The New Scout Could Be Cooler Than We Were Expecting!
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#Scout #Rivian #VW
I agree I'm not an EV guy but nothing wrong with options Buy want you want its your money
Only they doing everything to kill gas cars, so the "option" part will be limited
Scout having rivian bits underneath sounds a lot more appealing than having id4 bits underneath
I’ve heard vw investing in Rivian, so we might see same platforms?
Please forgive me but I don't speak EV. But does this mean the same as it's better to have a straight 6 underneath??
100%
makes me more interested in the new scout
Yeah no way. 5 billion from vw to keep them alive. No thanks
You lost me at all electric.
...and VW
@@tmill2001 this it's the VW thing for me.
So you've got oil burning lamps at your house or you're just being obtuse. And for the rest of you vw owns Audi Lambo Porsche and Bentley. They're all doing better than ever. You just wouldn't wanna drive one at all because vw owns them?
Cry about it...
SAME
Lost me at all electric
Shut up about electric cars, we're not buying them
Its an EV so it wont work me. Looks great but I need a SUV with a 400mile range with AC or heat running and the ability to refuel in less than 15 minutes. Need to haul herding dogs.
the moment you said ELECTRIC i lost interest completely. if it cant be fueled from a Jerry can it is useless to me
Destined to failure. All the people who geeked out at the return of Scout and all of us that would have been lining up with cash (assuming the end result was good) did a giant eye roll and immediately wrote off the brand.
What a couple of Debbie Downers. Y’all should be encouraging the electric scene so that when the tech matures in ten to thirty years, your kids can benefit from some game changing tech that includes infrastructure, tech advances and thriving secondhand markets. Or maybe we should go back to horses... Environmentally friendly, cheap to refuel, and they make new models of themselves all on their own!
@@davespanksalot8413 I will teach my kids how to work and repair a internal combustion engine so they don't have to pay some mechanic thousands of dollars to fix a computer glitch that was poorly programmed and poorly assembled. I can and have fixed my cars and truck in my driveway using hand tools including fuel pumps, water pumps, radiators, and more. I even did a bottom half rebuild of a 351 windsor on the 1979 Tbird i owned at the time in the driveway on jack stands.
I was out when you said all electric 😂
Exactly when I turned it off too.
Volkswagen thirsty for some of that sweet Wrangler / Bronco money
I think they’d make more money competing with the Jeep Wagoneer with the Travelall. I hope they bring that back too.
Broncos and Wranglers are filling up dealer lots now.
I agree more with Tommy. Talking about having “choice”. Scout could offer choice! Gas version, maybe a plugin hybrid and BEV
Complexity
We already have a lot of gas choices. We need more EV, PHEV, and Hybrid choices. Personally for long range off roading I'd like to see more fuel efficient hybrids.
Non plugin hybrid would be perfect
Are you paying for that? Who’s paying for three platforms?
Tooling cost for each version would be cost prohibitive.
I love it when you guys engage in constructive debates on opposing sides of any issue. Nowadays, it seems we've lost the flexibility of open-minded discussion and the ability to learn from each other, which were foundational to the US. It's important to remember that it's okay to disagree with your loved ones and neighbors on politics, policy, and general opinions without polarization leading to severed relationships, anger, and violence. Thank you for releasing this video.
Best comment 👍
No no no... shut them down. I only want one side.
You've just witnessed an open-minded discussion between two of the most powerful and oldest gentlemen in the world!
I agree with Tommy, "Scout should have launched with a Gas engine." We're not ready for all electric yet. It goes back to the days when six and four cylinder engines came out, and the backlash those got. And now they are everywhere and kicking ass. How are electric or hybrid sales, actually... In off roaders? That said, the Scout (concepts) looks pretty cool and it will get alot of "it looks like a Bronco!" They did back then to. ... Everything is a "Jeep Killer", the Bronco was to when it started coming out... Once that statement is made, it won't be a Jeep Killer. And all that is said about Jeep(s), this statement, used so often still, goes to show that Jeep is still on top and still the benchmark. Even for the G Wagon that you guys ALWAYS seem to mention in this segment .... That shouldn't ever be. G Wagons sit outside fancy restaurants with 24" wheels and the average person wouldn't buy one. They are just a status symbol. And! I could buy a couple Jeeps or Broncos for the price of a G Wagon.
All electric... Dead on Arrival.
You ever driven a Tesla?
Roman is the get off my lawn defender of electric vehicles
He gets a lot of $ from them.
@@TimeMarinerhow so? He seems to have a stance counter his audience.
He is making valid points about the positives of electric cars.
@@jlaw1901He has to have a stance counter to his audience. He knows Colorado is California lite at the moment but will probably join the state they want to be in banning new ICE sales in the next few years. He has a business empire built on reviewing new cars, and when those new cars are only EV he hopes enough people will have converted by that time. Same with the legacy car mags such as Car and Driver, Motor Trend etc.
@@jimhanle2971 nobody wants to be Blockbuster. He had to adapt to the times or go extinct.
EVs do actually have positives though and he sees them.
@@jbm0866you do realize we are at minimum 20 years out from being able to support that many electric cars and people still think it’s not even gonna work out
So maybe big diesel powered charging stations at the trailhead? How can I haul an extra 20 to 200 miles of range on a rack, to make sure I can get out of the back country, once I get in?
There are solar trailhead chargers
😂😂😂
@@Tallnerdyguy yeah, because that’s what we want at the trailhead; a congested oversized phone charger! That would just add to the beauty of the trail! 🤣
There will never be car charging stations in the backcountry where I take my Jeep. Electric for a scout is ridiculous…
Yep tuned out after all electric
As a long-time offroader, I've learned the less electronic crap on my 4×4 s the more reliable off road. Way to ruin the name scout though ..
Give me a new Scout with a gasoline engine and a manual transmission please! Would be a nice alternative to the Broncos and Wranglers around every corner. Making it an EV is just a marketing gimmick and not practical unless you charge at the trailhead…
Totally agree! But projectile vomit would be induced at the sight of a charge station at the trail-head of any public park.
As soon as he said it would be an EV, I left the building. No sale (and zero interest) in the Scout here.
I've been fortunate enough to have been on hot, cold, altitude, and moab jeep development trips and it was amazing to see what some excellent drivers can do (especially on the rocks; yea Liberty, you can do it too.)
I could care less about the sound effects, but soc maintenance and getting rescued because you cooked too many hot dogs for the kids with the camp kitchen, would definitely be entertaining.
So, it's that, or laying in some mixture of fluids on your back at u-pull trying to get whatever you are too cheap to buy (or smart enough to know it's perfect) under your pos replica (Damn; no m-plates anymore. )
Life is full of choices ; car payments-pos-kids..
In the end it's just another vehicle. Don't go Plumb Crazy over it.
Hybreds are the future.. not EV or gas alone.. btw.. you gonna live in the trails ?
I’ll like the idea of trucking through the woods quietly with my doors off. Sounds intriguing.
Does anyone have experience with the range of electric off-road vehicles while off-road? I suspect it would be better than on-road because of slower speeds???
Depends on the type of trail. TFL did Red Cone in a Jeep 4xe on electric only and I think it’s electric range was cut to 1/3, of what it got on the highway.
give me gas.
Trouble is under 20 mph would have the annoying artificial whine meant for pedestrians.
@@NOXStellans The guys at Electric Classic Cars have reportedly had a good experience with overlanding their converted Defenders. It's worth checking it out.
Should have a version for ICE.
Someone will put a 392 underneath the hood
@@Wrangzillaor an LS maybe?
hybird scout would be nice.
Electric bronco.
It's good to see competition because they need to make these a lot more affordable😊
Longest range takes me 2.5 days to get to Moab and 2.5 back so that leaves 1 day to offload with electric. Range is the killer.
And recharge time
Need gas. Can't overland with an electric vehicle.
You can.
An offroader that burns half its battery just getting to the trail? Great idea. Drive to the trail, turn around and go home.
Unlike all these haters , I’m super excited about off roader EVs!!
Very smart of VW to partner with Rivian expertise. I'm not a fan of the Scout being electric, but since it's going to be, might as well be based on the best electric in the business.
100%. Just bought a couple Rivian stock lol crossing my fingers for the take-off
I have five electric vehicle owners in my family, and the statement of lower maintenance cost way not accurate, every time a Tesla mechanic has to be called out, for what should be minor repairs or service in a gas vehicle, my family members have been charged over $4,000 a pop, the constant charging issues leading to bricking, stranded on the side of the road, the outlandish cost to upgrade their homes electric amperage, and in two cases the entire subdivision was substandard to support EV charging, over a dozen public charging stations we've looked at had diesel generators for the chargers, to my Nephew being charged $25 and hour to charge his S at a Tennessee station for two hours, the cars still have to be serviced and there is still oil, coolant, etc. that has to be done, and finally the battery doesn't last as expected in the extreme climates and two of my family members have already faced the $8,000 and $14,000 battery swaps for their respected vehicles, All of them have had to keep gas vehicles for reliability, two of them can't charge them in the below zero winters of their northern states, two of the others can't get half of the battery life here in the desert at 100 + degrees, and one of them has constant salt air damage to the electrical connections in Florida, My son works at the Largest vehicle parts distributor for the southwestern region and is seeing replacement batteries Quadruple due to early failure rates. So, your son is correct that gas and hybrids are the better option and is actually what people want. Every single one of my family members who own electric vehicles are getting rid of them as soon as they can, with only one planning to return to even hybrid, I work for a parts distributor, I am personally seeing customers come in hoping we can help them source batteries, (we can't) because of the waiting list and the cost.
I've driven EV:s for 6 years. Never have I encountered a bricked car. Especially not a Tesla. What repairs did they do that cost 4 grand? I hade a 1st gen Model S a few years ago. Not even that car hade costly repairs.
if they in CA wait till they get that $0.41 a mile driven charge to make up for lost gas tax revenue (other states sure to follow) or don’t plug in due to rolling blackouts. LOL.
@@MrSnejkaj he straight up lied. None of that happened.
@@scorpy2643 Don't respond unless you know your subject... The local Dodge /Jeep dealership is now sitting on their 27th Hybrid Jeep Wrangler battery replacement scheduled for 3mths from now and is battling a battery supply issue. They are also waiting for their second Hybrid battery for the brand new Grand Cherokee with Zero available in the US. I have had two customers come in looking for help trying to find Tesla replacement batteries, I sent them to the manufacture, there are Zero secondary or aftermarket support. Two of my Relatives have sent their electric vehicles down the road as of last week, and my neighbor has had his zero charge brick for the seventh time in three years. So, electric fanboy, I do indeed know my topic, and I have many relatives, friends, neighbors and customers who run electric vehicles, and the experience is all over the map, from a few with only minor problems to full out lemons. Unfortunately, in my profession and my friends and relatives, I have personally witnessed and interacted with the extreme negative side of electric vehicles.
What are the limitations of hybrids on off roading
If you want gas power you get a Bronco, if you want electric you get a Scout, simple as that, it’s a Choice!
If you want gas power and don't want to break when you go off road, you get a Wrangler.
I just had an oil drain plug stripped on my BMW's first oil change. Send me the electric Scout. 🤣
Was excited for the first few seconds then they said electric
EV is not something I'm interested in, not at all.
I was an EV hater for a long time until my buddy got an F-150 lightning. They can be really great little rigs in the right circumstances. That said, hybrids are going to be the hopeful future.
I do appreciate that you had different opinions on EVs. My opinion is that if EVs were cheaper, they'd be great for local commutes, grocery getting, etc. So an ideal situation would be to have a cheap EV for local driving and a Gas or Hybrid for road trips or heavy hauling.
That's what we do and it's great.
That's what I do. They will be cheap soon enough. Lots of R&D recovery happening right now but they're cheaper to make long term. My partner's EV cost $23k after the credit. Her payment is the same as gas in her Jeep.
@@davidroberts5600 $23k is much more reasonable compared to $60k. I have not looked deeply into the whole 'credit' mess. For me, the biggest issue is the money down and monthly payment.
I run a gasser for long trips and my ebike back and forth to work and around town trips.
@@bradlaflamme6127 I am actually thinking of getting an ebike! I live in the countryside now. But will be moving soon. If I move to an area that is practical, i will be getting an ebike. What kind did you get?
This new technology is never going to work, it’s just not reliable, there’s no infrastructure for refueling and it’s just weird and unfamiliar. Give me the tried and true option for my dirt road adventures… said the horse and buggy driver of the new ICE vehicles in 1912!
Nobody wants an electric Scout. Dead on arrival.
Who actually makes these horrible decisions, Disney? Seriously, talk about NOT knowing your customers and losing them with literally ONE dumb decision.
Tommy’s wrong on this electric is the future and it would be Insane for scout to spend billions on engineering a new motor when they wouldn’t be able to recoup those costs (billions) due to the switch to electric. They would need a decade or more to recoup that investment. How long before they’re actually selling these scouts. They’re planning for the future not the past.
The Ford Bronco and Scout would be competiting against each other. They look alike.
Roman!!! you need to visit your local Tesla service center, there's a bunch of broken Tesla sitting in the rear of the center! Ford EV issues, how many GM EV have been halted for issues... nah.. Hybrid I'm all in!
If Scout wants to embrace the EV offroader and not limit their market, having an optional range extender similar to the BMW I3 would be the best of both worlds scenario. If they went this route and made the range extender modular so you could leave it at home when getting groceries, that would be even better. I'm excited to see what they bring to the market as it'll influence all manufacturer offerings.
lost me at electric
Me too. What a shame. I loved my 76 scout!
Scout-VERY INTERESTED! Volkswagen- LOSING INTEREST. EV Rivian- INTEREST TOTALLY GONE😏
ICE sells. And EVs cost automakers so much money that costs are NOT coming down. Evs are all the same. Same suppliers motors and batteries underneath, same sounds, same feel, same sterile, soulless character. They're just like pop culture today, all about the looks.
There is a place I worked out in Lake Side California where there are four Scouts just sitting. They are all in awesome condition.
Without at least a hybrid option it isnt even an option.
People haven't soured on electric vehicles. They just can't afford ones that are cool. I don't know why this is so hard for car manufacturers to understand.
I drive by the Scout factory regularly and they already have several buildings built on the campus.
I’m sorry, but “All electric Off-Road” sounds like a recipe for disaster. For around town, fine. Out in the mountains? No freaking way.
Someone buys one and then converts it to gasoline. Wooooo
I thought i was interested, till you said ev 🤮 nevermind
The Scout name being used by VW hurts my soul!
Battery operated vehicles are the common-core solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I'm a mechanical car enthusiast, not a battery operated, computer systems on wheels, passenger. Hard pass.
What’s the problem that doesn’t exist? I think it solves many problems.
The only competition to a Wrangler would be solid axles, which I would have hoped to see with gas or hybrid.. This is akin to an EV Bronco.
An EV 4x4 should have 4 motors. One on each wheel with an output shaft and direct drive-no axles necessary. One of the few advantages of the electric car.
The IFS convertible-offroader Bronco competes with the convertible-offroader Wrangler.
My only gripe with the concept of the new Bronco is that it has coilovers instead of separated coils and shocks. I know that performance is often better with coilovers, but supplemental airbags can't be put inside the coilovers for hauling/towing at max capacity with 0 sag/squat.
TFL when are you going to stop touting all electric. It’s not the future. Takes longer to charge than fueling a gas car, heavy, expensive, more complex easily totaled, cost more in charging, catches fire, emf radiation, not environmentally friendly and puts more of our dependence on China. As a car enthusiasts, I believe it’s great to have an electric option but it’s not better than what we have. You guys know it too.
Miserable idea. Another Fisker in the making.
electric cars have no maintenance? they are heavy and go through tires like crazy. The amount of money you spend on a set of tires surpasses any gas car's oil changes .
How do you know that? The OEM tires on my ID.4 lasted 36k, which if I recall correctly is a bit longer than the OEMs on my Sienna.
Is there some tension between these two that is leaking into the video or am I just imagining things?
Always been like that. Father and son.
I was thinking the same thing. Roman and Tommy, go have lunch together and don't talk about work!!
Roman is a big electric guy and Tommy isn’t it. They have several videos like this where they disagree on it
Definitely felt tension in that one. But Dad seems pretty secure about it and not letting it bother him.
All electric. Lol. Doomed before even start.
Can you put "electric" in the titles when it comes to electric vehicles so we don't have to lose our time clicking on these types of videos?
Absolutely agree!!!
Electric vehicles are worse for the environment than ice vehicles
Tesla burns the tires in one year!
You’re just swapping oil changes for tire replacements.
Lots of charging infrastructure in and around Moab now. Charging infrastructure has been growing and break neck speed and it's only accelerating. I don't see an issue with electric off roading.
i wish Toyota bring back their fj cruiser hybrid 4 doors with wrangler style
Screw the electric part, put a v 6 or v8
Tend not to break? Ask Rivian and Tesla owners. I live where it gets extremely cold. Saw plenty of vehicles stuck on the highway when snow closed it. Nope
What are you talking about? Rivian R1S owner here. I live in MN. I have no idea what you’re talking about. I feel way more comfortable Taking my Rivian out in the snowing cold than I ever f ever felt in my Taho, Cheney Blazer or my buddy’s Jeep Wrangler.
Until you can fuel an electric in a comparative fashion as a gasoline/diesel it will ever be more than a urban commuter vehicle.
This is not true. I have an ID4 and have taken it on 2,000+ mile road trips. For me, 3 hours of driving before recharging is the magic number. With my MB GLC300, 400 miles of range was dangerous and almost killed me with fatigue.
Depending on the range of the new Scout, it may wind up being comparable to the range of an ICE 4WDs in that category.
Same - drove my Rivian from Tennessee to Oregon and back last summer, had a blast. Best road tripping vehicle I’ve ever owned. 600+ mile day ended refreshed with driver+. I promise I’m not a shill or an axe grinder. It’s simply the truth.
@@dont8977 Having driven my ID4 back and forth from Fort Worth to the Knoxville area several times (750+ miles each direction), I always made the trip in one day and never felt beaten down like I did when I was driving the Mercedes back and forth. Best decision I ever made, as far as I am concerned.
Gas stations run on electricity and it takes electricity to pump and pay for gas.
Everything on a gasoline vehicle runs on electricity. Without it, they're a brick.
It's like people arguing about all of the virtues of a rotary dial desk phone because they're afraid of smart phone technology.
ICE tech has been developing for what the last 100 years so of course the infrastructure is there to support it but to disparage EV tech which is in its infancy is extremely naive.
For the majority of drivers EV’s are more than enough, all these extreme ICE use cases will be addressed by EV tech in the coming years with battery density, solar charging, power storage, charging speed and chemistry always rapidly improving.
And to those who say EV’s pollute as much as ICE let’s sit in a garage in our respective cars with the powertrains running overnight and see who makes it out.
People get too comfortable because your exhaust is behind you so out of sight out of mind. Put it upfront and see how long you’d drive ICE.
I love all cars but realise change is needed and is already here. It’s like when people laughed at the internet and buttonless mobile phones.
All I wanted was the Jimny.
For local commuters EV is fine…
I believe that the offroad EV could be manageable. The major problem with the EV is they are not aftermarket friendly. How do you install 40" tires and regear a Rivian or cyber truck. Way too many issues with the electronics when installing lifts trimming the wheel wells to fit larger tires. Give the consumer a basic EV with the ability to highly mod the suspension then I think in my opinion it would have a better chance. I would love an R1T with 74weld portals, 37" tires and 600mi of range.
No need to re-gear an EV as the torque is 100% from 0 RPM all the way up to maximum RPM and top speed.
EV car suspensions are the same as ICE car suspensions.
Suspension lift kits are available for the Tesla Model Y. They'll be available for the CyberTruck soon enough.
Only rock crawlers and hard core off-roaders install 40" tires. Hundreds of people do it? A few thousand people?
Hundreds of millions don't even go off road.
@@dvader3263 I know very little about EV other than they are fast, heavy and the range sucks when you hook up a trailer. So what you’re saying is that if I buy a Rivian cut the finders and install some 37” tires the computers not going to freak out. Plus no need to re-gear due to the motor is the differential.
@@dvader3263 LOL. you’re forgetting about all the Mall Queens with 37-40” tires.
But the cyber truck already doesn’t have that great of range (compare to original prerelease spec, the range extending battery takes up 1/3 the bed at $16k) and putting a lift kit and bigger tires will affect that just like it does on ICE trucks.
EVs are okay but should have pushed for hybrid then plug in hybrids, then to EV to help not only people adapt but garages, mechanics, industries, aftermarket, and most of all POWER GRIDS.
If they figure out wireless charging on the roads maybe i would get one, but for now I’ll stick with hybrid truck and plug in hybrid car. And my good ole FJ gas 4x4 lol only 33” tires 😢 but does good on minor trails but the SxS does better!
Yes what we need more electric junk
Does the kid understand it's easier to get a new ev brand to the market right now than an ice because of regulations on ice vehicle components? Without combustion components, it's cheaper and quicker to produce the vehicle in the US. Why do you think new ice brands haven't entered the market in decades. Regulation on ice components is a bank breaker.
I am more with Roman on this. I love my EV, and I will not buy anything else, even to the point of planning a conversion on an older truck for farm use. I personally am excited about the ScoutEV. I love the quietness of my car when I am driving through CVNP, and I think it would be wonderful to have an electric off-roader for photography excursions. The silence is bliss.
EVs and off roading (specially rock crawling) are a match made in heaven.
I've been driving international trucks including scouts for over 40 years and still have them and I will never ever own one that is electric powered.
Electric powered vehicles simply won't work out in the middle of nowhere you have nowhere to charge them.
I appreciate Roman's perspective on EVs. He's spot on. My partner and I have two EVs for daily driving, charge from our garage of solar, and own a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee for off roading. We're mostly off-roading close to home so we could maybe do an EV. I think most of us agree there aren't enough off road EV options and the range and/or infrastructure aren't there yet. Heck, even if you get there you have to deal with vampire drain when camping.
I think it's partly like HD TV adoption. Not many folks were going to buy an HD TV without content and not much content without demand. The government had to motivate industry and it's working. I don't think addressing local pollution and climate change should be political but I recognize it has become so and understand not wanting to go there.
Well, count me out. You guys need to pay attention to the market and the product reliability problems associated with EVs in general. Amidst the continuing drop in EV sales are another round of large scale fires related to EV batteries. Manufacturers are cutting back and in some cases dropping EV production entirely. I will bet the farm that not one Scout will be produced in Blythewood, SC, not one!
Scout will be electric? Ugh. You lost me. Electric vehicles are a dead money pit. I called it ten years ago.
EV’s make sense if you live in the city. Here in metro Vancouver, Washington/Portland, Oregon. You see electric bicycles, scooters, SUVs, and automobiles everywhere, and I don’t think it’s a bad idea if you’re not going very far outside of the city. However, for those of us that enjoy hiking, fishing and hunting, these are Endeavors that are usually done well outside of the cities reach, and often in places where there is no electricity, which would make an EV prohibitive.
EV is good till you need a battery, or to charge it no where close to home or civilization.
An EV off road vehicle makes about as much sense as a cross country EV vehicle. The battery technology just isn't there yet. Not just in range, but in safety. Just like parking garages banning EV's, it will only take one major forest fire started by an EV and they'll be banned all over.
Electric vehicles are trash
It seems like a well played business move for VW. The infusion of cash for both Scout and Rivian should benefit them as well. I hope it works out to yield more vehicles for the automotive enthusiast.
I think the general consumers issue with all electric is the fact that it’s being forced. I’m an automotive enthusiast and I can see the appeal from anything to a Bugatti to a Prius. I just dont like that EVs are going to be the only option. I want to be able to have an option between gas, hybrid, diesel, ev, hydrogen etc.
Think GE locomotive type powertrain and you will be closer for the Scout. 400 to 450 mile range.
I've had Scouts most of my life. However an electric vehicle from the V.W. banner will have alot to overcome. Now had it been a hybrid with a clean VW TDI then I might be interested. A full E.V. though, no, not at all interested. Especially considering that V.W. is nearly in the dumpster anyway. Just think though if they went the diesel electric route (like a locomotive) what Scout might be. Pessimistically Optimistic.
I just drove my Tesla from UT to MI and it was much better driving that distance than the same trip just two years ago. If all stops had been 250s, none of the charging stops would have seemed longer than needed for bathroom and snack breaks. That’s not even the state of the art for charging. I actually think we’re getting pretty close to (expensive) EVs being capable of road trips without much sacrifice and some benefits. We’ll see when we get to off-roading, but road-tripping has gotten much, much better, at least in a Tesla.
What’s your actual range and recharge time?
@@nativeson608 - I have a Tesla Model S LR. I would say that a realistic range on a road trip might be as long as 300 miles between stops, but there are clearly a lot of variables and most legs were closer to 250 miles. The availability of chargers, particularly in areas where chargers are few and far between, often impacted the stops as much as the car’s ability to go a particular distance. Using 250 chargers, I don’t think we stopped longer than 15min before we had enough range to continue. There were times when chargers were throttled (not the 250s, but sometimes it happened at 150s) and charging times increased substantially. I probably sat at the chargers in Rapid City, SD for 45min when we arrived there and still didn’t get a full charge. On the other hand, when my wife stopped at the same chargers on the return trip, she was able to spend less than 20min and got to 87%. We don’t keep accurate measure of times or efficiency on legs, so this info is just anecdotal. My point was more that the last time we drove our earlier Tesla (Model Y P) on the same roads, the range was clearly much less - an issue in WY when the wind was up) and charging times were longer - often more like my experience in Rapid City than what our typical experience was on this year’s trip. To be clear, I think the improved experience had to do with both the better car and the better chargers. If all stops were 250s - not even the current state of the art - I don’t think the stops would have been an issue at all. Made my optimistic for the future of BEVs.
Russian dude on the left and Russian Collusion on the right - get appropriate for your age haircuts, and some decent t-shirts - Banana Republic or Cutz. :) Or get your own fitted - you are selling them! You should look ...fly in them! They should pop! А то выглядите старыми, грустными и унылыми.
Oh please .. PHEV OR FULL EV, it’s just a pain in the ass. I’ve owned the 4Xe and loved the performance and overall reliability, but the small battery and charging/plugging is was a pain over 3 years. Done with it, and went back to GAS. LOVING IT .. Give me a hydrogen closed loop hybrid and I’m back in .. till then I’m a HARD NO to ev. Many of my ev friends have gone back too ! Just saying .. we are not alone and the numbers are proving this.
Lol! I don't think Dad gives a flying f#@& about the new Scout.
They are 100% copying Suzuki’s homework on this. It looks like the Jimny.
I was hoping it was going to be the Jimny coming to the US, disappointed to hear what it actually is.
@@volvo09 same. The Jimny would have been so refreshing and the Japanese quality. I’d sell my soul for one.
It will actually be an international motors vehicle as the international name is back over the company
All of the alleged pros you mentioned about electric vehicles are demonstrably false. My cousin is a Tesla technician and and he says EV is not the way to go, saying hybrids are the better alternative.
Hey Tommy: it's not even developed yet; how would you know what the range is going to be? Electric vehicle batteries are currently getting smaller and more powerful every year with exponential increases. VW is spending 5 Billion (BILLION) on development.
JOURNALIST need to be CAREFUL...ICE ICE BABY, long trips, long hails, decades of reliability...STAY ICE CENTRIC AT ALL TFL platforms DUDES or have only one TFL EV PLATFORM...
But don't mix them...
ICE is more fun to work on, BECAUSE we love ICE on the road, trail and track...there are few or no charge stations at 10000 ft...I unsubscribed from MOTOR TREND because they repositioned their stance on that dumb butt electric thing...
Toyota should have made affordable convertible RAV4/FJ/Corolla-Cross Prime models. 2drs and 4drs.
Imagine an affordable convertible Jimny, with Prius MPG/reliability, and Crosstrek Wilderness towing capacity.
The Wrangler 4xe is a bit too much size, heft, and $$. CJ8 size, or smaller, with a tailgate instead of a swingate, would be nice.
A convertible BroncoSport, with Maverick Hybrid AWD 3.5K-4K running gear, for under $30K base, would be nice.
Roma,
Love you man, but you made two invalid statements:
1. Right tool for the right job: It is a fact that EV is not good for off-roaring.
2. More choices equal lower prices. Government ending ICE is not giving buyers choice. Also as sales of EV went up for a short while, EV prices continued to go up due to skyrocketing price of lithium batteries.
EV would work if the infrastructure would be reliable. You talk about the change.. you implement the change then you support the change. The government is not supporting the infrastructure..
Solid state batteries are going to give EVs the range 500-700-mile range and speed up the charging times.
I'm not a believer that EVs are cleaner however, I own a Chevy Bolt and I'm averaging 320 miles, and I plug in at night after 9pm. My cost a month is $32 . I love the instant mapping acceleration and peacefulness of the drive. No Maintenace or issues.
CATL is coming out with a battery that will double the range of EV's without increasing the size or weight and be more ecomonical so that should make off road EV's more attractive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
an all electric off-road/over-landing vehicle is a big mistake!! The Scout company looks like a fly by night operation!! They are setting themselves up for failure right out of the gate and just wait til they announce the price😂😂
I would love to have one of if I could drive across the country but that slows travels pretty bad
The official video from the official scout website says that the scout was the very first suv originally released in 1961. It goes on to say that it came before the bronco and blazer. However, it is most certainly not the very first suv. I don’t really count the military styled jeeps of the 1940’s as an suv but one could easily argue that many 4 door Land Rover Defenders certainly predated the scout.