hi proship twt and tumblr, stop misgendering me bc i disagree w u….!! it is very clear that none of you have researched my channel or even watched this video before assuming things about my trauma , so please do so before you form an opinion , thank u! edit: idk why the video disappears at 4:50 AUGHH ive rerendered this videos so many times please excuse the editing mistakes!! ): BTW!!! in case this video reaches people, i prefer that ppl don’t only subscribe for videos like this, I usually just post animations (mostly vents) but if u like my art then haiii welcome im open to any criticism but ppl being rude or just harassment will be ignored yaaauur :3 i try to be verryy level headed for this type of stuff, as i find a lot of commentary channels have a weird complex.,.,…. soooo i hope this is kinda a fresher format/ attitude (:
@@nbfoxxyeah. They are crying how they get harassed but people are just saying truth, you can't be groomed by media. They were groomed by a person, but if they werent and said that it made em paraphilic, then its not once again fault of the media but either Shister is fucked up in the brain or something happened to em when they were young because healthy brain wont allow you to break the line of fiction and reality. But of course, antis once again are gaslighting and playing the victim when someon corrects them And their minions are enabling their bad behaviour. Thats such an anti thing im not surprised, my god i'm tired.
@@shister06 hey like... dont spread lies??? they literally just said they're not jewish, that doesnt make her antisimetic, she literaly told everyone to NOT be
"accidental murder does not exist" manslaughter, negligant homicide, involuntary homicide. All count as accidental murder because someone did not have the intention of killing someone but it did happen. it does exist.
My brain is slowly becomes disappointed every time I hear her say murder cannot be an accident accidental murder is not a thing when there's literal manslaughter💀
@@CYCL0PZZZZexactly, it’s not just black and white, even if p3dophilia is only attracted to prepubescent children, it’s still illegal for adults to s3xualise minors
@@shister06 I personally think pr0shipping is the same as sh, so MG is basically glorifying sh. Get her some therapy. Harrassing her would only make her kts or try to.
I love how proshippers claim to have anti harassment stances and then go out of their way to bitch in your comment secion and make callout posts on their own platforms. Actual hypocrites, I thought they were all for not going after people for making things you don't like?
@@leafface5890 then maybe y'all shouldn't make your identity about not attacking people over fiction when the fiction you defend is actively harmful. This is why everyone sees 'proshipper' as the net equivalent to a 'kick me' sign on your back.
@@TheSirZparity In one of the communities im in a known member got a job working for the game in question, but was then fired and basically deplatformed for drawing NSFW of child characters soon after. Are you saying we should have just let them have a large platform in a community FULL of minors and just... Hoped they didn't act on their fantasies? Would that really have been the safest move?
I never knew how to bring this up but growing up i used to normalize this (proshipping) because i was treated sexualized as a kid(not meant as an excuse) and i confused it for love, its wrong and honestly now i just despise any proshipper art i did lots of research to just burn that idea of it and it worked, your video genuinely helped me in no words i can describe so thank you for having this video and opinion💕💕‼️
Comparing drawing and probably coping with self harm to dubiously legal (Depending on the country) sexual material meant to arouse the artist and viewer is crazy work
All depictions of fiction should exist, including the nasty and ugly. However, there is a clear difference to depicting it in story, vent art/writing, or straight up jerking to it. Proshippers are people that ENJOY ships with problematic themes. Tuca and Birdie is an amazing series that shows the trauma of childhood SA from a victim's perspective. Birdie was a little girl who was SAed by a lifeguard at a summer camp, her SA was not shown but it was heavily implied in such a haunting and scary way. When her swimsuit, hanging on a wire, blows away. The forest turning into a dark tunnel as she goes deeper, following the lifeguard. You can portray dark themes and topics in an artistic way but there is a fine line you HAVE to watch out for.
@@PhantasiaPhe damn. i wanna say i know who youre talking about... theres a couple of people here ive noticed who are just lurking and jumping at every opportunity to correct people. sorry bout that
I also want to make a video on mushroom girl’s proshipping video. I disagree with mushroom girl although I think people are going way to far hate spamming her. Hate doesn’t solve conflict. It makes conflict worse.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT debating publicly and hating on MG wont solve ANYTHING !! i strongly disagree on MGs opinion but hating wont change any part of the debate
@@aziemazie EXACTLY!! People recording MG without her consent and hating on her actually only makes people who disagree with MG look bad! I disagree with MG but that doesn’t excuse harassment.
personally i think it people are going to post darkships and such it should be on a private account where no minors can see it. ive heard that therapists recommend exploring trauma and coping through fiction, and i think that does work, but for specific people. it isnt one size fits all, and it can be incredibly damaging for some while working well for others
@@slavcvlt minors as in...minors. but tbf, i dont think anybody who is easily influenced by content should be viewing darkship content. i just specify minors because of how it could be extra dangerous for them to engage in such content.
As an ex pro shipper you speak facts Also I love how your voice sounds Edit:Glad for the nice comments before 8 months ago I was such a perverse person and ruined many people’s lives (I stopped being Pro Ship 3 year ago but it still ruined me) but I changed these nice comments make me so happy hope that no matter what you did you will always be redeemed if you actually change,those fictional things can affect who you are I am example of that and detoxing yourself from it helps like if you don’t believe that fiction can affect reality you need to touch grass-Love Condor Edit 2:Some of you in the replies need to get a life lol Edit 3:A 100 replies over this comment tf
Glad that you could change for the better, and realize the harms in pro-shipping even if the characters are fictional! (Here's hoping Mushroom Girl can do the same)
8:06 My personal opinion on "r-pe vs murder" is that rape is psychologically traumatic. In the long run, it does much more harm than murder does. You don't have to do moral leaps of faith or really any jumps to understand how badly r-pe can affect a person and even others around them. Someone can be affected for decades after sexual assault, and can do so much damage on their mental state. (Although I don't want to sound like I'm downplaying murder, murder is still awful. Ending someone's life is never right.)
Yeah I totally agree. I think if we boil down the R@pe vs. Murder argument down to statical probability of the two, we're implying that in a world in which R@pe isn't as common it would be ok to s3xualize or make light of r@pe. Alongside the way our brain processes r@pe, s3xual violence of any kind cannot be excusable or justifiable, physical violence can, there can be a situation in which physical violence can be funny.
@@shuichiswifey another thing, in the way of a technicality, one extra person has to deal with the resulting mental consequences of r@pe With murder, the loved ones of the victims suffer but the victims themselves are dead and gone With r@pe, the loved ones of the victims suffer not to the same degree as the victim but also the victim is still around to suffer Okay this sounded very weird but hopefully it got my point across…?
i kinda get this, but also, not everyone feels the same. some people specifically escaped being murdered because of being assaulted. some people have been threatened with both. i think that may be the case for you, and thats ok, but some people do not agree and may take offense to that, esp if they've had to go through those things. many people may even feel the opposite. i think its a highly personal thing
I dislike how identifying as a pro-shipper is seen as the same thing as being "anti-harassment." Both sides have terrible people in them that use the label to do terrible things. Just because someone identifies as a pro-shipper doesn't mean they won't harass someone or make callout posts, this video is a perfect example of that. "Its okay when WE do it" is NOT a good look.
@@rubyred6608760 omg I wish I saw this comment earlier because I completely agree. Someone I don’t remember where in the comments section compared themselves to the queer community fighting back against homophobes and all I can say is as a bi woman I have not once gone out of my way to go to a homophobe’s video or profile to attack them. I just ignore them… If they’re that anti harassment then why don’t they just ignore and block? That’s what a lot of antis I’ve met (emphasis on I’ve met) do for proshippers (hell, they have DNIs that say proshippers) I’ll acknowledge that not all antis are like that however… something proshippers don’t seem to do. At least in my experience and definitely in this comment section
12:00 is SUCH A GOOD POINT!!! & all your other points really are very good. defo one of the better videos on the subject & in a weird way your commentary style is like kinda comforting.
@@Multi-Fandom.Mutant You don't unfriend a cs@ survivor or a mentally ill person for ctting themselves or being hyp3rsexual do you? Pr0shipping is sh. That's why and sometimes all friends can do is wait for the person to admit they need therapy since that is being a good friend. No, I'm not going to abandon friends who could kts or are s3lf h@rming, that's horrible.
THINKING THAT IRL CP DOESN'T IMPACT VICTIMS IS INSANE. LIKE THAT'S A DIARRHEA TAKE. Edit. I misheard what mashroom girl said, she said it doesn't influence predators but that's STILL an HORRENDOUS TAKE!!
@ButtersTweekLuka not only is it insane but it proved us right. MG's support of fictional CP, slowly normalized the idea of s3xualizing children in her mind, leading her to defending literal p3d0philia.
I apologize if I thought MG's speech impediment was a fake cutesy voice at first. I do want her to improve as a person. Loli/Shota is anime p3d0philia. Let's not romanticize incest, grape, abuse, etc.
Thought crimes aren't real, and someone's thoughts and intentions won't *EVER* be as relevant as their attitudes; which is to say, anyone can want and think any disgusting thing, as violent as it gets, and, at the end of the day, it'll remain a disgusting desire or thought. Only that. The more taboo paraphilias squick me out, too, but what really annoys me in antiship/anti-proship arguments is how y'all make thoughts and desire as if they're actions. *They're not.* Yeah, I know you guys are tired of hearing it, but since it hasn't been processed I'll say it again: it causes no harm. It is disgusting, it is weird, it makes us want to stay as far away as possible. But it's not causing harm on the physical world in itself. Your points on neuroanatomy are new to me, I'll look into it. Quite creative and solid of you.
What I do agree, though, is that intense and prolonged exposure to YYY content, be that what it may, could influence a person's perception of what's acceptable and what should remain in fictional land.
Thank you for bringing up the thing about adults being affected by that type of content as well. People seem to think that the second you turn 18 your just completely immune to manipulation witch isn’t true
I think most functioning adults who don’t have a major mental disability can understand the difference between fiction and reality. But most of you kids aren’t live with a functioning family are you?
Funny how she talks about maturing as a person bc for me it was the opposite, I was exposed to that type of stuff when I was 12-14 and thought it was normal, bc of course a kid that age being attracted to kids and fictional characters the same age is normal, but growing up I started to realize a lot of it was adults drawing that stuff and I realized how not okay it was. And most I was exposed to it was through watching anime, or fanart, and I didn't fully have the understanding it was adults making those shows and a lot of the art. Growing up, some of my friends, and other people I know, were exposed to this type of content as young teens, by adults who used fictional characters to groom them and abuse them. It wasn't called proshipping then bc it was like 2007 but it was very similar in spirit. And some of them have checked on what their abusers are up to now and some of them are in community with the proshippers now, using the same language and same talking points proshippers do. So why should I support a community that I know for a fact has people who have abused people I know, a community that only makes it easier for them to find more victims. I'm seeing the same exact communities, same situations, conversations and tactics, where it's easy to groom minors being replicated. So that's why I can't be on board with 'it causes no harm'. I don't think every single person has bad intentions behind it, but I think it makes it VERY appealing community for abusers looking to groom minors. Of course I can't prove anything and some won't believe me because of that and that is fine. But I have heard many other similar stories from strangers over the years, who got groomed in these sort of places online. Just because you haven't heard about the harm doesn't mean the harm isn't there. But some people only believe it if it happened to them personally or someone they know personally.
SHISTERRRRRR! Good to see you again, I've been meaning to support your content again! I'm really happy you're making a response to this, I loved reading your guide about properly portraying & depicting the very sensitive subject of CSA in stories & media.
Yeah with Mushroom, it honestly feels like talking to a brick wall. But I am very happy for Soph trying to talk her out of this mindset, if unsuccessful.
edit: i made an honest mistake posting this comment. to preface, i am *not* a pro-shipper; i don't agree nor do i align with all facets of the term. i do, however, think it is more nuance then just one vs other, and the two sides of the argument are balanced on the razor-thin blade that is censorship. it's possible i'm misconstruing the concepts as a whole, and it's possible that i'm plain wrong. but i believe that some content simply should not exist. that doesn't mean we'll ever be able to stop all production of such content, i'm aware of that, but anyone with a moral compass should know... not to make it; i believe that fiction can and does affect reality. you are free to create whatever you'd like, but you are not free from the consequence it might carry. (original comment from here on) i agree with the statement that all fiction should exist, but in a sense that i disagree with censorship. i disagree with the idea that "if its fictional, it doesn't hurt anyone"; i think you can depict whatever you want as long as it is tasteful and not romanticized. mushroom girl doesn't understand the weight of pro-shipping and she doesn't realize the way that paraphilias develop. so, you're free to draw whatever you want; but you should be aware of the consequence, as with everything sorry if this comes across as something i don't intend, i'm a little rambly at the moment... i don't agree with pro-shipping. period. hope that was clear
What weight are you blabbering about? "Pro-shipping" means to ship or for shipping you are literally saying you don't agree with shipping in general. Also i disagree on you on the "as long as it's tasteful and not romanticized"? Fiction is literally the human races' greatest tool in terms of tackling disturbing scenarios that could ever exist. If some people may want to see how far a body can be mutilated do they go to a morgue and risk getting traumatized by real bodies that used to live and exist OR they just watch a dark film that goes deep into the topic BUT without real people actually getting hurt and it's just actors that you would see on another film? Also you don't agree with censorship yet you only want the "non-disturbing" things to exist? That's is some crazy thinking LMAOOOOO
@@yamete1358 literally what did you mean by this? i really don't think you understand what i meant. i believe, for example, that it's inappropriate to display sexual violence in a positive or romanticized light. i don't see what's so crazy about that. you can depict sexual violence and all other things without treating it as sexy or a joke
Her main problem is completely ignoring the adults and victims in her comment section, both deleting or downplaying their experiences. It is one thing to have an opinion (as..terrible of a take as it is), and another thing to make your opinion seem more like an immovable statement. She truly is just severely undereducated on the topic at hand and I hate that her types of videos immediately attract enablers and create a bigger echo chamber of enablement along with content farmers who thrive on bringing NOTHING to the discussion. Even the people who're trying to..help her, are being far too soft. MG does not deserve harassment by any means, but backtracking to keep her ideologies 'unscatched' is not going to help her in any way. It just simply reenforces that 'back and forth', i.e. "I don't agree with proshipping..but MG never said fiction doesn't affect reality!' EDIT: Of course, it's not saying Soph or anyone trying to help has any responsibility for MG's actions. It's just a matter of, if you are, don't backtrack to sympathize with MG's stance.
If fiction didn't affect reality, people wouldn't use it as a coping mechanism. Longer Explanation: Fiction can affect you subconsciously. An example is feeling paranoid or nervous after watching a horror movie. Basically, it can trigger basic emotion. A fictional TV show may depict fictional characters in relatable situations, therefore triggering the audience to feel emotions. It's simple as that.
That is not even lightly connected to this though. Liking the thing does not make you want to do the thing. I like horror movies. I do not want to be in a real life horror movie or being the killer. Fiction does not affect reality in the way they want it to
Yeah, but that isn't what the guys that say "fiction affects reality" are arguing, these tards think that enjoying something morally bad in fiction will turn you into a bad person IRL
I also find the topic interesting from an outsiders perspective. I don’t support proshipping though there are a few comments I want to make more so to just add to the discussion :V You mentioned at about 3:20 that paraphilias can develop from consuming certain content. I searched a little (a bit quickly I’ll admit) and I couldn’t really find anything talking about it. It also mentions that it’s especially common for younger people do develop paraphilias rather than adults though adults developing paraphilias is still possible probably. I agree with your next statement though on how victims of sexual abuse being more likely to develop paraphilias. At around 5:15, you mention how the human brain doesn’t process murder/violence and sexual topics the same while. Although that is true, this is more just me saying that I kinda wonder why that and why they aren’t I guess morally comparable. I’m not saying they are comparable, I just wonder why. I’ve heard somewhere that it’s because people are more often than not desensitised to gore rather than sexual topics but idk tbh. Just an interesting thought tbh I’m def open to discussion on that because it’s a complicated topic like loads of topics and it should be handled with care. Def interesting to hear the viewpoint of someone who has been negatively affected by proshipping (and I def agree, saying “cutesy pedophilia” is weird af) If you are comfortable, could be interesting to hear how it affected you specifically but don’t if you din’t want to talk about it ofc 👍 Overall good points and comments :3 Yippee
I can say for like murder and sexual stuff it differs because murder for many reasons can stem differently for the person, reasons as to why it was done, in cases where we see the victim murder their abuser it is done for that reason of being tired of the abuse, not saying murder is completely justifiable just that in cases of it can range from someone wanting vengeance and such while in the case of some like sa (everything that falls into it) there is no reason that this is done, besides thinking people are owed something, thing they need it from the other and won't take no, and other such things there is no way to actively say this could be done for self defense when it is violating a human being, defiling them, reducing them to a piece of meat that you take a bite out of and discard. It impacts the person that badly it causes triggers, and other such things. Sa in general is something vile and morally most would say it falls more worse as it cannot by any means be viewed as anything but a despicable act, a vile act does to a living breathing person. There is practically nothing one can do that makes it worth it besides causing trauma to said victim/survivor of it. That to me is how murder and sa (in a general sense) differ so much, speaking as a sa victim
You put your points together very well! I have non verbal learning disorder and its probably the only reason i don't do commentary. It's nice to see someone like me out there. Mushroom girl is very much what happens when someone with zero clue how the human brain works starts talking like a shrink!
@@psychic-friend-toy-freddy The fact that her sona looks like creepshow art is hilarious. Mushroom girls sona even has the same hair style as creepshow art 😭😭😭
Hey, just wanted to drop this here, both of you are using the term "proshipping" incorrectly. Proshipping is an old fandom term that means that you essentially support people doing non-canon ships and aren't going to harass people over their ships. Its a live and let live mentaility essentially. What you both are talking about is called "darkshipping", which is intrinsically supporting illegal or taboo ships. One is just deciding to not waste your time sending hate, and just blocking and moving on, and the other is active support of possibly harmful material.
@@shister06 Unfortunately that has partially happened, but it wasn't the "darkshippers" who coopted the term. "Anti shippers" saw the policies of non-harassment and blocking and moving on and took them to be intrinsic support of harmful or problematic ships, and so conflated the term proshipping with darkshipping. I just felt it pertinent to convey the true definitions, so that one is not slandering the wrong crowd over a misunderstanding.
4:00 To compare consuming slasher film to loli/shota content and to say 'Why is one not as bad as the other?' Idk, maybe it's because killers in slasher films aren't usually portrayed in a good light!? Loli/shota content try to normalise or justify its sick content.
Not really In games like mortal kombat or fortnite (or just any pvp or (fp)s game), killing people is always celebrated, yet those actions aren't not condoned or justified in real life, because we are already taught that those things are wrong. The enjoyment stems from the context-knowing it's fiction, knowing it's separate from reality, and we won't act like that just because we play violent games. The same goes for sexual content. No matter how disturbing it can be, it is not an indicator that an individual is at risk of engaging in such behavior.
If it normalizes, then that should've happened in the 50 years that it has been around. The problem is that new anime fans think all lolis are Kanna, when there are thousands of characters that are lolis and don't have her same proportions (because loli is a body type, and is composed of a mix of different features). Also, no one cared until anime went mainstream in the west full covid. People be doing this shit just for easy clicks. Also, 90% of anime characters are "minors" but people don't care as long as they look "hot" enough
I understand that kids tend to go out of their way to find nsfw sometimes, but a lot of the time I’m pretty sure it’s by accident due to people not tagging their posts correctly or art thieves.
MG should rlly make a response to this video, u deff took a better take than most people I've seen when pointing this issue out and I feel like if she watches ur video she'll deff learn a thing or two
@@Ghoulzgutzz I highly doubt it. Plenty of people have tried to educate her but she refuses to change or recover. She’ll see this as a personal attack and double down like she always does.
@@CSDDev02you people make me sick. Why are you trying to make her change when she was anti Once and she became proship because maybe she realised that you guys act like new age fashists with th rheotics u keep using. Stop it.
@@leafface5890 Well, that’s because she basically is, saying that even real life images of children in exploitative ways doesn’t actually affect victims or predators and all
@@leafface5890 thing is self harm is really freaking bad and shouldn’t be compared to anything especially if it can be seen as glorifying. if you struggle with self harm, it being compared to a discourse online is just super gross
I don't mind if a story has dark topics as long as it's not seen as a good thing or isn't just for shock value. I'm sorry if anyone downplayed your trauma.
i know some proship/comships arent problematic but im so sorry u where a victim of that and hope u feel better for it, my main issues as i think mushroom girl is being gr**med into proshipping since some people mostly minors get into it by weirdos gr**ming them and thats my main problem with proshippers (not all of them are gr**mers dont take it at heart) SOME proships end up gr**ming minors into it and i believe thats the case from mushroom girl since its a minor . thats all i have to say
What the fuck do you mean some? No, proshipping is inherently grooming. Why the fuck are you romanticizing the idea of r@ping someone, of grooming a minor, a fucking your own family. Why do you even want to entertain those thoughts? "@TheSirZparity how do I know this? Simple, the Pavlovian effect. The basic gist of it is that a group if men were shown sexual images of women in boots, and eventually those men went from getting sexually stimulated from women in boots, to boots in general, to women shoes entirely, even going out and seeking them, as whenever they were s3xually stimulated shoes were always involved, so naturally they developed a shoe fetish. Hell, there's even a story on Tumblr, about how someone's friend got a bone in his pants whenever a woman tied her hair back, as his girlfriend would always do that before doing the dirty with him. Just replace those two examples with r@pe, family members, children, and corpses, animals, etc..."
"@TheSirZparity and moving on from that. If we as a society allow and normalize s3xual depictions of children in the media we consume, we're basically saying that it's ok for children to be s3xualized under certain circumstances, that it's ok to have fantasies about r@ping children just as long as you don't act on them, and what I and so many other normal people out there are trying to say is that; no. under no circumstance is it ok to have thought of s3xually traumatizing someone or a victim of that trauma. And if you do have them, seek therapy."
I don’t think pro shippers should be harassed if they properly tag their work and don’t even consider showing their stuff to minors. But even then, they are going to have to accept their community is a net negative and that they will be interacting with pedophiles and victims of grooming a lot. And no, I don’t think they act like they are around those people, because they always call these ships CUTE. I will do everything in my power to make this community as small as possible, it’s comparable to letting a bunch of suicidal people glamorizing suicide gave their own "fictional" self harm fandom. this has already happened a few times and someone always ends up hurting themselves
Proshipping is probably a response to certain kinds trauma trying to show unhealthy relationships ships in a more positive light so they can forget that it ever happened. Like what their abuser did was fine. Idk that’s just what I think, I’ve seen it happen to some people.
@@LiveInTheBasementWithMe more research needs to be done on it, I think it’s the brains way of trying to overwrite what happened subconsciously. This is however just a theory. I really think the field of psychology would benefit from being much more in touch with the cultures and beliefs of younger people, they would benefit a lot from that
@@LiveInTheBasementWithMe another problem I notice is that studying fetishes and such is never done. We are very behind on this stuff and if we just started studying more after WW2 we would be much further on in understanding these shippers.
@@TalpaTulpa Exactly, like yes they are bad, but we are hating on them too much and we aren’t trying to understand WHY they act like this. Psychology is so limited because people only started studying it decades after ww2 (as you said). Also it’s limited because people don’t want to research and instead hatefully make comments about their disability, but this is not an excuse to their actions.
What i dont understand about proshippers is how, some of them pretend proshipping isn't just p3dophilia and incest but also??? "Shipping any character without judgement, hate" etc ??? And their whole mindset about it is "oh ill ignore those type of people" You simply can't ignore ppl drawing cp and claim "oh its not my business" or "its their way of venting and coping with trauma they're valid" This is probably unrelated to the video I'VE TRIED PAYING ATTENTION TO EVERY WORD BUT FAILED... but i just wanted to mention this
thats not what proshipping means. proship is a stance about not caring what others do in fiction as long as it stays in fiction. darkshipping is what youre referring to regarding themes of incest, pedophilia, etc. cp is not the correct term, csem is and drawings do not fall under being csem. many therapists have approved of using darkshipping and drawing taboo content as a means of coping with trauma.
@@multi-milliondollarmike5127 child sexual exploitation material. proper term for whats usually called "cp" or "child porn". art does not fall under this category because no real child is being actively exploited in the content.
It's the issue of arguing with minors. They legit do not have the experience or have enough time to see the long term affects of their actions. And it takes only one person with malicious intent to lock them into the cycle of abuse. They can't see past their own noses with this one. It doesn't affect them, so it doesn't affect others. It doesn't harm them, so it doesn't harm others. It didn't make them a pdf, so it can't make others a pdf. It hasn't happened to them, so it can't happen to anyone. And their either grow out of it way to late, if at all, or they become victims themselves. Or worse, they were already victims, but can't find a healthy way to cope with it.
MG calling Antis terminally online while identifying as a Proshipper is fucking LAUGHABLE Proshipper is a terminally online term Normal people think pedophilia is gross and wrong 💀
Proshipping is the belief that you shouldn't harass anyone for shipping certain ships. I think we're thinking of darkshipping. However, a lot of people (including dark/proshippers) believe a different definition for proshipping. Personally, I believe we shouldn't harass anyone, BUT ALSO, if you ARE consuming that content, you cannot tell me that it is a healthy coping mechanism. Take care of yourself.
I can't understand or wrap my head around the fact that these people dont understand why no matter what context drawing CP beasteality, r8pe etc. In a POSITIVE light no matter what the context is still ALWAYS wrong. If you're making a traumatic story thats appropriately discussing these topic but still putting it in a NEGATIVE light then that's just one of the serious topics in the story being adressed. *NOT being sexualized, a real problem being represented and addressed and respectful to victims. The consumers of this content aren't supposed to be happy this is happening theyre seeing a realistic representation of it, you'realready supposed to know it's BAD* However, drawing art where pedophilia is being but is a positive light, being romanticized, and being drawn for only the purpose of being enjoyed and looked as something good is NEVER EVER ok. *Minors ARE being sexualized, disrespectful to the people who've gone through the trauma and horrors. Again it's made to be enjoyed. It's being romanticized and the consumer of the cobtent is supposed to be happy this is happening* I don't care if it's "just fiction" I dont care if you say "that doesn't mean I condone it in real life!!" The fact that you're drawing something immoral and problematic in real in a positive way in you're art and ENJOYING it, KNOWING how horrrible it is to SA someone, have relation with minors or animal isn't helping your case at all. In fact, it makes it worse. Why would you want to draw CP, huh? Like is it THAT hard to understand? And yes there are people who can want to seek out abusive relationships because of the normalization of thode things in certain media. The fact that there's so many MINORS who think like this makes it even worse and is very uncomfortable and creepy. Like imagine an adult influencing a minor that drawing CP is ok under "certain circumstances" and as long as you dont actually do those things irl. Still creepy.
as another proshipping victim with my ocs, good god they just like little girls and just finds excuses to say "im not a pedo", exactly what happened to me
@@SaintCharlos for sure they are, they used my characters for vore in the nsfw meaning and my ocs were CHILDREN, they aged them up for this shit and i was like umm what (in the time i was 9 and made my characters the same age i had but no they arent aged up)
@@cheliceralbaneYes they are a victim!? Minors are easily influenced by proship content because it makes them believe that curtain taboo subjects are okay such as pedophillia. I engaged in proship content when I was a minor and it made me believe a sexual relationship between a minor and an adult was okay. You know how harmful that is? You do realise if a minor believes this content is okay it makes them an easy target for grooming. Maybe have some sympathy for once instead of false claiming people you don’t even know personally.
@@CreeperPixelOfficial for real especially the "real cp doesnt influence predators" like um genuinely this girl needs help, and im not even trying to find an insult, if she thinks these thoughts are "right" then she genuinely needs therapy. she used to think these thoughts r wrong in her old commentaries but now she says these thoughts r okay like wth
I made video about her, and I only defended the fact she hasn't drawn any ProShipping art, as well as Graceful's unprofessional actions towards this situation. But I am quite disappointed that she supports this. I have good faith maybe she'll stop supporting this.
So um. Hi, shister. That deleted interaction sure was something ._. I’m really sorry about all that I think we both lost quite a few brain cells during that ordeal
@@shister06 had a bit of a, uh, panic attack 😭 but it got better after i realized they were just genuinely insane. im glad it’s over! there was no way i could possibly have deescalated that tysm for putting a stop to it
14:24 MG honestly disgusts me so much as a person , like how can you think that sexualizing MINORS is okay and even a part of maturing!!!??? That's just extremely disgusting.
As someone who was a victim, seeing that kind of content made me think it was okay and just a funny thing. Mushroomgirl in 2020 was already in hot water, not surprised they haven’t really changed
good greif they're still going on about this I'm literally a few months younger then her and I have adhd, autism and anxiety yet I don't use any of these things as an excuse for poor behaviour. like I'm actually just concerned and tired of this behaviour from him tbh.
@@smartistnerd366 yeah, someone in the SCP:CBM community drew a picture of 106 and a 5 year old in a relationship, when she was 16, as a request. Everyone, even I, trusted her, i feel it's sad that she did that, and tells everyone... When she first said it, I thought it was in rp, because she said she was held at gun point.
i feel like these people "mistake" media made to criticize and obviously paint these relationships or dynamics in a bad light and fetish work that is meant SPECIFICALLY for gratification.. but considering the fact they pronounce their words like a toddler i wouldn't give them much credit in understanding nuance. eventually fantasies won't be enough, drawings won't be enough, writing won't be enough, DOLLS won't be enough it encourages pedophilic behaviors that eventually WILL evolve into abuse and sexual abuse of a minor, animal, etc. using incidents like the Slenderman stabbings is stupid, because it only serves to prove us right that kids are easily influenced. that they follow what they deem is normal if exposed to enough violent, disgusting content kids can't disconnect reality and fiction, and even when acknowledging the difference, fiction will always influence us some way or another *because* it's usually based on reality. propaganda is such an obvious and indirect example of how media influences people based on emotion, exactly how proshipping appeals to those taboo feelings and fantasies normalizing and indulging that behavior. normalizing and indulging that stereotype and encouraging violence against that specific community. you need to try and be really stupid to not be able to pick apart the difference between enjoying dark media because it fascinates you while recognizing these behaviors are awful, and enjoying dark media to get your rocks off.
"Eventually fantasies won't be enough" Please give us a study that proves this. Professionals have stated multiple times that consuming fiction is okay that they even recommend this as part of therapy. The Slenderman Stabbings took place not because the kids couldn't distinguish fiction reality since children distinguish it already from age 3 to 5. The stabbings took place because those 12 year old kids were mentally ill. Fiction does truly you influence IF YOU LET IT. This is why you can see a lot of people trying new things and being the best version of themselves because some character inspired or influenced them and not go be a cruel person just because they read some villain's monologue. And children isn't excluded from these as well. Superman fans would obviously want to be like superman and save people and fly because that is normal and everyone think so as well. However fans of evil characters like The Joker doesn't go laughing and terrorizing people because everyone, including children knows it's cruel and wrong duh. If someone thinks genuinely believes in an evil villain and tries to be like them they might just be ill. Propaganda is not fiction lmao if anything it's a bunch of misinformation that is made to rouse some sort of reaction from the populace in a middle of struggle. Not comparable since one is actually real and a deliberate action from someone with an evil goal in mind and one isn't. People that were influenced by those propagandas however bear the fault of not properly researching the truth. What is with your hatred with people using fictional stuff to get there rocks off? I mean genuinely there is literally nothing wrong with people indulging themselves with pleasure as long as they don't hurt other people? So why is people pleasing themselves and consuming media in a way that doesn't bother anyone a point? All in all i rate your comment a 4/10. Pretty stupid and you type weird and you sound stupid and prolly look the part as well.
this is a heavy misunderstanding of the slenderman stabbing. please do some research on the case, this is downright disrespectful to the actual events.
@@ssnowstarr4985 bro the entire case was a kid obsessed with disturbing content, and using it as an excuse to commit a (failed) premeditated murder subconsciously there's still some truth to the fact that media influenced her actions not everything needs to be explicitly sexual to get a point across, if that's what you're moaning about, i'm using it as a negative example of how disturbing media influences people in real life please for the love of god shut up and think
@@ST4RB0M fiction can affect reality in both positive and negative ways. For example I used a fictional character as my inspiration to keep pushing forward in life and still do to this day (said character is Guts from Berserk) Proshippers seem to only acknowledge the argument that it affects reality in bad ways whenever fiction affects reality comes up and I really hate that they brush that aside as antis saying it can only ever affect reality in a bad way when that’s really not the case I’m making this ramble first thing in the morning so I apologize if this doesn’t make sense
@@ST4RB0M The thing is that everything would've been prevented only if they weren't mentally ill so that they can understand and make the distinction between reality and fiction. Fiction influences us but not on 1:1 basis. Their actions was undoubtedly their own fault and not the fiction nor creator of said fiction. I mean a man with nothing in his face, have tentacles, and wear a suit in a forest? Everyone with a sound brain knows that it's a nothingburger lmaooo.
She became smart. I used to hate proships aswell and now im on their side. Why? I finally dont feel like walking on eggshells and i became more creative and confident
I’m also a former proshipper (convinced by an elder sibling that it was okay a while back) the way those people spoke and talked about things like lolis in those spaces was anything but okay. They would sexualize the way they looked and it was anything but good. I don’t get how people think that this kind of behavior is okay.
@2-DLordOfForgot first of all. I asked if proshippers sexualize children, whether those traits make someone a child are completely out of the question when all I asked was "do Proshippers NOT sexualize children?". The fact you said that means that you are aware that those two design choices are used to make a character appear childlike or convey that a character is a child, and alongside that proshippers will sexualize those traits because they associate them with CHILDREN.
@@novettevezoe They don't sexualize children. I used the most common argument form antis and an example. You do not know what anyone associates shit with. You are not them nor are you a fucking psychic. You think short flat women are children.
I have several friends who were proshippers bc they were victims of it and it rubbed off on me :( btw guys uhhh that mentality SUCKS. It doesn’t help you, it makes you worse. It only exists bc of people with serious problems find that shit hot when it isn’t. It’s disgusting and I wish Mushroom Girl would look at the bigger picture.
@@nbfoxx there’s no *ONE* way people can heal? You cannot be serious man. I’m saying *PROSHIPPING* (or DARKshipping if you wanna get into semantics) is TOXIC and a terrible mind set to have. The only people proshipping is helping are disgusting perverts who GET OFF TO IT. Proshippers suck at displaying taboo media without romanticizing it to the extreme and it’s disgusting. There’s better ways to heal than being stuck in a gross feedback loop of disgusting content.
@@nbfoxx I think yt ate my other reply so I’m not gonna waste my time rewriting all of my points but tldr: proshipping is GROSS and BAD and you should stop. There’s better ways. And if you DID consult a professional YOU WOULD KNOW THAT.
@@nbfoxx I happen to also know from experience?? YOU can’t tell ME that pro/shipping is the ONLY way for you to cope right? Bc it’s not. It’s BAD. 9/10 people who like it aren’t even victims! It’s just gross people.
AHHH THANK YOU!!!! this is such a well done video without harassing mg or making fun of her speech impediment! :) i will be subbing as ur art is cute and ur voice is comforting!! ❤❤
I am still confused. Can someone walk me through what makes proship wrong? I’ve seen both sides of shipcourse but i still don’t get why its such an issue.
Proshippers tend to support relationships no matter what the scenario is for example relationships that romanticize incest, pedophilia, S/A, abuse, zoophilia, necrophilia etc. And people romanticizing those types of things try to show it as "good" when its not. Some Adults who are into that stuff can groom minors into thinking its ok. That's the problem
@@sprinkleisdumbfr i get that some proship adults can groom others using proship beliefs. If so, then the issue is grooming, not being proship. As a grooming victim, i know a predator can use anything to groom a person. Grooming isn’t about telling someone that its ok to have adults be with minors or something, its to get something out of someone by misusing their trust. I understand being uncomfortable with romanticisation but does that necessarily constitute harassment or censorship? I hear a lot of arguments that people who can’t separate fiction from reality shouldn’t interact with fiction because it can be dangerous and i think im leaning towards agreeing with that. It seems dangerous for someone to think that romanticisation equals endorsement.
It’s because people can develop a paraphilia because of it which is super common and super harmful. Plus if you aren’t a sick fuck you wouldn’t want to draw child abuse scenarios anyway? Being exposed to that kinda stuff really negatively affects people and it does take a toll on their brain. It’s not healthy. It hurts people.
@@cheliceralbane yea thats what I’ve gathered. I feel like the “issue” is actually an opinion. Unless someone can provide an actual problem with it instead of an opinion then i will consider stopping my fictional incest lol. Also is no one gonna point out how fictional depictions of pedophilia isn’t CSEM because no child is being exploited? The thumbnail is very misleading and insights harassment.
I will never understand why those types of people thinking, drawing children, and sexual abuse or whatever thinks it’s OK number one it doesn’t matter if the kid is fictional or not you shouldn’t draw sexual art of them. I don’t care if they were like 5000 years old or some shit like that it’s weird and number two if you do draw those types of stuff and you’re a fucking pedophile you like you draw those types of stuff. I don’t know why she thinks those are OK she needs to understand that her viewpoint is literally harmful and she also need to realize that she is influencing children I don’t know how old she is but if it turns out she’s like 18-19 years old in my opinion, that’s a bad sign as an example I have seen some horrifying shit on the social media and that literally like I think two years ago, I discovered a Twitter account who actually draws cheese pizza(if you know you know) Disney children like Lilo that image is still stuck to my head to this day and mushroom girl is telling me the drawing those types of stuff is OK? it doesn’t help that I was like 12 or 13 at that time by the way I’m still a minor💀 Sorry if you see any spelling mistakes and sorry if this came off as aggressive or something like that, I don’t know. I just am an upset when writing this comment I hope y’all can understand feel free to ask any questions.
proshippers always try to use the argument that fiction wont affect reality that much. which, obviously isnt true! but can we talk abt how reality ABSOLUTELY, NO DOUBT affects fiction? im sorry, the IDEA of lolicon and other gross shit obviously STARTED with someone thinking about it. thats common sense. if u draw child porn u had to think abt having sex with a child. you can try to argue that people who see/look up said art won’t be affected but if you use your brain youll realize HEY. DRAWING CHILD PORN MEANS THAT THE ARTIST THINKS ABOUT SEX WITH CHILDREN. AND THATS GROSS NO MATTER WHAT!
@@bubliisek what. tell me how do u draw cp without thinking of having sex with children. whether theyre real kids or not, you’re aware the child cannot consent and you have sexual thoughts strong enough abt children that u draw cp. wtf do u mean my research ? im using common sense u have to think abt smth to draw it duhhh are you okay in the head
the thumbnail made me cry, shit my pants, hyperventilate, break my leg, sprain my ankle, fall off that 20 feet high school staircase, and sit in the corner of my room questioning my life decisions
Just wanted to ask for clarification on something. Are you saying that looking at drawn cp can turn someone into a pdf in real life, or that they may develop a paraphilia for the content or both? Because it sounds like you may be arguing for both stances, even though most people can tell fiction from reality. If sexual content is processed differently in the brain, that still doesn't prove that people into drawn cp will hurt children in real life. That would have to be proven with evidence. This is why people bring up the fact that violent media doesn't magically turn people into violent criminals, because it's appealing to the same type of slippery slope.
@@kyuminnie137what is the matter with you?? All they did is said that their friend was like this and SA’d them, never did they mention all pro shippers were like that nor did they say anti’s weren’t like that.
8:37 I think the same thing as mushroom girl I don’t exactly like loli/shotacon but I will defend a pacific person only after one situation if they are being called a paedophile even though there’s no damn evidence or a whole fucking community a paedophile, even though there’s like no proof against it like for individual there’s no roof against that individual being a paedophile unless we got actually real discord messages. There’s a chance that a whole community like blue archive would be a paedophile since like they are so many so unless we get an actual victim and I just someone pretending to be a pacific individual is not a paedophile unless they draw sexual drawings what’s are based on actual children
I've always wondered how exactly to describe why pro shipping is bad and this video is exactly how to describe it, you genuinely did a great job with everything
Hey shister, ik u arent a commentary channel But can you please talk about the berxc/val exposed? long story short, she is a groomer but everyone defends her 😢
My take on the situation. I don’t disagree or agree with proshipping. Like genuinely I defend the freedom of artistic expression with my life. Animated or drawn child porn is not a subject I touch often because I myself am very traumatized by being used for real life child torture-rape; as a child around 6-10 Years old I made it a coping mechanism to draw gorey child rape-porn in my sketchbook. Reality SHOULD ALWAYS be more important than fiction (yes I did stop with drawing that but that’s because I found a healthy environment and found other coping skills) I understand what she’s talking about with murder and rape. They are both terrible crimes I believe that rape and murder can correlate with each other and they can also be worse than the other in some situations. They are both equally bad regardless. I believe lolicon is something that should be…kept under wraps some children enjoy looking at lolicon and some CSA adult victims enjoy it as well. But there’s no actual evidence that it is a bad coping mechanism or makes someone else a pedophile. So it can only be seen as disgusting and immoral. People with homocidal tendencies and traits or people with genuine urges to commit murder aren’t necessarily influenced by slasher movies though they can intertwine a homocidal person is already going to murder someone regardless if they see slasher movies. Same goes for pedophiles and I do believe it’s victim blaming to accuse the fiction of making a pedophile molest kids. It’s a pretty stupid claim as well like “my loli waifu made me rape that child!” Huh??. I hate lolicon with a passion I believe it’s disgusting to sexualize children even when you were sexualized as a child yourself. But it’s a difficult topic because there’s no evidence that it makes people molest kids And I do understand where MG comes from with kids shouldn’t see sexual content regardless of what kind. I believe that reality is sososo much more important than fiction; and I will always take real victims over fake ones no matter the disgust I have for lolicon and rape content. It isn’t my business what people look at as long as it isn’t actual children and actual rape. Though fetishizing fictional children regardless is disgusting not an argument just a claim. Now the proshipping topic. I believe proshippers are a thing that you have to state you are. Examples of proshipping Toxic or Abusive relationships. Pedophillic relationships Monster x human relationships Cuckheld relationships. Any taboo relationship in general I feel like if a majority of these didn’t exist or profiction (which can be Gore, rape, or any taboo fiction) than the fiction itself would be boring. Anything can be seen as profiction people just don’t like the word because they immediately think of adult on child relationships.
most people who can separate fiction and reality are adults...minors shouldn't be looking at content that will affect them, and shouldn't be shown it. the point is that its normal to be able to like, separate the two if ur an adult, so they DO have jobs
4:23 saying that loli are kids and if you consume lolicon to eventual amount you would kind of normalise paedophilia that’s just not true that’s not a definition loli/shota has nothing to do with age. It’s a small petite body type with cute aesthetics on the exclusive to anime Mongo or any character with the anime art style. Yes, Some lolis can be children but some others are not like some can be a reasonable adult age Rebecca from cyberpunk edge runners and also what I think is cringe the 1000 year old trope or they can just be like over 100 years old like for example kanna
I hate how proshipping romanticizes abuse by making it look so amazing when it's not. I personally find it better when people put abuse in a bad kight because it IS bad !!! I prefer spreading awareness about these situations rather then making it look like it's an awesome amazing thing. Proshippers piss me off sm !!! (Coming from a csa victim)
as ANOTHER csa victim literally proshippers dont put it that way, they don’t think abuse is a good thing. This topic shouldn’t be grouped with proship whatsoever anyway?? if anything it waters down what abuse actually is
11:56 oh my God, she is defending something that she doesn’t even know a fucking definition of tourist how can you properly defend something if you don’t know the damn definition like that’s like impossible?
3:24 no they cannot if you have a paraphilia it isnt because of fictional content, thats like saying that watching horror movies, looking at gore art ect will turn you into a murderer.
“Behaviorists suggest that paraphilias begin through a process of conditioning: Nonsexual objects can become sexually arousing if they are repeatedly associated with pleasurable sexual activity.” -psychologytoday Oh wow almost like proshipping can be a type of conditioning since conditioning is repetitive behavior that causes people to feel a certain way
@@shister06 that's still not how it works with paraphilias, a point you could have made was that proshippers can be desensitized to it, and start to believe it'd normal if they are constantly looking at that type of content. But no that kind of content can't make you a pedophile.
12:17 in my opinion okay? To kinda be like a pro shipper but you need to say guidelines at least for me set some things which year would support and not like for me I would mostly do it to most things along as it’s not promoting paedophilia or anything which is like generally bad or just not in my morals
As a proshipper, it is 100% possible to be a victim of proshipping. Whether you like it or not, it is possible to be gr00med into proshipping. Let’s not invalidate others experiences! that is NOT going to make them respect us!!
@ thank you for your comment! Out of curiosity are you a pro shipper who ships the stuff or you just don’t care what people do with that stuff? Thank you!
hi proship twt and tumblr, stop misgendering me bc i disagree w u….!! it is very clear that none of you have researched my channel or even watched this video before assuming things about my trauma , so please do so before you form an opinion , thank u!
edit: idk why the video disappears at 4:50 AUGHH ive rerendered this videos so many times please excuse the editing mistakes!! ):
BTW!!! in case this video reaches people, i prefer that ppl don’t only subscribe for videos like this, I usually just post animations (mostly vents)
but if u like my art then haiii welcome
im open to any criticism but ppl being rude or just harassment will be ignored yaaauur :3
i try to be verryy level headed for this type of stuff, as i find a lot of commentary channels have a weird complex.,.,…. soooo i hope this is kinda a fresher format/ attitude (:
What is your thoughts on anti-Mushoom girl (Mushoom!)
@@nbfoxxyeah. They are crying how they get harassed but people are just saying truth, you can't be groomed by media. They were groomed by a person, but if they werent and said that it made em paraphilic, then its not once again fault of the media but either Shister is fucked up in the brain or something happened to em when they were young because healthy brain wont allow you to break the line of fiction and reality. But of course, antis once again are gaslighting and playing the victim when someon corrects them And their minions are enabling their bad behaviour. Thats such an anti thing im not surprised, my god i'm tired.
@@JustoneMILK i don’t like them, they’re an antisemitist
@@shister06 k
@@shister06 hey like... dont spread lies??? they literally just said they're not jewish, that doesnt make her antisimetic, she literaly told everyone to NOT be
"accidental murder does not exist" manslaughter, negligant homicide, involuntary homicide. All count as accidental murder because someone did not have the intention of killing someone but it did happen. it does exist.
theyre under different terms - they have their own terms - thats why *murder is only classified as premeditated*
@@chaoticdotjpeg in addition, something being justified is entirely subjective. What I think is justifiable may not be the same as someone else.
My brain is slowly becomes disappointed every time I hear her say murder cannot be an accident accidental murder is not a thing when there's literal manslaughter💀
Has she heard of second or third degree MURDER! The use of the term "murder" for those charges destroy her entire argument...
@@ayatotaylor6169 she's the kind of person to be like "actually it's not pedophilia because pedophilia is exclusive to prepubescent children"
@@CYCL0PZZZZexactly, it’s not just black and white, even if p3dophilia is only attracted to prepubescent children, it’s still illegal for adults to s3xualise minors
@@Drxxonya that was my point
Ned Flander's wife would like to have a word with her about accidental murder
about Soph not talking mushroom out of it, Soph has clarified that they have tried to talk mushroom out of it multiple times, but it was unsuccessful!
yep!! it’s mushrooms responsibility to change, not sophs
@@shister06 I personally think pr0shipping is the same as sh, so MG is basically glorifying sh. Get her some therapy. Harrassing her would only make her kts or try to.
@@shister06 Also sometimes people need a professional licensed therapist to help Mushroom Girl.
@@SkylarThompson-mu1qs I mean MG literally does glorify and romanticize sh and has proudly admitted to doing so, so like 😭
@@CSDDev02 I think she needs therapy and might be similar to birdie.
I love how proshippers claim to have anti harassment stances and then go out of their way to bitch in your comment secion and make callout posts on their own platforms.
Actual hypocrites, I thought they were all for not going after people for making things you don't like?
This entire comments section is proof enough of it T-T
@@leafface5890 then maybe y'all shouldn't make your identity about not attacking people over fiction when the fiction you defend is actively harmful.
This is why everyone sees 'proshipper' as the net equivalent to a 'kick me' sign on your back.
@@wheatleylabs0107 these people won’t listen, they lack any sense of critical thinking and reading comprehension skills
@@wheatleylabs0107 It's not harmful. No one is getting hurt by it.
You can litteraly block the stuff if it hurting you that bad.
@@TheSirZparity In one of the communities im in a known member got a job working for the game in question, but was then fired and basically deplatformed for drawing NSFW of child characters soon after.
Are you saying we should have just let them have a large platform in a community FULL of minors and just... Hoped they didn't act on their fantasies? Would that really have been the safest move?
I love how mg herself was the one who spread a post trashing this video with the username fully visible onto her profile, very anti harassment of her.
I never knew how to bring this up but growing up i used to normalize this (proshipping) because i was treated sexualized as a kid(not meant as an excuse) and i confused it for love, its wrong and honestly now i just despise any proshipper art i did lots of research to just burn that idea of it and it worked, your video genuinely helped me in no words i can describe so thank you for having this video and opinion💕💕‼️
Comparing drawing and probably coping with self harm to dubiously legal (Depending on the country) sexual material meant to arouse the artist and viewer is crazy work
Fr it’s crazy
All depictions of fiction should exist, including the nasty and ugly. However, there is a clear difference to depicting it in story, vent art/writing, or straight up jerking to it. Proshippers are people that ENJOY ships with problematic themes.
Tuca and Birdie is an amazing series that shows the trauma of childhood SA from a victim's perspective. Birdie was a little girl who was SAed by a lifeguard at a summer camp, her SA was not shown but it was heavily implied in such a haunting and scary way. When her swimsuit, hanging on a wire, blows away. The forest turning into a dark tunnel as she goes deeper, following the lifeguard. You can portray dark themes and topics in an artistic way but there is a fine line you HAVE to watch out for.
this!!!!!!
you summed it up so much better than me. glad no one has tried "calling you out" so far, this is a fire take /gen
@@wist. my god you should've seen the replies I got, they're gone now but someone tried correcting me about my take
@@PhantasiaPhe damn. i wanna say i know who youre talking about... theres a couple of people here ive noticed who are just lurking and jumping at every opportunity to correct people. sorry bout that
@@wist. yeah, it’s infuriating that these people call themselves anti harassment yet they came here purely to harass it seems
I also want to make a video on mushroom girl’s proshipping video. I disagree with mushroom girl although I think people are going way to far hate spamming her. Hate doesn’t solve conflict. It makes conflict worse.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT
debating publicly and hating on MG wont solve ANYTHING !! i strongly disagree on MGs opinion but hating wont change any part of the debate
@@aziemazie EXACTLY!! People recording MG without her consent and hating on her actually only makes people who disagree with MG look bad! I disagree with MG but that doesn’t excuse harassment.
personally i think it people are going to post darkships and such it should be on a private account where no minors can see it. ive heard that therapists recommend exploring trauma and coping through fiction, and i think that does work, but for specific people. it isnt one size fits all, and it can be incredibly damaging for some while working well for others
minors as in very young kids*
@@slavcvlt minors as in...minors. but tbf, i dont think anybody who is easily influenced by content should be viewing darkship content. i just specify minors because of how it could be extra dangerous for them to engage in such content.
As an ex pro shipper you speak facts
Also I love how your voice sounds
Edit:Glad for the nice comments before 8 months ago I was such a perverse person and ruined many people’s lives (I stopped being Pro Ship 3 year ago but it still ruined me) but I changed these nice comments make me so happy hope that no matter what you did you will always be redeemed if you actually change,those fictional things can affect who you are I am example of that and detoxing yourself from it helps like if you don’t believe that fiction can affect reality you need to touch grass-Love Condor
Edit 2:Some of you in the replies need to get a life lol
Edit 3:A 100 replies over this comment tf
thank u!! ): im very insecure about my voice so i appreciate it a lot
@@shister06 awwww thanks :)
Glad that you could change for the better, and realize the harms in pro-shipping even if the characters are fictional! (Here's hoping Mushroom Girl can do the same)
@@Ben-xg3tj awwww thanks for the support
@@RabidCondor You're welcome!
8:06 My personal opinion on "r-pe vs murder" is that rape is psychologically traumatic. In the long run, it does much more harm than murder does. You don't have to do moral leaps of faith or really any jumps to understand how badly r-pe can affect a person and even others around them. Someone can be affected for decades after sexual assault, and can do so much damage on their mental state. (Although I don't want to sound like I'm downplaying murder, murder is still awful. Ending someone's life is never right.)
Yeah I totally agree. I think if we boil down the R@pe vs. Murder argument down to statical probability of the two, we're implying that in a world in which R@pe isn't as common it would be ok to s3xualize or make light of r@pe.
Alongside the way our brain processes r@pe, s3xual violence of any kind cannot be excusable or justifiable, physical violence can, there can be a situation in which physical violence can be funny.
@@shuichiswifey another thing, in the way of a technicality, one extra person has to deal with the resulting mental consequences of r@pe
With murder, the loved ones of the victims suffer but the victims themselves are dead and gone
With r@pe, the loved ones of the victims suffer not to the same degree as the victim but also the victim is still around to suffer
Okay this sounded very weird but hopefully it got my point across…?
Not trying to lessen the impact of murder… just something I found kinda interesting
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i kinda get this, but also, not everyone feels the same. some people specifically escaped being murdered because of being assaulted. some people have been threatened with both. i think that may be the case for you, and thats ok, but some people do not agree and may take offense to that, esp if they've had to go through those things. many people may even feel the opposite. i think its a highly personal thing
I dislike how identifying as a pro-shipper is seen as the same thing as being "anti-harassment." Both sides have terrible people in them that use the label to do terrible things. Just because someone identifies as a pro-shipper doesn't mean they won't harass someone or make callout posts, this video is a perfect example of that. "Its okay when WE do it" is NOT a good look.
@@rubyred6608760 omg I wish I saw this comment earlier because I completely agree.
Someone I don’t remember where in the comments section compared themselves to the queer community fighting back against homophobes and all I can say is as a bi woman I have not once gone out of my way to go to a homophobe’s video or profile to attack them. I just ignore them…
If they’re that anti harassment then why don’t they just ignore and block? That’s what a lot of antis I’ve met (emphasis on I’ve met) do for proshippers (hell, they have DNIs that say proshippers)
I’ll acknowledge that not all antis are like that however… something proshippers don’t seem to do. At least in my experience and definitely in this comment section
12:00 is SUCH A GOOD POINT!!! & all your other points really are very good. defo one of the better videos on the subject & in a weird way your commentary style is like kinda comforting.
WAAUHAW PPL OFTEN SAY MY VOICE IS COMFORTING / the way I talk abt stuff… it means a lawt thank u and im glad u enjoyed the video!! (:
@@shister06but if mushroom girl is not listening to her, and continues to support proshipping, why is soph still being friends with them?
@@Multi-Fandom.Mutant You don't unfriend a cs@ survivor or a mentally ill person for ctting themselves or being hyp3rsexual do you? Pr0shipping is sh. That's why and sometimes all friends can do is wait for the person to admit they need therapy since that is being a good friend. No, I'm not going to abandon friends who could kts or are s3lf h@rming, that's horrible.
THINKING THAT IRL CP DOESN'T IMPACT VICTIMS IS INSANE. LIKE THAT'S A DIARRHEA TAKE. Edit. I misheard what mashroom girl said, she said it doesn't influence predators but that's STILL an HORRENDOUS TAKE!!
!!!LENNAHC YM NO TSICAR SIHT DESOPXE I
@ButtersTweekLuka not only is it insane but it proved us right. MG's support of fictional CP, slowly normalized the idea of s3xualizing children in her mind, leading her to defending literal p3d0philia.
@@OnlyNexxusKnowsHow oh my god you're actually everywhere
But she was talking about loli stuff which isn't irl csem now is it ?
@@6eu2 at the end of the video in the call with graceful she says that she thinks irl CP doesn't impact real victims
I apologize if I thought MG's speech impediment was a fake cutesy voice at first. I do want her to improve as a person. Loli/Shota is anime p3d0philia. Let's not romanticize incest, grape, abuse, etc.
Thought crimes aren't real, and someone's thoughts and intentions won't *EVER* be as relevant as their attitudes; which is to say, anyone can want and think any disgusting thing, as violent as it gets, and, at the end of the day, it'll remain a disgusting desire or thought. Only that.
The more taboo paraphilias squick me out, too, but what really annoys me in antiship/anti-proship arguments is how y'all make thoughts and desire as if they're actions. *They're not.* Yeah, I know you guys are tired of hearing it, but since it hasn't been processed I'll say it again: it causes no harm. It is disgusting, it is weird, it makes us want to stay as far away as possible. But it's not causing harm on the physical world in itself.
Your points on neuroanatomy are new to me, I'll look into it. Quite creative and solid of you.
What I do agree, though, is that intense and prolonged exposure to YYY content, be that what it may, could influence a person's perception of what's acceptable and what should remain in fictional land.
thank you for giving us your opinion, i appreciate it and im so sorry you went through what you went through. You're strong and I loved your video!
after reading the pinned comment, i appreciate ur level headed approach to commentary! its very refreshing :)
also, ur sona looks rlly cool
thanku!!! im glad u enjoyed the video
Thank you for bringing up the thing about adults being affected by that type of content as well. People seem to think that the second you turn 18 your just completely immune to manipulation witch isn’t true
I think most functioning adults who don’t have a major mental disability can understand the difference between fiction and reality. But most of you kids aren’t live with a functioning family are you?
Funny how she talks about maturing as a person bc for me it was the opposite, I was exposed to that type of stuff when I was 12-14 and thought it was normal, bc of course a kid that age being attracted to kids and fictional characters the same age is normal, but growing up I started to realize a lot of it was adults drawing that stuff and I realized how not okay it was. And most I was exposed to it was through watching anime, or fanart, and I didn't fully have the understanding it was adults making those shows and a lot of the art.
Growing up, some of my friends, and other people I know, were exposed to this type of content as young teens, by adults who used fictional characters to groom them and abuse them. It wasn't called proshipping then bc it was like 2007 but it was very similar in spirit. And some of them have checked on what their abusers are up to now and some of them are in community with the proshippers now, using the same language and same talking points proshippers do. So why should I support a community that I know for a fact has people who have abused people I know, a community that only makes it easier for them to find more victims. I'm seeing the same exact communities, same situations, conversations and tactics, where it's easy to groom minors being replicated. So that's why I can't be on board with 'it causes no harm'. I don't think every single person has bad intentions behind it, but I think it makes it VERY appealing community for abusers looking to groom minors.
Of course I can't prove anything and some won't believe me because of that and that is fine. But I have heard many other similar stories from strangers over the years, who got groomed in these sort of places online. Just because you haven't heard about the harm doesn't mean the harm isn't there. But some people only believe it if it happened to them personally or someone they know personally.
SHISTERRRRRR! Good to see you again, I've been meaning to support your content again! I'm really happy you're making a response to this, I loved reading your guide about properly portraying & depicting the very sensitive subject of CSA in stories & media.
Yeah with Mushroom, it honestly feels like talking to a brick wall. But I am very happy for Soph trying to talk her out of this mindset, if unsuccessful.
Yall make me sick. "I dont approve of how this person act so im gomna try to force em change their mind" you antis sound like fashists rn
edit: i made an honest mistake posting this comment. to preface, i am *not* a pro-shipper; i don't agree nor do i align with all facets of the term. i do, however, think it is more nuance then just one vs other, and the two sides of the argument are balanced on the razor-thin blade that is censorship. it's possible i'm misconstruing the concepts as a whole, and it's possible that i'm plain wrong. but i believe that some content simply should not exist. that doesn't mean we'll ever be able to stop all production of such content, i'm aware of that, but anyone with a moral compass should know... not to make it; i believe that fiction can and does affect reality. you are free to create whatever you'd like, but you are not free from the consequence it might carry.
(original comment from here on)
i agree with the statement that all fiction should exist, but in a sense that i disagree with censorship.
i disagree with the idea that "if its fictional, it doesn't hurt anyone"; i think you can depict whatever you want as long as it is tasteful and not romanticized. mushroom girl doesn't understand the weight of pro-shipping and she doesn't realize the way that paraphilias develop. so, you're free to draw whatever you want; but you should be aware of the consequence, as with everything
sorry if this comes across as something i don't intend, i'm a little rambly at the moment... i don't agree with pro-shipping. period. hope that was clear
!!!LENNAHC YM NO TSICAR SIHT DESOPXE I
"The weight of proshipping" You mean the weight of being against harassing people over shipping shit? Because this is what Proship is.
What weight are you blabbering about? "Pro-shipping" means to ship or for shipping you are literally saying you don't agree with shipping in general.
Also i disagree on you on the "as long as it's tasteful and not romanticized"? Fiction is literally the human races' greatest tool in terms of tackling disturbing scenarios that could ever exist. If some people may want to see how far a body can be mutilated do they go to a morgue and risk getting traumatized by real bodies that used to live and exist OR they just watch a dark film that goes deep into the topic BUT without real people actually getting hurt and it's just actors that you would see on another film?
Also you don't agree with censorship yet you only want the "non-disturbing" things to exist? That's is some crazy thinking LMAOOOOO
@@yamete1358 These kids need to lay off their parents whiskey for sure bro
@@yamete1358 literally what did you mean by this? i really don't think you understand what i meant. i believe, for example, that it's inappropriate to display sexual violence in a positive or romanticized light. i don't see what's so crazy about that.
you can depict sexual violence and all other things without treating it as sexy or a joke
oh my god you literally took the words outta my mouth, I'm so glad I found a video explaining my EXACT thoughts
Her main problem is completely ignoring the adults and victims in her comment section, both deleting or downplaying their experiences. It is one thing to have an opinion (as..terrible of a take as it is), and another thing to make your opinion seem more like an immovable statement. She truly is just severely undereducated on the topic at hand and I hate that her types of videos immediately attract enablers and create a bigger echo chamber of enablement along with content farmers who thrive on bringing NOTHING to the discussion.
Even the people who're trying to..help her, are being far too soft. MG does not deserve harassment by any means, but backtracking to keep her ideologies 'unscatched' is not going to help her in any way. It just simply reenforces that 'back and forth', i.e. "I don't agree with proshipping..but MG never said fiction doesn't affect reality!'
EDIT: Of course, it's not saying Soph or anyone trying to help has any responsibility for MG's actions. It's just a matter of, if you are, don't backtrack to sympathize with MG's stance.
If fiction didn't affect reality, people wouldn't use it as a coping mechanism.
Longer Explanation:
Fiction can affect you subconsciously. An example is feeling paranoid or nervous after watching a horror movie. Basically, it can trigger basic emotion. A fictional TV show may depict fictional characters in relatable situations, therefore triggering the audience to feel emotions. It's simple as that.
That is not even lightly connected to this though. Liking the thing does not make you want to do the thing. I like horror movies. I do not want to be in a real life horror movie or being the killer. Fiction does not affect reality in the way they want it to
bro is really stupid
People making "proship" material is actually reality affecting fiction.
@@Supersayainpikmin No it is not. Its art. It does nothing unless YOU let it. Which would make you schizo
Yeah, but that isn't what the guys that say "fiction affects reality" are arguing, these tards think that enjoying something morally bad in fiction will turn you into a bad person IRL
I also find the topic interesting from an outsiders perspective. I don’t support proshipping though there are a few comments I want to make more so to just add to the discussion :V
You mentioned at about 3:20 that paraphilias can develop from consuming certain content. I searched a little (a bit quickly I’ll admit) and I couldn’t really find anything talking about it. It also mentions that it’s especially common for younger people do develop paraphilias rather than adults though adults developing paraphilias is still possible probably. I agree with your next statement though on how victims of sexual abuse being more likely to develop paraphilias.
At around 5:15, you mention how the human brain doesn’t process murder/violence and sexual topics the same while. Although that is true, this is more just me saying that I kinda wonder why that and why they aren’t I guess morally comparable. I’m not saying they are comparable, I just wonder why. I’ve heard somewhere that it’s because people are more often than not desensitised to gore rather than sexual topics but idk tbh. Just an interesting thought tbh
I’m def open to discussion on that because it’s a complicated topic like loads of topics and it should be handled with care. Def interesting to hear the viewpoint of someone who has been negatively affected by proshipping (and I def agree, saying “cutesy pedophilia” is weird af)
If you are comfortable, could be interesting to hear how it affected you specifically but don’t if you din’t want to talk about it ofc 👍
Overall good points and comments :3
Yippee
I just realised I wrote a massive comment ;-;
I can say for like murder and sexual stuff it differs because murder for many reasons can stem differently for the person, reasons as to why it was done, in cases where we see the victim murder their abuser it is done for that reason of being tired of the abuse, not saying murder is completely justifiable just that in cases of it can range from someone wanting vengeance and such while in the case of some like sa (everything that falls into it) there is no reason that this is done, besides thinking people are owed something, thing they need it from the other and won't take no, and other such things there is no way to actively say this could be done for self defense when it is violating a human being, defiling them, reducing them to a piece of meat that you take a bite out of and discard. It impacts the person that badly it causes triggers, and other such things. Sa in general is something vile and morally most would say it falls more worse as it cannot by any means be viewed as anything but a despicable act, a vile act does to a living breathing person. There is practically nothing one can do that makes it worth it besides causing trauma to said victim/survivor of it. That to me is how murder and sa (in a general sense) differ so much, speaking as a sa victim
You put your points together very well! I have non verbal learning disorder and its probably the only reason i don't do commentary. It's nice to see someone like me out there.
Mushroom girl is very much what happens when someone with zero clue how the human brain works starts talking like a shrink!
"Mom can we have creepshowart"
"We have creepshowart at home"
Creepshowart at home: mushroom girl
wtf are you talking about?
are you stupid?
Creepshowart also bitched about problematic art and loli, is one of your people
@@psychic-friend-toy-freddy The fact that her sona looks like creepshow art is hilarious. Mushroom girls sona even has the same hair style as creepshow art 😭😭😭
@@ambroseghost1351 yup
Hey, just wanted to drop this here, both of you are using the term "proshipping" incorrectly. Proshipping is an old fandom term that means that you essentially support people doing non-canon ships and aren't going to harass people over their ships. Its a live and let live mentaility essentially. What you both are talking about is called "darkshipping", which is intrinsically supporting illegal or taboo ships.
One is just deciding to not waste your time sending hate, and just blocking and moving on, and the other is active support of possibly harmful material.
im aware of the old term ): but tbh bad ppl hijacked that term a long time ago and now it’s turned into this
@@shister06 Unfortunately that has partially happened, but it wasn't the "darkshippers" who coopted the term. "Anti shippers" saw the policies of non-harassment and blocking and moving on and took them to be intrinsic support of harmful or problematic ships, and so conflated the term proshipping with darkshipping.
I just felt it pertinent to convey the true definitions, so that one is not slandering the wrong crowd over a misunderstanding.
4:00 To compare consuming slasher film to loli/shota content and to say 'Why is one not as bad as the other?' Idk, maybe it's because killers in slasher films aren't usually portrayed in a good light!? Loli/shota content try to normalise or justify its sick content.
Not really
In games like mortal kombat or fortnite (or just any pvp or (fp)s game), killing people is always celebrated, yet those actions aren't not condoned or justified in real life, because we are already taught that those things are wrong.
The enjoyment stems from the context-knowing it's fiction, knowing it's separate from reality, and we won't act like that just because we play violent games. The same goes for sexual content. No matter how disturbing it can be, it is not an indicator that an individual is at risk of engaging in such behavior.
!!!LENNAHC YM NO TSICAR SIHT DESOPXE I
@@clownpieces hell yea sel u da goat
This literally does not matter. You are consuming something you would say is bad in real life. Lolisho does not normalize shit
If it normalizes, then that should've happened in the 50 years that it has been around. The problem is that new anime fans think all lolis are Kanna, when there are thousands of characters that are lolis and don't have her same proportions (because loli is a body type, and is composed of a mix of different features).
Also, no one cared until anime went mainstream in the west full covid. People be doing this shit just for easy clicks.
Also, 90% of anime characters are "minors" but people don't care as long as they look "hot" enough
csa art/media was used by my groomer to well. groom me. it shouldnt exist
im so sorry ): i know how it feels, seeing people try and justify it is so horribly triggering
@@cheliceralbane that’s a crazy comparison
lgbt isn’t bad being a pedophile is
Groomers tried to use regular adult content on me...and webcams to send nudes.
Groomers will use ANYTHING.
What's with the victim blamers in the replies
@@electricshock4806 Money, candy and ice cream should banned should be banned since groomers used it on me.
most of mushroom girl's arguments fall flat if you use even a slight bit of critical thinking
@@2-DLordOfForgot found the pedo apologist
I understand that kids tend to go out of their way to find nsfw sometimes, but a lot of the time I’m pretty sure it’s by accident due to people not tagging their posts correctly or art thieves.
@@mysryuza yeah, I was once a kid who stumbled upon that shit on accident
@@torbieginger-sh2cc found the proshipper
Not rlly
Listening to MG’s voice this much bouta turn me ableist 😭 /nsrs
what
@@ssnowstarr4985 /nsrs. not serious.
@@torbieginger-sh2cc 🦟
@@torbieginger-sh2cc if you don’t legitimately find her voice (and her opinions) grating and exhausting to listen to you’re lying lol
MG should rlly make a response to this video, u deff took a better take than most people I've seen when pointing this issue out and I feel like if she watches ur video she'll deff learn a thing or two
@@Ghoulzgutzz I highly doubt it. Plenty of people have tried to educate her but she refuses to change or recover. She’ll see this as a personal attack and double down like she always does.
@@CSDDev02you people make me sick. Why are you trying to make her change when she was anti Once and she became proship because maybe she realised that you guys act like new age fashists with th rheotics u keep using. Stop it.
@@leafface5890 Well, that’s because she basically is, saying that even real life images of children in exploitative ways doesn’t actually affect victims or predators and all
@@leafface5890 14:28
Finally, someone talking about the issue WITHOUT censoring their own words just to please UA-cam!
i really hate how mushroom girl compared proshipping and sh to each other when they shouldnt be compared in that context and it pissed me off ngl
@@leafface5890 what does analogy have to do with this bro 💀
@@leafface5890 sh shouldn’t be compared: unlike proshipping which has nuance, sh is known to be EXTREMELY HARMFUL ALL OF THE TIME.
@@leafface5890 thing is self harm is really freaking bad and shouldn’t be compared to anything especially if it can be seen as glorifying. if you struggle with self harm, it being compared to a discourse online is just super gross
7:50 so does third degree murder not exist
Exactly. Does manslaughter not exist then?
mushroom girl's arguments are shutting my central nervous system down.
I don't mind if a story has dark topics as long as it's not seen as a good thing or isn't just for shock value. I'm sorry if anyone downplayed your trauma.
i know some proship/comships arent problematic but im so sorry u where a victim of that and hope u feel better for it, my main issues as i think mushroom girl is being gr**med into proshipping since some people mostly minors get into it by weirdos gr**ming them and thats my main problem with proshippers (not all of them are gr**mers dont take it at heart) SOME proships end up gr**ming minors into it and i believe thats the case from mushroom girl since its a minor . thats all i have to say
What the fuck do you mean some? No, proshipping is inherently grooming. Why the fuck are you romanticizing the idea of r@ping someone, of grooming a minor, a fucking your own family.
Why do you even want to entertain those thoughts?
"@TheSirZparity how do I know this? Simple, the Pavlovian effect.
The basic gist of it is that a group if men were shown sexual images of women in boots, and eventually those men went from getting sexually stimulated from women in boots, to boots in general, to women shoes entirely, even going out and seeking them, as whenever they were s3xually stimulated shoes were always involved, so naturally they developed a shoe fetish.
Hell, there's even a story on Tumblr, about how someone's friend got a bone in his pants whenever a woman tied her hair back, as his girlfriend would always do that before doing the dirty with him.
Just replace those two examples with r@pe, family members, children, and corpses, animals, etc..."
"@TheSirZparity and moving on from that.
If we as a society allow and normalize s3xual depictions of children in the media we consume, we're basically saying that it's ok for children to be s3xualized under certain circumstances, that it's ok to have fantasies about r@ping children just as long as you don't act on them, and what I and so many other normal people out there are trying to say is that; no.
under no circumstance is it ok to have thought of s3xually traumatizing someone or a victim of that trauma. And if you do have them, seek therapy."
9:41
You’re speaking fax like Oml
And also this timestamp made me laugh ;0;
I don’t think pro shippers should be harassed if they properly tag their work and don’t even consider showing their stuff to minors. But even then, they are going to have to accept their community is a net negative and that they will be interacting with pedophiles and victims of grooming a lot.
And no, I don’t think they act like they are around those people, because they always call these ships CUTE. I will do everything in my power to make this community as small as possible, it’s comparable to letting a bunch of suicidal people glamorizing suicide gave their own "fictional" self harm fandom. this has already happened a few times and someone always ends up hurting themselves
Proshipping is probably a response to certain kinds trauma trying to show unhealthy relationships ships in a more positive light so they can forget that it ever happened. Like what their abuser did was fine. Idk that’s just what I think, I’ve seen it happen to some people.
@@LiveInTheBasementWithMe more research needs to be done on it, I think it’s the brains way of trying to overwrite what happened subconsciously. This is however just a theory. I really think the field of psychology would benefit from being much more in touch with the cultures and beliefs of younger people, they would benefit a lot from that
@@LiveInTheBasementWithMe another problem I notice is that studying fetishes and such is never done. We are very behind on this stuff and if we just started studying more after WW2 we would be much further on in understanding these shippers.
@@TalpaTulpa Exactly, like yes they are bad, but we are hating on them too much and we aren’t trying to understand WHY they act like this. Psychology is so limited because people only started studying it decades after ww2 (as you said). Also it’s limited because people don’t want to research and instead hatefully make comments about their disability, but this is not an excuse to their actions.
@@LiveInTheBasementWithMe Fucking NO. It is not to make their abuser look better. That is FUCKED to even think.
What i dont understand about proshippers is how, some of them pretend proshipping isn't just p3dophilia and incest but also??? "Shipping any character without judgement, hate" etc ???
And their whole mindset about it is "oh ill ignore those type of people"
You simply can't ignore ppl drawing cp and claim "oh its not my business" or "its their way of venting and coping with trauma they're valid"
This is probably unrelated to the video I'VE TRIED PAYING ATTENTION TO EVERY WORD BUT FAILED... but i just wanted to mention this
thats not what proshipping means. proship is a stance about not caring what others do in fiction as long as it stays in fiction. darkshipping is what youre referring to regarding themes of incest, pedophilia, etc. cp is not the correct term, csem is and drawings do not fall under being csem. many therapists have approved of using darkshipping and drawing taboo content as a means of coping with trauma.
@@charlesxavierfordf150If you would humor me, what does csem mean?
@@multi-milliondollarmike5127 child sexual exploitation material. proper term for whats usually referred to as "child porn"
@@multi-milliondollarmike5127 child sexual exploitation material. proper term for whats usually called "cp" or "child porn". art does not fall under this category because no real child is being actively exploited in the content.
@@multi-milliondollarmike5127I think it's supposed to be CSAM. It's child sxual assault material
It's the issue of arguing with minors. They legit do not have the experience or have enough time to see the long term affects of their actions. And it takes only one person with malicious intent to lock them into the cycle of abuse.
They can't see past their own noses with this one. It doesn't affect them, so it doesn't affect others. It doesn't harm them, so it doesn't harm others. It didn't make them a pdf, so it can't make others a pdf. It hasn't happened to them, so it can't happen to anyone.
And their either grow out of it way to late, if at all, or they become victims themselves. Or worse, they were already victims, but can't find a healthy way to cope with it.
MG calling Antis terminally online while identifying as a Proshipper is fucking LAUGHABLE
Proshipper is a terminally online term
Normal people think pedophilia is gross and wrong 💀
proship its not pedophilia, cope
Proshipping is the belief that you shouldn't harass anyone for shipping certain ships. I think we're thinking of darkshipping. However, a lot of people (including dark/proshippers) believe a different definition for proshipping. Personally, I believe we shouldn't harass anyone, BUT ALSO, if you ARE consuming that content, you cannot tell me that it is a healthy coping mechanism. Take care of yourself.
14:38 My jaw fucking dropped like WHAT?????
I can't understand or wrap my head around the fact that these people dont understand why no matter what context drawing CP beasteality, r8pe etc. In a POSITIVE light no matter what the context is still ALWAYS wrong.
If you're making a traumatic story thats appropriately discussing these topic but still putting it in a NEGATIVE light then that's just one of the serious topics in the story being adressed.
*NOT being sexualized, a real problem being represented and addressed and respectful to victims. The consumers of this content aren't supposed to be happy this is happening theyre seeing a realistic representation of it, you'realready supposed to know it's BAD*
However, drawing art where pedophilia is being but is a positive light, being romanticized, and being drawn for only the purpose of being enjoyed and looked as something good is NEVER EVER ok.
*Minors ARE being sexualized, disrespectful to the people who've gone through the trauma and horrors. Again it's made to be enjoyed. It's being romanticized and the consumer of the cobtent is supposed to be happy this is happening*
I don't care if it's "just fiction"
I dont care if you say "that doesn't mean I condone it in real life!!"
The fact that you're drawing something immoral and problematic in real in a positive way in you're art and ENJOYING it, KNOWING how horrrible it is to SA someone, have relation with minors or animal isn't helping your case at all. In fact, it makes it worse. Why would you want to draw CP, huh?
Like is it THAT hard to understand?
And yes there are people who can want to seek out abusive relationships because of the normalization of thode things in certain media.
The fact that there's so many MINORS who think like this makes it even worse and is very uncomfortable and creepy. Like imagine an adult influencing a minor that drawing CP is ok under "certain circumstances" and as long as you dont actually do those things irl.
Still creepy.
as another proshipping victim with my ocs, good god they just like little girls and just finds excuses to say "im not a pedo", exactly what happened to me
Whoever did proship art of your OCs without a consent is not a proshipper, they are a creep.
@@cheliceralbane umm sir you dont know what happened to me, i was groomed and my characters were used for proshipping too☠☠
@@SaintCharlos for sure they are, they used my characters for vore in the nsfw meaning and my ocs were CHILDREN, they aged them up for this shit and i was like umm what (in the time i was 9 and made my characters the same age i had but no they arent aged up)
@@cheliceralbaneYes they are a victim!? Minors are easily influenced by proship content because it makes them believe that curtain taboo subjects are okay such as pedophillia. I engaged in proship content when I was a minor and it made me believe a sexual relationship between a minor and an adult was okay. You know how harmful that is? You do realise if a minor believes this content is okay it makes them an easy target for grooming. Maybe have some sympathy for once instead of false claiming people you don’t even know personally.
@@hopeyxii then you're a victim of grooming, not "proshipping."
13:23 💀❔️❓️
14:17 14:28 this is so emberrasing
@@CreeperPixelOfficial for real especially the "real cp doesnt influence predators" like um genuinely this girl needs help, and im not even trying to find an insult, if she thinks these thoughts are "right" then she genuinely needs therapy. she used to think these thoughts r wrong in her old commentaries but now she says these thoughts r okay like wth
I made video about her, and I only defended the fact she hasn't drawn any ProShipping art, as well as Graceful's unprofessional actions towards this situation. But I am quite disappointed that she supports this. I have good faith maybe she'll stop supporting this.
Did mg get dropped on the head as a baby or what
So um. Hi, shister. That deleted interaction sure was something ._. I’m really sorry about all that I think we both lost quite a few brain cells during that ordeal
YUP!! hope you’re doing okay mentally!! ): ppl r gross
@@shister06 had a bit of a, uh, panic attack 😭 but it got better after i realized they were just genuinely insane. im glad it’s over! there was no way i could possibly have deescalated that tysm for putting a stop to it
YA,, ITS OK
14:24 MG honestly disgusts me so much as a person , like how can you think that sexualizing MINORS is okay and even a part of maturing!!!??? That's just extremely disgusting.
As someone who was a victim, seeing that kind of content made me think it was okay and just a funny thing. Mushroomgirl in 2020 was already in hot water, not surprised they haven’t really changed
good greif they're still going on about this I'm literally a few months younger then her and I have adhd, autism and anxiety yet I don't use any of these things as an excuse for poor behaviour. like I'm actually just concerned and tired of this behaviour from him tbh.
bro i didn't even know mushroom girl was doing this shit, i use to watch and was subbed to her oh shit
The police caught me from committing tax evasion 😢
Did she draw scp-106 with a 5 year old?
(Someone in the SCP community did.)
whAT
@@smartistnerd366 yeah, someone in the SCP:CBM community drew a picture of 106 and a 5 year old in a relationship, when she was 16, as a request. Everyone, even I, trusted her, i feel it's sad that she did that, and tells everyone... When she first said it, I thought it was in rp, because she said she was held at gun point.
HUH???
Why did i misshear "grooming" as "gooning" 😭🙏💀
grooming is just as the same as gooning
Good video! Love Ur explaining Also I love Ur art :3
i feel like these people "mistake" media made to criticize and obviously paint these relationships or dynamics in a bad light and fetish work that is meant SPECIFICALLY for gratification.. but considering the fact they pronounce their words like a toddler i wouldn't give them much credit in understanding nuance.
eventually fantasies won't be enough, drawings won't be enough, writing won't be enough, DOLLS won't be enough
it encourages pedophilic behaviors that eventually WILL evolve into abuse and sexual abuse of a minor, animal, etc.
using incidents like the Slenderman stabbings is stupid, because it only serves to prove us right that kids are easily influenced. that they follow what they deem is normal if exposed to enough violent, disgusting content
kids can't disconnect reality and fiction, and even when acknowledging the difference, fiction will always influence us some way or another *because* it's usually based on reality.
propaganda is such an obvious and indirect example of how media influences people based on emotion, exactly how proshipping appeals to those taboo feelings and fantasies
normalizing and indulging that behavior.
normalizing and indulging that stereotype and encouraging violence against that specific community.
you need to try and be really stupid to not be able to pick apart the difference between enjoying dark media because it fascinates you while recognizing these behaviors are awful, and enjoying dark media to get your rocks off.
"Eventually fantasies won't be enough" Please give us a study that proves this. Professionals have stated multiple times that consuming fiction is okay that they even recommend this as part of therapy.
The Slenderman Stabbings took place not because the kids couldn't distinguish fiction reality since children distinguish it already from age 3 to 5. The stabbings took place because those 12 year old kids were mentally ill.
Fiction does truly you influence IF YOU LET IT. This is why you can see a lot of people trying new things and being the best version of themselves because some character inspired or influenced them and not go be a cruel person just because they read some villain's monologue.
And children isn't excluded from these as well. Superman fans would obviously want to be like superman and save people and fly because that is normal and everyone think so as well. However fans of evil characters like The Joker doesn't go laughing and terrorizing people because everyone, including children knows it's cruel and wrong duh. If someone thinks genuinely believes in an evil villain and tries to be like them they might just be ill.
Propaganda is not fiction lmao if anything it's a bunch of misinformation that is made to rouse some sort of reaction from the populace in a middle of struggle. Not comparable since one is actually real and a deliberate action from someone with an evil goal in mind and one isn't.
People that were influenced by those propagandas however bear the fault of not properly researching the truth.
What is with your hatred with people using fictional stuff to get there rocks off? I mean genuinely there is literally nothing wrong with people indulging themselves with pleasure as long as they don't hurt other people? So why is people pleasing themselves and consuming media in a way that doesn't bother anyone a point?
All in all i rate your comment a 4/10. Pretty stupid and you type weird and you sound stupid and prolly look the part as well.
this is a heavy misunderstanding of the slenderman stabbing. please do some research on the case, this is downright disrespectful to the actual events.
@@ssnowstarr4985 bro the entire case was a kid obsessed with disturbing content, and using it as an excuse to commit a (failed) premeditated murder
subconsciously there's still some truth to the fact that media influenced her actions
not everything needs to be explicitly sexual to get a point across, if that's what you're moaning about, i'm using it as a negative example of how disturbing media influences people in real life
please for the love of god shut up and think
@@ST4RB0M fiction can affect reality in both positive and negative ways. For example I used a fictional character as my inspiration to keep pushing forward in life and still do to this day (said character is Guts from Berserk)
Proshippers seem to only acknowledge the argument that it affects reality in bad ways whenever fiction affects reality comes up and I really hate that they brush that aside as antis saying it can only ever affect reality in a bad way when that’s really not the case
I’m making this ramble first thing in the morning so I apologize if this doesn’t make sense
@@ST4RB0M The thing is that everything would've been prevented only if they weren't mentally ill so that they can understand and make the distinction between reality and fiction. Fiction influences us but not on 1:1 basis. Their actions was undoubtedly their own fault and not the fiction nor creator of said fiction. I mean a man with nothing in his face, have tentacles, and wear a suit in a forest? Everyone with a sound brain knows that it's a nothingburger lmaooo.
Thanks for saying this despite people disagreeing with it
Mushroom girl used to hate proshiping why did she change?
Oof her changing to that while she's going to be an adult next year is extremely concerning
She became smart. I used to hate proships aswell and now im on their side. Why? I finally dont feel like walking on eggshells and i became more creative and confident
she became normal
She's not an idiot anymore it seems
she got harassed by your kin, that's enough to even make antis switch sides
I’m also a former proshipper (convinced by an elder sibling that it was okay a while back) the way those people spoke and talked about things like lolis in those spaces was anything but okay. They would sexualize the way they looked and it was anything but good. I don’t get how people think that this kind of behavior is okay.
That is not what proship is about you dunce.
Do proshippers NOT sexualize the way children look?
@@novettevezoe Being short or flat chested does not make a child
@2-DLordOfForgot first of all. I asked if proshippers sexualize children, whether those traits make someone a child are completely out of the question when all I asked was "do Proshippers NOT sexualize children?". The fact you said that means that you are aware that those two design choices are used to make a character appear childlike or convey that a character is a child, and alongside that proshippers will sexualize those traits because they associate them with CHILDREN.
@@novettevezoe They don't sexualize children.
I used the most common argument form antis and an example.
You do not know what anyone associates shit with. You are not them nor are you a fucking psychic.
You think short flat women are children.
I have several friends who were proshippers bc they were victims of it and it rubbed off on me :( btw guys uhhh that mentality SUCKS. It doesn’t help you, it makes you worse. It only exists bc of people with serious problems find that shit hot when it isn’t. It’s disgusting and I wish Mushroom Girl would look at the bigger picture.
@@nbfoxx there’s no *ONE* way people can heal? You cannot be serious man. I’m saying *PROSHIPPING* (or DARKshipping if you wanna get into semantics) is TOXIC and a terrible mind set to have. The only people proshipping is helping are disgusting perverts who GET OFF TO IT. Proshippers suck at displaying taboo media without romanticizing it to the extreme and it’s disgusting. There’s better ways to heal than being stuck in a gross feedback loop of disgusting content.
@@nbfoxx I think yt ate my other reply so I’m not gonna waste my time rewriting all of my points but tldr: proshipping is GROSS and BAD and you should stop. There’s better ways. And if you DID consult a professional YOU WOULD KNOW THAT.
@@nbfoxx I happen to also know from experience?? YOU can’t tell ME that pro/shipping is the ONLY way for you to cope right? Bc it’s not. It’s BAD. 9/10 people who like it aren’t even victims! It’s just gross people.
@@nbfoxx just admit you like inc/st and other shit bruh 😭
@@nbfoxx btw since you wanna be SOOO sure I DOUBLE CHECKED and literally all of the sources disagree with you! Wow! Not surprised in the slightest!!!
AHHH THANK YOU!!!! this is such a well done video without harassing mg or making fun of her speech impediment! :) i will be subbing as ur art is cute and ur voice is comforting!! ❤❤
Why are people on Tumblr booing you? You're right.
You covered this so well omfg
No
@@2-DLordOfForgot yes
@@SirSobberN No. Because you cant be a victim of anti Harassment. And you cant say shit if you think Proship is just lolisho
@angelohayabusa5048 I don't think that guy said anything about it being just lolisho why did you put words until their mouth
@@Guard_shroom Lolisho is all ANYONE is talking about. Dont lie when it is obvious
I am still confused. Can someone walk me through what makes proship wrong? I’ve seen both sides of shipcourse but i still don’t get why its such an issue.
Proshippers tend to support relationships no matter what the scenario is for example relationships that romanticize incest, pedophilia, S/A, abuse, zoophilia, necrophilia etc. And people romanticizing those types of things try to show it as "good" when its not. Some Adults who are into that stuff can groom minors into thinking its ok. That's the problem
@@sprinkleisdumbfr i get that some proship adults can groom others using proship beliefs. If so, then the issue is grooming, not being proship. As a grooming victim, i know a predator can use anything to groom a person. Grooming isn’t about telling someone that its ok to have adults be with minors or something, its to get something out of someone by misusing their trust. I understand being uncomfortable with romanticisation but does that necessarily constitute harassment or censorship? I hear a lot of arguments that people who can’t separate fiction from reality shouldn’t interact with fiction because it can be dangerous and i think im leaning towards agreeing with that. It seems dangerous for someone to think that romanticisation equals endorsement.
It’s because people can develop a paraphilia because of it which is super common and super harmful. Plus if you aren’t a sick fuck you wouldn’t want to draw child abuse scenarios anyway? Being exposed to that kinda stuff really negatively affects people and it does take a toll on their brain. It’s not healthy. It hurts people.
@@cheliceralbane yea thats what I’ve gathered. I feel like the “issue” is actually an opinion. Unless someone can provide an actual problem with it instead of an opinion then i will consider stopping my fictional incest lol. Also is no one gonna point out how fictional depictions of pedophilia isn’t CSEM because no child is being exploited? The thumbnail is very misleading and insights harassment.
@@cheliceralbane honestly the only thing i took away from this video is how hypocritical these “normal people” actually are lmao
I believe all types of fiction should exist
But keep that profiction in your sketchbook, newgrounds, or your 18+ discord server
I will never understand why those types of people thinking, drawing children, and sexual abuse or whatever thinks it’s OK number one it doesn’t matter if the kid is fictional or not you shouldn’t draw sexual art of them. I don’t care if they were like 5000 years old or some shit like that it’s weird and number two if you do draw those types of stuff and you’re a fucking pedophile you like you draw those types of stuff. I don’t know why she thinks those are OK she needs to understand that her viewpoint is literally harmful and she also need to realize that she is influencing children I don’t know how old she is but if it turns out she’s like 18-19 years old in my opinion, that’s a bad sign as an example I have seen some horrifying shit on the social media and that literally like I think two years ago, I discovered a Twitter account who actually draws cheese pizza(if you know you know) Disney children like Lilo that image is still stuck to my head to this day and mushroom girl is telling me the drawing those types of stuff is OK? it doesn’t help that I was like 12 or 13 at that time by the way I’m still a minor💀
Sorry if you see any spelling mistakes and sorry if this came off as aggressive or something like that, I don’t know. I just am an upset when writing this comment I hope y’all can understand feel free to ask any questions.
She might be like 15-16 (almost an adult maybe?)
@@fizzynyan oh no but also sorry you had to read all that😭
@@bedosworld4327 nah I'm okay with long text ^_^
proshippers always try to use the argument that fiction wont affect reality that much. which, obviously isnt true! but can we talk abt how reality ABSOLUTELY, NO DOUBT affects fiction? im sorry, the IDEA of lolicon and other gross shit obviously STARTED with someone thinking about it. thats common sense. if u draw child porn u had to think abt having sex with a child. you can try to argue that people who see/look up said art won’t be affected but if you use your brain youll realize HEY. DRAWING CHILD PORN MEANS THAT THE ARTIST THINKS ABOUT SEX WITH CHILDREN. AND THATS GROSS NO MATTER WHAT!
Drawing CP means the child in the drawing exists, does Tatsumaki exist?
@@reviseyourwhat someome didnt do their research.
@@Enmaphy what ? who said that means the child exists ?
@@bubliisek what. tell me how do u draw cp without thinking of having sex with children. whether theyre real kids or not, you’re aware the child cannot consent and you have sexual thoughts strong enough abt children that u draw cp. wtf do u mean my research ? im using common sense u have to think abt smth to draw it duhhh are you okay in the head
@@cheliceralbane explain because rn i dont see wtf heavy metal has to do with literal child porn
A bunch of proshippers on proship twt are upset with the title of the vidoe but I get it??? It makes sense idk😭☠
tbf its misinfo/clickbaity...
@@Starvicegbro remember shadman
@@Starviceg but he did draw cp.
@@Starviceg yes the fuck you can..?
@@Starviceg then what do you call fictional 'cp' fictional or Fucking not it's still a child as porn, freakshow
This is why I the dispute of proshipping exhausts me
the thumbnail made me cry, shit my pants, hyperventilate, break my leg, sprain my ankle, fall off that 20 feet high school staircase, and sit in the corner of my room questioning my life decisions
Just wanted to ask for clarification on something. Are you saying that looking at drawn cp can turn someone into a pdf in real life, or that they may develop a paraphilia for the content or both? Because it sounds like you may be arguing for both stances, even though most people can tell fiction from reality. If sexual content is processed differently in the brain, that still doesn't prove that people into drawn cp will hurt children in real life. That would have to be proven with evidence. This is why people bring up the fact that violent media doesn't magically turn people into violent criminals, because it's appealing to the same type of slippery slope.
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The thumbnail is crazy
As a kid I’m kinda scared I had a friend like this and they SA’d me so there’s how that went
Yeah? Anti many antis are actual convicted pedo. What say you to that? Or is it only condemning when it comes from one side and not the other?
@@kyuminnie137don’t comment this on a victims comment what the hell???
@@chipkid what? Calling them out for confounding one thing with another?
@@kyuminnie137what is the matter with you?? All they did is said that their friend was like this and SA’d them, never did they mention all pro shippers were like that nor did they say anti’s weren’t like that.
8:37 I think the same thing as mushroom girl I don’t exactly like loli/shotacon but I will defend a pacific person only after one situation if they are being called a paedophile even though there’s no damn evidence or a whole fucking community a paedophile, even though there’s like no proof against it like for individual there’s no roof against that individual being a paedophile unless we got actually real discord messages. There’s a chance that a whole community like blue archive would be a paedophile since like they are so many so unless we get an actual victim and I just someone pretending to be a pacific individual is not a paedophile unless they draw sexual drawings what’s are based on actual children
6:30 Me when the uncontacted tribe tells me that murder is ok and a regular thing to do (It's legal there so that means I can do it wherever I want)
I've always wondered how exactly to describe why pro shipping is bad and this video is exactly how to describe it, you genuinely did a great job with everything
Hey shister, ik u arent a commentary channel But can you please talk about the berxc/val exposed? long story short, she is a groomer but everyone defends her 😢
holy shit i just realized i used to be mutuals with them on tiktok like 3 years ago. eek.
My take on the situation.
I don’t disagree or agree with proshipping.
Like genuinely
I defend the freedom of artistic expression with my life. Animated or drawn child porn is not a subject I touch often because I myself am very traumatized by being used for real life child torture-rape; as a child around 6-10
Years old I made it a coping mechanism to draw gorey child rape-porn in my sketchbook.
Reality SHOULD ALWAYS be more important than fiction (yes I did stop with drawing that but that’s because I found a healthy environment and found other coping skills)
I understand what she’s talking about with murder and rape. They are both terrible crimes I believe that rape and murder can correlate with each other and they can also be worse than the other in some situations. They are both equally bad regardless.
I believe lolicon is something that should be…kept under wraps some children enjoy looking at lolicon and some CSA adult victims enjoy it as well. But there’s no actual evidence that it is a bad coping mechanism or makes someone else a pedophile. So it can only be seen as disgusting and immoral.
People with homocidal tendencies and traits or people with genuine urges to commit murder aren’t necessarily influenced by slasher movies though they can intertwine a homocidal person is already going to murder someone regardless if they see slasher movies.
Same goes for pedophiles and I do believe it’s victim blaming to accuse the fiction of making a pedophile molest kids. It’s a pretty stupid claim as well like “my loli waifu made me rape that child!” Huh??.
I hate lolicon with a passion I believe it’s disgusting to sexualize children even when you were sexualized as a child yourself. But it’s a difficult topic because there’s no evidence that it makes people molest kids
And I do understand where MG comes from with kids shouldn’t see sexual content regardless of what kind.
I believe that reality is sososo much more important than fiction; and I will always take real victims over fake ones no matter the disgust I have for lolicon and rape content. It isn’t my business what people look at as long as it isn’t actual children and actual rape.
Though fetishizing fictional children regardless is disgusting not an argument just a claim.
Now the proshipping topic.
I believe proshippers are a thing that you have to state you are.
Examples of proshipping
Toxic or Abusive relationships.
Pedophillic relationships
Monster x human relationships
Cuckheld relationships.
Any taboo relationship in general
I feel like if a majority of these didn’t exist or profiction (which can be Gore, rape, or any taboo fiction) than the fiction itself would be boring. Anything can be seen as profiction people just don’t like the word because they immediately think of adult on child relationships.
I believe all types of fiction should exist but more taboo ones should be kept under wraps
Like stay in newgrounds please!!!
I believe all types of fiction should exist
But please keep that profiction shit in newgrounds
I believe all types of fiction should exist
But keep that proshit in newgrounds or a private 18+ discord server
WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE THIS STUFF 😭😭😭😭 like ew get a job 😭
most people who can separate fiction and reality are adults...minors shouldn't be looking at content that will affect them, and shouldn't be shown it. the point is that its normal to be able to like, separate the two if ur an adult, so they DO have jobs
@@ssnowstarr4985 yah but it’s still gross...
@@CatNipOc ok 😭😭
4:23 saying that loli are kids and if you consume lolicon to eventual amount you would kind of normalise paedophilia that’s just not true that’s not a definition loli/shota has nothing to do with age. It’s a small petite body type with cute aesthetics on the exclusive to anime Mongo or any character with the anime art style. Yes, Some lolis can be children but some others are not like some can be a reasonable adult age Rebecca from cyberpunk edge runners and also what I think is cringe the 1000 year old trope or they can just be like over 100 years old like for example kanna
"victim of proshipping" ☠️
I hate how proshipping romanticizes abuse by making it look so amazing when it's not. I personally find it better when people put abuse in a bad kight because it IS bad !!! I prefer spreading awareness about these situations rather then making it look like it's an awesome amazing thing. Proshippers piss me off sm !!! (Coming from a csa victim)
as ANOTHER csa victim literally proshippers dont put it that way, they don’t think abuse is a good thing. This topic shouldn’t be grouped with proship whatsoever anyway?? if anything it waters down what abuse actually is
@@fake_account_yeah That's what I was trying to say. I have trouble explaining things sometimes lol
@@cheliceralbane Who are you talking to... 😭
@@SQUIDICUBEOFFICIAL okay
@@cheliceralbane EXACTLY
Lollll who else is here from that Tumblr post? Just finished watching this video and yup! Everything checks out..
wut tumblr post ?
Also I apologize if that comment came off as rude 😭😭 I'm in a bad mood sozzz 😔
@@kangelsnumberonefan what tumblr post are u referring to
UA-cam keeps hiding my comments (at least on my screen 😭) the Tumblr user is video0game0queen. It was posted 20 hours ago as of right now
mane there’s a reason why proshippers hide on dead niche parts of the internet
03:55
Uhhhh Loli/Shota/kodocon is targeted specifically for PDF files tho- HENCE WHY IT’S ILLEGAL TO MAKE OR CONSUME IT
it’s not illegal unless it directly depicts a real child
@@someoneshootmern depends on where you live
It’s a felony in Sweden (Thank god)
@@Yoyo_The_yoyo like, the child may not be real but they’re still jerking it to the image of a child which is still disgusting
@@Yoyo_The_yoyoim moving to Sweden now lol
@@mangleofficial8040 you're welcome with open arms lmao
"Victim of proshipping" Oh my god you are a lost cause
That’s because they literally are??? Go educate yourself on stuff like this
11:56 oh my God, she is defending something that she doesn’t even know a fucking definition of tourist how can you properly defend something if you don’t know the damn definition like that’s like impossible?
3:24 no they cannot if you have a paraphilia it isnt because of fictional content, thats like saying that watching horror movies, looking at gore art ect will turn you into a murderer.
murder and sexual things are completely different and cannot be compared (:
Different things, comparing apples to oranges.
“Behaviorists suggest that paraphilias begin through a process of conditioning: Nonsexual objects can become sexually arousing if they are repeatedly associated with pleasurable sexual activity.” -psychologytoday
Oh wow almost like proshipping can be a type of conditioning since conditioning is repetitive behavior that causes people to feel a certain way
@@shister06 that's still not how it works with paraphilias, a point you could have made was that proshippers can be desensitized to it, and start to believe it'd normal if they are constantly looking at that type of content. But no that kind of content can't make you a pedophile.
But holly hell how DARE someone disagree with me on fiction /sarc
The tumblr proshippers found you 💀
!!!LENNAHC YM NO TSICAR SIHT DESOPXE I
YEAH. I never realised that tumblr had a proship problem until a few days ago…….
@@shister06"proship problem" aka people who see y'all satanic panic + anti science views for what it is
HI SHISTER
it’s weird tho everyone is jumping on this topic. but i think you make good points
12:17 in my opinion okay? To kinda be like a pro shipper but you need to say guidelines at least for me set some things which year would support and not like for me I would mostly do it to most things along as it’s not promoting paedophilia or anything which is like generally bad or just not in my morals
"Victim of proshipping" LMAOOO you can't be serious
You were victim of anti harras over fictional character?? Really? Then this is good I think
they are tho ,,
Yes? Grooming goes on in the pro ship community if you would care to believe it
As a proshipper, it is 100% possible to be a victim of proshipping. Whether you like it or not, it is possible to be gr00med into proshipping. Let’s not invalidate others experiences! that is NOT going to make them respect us!!
@ thank you for your comment! Out of curiosity are you a pro shipper who ships the stuff or you just don’t care what people do with that stuff? Thank you!