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It's worse than a bad movie. At least you can laugh at a bad or stupid movie, a so-called guilty pleasure. But this movie is just such a bore. I saw quite a lot of trailers and every single one of them didn't grab me. - Generic lines that can be from any adventure movie ever. ''I've never seen anything like it!'' ''Didn't see that coming!'' ''We are way over our heads.'' - The ''so random'' humor is just stale and overused. - Character A says something hopeful, inspiring, or reassuring. Character B asks ''Really?'' and character A answers ''No.'' - Somebody dying is treated as a joke, so now I don't care whether anybody leaves or dies, and any scene trying to do an emotional fake or real death scene will be hollow. Even though the animation is great the design of the characters, creatures, and the world is just so boring and lacks any detail. These creatures are just blobs and simple shapes. It would've looked better in 2D. This movie's most outrageous problem is its theme of family and forgiveness. If you were one of the people that wouldn't forgive the grandma from Encanto or the mother from Turning Red you will hate the grandpa from the Strange World. He abandoned his teenage son and wife for 25 years. He missed his son's wedding, him starting his own farm, the birth of his first grandchild, and all 16 years of his life. He even said that if he wasn't trapped he still wouldn't have come back. What a terrible father! There's even a throwaway line about how his wife moved on and married another man. You would think it will be a huge deal but we never even get to see these two characters, they're presumably already dead anyway so we'll never get to see them interact in any possible sequel, show, or comics. Also, the environmental message this movie presents is suicidal. Let's stop using energy sources which our whole economy is based on without any alternatives in sight. It was written by an idiot before the inflation.
When the marketing was just "See this character? He was written with politics of current year in mind!" It is obvious the marketing is bad. And the film itself isn't good either.
Not only Disney didn't advertise the film properly, they released it during the FIFA World Cup and in most countries where football soccer is popular most people are going to watch the matches instead of going to the movies. It feels like they wanted Strange World to fail on purpose One thing I noticed is that the characters in the Neutral Spanish dub are voiced by professional dub voice actors, there're no celebrities voicing characters like in previous Disney dubs (except Frozen), this is actually great but it makes me wonder if Disney didn't even consider this movie important enough to hire some celebrities. Though I prefer animated films dubs to be done by professional voice actors so this was a good decision
If we want to conspiracy theorize, it could be argued that they *did* want it to fail so that they could go "aha! see! movies with gay characters will fail, so you should get off our backs about including representation! no one wants it!" but who knows
@@rewby23 Not far off. Maybe add some executive business men spiting artist for the sole purpose of they wanting to preserve classic approach to entertainment movie for the audience instead of merchandising for the investors.
@@rewby23 imo i think disney is trying way, wayy too hard with representation. it's very in-your-face and often feels forced and separate from the actual plot, just so it can grab a wider audience and push their virtue-signaling.
Technically the last Disney movie to have a true sentient villain was was Moana with Krakatoa but even then we don’t see him until a really good way into the movie.
I'm glad you brought up the problem with lack of villains in recent Disney animated films. It really does seem like Disney is too afraid to make new villains for some reason and that is such a shame because they have made such fantastic villains in the past such as Hades, Scar, Jafar, Ursula, Maleficent etc. I recently watched Wreck-It Ralph for the first time and I thought it had a pretty good Villain.
@@creaturetransylvania8943 I mean if someone sees themselves in a Disney villain like the ones I’ve mentioned that kind of sounds like that’s their problem tbh. Also not every villain is redeemed nor is deserving of it. That’s just the way it is. Some are just way too evil for it.
@@creaturetransylvania8943 If someone gets upset other that oh well. If we have to start catering over other people’s feelings to this capacity than what’s even the point of writing fiction anymore. No offense but I just find this to be an odd mentality. I mean it’s not like fiction hasn’t been this way for hundreds of years.
The character designs seem too clash for me. The women look like your basic disney Frozen/Encanto style, while the men look like they could have come from the Hotel Transylvania cast. And the colors of the world, very Croods like. It's a bit of everything!
I actually thought that it was a Sony movie at first because I remembered that Genndy Tartakovsky had a similar sounding and looking movie in production Edit: the movie is called "Can you imagine" don't know why I associated it with "Strange world"
I honestly thought that the main character looked like a recycled character model from Lightyear. Which probably also didn't help it's marketing because of how similar the two look.
There are still plenty of Disney movies with worlds KH4 can still utilize. 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea? Atlantis? Hocus Pocus? There are probably a bunch of other live-action films from Disney with worlds that could work.
I can safely say, even before I start watching this video, that yes. Disney sabotaged this movie by underadvertising it. When Disney decides to advertise anything here in Brazil, they scatter it everywhere, and very often, when there's still at least *1 year* until its release. I haven't seen a single ad about Strange World until a week prior, and the most I've seen as ads was one radio announcement and very, VERY few publicity clocks (they're these public digital clocks scattered around the city with a poster on top of it, they're very common around here.). Bonus: I live in frigging SÃO PAULO, the biggest METROPOLIS of the ENTIRE COUNTRY, ammounting to 49 million inhabitants and harboring the biggest PRIDE PARADE OF THE WORLD. They. Did. This. Movie. Dirty! Oh, and let's not forget Disney does have a history with sabotaging or trying to dissociate from works they feel are going to anger the conservative masses (and by 'anger' I mean 'lose money from'). They did this with Treasure Planet, and before that, they did it with... guess... Nightmare Before Christmas. Touchstone Pictures was a subsidirary of Disney. They didn't want their name attached to it cuz they were sure there would be backlash from the more zealous side of the audience if they knew it was a Disney-endorsed product.
I mean moana did have tamatoa, he's the closest thing to a classical villain we got in recent years but he's ultimately just a minor obstacle rather than a true primary antagonist.
Disney: "We don't make sci-fi, adventure-themed movies because nobody watches them." Also Disney: *Purposely reduces amount of promotions* Next thing you know, Disney will stop making these kinds of movies all-together just because of their own choices. 😔
That'll just open the door for someone else to try to make this kind of content without the constraints of being part of Disney (though still having to deal with Disney's passive strategies of stiffling/mitigating competition)
@@bearerofbadnews1375 Yup, unlike Atlantis The Lost Empire, and Treasure Planet which are both considered underrated masterpieces despite being box office bombs when they came out, Pixar’s Lightyear and Disney’s Strange World are also huge box office bombs, and they both sucked in comparison to Atlantis and Treasure Planet being great movies. Oof.
I mean we have had some big Sci Fi films that were a hit/gained attention. Wall-e and Tron are great examples and it has shown also how even if they market it, it'll bomb. Best example for that is John Carter.
Man the owl house and amphibia were some of the best shows I've seen in years, pity Disney had to maim it, lumnity is such a comfort ship, just an adorable wholesome couple, one that feels actually genuine, because it's not forced for the whole "I'm gay" personality character... Its crushing to see this happen to some of the few good shows... And inside job got cancelled after already getting a new season greenlight.
I think I have to agree about the generational trauma trope starting to get old... It's a great concept and wasn't really done well for a while, but now it's been done repeatedly in just a few short years. I also 100% agree about the need to bring back true villains. Overly Sarcastic Productions here on youtube did a great piece about how not every villain needs to be relatable, or to have a sympathetic backstory/motivation (look up OSP Trope Talk: Pure Evil). True evil villains are fun, charismatic, memorable, and can be great for the story.
@@SwiftNimblefoot I know, but there will be algorithms and targeted videos, so if they actually want to scam people, at least try it properly. Or better yet, don't do that. And yes reported already
The discourse of this will always be a cancer because in the end, the corpo always wins and everyone who fights each other on woke or not and get on everyone's faces will lose.
When Disney releases so many flops, people tend to tune out your products. Lightyear, instead of basing it off the fun and campy Buzz Lightyear of Star Command series, decided to base it off Interstellar and it was boring. Wreck It Ralph had potential to parody video games like Toy Story did with toys, but turned into a weird corpo circle jerk of product placement. It was a Disney version of the emoji movie.
You do realize that Wreck-It Ralph is beloved right? Same with Big hero 6, I don't remember people talking about it that much when it came out but apparently it's a classic now.
I thought Wreck It Ralph was a good movie. Nostalgic for the 80s and 90s kids, memorable characters, a simple story, some touching scenes and more. Although the sequel isn't really that good
I went to see this movie on the second day and the theatre was empty besides me and my folks. I'm pretty sure Disney is pulling another Treasure Planet with this one to move their family movies from cinema releases to straight to streaming. That there was a trailer for another Disney family movie right before it which ended with "Only on Disney+" instead of "Only in theaters and on Disney+" pretty much confirmed our little conspiracy theory for me.
Speaking of conspiracy theories, one floating around are saying Disney is hurting the film on purpose, so people will go see Black Panther and the new Avatar film to boost their box office. outside of that, I've been hearing the film is a little boring. And by little, I mean some have walked out of the film during the first 10-20 minutes or so.
@@TheDarkAngel969 Surely not boring enough to walk out of. Not sure what kind of constant adrenaline rush they expected. Most of the people I heard walking out were conservative parents who weren't ready to see gay relationships portrayed in their family movies.
I liked villain from Kung Fu Panda 2. This albino peacock was really good, tragic, with decent background, likable even but still did horrible things and he was obsessed with power. Just really good villain
And that peacock was voiced by a legendary Academy-award winning actor Gary Oldman, who's best known for playing Winston Churchill (which won him an Academy award), Commissioner Jim Gordon in Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, and Sirius Black in the Harry Potter franchise.
@@cryptbeast3222 It's known as Count Dracula that Gary Oldman portrayed (of which he looked unrecognizable due to that heavy load of makeup) in Bram Stoker's Dracula.
And it doesn’t help how Encanto has a very powerful story, so much so that when I saw the film with my family last year, many of them cried and gave it a standing ovation
Encanto wasn't even that good of a story. So many things weren't addressed as they should've been or outright swept under the rug due to time restraints it pissed me off.
@@petnaby I disagree. Now this is from personal experience but while I’m born in NYC, my family was born in Ecuador and let me say that some of the stuff you see the characters going through in Encanto are very similar to what many Latinos face in their country and I feel that layer of storytelling is why this film touch the hearts of my family
As a parent a lot of folks overestimate kids Literally just “some people like people of the same gender/sex and fall in love” is all my not even 7yo needed
I think the people who scream “my kids will be confused” are just inadequate parents who themselves can’t comprehend that other people may be different.
The family theme you mentioned at 8:33 makes sense. Strange World didn't look unique from what we've been getting. The creatures looked like they came from The Sea Beast. Turning Red and Encanto served the whole family therapy angle. Lightyear was a space exploration saga (kind of). The poor promotion didn't help.
@@maninanikittycat4238 I think the last time we had a villain that's evil for the sake of being evil (their own twisted goals) was the first wreck it Ralph. Since then it really has been either no villain at all or a very sympathetic character that was pushed that way through no fault of their own.
@@sllawson6 yeah but one can argue that it was strongly hinted through the whole movie. Twist villains can work if the movie was set up properly for it.
I was really upset about how Disney treated this movie because I was super excited for its artistic differences from other Disney films. Some of my favorite background coloring just from the trailer
Love how a kids movies can show a man and a woman kiss with no issues yet people flip out when it's even vaguely implied that a character is attracted to the same sex.
Yeah because there's nothing wrong with kissing and other such displays of affection. And im not gonna say that same sex attraction isn't natural because it definitely is or that it's bad because it definitely isnt, but showing impressionable kids that kind of stuff isn't really a good idea. You know where I'm going with this. The new generations amount of gays and lesbians have significantly increased and I wonder what they've been watching...
@@DarkStallion101 There only appears to be more gay people around today because they are a lot more open about it now than they were back then. By this logic there should be no gay or straight couples in kids movies because it can turn a straight kid gay or a gay kid straight.
Here in Mexico (Were I'm from and live) there was already some theaters across the contry where Del Toro's Pinoccio was shown and I saw it, it's a beautiful story about parenthood, innocence and even dead. No joke, I cried in the first 10 minutes on the movie. I highly recommended, it's beautiful.
i have to say that the reason modern animated films focus so much on generational conflict is because that was a HUGE theme in a large majority of anime series and films in the 80s and 90s. The millenials who grew up watching that anime are now the ones in the animation industry. We were all heavily inspired by that Japanese media as kids/teens and now that we are experiencing generational trauma of our own in the west, those messages feel more pertinent now than ever. So I feel like its less that there is purposely less villains, and more that the ones making the movies now don’t view the world so black and white.
I was thinking of that too. In fact, that was kind of one reason anime was loved really because they would not just view the world as black & white unlike most American cartoons from the 70s, 80s & even some 90s ones(the 70s ones in particular were usually, well let's just say, either boring or garbage).
@@Wired4Life2 Depends on what you watch, but Akazukin ChaCha definitely pulls it off better than this. It's not a bad movie, it's an okay movie, but the writing seems to have not been properly finalized.
Yes, you are correct, but from a narrative perspective we need an antagonist to push the story, depends on many factors of course. When talking about a slice-of-life movie it's quite different since it's a conflict with one's self. But in a sort of adventure movie, it would be interesting to see an antagonist with certain goals that crash with the protagonist. Or at least challenge their morals. Not to mention that most of the audience are kids (or at least it's directed towards kids) so writers need to be really good at their job to introduce these themes and ideas to kids in a manner that they would understand. I'm no expert really and definitely not good at arguments in a formal manner. But what I'm trying to say is that people need a reason to follow the story, they need to have a reason to care about these characters. The beauty of animation is that it's a format in which you can express what the character is feeling through overly exaggerated emotions. Even dream sequences can help in a story of self-conflict there are many examples in animated movies where it's an interior struggle. This is just my opinion, and I hope somebody can correct me or give me any insight into what they think/believe/etc.
I kinda wish more Disney movies adopted art styles similar to Turning Red because I’m gonna be honest, the main reason why I hold that movie way way WAAAAAAAAY higher in my heart than most people is because it feels really distinct and fresh. Same with The Bad Guys and Spider-Verse. Like, I’m so hungry for more 3D animated movies like those or just flat out traditional 2D movies that don’t BOMB.
Honestly the only reason why I have no interest in this movie is because it looks bad. The style seems so lifeless and bland. Not up to Disney’s standards, and like it’s trying to cater to audiences that prefer other studio’s stuff or they’re trying to save money by using generic looking designs. I feel bad for the movie in a way - it’s like there wasn’t enough love in it to make it look unique and stand out
Turning Red definitely made me think it was a movie only for kids and while I enjoyed the message the animation was a turn off for me. They should go back to the 2D stylization like Atlantis, Tarzan, Hercules, etc where they have more freedom
The marketing for _Strange World_ along with the lukewarm critical reception were the main factors why _Strange World_ bombed at the box office, and I'm very saddened cause this is the first we ever had a science fiction film from Walt Disney Animation Studios in a while and it does remind me of the Adventure/Science Fiction animated films Disney released in the early 2000's like _Atlantis_ and _Treasure Planet._ Speaking of _Atlantis_ and _Treasure Planet_ along with Pixar's _Lightyear_ released earlier this year, both of these films suffered what _Strange World_ endured: poor marketing from Disney's marketing department, critical lukewarm reception and also Box Office competition, with just _Strange World, Lightyear and Treasure Planet_ bombing at the box office. Now compared to _Treasure Planet_ and _Lightyear_ which had heavy competition from other films that came out the same month on opening weekend (e.g. _Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets_ & James Bond's _Die Another Day_ - Treasure Planet; _Top Gun Maverick_ & _Jurassic World: Dominion_ - Lightyear) resulting in them flopping at the box offfice, _Strange World's_ *ONLY* major competition was _Black Panther: Wakanda Forever._ However, due to the poor marketing, the lukewarm reception and Disney primarily focusing more on _Black Panther: Wakanda Forever_ and _Avatar: The Way of Water_ (which comes out 2-3 weeks after Strange World) respectively over _Strange World_ resulted in the film being "Sandwiched" between those two blockbuster films and Disney not choosing to release the film in countries where LGBTQ+ is "Taboo" due to the character of Ethan Clade being gay along with Disney releasing the film as a "Disney+ Original Film" in France (due to France's strict film regulations) this was a "nail to the coffin" for _Strange World._ I'm saddened on the film not doing well at the box office cause we haven't had too many original science fiction Disney films wether it's Live-Action or animated, considering that outside of _Star Wars_ most of their original IP Science Fiction films (e.g. _Black Hole, Tomorrowland, Treasure Planet, John Carter, A Wrinkle In Time, Lightyear,_ etc.) just bomb at the box office and it makes me more concerned what's to come moving forward cause with Pixar's _Lightyear_ and now Disney Animation's _Strange World_ bombing at the box office it could possibly result in Disney and Pixar not doing anymore Science Fiction animated films moving forward.
I'm oddly starting to think that the sci-fi genre is surprisingly a curse when it comes to, not just Disney, but to all animated western films in general. With all seriousness, sci-fi is my absolute number one favorite genre, and it's completely sad to see it not be represented in a lot of western animated films. With the only famous ones being anime, "Akira" and "Ghost in The Shell" to be more specific. It sucks to have them almost always be box office failures, I mean man Lightyear just had so much ambition. Sucks it ended being kind of mediocre... :(
Maybe leave the propaganda out, if you want normal people to watch it. I am fucking tired of being patronized and alot of people just feel jaded with Disney, because as long as Black Rock owns Disney their is no money for me to spend their.
If the Walt Disney Company (WDC) keeps operating like this, none of them will be doing anything shortly... I'm still very mad because of how WDC sabotaged Turning Red, but also Pixar in a whole by not releasing their movies in theaters. Meanwhile Raya got a theater release and Encanto got re-relased after Disney+. So frustrating..
@@JohrnyReport Disney is big enough I doubt black Rock owns them. There are plenty of reasons to dislike Disney, like their growing monopoly as a media company, without going down conspiracy rabbit holes. Also, what propaganda? The gay character or the climate change message? Either way, the movie sounds mediocre and that's OK.
@@JohrnyReport shut up, being gay is not a propaganda you moron, me and many gay people grew up with movies that only had straight romance, did that make us straight? Clearly not
For me the main reason why alot of people are put off by the idea of gay characters ia due to how the media basically butchered their first attempts. At the start their entire character just revolved around them being gay, in others the media, movie or series, basically said that if you didnt like the character then there was something wrong with you. Not only for gays or lesbians but for women as well. Constantly not only dropping but basically throwing the ball down and just blaming the audience when nobody liked it. Because of this the audience have grown to learn that the moment a gay, woman, or black character is invovled in the story then its better to just ignore it rather than be mocked again. So when someone competent actually makes a proper character with these traits people are super skeptical and still have that sour taste on their mouths. They are not able to accept that a good character was finally made. This is the result of years of incompetent, agenda pushing writing. They took away the chance for actual competent writers who wanted to tell a good story to tell their story to the world. I watched the movie and for me it was really good, sure not perfect but good still.
I think the "anti-woke" crowd agrees with you but when it comes to Disney, it's exactly the opposite. When Disney had claimed multiple times to have a gay character, it often turned out to be a background character, a single line of dialogue or a 3 second interaction that could easily be deleted from the film to please more socially conservative countries.
yeah, strong disagree. This feels like a major fence sitting take that fails both ways for it. "Because of this the audience have grown to learn that the moment a gay, woman, or black character is invovled in the story then its better to just ignore it rather than be mocked again" Alien was released in the 70s (79 but still) and Ripley is still an iconic character to this day despite being a whamen. One of my personal favourite characters in all of gaming, Prophet, (or at least, that's what we call him, his name is Lawrence Barnes... seriously that monologue was just so fucking good) was black and, while he wasn't the "main character" of Crysis 1 where he debuted, he still had MAJOR story presence. The sex, skin colour, etc. isn't what people's issues are with these characters. You know how you can just spot bad CGI? Or how you can just spot bad green screen? Yeah it's that. Audiences can tell when a character is a character, that happens to have two X chromosomes, and when it's for "modern audiences". Audiences can tell when a character is a character, that happens to have a high melanin concentration, and when it's a character that is there for "representation". Sure audiences may not be able to pin down a specific reason or even subset of reasons as to why it's the case, but it's something that can be recognized. Sort of like how Wanda killed every member of the illuminati, who had a Y chromosome, with ease, but the other two put up a fight. Or how Captain Marvel is routinely getting pushed as the most powerful MCU character, despite being hit by a tiny blast of tesseract energy (blew up several meters away only lightly hitting her) that Tony mass fucking produces as Badassium. (not even shitting you, look it up) And, despite, again, only being hit by a tiny fraction of tesseract energy, is portrayed as being able to compete with people with a full infinity gauntlet in raw strength. (despite the tesseract literally just being a housing for a SINGLE infinity stone) The reality is that audiences can tell when they're being pandered to. Most people? Most people aren't racist, most people aren't seixst, most people aren't any ism or ist, they just don't care. And since they don't care, when a narrative is pushed onto them, they aren't likely to be very receptive. There will always be a vocal minority, but dollars don't lie. I'm using a lot of MCU examples here because I've been rewatching some MCU stuff lately and, it's really just not comparable. If you want actual representation, watch the original Captain America. The Howling Commandos are an excellent example of representation done well because, the point wasn't showing people of a specific race, the point was that the "American Identity", being a soldier, etc. is irrelevant to your race, what matters is your values and strength of character. This is further exemplified by Cap himself who wasn't strong physically at all, but due to his strength of will and character he was chosen for the serum anyway. Similarly Carter was frankly just a badass, hitting a headshot on a moving car with a handgun. (although admittedly the romance aspect was played up a bit much IMO) The point of these characters wasn't "representation", it was telling a story, unifying against a common enemy, and having strength in that unison. (which frankly was all the better since the original CA movie was kind of cold blooded, people died on screen, like, died died, Cap through people out of planes, we SAW the guy that Carter shot, get shot, etc. This made the actual dread of war somewhat apparent because the tone actually matched it) There were even comments on sexism and whatnot with Carter, it was done well though because it was played off lightly and in a fitting context. (the 40s) This, rather hilariously so, counters modern MCU properties such as Falcon and the Winter Soldier where a core theme is all about representation and racism and whatnot. The funniest parallel to me is how the flag smashers are portrayed as sympathetic and having an admirable goal (i.e. : liking your country is bad) when Red Skull literally said to Cap "I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE, THERE ARE NO FLAGS" to which Cap responded "NOT MY FUTURE!" in the climax. The simple reality is, no, audiences aren't burnt out on minority characters or leading women, we're burnt out on being pandered to. Audiences can recognize when something is motivated by a narrative. Maybe not perfectly, maybe not 100% of the time, but enough. If I am to address the narrative itself here, I frankly don't even see it as good in the first place. It isn't the 40s; basically anyone can achieve success at this point. Some people might have a bit harder times sure but everyone always will, it's impossible to make sure everyone is always 100% equal in every respect. Life deals you your cards, and you have to play your hand. We can even the deck as much as possible, but you reach a point where you just have to play the game. At this point just about everyone ought to be able to succeed equally if they're willing to, so the constant narrative of racism, sexism, and every other ist and ism seems more harmful than anything since it propagates the idea that you can't. (yes there will always be genuinely shitty people, but drinking milk isn't racist, and men having physically different bone structures that requires them sit with their legs open isn't seixst) It's sort of like many privacy laws (not all, but many, some are good) in that, when you convince people that you need to pass a law to solve an issue, they believe they can't solve it on their own, even if they can. Privacy is generally attainable by most individuals, Linux is entirely usable, de-googled roms are basically at feature parity, temporary email addresses are free, etc. (as someone who uses all of those, I'm never going back to the anti-privacy alternatives if I can help it because they're frankly just better anyways, privacy be damned) But SO many people believe "nope, we need the government to step in". That's bad enough but then you realize that government intervention (assuming the laws are even successful which, big fucking assumption) would prevent EVERYONE from being tracked, when some people genuinely don't care. Hell, sometimes personalized ads are genuinely super helpful! I have family members who explicitly do not care about their privacy if it makes their life better. I don't agree with that choice, but it's THEIR privacy, not mine, if convenience is the price they set for it then it's their's to sell. It's a choice the individual ought to make, and if you've been convinced it's a choice you can't make, that's just not right. In short, these were paragraphs of examples and arguments to just say, no, that is not why these movies underperform. The simple reality is that most people don't buy what is being sold, most people don't LIKE the narrative that your race, sex, etc. matters. And, while it is possible to convince them, I don't personally believe that narrative is reality or healthy, nor has it been for probably decades now. We just flatly don't care, but, even if we don't care, we still very much do not like it when we can identify you're trying to make us care.
I only really heard about it from chud reactionaries bitching about gay people existing. I assumed that meant the movie was going to fail terribly in the ratings, which it did, but artificially so like always. That's why you never ever trust the user review scores, especially if it's "political".
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 I feel bad for the people who worked on the movie , not only Disney didn't advertise the movie at all but also got review bombed by shitty Chud and reactionary channels.
I went to see it with a couple friends and we really loved it. We were the only ones in the theatre, so we kept throwing theories at eachother throughout. Caught on to the “it’s a body” pretty early and had so much fun trying to guess what the creatures were from an anatomy view
@@alexarchivechannel6673 Based on how Saber's describing it, seems functionally closer to Osmosis Jones and narratively closer to BIONICLE. Anatomy Park didn't take that concept near as far as those two
2:08 just a reminder. Freddie wasn't gay. He was bi. Bi representation has always been a struggle to maintain. 3:26 I thought you were going to tell us not to forget that the Little Mermaid was written as a love letter by Hans Christian Anderson to Edvard Collin. Anderson, upon hearing of Collin's engagement to a young woman, proclaimed his love to him. He told him, "I long for you as though you were a beautiful Calabrian girl." Edvard turned Anderson down, disgusted. Anderson then wrote The Little Mermaid as to symbolize his inability to have Collin just as a mermaid cannot be with a human. He sent it to Collin in 1936 and it goes down in history as one of the most profound love letters ever written.
I remember being mesmerized by the first trailer I was able to see for this film. It looks like a really fun film and I’m really upset that the marketing and more concerning enough, Disney themselves screwing over this film. It’s uncool. Also thanks for the mention for the owl house man :,)
what I don't really like is how the generational thing can have villains, like, it's not because someone is your grandma that they aren't a pos, as I see time and time again, sometimes people are just bad because they want to, and sometimes your mother or other relative is this person, also how the conflict aways solves in "you tried to kill me, but it's ok, you are family after all" can be kinda hurtful, people have this mindset of it being family, so they know better, even if they will never suport you! Also cool disney plot for them to make into a movie: mc lives in a bad family, runs away, family goes after them, but sees how hurtful they were and how sometimes it will never work, mc then finds the real family they deserve. BOOM generational drama with villains
I think that Disney is still afraid of this "it's A-OK to cut our fam out of it" bc they don't think it's a wholesome feel-good story...and they probably think it wouldn't be too kid friendly. Tho that's not really true bc Matilida is a classic, it's a 'kid's' film and in the end the MC chooses to be adopted out of her toxic family and live with her kindly teacher. and kids watch it and it didn't the idea of more traditional family nor did it end the world...
@@ninavale. Yes! Fucking hell finally somebody with common sense, you are very correct with the whole "but they're family" problem. Indeed Disney is too scared to give a message like that to their audience simply for two reasons. Either they don't know how to portray it in a way that won't get the media angry, since we live in a world that easily gets offended of course it would worry Disney if they can't make a buck out of it. Or simply and sadly, Disney is losing its magic. Yup Disney is out of ideas, or they just don't want to risk making other different stories because it is easier, to milk another franchise to death. At the end of the day, it's all an exchange. You give me money, I give you entertainment. In Disney's case, they don't care if the entertainment is good or bad anymore. As I said. Disney has lost its magic.
@@ariramirez2065 it became even more apparent when they started those LA remakes and tried to rationalize/explain every single damn thing BC they saw so e fan forums and blogs doing...well fandom stuff and speculating on some story details. Like idk WHY (else) do we have a magic memory book in Beauty and the Best to tell us Belle's mom died of pluage or whatever . Like we knew she was dead cuz she wasn't there and it's Disney. We didn't need a rigging padding scene of her and Maurice talking as she is dying. And SOME of those damn answers or changes make the story and characters worse. I mean the whole POINT of Belle not knowing beast was prince was for her to make a genuine connection with him. To like him on his own merits as a person. If she knows the curse and that-in new version- the staff which are people turned objects will pretty much DIE makes it more of a responsibility for her to fall in love. BC people will die. And also when Beast makes her go it actually makes him more selfish. In the animated version there is no mention that staff will just turn to normal objects. All will stay the same and beast will lose his humanity forever and will be a monster forever. LA? He knows they will all die and seemingly doesn't care. And Gaston do we NEED an additional exploration he is a hunter cuz war PTSD? can't be just be regular asshole like in the original? People who never have been to war hunt as well. And well..I don't think I even have to bring up anything about lion king....and the fact they cut out Be Prepared
I think another reason why this movie wasn't marketed much, and didn't do well at the box office, was because of Bob Chapek's stance on "animation is for kids", hence why Disney's been more focused on the live action properties. Hearing him say that made me so angry that when he was kicked out and replaced by the returning Bob Iger, I felt relieved to some extent, but not to the point of hoping that Disney will immediately make a comeback. Things just aren't going well.
Though to be fair, a lot of flack Disney had been getting into recently, like the political/sociopolitical/playing both aisle crap, was because of Iger. So I personally wouldn't get high hopes Iger would turn it around
WTF, why us he even in charge when he doesnt even know how mature disney movie are. and i think the remaks are, not as. Also he needs to watch xavier renegarde angel. peter pan aside thats a pretty dark charactr originally, why! Also i am angry he didnt remake hunchbag from notredam, the argumently easiet to do and most reasy to liveaction movie! Even the most neutered version would actually do some good messaging about relevant topics. Frollo cough cough, Thats the live action i want!
I think this is more of a case of "you try to please everyone and end up pleasing no one." Disney makes their movies based on demographics and algorithms, there are pictures of writer's room whiteboards where there are lists of things that have to go into their product in order to try to appeal to a wide audience, and at the same time, they have a list of diversity bullet points that also have to get crammed in there. Result: this waste of space (pun intended).
I agree with the thing about a lack of Disney Villains. It seems like a lot of animated movies and shows are backing away from straight up villains. I wonder if it's related to the weird idea people have developed that liking villains automatically means you agree with their actions.
That is actually a very good question when I saw the title. I only remember seeing the teaser trailer, and then months have passed and I haven't heard a single thing about it until last month I think, but there was barely anything else related to it besides just a few commercials that appear here and there. I also remember when the mario movie trailer was released, a few days later my animation teacher brings up how a lot of people seem to talk about the mario movie rather than strange world which was pretty interesting
@@KgEclispe252 I mean I haven't seen strange world yet and the mario movie after watching both trailers looks so damn good that I wished it was released now, I would get this reaction
So much like Atlantis, Treasure Planet, The Black Cauldron, and Lightyear this will forever be remembered as one of Disney's biggest bombs, but may grow an audience overtime. Also, if your name is Bob I guess you're likely to be a Disney CEO lol.
Saw Black Cauldron for the first time this year. It was actually way worse than I thought. Laughably bad. Atlantis was alright, Treasure Planet was good, Lightyear was passable. I just don't get why people like Black Cauldron, though it is visually well done, I'll give it that credit.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 I haven't really seen black Cauldron although I have seen Nostalgia Critic review of it lol. The voice acting from John Hurt and visuals look good.
I would love to have seen the unedited version of Black Caldron. I just saw a video yesterday talking about the movie and how like 15mins of the film was cut by the new CEO himself to tone down the movie and other such shenanigans.
My favourite part is then the character says "Oh no! What a Strange World!" but then Doctor Stephen Strange opens a portal, shows up and yells "Not as strange as me!". Maybe the real "Strange World Sabotage" was the friends we made along the way.
the thing that annoys me most with the generational trauma movies is that the traumatized kids always make up with their parents in the end. make the parents really villains for once! let the kid not forgive the parent and not be shamed for it!
I litterally just went to see this film today with my best friend, and i really enjoyed it, it was nice for disney to do a story about fathers and sons as its not very common in disney films anymore. Also Legend, the dog is brilliant as hes just a good boi with no thoughts going on
You know, I was thinking the whole time while Saber was speaking about how the "family therapy" angle is overplayed that, "Hey, it focuses almost entirely on three male characters though. When's the last time Disney has given us a movie about fatherhood and boyhood?" I think that actually is very noteworthy and commendable. It's rare to find mainstream films about fatherhood at all these days, and back in the day films about fatherhood tended to all focus on men being macho and how that's either good or bad (depending on the filmmaker).
Honestly, yeah, I think a movie like that would be very interesting.. .the thing is the movie seems to try to hit you with SO MANY different messages that they all overlapped each other in a way where I couldn’t even focus on the father and son and grandson relationship, I thought it was gonna be one of the main things but so many things where happening that I feel like it got really overshadowed and ended in an unsatisfactory way.
Saw it with my boyfriend when it came out by chance. We both didn't see any advertisements prior. We both liked the film. It's a straight forward exploring adventure story with some fun characters. Will admit the generational trauma is getting old very quickly with so many disney owned films being released back to back. The generational trauma is most likely a coincidence since it takes years to produce animated films, but it is getting exhausting. Besides incredible visuals and some good diversity strange world doesn't have much going for it being unique.
Honestly, I'd love to see a strong family struggling due to other problems, that would be something I'd really relate to. I grew up with a lot of difficulties due to circumstances out of anyone's control, and the support of my friends and family kept me going.
I've seen the commercials and tbh it didn't look that appealing. Like a solid 5 on a 1-10 scale. It's cool that people are feeling it's a 7 but I think I am just going to wait til they dump it on D+ since Disney isn't pushing it. I expect it's likely going to be a quick turnaround.
8:54 thank you! i've said this many, many times! i'm tired of this big lack of a true villain in disney movies(and not only on disney)....the "villain" nowadays is just something intangible like conflict/miscomunications etc etc, it's just....boring...in some movies, the only thing that keeps my attention up, are the visuals, because the story, even if a bit different, almost always ends up in the same way...(acceptance and...whatever...)
@@valentinkambushev4968 aaaaah, just watched the movie few weeks ago, couldn't agree more,loved that big pink bastard, sure death was top tier, but jack was definitely best villain of the year( and probably of the past years).
We deserved a better movie. I was going to watch it until the reviews starting coming out and the trailer itself the plot was so been their seen that before I decided it wasn't worth seeing in theaters.
Never saw an ad for Encanto until it came to Disney plus. On the other side, I’ve seen relentless adds for Strange World up until a week or two ago. I’m shocked that most people didn’t experience this too and never saw an ad or substantial adds for it
I came here to say almost this exact comment. I never saw a thing for Encanto yet it boomed into a classic. I saw countless UA-cam and pop up ads for strange world and it just didn’t look appealing to me.
It was the opposite for me, maybe it depends on the region? I saw ads for encanto way before the movie was released. But yet at most saw one teaser for Strange World.
I honestly think the changes to how they tell stories is what’s killing Disney. Not only removing villains from their recent films and replacing it with emotional plot lines that often times are hot or miss, but also the fact that they change how they tell their story for their remakes. Although are more progressive, but they also remove any development the characters went through, the lost boys becoming closer to Wendy, the soldiers learning the value of Mulan, and Pinnochio learning what it means to be a real boy is all gone for the sake of being more progressive and not allowing characters to improve!
I never had an interest in this movie, but it's sad seeing how it's doing in the box office. The creators behind it seemed really passionate, so it's a shame the budget was so small. Definitely gonna give it a watch if it comes to Disney+.
Speaking about the whole thing with Hollywood using A-list celebs instead of professional voice actors started with Disney’s own Aladdin. Robin Williams knew this was going to happen and was reluctant to do the film because of how Disney wanted to use his name recognition for advertising. He eventually did as we all know and Genie is great, because Robin is just that good at character acting and comedy, but as he feared it paved the way for Hollywood now, hiring big names regardless of if they’re fit for the role or not.
Lady and the tramp had Peggy Lee voice the Siamese cats, Darling, and Peg. This trend has been around a lot longer than Aladdin but Aladdin is the mode notable example.
Here's the thing, other Disney "flops" like Princess and the Frog, Atlantis or Treasure Planet gained a cult following after the fact but, I'm not sure if Strange World is unique enough for that. It's a unique concept for sure but it looks exactly like any other movie, that's the problem with 3D animation.
@@INRamos13 And Osmosis Jones did it before Rick and Morty, and BIONICLE did it before Osmosis Jones. Its a fun trope, not surprised it keeps getting revisited.
The issue is not 3d animation as shown with the endless variations of 3d models in games. Nor is it an issue of the animation being similar to other movies given how 2d animated movies of the same style still garner attention. The issue is that for a movie to get cult recognition they need the right combination of good story with good animation. This is why *Meet the Robinsons* and *Frozen* got so big. Both are 3D animation, both are about siblings getting closer together, but the way they handle the themes are incredibly different from normal. If you notice every single one of those "box office bombs" failed because they didn't fit the "disney look" that kids and parents want. But they all unique pieces of media that handle their relevant stories in ways that not other movie or show has done them in.
Ethan being gay being possibly the cause of backlash is exactly why I kept telling my friends when Frozen II was first announced that Disney would NEVER make Elsa gay. They’d never risk it. My initial reaction of Ethan being gay was “Oh! Noted” than continued watching the film. Anyone else have the same or similar reaction?
I think the animation department in general is being betrayed/sabotaged by disney. Their advertising for it really is horrible. Looking back, Even Encanto had little publicity or ads surrounding it. When Iwent to see it last year, there was hardly anyone in the theatre. Everything is Marvel, Star Wars, or Remakes. It's unfortunate.
Not just Disney. A lot of big corporates are dumping animation, and probably telling everyone to “grow up” because “animation is for kids”. Guys, what is your definition of “growing up”? Becoming lifeless “robots” who only cares about money, and to take away any signs of life within children? Are you actually just a heartless in a human husk?
I'm really glad that you bring up del Toro's Pinocchio, because I went to see it in theatres with my dad, and I ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT! There's a couple of Seraphs, a few musical numbers, a lot of Nazis, and Ewan McGregor! It's visually stunning and a very good father-son film (not in the way of "it's a movie that fathers will commonly watch with their sons", in the way of "it's a movie with a lot of father-son dynamics").
Honestly I don’t get how romance between two same sex characters is considered sexual when it’s literally just the same if not less intense than other opposite sex characters in other kids films.
I think it's a combination of things. Not only was it poor marketing but it's people simply not caring. the ads themselves are vague and mostly focus on that splat character. I bet it looked very uninteresting to many, therefore they ignored it. ALSO it releases on D+ on Christmas so I think many thought to themselves "why see this in theaters when I can watch it at home next month?"
I remember that before streaming a lot of people would not go to the theater because a few months later the movie would be released on TV and they can just watch it there for "free".
Maybe it’s just me but most of the time, audiences aren’t interested when Disney does animated action based films and prefer the fairly tale/cultural films that they produce
Not to mention films like treasure planet Atlantis and some of their cult classic Saturday morning block included gargoyles a action themed series or dark wing duck
I knew it… When my friend mentioned that there was no marketing for this movie, I immediately told him: There’s definitely gay characters in it, or like ‘’controversial’’ topics, like Turning Red (which I loved) He then saw the movie and told me: you were absolutely right (he liked it though)
Star vs. the forces of evil, Steven Universe, The Mitchells vs. the Machines and Zootopia all had gay characters and/or controversial topics, and they weren't flops.
@Phantomphan613 So? The fact remains the shows, and the movies were both profitable and well received by viewers. Whereas Lightyear and Strange World were flops and poorly received. My point is that if the show is good, mainstream audiences will have no issues with lgtb characters. Alucard and Constantine being bisexual didn't hurt Castlevania or Justice League Dark. Vi and Kat's relationship didn't hurt Arcane. And If you want to go way back, Willow being gay didn't hurt Buffy.
i literally wouldve never known about Strange World if i didnt work in a movie theatre. i never, EVER saw a commercial on TV or as an ad via YT. when i first saw the digital poster in my theatre, i was confused yet pleasantly surprised Disney has been working on something other than MCU movies, Avatar 2 and Disney+ exclusives like Turning Red. every time guests would come into the movie theatre, they always ask "What movie is that?" which baffled me because it's almost unheard of to not know of a new Disney movie! it was around then i realized Disney was likely giving Strange World the Treasure Planet treatment: condemning it to advertisement limbo. when i heard one of the characters, Ethan, was a gay teenager and how the movie, supposedly, presents him as being completely open and honest about his sexuality and it's normalized that everything is going well for Ethan in that department (idk how true that is, i didnt get to see it myself), i immediately went "Oh, THATS why it's being brushed under the rug". yea in the US seeing LGBTQ+ content is smiled upon (and oftentimes forced into movies when no inkling of it is even there, but i digress), but internationally, yea, it unfortunately wont do well since gay marriage is still illegal or even a death sentence in certain foreign countries so those countries tend to ban movies about such topics. it's a pity that Disney feels the need to hide some of their works out of fear of losing money, because w/ Strange World ive heard from the very few guests that left the theatre after viewing it saying it was a pretty ok, cute and fun movie. the producers behind Strange World seems to have made themselves a decent, compentent movie, but just because of the minor LGBTQ+ content in it theyre like "No no no, we CANNOT broadcast and advertise THIS!" hopefully itll get a better run on Disney+ whenever it's released on there
Something that took me (and my family) out of movie is when devil got killed. Devil was the pilot of the aircraft where the main characters were on. When they were getting attacked by the bird creatures, one breaks the glass, wraps it tongue around Devil’s neck and dragged him out. And the characters didn’t acknowledge it, he was never mentioned again. But a unscreen death really shocked me since that isn’t really normal in a modern kids movie
I find it interesting how different the advertising is from country to country because here in Germany there were a couple weeks where every second to third UA-cam ad the trailer for Strange World played. It played so often that after a couple days I was completely fed up with the movie and later even aggravated whenever it played. To think that there was little to no advertising in the US for this but a ton here in Germany is really strange. Interestingly enough I think i haven't seen a the Mario movie trailer a single time as a UA-cam advert even though it's such a big franchise.
Update Just after writing this the first advert I got on my next video was for the Mario movie guess someone at youtube HQ read my comment and pulled some levers.
I live in the US and have also seen more trailers for Strange World than the Mario Movie But the Mario Movie trailers were definitely much better received
@@drawingdragon this! The only Mario movie stuff i have seen has been viral, no "ads" yet, meanwhile strange world i got it at UA-cam, Twitter, Instagram....
I have a feeling part of why they didn't market it much was so they could say "We have LGBTQIA representation! Look how inclusive and NOT homophobic we are! So you'll look past the shady things we're doing, right? :)"
Exactly, and that's part of the reason I left the theatre disliking the movie. I'm a sapphic Latina, but I hate when companies clearly DO NOT CARE and throw in whatever is "trendy" for the audiences. 1. Gay main character 2. Interracial marriage 3. Disabled dog 4. Generational trauma 5. Most characters are black or dark skinned 6. Climate change plot These aren't bad on their own, but being all together like this makes it abundantly clear Disney is desperate for approval and wanted to throw the majority of progressive stuff they could in there
I also think they may have shafted the marketing BECAUSE it was a gay character and Disney sabotages their own gay properties. Like a way to say "see, we DID give you a feature film with a gay lead, and look how much money it lost! Gay characters are not profitable" When they didn't even market it
@@zohabaig6426 one thing i give credit for is at least they werent slimy about and say hey we just removed one peice so we can market to china or other countries
Strange World was in production and pretty much finalised in terms of strategy before Chapek even stepped in. This was Iger's production. Chapek was just the fall guy
@@reallionsden Not really. Chapek said aloud that he thought animated films were just for kids. Why do you feel that under his tenure, he focused more on live-action stuff than animated movies? Animated films under Chapek failed because they either were sent straight to Disney+ or received poor marketing compared to the live-action films. Strange World has Bob Chapek all over it.
I am curious if they didn't want to advertise the movie because of the challenge it could bring to Black Panther: Wakanda Forever and maybe Avatar: The Way of Water as another factor as to why Disney didn't put more money into advertising?
One thing I notice is that even with some people that I know who knew about the film’s existence, many didn’t find the story interesting. I feel like the premise wasn’t too interesting for people to look at and after how my family was emotional over 'Encanto', the general audience prefers the fairly tale/culture style movies that Disney makes.
All I saw as premise was "this character is part of this demographic". That's what they advertised. And that's how you destroy anything. Make identity a focus.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejodude they didn’t even advertise that! The only clips on UA-cam were generic action parts of the movie and some quips, nothing else. This is definitely a treasure planet situation.
This. Nobody I know in person or online seems interested in the movie. Frankly the movie looked incredibly generic. I didn't even know it was made by Disney. I figured it was some direct to video Disney knock off.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo disney wasn't advertising that. its what all the journalists thought would bring clicks to their website, and what can i say it worked
I believe the reason Strange world wasn’t cancelled was because it was basically finished and set for a release date when Buzz light year released but then when Disney saw how much damage and controversy Buzz lightyear brought because of only 1 kiss scene it freaked them out for the future of Strange world but because the movie was already almost finished and due in only a few months and they already spent the money on it they probably decided the best thing they could do was to try and let this movie slip quietly under the rug and didn’t start properly advertising it until a few days after it’s release they were probably hoping to save anymore themselves from anymore backlash from parents as this year has really only been backlash from every movie such as turning red, buzz lightyear and now strange worlds it’s been rough for Disney
Ya ask me, it's got a lot more to do with thier finances which are quite frankly horrendous. Worse than before Eisner stepped in level bad. $4 billion lost just on Disney+ in 2022 level bad. None of thier movies making a single penny level bad. With thier ridiculous loss in 2022, I'm not surprised they gave the movie that isn't attached to an IP a pathetic budget. This was just a contract fulfiller and nothing else. They published it because they contractually had to but otherwise gave no shits.
How can Disney sabotage one of their OWN Properties? They technically own the rights to Strange World and the other Shows and Movies they worked on for years.
@@fallen_vague28 Which wouldn't have been an issue if it would have been implied and left at that. It's a children's movie, we don't need to know who fucks what.
I do think it was just too fast in some places- but I liked it too, I haven’t even seen anyone actually say anything about it, just around it. But I thought the gay character itself was cute with his crush; I think the movie is creative and I’m kind of a sucker of big and weird animals, especially that towards ending
It’s one of the most unique and interesting worlds I’ve seen in a while. A living world that turns out to be the innards of a giant creature mashed with futuristic steampunk technology is like, soo cool!!
Veryyyy boring cartoon. The most boring cartoon in the history of mankind. Empty uninteresting characters with strange annoying behavior and the most stupid and strange dialogues.
I think another issue that wasn't mentioned was how Strange World released on a Wednesday. The middle of the school/work week, and not on what would have been one of the busiest Fridays of the year.
hey saberspark, speaking of disney sabotaging their movies and shows, it would be really cool if u looked into that with 101 dalmatian street! it’s highly underrated due to disney not giving it any recognition at all, and i think it should be brought back to the surface.
Generally, bad marketing can kill even the most interesting movie. Considering what the company has done in the past with movies like Treasure Planet and Atlantis, it wouldn't surprise me if they did it on purpose, especially now when the company has so many billions that a flop or two won't harm it.
The way SS shows his frustrations towards Disney not doing villains anymore is something I always think, like STOP MAKING NON PHYSICAL THINGS “VILLAINS”! WE WANT PHYSICAL VILLAINS!!!!!
@@kamikeserpentail3778 I’m not being cowardly about it. You’re right, movies like Encanto worked with Turning Red kind of working, but it be nice to have that traditional villain again at some point. Remember what villains used to be like in Disney? They were great (most of them anyways). So it be nice to go back to that again and see if Disney could still do villains like that
I actually really enjoyed it, I think the world building and character/creature designs were so good and you could tell a lot of love had gone into it. Such a travesty that a solid film like this went under the radar due to Disney trying to have its cake and eat it too. “Oh look see, we are progressive! We did it one time! But see it flopped, so it’s not profitable/what audiences actually want, so I guess we won’t make any more” 🤷♀️
Kids totally understand same sex. When my daughter was 3 she had a friend with 2 dads and just accepted and understood that all families are awesome and different.
The whole "no villains" thing only worked in Encanto so far lol. Which makes sense cause the theme is basically FAMILY through and through. And recent Pixar movies also did well with "no villains" Edit : oh yeah i cant watch this yet, im in indonesia lol
I think we have to watch this on alternative sources in Indonesia, if Lightyear doesntmake through our censor agency, I don't think this will. But all in all, from what I hear, this is not something you'll miss if you don't see it.
@@DrFlagShipKingBeard oh yeah i forgot about that HAHAHA. Everything about Coco was good except Ernesto! 🤣🤣 I was thinking of Luca, Soul and Turning Red! All three movies had no real villain. (I don't count the square guy from Soul as a villain because he was just doing his job lol i love him)
I fortunately had a chance to watch Pinocchio in theater in my country. I was shocked because I was expecting only Netflix release, but sometimes they do theatrical release here too. But I didn't expect Netflix movie would be in theater, so I legit rushed to the theater and watched it right away with my mom. And I have to say, you're not ready for this film. It's the best animated film I've ever watched this year. Storytelling is so good that it instantly makes you forget about that awful remake Disney made. No, it's a SIN to even compare to that. The story is much more for adults, quite dark,but also light hearted moments here and there you're gonna love it I gurantee. It reminded me of Hayao Miyazaki's stroytelling, the message and HOW he delivered that message felt similar in a way. I can't quite explain, but it just feels like it.
I can only hope that whenever this movie gets on Disney +, it will gain more viewers and fans for it. I mean I remember that Encanto came out around on Thanksgiving. While I went to go see it in theaters, there wasn’t much attention to it until it came to Disney + around 24th I believe? Then it got popular, so I can only hope the same will go to Strange World when it does.
That could definitely happen, Encanto also barely made an impact at first until it came out on Disney+. For me I wonder if the reason why these films don't make as much of an impact is that Disney waits a long time before announcing them. I don't think I knew Encanto was coming until I saw the trailers right as it was about to release. But Encanto had the songs to help get it popular at least so Strange World might not be as lucky.
I kinda doubt it because Encanto had a more interesting setting, theme and character designs, this movie seems to be too mundane by comparison. Plus it might be just me but Strange world seems to have a more toned down color and lighting, which will probably turn down potential artists (let's face it artists are partially responsible for Encanto's success).
Encanto took off because of the songs. Kids wanted their parents to play it over and over to listen to Bruno and other songs. What in Strange World will make kids scream to their parents to play over and over.
@@ДмитроДорофеєв I definitely agree about the character design and probably the theme idk I haven't seen Strange World yet but the setting of Encanto was a house IDK how you could do much better than alien planet with strange biology in terms of interesting settings.
My heart goes out to the team who poured so many hours working on this film just for disney to screw over the marketing as well as people boiling the film down to "another woke film to push the gay agenda." I havent seen it yet but I do plan on watching it because it just looks fun tbh
The movie had a poor test screening and instead of fixing it up, they decided to not put much more money into something they knew would flop due to Word of Mouth. It's technically sabotage, but the smart kind.
You absolutely can't convince me that Disney didn't want this movie to flop on purpose. It may seem strange that they would let themselves lose millions of dollars intentionally But they can now use this movie as an example whenever people ask or demand for more LGBTQ representation "But we tried to give you representation 🥺👉👈You wouldn't go see it." The scary thing though With this being such a similar situation to what happened with treasure planet, When they did what they did to treasure planet They were essentially trying to kill off the movie itself and their 2D animation studio If you consider everything that's been going on with the animation industry as a whole This could also be trying to feed into that narrative as well Two birds with one stone LGBTQ representation and the animation industry
But honestly. It's true. LGBTQ animation is a dangerous place to tread for many animation studios. You do lose a lot of money because of it since many countries don't support LGBTQ and will ban the movie from their countries. Already smashing into the loss of money. That and many people don't wish to take their kids to see it because they dont feel comfortable showing their young children such things. My parents have an 8 year old. They didn't want her to watch it because they didn't want her to know about LGBTQ until she was older. They felt it was forced into the movie to please everyone they could and it made them uncomfortable. Unfortunately, it's the world we live in. LGBTQ is still something very new to the world with being branded publicly. Only recently in the past 10 years has it really been brought to light. It's what killed the Buzz lightyear movie. People hated the Lesbian relationship in it because they werent comfortable showing their children at young ages and felt it was much too woke.
@@crimsongold6980 I never got that logic, they're fine with their kids watching something like the Hunchback of Notre dam, and Tarzan which ends with the villain getting hanged, or Princess and the Frog which ends with the villain being dragged of to Hell, but two dudes say they love each other and suddenly its bad and corruptive. Its always the parents projecting their own fears on to their kids, they're scared of gay people so they want their children to be the same. I saw someone say that even if God came down and told them that it was okay, they would still be against it and argue. Hateful ideologies sure are a hell of a drug, it encourages people to focus more on differences rather than similarities, always something I've been against, regardless of political standing. If people, as kids, found out they were gay during the Hay's code, I doubt sheltering them from the fact it exists is gonna change anything, it'll only make them see it as proof of brokenness, something that makes them or others impure and disgusting, if they were gonna be gay, they'd still be gay, just now they're gay and hate themselves for it, no child deserves that. Its just another example of parents accidentally harming kids in their attempts to 'protect them from evil'. Funny enough, it reminds me of those against Rock and Roll and Pokemon, they said the same about those things corrupting the youth, it comforts me in a way when I realize that homophobes sound just like those people.
A teacher was basically fired for this! Kids were interrogated on this event! This movie was their personal "I was at school when 911 happened" moment, that is what they'll remember. Then they will grow up looking back and see that all that happened because two guys hugged at the end. Come on...
Honestly, I love original ideas and stories rather than remakes. I will never spend money on remakes and I instead spent it on this movie. I don’t ever regret it 😊 I actually love it
When i first saw the trailer i thought it looked okay. But then the nonstop woke articles praising it for having a gay character, non binary character, less white people characters, etc. was nauseating. Personally idc if a movie has these tropes but when its celebrated and pushed is where i dont want to support it.
@@Pyramanager I never read articles because of that reason. When I saw the trailers, I recognized that it was an original idea without knowing what the story actually was. I spent money on it anyway
@@Pyramanager If you find praise for LGBTQ characters "nauseating" you are the problem. You're not "neutral". You're just pretending to be to avoid painting yourself as the bad guy, but the problem is in you.
@@selkiefluff I am neutral . You dont need to praise eery time a gay, trans, poc, etc. is in something. If a character is one of those then cool, but when theyre constantly pushing it in your face and saying if you dont watch/buy their product , then youre a bad person. The original Mulan, Aladdin, princess and frog, etc. movies are amazing and loved by everyone . They didnt shove it in peoples faces "Look a poc character! Watch it or youre racist!". The problem is people like you that label anybody against you as an ist or phobe
Who actually remembers the time, when Disney brought one(!) new movie out each year and it was a huge success? Even more, you were looking forward to it with all this excitement: oooh, a new Disney movie at the end of the year! I need to see it! … what has Disney turned into 🥺
One Movie could carry on for years back in those days. Now they have so many movies that it all feels like Movies are being fleshed out so fast they are not as memorable anymore.
You also gotta keep in mind, there weren't as many perpetually angry minded influencers back then putting everything under a microscope to sway people's minds in not seeing it because in their eyes, straying from the norm is "Woke" therefore bad in their eyes. That said, the movie looks charming but anything that doesn't have a princess hook or an airheaded popstar to creep on immediately gets sabatoged by marketing because while many WANT change and something fresh, there are others who see any change is bad in turn we get the same formula over and over again which can lead to heavy burnout. I'm still salty Treasure Planet got done dirty by the marketing team [though was a hella good movie that now has a sizeable cult following] and hate that they sabotage the sci fi genre.
Mark Elliot, ❤❤❤❤❤❤ my day program sis Lisa was just talking about this! Even Mario is starting to look better than the average Mouse House movie! No wonder Burton left them…
I want to see this. Sadly the local theater closed in 2019. I have a theory that Disney's movies that aren't musicals are never really marketed right. Zootopia was a success because of its message and Big Hero 6 is Marvel adjacent. Disney does have a problem with releasing a movie theatrically and then people deciding I'll wait for it to come to streaming.
My dad and I saw this in theaters just a few days ago. We both had a really good time, and my dad even started to tear up a bit. I truly hate that Disney hasn't promoted this movie harder, cuz while not a masterpiece, it's a really fun story with alot of heart.
It would still flop buddy. Just because two leftist enjoyed the movie, doesn't mean the majority of the world wouldn't. Lightyear was promoted, and guess what it flopped hard
@@jared.mohammed This movie IS A MESSAGE. the first thing I heard about this movie is "it has the first gay Main character" lmao get outta here. And please don't try the touch grass joke with me, I work mon-fri
@@TropicaIJay Where did you get "leftists" from? My dad is a republican, and I myself am somewhere in the middle. Not that it should even matter, since the movie wasn't a political story anyway. Am I missing something?
Wasn't by any means a horrible film I loved the sci Fi feel to it but we also coulda gone without it. Let's not forget they actually killed a guy off to in the movie which isn't unusual but it was also kinda random 🤣😱
I generally enjoyed this movie and really enjoyed the scene where the grandfather was told by the grandson he has a boy he likes and is naturally like "Well this is how you impress the fella" that kinda immediate and natural acceptance and the grandson being able to say it openly other than being shy about admitting he has a crush. That scene was so sweet and cute that I now fantasize that that was how it was like for me.
I went to see it with my mom, since she was really interested in the visual side of it from the one and only ad we saw of it months ago. And I think you're right, it's a decent movie. It's pretty cute, the world is nice to look at and we had fun watching it. The lack of advetisment definetly seems purpousfull.
You know, now that you mention it, I actually have seen a lot of marketing for this movie, but it's all been at the theaters before other Disney properties. I swear they've been running ads for at least a year. To the point where I saw it before Wakanda Forever and thought "Why are they still showing trailers for a movie that must already be out of theaters"
If Treasure Planet was the movie that confirmed that Disney's first renaissance of the 90s was long gone, then Strange World represent another dissapointing movie, possibly marking the end of Disney's second renaissance of the 2010s
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I'm Fine
A lot of people didn't want to watch it
It's worse than a bad movie. At least you can laugh at a bad or stupid movie, a so-called guilty pleasure. But this movie is just such a bore. I saw quite a lot of trailers and every single one of them didn't grab me.
- Generic lines that can be from any adventure movie ever. ''I've never seen anything like it!'' ''Didn't see that coming!'' ''We are way over our heads.''
- The ''so random'' humor is just stale and overused.
- Character A says something hopeful, inspiring, or reassuring. Character B asks ''Really?'' and character A answers ''No.''
- Somebody dying is treated as a joke, so now I don't care whether anybody leaves or dies, and any scene trying to do an emotional fake or real death scene will be hollow.
Even though the animation is great the design of the characters, creatures, and the world is just so boring and lacks any detail. These creatures are just blobs and simple shapes. It would've looked better in 2D.
This movie's most outrageous problem is its theme of family and forgiveness. If you were one of the people that wouldn't forgive the grandma from Encanto or the mother from Turning Red you will hate the grandpa from the Strange World. He abandoned his teenage son and wife for 25 years. He missed his son's wedding, him starting his own farm, the birth of his first grandchild, and all 16 years of his life. He even said that if he wasn't trapped he still wouldn't have come back. What a terrible father! There's even a throwaway line about how his wife moved on and married another man. You would think it will be a huge deal but we never even get to see these two characters, they're presumably already dead anyway so we'll never get to see them interact in any possible sequel, show, or comics. Also, the environmental message this movie presents is suicidal. Let's stop using energy sources which our whole economy is based on without any alternatives in sight. It was written by an idiot before the inflation.
UGGHHHHHH WHEN IS ABUNAI SISTERS REVEIWWWWWWWWW
@Saberspark - This is basically the 2022 variant
of the 2005 animated film flop: Chicken Little.
You know the movies marketing is bad when you have to actually QUESTION if the movie was sabotaged
I'm actually in the theater waiting for the show to start in 20 minutes, be back in an hour and a halfish to tell you my thoughts.
@@THE-TRUE-Doi Hope its a decent watch!
@@THE-TRUE-Doi I'll put my comment so I'm curious
When the marketing was just "See this character? He was written with politics of current year in mind!" It is obvious the marketing is bad. And the film itself isn't good either.
Maybe they want a huge tax write-off by saying half of the things they are releasing are under perfoming or outright flopping
The Treasure Planet story is still heartbreaking to this day, they did that film so dirty.
I love that film so much
It was realy great
if they ever reshow it in theaters we pull a gentle minions trend
Look, I watched "Treasure Planet". It looks pretty, and that's it. It's NOT a good story.
@don't be surprised Here the clip to go with that lol. ua-cam.com/video/zIq__qsqlOA/v-deo.html
Not only Disney didn't advertise the film properly, they released it during the FIFA World Cup and in most countries where football soccer is popular most people are going to watch the matches instead of going to the movies. It feels like they wanted Strange World to fail on purpose
One thing I noticed is that the characters in the Neutral Spanish dub are voiced by professional dub voice actors, there're no celebrities voicing characters like in previous Disney dubs (except Frozen), this is actually great but it makes me wonder if Disney didn't even consider this movie important enough to hire some celebrities. Though I prefer animated films dubs to be done by professional voice actors so this was a good decision
If we want to conspiracy theorize, it could be argued that they *did* want it to fail so that they could go "aha! see! movies with gay characters will fail, so you should get off our backs about including representation! no one wants it!" but who knows
@@rewby23 honestly that's exactly what I thought.
@@rewby23 Not far off. Maybe add some executive business men spiting artist for the sole purpose of they wanting to preserve classic approach to entertainment movie for the audience instead of merchandising for the investors.
I've literally never seen an ad for this movie
@@rewby23 imo i think disney is trying way, wayy too hard with representation. it's very in-your-face and often feels forced and separate from the actual plot, just so it can grab a wider audience and push their virtue-signaling.
Technically the last Disney movie to have a true sentient villain was was Moana with Krakatoa but even then we don’t see him until a really good way into the movie.
i think you meant Tamatoa not Krakatoa lol
@@MercyTheSecond yeah him I haven’t seen the movie in years
Fucking krakatoa lmao
Ah yes Krakatoa the dancing crab, dancing so passionately he makes a volacano errupt lol
@@DecemberDaydreams "KRAKATOAAA!!!" Squidward as Dr. Magma
I'm glad you brought up the problem with lack of villains in recent Disney animated films. It really does seem like Disney is too afraid to make new villains for some reason and that is such a shame because they have made such fantastic villains in the past such as Hades, Scar, Jafar, Ursula, Maleficent etc.
I recently watched Wreck-It Ralph for the first time and I thought it had a pretty good Villain.
But what if someone sees themself in the villain & feels upset when the villain is not redeemed?
@@creaturetransylvania8943 I mean if someone sees themselves in a Disney villain like the ones I’ve mentioned that kind of sounds like that’s their problem tbh. Also not every villain is redeemed nor is deserving of it. That’s just the way it is. Some are just way too evil for it.
@@OdaNobunaga15 But why knowingly upset some people just because you wanna write a certain type of character?
@@creaturetransylvania8943 If someone gets upset other that oh well. If we have to start catering over other people’s feelings to this capacity than what’s even the point of writing fiction anymore. No offense but I just find this to be an odd mentality. I mean it’s not like fiction hasn’t been this way for hundreds of years.
@@OdaNobunaga15 I'm sure many say stories can be written without offending anyone.
The character designs seem too clash for me. The women look like your basic disney Frozen/Encanto style, while the men look like they could have come from the Hotel Transylvania cast. And the colors of the world, very Croods like. It's a bit of everything!
I actually thought that it was a Sony movie at first because I remembered that Genndy Tartakovsky had a similar sounding and looking movie in production
Edit: the movie is called "Can you imagine" don't know why I associated it with "Strange world"
I could tell straight away from the eyes.
your so right! I cant unsee it now.
I honestly thought that the main character looked like a recycled character model from Lightyear. Which probably also didn't help it's marketing because of how similar the two look.
Ikr?! This movie could pass as being from a different studio if I didn’t knew if it was Disney
"Come on Disney, Kingdom Hearts needs bosses!"
Hell yeah saber bringing up real problems in life.
@te.legrammeSaberSparkReviews I know this isn't real because saberspark hates my guts he'd never let me win anything. You're a scam
Real talk.
YES
There are still plenty of Disney movies with worlds KH4 can still utilize. 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea? Atlantis? Hocus Pocus? There are probably a bunch of other live-action films from Disney with worlds that could work.
There’s one world that’s missing from Kingdom Hearts is Bambi
I can safely say, even before I start watching this video, that yes. Disney sabotaged this movie by underadvertising it. When Disney decides to advertise anything here in Brazil, they scatter it everywhere, and very often, when there's still at least *1 year* until its release. I haven't seen a single ad about Strange World until a week prior, and the most I've seen as ads was one radio announcement and very, VERY few publicity clocks (they're these public digital clocks scattered around the city with a poster on top of it, they're very common around here.). Bonus: I live in frigging SÃO PAULO, the biggest METROPOLIS of the ENTIRE COUNTRY, ammounting to 49 million inhabitants and harboring the biggest PRIDE PARADE OF THE WORLD. They. Did. This. Movie. Dirty!
Oh, and let's not forget Disney does have a history with sabotaging or trying to dissociate from works they feel are going to anger the conservative masses (and by 'anger' I mean 'lose money from'). They did this with Treasure Planet, and before that, they did it with... guess... Nightmare Before Christmas. Touchstone Pictures was a subsidirary of Disney. They didn't want their name attached to it cuz they were sure there would be backlash from the more zealous side of the audience if they knew it was a Disney-endorsed product.
I mean moana did have tamatoa, he's the closest thing to a classical villain we got in recent years but he's ultimately just a minor obstacle rather than a true primary antagonist.
WELL TAMATOA HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THIS GLAM
*i was a drab little crab once*
@@OnlyMichaelJackson now I know I can be happy as a clam 🕺 because I'm beautiful baby 😍
@@leafylavenderlover9197 did your granny say, listen to your heart?💗 and who you are on the inside😶🌫
@@swayam7304 I need three words to tear argument apart
Your Granny lied
I’d rather be SHINY!!!!
Disney: "We don't make sci-fi, adventure-themed movies because nobody watches them."
Also Disney: *Purposely reduces amount of promotions*
Next thing you know, Disney will stop making these kinds of movies all-together just because of their own choices. 😔
That'll just open the door for someone else to try to make this kind of content without the constraints of being part of Disney (though still having to deal with Disney's passive strategies of stiffling/mitigating competition)
Makes me want to check out from Disney all together, especially when the foreign market offers animated films of a much higher caliber.
It’s Atlantis and Treasure Planet all over again. But somehow even worse
@@bearerofbadnews1375
Yup, unlike Atlantis The Lost Empire, and Treasure Planet which are both considered underrated masterpieces despite being box office bombs when they came out, Pixar’s Lightyear and Disney’s Strange World are also huge box office bombs, and they both sucked in comparison to Atlantis and Treasure Planet being great movies. Oof.
I mean we have had some big Sci Fi films that were a hit/gained attention. Wall-e and Tron are great examples and it has shown also how even if they market it, it'll bomb. Best example for that is John Carter.
Man the owl house and amphibia were some of the best shows I've seen in years, pity Disney had to maim it, lumnity is such a comfort ship, just an adorable wholesome couple, one that feels actually genuine, because it's not forced for the whole "I'm gay" personality character... Its crushing to see this happen to some of the few good shows... And inside job got cancelled after already getting a new season greenlight.
Raine and Eda also had such a great dynamic!
@@fonderaura2642 "YES"
@@joelrobinson5457 Was there another owl house ship you really enjoyed?
@@fonderaura2642 hunter and willow was a cute one
@@joelrobinson5457 yesss
I think I have to agree about the generational trauma trope starting to get old... It's a great concept and wasn't really done well for a while, but now it's been done repeatedly in just a few short years. I also 100% agree about the need to bring back true villains. Overly Sarcastic Productions here on youtube did a great piece about how not every villain needs to be relatable, or to have a sympathetic backstory/motivation (look up OSP Trope Talk: Pure Evil). True evil villains are fun, charismatic, memorable, and can be great for the story.
Generational trauma has replaced twist villains as the new Disney go-to cliche, it seems.
I agree. Not every villain has to be sympathetic. Sometimes people just want to see characters who are deliberately irredeemable
Sometimes you just gotta have a guy who's just straight up evil as the villain. No real motivation just doing a little bit of trolling
@@CoOlKyUbI96 Not me.
@@plate_fox Why?
One of the prerequisites for being a CEO at Disney, is that they must be named Bob. Very strict policy on that one.
@Secret at least learn the type of media you are trying to scam people about.. jesus... This is about a movie.
@@SWISS-1337 It's a spambot, not a real person. Report it until it gets blocked.
@@SwiftNimblefoot I know, but there will be algorithms and targeted videos, so if they actually want to scam people, at least try it properly. Or better yet, don't do that. And yes reported already
Bob Parr next? Or is he too old to carry Disney now?
That’s why they had to get rid of Michael Eisner.
Disney on social media: We love you homosexuals
Disney any other time: Get these fruits outa here.
I think it's more that they realized how the only color they need to appeal to is green.
@yes Naw
The discourse of this will always be a cancer because in the end, the corpo always wins and everyone who fights each other on woke or not and get on everyone's faces will lose.
Holy shit, the bots are sentient!
@@TheLugiaSong ok?
When Disney releases so many flops, people tend to tune out your products.
Lightyear, instead of basing it off the fun and campy Buzz Lightyear of Star Command series, decided to base it off Interstellar and it was boring.
Wreck It Ralph had potential to parody video games like Toy Story did with toys, but turned into a weird corpo circle jerk of product placement. It was a Disney version of the emoji movie.
You do realize that Wreck-It Ralph is beloved right? Same with Big hero 6, I don't remember people talking about it that much when it came out but apparently it's a classic now.
I thought Wreck It Ralph was a good movie. Nostalgic for the 80s and 90s kids, memorable characters, a simple story, some touching scenes and more. Although the sequel isn't really that good
@@zimberlyjr the sequel isnt even memorable, wtf even happened?
@@user-6-9-4-2-0No idea, its pretty bad both as a sequel and a standalone movie
I think you're confusing Wreck It Ralph with its sequel Ralph Breaks The Internet. That was the true Disney version of the emoji movie!
I went to see this movie on the second day and the theatre was empty besides me and my folks.
I'm pretty sure Disney is pulling another Treasure Planet with this one to move their family movies from cinema releases to straight to streaming.
That there was a trailer for another Disney family movie right before it which ended with "Only on Disney+" instead of "Only in theaters and on Disney+" pretty much confirmed our little conspiracy theory for me.
Treasure planet was good but this movie isn't good
@@spritemon98 What're you talking about? This movie is great 😄
Speaking of conspiracy theories, one floating around are saying Disney is hurting the film on purpose, so people will go see Black Panther and the new Avatar film to boost their box office. outside of that, I've been hearing the film is a little boring. And by little, I mean some have walked out of the film during the first 10-20 minutes or so.
@@TheDarkAngel969 🤷 My sister and I were engaged with it
My dad did fall asleep though
@@TheDarkAngel969 Surely not boring enough to walk out of. Not sure what kind of constant adrenaline rush they expected.
Most of the people I heard walking out were conservative parents who weren't ready to see gay relationships portrayed in their family movies.
I liked villain from Kung Fu Panda 2. This albino peacock was really good, tragic, with decent background, likable even but still did horrible things and he was obsessed with power. Just really good villain
And that peacock was voiced by a legendary Academy-award winning actor Gary Oldman, who's best known for playing Winston Churchill (which won him an Academy award), Commissioner Jim Gordon in Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, and Sirius Black in the Harry Potter franchise.
Yes. Lord Shen is a fantastic villain
@@ajpat9620 Also that one weird Dracula.
@@cryptbeast3222 It's known as Count Dracula that Gary Oldman portrayed (of which he looked unrecognizable due to that heavy load of makeup) in Bram Stoker's Dracula.
@@ajpat9620 I literally said he played Dracula. I don't understand this comment.
Seeing the difference between encanto and Strange world just hurts
@justice1046screw you
WHY IS EVERYONE A BOT HERe
And it doesn’t help how Encanto has a very powerful story, so much so that when I saw the film with my family last year, many of them cried and gave it a standing ovation
Encanto wasn't even that good of a story. So many things weren't addressed as they should've been or outright swept under the rug due to time restraints it pissed me off.
@@petnaby I disagree. Now this is from personal experience but while I’m born in NYC, my family was born in Ecuador and let me say that some of the stuff you see the characters going through in Encanto are very similar to what many Latinos face in their country and I feel that layer of storytelling is why this film touch the hearts of my family
As a parent a lot of folks overestimate kids
Literally just “some people like people of the same gender/sex and fall in love” is all my not even 7yo needed
I think the people who scream “my kids will be confused” are just inadequate parents who themselves can’t comprehend that other people may be different.
Homosexuals are indoctrinated. Nobody is truly LGBTQ.
Just say like person loves other person, idk what kids need else to understand
well movie flunked worldwide anyways because gay
@@Lulu_Gaming1025 As it should.
The family theme you mentioned at 8:33 makes sense. Strange World didn't look unique from what we've been getting. The creatures looked like they came from The Sea Beast. Turning Red and Encanto served the whole family therapy angle. Lightyear was a space exploration saga (kind of). The poor promotion didn't help.
Also the generational trauma them is getting stale I want good villains back
@@maninanikittycat4238 I think the last time we had a villain that's evil for the sake of being evil (their own twisted goals) was the first wreck it Ralph. Since then it really has been either no villain at all or a very sympathetic character that was pushed that way through no fault of their own.
@@BlaizeTheDragon i wonder what the hell happened?
@@BlaizeTheDragon wasn’t King Candy kind of a twist villain ?
@@sllawson6 yeah but one can argue that it was strongly hinted through the whole movie. Twist villains can work if the movie was set up properly for it.
I was really upset about how Disney treated this movie because I was super excited for its artistic differences from other Disney films. Some of my favorite background coloring just from the trailer
the fact that you gave a better explanation of what the movie is about than the entire advertising did...
@dontbesurprised. he took this from your mom
Love how a kids movies can show a man and a woman kiss with no issues yet people flip out when it's even vaguely implied that a character is attracted to the same sex.
@@s3v3n3 ok and? Showing kids same sex relationships isn’t going to ruin their lives
@@s3v3n3 so Tarzan can show a guy getting accidentally lynched by a vine and that's ok, but a gay character isn't? Grow up.
@@jialiu9618 if i go a film with my kid i dont want someone s agenda on it
Yeah because there's nothing wrong with kissing and other such displays of affection. And im not gonna say that same sex attraction isn't natural because it definitely is or that it's bad because it definitely isnt, but showing impressionable kids that kind of stuff isn't really a good idea. You know where I'm going with this. The new generations amount of gays and lesbians have significantly increased and I wonder what they've been watching...
@@DarkStallion101 There only appears to be more gay people around today because they are a lot more open about it now than they were back then. By this logic there should be no gay or straight couples in kids movies because it can turn a straight kid gay or a gay kid straight.
Here in Mexico (Were I'm from and live) there was already some theaters across the contry where Del Toro's Pinoccio was shown and I saw it, it's a beautiful story about parenthood, innocence and even dead. No joke, I cried in the first 10 minutes on the movie. I highly recommended, it's beautiful.
@Nоt RiскrоII 🅥 LMFAO
@@charlie_magne_103 Oh, don't fall for it, those are bots too-
Wait, it’s already out, or is that just in México?
@@MultiBoxingKid
Just beanland
@@MultiBoxingKid Just in Mexico, I believe
i have to say that the reason modern animated films focus so much on generational conflict is because that was a HUGE theme in a large majority of anime series and films in the 80s and 90s. The millenials who grew up watching that anime are now the ones in the animation industry. We were all heavily inspired by that Japanese media as kids/teens and now that we are experiencing generational trauma of our own in the west, those messages feel more pertinent now than ever. So I feel like its less that there is purposely less villains, and more that the ones making the movies now don’t view the world so black and white.
I was thinking of that too. In fact, that was kind of one reason anime was loved really because they would not just view the world as black & white unlike most American cartoons from the 70s, 80s & even some 90s ones(the 70s ones in particular were usually, well let's just say, either boring or garbage).
Also, I think we're just more open about generational trauma now.
Except the Japanese incorporate generational trauma way better and with unmatched, effortless subtlety.
@@Wired4Life2 Depends on what you watch, but Akazukin ChaCha definitely pulls it off better than this. It's not a bad movie, it's an okay movie, but the writing seems to have not been properly finalized.
Yes, you are correct, but from a narrative perspective we need an antagonist to push the story, depends on many factors of course. When talking about a slice-of-life movie it's quite different since it's a conflict with one's self. But in a sort of adventure movie, it would be interesting to see an antagonist with certain goals that crash with the protagonist. Or at least challenge their morals. Not to mention that most of the audience are kids (or at least it's directed towards kids) so writers need to be really good at their job to introduce these themes and ideas to kids in a manner that they would understand. I'm no expert really and definitely not good at arguments in a formal manner. But what I'm trying to say is that people need a reason to follow the story, they need to have a reason to care about these characters. The beauty of animation is that it's a format in which you can express what the character is feeling through overly exaggerated emotions. Even dream sequences can help in a story of self-conflict there are many examples in animated movies where it's an interior struggle. This is just my opinion, and I hope somebody can correct me or give me any insight into what they think/believe/etc.
Don't let this video upload distract you from the fact that Sabre is currently at Midwest Furfest.
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Wow, there are a bunch of bots here now.
I was actually thinking about that shortly after I finished watching the video. Then, I forgot. Your comment just reminded me about that! 😆
I think I actually would like a full clip to explain this if you can provide one, Misters Bot 1, 2 and 3.
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“I love the part in bohemian that where Freddy mercury isn’t gay” I died
I kinda wish more Disney movies adopted art styles similar to Turning Red because I’m gonna be honest, the main reason why I hold that movie way way WAAAAAAAAY higher in my heart than most people is because it feels really distinct and fresh. Same with The Bad Guys and Spider-Verse. Like, I’m so hungry for more 3D animated movies like those or just flat out traditional 2D movies that don’t BOMB.
Honestly the only reason why I have no interest in this movie is because it looks bad. The style seems so lifeless and bland. Not up to Disney’s standards, and like it’s trying to cater to audiences that prefer other studio’s stuff or they’re trying to save money by using generic looking designs. I feel bad for the movie in a way - it’s like there wasn’t enough love in it to make it look unique and stand out
Both Turning Red and this one majorly turn me off cause of the style.
Cal Arts has no place at Disney of all places.
Turning Red definitely made me think it was a movie only for kids and while I enjoyed the message the animation was a turn off for me. They should go back to the 2D stylization like Atlantis, Tarzan, Hercules, etc where they have more freedom
@@hassathunter2464 There is no such thing as the "Calarts Style", that term has lost all of its meaning.
@@cintronproductions9430 everyone knows what it means though, it means the Steven Universe style, not everyone likes that.
*I hate how Disney said "It's sabotagin' time!" and sabotaged all over the Strange World. Truly one of the corporations of all time.*
And they'll keep sabotaging, and they won't stop sabotaging...
Hilarious and original
@don't be surprised *Self aware Bots*
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@Nоt RiскrоII 🅥 *My dad didn't left me* 🤓
The marketing for _Strange World_ along with the lukewarm critical reception were the main factors why _Strange World_ bombed at the box office, and I'm very saddened cause this is the first we ever had a science fiction film from Walt Disney Animation Studios in a while and it does remind me of the Adventure/Science Fiction animated films Disney released in the early 2000's like _Atlantis_ and _Treasure Planet._ Speaking of _Atlantis_ and _Treasure Planet_ along with Pixar's _Lightyear_ released earlier this year, both of these films suffered what _Strange World_ endured: poor marketing from Disney's marketing department, critical lukewarm reception and also Box Office competition, with just _Strange World, Lightyear and Treasure Planet_ bombing at the box office.
Now compared to _Treasure Planet_ and _Lightyear_ which had heavy competition from other films that came out the same month on opening weekend (e.g. _Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets_ & James Bond's _Die Another Day_ - Treasure Planet; _Top Gun Maverick_ & _Jurassic World: Dominion_ - Lightyear) resulting in them flopping at the box offfice, _Strange World's_ *ONLY* major competition was _Black Panther: Wakanda Forever._ However, due to the poor marketing, the lukewarm reception and Disney primarily focusing more on _Black Panther: Wakanda Forever_ and _Avatar: The Way of Water_ (which comes out 2-3 weeks after Strange World) respectively over _Strange World_ resulted in the film being "Sandwiched" between those two blockbuster films and Disney not choosing to release the film in countries where LGBTQ+ is "Taboo" due to the character of Ethan Clade being gay along with Disney releasing the film as a "Disney+ Original Film" in France (due to France's strict film regulations) this was a "nail to the coffin" for _Strange World._
I'm saddened on the film not doing well at the box office cause we haven't had too many original science fiction Disney films wether it's Live-Action or animated, considering that outside of _Star Wars_ most of their original IP Science Fiction films (e.g. _Black Hole, Tomorrowland, Treasure Planet, John Carter, A Wrinkle In Time, Lightyear,_ etc.) just bomb at the box office and it makes me more concerned what's to come moving forward cause with Pixar's _Lightyear_ and now Disney Animation's _Strange World_ bombing at the box office it could possibly result in Disney and Pixar not doing anymore Science Fiction animated films moving forward.
I'm oddly starting to think that the sci-fi genre is surprisingly a curse when it comes to, not just Disney, but to all animated western films in general.
With all seriousness, sci-fi is my absolute number one favorite genre, and it's completely sad to see it not be represented in a lot of western animated films. With the only famous ones being anime, "Akira" and "Ghost in The Shell" to be more specific. It sucks to have them almost always be box office failures, I mean man Lightyear just had so much ambition. Sucks it ended being kind of mediocre... :(
Maybe leave the propaganda out, if you want normal people to watch it. I am fucking tired of being patronized and alot of people just feel jaded with Disney, because as long as Black Rock owns Disney their is no money for me to spend their.
If the Walt Disney Company (WDC) keeps operating like this, none of them will be doing anything shortly... I'm still very mad because of how WDC sabotaged Turning Red, but also Pixar in a whole by not releasing their movies in theaters. Meanwhile Raya got a theater release and Encanto got re-relased after Disney+. So frustrating..
@@JohrnyReport Disney is big enough I doubt black Rock owns them. There are plenty of reasons to dislike Disney, like their growing monopoly as a media company, without going down conspiracy rabbit holes. Also, what propaganda? The gay character or the climate change message? Either way, the movie sounds mediocre and that's OK.
@@JohrnyReport shut up, being gay is not a propaganda you moron, me and many gay people grew up with movies that only had straight romance, did that make us straight? Clearly not
For me the main reason why alot of people are put off by the idea of gay characters ia due to how the media basically butchered their first attempts. At the start their entire character just revolved around them being gay, in others the media, movie or series, basically said that if you didnt like the character then there was something wrong with you. Not only for gays or lesbians but for women as well. Constantly not only dropping but basically throwing the ball down and just blaming the audience when nobody liked it. Because of this the audience have grown to learn that the moment a gay, woman, or black character is invovled in the story then its better to just ignore it rather than be mocked again. So when someone competent actually makes a proper character with these traits people are super skeptical and still have that sour taste on their mouths. They are not able to accept that a good character was finally made. This is the result of years of incompetent, agenda pushing writing. They took away the chance for actual competent writers who wanted to tell a good story to tell their story to the world. I watched the movie and for me it was really good, sure not perfect but good still.
THIS.
I think the "anti-woke" crowd agrees with you but when it comes to Disney, it's exactly the opposite.
When Disney had claimed multiple times to have a gay character, it often turned out to be a background character, a single line of dialogue or a 3 second interaction that could easily be deleted from the film to please more socially conservative countries.
yeah, strong disagree. This feels like a major fence sitting take that fails both ways for it. "Because of this the audience have grown to learn that the moment a gay, woman, or black character is invovled in the story then its better to just ignore it rather than be mocked again" Alien was released in the 70s (79 but still) and Ripley is still an iconic character to this day despite being a whamen. One of my personal favourite characters in all of gaming, Prophet, (or at least, that's what we call him, his name is Lawrence Barnes... seriously that monologue was just so fucking good) was black and, while he wasn't the "main character" of Crysis 1 where he debuted, he still had MAJOR story presence.
The sex, skin colour, etc. isn't what people's issues are with these characters. You know how you can just spot bad CGI? Or how you can just spot bad green screen? Yeah it's that. Audiences can tell when a character is a character, that happens to have two X chromosomes, and when it's for "modern audiences". Audiences can tell when a character is a character, that happens to have a high melanin concentration, and when it's a character that is there for "representation".
Sure audiences may not be able to pin down a specific reason or even subset of reasons as to why it's the case, but it's something that can be recognized. Sort of like how Wanda killed every member of the illuminati, who had a Y chromosome, with ease, but the other two put up a fight. Or how Captain Marvel is routinely getting pushed as the most powerful MCU character, despite being hit by a tiny blast of tesseract energy (blew up several meters away only lightly hitting her) that Tony mass fucking produces as Badassium. (not even shitting you, look it up) And, despite, again, only being hit by a tiny fraction of tesseract energy, is portrayed as being able to compete with people with a full infinity gauntlet in raw strength. (despite the tesseract literally just being a housing for a SINGLE infinity stone)
The reality is that audiences can tell when they're being pandered to. Most people? Most people aren't racist, most people aren't seixst, most people aren't any ism or ist, they just don't care. And since they don't care, when a narrative is pushed onto them, they aren't likely to be very receptive. There will always be a vocal minority, but dollars don't lie.
I'm using a lot of MCU examples here because I've been rewatching some MCU stuff lately and, it's really just not comparable. If you want actual representation, watch the original Captain America. The Howling Commandos are an excellent example of representation done well because, the point wasn't showing people of a specific race, the point was that the "American Identity", being a soldier, etc. is irrelevant to your race, what matters is your values and strength of character. This is further exemplified by Cap himself who wasn't strong physically at all, but due to his strength of will and character he was chosen for the serum anyway. Similarly Carter was frankly just a badass, hitting a headshot on a moving car with a handgun. (although admittedly the romance aspect was played up a bit much IMO) The point of these characters wasn't "representation", it was telling a story, unifying against a common enemy, and having strength in that unison. (which frankly was all the better since the original CA movie was kind of cold blooded, people died on screen, like, died died, Cap through people out of planes, we SAW the guy that Carter shot, get shot, etc. This made the actual dread of war somewhat apparent because the tone actually matched it) There were even comments on sexism and whatnot with Carter, it was done well though because it was played off lightly and in a fitting context. (the 40s) This, rather hilariously so, counters modern MCU properties such as Falcon and the Winter Soldier where a core theme is all about representation and racism and whatnot. The funniest parallel to me is how the flag smashers are portrayed as sympathetic and having an admirable goal (i.e. : liking your country is bad) when Red Skull literally said to Cap "I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE, THERE ARE NO FLAGS" to which Cap responded "NOT MY FUTURE!" in the climax.
The simple reality is, no, audiences aren't burnt out on minority characters or leading women, we're burnt out on being pandered to. Audiences can recognize when something is motivated by a narrative. Maybe not perfectly, maybe not 100% of the time, but enough. If I am to address the narrative itself here, I frankly don't even see it as good in the first place. It isn't the 40s; basically anyone can achieve success at this point. Some people might have a bit harder times sure but everyone always will, it's impossible to make sure everyone is always 100% equal in every respect. Life deals you your cards, and you have to play your hand. We can even the deck as much as possible, but you reach a point where you just have to play the game. At this point just about everyone ought to be able to succeed equally if they're willing to, so the constant narrative of racism, sexism, and every other ist and ism seems more harmful than anything since it propagates the idea that you can't. (yes there will always be genuinely shitty people, but drinking milk isn't racist, and men having physically different bone structures that requires them sit with their legs open isn't seixst) It's sort of like many privacy laws (not all, but many, some are good) in that, when you convince people that you need to pass a law to solve an issue, they believe they can't solve it on their own, even if they can. Privacy is generally attainable by most individuals, Linux is entirely usable, de-googled roms are basically at feature parity, temporary email addresses are free, etc. (as someone who uses all of those, I'm never going back to the anti-privacy alternatives if I can help it because they're frankly just better anyways, privacy be damned) But SO many people believe "nope, we need the government to step in". That's bad enough but then you realize that government intervention (assuming the laws are even successful which, big fucking assumption) would prevent EVERYONE from being tracked, when some people genuinely don't care. Hell, sometimes personalized ads are genuinely super helpful! I have family members who explicitly do not care about their privacy if it makes their life better. I don't agree with that choice, but it's THEIR privacy, not mine, if convenience is the price they set for it then it's their's to sell. It's a choice the individual ought to make, and if you've been convinced it's a choice you can't make, that's just not right.
In short, these were paragraphs of examples and arguments to just say, no, that is not why these movies underperform. The simple reality is that most people don't buy what is being sold, most people don't LIKE the narrative that your race, sex, etc. matters. And, while it is possible to convince them, I don't personally believe that narrative is reality or healthy, nor has it been for probably decades now. We just flatly don't care, but, even if we don't care, we still very much do not like it when we can identify you're trying to make us care.
@@robonator2945 bro wrote the bible
Yeah. People basically became numb to it because of the constant fuck yous and middle fingers to anybody who didn't like their products
This probably the third time I ever heard of this movie and never know the movie got released
I only really heard about it from chud reactionaries bitching about gay people existing.
I assumed that meant the movie was going to fail terribly in the ratings, which it did, but artificially so like always. That's why you never ever trust the user review scores, especially if it's "political".
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 I feel bad for the people who worked on the movie , not only Disney didn't advertise the movie at all but also got review bombed by shitty Chud and reactionary channels.
I went to see it with a couple friends and we really loved it. We were the only ones in the theatre, so we kept throwing theories at eachother throughout. Caught on to the “it’s a body” pretty early and had so much fun trying to guess what the creatures were from an anatomy view
Wait so each creature on screen is like, a turtle spleen or something?
so it's like anatomy park from that one Rick and Morty episode
@@r.j.penfold more like blood vessels and various cells. It’s super cool once you start finding comparisons to how they interact
That plot twist was actually very creative and cool
@@alexarchivechannel6673 Based on how Saber's describing it, seems functionally closer to Osmosis Jones and narratively closer to BIONICLE. Anatomy Park didn't take that concept near as far as those two
2:08 just a reminder. Freddie wasn't gay. He was bi. Bi representation has always been a struggle to maintain.
3:26 I thought you were going to tell us not to forget that the Little Mermaid was written as a love letter by Hans Christian Anderson to Edvard Collin. Anderson, upon hearing of Collin's engagement to a young woman, proclaimed his love to him. He told him, "I long for you as though you were a beautiful Calabrian girl." Edvard turned Anderson down, disgusted.
Anderson then wrote The Little Mermaid as to symbolize his inability to have Collin just as a mermaid cannot be with a human. He sent it to Collin in 1936 and it goes down in history as one of the most profound love letters ever written.
I thought it was him working through the heartbreak, in a really epic way , but hat woul be amazing.
Also, the original doesn't end like Disney's at all. By the contrary; It's actually quite heart-wrenching.
Yes! There is so much bi erasure surrounding Freddie Mercury
@@salewis8491 and apearently the ending of the original he had to add the verse thst she can be saved :(
@@tinytigertamer And in general. Never mind the ace erasure, which is a whole other thing.
I remember being mesmerized by the first trailer I was able to see for this film. It looks like a really fun film and I’m really upset that the marketing and more concerning enough, Disney themselves screwing over this film. It’s uncool. Also thanks for the mention for the owl house man :,)
what I don't really like is how the generational thing can have villains, like, it's not because someone is your grandma that they aren't a pos, as I see time and time again, sometimes people are just bad because they want to, and sometimes your mother or other relative is this person, also how the conflict aways solves in "you tried to kill me, but it's ok, you are family after all" can be kinda hurtful, people have this mindset of it being family, so they know better, even if they will never suport you!
Also cool disney plot for them to make into a movie: mc lives in a bad family, runs away, family goes after them, but sees how hurtful they were and how sometimes it will never work, mc then finds the real family they deserve. BOOM generational drama with villains
I think that Disney is still afraid of this "it's A-OK to cut our fam out of it" bc they don't think it's a wholesome feel-good story...and they probably think it wouldn't be too kid friendly. Tho that's not really true bc Matilida is a classic, it's a 'kid's' film and in the end the MC chooses to be adopted out of her toxic family and live with her kindly teacher. and kids watch it and it didn't the idea of more traditional family nor did it end the world...
@@ninavale. while I was writing the comment I remembered matilda as well lol
@@ninavale. Yes! Fucking hell finally somebody with common sense, you are very correct with the whole "but they're family" problem. Indeed Disney is too scared to give a message like that to their audience simply for two reasons. Either they don't know how to portray it in a way that won't get the media angry, since we live in a world that easily gets offended of course it would worry Disney if they can't make a buck out of it. Or simply and sadly, Disney is losing its magic. Yup Disney is out of ideas, or they just don't want to risk making other different stories because it is easier, to milk another franchise to death. At the end of the day, it's all an exchange. You give me money, I give you entertainment. In Disney's case, they don't care if the entertainment is good or bad anymore. As I said. Disney has lost its magic.
@@ariramirez2065 it became even more apparent when they started those LA remakes and tried to rationalize/explain every single damn thing BC they saw so e fan forums and blogs doing...well fandom stuff and speculating on some story details. Like idk WHY (else) do we have a magic memory book in Beauty and the Best to tell us Belle's mom died of pluage or whatever . Like we knew she was dead cuz she wasn't there and it's Disney. We didn't need a rigging padding scene of her and Maurice talking as she is dying. And SOME of those damn answers or changes make the story and characters worse. I mean the whole POINT of Belle not knowing beast was prince was for her to make a genuine connection with him. To like him on his own merits as a person. If she knows the curse and that-in new version- the staff which are people turned objects will pretty much DIE makes it more of a responsibility for her to fall in love. BC people will die. And also when Beast makes her go it actually makes him more selfish. In the animated version there is no mention that staff will just turn to normal objects. All will stay the same and beast will lose his humanity forever and will be a monster forever. LA? He knows they will all die and seemingly doesn't care. And Gaston do we NEED an additional exploration he is a hunter cuz war PTSD? can't be just be regular asshole like in the original? People who never have been to war hunt as well. And well..I don't think I even have to bring up anything about lion king....and the fact they cut out Be Prepared
@@ninavale. BRUH I love Matilda wish there was more movies like it
I think another reason why this movie wasn't marketed much, and didn't do well at the box office, was because of Bob Chapek's stance on "animation is for kids", hence why Disney's been more focused on the live action properties. Hearing him say that made me so angry that when he was kicked out and replaced by the returning Bob Iger, I felt relieved to some extent, but not to the point of hoping that Disney will immediately make a comeback. Things just aren't going well.
I was absolutely disgusted when i heard those words form him. It’s so ironic considering he was the CEO of the biggest animation studio ever.
Though to be fair, a lot of flack Disney had been getting into recently, like the political/sociopolitical/playing both aisle crap, was because of Iger. So I personally wouldn't get high hopes Iger would turn it around
WTF, why us he even in charge when he doesnt even know how mature disney movie are. and i think the remaks are, not as. Also he needs to watch xavier renegarde angel.
peter pan aside thats a pretty dark charactr originally, why! Also i am angry he didnt remake hunchbag from notredam, the argumently easiet to do and most reasy to liveaction movie! Even the most neutered version would actually do some good messaging about relevant topics. Frollo cough cough, Thats the live action i want!
The fall guy got replaced by the one who instigated Disney's downfall in the first place. Not exactly cause for celebration.
Oh yeah I was pretty pissed myself. Animation is for everyone. Everyone plain and simple.
I think this is more of a case of "you try to please everyone and end up pleasing no one." Disney makes their movies based on demographics and algorithms, there are pictures of writer's room whiteboards where there are lists of things that have to go into their product in order to try to appeal to a wide audience, and at the same time, they have a list of diversity bullet points that also have to get crammed in there. Result: this waste of space (pun intended).
If you look at the credits for this film, there are actually three "diversity consultants"
Interesting enough, supposedly before Bob Iger left Disney, he warned Bob Chapek to “not let data influence your decisions”
@@SynGirl32 Only 3? That's the problem right there, that is not nearly a diverse enough group of consultants.
@@NakedOwl501 Lol
@@SynGirl32 And?
I agree with the thing about a lack of Disney Villains. It seems like a lot of animated movies and shows are backing away from straight up villains. I wonder if it's related to the weird idea people have developed that liking villains automatically means you agree with their actions.
That is actually a very good question when I saw the title. I only remember seeing the teaser trailer, and then months have passed and I haven't heard a single thing about it until last month I think, but there was barely anything else related to it besides just a few commercials that appear here and there. I also remember when the mario movie trailer was released, a few days later my animation teacher brings up how a lot of people seem to talk about the mario movie rather than strange world which was pretty interesting
It's because Mario™ is an Icon
Well no shit. It’s Mario-one of the most iconic characters in the world. And imo it looks better and more fun based off trailers comparatively.
Or maybe just maybe Mario Movie looks more fun that this snoozefest
@@KgEclispe252 I mean I haven't seen strange world yet and the mario movie after watching both trailers looks so damn good that I wished it was released now, I would get this reaction
Cuz mario movie>>>
So much like Atlantis, Treasure Planet, The Black Cauldron, and Lightyear this will forever be remembered as one of Disney's biggest bombs, but may grow an audience overtime. Also, if your name is Bob I guess you're likely to be a Disney CEO lol.
Saw Black Cauldron for the first time this year.
It was actually way worse than I thought.
Laughably bad.
Atlantis was alright, Treasure Planet was good, Lightyear was passable.
I just don't get why people like Black Cauldron, though it is visually well done, I'll give it that credit.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 I haven't really seen black Cauldron although I have seen Nostalgia Critic review of it lol. The voice acting from John Hurt and visuals look good.
Sadly not as a underated one cause it's baerly passable
Atleast Atlantis and Treasure Island still has a good story, also, both movie was released during 2D animation purge due to 1995 Toy Story
I would love to have seen the unedited version of Black Caldron. I just saw a video yesterday talking about the movie and how like 15mins of the film was cut by the new CEO himself to tone down the movie and other such shenanigans.
My favourite part is then the character says "Oh no! What a Strange World!" but then Doctor Stephen Strange opens a portal, shows up and yells "Not as strange as me!". Maybe the real "Strange World Sabotage" was the friends we made along the way.
Is this what the One Piece ending is like?
and then they stranged all over the place, and the film make 60 strangillion dollars.
@@sonicdash9652Maybe
Bruh
Why does this give me alpharad deluxe comment vibes
the thing that annoys me most with the generational trauma movies is that the traumatized kids always make up with their parents in the end. make the parents really villains for once! let the kid not forgive the parent and not be shamed for it!
Treasure Planet!
I litterally just went to see this film today with my best friend, and i really enjoyed it, it was nice for disney to do a story about fathers and sons as its not very common in disney films anymore. Also Legend, the dog is brilliant as hes just a good boi with no thoughts going on
You know, I was thinking the whole time while Saber was speaking about how the "family therapy" angle is overplayed that, "Hey, it focuses almost entirely on three male characters though. When's the last time Disney has given us a movie about fatherhood and boyhood?" I think that actually is very noteworthy and commendable. It's rare to find mainstream films about fatherhood at all these days, and back in the day films about fatherhood tended to all focus on men being macho and how that's either good or bad (depending on the filmmaker).
Honestly, yeah, I think a movie like that would be very interesting.. .the thing is the movie seems to try to hit you with SO MANY different messages that they all overlapped each other in a way where I couldn’t even focus on the father and son and grandson relationship, I thought it was gonna be one of the main things but so many things where happening that I feel like it got really overshadowed and ended in an unsatisfactory way.
The dog has some insane plot armour
God, the world is so overdue for a new iconic Disney villain.
Last time we got one is between 1996, 1997, and 1998
I fear they don’t have one left in them :/
@@sllawson6 the witch doctor was iconic :(
@@jiovanirivera852 which movie was that ?
@@sllawson6 Princess and The Frog
Saw it with my boyfriend when it came out by chance. We both didn't see any advertisements prior. We both liked the film. It's a straight forward exploring adventure story with some fun characters. Will admit the generational trauma is getting old very quickly with so many disney owned films being released back to back. The generational trauma is most likely a coincidence since it takes years to produce animated films, but it is getting exhausting. Besides incredible visuals and some good diversity strange world doesn't have much going for it being unique.
Honestly, I'd love to see a strong family struggling due to other problems, that would be something I'd really relate to. I grew up with a lot of difficulties due to circumstances out of anyone's control, and the support of my friends and family kept me going.
The exception is not rule and you're in the overwhelming minority
Diversity=woke in case some people were wondering.
I've seen the commercials and tbh it didn't look that appealing. Like a solid 5 on a 1-10 scale. It's cool that people are feeling it's a 7 but I think I am just going to wait til they dump it on D+ since Disney isn't pushing it. I expect it's likely going to be a quick turnaround.
@@smudent2010 lmao, fucking ratio
8:54 thank you! i've said this many, many times! i'm tired of this big lack of a true villain in disney movies(and not only on disney)....the "villain" nowadays is just something intangible like conflict/miscomunications etc etc, it's just....boring...in some movies, the only thing that keeps my attention up, are the visuals, because the story, even if a bit different, almost always ends up in the same way...(acceptance and...whatever...)
Big Jack Horner: Didn't someone say my name?
@@valentinkambushev4968 aaaaah, just watched the movie few weeks ago, couldn't agree more,loved that big pink bastard, sure death was top tier, but jack was definitely best villain of the year( and probably of the past years).
Even if I don't end up liking this movie, I feel really sorry for it. It honestly deserved much, much better.
We deserved a better movie. I was going to watch it until the reviews starting coming out and the trailer itself the plot was so been their seen that before I decided it wasn't worth seeing in theaters.
Why did it deserve better?
@@ascendednightingale2456 Because it sucks that it was thrown under the bus by Disney
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@@ascendednightingale2456 tf
The announcement that the main character is gay was the only marketing I saw for this movie
Never saw an ad for Encanto until it came to Disney plus. On the other side, I’ve seen relentless adds for Strange World up until a week or two ago. I’m shocked that most people didn’t experience this too and never saw an ad or substantial adds for it
I wonder if it has something to do with the way the algorithm has adapted to you?
MF, you was on the moon, tf you mean you aint see no ads for Encanto. This b!1ch on mars. Cappin an shi💀. IK for a fact yo ah homophobic 💀
I came here to say almost this exact comment. I never saw a thing for Encanto yet it boomed into a classic. I saw countless UA-cam and pop up ads for strange world and it just didn’t look appealing to me.
Same! I saw relentless ads for Strange World. I’m also shocked to hear a lot of people didn’t see it advertised very much (or at all).
It was the opposite for me, maybe it depends on the region? I saw ads for encanto way before the movie was released. But yet at most saw one teaser for Strange World.
I honestly think the changes to how they tell stories is what’s killing Disney. Not only removing villains from their recent films and replacing it with emotional plot lines that often times are hot or miss, but also the fact that they change how they tell their story for their remakes. Although are more progressive, but they also remove any development the characters went through, the lost boys becoming closer to Wendy, the soldiers learning the value of Mulan, and Pinnochio learning what it means to be a real boy is all gone for the sake of being more progressive and not allowing characters to improve!
I never had an interest in this movie, but it's sad seeing how it's doing in the box office. The creators behind it seemed really passionate, so it's a shame the budget was so small. Definitely gonna give it a watch if it comes to Disney+.
Speaking about the whole thing with Hollywood using A-list celebs instead of professional voice actors started with Disney’s own Aladdin. Robin Williams knew this was going to happen and was reluctant to do the film because of how Disney wanted to use his name recognition for advertising. He eventually did as we all know and Genie is great, because Robin is just that good at character acting and comedy, but as he feared it paved the way for Hollywood now, hiring big names regardless of if they’re fit for the role or not.
Lady and the tramp had Peggy Lee voice the Siamese cats, Darling, and Peg.
This trend has been around a lot longer than Aladdin but Aladdin is the mode notable example.
Here's the thing, other Disney "flops" like Princess and the Frog, Atlantis or Treasure Planet gained a cult following after the fact but, I'm not sure if Strange World is unique enough for that. It's a unique concept for sure but it looks exactly like any other movie, that's the problem with 3D animation.
Unique concept? Really? Rick and Morty alone did something like this concept at least 3 or 4 times already.
@Aurora Texley I've always heard that it was a flop in the way that it "killed" 2d animation at Disney.
Unless you try something with the art style like how Spider-Verse did.
@@INRamos13 And Osmosis Jones did it before Rick and Morty, and BIONICLE did it before Osmosis Jones. Its a fun trope, not surprised it keeps getting revisited.
The issue is not 3d animation as shown with the endless variations of 3d models in games. Nor is it an issue of the animation being similar to other movies given how 2d animated movies of the same style still garner attention.
The issue is that for a movie to get cult recognition they need the right combination of good story with good animation. This is why *Meet the Robinsons* and *Frozen* got so big. Both are 3D animation, both are about siblings getting closer together, but the way they handle the themes are incredibly different from normal.
If you notice every single one of those "box office bombs" failed because they didn't fit the "disney look" that kids and parents want. But they all unique pieces of media that handle their relevant stories in ways that not other movie or show has done them in.
Ethan being gay being possibly the cause of backlash is exactly why I kept telling my friends when Frozen II was first announced that Disney would NEVER make Elsa gay. They’d never risk it. My initial reaction of Ethan being gay was “Oh! Noted” than continued watching the film. Anyone else have the same or similar reaction?
I think the animation department in general is being betrayed/sabotaged by disney. Their advertising for it really is horrible. Looking back, Even Encanto had little publicity or ads surrounding it. When Iwent to see it last year, there was hardly anyone in the theatre.
Everything is Marvel, Star Wars, or Remakes. It's unfortunate.
Not just Disney. A lot of big corporates are dumping animation, and probably telling everyone to “grow up” because “animation is for kids”. Guys, what is your definition of “growing up”? Becoming lifeless “robots” who only cares about money, and to take away any signs of life within children? Are you actually just a heartless in a human husk?
@Army of One What woke sh1t?
I'm really glad that you bring up del Toro's Pinocchio, because I went to see it in theatres with my dad, and I ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT! There's a couple of Seraphs, a few musical numbers, a lot of Nazis, and Ewan McGregor! It's visually stunning and a very good father-son film (not in the way of "it's a movie that fathers will commonly watch with their sons", in the way of "it's a movie with a lot of father-son dynamics").
Saberspark doing more advertising for the film than Disney did with one video.
Honestly I don’t get how romance between two same sex characters is considered sexual when it’s literally just the same if not less intense than other opposite sex characters in other kids films.
I think it's a combination of things. Not only was it poor marketing but it's people simply not caring. the ads themselves are vague and mostly focus on that splat character. I bet it looked very uninteresting to many, therefore they ignored it. ALSO it releases on D+ on Christmas so I think many thought to themselves "why see this in theaters when I can watch it at home next month?"
I remember that before streaming a lot of people would not go to the theater because a few months later the movie would be released on TV and they can just watch it there for "free".
It was also reported that people were just walking out during test screening.
Disney was probably trying to sweep this under the rug
Maybe it’s just me but most of the time, audiences aren’t interested when Disney does animated action based films and prefer the fairly tale/cultural films that they produce
Almost, but Big Hero 6 and Zootopia were both big hits.
Not to mention films like treasure planet Atlantis and some of their cult classic Saturday morning block included gargoyles a action themed series or dark wing duck
@@SlyFan-mp8dc the key words in my comment is “most of the time” like those films you mention were success
@@SlyFan-mp8dc
They still had fantastical and culture inspired settings and cute robots/animals as leads.
I knew it…
When my friend mentioned that there was no marketing for this movie, I immediately told him:
There’s definitely gay characters in it, or like ‘’controversial’’ topics, like Turning Red (which I loved)
He then saw the movie and told me: you were absolutely right (he liked it though)
Star vs. the forces of evil, Steven Universe, The Mitchells vs. the Machines and Zootopia all had gay characters and/or controversial topics, and they weren't flops.
@@mappybc6097 the first two are tv shows, I don't hear anyone talking about Mitchells vs. the Machines anymore, and Zootopia was blink and you miss it
@@Phantomphan613 mitchel vs machines was a hit and zootopia was a smash hit all over the world
@Phantomphan613 So? The fact remains the shows, and the movies were both profitable and well received by viewers. Whereas Lightyear and Strange World were flops and poorly received.
My point is that if the show is good, mainstream audiences will have no issues with lgtb characters. Alucard and Constantine being bisexual didn't hurt Castlevania or Justice League Dark. Vi and Kat's relationship didn't hurt Arcane.
And If you want to go way back, Willow being gay didn't hurt Buffy.
@@mappybc6097 doesnt mean disney isnt uppity about it. if anything that just proves disney is lagging behind out of their own bias
i literally wouldve never known about Strange World if i didnt work in a movie theatre. i never, EVER saw a commercial on TV or as an ad via YT. when i first saw the digital poster in my theatre, i was confused yet pleasantly surprised Disney has been working on something other than MCU movies, Avatar 2 and Disney+ exclusives like Turning Red. every time guests would come into the movie theatre, they always ask "What movie is that?" which baffled me because it's almost unheard of to not know of a new Disney movie! it was around then i realized Disney was likely giving Strange World the Treasure Planet treatment: condemning it to advertisement limbo. when i heard one of the characters, Ethan, was a gay teenager and how the movie, supposedly, presents him as being completely open and honest about his sexuality and it's normalized that everything is going well for Ethan in that department (idk how true that is, i didnt get to see it myself), i immediately went "Oh, THATS why it's being brushed under the rug". yea in the US seeing LGBTQ+ content is smiled upon (and oftentimes forced into movies when no inkling of it is even there, but i digress), but internationally, yea, it unfortunately wont do well since gay marriage is still illegal or even a death sentence in certain foreign countries so those countries tend to ban movies about such topics. it's a pity that Disney feels the need to hide some of their works out of fear of losing money, because w/ Strange World ive heard from the very few guests that left the theatre after viewing it saying it was a pretty ok, cute and fun movie. the producers behind Strange World seems to have made themselves a decent, compentent movie, but just because of the minor LGBTQ+ content in it theyre like "No no no, we CANNOT broadcast and advertise THIS!" hopefully itll get a better run on Disney+ whenever it's released on there
Something that took me (and my family) out of movie is when devil got killed. Devil was the pilot of the aircraft where the main characters were on. When they were getting attacked by the bird creatures, one breaks the glass, wraps it tongue around Devil’s neck and dragged him out.
And the characters didn’t acknowledge it, he was never mentioned again.
But a unscreen death really shocked me since that isn’t really normal in a modern kids movie
i think on-screen deaths are allowed if the actual "death" isn't shown on screen and it's implied
Many old Disney films had character deaths. Lion King, beauty and the beast, little mermaid... Bambi
So it's not a shock to me
@@galacticmoonwolf8462 im talking about modern kids movies
The last on screen death Disney did was the musician guy getting poisoned in Coco
Wasn't that in the trailer too?
I find it interesting how different the advertising is from country to country because here in Germany there were a couple weeks where every second to third UA-cam ad the trailer for Strange World played. It played so often that after a couple days I was completely fed up with the movie and later even aggravated whenever it played. To think that there was little to no advertising in the US for this but a ton here in Germany is really strange. Interestingly enough I think i haven't seen a the Mario movie trailer a single time as a UA-cam advert even though it's such a big franchise.
Update
Just after writing this the first advert I got on my next video was for the Mario movie guess someone at youtube HQ read my comment and pulled some levers.
Same in Mexico, i saw this movie everywhere
I live in the US and have also seen more trailers for Strange World than the Mario Movie
But the Mario Movie trailers were definitely much better received
@@drawingdragon this! The only Mario movie stuff i have seen has been viral, no "ads" yet, meanwhile strange world i got it at UA-cam, Twitter, Instagram....
I live in the UK and I've seen ads for the movie on the side of buses, but that's it.
I have a feeling part of why they didn't market it much was so they could say "We have LGBTQIA representation! Look how inclusive and NOT homophobic we are! So you'll look past the shady things we're doing, right? :)"
Exactly, and that's part of the reason I left the theatre disliking the movie. I'm a sapphic Latina, but I hate when companies clearly DO NOT CARE and throw in whatever is "trendy" for the audiences.
1. Gay main character
2. Interracial marriage
3. Disabled dog
4. Generational trauma
5. Most characters are black or dark skinned
6. Climate change plot
These aren't bad on their own, but being all together like this makes it abundantly clear Disney is desperate for approval and wanted to throw the majority of progressive stuff they could in there
True like the invested it so much yet no promotions
I also think they may have shafted the marketing BECAUSE it was a gay character and Disney sabotages their own gay properties. Like a way to say "see, we DID give you a feature film with a gay lead, and look how much money it lost! Gay characters are not profitable" When they didn't even market it
@@zohabaig6426 one thing i give credit for is at least they werent slimy about and say hey we just removed one peice so we can market to china or other countries
The comment above you would unironically agree with that statement unfortunately.
Disney: cancelled TOH(The Owl House) for being bisexual
Also Disney: Strange World
Because of all mighty Dollar!
This is just outrageous, even for Disney's standards. Only makes me even more satisfied with Bob Chapek's discharge.
Strange World was in production and pretty much finalised in terms of strategy before Chapek even stepped in. This was Iger's production. Chapek was just the fall guy
Do you realize nothing is changing just because Iger back he put them in this place in the first place
Disney should discharge the family members
@@reallionsden Not really. Chapek said aloud that he thought animated films were just for kids. Why do you feel that under his tenure, he focused more on live-action stuff than animated movies? Animated films under Chapek failed because they either were sent straight to Disney+ or received poor marketing compared to the live-action films. Strange World has Bob Chapek all over it.
@@reallionsden Really? Before 2020?
I am curious if they didn't want to advertise the movie because of the challenge it could bring to Black Panther: Wakanda Forever and maybe Avatar: The Way of Water as another factor as to why Disney didn't put more money into advertising?
This sucks 😔
Sounds like they bet their money on the big dogs and left this one in the dust.
I saw a crap ton of advertising for it.
One thing I notice is that even with some people that I know who knew about the film’s existence, many didn’t find the story interesting. I feel like the premise wasn’t too interesting for people to look at and after how my family was emotional over 'Encanto', the general audience prefers the fairly tale/culture style movies that Disney makes.
All I saw as premise was "this character is part of this demographic". That's what they advertised. And that's how you destroy anything. Make identity a focus.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejodude they didn’t even advertise that! The only clips on UA-cam were generic action parts of the movie and some quips, nothing else. This is definitely a treasure planet situation.
This. Nobody I know in person or online seems interested in the movie. Frankly the movie looked incredibly generic. I didn't even know it was made by Disney. I figured it was some direct to video Disney knock off.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo disney wasn't advertising that. its what all the journalists thought would bring clicks to their website, and what can i say it worked
I believe the reason Strange world wasn’t cancelled was because it was basically finished and set for a release date when Buzz light year released but then when Disney saw how much damage and controversy Buzz lightyear brought because of only 1 kiss scene it freaked them out for the future of Strange world but because the movie was already almost finished and due in only a few months and they already spent the money on it they probably decided the best thing they could do was to try and let this movie slip quietly under the rug and didn’t start properly advertising it until a few days after it’s release they were probably hoping to save anymore themselves from anymore backlash from parents as this year has really only been backlash from every movie such as turning red, buzz lightyear and now strange worlds it’s been rough for Disney
Which is bullsh$t
Ya ask me, it's got a lot more to do with thier finances which are quite frankly horrendous. Worse than before Eisner stepped in level bad. $4 billion lost just on Disney+ in 2022 level bad. None of thier movies making a single penny level bad. With thier ridiculous loss in 2022, I'm not surprised they gave the movie that isn't attached to an IP a pathetic budget. This was just a contract fulfiller and nothing else. They published it because they contractually had to but otherwise gave no shits.
How can Disney sabotage one of their OWN Properties?
They technically own the rights to Strange World and the other Shows and Movies they worked on for years.
They do it all the time. Just look at all their TV shows on Disney Chanel.
Probably because of their openly gay character
Look at what happened to Treasure Planet. If you don't know the history of Disney's in-fighting you need to educate yourself.
Probs cuz they hate animation
@@fallen_vague28 Which wouldn't have been an issue if it would have been implied and left at that. It's a children's movie, we don't need to know who fucks what.
It's actually pretty good, bit slow and clunky in some places, but is visually stunning and the action scenes where beautifully choreographed
I do think it was just too fast in some places- but I liked it too, I haven’t even seen anyone actually say anything about it, just around it. But I thought the gay character itself was cute with his crush; I think the movie is creative and I’m kind of a sucker of big and weird animals, especially that towards ending
@@T_E_G it’s a children’s movie you pedo
It’s one of the most unique and interesting worlds I’ve seen in a while. A living world that turns out to be the innards of a giant creature mashed with futuristic steampunk technology is like, soo cool!!
Veryyyy boring cartoon. The most boring cartoon in the history of mankind. Empty uninteresting characters with strange annoying behavior and the most stupid and strange dialogues.
I think another issue that wasn't mentioned was how Strange World released on a Wednesday. The middle of the school/work week, and not on what would have been one of the busiest Fridays of the year.
hey saberspark, speaking of disney sabotaging their movies and shows, it would be really cool if u looked into that with 101 dalmatian street! it’s highly underrated due to disney not giving it any recognition at all, and i think it should be brought back to the surface.
Also don't forget the fate of The Lone Ranger, John Carter, and Kunlun by Disney in the past
Generally, bad marketing can kill even the most interesting movie. Considering what the company has done in the past with movies like Treasure Planet and Atlantis, it wouldn't surprise me if they did it on purpose, especially now when the company has so many billions that a flop or two won't harm it.
Oh, Disney is definitely hurting. Didn't you hear about all those layoffs it was gonna do before they fired Chepek.
@@dimensiond668 yeah, they were gonna fire nearly 30,000 Disneyland workers.
@@voomvoom4522 Sounds like its the workers that are hurting, as usual.
The way SS shows his frustrations towards Disney not doing villains anymore is something I always think, like STOP MAKING NON PHYSICAL THINGS “VILLAINS”! WE WANT PHYSICAL VILLAINS!!!!!
I mean it can work, but it has so much more impact if you aren't cowardly about it.
I think Encanto did a pretty good job with it.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 I’m not being cowardly about it. You’re right, movies like Encanto worked with Turning Red kind of working, but it be nice to have that traditional villain again at some point. Remember what villains used to be like in Disney? They were great (most of them anyways). So it be nice to go back to that again and see if Disney could still do villains like that
I actually really enjoyed it, I think the world building and character/creature designs were so good and you could tell a lot of love had gone into it. Such a travesty that a solid film like this went under the radar due to Disney trying to have its cake and eat it too. “Oh look see, we are progressive! We did it one time! But see it flopped, so it’s not profitable/what audiences actually want, so I guess we won’t make any more” 🤷♀️
👏 can not agree more👏
Kids totally understand same sex. When my daughter was 3 she had a friend with 2 dads and just accepted and understood that all families are awesome and different.
The whole "no villains" thing only worked in Encanto so far lol. Which makes sense cause the theme is basically FAMILY through and through. And recent Pixar movies also did well with "no villains"
Edit : oh yeah i cant watch this yet, im in indonesia lol
@@DrFlagShipKingBeard they did say Pixar did well so...no? Coco and Turning Red are both Pixar (under Disney but branding).
I think we have to watch this on alternative sources in Indonesia, if Lightyear doesntmake through our censor agency, I don't think this will.
But all in all, from what I hear, this is not something you'll miss if you don't see it.
@@DrFlagShipKingBeard oh yeah i forgot about that HAHAHA. Everything about Coco was good except Ernesto! 🤣🤣 I was thinking of Luca, Soul and Turning Red! All three movies had no real villain. (I don't count the square guy from Soul as a villain because he was just doing his job lol i love him)
@@goonerOZZ Yeah, good ol "mirror screen 21" wink wink. but i think i'll skip this movie tbh. unless i really have nothing else to watch
I fortunately had a chance to watch Pinocchio in theater in my country.
I was shocked because I was expecting only Netflix release, but sometimes they do theatrical release here too.
But I didn't expect Netflix movie would be in theater, so I legit rushed to the theater and watched it right away with my mom.
And I have to say, you're not ready for this film.
It's the best animated film I've ever watched this year.
Storytelling is so good that it instantly makes you forget about that awful remake Disney made.
No, it's a SIN to even compare to that.
The story is much more for adults, quite dark,but also light hearted moments here and there you're gonna love it I gurantee.
It reminded me of Hayao Miyazaki's stroytelling, the message and HOW he delivered that message felt similar in a way.
I can't quite explain, but it just feels like it.
@thebottomtext Wait are you assuming Del Toro’s Pinocchio is a foreign film? Cause it’s not.
@thebottomtext Just wanted to make sure you weren’t confused.
I can only hope that whenever this movie gets on Disney +, it will gain more viewers and fans for it. I mean I remember that Encanto came out around on Thanksgiving. While I went to go see it in theaters, there wasn’t much attention to it until it came to Disney + around 24th I believe? Then it got popular, so I can only hope the same will go to Strange World when it does.
That could definitely happen, Encanto also barely made an impact at first until it came out on Disney+. For me I wonder if the reason why these films don't make as much of an impact is that Disney waits a long time before announcing them. I don't think I knew Encanto was coming until I saw the trailers right as it was about to release. But Encanto had the songs to help get it popular at least so Strange World might not be as lucky.
Normal people really don't give a fuck about being preached the enviromental message and being force feed propaganda.
I kinda doubt it because Encanto had a more interesting setting, theme and character designs, this movie seems to be too mundane by comparison. Plus it might be just me but Strange world seems to have a more toned down color and lighting, which will probably turn down potential artists (let's face it artists are partially responsible for Encanto's success).
Encanto took off because of the songs. Kids wanted their parents to play it over and over to listen to Bruno and other songs. What in Strange World will make kids scream to their parents to play over and over.
@@ДмитроДорофеєв I definitely agree about the character design and probably the theme idk I haven't seen Strange World yet but the setting of Encanto was a house IDK how you could do much better than alien planet with strange biology in terms of interesting settings.
Disney try not to sabotage their own movies challenge: extreme edition
My heart goes out to the team who poured so many hours working on this film just for disney to screw over the marketing as well as people boiling the film down to "another woke film to push the gay agenda."
I havent seen it yet but I do plan on watching it because it just looks fun tbh
The movie had a poor test screening and instead of fixing it up, they decided to not put much more money into something they knew would flop due to Word of Mouth. It's technically sabotage, but the smart kind.
You absolutely can't convince me that Disney didn't want this movie to flop on purpose.
It may seem strange that they would let themselves lose millions of dollars intentionally
But they can now use this movie as an example whenever people ask or demand for more LGBTQ representation
"But we tried to give you representation 🥺👉👈You wouldn't go see it."
The scary thing though
With this being such a similar situation to what happened with treasure planet,
When they did what they did to treasure planet
They were essentially trying to kill off the movie itself and their 2D animation studio
If you consider everything that's been going on with the animation industry as a whole
This could also be trying to feed into that narrative as well
Two birds with one stone
LGBTQ representation and the animation industry
But honestly. It's true. LGBTQ animation is a dangerous place to tread for many animation studios. You do lose a lot of money because of it since many countries don't support LGBTQ and will ban the movie from their countries. Already smashing into the loss of money. That and many people don't wish to take their kids to see it because they dont feel comfortable showing their young children such things. My parents have an 8 year old. They didn't want her to watch it because they didn't want her to know about LGBTQ until she was older. They felt it was forced into the movie to please everyone they could and it made them uncomfortable. Unfortunately, it's the world we live in. LGBTQ is still something very new to the world with being branded publicly. Only recently in the past 10 years has it really been brought to light. It's what killed the Buzz lightyear movie. People hated the Lesbian relationship in it because they werent comfortable showing their children at young ages and felt it was much too woke.
Based Disney.
@@someneet145 Cringe corpo lover
@@crimsongold6980 I never got that logic, they're fine with their kids watching something like the Hunchback of Notre dam, and Tarzan which ends with the villain getting hanged, or Princess and the Frog which ends with the villain being dragged of to Hell, but two dudes say they love each other and suddenly its bad and corruptive. Its always the parents projecting their own fears on to their kids, they're scared of gay people so they want their children to be the same. I saw someone say that even if God came down and told them that it was okay, they would still be against it and argue. Hateful ideologies sure are a hell of a drug, it encourages people to focus more on differences rather than similarities, always something I've been against, regardless of political standing. If people, as kids, found out they were gay during the Hay's code, I doubt sheltering them from the fact it exists is gonna change anything, it'll only make them see it as proof of brokenness, something that makes them or others impure and disgusting, if they were gonna be gay, they'd still be gay, just now they're gay and hate themselves for it, no child deserves that. Its just another example of parents accidentally harming kids in their attempts to 'protect them from evil'. Funny enough, it reminds me of those against Rock and Roll and Pokemon, they said the same about those things corrupting the youth, it comforts me in a way when I realize that homophobes sound just like those people.
A teacher was basically fired for this! Kids were interrogated on this event! This movie was their personal "I was at school when 911 happened" moment, that is what they'll remember. Then they will grow up looking back and see that all that happened because two guys hugged at the end. Come on...
Honestly, I love original ideas and stories rather than remakes. I will never spend money on remakes and I instead spent it on this movie. I don’t ever regret it 😊 I actually love it
When i first saw the trailer i thought it looked okay. But then the nonstop woke articles praising it for having a gay character, non binary character, less white people characters, etc. was nauseating. Personally idc if a movie has these tropes but when its celebrated and pushed is where i dont want to support it.
@@Pyramanager I never read articles because of that reason. When I saw the trailers, I recognized that it was an original idea without knowing what the story actually was. I spent money on it anyway
@@Pyramanager If you find praise for LGBTQ characters "nauseating" you are the problem. You're not "neutral". You're just pretending to be to avoid painting yourself as the bad guy, but the problem is in you.
@@Pyramanager yeah, I gave up on Disney after they started doing that stuff.
@@selkiefluff I am neutral . You dont need to praise eery time a gay, trans, poc, etc. is in something. If a character is one of those then cool, but when theyre constantly pushing it in your face and saying if you dont watch/buy their product , then youre a bad person. The original Mulan, Aladdin, princess and frog, etc. movies are amazing and loved by everyone . They didnt shove it in peoples faces "Look a poc character! Watch it or youre racist!". The problem is people like you that label anybody against you as an ist or phobe
Who actually remembers the time, when Disney brought one(!) new movie out each year and it was a huge success? Even more, you were looking forward to it with all this excitement: oooh, a new Disney movie at the end of the year! I need to see it!
… what has Disney turned into 🥺
One Movie could carry on for years back in those days. Now they have so many movies that it all feels like Movies are being fleshed out so fast they are not as memorable anymore.
You also gotta keep in mind, there weren't as many perpetually angry minded influencers back then putting everything under a microscope to sway people's minds in not seeing it because in their eyes, straying from the norm is "Woke" therefore bad in their eyes. That said, the movie looks charming but anything that doesn't have a princess hook or an airheaded popstar to creep on immediately gets sabatoged by marketing because while many WANT change and something fresh, there are others who see any change is bad in turn we get the same formula over and over again which can lead to heavy burnout. I'm still salty Treasure Planet got done dirty by the marketing team [though was a hella good movie that now has a sizeable cult following] and hate that they sabotage the sci fi genre.
Mark Elliot, ❤❤❤❤❤❤ my day program sis Lisa was just talking about this! Even Mario is starting to look better than the average Mouse House movie! No wonder Burton left them…
Saber: Was Strange World SABOTAGED by Disney? Everyone: Yes, yes it was
I want to see this. Sadly the local theater closed in 2019. I have a theory that Disney's movies that aren't musicals are never really marketed right. Zootopia was a success because of its message and Big Hero 6 is Marvel adjacent. Disney does have a problem with releasing a movie theatrically and then people deciding I'll wait for it to come to streaming.
I hate that whenever we exist it’s political we literally cannot exist without it being labeled as some sort of agenda
Who is we
@@nobodycares607 LGBTQ+ people, I imagine...and if so, they've got a point-
@@George_Fl0yd Oh not you again.
@@starwaves1631 😈*manically cackles*
Conservatives love repressing people
My dad and I saw this in theaters just a few days ago. We both had a really good time, and my dad even started to tear up a bit. I truly hate that Disney hasn't promoted this movie harder, cuz while not a masterpiece, it's a really fun story with alot of heart.
It would still flop buddy. Just because two leftist enjoyed the movie, doesn't mean the majority of the world wouldn't. Lightyear was promoted, and guess what it flopped hard
@@TropicaIJay Sometimes y'all need to touch grass and not think that everything is a political message.
@@jared.mohammed This movie IS A MESSAGE. the first thing I heard about this movie is "it has the first gay Main character" lmao get outta here. And please don't try the touch grass joke with me, I work mon-fri
@@TropicaIJay Where did you get "leftists" from? My dad is a republican, and I myself am somewhere in the middle. Not that it should even matter, since the movie wasn't a political story anyway. Am I missing something?
@@TropicaIJayno one cares bout your work bro and someone being gay is not a fricking "message" it's just how life is. get real
Wasn't by any means a horrible film I loved the sci Fi feel to it but we also coulda gone without it. Let's not forget they actually killed a guy off to in the movie which isn't unusual but it was also kinda random 🤣😱
It could be way better if they developed their themes well.
The movie got some good ideas, but the execution is not very good.
No man’s sky: the movie
I generally enjoyed this movie and really enjoyed the scene where the grandfather was told by the grandson he has a boy he likes and is naturally like "Well this is how you impress the fella" that kinda immediate and natural acceptance and the grandson being able to say it openly other than being shy about admitting he has a crush. That scene was so sweet and cute that I now fantasize that that was how it was like for me.
Fake as hell. No parent is happy about his son is gay and he would never have grandchildren.
@@russianhomecat3313 Sounds like you're just having issues with yourself that you're taking out on gay people to be honest
@@WhoJizzedInYourMilkshake As adult I have nothing against gay people, but I won’t tolerate gay relationships in a movie for young kids.
@@russianhomecat3313 Why? Sounds like you've got quite a lot against gay people lmao
@@WhoJizzedInYourMilkshake I don’t mind but a perspective to give birth to a gay son or daughter makes me scared to death.
I went to see it with my mom, since she was really interested in the visual side of it from the one and only ad we saw of it months ago. And I think you're right, it's a decent movie. It's pretty cute, the world is nice to look at and we had fun watching it.
The lack of advetisment definetly seems purpousfull.
You know, now that you mention it, I actually have seen a lot of marketing for this movie, but it's all been at the theaters before other Disney properties. I swear they've been running ads for at least a year. To the point where I saw it before Wakanda Forever and thought "Why are they still showing trailers for a movie that must already be out of theaters"
I saw the trailers pretty solidly on YT for a couple weeks.
Didn't draw me in then, doesn't draw me in now.
If Treasure Planet was the movie that confirmed that Disney's first renaissance of the 90s was long gone, then Strange World represent another dissapointing movie, possibly marking the end of Disney's second renaissance of the 2010s
ironic considering both films released 10 years apart from eachother
the second renaissance tecnically ended with Raya, but for me, it ended with WIR 2.
@@ClaudetteVioletta Lion King and every live action that came after
I’d like to see the return of classic style 2D animation, especially since you can CG a Classic Hand Drawn style film.