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I particularly dont like the hands she choose to bluff on the turn. She could have so many other hands to bluff and her hand is actually type of hands she wants Daniel to fold because it contains check raise range that Daniel is check folding on the turn. Daniel knew she was overbluffing in this spot and went for nice bluff.
Why is she making such small bets with such a large stack? She could just wait for the scare card (King) then bet big and she wins? It's a perfect bluffing board, she gave it to him. Crazy.
The 3 doesn't even matter now. It's 9s and Kings. Even if Daniel had a 3 in his hand, he probably has J3, A3, Q3 or even 10-3. It became about the kicker. Her kicker would have been 8. So even if she put Daniel on a 3, because the board paired, she thought he will definitely have a card higher than 8 to go along with his 3.
Both players have two pair! Nines and kings! She has the bigger kicker! An eight over his three! Three pair does not count! A poker hand is the best five cards!
This analysis is well done and entertaining. However, for the average viewer, I think the big picture is being missed. Dnegs' opponent called a check raise with 8 high on a paired board without a lot going for it. Against an aggressive flop player who shuts down after one street, maybe. But to call a check raise with a hand you KNOW is behind and could be drawing dead against a world class player is just fundamentally wrong. I assume it was an in game lapse of judgment (we all do it) because of being chip leader. Daniel would've been just fine with a fold on the flop but that raise was not meant to be a bluff. As far as Daniel's play on the river goes, if that river card is anything other than a nine, three or king, I assume he either calls or folds. Meaning this hand is a little cherry picked, as so many "training hands" are. The real lesson from this hand is what not to do. DO NOT CALL CHECK RAISES when you know you're behind to try and bluff good aggressive players. (1) Most poker players way under bluff check raise (2) Good payers balance check raising flop with best hand, draws and don't give up on the pot which is what happened here Actually, please start playing hands in your next live tournament like both of these payers did.
Thank you for the poker theory lesson, I never considered that. Calling a check raise with a hand that might be ahead, for example with A high on a draw heavy texture, is one thing. Calling with a draw is another. You keep going around calling check raises with 8 high and no draw against tough opponents, someone is gonna be exploited, that’s for sure. They’re using the hand to get into Dneg’s mind, not recommend her play. Kristen is a crusher I’ve played with a few times (I have full respect for her game) but I’d guess when she looks back at this hand, she thinks “what was I thinking?”
@jaredhemingway6078 you have to defend a portion of your range and the smaller the check raise the more of your range you have to defend. Her hand has robust equity meaning there's going to be a lot of turn cards that improve her hand to something more meaningful than 8 high.
@jaredhemingway6078 to explain robust equity a little better, any club, 5, 6, T, or J improves her hand to something that can beat a large portion of Daniel's range. Other than that, if Daniel has a 3, a 7 or 8 will also improver her hand to a winning hand. So hopefully what I've explained helps you understand her thought process of calling essentially a clickback with only "8 high".
Jeez, do I come off as someone who needs robust equity explained to them? You’ve written nothing I’m not already very familiar with. I’m educated in poker theory. What I’m saying is, her call is -EV against general population and certainly against tough opponents (who happen to be human beings, not a computer output). If you want to think otherwise, that’s fair, we can agree to disagree. I’m done with this hand, good luck in your games
When are you EVER betting 7 blinds on the river after betting 6 more blinds on flop/ turn… And the FOLDING!!!… To a 5 blind jam….. And you still have a 2:1 chip advantage if you lose the hand???? Uhhhhh….. NEVER.
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Its not dramatic effect. Notice there's no dollar signs anywhere? it's just number of chips. Everyone starts with say 10,000 chips, and as people lose their chips other peoples chip totals increase. Think of it as 'points' in a game.
No limit holdem you make the best 5 card hand. So the best hand would be 2 pair kings and nines and her 8 is a better 5th card than dnegs 3. So she is winning.
@@connorkenway9598 except that Daniel can't know she only has an 8 high. If she has an A, a 1010 or better a 9 or K she snap calls.Possibly with a Q and maybe even a J if she starts levelling her read of him on this hand. She only had to call $485k to win $1.5M and end Daniel's tournament. Even if she loses the hand she still has a 2.5:1 chip lead.
@@RobRochon Daniel explained why she doesn't have a King or a 9. She also probably checks back an Ace on river. 1010 or better would never limp-in heads-up. Its stuff like that which Daniel is taking into account .
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Daniel’s hair is one of the greatest comeback stories of all time
Classic 😂
What a fantastic hand of poker
Truly one of the best hands of poker ive ever seen in my life
I particularly dont like the hands she choose to bluff on the turn. She could have so many other hands to bluff and her hand is actually type of hands she wants Daniel to fold because it contains check raise range that Daniel is check folding on the turn. Daniel knew she was overbluffing in this spot and went for nice bluff.
Makes Sense
Crap, I made this same comment, then checked the comment section. You beat me by 4 days lol. Makes sense
@@00SirSativa00 Makes sense
Makes sense
Why is she making such small bets with such a large stack? She could just wait for the scare card (King) then bet big and she wins? It's a perfect bluffing board, she gave it to him. Crazy.
sick hand
Daniel is the Goat
Kings and 9's play. 8 beats 3
It's kinda crazy, but she should be checking back hoping to beat 22,44-77. I'm trying to figure out what hand she loses to folds river. Maybe T3/J3?
The 3 doesn't even matter now. It's 9s and Kings. Even if Daniel had a 3 in his hand, he probably has J3, A3, Q3 or even 10-3. It became about the kicker. Her kicker would have been 8. So even if she put Daniel on a 3, because the board paired, she thought he will definitely have a card higher than 8 to go along with his 3.
@@OnzeMilano there are more counterfeited hands with a 3 that she beats than beat her
Dneg should have some other A highs that CR flop.
I mean.. thats a good fold.. just a better bluff.
Who ended up winning?
Foxen
Isn't it 993KK..?.. Which means both players have 2 pair...9's and k's...and she has an 8 and Daniel has a 3...yes?
That’s correct. Foxen has the best hand with 99KK8, 8 high card
Both players have two pair! Nines and kings! She has the bigger kicker! An eight over his three! Three pair does not count! A poker hand is the best five cards!
She WOULD HAVE WON THE HAND - but she FOLDED to his all-in.
Why is everyone in the comment section so damn confused? Lol
This analysis is well done and entertaining. However, for the average viewer, I think the big picture is being missed. Dnegs' opponent called a check raise with 8 high on a paired board without a lot going for it. Against an aggressive flop player who shuts down after one street, maybe. But to call a check raise with a hand you KNOW is behind and could be drawing dead against a world class player is just fundamentally wrong. I assume it was an in game lapse of judgment (we all do it) because of being chip leader. Daniel would've been just fine with a fold on the flop but that raise was not meant to be a bluff.
As far as Daniel's play on the river goes, if that river card is anything other than a nine, three or king, I assume he either calls or folds. Meaning this hand is a little cherry picked, as so many "training hands" are.
The real lesson from this hand is what not to do. DO NOT CALL CHECK RAISES when you know you're behind to try and bluff good aggressive players. (1) Most poker players way under bluff check raise (2) Good payers balance check raising flop with best hand, draws and don't give up on the pot which is what happened here
Actually, please start playing hands in your next live tournament like both of these payers did.
Lol if you don't ever call check raises when you are behind then you will get massively exploited.
Thank you for the poker theory lesson, I never considered that.
Calling a check raise with a hand that might be ahead, for example with A high on a draw heavy texture, is one thing. Calling with a draw is another. You keep going around calling check raises with 8 high and no draw against tough opponents, someone is gonna be exploited, that’s for sure.
They’re using the hand to get into Dneg’s mind, not recommend her play. Kristen is a crusher I’ve played with a few times (I have full respect for her game) but I’d guess when she looks back at this hand, she thinks “what was I thinking?”
@jaredhemingway6078 you have to defend a portion of your range and the smaller the check raise the more of your range you have to defend. Her hand has robust equity meaning there's going to be a lot of turn cards that improve her hand to something more meaningful than 8 high.
@jaredhemingway6078 to explain robust equity a little better, any club, 5, 6, T, or J improves her hand to something that can beat a large portion of Daniel's range. Other than that, if Daniel has a 3, a 7 or 8 will also improver her hand to a winning hand. So hopefully what I've explained helps you understand her thought process of calling essentially a clickback with only "8 high".
Jeez, do I come off as someone who needs robust equity explained to them? You’ve written nothing I’m not already very familiar with. I’m educated in poker theory.
What I’m saying is, her call is -EV against general population and certainly against tough opponents (who happen to be human beings, not a computer output). If you want to think otherwise, that’s fair, we can agree to disagree.
I’m done with this hand, good luck in your games
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When are you EVER betting
7 blinds on the river after betting 6 more blinds on flop/ turn…
And the FOLDING!!!…
To a 5 blind jam…..
And you still have a 2:1 chip advantage if you lose the hand????
Uhhhhh…..
NEVER.
Because you got yourself into a spot where you cant call with 8 high
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It sure is :)
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Always wondered, what are the "real" $ amounts being played for? It's obviously NOT the $ amounts depicted (dramatic effect).
Foxen won $165k in this tournament. The buy in was $10k.
Its not dramatic effect. Notice there's no dollar signs anywhere? it's just number of chips. Everyone starts with say 10,000 chips, and as people lose their chips other peoples chip totals increase. Think of it as 'points' in a game.
LOL See reply from @GTOLAB
I don’t get it , he had 3 pairs vs her two pairs
3 pairs Doesn’t count in poker. It is called counterfeited pair. So the 8 high beats the 3 high.
poker combinations are always made of 5 cards, from high card to royal flush
Easy fold
Proof that GTO is useless.
Gosh Foxen is so cringe, I can’t handle
how does a pair of threes not beat 8 high..im confused
They both have kings and 9s - her 8 beats his 3
It is called counterfeit
No limit holdem you make the best 5 card hand. So the best hand would be 2 pair kings and nines and her 8 is a better 5th card than dnegs 3. So she is winning.
@@khure711 yeah my bad.
You and I need to sit down for a game 😏
that doesn’t work 99% of the time ✌️
in this particular hand it does, because she only has 8 high, even if Dnegs doesn't have a 9 or K just a random J or other high card would beat her
@@connorkenway9598 except that Daniel can't know she only has an 8 high. If she has an A, a 1010 or better a 9 or K she snap calls.Possibly with a Q and maybe even a J if she starts levelling her read of him on this hand. She only had to call $485k to win $1.5M and end Daniel's tournament. Even if she loses the hand she still has a 2.5:1 chip lead.
You all missed the point of good player.
@@killed_bya_bot7775 You all missed the point that even good players just guess and sometimes get lucky
@@RobRochon Daniel explained why she doesn't have a King or a 9. She also probably checks back an Ace on river. 1010 or better would never limp-in heads-up. Its stuff like that which Daniel is taking into account .
Daniel has NO idea what he's talking about lmao. He's talking in circles & contradicts his prior statements.
How many millions have you won in poker?
Explain
Yes OK.. he's terrible at poker man. tf are you saying lol.
So she played bad. The end
No she played her hand excellent. That's the point of having this video.
Actually no.. that was the right play to fold.
She play so bad …..!That’s poker…. so bad poker players with such great results!
Wow u got an 8 high to fold
Congrats
lol games so simple isn't it?...when you see eveyones cards
Makes sense