VW Partners With Another Chinese OEM; Renault Reveals Geely-Based Hybrid SUV - Autoline Daily 3842
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
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0:00 VW Partners with Another Chinese Automaker
1:11 Renault Reveals Geely-Based Grand Koleos
1:58 Mercedes Spends More on ICEs Than Planned
2:34 Little Growth for Western Automakers in China
3:13 Big Incentives Boost EV Sales
4:42 Rimac Creates New AV Company Called Verne
5:28 Volvo Delays EX30 in the U.S.
6:17 Car Payments Up Nearly 20% in 2 Years
7:14 Hyundai Shows Sub-25,000 Euro Inster
Story Links:
VW Partners w/ SAIC: autonews.gasgoo.com/new_energ...
Renault Grand Koleos: • 2024 Busan Internation...
Mercedes Increases ICE Spending: www.reuters.com/business/auto...
U.S. EV Sales: www.autonews.com/automakers-s...
Rimac Creates New AV Company: www.letsverne.com/media/verne...
Volvo Delays EX30: www.autonews.com/cars-concept...
Car Payments Increase: www.wardsauto.com/dealers/hig...
New Hyundai Inster: www.hyundai.news/eu/articles/...
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Thanks Shawn. But calling the Verne a L4 autonomous vehicle is jumping the shark a bit. The hardware doesn't even exist yet. And mapping every road in high detail is not a viable solution until all vehicles on the road can contribute to a mapping DB for real time updates.
And a 'drop in' solution for changing cell production lines to SS is as likely as the Moon being made of cheese.
Enjoy your break Autoline team and thank you for creating content to be released while you are away. It is truly appreciated and hopefully pays off for you channel.
The avg 17k incentive for the Nissan Ariya shows how crazy the management is at Nissan to try and price their car so high and trick consumers. It was never intended to be such an expensive vehicle, but production problems mean they can't make very many, so they try to gouge the consumer on the meager production they do have. This is not good for their brand, and sows distrust amongst the consumers, which will doom your brand eventually. Consumers have a long memory for dirty tricks, and Nissan is incinerating their brand goodwill with tactics like this. The bigger Japanese firms content themselves with offering overpriced options which drive the price up 10k by adding a nicer stereo or the dumb bigger rims (which ruin ride quality).
The Inster would be a big hit here in US Cities, where a small electric under 25k would be very welcome.
VW is playing with fire just to survive. I am not talking about with Rivian. That a great move.
Chances are Chinese companies like BYD,Geely and it's subsidiaries and LiAuto,XPeng, Nio and others are far more advanced than Rivian in many aspects, not to mention the Chinese Battery co.s. as Michael Dunne of Dunne Insights says only Tesla might be the only one to not fear the Chinese auto companies. Please Google Dunne Insights.
I can easily see VW using Rivian's skateboard platform and software to underpin the Scout brand!
And the new Amarok, I think their love for Ford is over.
Have to make rivian profitable first.
I think Lucid will get scooped up next. Just for their software.
@@taylorc2542 Lucid Gravity may save it. An SUV for the Land Rover crowd.
@@taylorc2542Lucid has a $6B market cap. That's a big number for most auto companies to afford given they aren't profitable.
Their tech is definitely desirable though. It'll be interesting to see what happens to them in the coming 12-18 months.
With the leaps in Chinese battery tech iCE days are numbered. Batteries with 6C charging, prices falling, energy density rising and new models coming. Tick tick tick
Renault and Geely will also work together on new electric Twingo replacement, probably build here in Slovenian Renault plant Revoz 😊❤
Small EVs like this Hyundai should be selling for not more than $15k, not $25k. That are similar cars in China for $8k.
They should pay us
It's made in Korea, no? So it's like an electric Mirage, and the Mirage starts at $17k. If you can get the rebates (may require leasing) the Inster will be the same price or cheaper. That's a great deal -- if it were coming to the US, which I don't think it is.
They should pay us, give us free charging, and make us a sandwich
I have major respect for Rimac and believe building an amazing electric supercar is worthy of high praise, but making something at high volume for relatively low cost is going to be a major challenge. The sensors are still expensive, and I doubt the software is where it needs to be now or by 2026.
Love seeing competition, but for the retail investor, be very cautious. Not sure if this company will be tied into VW or not, but I am sure at some point they will go public, and those shares will like be massively over hyped.
Hey Sean, you're wearing three layers today. Cold in the studio?
I think the news of delinquency happening among car payments its much more alarming than anything said in the video.
Automakers must lower prices and their profit margins.
looks like the repo man is going to make tons of money in the next year or two.
Question for AAH: does the ability to tune with a laptop eliminate the need to strap on the mass dampers we now see bolted on to a-arms and other drive train parts? If so, how?
Eg the model 3 had mass glued and zip tied to its upper a-arm, my Mazda has rubber/steel mass added to suspension parts, and they can be found on transmission mounts and differentials too. Thx
VW partnering with SAIC and others show they are so far behind they are not even in the REAR VIEW MIRROR, yeah that far behind in Evs
Wrong
The problem with VW is the Union workforce costs, and the fact that in Germany the design teams are too regimented and do not innovate. Look at the VW offering vs the SEAT offerings. Nothing that says WOW…
That Hyundai Inster will be a good seller here in California, if they do that and it being a top seller than they can expand across the US.
Where are you located? You're dressed like it's the dead of winter! Unless you keep the office thermostat set to 55⁰F.
He is in Antarctica.🤣
The studio is in a restaurant freezer
Why didn't Rivian go 48V ? With all those changes you think they would have done that
Maybe when they go to NACS?
The supply chain for 48v is still very small and at a price premium
@@JD-yx7be it won't change unless people change. Rivians numbers are small anyway. The copper reduction alone is worth it.
Q: Why didn't Rivian go 48V ? A: because as the savvy Rivian Engineers have showed, 48V doesn't mean what you think it means. no it's more of the same BS, lies, and laymen misunderstanding, exactly like what was originally "whipped up" around FSD and 4680, and notice how NEITHER of those technologies which work as advertised.
@@phillyphil1513 I use FSD 90% of the time I drive. Many people use it every day.
Every Cybertruck is built with 4680s.
Rivian and all other auto makers will eventually go 48v as soon as they can + they'll adopt ether loop in place of CANbus as well, as soon as they're ready.
These things are inevitable
Despite what American OEM's want, Canadian consumers want affordable EV's, American, European OR Chinese... I know I'm a 4G Albertan, Canadian and car driver...
VW's version of spitball. Partner with everybody....see what sticks.
4:53 - examine it closely and you'll see the Verne is effectively a WAYMO built from the ground up with it's "Sensor Fusion Suite" being fully integrated into the design, rather than being a "retro-fit" of warts and blobs placed atop a Jag I-Pace. yup they'll do just fine, so much like how the mighty Google Corp is "beating the pants" off FSD in Tesla's home markets of 'Frisco, LA, and Phoenix (and soon Austin Texas) Rimac's Verne will now do the same in their home market of Croatia. 🤙 watch this space.
Well, Google makes a great system - it's only in a few hundred cars that cost $>100K each (perhaps a lot more) and are not for sale at any price and are quite ugly. Tesla has sold millions of cars with FSD capability at an affordable price that look great. FSD works quite well today, and doesn't have extreme limitations like Google's solution that only works in 3 towns, can't be used on the freeway, and is limited to under 40 mph.
@@tesla_tap re: "FSD works quite well today..." well the pending suit from the 5 Police Officers (count 'em 5) in Texas says
"NO".
@@tesla_tap re: "are quite ugly..." like the wisemen say, people living in "Glass Cybertrucks" should NOT THROW STONES...!!!🤣
I hope these tariffs get a 2 year time limit placed on them. These often fail because corporations fail to change because the government keeps trying to protect them while consumers suffer.
A simple tariff based on product origination is fine for short term, but longer term the law needs to change to something like a tariff that matches the direct or indirect subsidies received by that product, updated quarterly or annually.
@@who2u333
Tariffs are fine to create a little breathing room while currency issuing governments create a ton of money to pay for a ton of innovative research & development.
Since America pretends that money comes from tax payers who can’t afford to pay for nice stuff, tariffs will fail.
Musk has tried to kick the tin down the road several times this year with announcements and diversions but the clock is ticking. FSD still doesn't work and no new models except the drawing of a concept taxi based on a platform that doesn't exist. But I'm a patient person I'll wait until August and yet another musk announcement and some new colours maybe even more software updates.
Big software release on 8/8 -- Dog mode fixed!
That Mercedes is worried about ICE sales in 2028 means they have no concept of how fast EVs will eat ICE marketshare. They are going to be caught with their pants down.
that's Nokia story, they announce their plan for 3 years later and then no longer exist next year.
Mercedes will buy Tesla for 10 cents on the dollar in 2027, fit their own self driving that actually works and reduce Tesla to a footnote in history.
They're gonna be leder-hosed.
@@tomindenver1331 🤣
"The EV segment is growing in the US"
If VW already has Quality issues on their models, I don't want to imagine what Those alliances with chinese Cars Will result as...
Partnerships? What's Chinese partner stands to gain from partnership? VW will gain everything, but why would a good Chinese company will need to partner with VW? They are already producing top quality EVs
Chinese leftovers are good , like dumplings and stale spring rolls and congee.🤪
You sound so much like your dad.
Just helping them go down hill faster.
This dang thang drives it's self! Know what I mean Verne? 🤣
Goodgrief
OOH OOH Lets announce our robotaxi that we are never going to build before Tesla does!
"OOH OOH Lets announce our robotaxi that we are never going to build because Reuters outed us!"
@@bobbbobb4663 There are already 4 million + robotaxis out there already. Just waiting for the switch to be thrown. What will be announced on 8/8 will just be the cherry on top!
They can announce what they want, but odds are if Tesla does get their Cybertaxi on the road for public use and others have nothing ready, media will start questioning those who claimed they would have something.
Regardless of what media covers or what online trolls say, it is what is on the road that counts.
I would bet it will be a couple of years before anyone has a robotaxi on the road outside of Tesla. I am guessing 2026 is when Tesla will truly have any kind of scale for their self driving taxi service. Think of it like how the Semi had a year or so of test fleets after they started limited production.
@@dclpgh Nope. CA DMV is not going to allow ANY autonomous testing without a permit. When will you see Musk for the stock pumper he is?
Supermarket carts will be Robotaxi before Tesla has one
China wants to get around tariffs by building factories in those countries? Why don't western countries do to China what China has been doing to them for decades? Any Chinese auto company that wants to do business in North America, Europe, etc. should be banned from opening their own factories and instead be REQUIRED to first create a joint venture with a local (Western) auto company to produce for the local market, and the deal has to include mandatory technology transfers (just like in China's JVs) on batteries, electric powertrains, software, etc.
Yes I think that would be a good idea
Rimac is pronounced more like Rimatch
25k Euros for that tiny, underpowered short range Hyundai econobox? Seems overpriced.
It's looks so cool and lame at the same time. If it was larger it would be much more appealing.
Lies, damn lies, and statistics... Trying to make the large numerical gains in EV (just BEVs, or NEVs including PHEVs?) sales, WITHOUT TESLA SALES, is (at best) misleading. When you take the market leader (Tesla) out of the picture you're left with pretty small numbers for everyone else. Saying sales went from 1,000 units to 2,000 units ("A 100% GAIN!", as a fictional exampe) is pretty meaningless when the market leader, which sells more cars than all of the others, has sales down by more than double digits. It's not a simple issue, for sure. However, continually trying to make BEVs look more popular than they really are only lessens credibility. Nevermind they wouldn't even have the sales they have if it weren't for taxpayer-funded subsidies and the spectre of future mandates. Such efforts to mislead and promote BEVs ultimately backfire due to consumer resentment, and personal experience. The recent study showing almost HALF of BEV buyers saying they are going back to ICE is more proof you can't force BEVs on people when they don't fit their needs. If they fit yours then buy one. Just don't ask me to subsidize your purchase and/or try to force me to do the same. Most people have, and will, not.
Some valid points.
Tesla is losing market share because they blew their R&D budget on FSD and didn't refresh the cars. How's that working for you?
They use "this month" and "according to this group that doesn't actually have official numbers" for their analysis. Also ignores global trends as icing on the cake.
Best legacy PR that money can buy, and then Autoline picks up that spin and repeats it.
That aside, is Tesla wrong for holding back during a bad economy, and focusing on their $25k platform medium-term, as well as their long-term FSD goals that are expected to eventually be worth $7T annually?
We'll see in a few years down the road when the dust settles.
Or we can just go with these monthly attention spans of entertainment media.
Short-termism is more "entertaining" for sure, but also part of the problem in America these days, to China's advantage one might add - recalling how they overtook us in solar industry dominance, for example.
VW trying to stay alive…Our “leader” Mary not so much!
Mary is doing just fine!
Tesla Headline News: 112 ongoing violations of the paint shop at Fremont! Adrian still hasn't pulled any driver-less autonomous permits in California! Coast to coast, summoned, hands-off driving coming in 2017!
Thanks for enlightening me. I thought they fined Adrian for the toxic emissions coming out of his mouth.
Game over for Tesla!
Why?
VW screwed, forever!
Robotics and AI plus Optimus ROBOTS in place of union factory workers and new Un- Boxed way of manufacturing will be Tesla way of doing business, and direct to customer sales, all to lower the cost and have affordable EV cars.Legacy auto can't compete.
@@robertide5182collapsing sales and profits!
@@AuralioCabal-nl8gi Which raises the question -- if Adrian's solution is sooo much greater than everyone else, why not man up, dump autos, and solely sell your AI hardware.
Where are your comments about 50% of repeat EV buyers are switching back to ICE cars :) ? or.. theft of copper charger cables, that disables entire station ?
Source?
@@hayduke4589internet disinformation stream