i wondered how long it would take for me to make a classic commentary thumbnail like… that, needless to say it was very quick reminder that im on a new medication for my epilepsy, ive been very disoriented due to it!!! if i say anything that sounds off then pls don’t hesitate to ask about it!! if i offend anyone let me know, i don’t want to be disrespectful to anyone, i have very pure intentions with these types of videos my next few videos will probably be animations, because this was a loooong video to make, i spent at least 10 hours on it (: so i hope you find it a little entertaining
Hello! I was the creator of the third video you talked about. I just wanna say that this is actually a very well put together video and I appreciate that you were respectful as well as giving your critiques!!! I know for myself that my video wasnt the best and I couldve expanded on certain things but overall I'm glad that you understood my points! I'm also glad that you treated this situation with the respect it needs and its nice that a 3rd party can give their own takes on the matter
About her art, I get being scared to draw poc and different bodies. I think it's really nice to learn how to draw different races, cultures, bodies, etc !! I personally love doing it ^^!! I think drawing characters you're not used to drawing can help you improve a lot and can let you get some constructive criticism from others ! I also really like playing with different features in general :P
Yes. While one is not obligated to have it present in every single work it's a pretty nice thing to learn to either flex or show you're capable in a work field.
@@Mystiqued If you mean it shouldn't be too hard for her to draw different bodies and stuff I can agree !! but the thing is, you need practice to be able to draw different bodies. I do think she could improve from that though ! ^^
Looking into this situation as an adult who was sexually abused online by a peer years ago,, I just don't like how these ex friends are constantly throwing around insults like "sex pest" and "sexual assaulter". It really just does look like an immature situation that got uncomfortable as the friendship slowly crashed and burned. The people involved are allowed to feel a certain way about how things happened, but this is in my view being taken from a very minor situation that should have been dealt with care and caution to a full blown teen drama where they air any and all dirty laundry for fairly petty reasons. This should have been a matter taken care of by adult guardians/parents, not by an internet mob made up of mostly children.
Mari's video is the least helpful so far despite having some useful info (which other commentators would have mentioned with better clarity) It's unserious tone is a spit in the face to the victims (plus, being rude about art style is no where as bad as being an alleged exploiter). The video comes across as insincere (despite Mari claiming that she did take the SA part seriously) which is why I never commented on her vid while I did for Delululite (who at least structured it better) or Mewozie (who discusses mainly art problems).
The person in the first video put me off immediately. Even if it is their opinion..If you’re gonna call someone out for their actions, don’t bring up the media they like. What does Quartelz’s“obsession” with Hazbin Hotel have to do with them being a groomer?? Lmao leave Hazbin Hitel fans out of this💀💀💀
Agreed. A lot of the first video put me off guard, especially when they called Khai stupid after literally acknowledging that the possibility they were being manipulated. Semi off topic but for the third video I believe, I thought it was weird to hate on Mel for liking pyschocuties (sharing it to a younger audience- okay that’s at least reasonable to be upset). A lot of this artists controversies aren’t well known to English speakers as far as I’m aware. Especially since a chunk of them were on VK (as the artist is Russian).
Made a comment on the first video pretty mad about the sexual assault thing because they were blatantly wrong to call them a rap!st Their only response was "log off touch grass" and then a bunch of people started attacking me until I gave up completely They sound like a child, so did anyone commenting which is extra worrying because they're throwing around serious false accusations while lacking the maturity to take them on
I agree. The other side against Mel is very quick to be insultive towards anyone who disagrees with them. It’s honestly hard to take them all seriously when most of them just shuts down different views with insults. You shouldn’t stoop down the same level as Shister said. Delululite and Voided did the best out of the others and were the only ones who handled it maturely, so I understand & agree with some of their points.
@@Lavellanratthank you for saying this😓 im so sorry you got attacked, you were not wrong at all. saying SA is something that can happen ONLINE is just watering it down. yes it was bad, it was sexual harassment but it was definitely not sa.
@@Gavinno1hater I don't take the attacks too seriously, the commentators were clearly children. It was more frustrating than anything and made me delete the comment entirely since it was just pointless to argue with people who already decided I'm wrong. Although, like I said, they were very young clearly and it's very concerning that kids are going around calling themselves SA survivors because of a discord call or a roleplay they didn't enjoy. It's not watering down the issue to point out it's not what they experienced, they're doing harm to themselves by convincing themselves they went through horrific traumas they might otherwise have easily moved from. And then go on to spread misinformation and harm others indirectly. The internet's tendency to engage in trauma olympics and glamorize victimhood is going to cause some serious issues in a lot of young people online because it teaches them to overreact instead of helping them cope
Honestly this video is really well put together and I actually love your voice it's so calm and nice to listen to like it scratches the right part of ADHD brain It's so satisfying
19:49 (sorry if the person im referring to uses different pronouns pls correct me) actually THANK YOU for saying this because saying that someone is possibly being gr2med and then calling them stupid for falling for "obvious manipulation" as shes making it out to be is actually insane. as someone who has been grsmed twice and has gone through manipulative abuse its insane hearing someone insult a potential victim after acknowledging how serious the situation is, i get being angry about potential online stsual abtse but taking it out on the potential victims is NOT at ALL okay. doesn't matter how old someone is, its not always obvious to someone. it like legitimately hurts to hear them talk twords the potential victim like that.
This is literally the most mature video I’ve seen on this situation And I see so many mixed opinions on the SA thing, and I think their main point is that we shouldn’t be equating physical SA and Online SA, which is why I think there’s an issue with just slapping the term SA onto the situation when there’s probably a better term for it. Especially when the basic definition of assault quite literally has the word physical in most definitions, but the legal definition is “the wrong act of causing someone to reasonably fear imminent harm “ which doesn’t seem to be what Mel did, her behavior is disgusting and shitty and I def think is sexual abuse, but not sexual assault. This isn’t to say victims of online sexual abuse aren’t valid or don’t have the right to feel the way they do, it’s just not in the same category. And while everyone’s saying “well you can have your opinion” Sexual abuse terms are not something that should just be “up to interpretation” and “agree to disagree” as they’re serious allegations with serious ramifications, so a line in the sand needs to be drawn to not risk watering down these terms I’m a SA and grooming victim myself btw
I am only half way into listening to this video in the background, and I find it fucking crazy, and GROSS how the people trying to expose Quartelz is acting like THEY are entitled to speak up for who they thing is the VICTIM in this situation????? Are you fucking serious?? How are you going to insult and basically berate he victim for not believing they are a victim, while acting like you are entitled to spread around they are a victim without THEIR say in it??? This video so far is pretty good and I agree with all your points, this just upsets tf out of me as a grooming victim myself and how mishandled this is.
It's come to my attention that all of the people making fun of her for stupid little mistakes are her ex friends. Kind of shady tbh. I agree Mel should've been more responsible but she's new to being an adult and I think people are criticizing her too much.
My only question about Khai meeting Mel irl is whose idea was it in the first place? If it was Quartelz idea then it just adds onto the grooming allegations more and proves that Mel is grooming Khai. Not only is she allowing Khai to act sexually in a primarily minor server while also not being at the required age limit to join, but she is also actively seeking out someone underage to come fly out to Australia to meet her. Adding onto this if it was Khai's idea, why would Mel agree? Khai is a 15-16. She is 19. There should be no reason for a legal adult to meet with a child alone, especially if they've never met in real life before and only ever had internet-based interactions. If they'd like to meet they should've waited for Khai to either be an adult or meet as a group with other trusted people (adults preferably) and spend the day together in public. I'm afraid for Khai since considering Quartelz's sexual abuse allegations I'm worried what will happen.
I mean. even if it WAS khai's idea to meet up and not Mel, from what Khai is saying it seems like Mel agreed to meeting up with them so it's still a big problem.
Commenting as I go thro the vid, this will be editted later But at 10:54 I wanna point out that it is ok for Quartelz to state she was uncomfortable after the sexual encounters, but she didn't just do that She specifically stated that she felt like she was forced to do a lot of the sexual acts, which is not true, because she gave her consent. It's not that she felt uncomfortable that's the issue, but the fact she lied about how the events went This isn't a hate comment, your video has been solid so far, just pointing out something I felt was necessary Edit 1: At around 15:45 I also wanna point out that this isn't just 1 dance, in streams Mel and the others are extremely sexual towards each other, which isn't a problem if they were all in the same age rage, Khai is constantly in the center of jokes like "getting pounded" and "whipped", this is normalizing something that should not be normalized, a 18 y0 should be responsible and understand that these types of jokes should NOT be made with a 15 y0, it's just not appropriate, especially if it's done in big platform in front of a lot of people. It's sexualizing a child in front of her also child audience, it's worthy of criticism because it is unsafe and creepy It's not just jokes when it's possibly damaging a child's mind, because being exposed to these things at such a young age can mess up the view of sexual things to the minor Edit 2: Finished the video and my conclusion is that your points are overall good, we should not go down to Mel's level because it takes from the situation and can give Mel ammunition to dismiss the important points and focus on the fact "they were rude to me". I think your video was well structured and you made your points clear!
I appreciate you making this video, it's laid out very neatly and is pretty well rounded the only thing I really don't agree with is your stance on the S/A, though you are entitled to your own opinion/interpretation of what happened, I know its kind of the bare minimum but I really appreciate the fact that you made it clear that even if it weren't assault it's still sexual abuse and just as bad though
Honestly completely off topic from the video topic I LOVE ur voice omg !! I don’t think it sounds weird at all if anything it’s actually pretty satisfying 2 listen 2 !! ^.^
This video was overall really well done and respectful, and it’s the only video I’ve been able to sit through on this situation, so thank you for that!
Their video definitely wasn’t helping the situation imo. Delululite and Voided were the only ones that were actually informative and mature about the situation 🙏
Personally i dont see why theres a difference between ‘’online sexual assault’’ and ‘’real life sexual assault’ as a sa. Surivor ive been throught both. Ive been ‘’h8mped’’ on games, chased around with people saying sexual things wven when i told them to stop. I repeatedly said i was age reging due to being stressed out. Sure i could of have left. But i was afk at the time at first and just realized what they were doing. It doesn’t seem right to separate them especially considering vr exist. People have been toyed with grabbed at etc . I get your point in the argument what happened wasnt ‘’technically assault’’ . But it still can be considered assault if the person is underaged. No minor can consent until the age of consent. So even if they didnt see it as assault. Legally it is . And yes if they are in different states its automatically 18 and older for both parties. Both online and real life assault is vaild. Verbal assault is also possible. Especially quartz telling them ‘’they had problems jorking off’’ being minors they automatically couldn’t consent to that. Even if they said they did legally they did not. It’s even morally wrong and questionable to think the opposite. Infact i was sent messages while i was 12, that should never be sent to a middle schooler without asking? Was it in real life ? No. But its still considered assault. Verbal assault. I hope this helps or brings a bigger understanding (If im wrong about them being minors i apologize but my point still remains)
the correct term for “verbal assault” is sexual harassment !! they’re different terms that apply to different situations( also for the minor adult stuff, an adult making sexual advances to a child would be a predator, but i don’t believe it comes under sexual assault, unless they physically do something to that child, however that doesn’t take away from the seriousness from it, it’s still predatory harassment)
@@shister06 i see it as assault because they never agreed to it. Verbally can still be considered assault. They didnt verbally consent to hearing it or being told it but i get your point. I think its both harassment and assault to be honest. They did do something and it was verbally telling a minor something a minor shouldn’t be ever told. Legally making it a charge against them
Ita not just being touched psychically, psychologically and verbally exist. Some people have phantom touch and even just mentioning them be assaulted they could feel it i have it myself. Its more of a difficult situation to be honest
@@shister06 'course! you held yourself well in this video and i think again that you did great handling this, its lovely to hear a completely outside perspective. good work, keep it up.
Completely unrelated to the video but for some reason with my headphones on the sound in this video doesn't seem like it's coming from the left nor the right it just sounds like someone is talking from right behind me and it's mildly disturbing
35:25 going to paste my comment regarding the satanism i commented on the last video! pretty late to responding to this, but as a satanist, it's incredibly tiring seeing artists use these symbols in a way that makes it 'spooky' or 'interesting' with no reasoning behind it. i feel the same seeing people using symbols from other religions as well, and i find it infuriating that her fans are defending this simply because its a satanist and pagan symbol. it is upsetting that if she was using a symbol from a "popular" religion in the same way she is using the pentacle, almost nobody would defend her. i am certain that the main reason people defend her doing this is simply because of double standard towards paganism and satanism,,, for some reason its okay to make our religion an aesthetic more than others? i simply do not understand this logic but thats just how it is, i guess.
I have mixed views on depicting drug usage in art/OCS as I do it with a specific character of mine. I use to dabble in coke and still think about it from time to time, having a character that I can channel those urges into helps me not revert to past shitty tendencies. Idk if this artist is doing the same or not, and neither do you/anyone so I feel like we can't fully judge it. Though if she's gonna post art with the themes she shouldn't be using tags that deviate from the topic,and should be flagging it 18+ and with trigger warnings for the topic. People can vent however they'd like, but not everyone wants to see it and they should be shielded from it is my general ruling. And children don't need to see all forms of art
A lot of this online sexual stuff has been happening for years. But there's not much we can really do about it. Besides, be careful about who the people we talk, don't give me. Wrong. I think this is terrible in every Way I am a youtuber myself and I've never gotten, This intimate with any of my fans And the fact that A youtuber is doing this is just absolutely crazy to me. Like how f***** u* can be!? And The fact that this adult, if you will was a lie. Was allowing this to happen and didn't stop it at first. Really tells you the kind of f***** u* People there are on this g****** world.
so now that i’ve watched the video (specifically the part criticizing my video on the matter), i’d like to say a few things i really appreciate your ability to criticize what i said without being rude or mean. lots of people in my comments section seem to think i make mistakes in my video on purpose or something like that, when that’s not the case. im human like everyone else, and i get things wrong like everyone else. i’d also like to say that the whole thing about it “not being s/a” is kind of just. wrong? i think? at least in my opinion? i didnt explain this in MY video super well, but what mel did falls under trickery because she lied about her intentions with clover and voided. thats kinda just my opinion (and everyone on “our side”’s opinion), so it might be wrong. also, me criticizing her art and being mean to her is absolutely personal, and i don’t regret it at all. my video is intended to be my opinion, and in my opinion, her art and animation are not the best. you can disagree, of course, but the way you kind of make me seem like a bad person for lightly criticizing it is kinda weird to me. i explained this in my pinned comment, but the reason i brought up her art style was to show how she can’t take criticism, as shown in the screenshots i showed, but i clearly didnt do that in the best way and i’ll try and be more clear moving forward, since i definitely think i should have expanded/explained more in depth. in my opinion, i think what mel is doing with khai is in fact grooming. everything shes doing would be much less concerning if khai wasnt her biggest fan before they became friends, and the fact that mel has 119k subscribers and is 19 in comparison to khai definitely, in my opinion, makes the situation a lot more concerning. i also don’t think insulting khai makes my points against them any less valid or important - admittedly, i’m so aggressive in my video because of the things voided informed me of in private, which obviously has swayed my opinion on them. i’m also not super sympathetic towards them because they are generally just a massive dickhead towards people, but again, i didnt show that a lot in the video so i have no proof n such. if there’s anything else i missed or anything you’d like me to clarify/comment on please let me know, i’m completely open to having a dialogue with you and clarifying anything you’d like to know. overall, great video! your voice is super calming and your art is adorable. thank you for featuring me!
No one is saying that Mel being a Satanist is bad, the problem is how they decide to portray their beliefs and their misconceptions on their own religion (like saying they don't use the pentacle because 'it means evil' as if it isn't the official symbol of the religion)
I feel bad for drawing different cultures since im afraid ill do it wrong, even when i look up the culture i still get this ache that ill misrepresent it, same with fat, i want to draw it but the way i try to fold it looks wrong, its a skill issue tho🥲 one day ill learn and then ill be free (idk why im commenting this ig i want tips )
Try making fan art of other people's oc's that are different cultures. Characters are also pretty good to! Just do some research to make sure that they are considered good representation.
i wondered how long it would take for me to make a classic commentary thumbnail like… that, needless to say it was very quick
reminder that im on a new medication for my epilepsy, ive been very disoriented due to it!!! if i say anything that sounds off then pls don’t hesitate to ask about it!!
if i offend anyone let me know, i don’t want to be disrespectful to anyone, i have very pure intentions with these types of videos
my next few videos will probably be animations, because this was a loooong video to make, i spent at least 10 hours on it (: so i hope you find it a little entertaining
Hello! I was the creator of the third video you talked about. I just wanna say that this is actually a very well put together video and I appreciate that you were respectful as well as giving your critiques!!! I know for myself that my video wasnt the best and I couldve expanded on certain things but overall I'm glad that you understood my points! I'm also glad that you treated this situation with the respect it needs and its nice that a 3rd party can give their own takes on the matter
Why did u take it down?
About her art, I get being scared to draw poc and different bodies. I think it's really nice to learn how to draw different races, cultures, bodies, etc !! I personally love doing it ^^!! I think drawing characters you're not used to drawing can help you improve a lot and can let you get some constructive criticism from others ! I also really like playing with different features in general :P
Yes. While one is not obligated to have it present in every single work it's a pretty nice thing to learn to either flex or show you're capable in a work field.
In my opinion it isnt really that hard, especially with her style thats not realistic
@@Mystiqued If you mean it shouldn't be too hard for her to draw different bodies and stuff I can agree !! but the thing is, you need practice to be able to draw different bodies. I do think she could improve from that though ! ^^
Looking into this situation as an adult who was sexually abused online by a peer years ago,, I just don't like how these ex friends are constantly throwing around insults like "sex pest" and "sexual assaulter". It really just does look like an immature situation that got uncomfortable as the friendship slowly crashed and burned. The people involved are allowed to feel a certain way about how things happened, but this is in my view being taken from a very minor situation that should have been dealt with care and caution to a full blown teen drama where they air any and all dirty laundry for fairly petty reasons. This should have been a matter taken care of by adult guardians/parents, not by an internet mob made up of mostly children.
THANK U FOR SAYING THIS
@@Roomvoid_ It feels like one of those things where people use to report on younger celebrities.
Finally some clarity ;-;
Mari's video is the least helpful so far despite having some useful info (which other commentators would have mentioned with better clarity)
It's unserious tone is a spit in the face to the victims (plus, being rude about art style is no where as bad as being an alleged exploiter).
The video comes across as insincere (despite Mari claiming that she did take the SA part seriously) which is why I never commented on her vid while I did for Delululite (who at least structured it better) or Mewozie (who discusses mainly art problems).
The person in the first video put me off immediately. Even if it is their opinion..If you’re gonna call someone out for their actions, don’t bring up the media they like. What does Quartelz’s“obsession” with Hazbin Hotel have to do with them being a groomer?? Lmao leave Hazbin Hitel fans out of this💀💀💀
Agreed. A lot of the first video put me off guard, especially when they called Khai stupid after literally acknowledging that the possibility they were being manipulated.
Semi off topic but for the third video I believe, I thought it was weird to hate on Mel for liking pyschocuties (sharing it to a younger audience- okay that’s at least reasonable to be upset). A lot of this artists controversies aren’t well known to English speakers as far as I’m aware. Especially since a chunk of them were on VK (as the artist is Russian).
Made a comment on the first video pretty mad about the sexual assault thing because they were blatantly wrong to call them a rap!st
Their only response was "log off touch grass" and then a bunch of people started attacking me until I gave up completely
They sound like a child, so did anyone commenting which is extra worrying because they're throwing around serious false accusations while lacking the maturity to take them on
I agree. The other side against Mel is very quick to be insultive towards anyone who disagrees with them. It’s honestly hard to take them all seriously when most of them just shuts down different views with insults. You shouldn’t stoop down the same level as Shister said. Delululite and Voided did the best out of the others and were the only ones who handled it maturely, so I understand & agree with some of their points.
@@Lavellanratthank you for saying this😓 im so sorry you got attacked, you were not wrong at all. saying SA is something that can happen ONLINE is just watering it down. yes it was bad, it was sexual harassment but it was definitely not sa.
@@Gavinno1hater I don't take the attacks too seriously, the commentators were clearly children. It was more frustrating than anything and made me delete the comment entirely since it was just pointless to argue with people who already decided I'm wrong.
Although, like I said, they were very young clearly and it's very concerning that kids are going around calling themselves SA survivors because of a discord call or a roleplay they didn't enjoy. It's not watering down the issue to point out it's not what they experienced, they're doing harm to themselves by convincing themselves they went through horrific traumas they might otherwise have easily moved from. And then go on to spread misinformation and harm others indirectly.
The internet's tendency to engage in trauma olympics and glamorize victimhood is going to cause some serious issues in a lot of young people online because it teaches them to overreact instead of helping them cope
Honestly this video is really well put together and I actually love your voice it's so calm and nice to listen to like it scratches the right part of ADHD brain It's so satisfying
WAWAWAWWW THANK YOU
19:49 (sorry if the person im referring to uses different pronouns pls correct me) actually THANK YOU for saying this because saying that someone is possibly being gr2med and then calling them stupid for falling for "obvious manipulation" as shes making it out to be is actually insane. as someone who has been grsmed twice and has gone through manipulative abuse its insane hearing someone insult a potential victim after acknowledging how serious the situation is, i get being angry about potential online stsual abtse but taking it out on the potential victims is NOT at ALL okay. doesn't matter how old someone is, its not always obvious to someone.
it like legitimately hurts to hear them talk twords the potential victim like that.
This is literally the most mature video I’ve seen on this situation
And I see so many mixed opinions on the SA thing, and I think their main point is that we shouldn’t be equating physical SA and Online SA, which is why I think there’s an issue with just slapping the term SA onto the situation when there’s probably a better term for it. Especially when the basic definition of assault quite literally has the word physical in most definitions, but the legal definition is “the wrong act of causing someone to reasonably fear imminent harm “ which doesn’t seem to be what Mel did, her behavior is disgusting and shitty and I def think is sexual abuse, but not sexual assault. This isn’t to say victims of online sexual abuse aren’t valid or don’t have the right to feel the way they do, it’s just not in the same category.
And while everyone’s saying “well you can have your opinion” Sexual abuse terms are not something that should just be “up to interpretation” and “agree to disagree” as they’re serious allegations with serious ramifications, so a line in the sand needs to be drawn to not risk watering down these terms
I’m a SA and grooming victim myself btw
People need to understand how to use the terms properly because it gets really confusing when used like one and the same.
OH MY GOD THANK YOU!!!! As a sa victim i was really bothered by the way they phrased that. Mels actions were gross but it was NOT sa.
YES THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE VIDEOS ON THIS TY
i hope* I covered this topic well enough !!!!! I HAVE BEEN RLY OUT OF IT SO I HABE NO IDEA IF I MAKE SENSE AT ALL IN MY VIDEO
I am only half way into listening to this video in the background, and I find it fucking crazy, and GROSS how the people trying to expose Quartelz is acting like THEY are entitled to speak up for who they thing is the VICTIM in this situation????? Are you fucking serious?? How are you going to insult and basically berate he victim for not believing they are a victim, while acting like you are entitled to spread around they are a victim without THEIR say in it???
This video so far is pretty good and I agree with all your points, this just upsets tf out of me as a grooming victim myself and how mishandled this is.
It's come to my attention that all of the people making fun of her for stupid little mistakes are her ex friends. Kind of shady tbh. I agree Mel should've been more responsible but she's new to being an adult and I think people are criticizing her too much.
My only question about Khai meeting Mel irl is whose idea was it in the first place? If it was Quartelz idea then it just adds onto the grooming allegations more and proves that Mel is grooming Khai. Not only is she allowing Khai to act sexually in a primarily minor server while also not being at the required age limit to join, but she is also actively seeking out someone underage to come fly out to Australia to meet her. Adding onto this if it was Khai's idea, why would Mel agree?
Khai is a 15-16. She is 19. There should be no reason for a legal adult to meet with a child alone, especially if they've never met in real life before and only ever had internet-based interactions. If they'd like to meet they should've waited for Khai to either be an adult or meet as a group with other trusted people (adults preferably) and spend the day together in public. I'm afraid for Khai since considering Quartelz's sexual abuse allegations I'm worried what will happen.
I mean. even if it WAS khai's idea to meet up and not Mel, from what Khai is saying it seems like Mel agreed to meeting up with them so it's still a big problem.
I liked how this video feels calm and slow, your voice sounds very soothing, calm and soft and it just gives me a light hearted sensation :3
WAW thank you
adhd brain somehow focused in for this!!!!!1!!!!! (NO JOKE)
This also happened to me 🙋
WHA SAME?? :0
TWINNING..
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Commenting as I go thro the vid, this will be editted later
But at 10:54 I wanna point out that it is ok for Quartelz to state she was uncomfortable after the sexual encounters, but she didn't just do that
She specifically stated that she felt like she was forced to do a lot of the sexual acts, which is not true, because she gave her consent. It's not that she felt uncomfortable that's the issue, but the fact she lied about how the events went
This isn't a hate comment, your video has been solid so far, just pointing out something I felt was necessary
Edit 1: At around 15:45 I also wanna point out that this isn't just 1 dance, in streams Mel and the others are extremely sexual towards each other, which isn't a problem if they were all in the same age rage, Khai is constantly in the center of jokes like "getting pounded" and "whipped", this is normalizing something that should not be normalized, a 18 y0 should be responsible and understand that these types of jokes should NOT be made with a 15 y0, it's just not appropriate, especially if it's done in big platform in front of a lot of people. It's sexualizing a child in front of her also child audience, it's worthy of criticism because it is unsafe and creepy
It's not just jokes when it's possibly damaging a child's mind, because being exposed to these things at such a young age can mess up the view of sexual things to the minor
Edit 2: Finished the video and my conclusion is that your points are overall good, we should not go down to Mel's level because it takes from the situation and can give Mel ammunition to dismiss the important points and focus on the fact "they were rude to me". I think your video was well structured and you made your points clear!
I appreciate you making this video, it's laid out very neatly and is pretty well rounded
the only thing I really don't agree with is your stance on the S/A, though you are entitled to your own opinion/interpretation of what happened, I know its kind of the bare minimum but I really appreciate the fact that you made it clear that even if it weren't assault it's still sexual abuse and just as bad though
yes, what you went through was horrible, and i really hope i don’t make you feel invalidated, you were used
Honestly completely off topic from the video topic I LOVE ur voice omg !! I don’t think it sounds weird at all if anything it’s actually pretty satisfying 2 listen 2 !! ^.^
THANKUUU!!!
This video was overall really well done and respectful, and it’s the only video I’ve been able to sit through on this situation, so thank you for that!
I really do not like luvlikemari. Her video put me off immediately when I watched it
Their video definitely wasn’t helping the situation imo. Delululite and Voided were the only ones that were actually informative and mature about the situation 🙏
@@Woofbarkwoof7 i agree
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gonna be so frl with you your voice is so relaxing to listen to
Personally i dont see why theres a difference between ‘’online sexual assault’’ and ‘’real life sexual assault’ as a sa. Surivor ive been throught both. Ive been ‘’h8mped’’ on games, chased around with people saying sexual things wven when i told them to stop. I repeatedly said i was age reging due to being stressed out. Sure i could of have left. But i was afk at the time at first and just realized what they were doing. It doesn’t seem right to separate them especially considering vr exist. People have been toyed with grabbed at etc . I get your point in the argument what happened wasnt ‘’technically assault’’ . But it still can be considered assault if the person is underaged. No minor can consent until the age of consent. So even if they didnt see it as assault. Legally it is . And yes if they are in different states its automatically 18 and older for both parties. Both online and real life assault is vaild. Verbal assault is also possible. Especially quartz telling them ‘’they had problems jorking off’’ being minors they automatically couldn’t consent to that. Even if they said they did legally they did not. It’s even morally wrong and questionable to think the opposite. Infact i was sent messages while i was 12, that should never be sent to a middle schooler without asking? Was it in real life ? No. But its still considered assault. Verbal assault.
I hope this helps or brings a bigger understanding
(If im wrong about them being minors i apologize but my point still remains)
the correct term for “verbal assault” is sexual harassment !! they’re different terms that apply to different situations( also for the minor adult stuff, an adult making sexual advances to a child would be a predator, but i don’t believe it comes under sexual assault, unless they physically do something to that child, however that doesn’t take away from the seriousness from it, it’s still predatory harassment)
rly hope i don’t sound aggressive ): !
EDIT I CANT SEE THE COMMENT I LEFT BUT I HOPE ITS THERE AUGH
@@shister06 i see it as assault because they never agreed to it. Verbally can still be considered assault. They didnt verbally consent to hearing it or being told it but i get your point. I think its both harassment and assault to be honest. They did do something and it was verbally telling a minor something a minor shouldn’t be ever told. Legally making it a charge against them
Ita not just being touched psychically, psychologically and verbally exist. Some people have phantom touch and even just mentioning them be assaulted they could feel it i have it myself. Its more of a difficult situation to be honest
And no you aren’t coming off aggressive just trying to prove a point
you linked the same video twice hun- you forgot mari’s. but its nice seeing an outside perspective, good job.
it should be fixed now!! thank you for telling me!!!
@@shister06 'course! you held yourself well in this video and i think again that you did great handling this, its lovely to hear a completely outside perspective. good work, keep it up.
@@junziamlow thank u sm!! (: im glad u think so
I like how you talk in your videos and how you deal with these subjects.
Also, your drawings feel calming.
Completely unrelated to the video but for some reason with my headphones on the sound in this video doesn't seem like it's coming from the left nor the right it just sounds like someone is talking from right behind me and it's mildly disturbing
35:25 going to paste my comment regarding the satanism i commented on the last video!
pretty late to responding to this, but as a satanist, it's incredibly tiring seeing artists use these symbols in a way that makes it 'spooky' or 'interesting' with no reasoning behind it. i feel the same seeing people using symbols from other religions as well, and i find it infuriating that her fans are defending this simply because its a satanist and pagan symbol. it is upsetting that if she was using a symbol from a "popular" religion in the same way she is using the pentacle, almost nobody would defend her. i am certain that the main reason people defend her doing this is simply because of double standard towards paganism and satanism,,, for some reason its okay to make our religion an aesthetic more than others? i simply do not understand this logic but thats just how it is, i guess.
I have mixed views on depicting drug usage in art/OCS as I do it with a specific character of mine. I use to dabble in coke and still think about it from time to time, having a character that I can channel those urges into helps me not revert to past shitty tendencies. Idk if this artist is doing the same or not, and neither do you/anyone so I feel like we can't fully judge it. Though if she's gonna post art with the themes she shouldn't be using tags that deviate from the topic,and should be flagging it 18+ and with trigger warnings for the topic. People can vent however they'd like, but not everyone wants to see it and they should be shielded from it is my general ruling. And children don't need to see all forms of art
Unrelated but your art style is yummy😋 /pos
A lot of this online sexual stuff has been happening for years. But there's not much we can really do about it.
Besides, be careful about who the people we talk, don't give me.
Wrong. I think this is terrible in every Way I am a youtuber myself and I've never gotten, This intimate with any of my fans And the fact that A youtuber is doing this is just absolutely crazy to me.
Like how f***** u* can be!? And The fact that this adult, if you will was a lie. Was allowing this to happen and didn't stop it at first. Really tells you the kind of f***** u* People there are on this g****** world.
The main reason i dress like a guy on games is so people dont bother me, i keep to myself
so now that i’ve watched the video (specifically the part criticizing my video on the matter), i’d like to say a few things
i really appreciate your ability to criticize what i said without being rude or mean. lots of people in my comments section seem to think i make mistakes in my video on purpose or something like that, when that’s not the case. im human like everyone else, and i get things wrong like everyone else.
i’d also like to say that the whole thing about it “not being s/a” is kind of just. wrong? i think? at least in my opinion? i didnt explain this in MY video super well, but what mel did falls under trickery because she lied about her intentions with clover and voided. thats kinda just my opinion (and everyone on “our side”’s opinion), so it might be wrong.
also, me criticizing her art and being mean to her is absolutely personal, and i don’t regret it at all. my video is intended to be my opinion, and in my opinion, her art and animation are not the best. you can disagree, of course, but the way you kind of make me seem like a bad person for lightly criticizing it is kinda weird to me.
i explained this in my pinned comment, but the reason i brought up her art style was to show how she can’t take criticism, as shown in the screenshots i showed, but i clearly didnt do that in the best way and i’ll try and be more clear moving forward, since i definitely think i should have expanded/explained more in depth.
in my opinion, i think what mel is doing with khai is in fact grooming. everything shes doing would be much less concerning if khai wasnt her biggest fan before they became friends, and the fact that mel has 119k subscribers and is 19 in comparison to khai definitely, in my opinion, makes the situation a lot more concerning. i also don’t think insulting khai makes my points against them any less valid or important - admittedly, i’m so aggressive in my video because of the things voided informed me of in private, which obviously has swayed my opinion on them. i’m also not super sympathetic towards them because they are generally just a massive dickhead towards people, but again, i didnt show that a lot in the video so i have no proof n such.
if there’s anything else i missed or anything you’d like me to clarify/comment on please let me know, i’m completely open to having a dialogue with you and clarifying anything you’d like to know. overall, great video! your voice is super calming and your art is adorable. thank you for featuring me!
im glad you found the video to be good!! (: and imm glad you took it well,!!
ur voice is fine jit dw u sound fire 🔥🔥
Epic video Shimmy well done ‼️‼️
quartelz video (2 billion views)
also the way my voice sounds when im sped up is so fucking embarrassing i need to explode right now.
Are you ok
Wait a minute? She's a groomer or not?
_Do you think she's a groomer?_
@Agmarsatia7 i'm still confuse about both sides tbh
@@ponikoTV _Why?_
ARE YOU BRITISH..............
Im homosexual
ts demure 😂 ima sub to you when my mom lets me
This 👍
nothing wrong with being satanist, please do some research
No one is saying that Mel being a Satanist is bad, the problem is how they decide to portray their beliefs and their misconceptions on their own religion (like saying they don't use the pentacle because 'it means evil' as if it isn't the official symbol of the religion)
@@kaedenahrwhal8325 that's not what I'm sayin, it was cut off at a bad time during the video editing/not explained clearly
I feel bad for drawing different cultures since im afraid ill do it wrong, even when i look up the culture i still get this ache that ill misrepresent it, same with fat, i want to draw it but the way i try to fold it looks wrong, its a skill issue tho🥲 one day ill learn and then ill be free (idk why im commenting this ig i want tips )
Try making fan art of other people's oc's that are different cultures. Characters are also pretty good to! Just do some research to make sure that they are considered good representation.
@@Fudgeanimates TYYY
The audio here is a bit fucky. Its hard to watch because i keep having to adjust my volume based on whos talking 🫤
yup im aware ):
@shister06 maybe you could try gettin some sounding foam, or try recording in a closet or smaller room. It can help pick up your voice better 😃
watched the full thing 🫡
YEAHHH