll I enjoy teaching new people on the job and I also enjoy learning and asking why. Maybe you’re just an asshole. Get off that pedestal you’ve put yourself on.
Neil's energy this entire podcast was weirdly uncomfortable to watch. Noticeably different from what we've seen of him over the years. Joe felt it, handled it well
I think he was nervous because he was wondering the whole time if Joe was going to bring up anything about the sexual harassment incident that happened.
I'm glad Joe kept pushing. As Penn Jillet podcast recently pointed out, if you are intelligent enough, you can argue any point. But it doesn't mean you are right. I definitely know Neil is intelligent. But he doesn't want to go deep into certain questions and is very good at changing topics whilst not looking like he is. Neil kept going to philopsical purpose whereas Joe just wanted the science but he couldn't go that deep into it because science is based on results and not necessarily understanding to the point degree of Joe's essential point of question.
I'm with Neil on this one. Joe's questioning was going down the path of meaning and purpose. Joe was lazy with his words. And Neil had an excellent point that your WHY questions can get reduced down to very fundamental components where the WHY questions are meaningless. Joe could not follow this line of thinking/logic at all.
FenixDown147 the saying is “if you can’t explain it, you can’t teach it.” There’s no sentence limit on that saying. Also, that’s all it is - a saying. It’s not a truism.
YTglobersan Globersan hope not, idk why joe has to choose to oppose guests sometimes. Once he’s decided nothing can change his mind. Why argue with a specialist ya know? Generally joe asks questions and enjoys learning but he isn’t that open minded when it comes to science.
@@hellotheir1427 If you cant explain the basics of gravity to someone then you dont understand it. Thats why questions get asked. You explain the basics and if they want to know more they will prompt you to go more in depth by asking questions. Gravity is a force that pulls all bodies with mass together. Boom, gravity explained. It is explained at a basic level but if they want to know more they prompt with questions
Ninpeg This podcast isn't an education video. Neil didn't get invited by Joe so he can get explained in detail about the laws of physics. He got invited to advertise his book and have a high-level conversation about physics.
This whole conversation was strange. Neil is losing credibility in my book. I saw a clip of him comparing rock climbing on a mountain abroad to scaling important man made buildings. Explaining how some regions people don’t like westerners rock climbing on their sacred mountains. He went on to say something like that.. “how would a westerner feel about someone repelling down (whatever building of importance he suggested)” I can’t remember exactly which buildings he listed but the argument is absolute horse shit. Comparing an actual mountain that is formed in nature to a man made building in a heavily populated area is just ridiculous
Joe is like a child.No respect for neil.And when neil respond he mocks him with ta ta ta and raises eyebrows.But i guess since joe spoke to other astropysicist he is smarter then neil.smh
@@luissantiago874 no, joe is a guy thats not intimidated. He was a fighter for a living. Titles, acclimations, dont matter. In the end, he knows he could probably beat ur ass. Working in tandem with that, hes a fairly intelligent person. I love NGT, but Joe had the right of it. And hes not afraid to express it.
When will people comprehend that entire science is just a human's honest response to their own incompetence to fully comprehend the true nature of Nature?
@@Vic2point0 I didn't see it that way. Neil is a passionate guy and his enthusiasm can sometimes come across as anger if you're not familiar with Neil's style of communication. Lol Joe is a moron.
@@TheAstraeuss Except that Neil has been on his show before and it looked very different. Joe even specified exactly what seemed to be the catalyst for Neil's defensiveness this time around.
It's just that Niel's attitude about "why" questions has been jaded over time by religious nut jobs that usually end up invoking the a "god of the gaps" argument every time a science discussion moves to the frontiers of current understanding. He explained this. Quite frankly, if I was him and that is what was really happening, I would have been getting frustrated as well with that kind of William Lane Craig bullshit.
@@BrianPaul1984 Yup, this is why scientists just have to disengage from religious nut jobs, flat earthers, and the like. Ignore them. Engaging them as a credible scientist just lends them an air of credibility. It's just not healthy for people who really understand the science. It's a waste of their intellect. Leave the Flat Earthers and creationists to us semi-educated grunts on UA-cam comments and Reddit where we can just have fun with them and walk away when we get bored. I actually learn things engaging these people. It forces me to look up and refresh on topics I would otherwise just forget from school.
Neil was way more interested in letting Joe know that he's intelligent than anything Joe was trying to have a conversation about lol then when Neil got called out, it was a slippery slope of him being defensive as hell the rest of the way lol
NdT has said a few scientific things that were actually terrifically inaccurate during his career, and you are correct about what Einstein said about Quantum Entanglement. Newton did refer to gravity as an "action (a force) at a distance" and it is quite a curious force because we don't know how it works fundamentally despite being able to predict how it will affect bodies in our Universe. I think we can give him a pass on this one because he might have been drinking or smoking with Joe prior to the broadcast...
Newtob said " action at a distance" and that's what neil said when he was referring to gravity listen closely ppl he didn't say "spooky action at a distance"
@@nonenone5326 what is conservative about it? I genuinely wonder if we watched the same video. He says he has no clue, but Neil Degrasse Tyson has studied gravity in every conceivable way our technology allows and admits that any new knowledge is "the frontier" how can you say he doesnt know anything? I think tyson got defensive because every day on twitter he has to defend basic scientific knowledge to retards who say "but what is the purpose of gravity" or "but why is it doing that" as if that invalidates hundreds of years of compiled research. As if the scientists dont ask those exact questions to themselves all the time, but instead of wasting time looking for a moral purpose to the universe they devote their lives to quantifying the underlying mechanisms.
@@twoOfThemThangs he didnt talk in circles, he explained why it is a logical dead end to ask "why" a fundamental force of the universe exists. The questions of "why" any fundamental force exists or "why" life exists is not a question that science is even attempting to explain. He VERY clearly explained that science is only to and CAN ONLY explain the HOW as our technology and understanding deepens. Asking "why" something exists is a philosophical question that cannot be proven or disproven with logic or the scientific method. He isnt saying "i dont know" because again.... he is clearly saying "i dont care"
Funnily enough Nobel Prize winner Richard Feynman once had almost the exact same conversation in an interview, except he was asked about magnetism. (You can easily find that on youtube by searching "Richard Feynman. Why.") He also struggeled a bit to explain how a physicist views this sort of question. But in my opinion the most helpful quote from that interview was: "When you are explaining a Why, you have to be in some framework that you allow something to be true. Otherwhise you are perpetually asking why."
Joe: Why does gravity work? Niel: why don’t you understand? Joe: why are you defensive? Niel: why are you bald? Joe: Why does gravity always win? Niel: why do you even have this show? Edit by popular demand: *Neil* not Neil. ....poeple these days.... Edit v2: For those who didn't understand the word 'people' was mispeled on purpuse....you lack a cense of humur.
"Why? Because it IS..." Which just goes to show how teachers are scared to admit "We don't know". But they'll give students hell over using that exact same response, "Because it IS".
@@PATTHECATMCD I thought it was funny at the end when Joe, asked him for the last time "Do we know what gravity is?", and instead, Neil says, "No, were working on it." If he just said that earlier, it wouldve been over right there.
@Tom 1592009 You don't ask "how is the earth round" you ask "why is the earth round". It's basic grammar. The only reason NDT said it's not productive to ask deeper questions is because he's too stupid to answer them.
@2good2be4gotten Did I damage your fragile worldview? Because you're pretty mad. A tip for you in case you get incensed again, don't just spout ad hominems. Use your brain as well.
When a dumbass interviewer doesn’t understand the answer. Jesus people are dense as fuck. “You’re a man of science so you should love why questions” he’s not a fucking philosopher...joe was an idiot during this shit lol.
Because this along with many other channels and UA-cam alone are ran by satanic freemasons and secret societies and they stage and lie about everything. They hide the truth and promote lies
Nobody is picking up on this. Neil started with "why" Just to build a foundation for his ranty behavior and ended it with blaming Joe for wanting a purpose to life? cmon now
@@owl4446 When Joe kept asking why, that's a very common question religitards ask when they are trying to say that behind it all stands God. It's an argument they always use, and from videos I've seen of Neil they've asked him that countless times, and I'm sure in his personal life people have asked him a lot too. All I'm trying to say is that that question gets annoying after a while, I'm annoyed of it of just seeing Neil deal with it countless times in videos. I'm guessing he's probably heard it most of his life so I totally understand why he lost his cool a little bit, I knew the reason right away. Also he didn't know Joe's agenda, he thought he was religious, but when Joe told Neil that he isn't, and the purpose of Joe's question wasn't coming from there at all, Neil backed off as you can see in the video.
Newton described it as action at distance without the word “spooky” but he did mean it as a spooky action at distance. Because he thought of gravity as an action that doesn’t take any time. It is spooky. According to Einstein the speed of gravity is not spooky and it is equal to speed of light. According to newton if theoretically sun would magically disappear earth would fly out of its orbit instantaneously, where as eisntein say that for eight minutes we would continue following the curved path.
I don’t see defensive...I see frustration of trying to explain physics without a chalkboard to someone who wouldn’t understand the math in the first place. Why? Because Jesus. Move on? 😂
When Joe kept asking why, that's a very common question religitards ask when they are trying to say that behind it all stands God. It's an argument they always use, and from videos I've seen of Neil they've asked him that countless times, and I'm sure in his personal life people have asked him a lot too. All I'm trying to say is that that question gets annoying after a while, I'm annoyed of it of just seeing Neil deal with it countless times in videos. I'm guessing he's probably heard it most of his life so I totally understand why he lost his cool a little bit, I knew the reason right away. Also he didn't know Joe's agenda, he thought he was religious, but when Joe told Neil that he isn't, and the purpose of Joe's question wasn't coming from there at all, Neil backed off as you can see in the video.
5:42 "we know more about why people go bald than we do about what gravity really is" the most intriguing and interesting assertion I've ever heard Rogan make on behalf of us all
This is even a bigger issue in Quantum Mechanics. We literally have no real clue why it is the way it is, and most scientists don't bother and just claim it's a philosophical question. "Shut up and calculate". Although some like Sean Caroll aren't happy just accepting it.
I believe it was Albert Einstein who said spooky action at a distance, and when he said it he wasn't talking about gravity. He was talking about quantum entanglement.
I concur. And the fact that Neil, an astro physicist, botched that fact goes to show how irrational he was in attempting to answer the question at hand, or defend his non-answer.
You are exactly correct. Btw, watching Joe kind of manipulate NDT into a temper tantrum certainly seemed to qualify as spooky action at a distance to me
I think there’s a difference between being passionate about the subject matter and anger. “Why” questions do propose a purpose usually , and for all physicists they are annoying because it does have a diminishing demeanor towards the hundreds of years of hard work by these guys to understand it. It’s like asking”why is there light ?”. It’s a stupid question and is more suited to a religious mentality that panders to the perceived thoughts and actions of imaginary deities . I like Joe but if he actually went and did a PHD in astrophysics he would most definitely not ask the why question unless he was a bible basher .
Peter Browne lol peter, the majority of science is driven by why questions broken down into what or how questions. The only reason anyone would have a disdain for why questions is because they assume that why questions require purpose alone. Yet they don’t see that all what and how questions require looking at the physical world with purpose. So to ask questions like “why is their light” might seem like a question about philosophy, but one could also see it as trying to ask bigger questions about the fundamental nature of the world. Maybe the why within the system can help us understand more about the nature of particles. Also, religious individuals can still answer what or how questions with God, so I think the whole split between what how and why questions in order to avoid philosophically religious thought is nonsense.
Knowing how something works gives us the ability to exploit it for our benefit. Knowing why something works teaches us how not just to simulate something, but to truly recreate it and to manipulate it in ways we have yet to even imagine.
You didn't listen very well, then. We can perfectly describe how gravity works and make predictions all day long. Asking something beyond like "WHY does matter/energy curve spacetime and not do something else entirely" or other down-the-rabbit-hole questions in the context of purpose is meaningless. If it's in the name of curiosity, then sure. But many people ask questions like that seeking some sort of purpose which is not what science discovers, nor does it really have any bearing on our ability to use scientific results. That's why stuff like that is left to philosophers.
We know "how it works", and "why" it behaves the way it does from a physics perspective, but we don't have a metaphysical, or theological concept of "why does it do that" a.k.a "what's the purpose of it"
This is really disappointing to see neil reach into his ego for a few minutes and then tell Joe he should stop asking why things happen (or at least that it's "just fine" that he wants to keep asking while implying it's fairly pointless to do so). There was a time when I wouldnt believe Neil would treat a genuine question with such hostility. In the words of trump "SAD" lol
Wtf? Neil seems very unstable here. It really makes no sense that he got defensive. Joe was genuinely curious, just like I was, and Neil disappointed us all by going on a crazy rant about why, how, philosophy and Venice Muscle Beach.
He's an intense guy, he's always been like that if you watch debates from a decade ago. He wasn't angry though, they were joking about stuff and laughing. Not everything is a battle.
he doesn't seem angry to me, it's more like his brain is scrambling really hard to articulate exactly how he feels about the subject but can't quite get it into words perfectly. what I think he wanted to say was basically this: if you ask why a water bottle fell off the table, you can start asking why from anywhere then just ask why over and over again and eventually you WILL hit a point where you can ask why again but it can't really be answered in a meaningful way. try it with these basic questions: why is the sky blue? why am I hungry? science can pretty much answer these questions as satisfactorily as anyone would ever care to know, yet you could continue to ask why. so even if Neil could answer why gravity works, you could just ask why to his answer, and he wouldn't know. or maybe he would, but then you could once again ask why. and he's basically trying to say that at some point scientists no longer care to keep digging past that, because asking why at that point doesn't seem to benefit science in any meaningful way anymore. and as a scientist, it's understandable to be a little bit flustered by someone who isn't a scientist and might seem to be just asking a harmless why question, but the underlying issue Neil has here is that the question bears no real purpose. this is what i got from the video at least.
Neil doesn't like to think on how complex and perfectly everything works together and seemed designed, yet denies God creating it.... especially when he doesn't know the full how like with Gravity
I think Neil hates the fact that he doesn't know what the 'fabric' of space actually is...that curved thing we ride on (In his head he's like "Nobody knows...don't ask me you bald f****r"!!!!)
@@philproffitt8363 I think what he hates more is that he doesn't have any answer other than "We (the scientists) don't know", and for the arrogant person he became after years of popularity, where he always had some answer, that's very upsetting.
How could he have gone with much more finesse? He literally just answered the questions. It's just a bit hard to answer the same question 15 time because Joe keeps asking. And then Joe didn't understand the example he gave so he got all whatever.
Dude he answered how not why. He kept saying with the how we answer the why and that’s not how shit works lol so he got defensive and it is so obvious compared to other interviews. There is no answer and that pains.
Almost reminds me of some dad that accidentally figured out how to fix something. Now when asked about it he just gets upset like " dont worry about that! I fixed it didn't I? "
Honestly seeing this video multiple times now, I can understand the frustration of Neil as well of Joe. Neil is saying that there’s pretty much a point where there’s literally no point in trying to keep figuring out the why is works because it could be way far from our knowledge but still making sense that for right now there’s no point in keep trying to understand more of it if we have understood it enough to know how to use it and how it works. I side 50% with Neil there. Now my other 50% is with Joe in the sense that I really believe that for us to ever even reach such fantasies(right now) of traveling at the speed of light and travel planets and galaxies at an extreme velocity(safely) we MUST keep asking how and why gravity is what it is. Maybe also the path into understanding dark matter more as well. I’m no physicist so obviously no expert in the matter but both make sense to me. If science has reached a certain place where we can’t understand more about gravity then I guess it’s just a waiting game on the spawn of a brain in which can further understand and reach new knowledge of the universe.
CChissel because he is lying and he knows it. Check out how he tried to get his nephew a music deal when asked to disprove flat earth. Instead of explaining it he created a rap battle. 🙄 #actors
How come none of these guys Joe interviews can explain why the earth isn’t flat? like wtf! Just f”n use your brain and high IQ and elite wisdom to explain it damnit! Wtf are you wetarded NDT??
It's difficult not to when the person you're speaking to doesn't understand what you are saying, no matter how simply you break down the answer, and they keep insisting you are not making sense based on their inability to understand basic concepts.
The ball going down the funnel “gravity model” is basically taking 3 dimensional curvature of space and visualizing it in 2D, cause it’s easier to imagine. But u need gravity to pull that ball down the funnel. That model is based on there already being gravity. It doesn’t explain anything. HOW does curvature of space affect mass? (We don’t know shit)
NDT (quite poorly) described that we do know some things about gravity but the "frontier" as he called it is where our answers run out. That's no more or less true then for any other science, eventually enough "why's" will lead you to an "I don't know". I've always thought that the important point is to remember that many of the things we "know" might turn out to be wrong or missing something significant about it, and that many of the "I don't knows" will one day be answered. We aren't at the end of human understanding, and just as science has progressed our understanding of the world over the last two thousand years, people two thousand years from now will call us primitive.
The thing that excited me about joe discussing gravity with NDT now was that joe recently had bob lazar on the podcast, talking about controlling gravity. That’s the reason why I wanna know why gravity works, cuz what if we could bend it or switch it off or something. Joe should have asked him about that stuff
It’s still 3D even though you don’t really need a 3D model to show gravity and I don’t just mean mathematically like equations but visual representations
Exactly my thought. Carrolls entire paradigm seems built of the why's. NDT objectively takes the L on this. Props to YT comments for all knowing his misquoting of Einstein.
@@oghomelesskid Because I prefer real science as opposed to main stream, dumbed down, sometimes no based on actual science (Im looking at you Bill Nye) "science" This video is a perfect exemple of why I don't like him, he gets mad at somebody asking why. Science is all about asking questions, never being satisfied with the answer. If you want faith, stick to organised religion.
@@oghomelesskid So we are clear, Im not saying that he's not good at what he's doing, I personally just dont like that form of media but, if it can interest people in science, I applaud that. I see him as, hopefully a gateway to hard science.
Yeah well why not say SHUT UP he should cause obviously god or the simulator wants us to live happy and we can't cook food that has to be cooked to eat and veggies/fruits/nuts and fooking how do we plook each other floating around. Joe thinks well but living things can just exist lots of us so many we are crushed against each other so plooking is no problem or actually not needed if we are immortal cause I'm sure Joe questions why that is also so gotta do away with mortality so nothing dies unless we starve to death and of course water but no problem cause it's everywhere floating splashing against us so we open our mouths and drink and god/the simulator could've not let protein exist or if it does we don't need it to live I'm sure Joe wants to know why we need it so do away with that so no need to kill animals LOL I mean Joe just doesn't see the point of a good god/simulator just a evil one perfectly fine for him as long as there is plenty of weed/dmt to use to get so high he gets stuck in the sky . :P
I am not certain that is accurate. It's like asking WHY is the electron negatively charged? WHY is the proton positively charged? WHY is the neutron neutrally charged? We simply understand through years of research and experiments that they are. We also know how they interact within an atom. Since there is a known functional behavioural testable model of interaction, what does a WHY question further buy you?
@@jewulo, NO NO NO. Its NOT just an "understanding". Absolute non sense. He just said GRAVITY caused the BIG BANG. If you can believe the big bang is real. You can believe literally anything. I believe unicorns are real, don't tell me they don't, EVERYONE knows unicorns are real, but just accept it.
@@toowongfoo5479 Whose nonsense is absolute? Mine or Neil deGrasse Tyson. I will gladly accept mine to be stupid and nonsensical. I read stuff that the Scientists say. Not claiming any invention of anything myself. science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/science-questions/gravity-big-bang.htm. I can accept being a nonsense peddler but gravity plays a role in the Big Bang according to the science of it.
@@toowongfoo5479 I was under the understanding that the BIG BANG is simply an explanation for what is observable about the universe. There is nothing to justify that unicorns exist. There are no horse like creatures with horns or wings running or flying about. Unless I have gotten the flying part of it wrong.
@@jewulo, there is NOTHING on earth that can resemble a big bang. It is a "theory". Nothing more. Can you make NOTHING into SOMETHING anywhere on earth. Just POOF! Really...you believe this. And not only that, gravity (which has in FACT, NEVER been proven) caused the big bang. So now not only is the big bang impossible. Gravity was somehow around before the big bang happened. Wow. Just wow.
Joe: Why does gravity exist?
Neil: Well, why are you bald?
lmao
He didn’t have an answer so he became petty 😂😂😂😂
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I believe that the temperature of the universe has a huge part to play in gravity and how electromagnetic waves conduct themselves. Watch the video in the link below, that metals superconducting temp is 92 Kelvin and the universe is 2.73 Kelvin imagine the superconducting properties of the ozone being cooled to 2.73 Kelvin that's probs why we don't get alot of radiation from the sun and why certain WIMP particles will never be found passing through our planet! Id like to ask Neil about this
ua-cam.com/video/JIjzJKnpahA/v-deo.html
Joe's hair follicles are more sensitive to the effects of gravity, it pulls the hair towards earth, thus preventing it from growing upwards out of his head...
"But you seem oddly defensive about something that's scientific" LOL
🤦🤦 YES
@Al Garnier Neil was condescending in many parts. Neil might have been genuinely trying to help, but that just means he's a genuine asshole. Just because "Why" isnt obtainable through science, dosen't mean its not something you can't ask a scientist... he didnt have to answer as a scientist... and then he went on to make the worst point he could, which is "good enough" science. We understand it good enough and the things we don't know aren't important... i hope i dont need to explain why its bad for a scientist to say that
@@warpath8453 you don't understand what neil was saying... neil is saying there is an Infinite philisplophical never ending ever receding asking of "Why" like a child you can keep asking why til the end of the universe. It matter what "Why" you are satified with... Purpose is spiritual or theological which has NOTHING to do with science. You find meaning on your own, but in the mean time we will keep discovering HOW things happen in our universe. He is NOT saying to stop dicovery... he is saying we can eventually discover the true reason WHY life exists... and you will still have people... asking why.... there has to be a point of satisfaction with why so you can move on and KEEP DISCOVERING
@Al Garnier Joe clearly wasnt asking for a purpose, Neil knows fully well Joe wasnt. Joe was simply curious. Neil knew he lost his point.
@@warpath8453 who said you cant obtain why from science? The fuck? Science answers why all the time. But science cant stop people from asking why again.
Joe Rogans head is the curvature of space and time
LoL
G G Phahahhaha😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@fakechloe207 some say it's causing gravitational waves as well
Gold
@@aragone8650 lol
Joe:"isn't it crazy how strong gravity is as a force"
Neil: "isn't it crazy how shiny your bald head is"
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🤣 damn 🤣
No way 😂
Neil: Science is always asking why
Joe: Why
Neil: Shut up
Dr: R u still gon ask me why there is gravity?????
Hahahahahahhahahhahahaha
Yes but not in a phylosophical way, science asks why to the unexplained facts presented by physics, why can we usually see a spectrum of seven colors? Why can we see colors? Why did this apple fall on my head? And to those common sense facts we get explanations, because the material has properties that absorb part of the white light it gets, but not all, because the reflection of the light in the objects can reach our eyes and so we see it (I haven't studied science in a while, so sorry if this explanation is a little blurry), because there was a force called gravity that was acting on the apple, those why's are scientific why's, but if you ask, why are there colors, why is there gravity, that is more of a job for phylosophy, and you will end up asking why is there life, and will know nothing
It's just the way things are, that's what I usually go with
gonçalo Baia shut up its funny
@@BluntBrazenCurt_Evolved yes it is, but I figured a minimumly intelligent comment was better than a presence-marking "Hahaha"
he answered question 3 times , from the first one it was obvious what he was talking about , yet you expected him to say what? that he doesn't know answer on question no one can , at least now .
Wow. Neil got so pissed off of Joe from asking why, he started calling him bald.
Underrated 😂😂😂😂
I think Neil was getting somewhat agitated because he kept trying to explain that at some point the "why" question is irrelevant. But I'm not sure why Neil feels that way. Who knows what could come out of an even deeper understanding of why/how gravity bends spacetime. Especially if we somehow figure out how to reverse it counteract it. This could be huge for future space travel, no? Wasn't that the whole plot to Interstellar?
@@Wizznilliam yes, some scientists still question the validity of gravity, it doesnt make sense completely in some pieces. What Neil did here is he is closing the conversation on the theory of gravity, if I recall correctly, this is not how the scientific method works. Infact this is very detrimental to it.
This is similar to the God argument religious people use. Its a real shame.
I also think Joe made a brilliant counter argument agains neils analogy between hair follicles and gravity, which simply was "we know a lot more about hair follicles than we know gravity" (thus its ok to dig deeper and ask more questions).
Based on tone of voice Joe seemed way more agitated than DeGrasse and I don't particularly care for him normally, but in this convo Joe irked me. DeGrasse was right in that we understand gravity to a fine enough degree to land interplanetary shit. People still by and large go bald if their genes say so ..which thing is manipulated to a greater degree by humanity then?
@@missionpupa your getting tired of these people too, huh? Lol
Roe Jogan: Y
Geil neDrasse Tyson: fuck you. *You bald*
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he sounds real educated dont he...
rogan believes in god
It took Neil a good 10 minutes to just say “I don’t know”
He answered the question though, by saying that Gravity is the curvature of space and time. He said "I don't know" when he got asked "why is gravity the curvature of space and time?" Which is basically the same as being asked "why is gravity gravity?". The first question was "what really is gravity?". And Neil answered. And then he basically got asked "why is reality this way and not another way?". I think the confusion derived from the fact that the concept of gravity is hard to understand: it is a curvature sure, the same as a ramp at a skateboard park, but you cannot perceive it. You can't see it. Cuz it's in 4D, per say. But just because you can't picture it in your head, doesn't mean you don't know what it is. Neil knows cause it's his field, many people didn't really understand it I think.
@@TrevorAndSky Neil did not give a sufficient answer for Joe and for many people. It was very frustrating to view this clip as Neil continuously talked about the fact that we know 'enough' about gravity to get us to land on Mars for example. Neil did not explain what is the accepted theory in physics at the moment about how particles get their mass to create the curvature of space time. He just rambled about how what we know is enough and that is not an acceptable answer for a physicist. Neil showed his bad side with this podcast.
Actually he said it at the top of when he started talking he said "we don't know why gravity works we know we are limited to it's properties." It's better to keep asking how questions than why questions
@@bulcius he literally we said we don't know why gravity works 🤦🏻♂️ you guys aren't particularly.....equipped to understand what he was saying
Dude is a complete freak. He makes me super uncomfortable
I didn’t know where this was going, he got kinda angry while basically talking to himself. 😂😂😂
He doesnt like being questioned. He wants us to believe like blind faith.
@@007VitaminD
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@@007VitaminD No... he's been on before, and he was never like this. He was always open to answering questions
Lmao! Dude, Joe was over it. He kept interrupting Joe, so I image Joe just bowed out. Like, "dude, why are you preaching right now? I'm TRYING to have a conversation."
A renowned astrophysicist does not want to ever admit "Well, we really don't know".
*Joe:* "But isn't it still interesting to..."
*Neil:* "You are bald and your hair is never coming back."
@@TV-cn3tf no it makes sense cuz he is bold for having a bald head🤯
Eliazar Perez good troll baby😎
@@TrueWarlordMafia Thank you glad to see my craft being respected for once. ✌✊
Eliazar Perez uwu Have a good one g
Ha he changed it 😘
“The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.”
Einstein
what a revolutionary thought, the more i explore the more i realize how much i haven't explored
Wasn't that Socrates?
shit hits me in my soul
Me too
@@raymondz595 look it up. the quote from socrates is different.
The best part of this video is when Joe presses him about being defensive about the question.
😂😹
Yup we really don’t understand it !
Very sus
Yep. . . .Narcissism is one hell of a drug
Its hard to watch somebody i held in such high regard act like a that. Its like he took something before hand that ended up effectinf his mood hes normally arrogant, but not rude like that
Why does gravity exist?
Neil: mind your own business, boy.
Aterhallsam why does gravity exist is the wrong question.
@@XeLProductions Why is it the wrong question?
Jamston Julian Because theism
he didnt ask why gravity exists, he asked what is gravity. why gravity exists is a dumb questions to ask.
Feralz exactly!
The interview in few words.
Joe: What is gravity?
Niel: A curve in space and time.
Joe: Why?
Niel: You are bald.
Joe: I remind you that I go to the gym regularly.
Well, that escalated quickly
Hahah
Somehow it turned into hair follicles
Joe got pretty tight lmao.
Joe: "WHAT is gravity?"
Neil: *rants about asking "WHY"*
WHY is the force that causes intelligent people to question things! Why do the planets do this instead of that is what caused Copernicus and Kepler to question the motion of the planets.
I thought I was the only person who noticed that
So he knows why but not what. So he doesn't know.
Neil: rants about Joe’s baldness
@@thedonn4719I think you need to listen again. And that’s not a insult, it just takes a minute to digest.
I would have greatly preferred a video of Joe Rogan and Gravity tackling Neil deGrasse Tyson.
🤣🤣🤣
That's really clever because of characters involved.
Classic Gravity move
Lol boo this man
"I don't know", would have been an acceptable answer Neil.
He couldn't do that. "I'm good with this... I GOT THIS!!!"
but he does know.. to an extent.. how far back do you want to go? All the way back to "why is there anything?"?
exactly
He seemed irritated this podcast.
In other interviews he was asked the same question.., and laughingly said he didn't know. The only "why" that troubles me is "why" was NDT so triggered
A convo of two men really saying “farrrk you” behind fake smiles
Yeah, pretty much 🤷🏽♂️😂😂
Got the vibe when Neil thought it was a religion rabbit hole lol. After that they seemed cool again tho.
Neil gets a bit edgy any time someone pursues a line of questioning he feels he adequately answered, and Joe doesn`t let shit go if he`s not satisfied with the answers, but I don`t think they`re all like "fuuuuuuuuuckyoooooooo BUDDY!" lol
@@afrog2666 The thing is NDT does not get edgy when someone pursues yadda yadda. He gets edgy here specifically, because while he adequately explained multiple times, Joe tries to present it as if he is avoiding to answer. NDT again explains that he has answered, that we do know what gravity is, we just don't know the philosophical "why". Joe basically keeps asking rabbit hole questions, which don't lead to a what, but basically to a "why", and he does not even understand that he is doing that. This is what is frustrating about it to NDT, and I fully sympathize with him.
@@orestispalampougioukis6043 he is edgy, because he's a scientist first and foremost. If he feels questions are superfluous, he will probably be quick to say so. Nevertheless, we are limited in understandings of many things, and this can frustrate us, and NDT is no different. Also, theological questions are not often welcomed by scientists, which "why" could hint at, and in that case is fundamentally different to "how".
My dad's a physicist. He always says: "how" is for scientists, "why" is for philosophers. Maybe I'm just used to it, but... it sounds about right to me.
Alex San Lyra
~Nice~
I’m not sure “how” happens without the “why?”.
Alex San Lyra nope science answers both once both can be answered and philosophers do nothing except push the scientist to answer both of these questions furthers
@@joshuaalbert9092 And you're basing that comment based on what? Are you a scientist? Or a philosopher?
Alex San Lyra a biologist with a disdain for people who have to answer everything with a story about how it had to be created. Also I was just being tongue in cheek.
@@joshuaalbert9092 has nothing to do with that. "why" can be answered with science
Joe: but isn’t it still curious?
Tyson: Well you’ve got a bald head. 4:59
Hahaha you got a bald head
he says 'yaaaa'
Was a weird analogy! Seemed like a cheap dig 😂😂
@@scootaymildo1070 i thought the randomness was the point. you can ask why forever about gravity, or balding.
This why we needed Eddie on so he could of quickly said... oh I get it so gravity is like fatness the more you eat your belly starts to curve like the Earth... allegedly 😉
Ndt-😠😵
Can be summed up as follows:
Joe: Why does gravity exist?
Tyson: I don't know and I'm gonna get weird and defensive about it.
No one knows the explanation to the rules of the universe.
I dont think Neil was defensive. He just thinks like a scientist and doesn't go much further than that with gravity. Gravity to me, is related more closely to the miracle of life itself than the math that gets you into a crater in Mars. We are a long ways from understanding the why of why there is life and things like gravity that seem to be present and factors that allow for life.
Shane O Mac theres no reason to ask why to an established objective truth; just as court cases where you don't prove or disprove agreed facts among parties.
The "whys" that are asked for the sole puropose of generating controversy have to be shut down; because that's how you get to flat earth, holocaust denial, space is fake, etc. there isn't any need to have more imbeciles than those that already exist.
@@tefosemanate9514 Yea well, Neils flowery poetry shit & insisting on not asking why just reinforced all of those imbeciles!
I've had elementary school teachers that could have given a more satisfactory conclusion.
t@XY ZW Is it really true that Relativity is unproven garbage? Apparently the GPS wouldn't work properly without accounting for the Mathematics of Relativity. I know that you can do Space Travel without Relativity but simply with Newton but GPS I have heard relies heavily on General Relativity. Or have I heard wrong?
6:23 nailed it, Joe is a genius at interviewing
I liked this one more. 5:44 . It was hilarious to see Neil's face. Genuinely not knowing the answer and then deferring to Einstein's definition which is not even a definition but a description of a framework.
He hasn't been on point like this in a long time... Other than that ep with the cnn robot guy
Joe let him off the hook .The question was what is gravity,not why is gravity
@@kfm908Neil told him what gravity is.
This doesn't sit right with me. When was the last time you heard a scientist say "Stop asking why, just believe."
I don't believe Neil was implying stop asking questions rather lets continue our purpose to see gravity work on a scale we have yet to figure out. It's like having a math question and we all know 1+1=2 and someone standing up with why is 1+1=2. The answer is given so shouldn't we move onto other math equations just as gravity needs to be explored more then just asking the same why question in different context. :)
Science has painted itself into several corners. This is why the number of breakthroughs and discoveries has slowed to a trickle. Gravity is very important to one of them: Dark Matter. 25 years of searching for the stuff and not even a whiff to show for it. Cosmologists are getting very defensive that their knowledge of gravity is complete and perfect. If they admitted that their knowledge is incomplete, the funding might dry up...
Because at the end of the day faith triumphs doubt
Very odd. Plus how he responded re Tesla.
I think what he was trying to say is that even though there's no scientific explanation for why the laws of physics seem to be so arbitrary, you don't necessarily have to know the why in order to understand the other things that depend on them. Kind of like back before people could go around the world to prove that it's round, the ancient Greeks could still calculate the circumference of the earth using just the sun and trigonometry. It's just the way he said it made him seem like a dick for no reason
"How dare this bald MMA nut outsmart me? im Neal Degrasse Tyson"
I think when Joe kept asking why, that's a very common question religitards ask when they are trying to say that behind it all stands God. It's an argument they always use, and from videos I've seen of Neil they've asked him that countless times, and I'm sure in his personal life people have asked him a lot too. All I'm trying to say is that that question gets annoying after a while, I'm annoyed of it of just seeing Neil deal with it countless times in videos. I'm guessing he's probably heard it most of his life so I totally understand why he lost his cool a little bit, I knew the reason right away. Also he didn't know Joe's agenda, he thought he was religious, but when Joe told Neil that he isn't, and the purpose of Joe's question wasn't coming from there at all, Neil backed off as you can see in the video.
You thinking that the amount of times someone comments something is proof of anything is proof that you're a fucking brain-dead.
@@1Peasant Honestly, it is a little pathetic to keep copy-pasting the same comment everywhere. However, the point the comment makes is quite good. The reason most religious people ask "Why" is to smuggle God into the scientific explanatory regress. It's taking advantage of the fact that all science is based on assumptions, and there is always a deeper "why" behind those assumptions, so no matter how much science progresses and explains why stuff happens, God will be the why behind that why. It's a disgusting trick.
@@johnnyk5385 If that's true, then the fact that the KKK exists is proof all Protestants are murderers and rapists. Congratulations.
@@bakarenibsheut12 Shut up yoy utter and complete moron.
Pretty sure "spooky action at a distance " was Einstein's quote decrying quantum entanglement. Not Newton explaining why gravity works.
Yup. That's exactly what Einstein meant.
Yes, Spooky Action at a Distance was an Einsteinian quote but the concept of action at a distance was a very big and defining limit to Newtons descriptions of Gravity.
Newton didn't have the concept of "space-time" being a fabric, he thought of space as a vacuum only, so he wrestled with and failed to answer a mechanism for gravity, he could only make predictions of how it would manifest. He couldn't think of a way for two objects that aren't sharing a medium of something else to affect one another, to him it was action at a distance.
What NDT was clumsily trying to say was that when Einstein described the concept of "space/time' and that Mass and energy can curve it, we no longer needed a concept of action at a distance for gravity, we had a medium, it was space/time itself.
@@launchsquid wow. Well said. So when Einstein used the " spooky action at a distance" line, was he actually incorporating Newton's "action at a distance " line in order to throw shade at Niels Bohr's quantum physics thesis?
@@blindspotspotter.2352 Einstein famously thought Quantum entanglement was impossible. He believed the universe to followed the principle of locality and that quantum entanglement broke that principal.
Einstein rejected the older alternative of action at a distance, such as Newton had invoked when he tried to explain how he saw gravity influencing objects that were unconnected and in a vacuum with no interconnecting medium.
Einstein later showed the warping of spacetime was the mechanism for gravity and the connecting medium between celestial objects was spacetime itself.
Because Einstein believed any particle or energy state could only be influenced by another particle or energy that is causally linked to it he rejected the notion that action at a distance was a thing.
Quantum entanglement allows for two particles to influence one another over infinite distances instantaneously, despite no obvious causal link, so Einstein dubbed it spooky action at a distance as a way to deride it.
NDT is so full of shit. "Why do you want to know what gravity is, isn't it enough that current theories work!?" He sounds like a science denier.
Joe: "why is there gravity?"
Neil: "Do you ever wonder why is your head bold"
lol Joe did get Neil on the edge of an anger attack
seemed like it
Well imagine being as intelligent as NDT and trying to explain that concept to Joe "I know, but I dont know..." Rogan. I mean even if you've ever tried to teach someone whose new on a job it can be infuriating. Somehow at 60 years old Joe is still new on life and needs a lot of this stuff explained to him lol.
@@OurBlackFriend Joe isn't any different than all humans asking for answers. Neil is in a "greater" position to provide a little more insight however on the grand scale even tyson doesn't have the ability to propel our knowledge of anything more vast than 11% of our unlocked brain. For example how to worm holes work in the universe? why haven't we found a way to live too 170 years old? Why has climate change been on the four front lately when for billions of years volcanos erupting gives off far more carbon damage than anything humans have done in our small real 400 years of industrial earth damage
Alex Stoll I enjoy teaching new people on the job and I also enjoy learning and asking why. Maybe you’re just an asshole. Get off that pedestal you’ve put yourself on.
Alex Stoll joe is like 49 he’s no where near 60
Never let him babysit a 4 year old
😁 right
Why?
@@Guppusmaximus he wont let him ask WHY
@@Itsopvious why?
Guppusmaximus because all young children do is ask “Why?”. They’ll ask why? about the same topic 50 times and just never stop. It’d drive Neil crazy
Don’t ever stop asking why.
NDT is basically describing religion and in essence, it makes science -- at least in this example -- a religion upon itself.
Why?
@@jamesthen1nja cause he said.
@@JonnyUnderrated why?
@hahagotcha!!!! Thats true .if you keep asking why then eventually you will reach a point where no one is going to be able to answer your questions
Joe Rogan starting to look like Professor X
LOLOL, whos X? idk but that sounds funny
Now all he needs is to somehow get his legs crippled.
😂😂😂
@@Tizon_Eclipse From the X-men franchise.
Get Joe Rogan for the MCU!
I have a feeling this will be the last time Neil is on the show.
F
After that I hope so but I also see is stupid view he went about it the wrong way
Need more of Brian Cox and less of NDT
@Jerf Hankell I found you Neil
Jerf Hankell you eat shit
Joe: “Why does gravity exist?”
Neil: *WHY ARE YOU BALD*
-Joe: you are being defensive.
-Neil: why?
Owned.
😂
Neil's energy this entire podcast was weirdly uncomfortable to watch. Noticeably different from what we've seen of him over the years. Joe felt it, handled it well
I think he was nervous because he was wondering the whole time if Joe was going to bring up anything about the sexual harassment incident that happened.
He's edgy is this one for sure. Maybe he was on coke or needed to be laid
I'm glad Joe kept pushing. As Penn Jillet podcast recently pointed out, if you are intelligent enough, you can argue any point. But it doesn't mean you are right.
I definitely know Neil is intelligent.
But he doesn't want to go deep into certain questions and is very good at changing topics whilst not looking like he is.
Neil kept going to philopsical purpose whereas Joe just wanted the science but he couldn't go that deep into it because science is based on results and not necessarily understanding to the point degree of Joe's essential point of question.
MockTubeLOL
Because Neil doesn’t have an answer so he just twisted some words. He’s too proud to say he just doesn’t know
I'm with Neil on this one. Joe's questioning was going down the path of meaning and purpose. Joe was lazy with his words. And Neil had an excellent point that your WHY questions can get reduced down to very fundamental components where the WHY questions are meaningless. Joe could not follow this line of thinking/logic at all.
@@methdxman Joe's question was "What gives Matter Mass?" Tyson heard "Why does mass bend space?" Same diff, Tyson got flustered
If you cant explain something in less 1 or 2 sentences, then you don't understand it well enough to teach it.
FenixDown147 the saying is “if you can’t explain it, you can’t teach it.” There’s no sentence limit on that saying.
Also, that’s all it is - a saying. It’s not a truism.
Neil: Why did you go bald?
This is the last time we will see him in JRE
YTglobersan Globersan hope not, idk why joe has to choose to oppose guests sometimes. Once he’s decided nothing can change his mind. Why argue with a specialist ya know? Generally joe asks questions and enjoys learning but he isn’t that open minded when it comes to science.
@@Corntron5000 Because that's what you're SUPPOSED to do. Ask questions in order to understand better.
NomadicEmcee explaining gravity to a non physicians isn't easy. Its like a doctor telling a patient how cells work snd disease. It will take to long,
@@hellotheir1427 If you cant explain the basics of gravity to someone then you dont understand it. Thats why questions get asked. You explain the basics and if they want to know more they will prompt you to go more in depth by asking questions.
Gravity is a force that pulls all bodies with mass together.
Boom, gravity explained. It is explained at a basic level but if they want to know more they prompt with questions
Ninpeg This podcast isn't an education video. Neil didn't get invited by Joe so he can get explained in detail about the laws of physics. He got invited to advertise his book and have a high-level conversation about physics.
- Why did you bang the table?
- Because you won't stop asking me why
He got pissed for some reason...he called Joe bald, middle aged and fat...all that was missing was a yo Momma joke
Doesn’t like that he doesn’t know the answer
This whole conversation was strange. Neil is losing credibility in my book. I saw a clip of him comparing rock climbing on a mountain abroad to scaling important man made buildings. Explaining how some regions people don’t like westerners rock climbing on their sacred mountains. He went on to say something like that.. “how would a westerner feel about someone repelling down (whatever building of importance he suggested)” I can’t remember exactly which buildings he listed but the argument is absolute horse shit. Comparing an actual mountain that is formed in nature to a man made building in a heavily populated area is just ridiculous
@@dylanlol3501 lol ppl can be wrong why does that tiny arguement affect his credibility
@zwiebelblumen whoa easy on the fascism there... dudes just a little excited.
😂😂😂
My boy Eddie going to have a field day with this..
My name is Eddy I'm ready
@VFT - WHAT?? That's because Eddie is a moron who doesn't care if he can prove his own beliefs.
Spooky action at a distance was what Einstein said about quantum entanglement. Not what newton said about gravity
exactly
I posted same shit! Wtf
Johnathon Washburn he actually explains this in one of his books that wasn’t his point
Johnathan Washburn.. Thank You .... exactly what I thought
was just about to post the same comment
Joe: Why is there gravity.
Neil: Why are you asking me that?
Lecturer: Write a research paper on why gravity exists.
Neil: Why am I in this class?
Neil trying to explain gravity to Joe is like Joe trying to explain to Eddie why the earth is round
Down The Rabbit Hole , Yea, after this podcast I am starting to think this whole gravity theory is wrong. Maybe its just density....
One hell of a comment sir 10 out of 10
@@gial8862 Or maybe you don't know wtf you're talking about and you never finished high school. That seems far more likely.
i actually really enjoyed the banter and super insightful
But he didnt explain what gravity is i think joe braught this up because in a way gravity enforces life
Props for joe for keeping his cool throughout this whole thing 😂😂
His stomach is rumbling must be hangry you should have fed him first joe so his not so defensive. Choke him out joe.
Mike B yeah and get sued badly... it aint relevant
Yeah, props for Joe! Tyson is annoying af!
@Cinozzz NDT brings much more to life than stoned joe Rogan
Rogan is a peasant in the presence of NDT
Joe knows his place.
. Na just a dummy asking questions and the teacher getting the same question over and over. Props to Neil if anybody foh
Props to Joe for maneuvering through this extremely patronizing attitude. Joe is a very smart guy.
He did a magnificent job.
I concur
Joe is like a child.No respect for neil.And when neil respond he mocks him with ta ta ta and raises eyebrows.But i guess since joe spoke to other astropysicist he is smarter then neil.smh
@@luissantiago874 no, joe is a guy thats not intimidated. He was a fighter for a living. Titles, acclimations, dont matter. In the end, he knows he could probably beat ur ass. Working in tandem with that, hes a fairly intelligent person. I love NGT, but Joe had the right of it. And hes not afraid to express it.
Joe's great, but he's a borderline sped.
Actually, "spooky action at a distance" was coined by Albert Einstein. He was refering to the quantum mechanics phenomena of Entanglement.
When will people comprehend that entire science is just a human's honest response to their own incompetence to fully comprehend the true nature of Nature?
Thanks, was looking for this reply.
Thank you, it left me puzzled since he was quoting Newton, who obviously wrote in English, but "spooky" was not an English word back then.
Entanglement ? I knew that word meant something else besides Jada Smith fucking August Alsina
that is true , that quote is Einstein's , but it was the critics of newton that first identified the problem of action at a distance .
NDT got so mad he started attacking Joe about his hair.
Lol, I couldn't get past that interpretation either.
He was mad? I heard a lot of laughing....Maybe you want him to be angry?
@@TheAstraeuss He was noticeably irritated. Even Joe said he was being defensive.
@@Vic2point0 I didn't see it that way. Neil is a passionate guy and his enthusiasm can sometimes come across as anger if you're not familiar with Neil's style of communication. Lol Joe is a moron.
@@TheAstraeuss Except that Neil has been on his show before and it looked very different. Joe even specified exactly what seemed to be the catalyst for Neil's defensiveness this time around.
My god Niel seems offended. He's attacking Joe's baldness. That was hysterical.
It's just that Niel's attitude about "why" questions has been jaded over time by religious nut jobs that usually end up invoking the a "god of the gaps" argument every time a science discussion moves to the frontiers of current understanding. He explained this. Quite frankly, if I was him and that is what was really happening, I would have been getting frustrated as well with that kind of William Lane Craig bullshit.
@@BrianPaul1984 Yup, this is why scientists just have to disengage from religious nut jobs, flat earthers, and the like. Ignore them. Engaging them as a credible scientist just lends them an air of credibility. It's just not healthy for people who really understand the science. It's a waste of their intellect. Leave the Flat Earthers and creationists to us semi-educated grunts on UA-cam comments and Reddit where we can just have fun with them and walk away when we get bored. I actually learn things engaging these people. It forces me to look up and refresh on topics I would otherwise just forget from school.
Thats not what offended is.
I hate to reply to this stuff. But this will be fun. Science is a whore.
@@yarnosh you idiots separate science from religion as if there isn't religious scientists.
Give him some DMT Joe... Let's get his perspective after the trip
The fuck is the JRE following just a DMT cult now lol. *it's time, he's ready for the vision* 😂
Tyson might just tell us everything about everything ever. Whooaaaaaa
Neil would then be woke. He would evolve past humanity
Bruh Neil would be so humble and confused I’d love it. He’s probably just get done and looks at Joe and be like “That’s pretty cool” and just move on😂
@@IllyrianStrength Nice one!
Neil was way more interested in letting Joe know that he's intelligent than anything Joe was trying to have a conversation about lol then when Neil got called out, it was a slippery slope of him being defensive as hell the rest of the way lol
Holy fuck you are dumb
Newton didn't say "spooky action at a distance" , Einstein said it refering to Quantum entanglement.
Maybe drunk?
NdT has said a few scientific things that were actually terrifically inaccurate during his career, and you are correct about what Einstein said about Quantum Entanglement.
Newton did refer to gravity as an "action (a force) at a distance" and it is quite a curious force because we don't know how it works fundamentally despite being able to predict how it will affect bodies in our Universe. I think we can give him a pass on this one because he might have been drinking or smoking with Joe prior to the broadcast...
Totally.
Newtob said " action at a distance" and that's what neil said when he was referring to gravity listen closely ppl he didn't say "spooky action at a distance"
@@chhimi4025 2:06 NDT does say Newton said "spooky action at a distance, fast forward 300 years to Einstein..."
Neil deGrasse Tyson says allot without saying much at all
Sneintzville yep
Maybe he should be a politician, that's 99% of the job.
Pseudo-scientist
@@tinomts Ehhh, quite the stretch.
@@jackpen5341 The guy literally attacked Joe verbally for asking a question he couldn't answer. Hardly a beacon of intellect
Joe: What is gravity?
Tyson: Why are you pestering me with purpose?
Tyson has no clue
@@billmoyer3254 uhhh what? I think he pretty clearly explained a firm understanding of it.
@@nonenone5326 what is conservative about it? I genuinely wonder if we watched the same video. He says he has no clue, but Neil Degrasse Tyson has studied gravity in every conceivable way our technology allows and admits that any new knowledge is "the frontier" how can you say he doesnt know anything?
I think tyson got defensive because every day on twitter he has to defend basic scientific knowledge to retards who say "but what is the purpose of gravity" or "but why is it doing that" as if that invalidates hundreds of years of compiled research. As if the scientists dont ask those exact questions to themselves all the time, but instead of wasting time looking for a moral purpose to the universe they devote their lives to quantifying the underlying mechanisms.
No, he asked why is gravity
Tyson could not answer that, he just kept talking in circles
@@twoOfThemThangs he didnt talk in circles, he explained why it is a logical dead end to ask "why" a fundamental force of the universe exists. The questions of "why" any fundamental force exists or "why" life exists is not a question that science is even attempting to explain. He VERY clearly explained that science is only to and CAN ONLY explain the HOW as our technology and understanding deepens. Asking "why" something exists is a philosophical question that cannot be proven or disproven with logic or the scientific method. He isnt saying "i dont know" because again.... he is clearly saying "i dont care"
Funnily enough Nobel Prize winner Richard Feynman once had almost the exact same conversation in an interview, except he was asked about magnetism. (You can easily find that on youtube by searching "Richard Feynman. Why.") He also struggeled a bit to explain how a physicist views this sort of question. But in my opinion the most helpful quote from that interview was: "When you are explaining a Why, you have to be in some framework that you allow something to be true. Otherwhise you are perpetually asking why."
Joe: Why does gravity work?
Niel: why don’t you understand?
Joe: why are you defensive?
Niel: why are you bald?
Joe: Why does gravity always win?
Niel: why do you even have this show?
Edit by popular demand: *Neil* not Neil. ....poeple these days....
Edit v2: For those who didn't understand the word 'people' was mispeled on purpuse....you lack a cense of humur.
Why do you spell Neil “Niel”?
jakeman025 🤣
Who`s "Niel"?
Good comment, but his name is literally in the title, lol..
Still get a like..
Almost spit out my drink lol.
Why do we even exist?
...you got bald 👨🦲 hair
Neil deGrasse Tyson
At least joe has the spine to call out NDT. Most people would’ve just caved because “big brain man says no more questions”.
Joe wouldnt dare call someone out whose an expert of their field, unless Joe wad absolutely sure he knew what he was talking about. Luckily he did.
"Why? Because it IS..." Which just goes to show how teachers are scared to admit "We don't know". But they'll give students hell over using that exact same response, "Because it IS".
@@PATTHECATMCD I thought it was funny at the end when Joe, asked him for the last time "Do we know what gravity is?", and instead, Neil says, "No, were working on it." If he just said that earlier, it wouldve been over right there.
Haha LMFAO poeple stoopid FR FR!!!
true that
I wish Neil would have explained his perspective about how we might begin to manipulate gravity in the future
Joe: Why is gravity?
Neil: why you bald?
Joe: you seem to be getting frustrated by the act of asking "why"
Neil: no im not
Joe: yes you are
Neil: no im no.... *turns into The Hulk.*
When a smart dude forgets how to say, "I don't know".
@Tom 1592009 You don't ask "how is the earth round" you ask "why is the earth round". It's basic grammar. The only reason NDT said it's not productive to ask deeper questions is because he's too stupid to answer them.
@2good2be4gotten Did I damage your fragile worldview? Because you're pretty mad. A tip for you in case you get incensed again, don't just spout ad hominems. Use your brain as well.
@2good2be4gotten Well I certainly hope that makes you feel good, like a big man.
When a dumbass interviewer doesn’t understand the answer. Jesus people are dense as fuck. “You’re a man of science so you should love why questions” he’s not a fucking philosopher...joe was an idiot during this shit lol.
Yes
"How" is just "why" that hasn't happened yet
Why no eddie bravo on this?
Edit: I mean....NDT turned down a debate from eric dubay, i'm not a supporter but why wouldnt he destroy them if he could.
Because flat earth is just a troll
lmao I can only imagine what he would've added to this.
hahagotcha!!!! No he’s not lmao he’s a legend
Because he's an embarrassment.
Because this along with many other channels and UA-cam alone are ran by satanic freemasons and secret societies and they stage and lie about everything. They hide the truth and promote lies
Joe didn’t even ask why . He said “We don’t really know what gravity is.”
Nobody is picking up on this. Neil started with "why" Just to build a foundation for his ranty behavior and ended it with blaming Joe for wanting a purpose to life? cmon now
@@owl4446 When Joe kept asking why, that's a very common question religitards ask when they are trying to say that behind it all stands God. It's an argument they always use, and from videos I've seen of Neil they've asked him that countless times, and I'm sure in his personal life people have asked him a lot too. All I'm trying to say is that that question gets annoying after a while, I'm annoyed of it of just seeing Neil deal with it countless times in videos. I'm guessing he's probably heard it most of his life so I totally understand why he lost his cool a little bit, I knew the reason right away. Also he didn't know Joe's agenda, he thought he was religious, but when Joe told Neil that he isn't, and the purpose of Joe's question wasn't coming from there at all, Neil backed off as you can see in the video.
@@_Nosferatu_ nice copy and paste dude
I’m sure someone’s already pointed this out but Einstein was the one who called it “spooky action at a distance” not Newton
Yeah that sounded off but I didn't check. Wasn't the quote referring to quantum entanglement, non-locality... not gravity?
Yup. Einstein said that in regards to quantum entanglement
Correct.. Newton invented cookies
Yes Einstein was spooky action at a distance
Newton described it as action at distance without the word “spooky” but he did mean it as a spooky action at distance. Because he thought of gravity as an action that doesn’t take any time. It is spooky. According to Einstein the speed of gravity is not spooky and it is equal to speed of light. According to newton if theoretically sun would magically disappear earth would fly out of its orbit instantaneously, where as eisntein say that for eight minutes we would continue following the curved path.
I always thought if Degrasse tackled gravity, it would be his downfall.
His ego has gotten in the way of his growth, happens with everyone eventually
Needs to try some DMT
@Rip van Winkle That statement is vainglorious
@@trinitygodsaint that vanglorious is a word
Joe or Neil?
Yes man, I was thinking that since the first awkward moment at the 2hour video
he got him. he got him good.
“you’re being oddly defensive.”
Neil: well its been a long day............... Baldie.
hE gOT hiM. hE gOt hIm gOoD. Stfu idiot 😂
I don’t see defensive...I see frustration of trying to explain physics without a chalkboard to someone who wouldn’t understand the math in the first place. Why? Because Jesus. Move on? 😂
@@charlesverg2184 Distorted Caps= No credibility.
When Joe kept asking why, that's a very common question religitards ask when they are trying to say that behind it all stands God. It's an argument they always use, and from videos I've seen of Neil they've asked him that countless times, and I'm sure in his personal life people have asked him a lot too. All I'm trying to say is that that question gets annoying after a while, I'm annoyed of it of just seeing Neil deal with it countless times in videos. I'm guessing he's probably heard it most of his life so I totally understand why he lost his cool a little bit, I knew the reason right away. Also he didn't know Joe's agenda, he thought he was religious, but when Joe told Neil that he isn't, and the purpose of Joe's question wasn't coming from there at all, Neil backed off as you can see in the video.
5:42 "we know more about why people go bald than we do about what gravity really is" the most intriguing and interesting assertion I've ever heard Rogan make on behalf of us all
But he is wrong. It is the opposite of what he said
@@glennbarrera8353 Wrong
Man! I thought the same thing!
Best reply rogan made to an extrem intelligent guest ever.
That's because gravity doesn't exist
Tom H Baited
This is even a bigger issue in Quantum Mechanics. We literally have no real clue why it is the way it is, and most scientists don't bother and just claim it's a philosophical question. "Shut up and calculate". Although some like Sean Caroll aren't happy just accepting it.
I believe it was Albert Einstein who said spooky action at a distance, and when he said it he wasn't talking about gravity. He was talking about quantum entanglement.
I concur. And the fact that Neil, an astro physicist, botched that fact goes to show how irrational he was in attempting to answer the question at hand, or defend his non-answer.
@@jefferee2002 His reaction did seem rather peculiar. He gave his reason for the defensive behavior, but I'm not sure I bought it.
jefferee2002 Neil being a fraud is my belief
You are exactly correct. Btw, watching Joe kind of manipulate NDT into a temper tantrum certainly seemed to qualify as spooky action at a distance to me
That's what was thinking
Sounds like he just doesn’t want to say the simple phrase “I don’t know.”
Well he does say theres a point where he stops being able to answer "why".
I think there’s a difference between being passionate about the subject matter and anger. “Why” questions do propose a purpose usually , and for all physicists they are annoying because it does have a diminishing demeanor towards the hundreds of years of hard work by these guys to understand it. It’s like asking”why is there light ?”. It’s a stupid question and is more suited to a religious mentality that panders to the perceived thoughts and actions of imaginary deities . I like Joe but if he actually went and did a PHD in astrophysics he would most definitely not ask the why question unless he was a bible basher .
Neil is always willing to say he doesnt know. But he just didnt want to be embarassed that Joe was right.
Peter Browne lol peter, the majority of science is driven by why questions broken down into what or how questions. The only reason anyone would have a disdain for why questions is because they assume that why questions require purpose alone. Yet they don’t see that all what and how questions require looking at the physical world with purpose. So to ask questions like “why is their light” might seem like a question about philosophy, but one could also see it as trying to ask bigger questions about the fundamental nature of the world. Maybe the why within the system can help us understand more about the nature of particles. Also, religious individuals can still answer what or how questions with God, so I think the whole split between what how and why questions in order to avoid philosophically religious thought is nonsense.
Neil full of bullshit
Seriously? The best answer you have for how gravity works is that "it doesn't make sense to ask the question?" I thought this guy was a scientist.
No he's a paid science puppet
Knowing how something works gives us the ability to exploit it for our benefit. Knowing why something works teaches us how not just to simulate something, but to truly recreate it and to manipulate it in ways we have yet to even imagine.
I'll save you 12 minutes.
Q: How does gravity work?
A: I don't know.
You didn't listen very well, then. We can perfectly describe how gravity works and make predictions all day long.
Asking something beyond like "WHY does matter/energy curve spacetime and not do something else entirely" or other down-the-rabbit-hole questions in the context of purpose is meaningless. If it's in the name of curiosity, then sure. But many people ask questions like that seeking some sort of purpose which is not what science discovers, nor does it really have any bearing on our ability to use scientific results. That's why stuff like that is left to philosophers.
We know "how it works", and "why" it behaves the way it does from a physics perspective, but we don't have a metaphysical, or theological concept of "why does it do that" a.k.a "what's the purpose of it"
The Suns magnetic field is the answer.
This creates the orbit of planets and the spin, the spin creates gravity
Look up Stellar magnetic field.
Jared, Dr. Tyson answered it, you are clearly as stupid as Rogan for not understanding.
@@ANGRYpooCHUCKER Exactly
This is really disappointing to see neil reach into his ego for a few minutes and then tell Joe he should stop asking why things happen (or at least that it's "just fine" that he wants to keep asking while implying it's fairly pointless to do so). There was a time when I wouldnt believe Neil would treat a genuine question with such hostility. In the words of trump "SAD" lol
He's a actor for the NWO
Wtf? Neil seems very unstable here. It really makes no sense that he got defensive. Joe was genuinely curious, just like I was, and Neil disappointed us all by going on a crazy rant about why, how, philosophy and Venice Muscle Beach.
I think his anger is indirectly aimed at theology, since he claims to be quite against tackling questions that lead to purpose
He's an intense guy, he's always been like that if you watch debates from a decade ago. He wasn't angry though, they were joking about stuff and laughing. Not everything is a battle.
Joe should have insisted they smoke some of his fancy shit. Slowed Neil down a little. He is oddly hyper and angry here.
he doesn't seem angry to me, it's more like his brain is scrambling really hard to articulate exactly how he feels about the subject but can't quite get it into words perfectly. what I think he wanted to say was basically this: if you ask why a water bottle fell off the table, you can start asking why from anywhere then just ask why over and over again and eventually you WILL hit a point where you can ask why again but it can't really be answered in a meaningful way. try it with these basic questions: why is the sky blue? why am I hungry? science can pretty much answer these questions as satisfactorily as anyone would ever care to know, yet you could continue to ask why. so even if Neil could answer why gravity works, you could just ask why to his answer, and he wouldn't know. or maybe he would, but then you could once again ask why. and he's basically trying to say that at some point scientists no longer care to keep digging past that, because asking why at that point doesn't seem to benefit science in any meaningful way anymore. and as a scientist, it's understandable to be a little bit flustered by someone who isn't a scientist and might seem to be just asking a harmless why question, but the underlying issue Neil has here is that the question bears no real purpose. this is what i got from the video at least.
Neil doesn't like to think on how complex and perfectly everything works together and seemed designed, yet denies God creating it.... especially when he doesn't know the full how like with Gravity
I didn't know count chocula knew so much about gravity. Man I loved that cereal.
Easily the most passive aggressive interview I've ever seen (on Neil's part)
I can't tell if this comment is serious or not
I think Neil hates the fact that he doesn't know what the 'fabric' of space actually is...that curved thing we ride on (In his head he's like "Nobody knows...don't ask me you bald f****r"!!!!)
@@philproffitt8363 I think what he hates more is that he doesn't have any answer other than "We (the scientists) don't know", and for the arrogant person he became after years of popularity, where he always had some answer, that's very upsetting.
Niel could have gone about those questions with much more finesse. He was indeed defensive
And we really dont undersrand gravity for real. They make string theories for this purpose, it is not just hurr durr bodies move in the curvature.
How could he have gone with much more finesse? He literally just answered the questions. It's just a bit hard to answer the same question 15 time because Joe keeps asking. And then Joe didn't understand the example he gave so he got all whatever.
Dude he answered how not why. He kept saying with the how we answer the why and that’s not how shit works lol so he got defensive and it is so obvious compared to other interviews. There is no answer and that pains.
Says this idiot. Go back to the docks and go unload some shit. Giving you too much credit make my fucking borrito
Here's the how and the why. twitter.com/GeoD43596809/status/1298375364574576641?s=19
Almost reminds me of some dad that accidentally figured out how to fix something. Now when asked about it he just gets upset like " dont worry about that! I fixed it didn't I? "
lmfao...true man true. He has no imagination...he thinks he knows it all
Charlie Rojas lmao
@XY ZW misunderstood. Science works, we just don't always know how.
XY ZW there is no “why.” There is only “how.”
Science isn’t broken.
You sound like a flat earth moron.
@@jaymiddleton1782 science cannot obtain whys... perhaps that's why scientists, or this particular one have such disdain for it.
Honestly seeing this video multiple times now, I can understand the frustration of Neil as well of Joe. Neil is saying that there’s pretty much a point where there’s literally no point in trying to keep figuring out the why is works because it could be way far from our knowledge but still making sense that for right now there’s no point in keep trying to understand more of it if we have understood it enough to know how to use it and how it works. I side 50% with Neil there. Now my other 50% is with Joe in the sense that I really believe that for us to ever even reach such fantasies(right now) of traveling at the speed of light and travel planets and galaxies at an extreme velocity(safely) we MUST keep asking how and why gravity is what it is. Maybe also the path into understanding dark matter more as well. I’m no physicist so obviously no expert in the matter but both make sense to me. If science has reached a certain place where we can’t understand more about gravity then I guess it’s just a waiting game on the spawn of a brain in which can further understand and reach new knowledge of the universe.
No such thing as gravity
When Neil is asked something he doesn’t know how to answer, he gets a bit upset.
CChissel because he is lying and he knows it. Check out how he tried to get his nephew a music deal when asked to disprove flat earth. Instead of explaining it he created a rap battle. 🙄
#actors
How come none of these guys Joe interviews can explain why the earth isn’t flat? like wtf! Just f”n use your brain and high IQ and elite wisdom to explain it damnit! Wtf are you wetarded NDT??
@@gial8862 And yet there's not a single person who can explain how it is flat because it makes less sense.
Spoken like someone who has never actually listened to a second of him talking. He has an entire podcast where he routinely says "I dont know"
Lovely Manna that’s because it’s pointless to entertain that argument. It’s an overused joke. And you’re fuckin stupid
Professor Brian Cox would have answered this to joes satisfaction without getting defensive
Liam Bowbrick Brian Cox is more level headed too
Or Sean carroll... who explains everything so clearly without being obstinate and has called out NDT for being wrong in the past
Brian Cox is so chill! Like Xanex chill.
You should do a JRE clip called "NDT speaks condescendingly" and then repost the entire podcast.
No doubt! wtf
It's difficult not to when the person you're speaking to doesn't understand what you are saying, no matter how simply you break down the answer, and they keep insisting you are not making sense based on their inability to understand basic concepts.
So, basically every appearance?
Joe's meathead fanboys hate big words.
"NDT claps back at gravity ignorance"
this man didn't let Joe finish one sentence
Neil blatantly changes the subject to his Instagram caption (something about himself)
Ha I noticed that as well
He wasn't getting through with his explanation, so he tried a visual. It's what any good professor does.
Josh Agreed
Eamonn Timmons gotta get it in somehow
Joe did his homework pressing ndt! Good job joe! You made Eddie proud!
EDGE BRAH
I'm new to this podcast, who is Eddie and why do people keep mentioning him?
@@EddyA1337 He is a legend is all you need to know.
The ball going down the funnel “gravity model” is basically taking 3 dimensional curvature of space and visualizing it in 2D, cause it’s easier to imagine. But u need gravity to pull that ball down the funnel. That model is based on there already being gravity. It doesn’t explain anything. HOW does curvature of space affect mass? (We don’t know shit)
NDT (quite poorly) described that we do know some things about gravity but the "frontier" as he called it is where our answers run out.
That's no more or less true then for any other science, eventually enough "why's" will lead you to an "I don't know".
I've always thought that the important point is to remember that many of the things we "know" might turn out to be wrong or missing something significant about it, and that many of the "I don't knows" will one day be answered.
We aren't at the end of human understanding, and just as science has progressed our understanding of the world over the last two thousand years, people two thousand years from now will call us primitive.
Per Schultz-Haudt Mass and energy causes a 4 dimensional tensor to bend space time.
The thing that excited me about joe discussing gravity with NDT now was that joe recently had bob lazar on the podcast, talking about controlling gravity. That’s the reason why I wanna know why gravity works, cuz what if we could bend it or switch it off or something. Joe should have asked him about that stuff
@@Shabycube The way NDT is answering other questions, I doubt that would have got very far.
It’s still 3D even though you don’t really need a 3D model to show gravity and I don’t just mean mathematically like equations but visual representations
This guy is smart. He should become a world famous astrophysicist
Not quite as smart as he thinks he is, however.
I think joe handled him really well. neil backed off quickly
Well, he came to and remembered that Joe can fuck him up real quick if he wanted to. Astrophysicist or Comedian, we're all just human.
Well he did handle and well I would want to see how Joe would react if you turn the politeness down 50%
@@alantinoalantonio neil was a very good wrestler back in his day, it wouldn't be that easy
I dont know man I watched the whole podcast yesterday and Neil seemed to get worse as it went on, but Joe did handle it very well.
@@blackviking2079 I feel really confident saying Neil deGrasse Tyson doesn't have enough in the tank.
Ask sean Carroll the same question and expect to get not only a more comprehensive answer but also a more open mind. NDT stopped at celebrityhood.
Exactly my thought. Carrolls entire paradigm seems built of the why's. NDT objectively takes the L on this. Props to YT comments for all knowing his misquoting of Einstein.
I was never a fan of Neil deGrasse Tyson. I for one am glad that some people will keep asking why.
So is he. That's what he was saying if you paid attention.
Neil is like bill nye. Ppl making science/technology interesting to a big audience.
How could you not like that?
@@oghomelesskid Because I prefer real science as opposed to main stream, dumbed down, sometimes no based on actual science (Im looking at you Bill Nye) "science"
This video is a perfect exemple of why I don't like him, he gets mad at somebody asking why. Science is all about asking questions, never being satisfied with the answer. If you want faith, stick to organised religion.
@@alainbourgault1937 I see where you're coming from. I understand.
@@oghomelesskid So we are clear, Im not saying that he's not good at what he's doing, I personally just dont like that form of media but, if it can interest people in science, I applaud that. I see him as, hopefully a gateway to hard science.
I love this energy. Neil always cutting Rogan off. But Rogan getting free TedTalks face 2 face, and not giving a shit.
Scientist : We know HOW gravity works...
" Yeah but WHY does it work ? "
Scientist : SHUT UP.
Yeah well why not say SHUT UP he should cause obviously god or the simulator wants us to live happy and we can't cook food that has to be cooked to eat and veggies/fruits/nuts and fooking how do we plook each other floating around. Joe thinks well but living things can just exist lots of us so many we are crushed against each other so plooking is no problem or actually not needed if we are immortal cause I'm sure Joe questions why that is also so gotta do away with mortality so nothing dies unless we starve to death and of course water but no problem cause it's everywhere floating splashing against us so we open our mouths and drink and god/the simulator could've not let protein exist or if it does we don't need it to live I'm sure Joe wants to know why we need it so do away with that so no need to kill animals LOL I mean Joe just doesn't see the point of a good god/simulator just a evil one perfectly fine for him as long as there is plenty of weed/dmt to use to get so high he gets stuck in the sky . :P
We know how the car works...... yah but why? Shut up!
More like shut up! You're bald
Fake scientists*
Do you just want Neil to say "idk bro" at every question Joe throws at him?
Neil: "WHYYYY did you do DMT?"
Joe: "Oh THAT I can answer."
Joe: but why!?
Neil: shut up you bold fool
😂😂😂
Bold or bald?
*bald.
JR is a good comedian.
I thought "Spooky action at a distance..." was referring to quantum entanglements.
It looks like Neil Just got crazy in this vídeo. Like a cientist not asking why
It is. And Einstein coined the phrase, *NOT* Newton!
He said ..”and I’m good with that” 😂😂😂
Scientists: We should question everything!
NDT: Don't question gravity....
I am not certain that is accurate. It's like asking WHY is the electron negatively charged? WHY is the proton positively charged? WHY is the neutron neutrally charged? We simply understand through years of research and experiments that they are. We also know how they interact within an atom. Since there is a known functional behavioural testable model of interaction, what does a WHY question further buy you?
@@jewulo, NO NO NO. Its NOT just an "understanding". Absolute non sense.
He just said GRAVITY caused the BIG BANG. If you can believe the big bang is real. You can believe literally anything. I believe unicorns are real, don't tell me they don't, EVERYONE knows unicorns are real, but just accept it.
@@toowongfoo5479 Whose nonsense is absolute? Mine or Neil deGrasse Tyson. I will gladly accept mine to be stupid and nonsensical. I read stuff that the Scientists say. Not claiming any invention of anything myself. science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/science-questions/gravity-big-bang.htm. I can accept being a nonsense peddler but gravity plays a role in the Big Bang according to the science of it.
@@toowongfoo5479 I was under the understanding that the BIG BANG is simply an explanation for what is observable about the universe. There is nothing to justify that unicorns exist. There are no horse like creatures with horns or wings running or flying about. Unless I have gotten the flying part of it wrong.
@@jewulo, there is NOTHING on earth that can resemble a big bang. It is a "theory". Nothing more.
Can you make NOTHING into SOMETHING anywhere on earth. Just POOF!
Really...you believe this. And not only that, gravity (which has in FACT, NEVER been proven) caused the big bang. So now not only is the big bang impossible. Gravity was somehow around before the big bang happened.
Wow. Just wow.