Is The Worlds Oldest 22 y/o Stronger Than John Haack?
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Again, that facial hair adds at least 25% to his lifts. It's cheating. Haack competes without a beard or moustache. It's unfair to compare.
Beards should be banished by untested federations, its just unfair. I am writing this with a full beard.
@@philipppasternak4451 no pubic hair either!!! 🙅🏿♂️
@@mr.kwamid-86_43 Waxing only.
@@JuggoJuggo my man ;)
wish this was true
Absolutely crazy. I just can't get my head around how people get so strong by such a young age. Steroids or not, that's utterly amazing.
It's called "Genetics" my friend and some of them have elite genetics as you can see
@@mariolp2999 It's also called following a structured lifting programme years on end from a young age. It's also coupled with using gear and being insanely dedicated. Genes are an important factor, but do not give you a 400kg squat just by themselves.
@@mariolp2999 I know it's genetics mate. I still can't comprehend it. Say you start training at 16, and you start training with just the empty bar, to get the feel for the right technique. To go from that to 9-10 plates in the space of 6 years is absolutely unreal progression.
@@chriss2122 Even if he started at 2 plates that's adding more than a plate a year lol
It’s like comparing apples to oranges
John competes at 198 raw no wraps
Derek competes at 242 with wraps which can put a 100lbs on your squat if you know how to use them.
In my opinion if John stays in the sport long enough and remains healthy and eventually moves up to 242 he’ll total over 2400 raw
2 weight classes higher and wraps, I'd say John still has it. But he looks set up to have an all time great career.
2 weight classes is so significant, and wraps adds like 30+ kg
Also, sumo. I know, I know. Bring on the hate.
This guy was totally getting cigarettes and beer for other kids when he was 16.
9*
More like 11
Dude easily looks like he's in his 50s. I'm not sure what I'm mind blown by more. The fact that he's so strong? Or the fact that he's a 58 year old 22 year old
@@BenBenjaBenjamin Seethe
In his 50s? Come on, jealousy is not a good look
@@ALL4NTHING I'm old as dirt and he's way stronger than I'll ever be. But facts is facts. Mans 22 goin on 60
@tab021 its the beard bro trust me :) go on his page and see how he looks without beard
He looks mid to late 30s, not 58.
>stronger
>lowbar sumo squat in wraps, sumo deadlift
Yeah sure I respect those techniques as a part of powerlifting performance because those are the rules, but "stronger" cmon. Comparing any person to John Haack is doing them a disservice...
John Haack would eat that idiot for breakfast if they were in the same weight class.
Dude definitely loses 10-15%+ off his lifts by dropping down 40lbs to be the same weight as john.
@@josephmangano3261 why do you call this monster of a human an idiot? The guy is trying his best and you just disrespect it directly..
@@josephmangano3261 you got destroyed
Sumo squat is just as hard as conv squat. Have you tried it? His dl is called a semi-sumo because his feet are barely wider than the shoulder width and the rom is still very full. Wraps add about 10% to squats. And he's only 22, still many years ahead to be stronger.
How strong was Haack at 22? Not very! That's how much time this guy has to improve. In strength sports, 22 is very newbie. Most strength athletes peak at near 30.
Haack crushes the man. 100lbs more on bench while 40 lbs lighter. Less equipment and doesn't really lose the other lifts.
Bold claims while young are fine though, best of luck to him.
In powerlifting, the "strongest" is the one that totals the most, which isn't haack.
@@littlethuggie using knee wraps makes a difference and this is were all the advantage total-wise for derek comes form. Your statement is absolutely stupid.
@@littlethuggie no. There are weight classes for a reason
@@littlethuggie wtf? In RAW powerlifting John Haack out totals him by 116 pounds ... Are you ok???
2100 vs 2216 if you're wondering ...
@@mhgvhhbbhc5803 so that everyone can get a trophy.
He honestly looks like he could be my fucking dad and im 20...
What heavy blasting does to your body....
@@bozoc2572 wears ya down to the bone ;)
He is your daddy..
In my experience guys like Derek who blast so much gear from such a young age usually get injured and fizzle out very quickly.
That being said, it is remarkable that this man is not even a year older than me and has very nearly double my total.
I agree but I also think times have changed. It isn't the wild west of the old days where dudes would just blast and lift without having access to all the information on recovery etc that we have these days.
@@MrJamesdryable Recovery aint got nothin to do with managing PED usage. You mean the information on blood work, organ imaging, health supplements and preventative medications. Thats what makes a difference.
Yeah John placed 4th in the US Open in 2017 as a natty. Wasnt until after that mean at 23, almost nearing 24 when he started sarms he did a cycle of like 10mg a day Ostarine. Super mild. Then he grudated to some other sarms then he started test and now hes on test/var or test and anadrol. Given his progression and that we see he wasn't lying about being natty in retrospect bc his lifts jumped so much, and that he was beating guys on tons of shit while being at anabolic free not counting banned substances like stimulants, it is not unreasonable to believe his addmited doses are legit. Says hes never done more than the compounds I mentioned and hes never taken more than 650mg of gear in total per week. When you hear the arguably best untested powerlifter ever and best of today certainly, is on less than a gram you automatically say bullshit bc most of the other guys are on no less than a gram at the very least. But John being such an outlier its possible just for him. Derek has been presumably on gear since 19 or 20 at doses higher than John has ever taken according to some sources. Not that this is cheating bc obviously its untested but with the whole age equation you have to compare that too. I dont rlly know why we are equating a 198 sleeves guy with a 242 wraps guy tho. Are we gonna equate a 181 male and a 181 female? Srs question its not out of bounds by this logic, you could easily do that with line of reasoning. John is much more of a freak in relative strength and for not taking crazy abusive dosages even at his peak while Derek is my age and been on fat blasts. I question the impulses of people who get on in their very early 20s while their fresh off of solidifying brain growth and pubertal gains. Like you couldnt wait until 23-24 when your much more in the clear for any developmental problems? 30 is way too late to begin blasting though so 23-25 is a good medium. Aye if its ur will to potentially suffer mental health and cognitive functioning impairment just so you can hit a bigger total at 21 more power to u lmao.
Yes, but it doesn't matter how much rodis a young guy does. He never gonna look nor lift like Derek
the last few years guys with 25 y/o or less moving incredible numbers (international levels) but looking like 45 y/o guys, yeah that´s something tricky moving under the water
I feel like they're on some stuff that will make life very difficult for them when they're older. Like 30s and 40s
Legend has it, Derek will still be the strongest 22 year old in 40 years
Dude looks like he started puberty at 7
@@BenBenjaBenjamin big bawls
@@BenBenjaBenjamin what the fuck are you talking about
The world’s oldest 22yo ? 🤣
He looks 54 lol
That’s what I was thinking when I saw the title
@@user-zz5og2lf7p yo u blackpilled?
@@othman4607 yea, why U think that?
@@user-zz5og2lf7p profile picture and u wrote « it’s over » in your youtube bio
If he can beat John in dots, then he can talk, body weight matters! He does have a very bright future if he doesn’t get any major injuries and can definitely be the best
I can't tell if the title is on purpose, but he does look like one of the oldest 22 year olds I have seen
He looks like one of the oldest 40 year olds at 22 years old
@@BenBenjaBenjamin where's the cope here?
@@10ahm01 cope
One of the oldest?
@@jadenchau you are using it wrong :)
Wow that's a really old 22 year old
@@BenBenjaBenjamin sounds like someone learned a new word
John doesn’t do sumo so he is still way stronger on deadlifts. He deadlifts like a real Fuckn man. Really enjoy ur vids bro.
Lol
Nietzsche is puttin up some real numbers bro
That man is 137 years old just like Joe Louis when he fought Rocky Marciano.
I peaked out when I was young I think. But these guys are on another level. Most I ever hit in a powerlifting meet was 485 and I thought that was something 😂 but I was in the 148lbs class
John haack is crazy strong for being that light. Its clear who’s better here
It's me, right? :)
i bet there’s some mad lad out there somewhere training to top all these numbers
I'm 21 and he can pass as my dad. bruv
Lol 😂😂
this is good comparison, and there should be more comparisons between classes. people dont really realise how much weight you have to put on to gain advantage in strenght. if Derek moved down weightclasses i dont think he would loose a lot on his total, and vice versa.
when you look at absolute strongest powerlifters like Petr Petras and Daniel Bell, you have to admire the consistency and ability to sacrifice everything for strenght, including putting on ridiculus amounts of body weight on themselfs.
This is exactly what Derek was hoping for with all his shit talk. To get some shine and a spotlight. You shouldn't have given it to him.
That's exactly right.
So this guy is 22 huh? 22 in what? Years on Neptune or some shit lmaoo
😂🤣
Dogyears:D
Hey dude i was wondering how you submit clips for the highlights right in the end of the video
Honestly I’m more impressed with Ben at the end with his Deadlift 🙏🏽
Derek is a great powerlifter, strong af
Young bull
Waiting for a new born to break record by lifting 7x body weight on the 3 lifts
John stronger for sure and hes pulling conv
@@BenBenjaBenjamin John has a 116 pound higher total at 40 pounds lighter bodyweight, you 'cope' son.
@@IISocratesII cope, John is mediocre compared to Derek
@@rabbigoldbergsilverstein2899 Lol you cant say cope if you dont give an argument
How do I apply for the subscriber highlight?
Either way, the lads are monsters. Their numbers just boggle the mind.
Derek is also deadliftig sumo, congrats to the young guy at the end
I dont see how comparing this guy to John is relevant simply because they are both impressive. John is much lighter and competes raw. So in regards to powerlifting they have nothing in common. It seems you are recyling Johns video and name-dropping for veiws while you don't even pay the 22 year old powerlifter the respect of adding his name to the title.
Dats rite beeg dawg. Tell him!! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Dude with the righteous stache for the win.
This is the thing that i believe: we see the strongest people through social media, but i bet you there is always somebody grinding in their gym/basement who can do 20kg more😄 the 505kg deadlift for example. We hear about the top 5 contenders and see what they can do. I live in Finland and by chance one strongman here had listed accomplishments from finnish powerlifters and turns out one deadlifter here was able to pull over 490kg which is the most i've seen anybody pull since bjornsson🤔 so believe me, there is always someone who can do a bit more, and thats awesome😄💪
Yep not everyone wants to be vain on social media. They want to be strong for the sake of strength, not Instagram likes or TikTok follows
If social.media didn't exist, more than half these kids wouldn't be touching a barbell. Now we have a bunch of whiny gymshark zoomers who wet their diapers Everytime you walk in front of their camera in a public gym 😂😂
Everyone is 23 years old these days 😂
@@BenBenjaBenjamin dat azz
Derek is 22? I actually though this dude was 30+. The things gear does to you man
John's 30 and looks like a college kid
Dudes Russian American but got the black don't crack aging gene of Mark felix
If Russians didn't drink to death they wouldn't crack either.
@@LordDark102 you’re really underestimating how much Americans drink
Lol he's 28, but close enough
@@omgiheartpie he has the same birthday as me he's almost 29. So basically 30.
Funny he's older than cbum and Larry but looks younger
@@LordDark102 true lol my grandfather's almost 90 and still can do 225 paused.
John Hack is a beast 💪 great video too
no way he's 22 im gonna need to see a birth certificate lmao
Just curious how to get lifts featured on the channel
A MUCH BETTER comparison would be this beast of a kid vs Yuri Belkin, who competes at 220/240 and in wraps. Maybe do a video about that ...
This was before John's 1030kg
If he’s 22 I’m negative 48
💀💀💀
I would like to know what these people are eating to get this strong so young? Need some tips because I’d love to be this strong in 2 years time it’s amazing
Tren sandwiches mate.
How is this even a conversation lol the DOTs / Wilks score speaks for itself
They are talking about absolute strength in the video.
@@joshuavd5194 yeah I know but it’s just stupid lol wow some dude who uses more beneficial equipment at a heavy weight lifts “heavier” yeah no shit… it’s still laughable too cuz Haack benches way more and can dead the same now
@@elevatedstrength6793 yeah I agree using wraps etc does make it a bit misleading
“For Squats I think Derek has the upper hand.”
Meanwhile Derek is in the 242 class, with wraps, and looks 45 🤡
Catch Derek outside once Josh gets that bench over 500
Please check out John Macbean he raw benches 460 at 60 years old raw with no arch absolutely insane
not just upper hand on squat.. John could do 370 with wraps.. which is still 40kg less
steroids: your bench goes from 180kg to 260kg
your squat goes from 270kg to 340kg
your looks go from 22 years old to 38 years old
At this point John is the goat but with a little more age Derek’s got a good chance at taking that title away.
DOTS/glp are the only measurements that really matter for powerlifting anyway. Also if you took away the wraps, John Haack would have a higher total in absolute weight too. So this guy is still pretty far off from even being on par with John, let alone stronger. However, the fact that he's only 22 is promising regardless, it'll be exciting to see what he can do in the years to come.
Idk exactly what you’re talking about when you say he’s pretty far off? His squat is superior to John’s by a significant margin and his deadlift is slightly better too. Their totals are damn near identical.
@@kaankoksal1412 In powerlifting competition best lifters are chosen by dots/gloss points not by total weight lifted and john is very far ahead in this case
@@kaankoksal1412 Derek's total wouldn't even be higher than John's if he lifted raw (easily would lose 80-100lbs+ on squat). Even if Derek were to catch up to John in DOTS, he still wouldn't be as strong because wraps are a huge advantage that isn't accounted for with the DOTS formula.
John haack is just one of a kind, but duuude this 22 y/o is crazy strong
Just keep up that lineair progress and you will beat Derek by the time you're 22
He’s not touching the GOAT. But a strong young man can dream.
But is he sucking da 🐐, baaaa
Derek literally said on 2 White Lights that he talks shit about John to anger his fanboys and boost him in the algorithm. They literally push his popularity by hating on him😂
Kind of a bitch move tbh
@@mr.kwamid-86_43 he likes John and hates his fanboys. If grown men who couldn’t total the subtotal of a 22 year old get angry bc he makes jokes about John that’s on them
@@jacobwilson7030 still, the fact that he has to resort to that shit just to get his name up is lame.
Derek is a masters competitor
what is there to ruminate about? Its the man who has lifted the most weight in competition in a given federation and standard who is the strongrest.
Didn't haack just pull 903 not too long ago and also benched 600
Not in comp. It was also on that stupid Kabuki deadlift bar.
Haack literally outlifted this dude in the American pro 2022
John Haack still scores higher than Derek in dots. He’s the superior powerlifter.
The world's oldest 22yr old? Made me double take
I don't understand the age thing. You start young, you get strong young. Plus size. if you're a 300lb 17yr old, weight still moves weight doesnt matter if you're 22 or 42. Now throw a bunch of steroids on top of it. He's impressively strong because he's strong, not because he's that strong at 22
judging but what you just wrote, I think you are not familiar with strength sports for a longer time.
Why always bring up his older look? That doesnt matter he is strong as hell. But if he competes in a whole different weightclass, his claims to be stronger than Haack are nonsense
He's only 22; he may very well be stronger in the future. He claims that he will be, not currently is. People bring up his older looks because he looks much older than what his age suggests. It doesn't change anything, but it is what it is.
haack squatted 345 for addition 5kg for a wrong plate loading on the squat
Yeah. He is very strong and very young but I wonder where will he be in 5 years. I hope not, but I my opinion he will get 1 maybe 2 more good meets than his health will start getting worse from all this heavy lifting and drugs.
We all remember Jesse Norris and his amazing total, but where is he now?
well I hope you're wrong. Jesse could've still kept it going even with his back issues but it seems like he lost interest in the sport
@@keno104 I hope I am wrong too bro.
Conventional beats sumo
Explain this rise of 20 year olds looking like 50 year olds breaking records to me. I am confused.
If he's 22 I'm 12
Yeah...They definitely don't ask him for ID when he buys beer.
That was motivated
I don't think Derek is there yet honestly. The guys strong, but he weighs more, and they're both pulling similar amounts of weight. I think he'd lose some of that strength if he dropped down to a different weight division honestly. Not knocking him, it's impressive, far stronger than I am.
He asked which was stronger. Well, that's easy. The one moving the most weight
@@littlethuggie lol
no 22yo can posses this mustache
Why not if you dont shave for 3 years
Wow the worlds ~oldest~ 22 y/o?!?!
Ah this guy again? Yeah he's a monster.
Lol.not heem again!!!
The dude is strong no doubt but he's not the stronger than Haack because he uses sleeves on the squat and he deadlifts sumo compared to conventional so kinda hard to compare those 2 and on bench John blows him away so pound for pound John is still way more impressive. Think if Haack moved up 2 weight classes and used wraps on his squat he would probably be 900+ on squat over 700 on bench and definitely over 1000 on deads
If things were different, they'd be different. Yes
If jesse norris hopped on and reached his full potential he'd smoke both of em. Shame for the events that unfolded
Subscriber highlight needs to lock that shit out tbh.
He uses knee wraps
What kind of title is this ?
He looks 40 years old
Guys who get that strong that young always end up snapped up
So we just not gone add larry wheels to this conversation... Non of them are natural nor will they ever be as long as they are y
Under 40
Hack is way superior
Meh, John is still too far ahead right now. And he pulls conventional, if he had the leverages to get into sumo position he would probably be pulling what Jamal does at the strength hes at now. Sumo is very technical and if you can get into good position its just much easier
Actual question because im curious as fuck, is that guy juiced or nah.
"Deathgrip" is a nickname that should be exclusively reserved for larry wheels
Why ?? Larry has grip issues
@@dazetoxiix4768 theres a video of larry talking about his porn addictipn and there he said he used to use a "death grip" on his dick🤣🤣
Its srill up on his channel, he actually just referenced it in todays video
@@ArminEghdamiDrums oh 😂now I understand
Mark felix
Derek sumod John didn’t
Worlds youngest grandpa
I don’t understand. Why comparing yourself to someone not even in the same weight class.
He should put his money where his mouth is, cut to John’s weight class and compete against him in a meet.
Dude is incredibly strong, there’s no denying it. But please, leave the ego at home.
Why would he need to be in the same weight class? If you are stronger than someone in absolute strength you can say so not problem.
Not sure what you mean in the title by "oldest" 22 year old...but he looks closer to 32 years old.
He means for 22 yrs old, derek looks way older lol
"Worlds oldest 22 year old" quite a record
john does high bar and conventional >>>>
He's 2 weight classes higher and squats with wraps and he's talking smack about being stronger? To me that just makes you look and sound like a pleb
Worlds oldest 22 year old lol
What derek? couldn't understand his first name
yes
The one with the bigger total is stronger.