The Arc that broke MHA
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0:00:00 - Intro
0:01:43 - Part I
0:08:47 - Part II
0:30:02 - Interlude I
0:35:44 - Interlude II
0:56:58 - Interlude III
0:58:04 - Part III
1:13:15 - Final Part
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Love it when someone understands the responsibility they have with their voice.
I will say that I disagree with many of you points so instead of just leaving a comment. I will make a video rebutting some of you points. I probably will use parts of this video if that’s okay with you.
I feel like the only way for SOME of theses issues to be fixed is through the anime. I hope that when the anime adapts the later parts of the story, bones is able to change some of the plot. Not by much, but make it better than what we got in the manga. Or even better they can add in some filler episodes to add on to the story and add in new plot points that weren't in the manga.
I mean, there are plenty of reasons to not be a weekly mangaka
I love how the comment is dated a day ago, while the video been out for 6 hours
The fact that this entire series takes in place in one year of the students school highlights how badly Horikoshi paces the story. By now, Class A should be seniors and it would show that they're finally ready to become heroes. Instead of freshman who just keep getting lucky or sporadically power boosted
Facts, they should be Seniors-college level students by now, are they really about to have a series where the students doesn’t grow up???
Bruh what? In universe it’s been nearly three years sense the start of MHA.
Izuku and Bakugo start the serious off in their last year of middle school and are stated to be 14 year olds. Currently Izuku is 16 going on 17 while Bakugo is 17.
@@xavierrivera3407 nah it's only one school year
Its actually their 2nd year technically
Seconded. The story should be paced like Harry Potter - we see the characters grow physically, mentally, and emotionally with each year, culminating in the final school year being the final arc. Had Hori went with this route, it would utterly avert the need for a timeskip because we see 1A and 1B grow.
Instead, he wrote himself into a corner by making 1A being the entire center and having arcs resolved very rapidly while not giving us not much time to feel the aftermath.
I think the largest problem the show and maybe even shonen at large is their inability to go through with serious consequence and that just gets worse as mha continues. Once u start bringing dead characters back it’s the point of no return
That’s what I’m thinking too.
I always think back to Full metal alchemist whenever I see this happened.
Nina happened at the very start of that series. (All versions/manga) Same with the failed attempt to revive their mother.
Both are traumatic events that stick with the characters. When the brothers comment about not being able to save even a little girl. Literally months after it would of happened. You feel the impact that had on them.
When Al questions his reality, you feel Ed anger as we know what he went through to save Al.
Hell the title “‘full metal” alchemist’ is literally titled after the title (take a shot when I type title) Ed gets since he lost limbs at the start and got metal prosthetics.
There much more that happens and continues to impact the plot later one. The rebellion you see in the first few episodes come back towards the end.
But there aren’t many shows I can think of that do this as well. Avatar the last air bender is the only other one I can think of.
Both build up to a perfect conclusion imo.
Exactly. I honestly think Bleach was ahead of it’s time, since people actually stayed dead and there was consequences that actually occurred in the series. If C46 actually did something about Kikyo’s death, Tosen never would’ve rebelled. If Yamamoto actually killed Yhwach during the first war, he never would’ve came back. Hell, the Hell arc is a perfect example. The Shinigami has sent people down to Hell repeatedly, and without Aizen and Yhwach, the balance of the universe is now beginning to collapse.
HxH is peak.
@@RimuruSolosYourMultiversewhere Gon makes a covenant but is fine after a deus ex machina saves him in a filler arc lol
@@fettypaige4551it’s been awhile but I do remember Gon losing all his Nen because of what he did in the last arc. There WAS consequences for his actions
I wish Horikoshi, after AM lost his quirk, had the power to just say “f%#$ it, I’m taking a few months off to rest and plan the rest of the series, see you all next year.”
Would probably have helped a bunch with the pacing and overall structure.
Pulling a HxH a few years ago would've been the move. I know most people would complain about it but I genuinely think the end of the war arc should've been when he went on hiatus to get recuperated.
I agree. Hori needed the break but for some reason he didn't take one and now mha is a mess.
@@zemox2534Have you people seen the fan base? They went crazy over shippings, imagine if the man actually had taken a break
Sorry only Oda gets to do that and I'm sure Shonen jump was kicking and screaming every single week they had to wait for their best seller to return
With how Japan's media industry is. That's not an option.
The explosion of the mansion is literally that one simpsons joke where the nuclear facility staff almost dies because of a bunch of escalating safety measures having been cut, only for the show to transition to a guy saying „I won‘t bore you with the details of our miraculous escape“.
Who knew horokoshi was such a Simpsons fan he even turned his manga into a joke
you know another show that did that? thirteen reasons why 4th season 😭 that's a bad sign. a really really bad sign
@@alexyloph0ne297 whats worse is that even the anime episode skipped that part, not even the anime acred about showing them escaping, it just goes to the theme song and boom! In a warehouse
I really hope anime goes FMA 2003 route and goes into original content and improve the story.
By the way, I cannot BELIEVE we skipped over the students reaction and “recovery period” after the war arc. We NEEDED to have a bit of time with the students together or something. Or hell! Midnights funeral! God damn man.
Oh yeah, my biggest issue with bnha is the fact how they put aside traumas and such, like with everything that happened I'm surprised that no one got therapy or dropped 1-A after feeling the danger for real.
my dude there was no "recovery period", they haven't stopped since the war, the funerals will come after japan is actually sorta safe again
It confuses me how so many people will complain about the license exam arc cause "why do we care about these story details when there is a clear and present villain threat" basically asking for a time skip and then they actually go through with a short time skip and just as many people complain that the story details everyone bitched about wasting time with are now being skipped over.
I think the story and pacing are doing just fine. I think too many people have been complaining about every narrative choice MHA makes or could have made and that no matter what choices they make they are going to get a vocal backlash for it. Tempering my expectations for the story with that knowledge has let me enjoy the story for what and why it is.
I remember the memes that were immediatly after the war arc were like:hahaha. Mha therapy. And thise aged badly as the average 2000's comedy movie
@@dragonwaz It confuses you because every brain cell in your head is dead. I can tell, because you're incapable of realising that the people asking for what you're whining about and OP are in very different groups.
Of course, you think the current writing in MHA is fine, so it's not like anybody needed to look too deeply to tell that you're pretty stupid.
My biggest problem with the series is that timeline is crunched into a single year there isnt enough slice of life or time spent actually living in the world the manga creates. Its the reason i like the fanfics that give the world and characters the depth it both needs and deserves.
Yeah that's one of the wildest parts of all this.
nah man, one piece did it great even before the timeskip, why? because oda decided to take his time develop the world and the characters. kohei looked like he can't and doesn't want to
@@mister420blazeit2 It’s especially sad because MHA is actually a result of Horikoshi wanting to expand on his “My Hero” one shot he did back in 2009.
And like you said, seems like either he doesn’t know how to expand on the setting he created and pace the story like Oda does with One Piece, or external factors like health made him feel burnt out and he wanted to end it.
That’s probably one of the worst parts of modern mha, do we even know what most of the characters do in their free time other than some of volume bonuses
@@Tiny_Tango Yes we do, we've actually been exposed to what the main cast does in their spare time, both through episodes visually and them explaining it verbally. I wouldn't want to see every characters free time in this type of shonen
A problem i always had with Mha is how fast deku got a handle with ofa and his classmates weren't even growing at the same pace as him. The kids who've had their quirks their entire lives suck at using their quirks more than the guy who's had his for only a few months
Because deku is a boring, bland, Gary Sue character that is made to be a savior with zero flaws. This is why people end up liking characters like bakugo and todoroki more because they have actual flaws to work on and aren't inherently a walking chunk of morally righteous plot armor that will suddenly drop all of the supposed drawbacks of his abilities for the sake of plot (remember how deku used to get injured from using his attacks and he was at risk of losing arms, yeah, that happened).
Funnily enough, I don't mind if Deku is a gary stu. I have read and liked fanfiction where it is dialed up to 100. What I don't like, is how he just isn't allowed to do cool stuff with it, and the rest of the world doesn't acknowledge it or be blindsided by it. Have your demigod MC if you want, just make him interesting ,or make him do something interesting.
He wasn't mastering it beyond what others had he was catching up, the others were at 100% already because that's the minimum in this world, it just doesn't seem like that because of how strong ofa is.
the others arent at 100%, theyre going to ua so they can get to 100%. theyre still progressing, just not as significantly as deku is
@@danielridore2336 no it doesnt. Both of those kids are going to business school to get richer. They both would want to get rich
ochako's motivation is to bring her family out of debt. You cannot say her motivation is lesser than deku', therefore she isnt progressing at the same pace
the argument that deku only now getting his quirk and therefore has a better growth spurt doesnt make sense either. you see todoroki only starting to use his fire power seriously at the start of the series, yet compared to deku his fire still doesn't hit the same. the only reason deku is progressing at such pace is because hes the main character with the best quirk of them all
There's something sad about the rushed ending, Dabi. His greatest pain was that the world did not care about his suffering and endeavour. And in the end, despite the excellent execution of his revelation, it failed because in addition to endeavour and his family, nobody cares. The audience doesn't care too much about it because they need endeavour, Deku and Shoto's friend are too busy to care. In the end, Dabi's desire to hold ENDEAVOR accountable for his actions (other than self-imposed guilt, the lowest of punishments honestly) mattered to no one.
Exactly. As a huge fan of Dabi and Endeavor, this bothers me greatly. I don't necessarily mind the idea that something may have always been wrong with Toya and that he's both a victim and an asshole who is fine with the entire world burning because of his issues. Especially because a lot of media excuses victims far too easily for their own destructive behavior. But I also feel that him being an asshole is becoming the main argument. Toya's grievances of Enji are still legit. Even if the way he chooses to deal with it makes him a bigger monster than his father.
At least so far, we don't see too much fallout for Enji, except a confrontation by the press and him wearing a disguise because he's afraid of being seen by the public. What's more, the way Dabi is now framed as a problem that Shoto is taking care of rids the story of all the obvious parallels between Enji and Toya. As much as Toya hates his father, he's also the child that takes after him most: someone who wants to fulfill his goals, whatever the cost. All further interactions should be between Endeavor and Dabi: Shoto is just utterly incidental in all of it. It'd be extremely interesting to see a scenario where Toya has the horrifying realization that while he may have ruined his father's life (perhaps deservedly so), the lengths he went to caused him to ruin his own as well and surprise, he can't actually just die and check out of the consequences on his own terms. But nope, gotta finish this story fast now! Who cares about one of the most compelling side stories anymore?
To be honest when Dabi's backstory was revealed it kinda felt like the character was thrown under the bus because of Endeavor's redemption arc. Before that Dabi seemed a lot more sympathetic because he was seen as a sad abused child who was never good enough for his father or whatever. But now he's apparently just a psychopath instead and Endeavor did nothing wrong. Not that the author doesn't have the right to write his characters in any way he wants, but it kinda felt more like he was scared that showing Endeavor in a bad light would ruin any sympathy the readers had for him and his redemption arc.
I don't necessarily mind the redemption itself, but I also don't really understand why it had to be Endeavor. There are so many actually interesting characters that could've had far more compelling redemption arcs than he did. Not to mention that lots of readers actually like those characters, unlike Endeavor who practically everyone hated until his redemption arc.
@@edgeofduality7920 I am really scared that horikoshi end the serie with dabi diying probably not by shoto's hand along with endeavor and the end the story ends tellings us that the todoroki family is in the path of healing,when both events should damaged them forever even more
@@edgeofduality7920 It wasn't that drastic of a shift.
Dabi isn't just a psychopath, and Endeavor isn't free of blame. The former was unstable early on, but only because the latter placed all of his dreams onto him and then ditched him when he couldn't fulfill them. Endeavor wanting to keep Dabi from burning himself makes him less of a hate sink and more complex. He's not pure evil, but he himself admitted that he can only show his kids "the world of heroes." He was a terrible father, and Dabi became unstable because Endeavor was pumping out kids in an obvious attempt to replace him with a more perfect child. Imagine how damaging that would be to a young Dabi who had his father's admiration yanked away.
@@VeWatchesVideos @Nutella Ninja
Yeah, you guys are right. I guess I just like Dabi more than Endeavor so I was disappointed that he was portrayed the way he was.
I think Horikoshi lowkey forgot that Chisaki losing his hands didn't make him quirkless genetically, and that's the only reason AFO didn't take Overhaul.
Yeah it's stupid
Is this Araki Forgot all over again?
@@javitelee9562 Except Araki makes good pacing and stories.
@@yourflyisopen When he forgets, he does not
@@javitelee9562 idk go check out hamon beats Arabic forgot debunks
No one's gonna mention the one-shot he made before MHA? It's basically the same premise (no-quirk guy wants to be a hero in a hero society), but the main character never gets a quirk. He works together with others to be just as useful as other people in society and its a really touching and fun story that highlights how disability makes you no less ambitious and no less of a person.
I feel like MHA held this theme early on and came close to expanding on it, but lost its way and became a generic super-hero comic.
I kinda feel weirded out when I first started this series, Deku is part of this oppressed group that get get bullied cuz they're different and I thought the series was gonna go for one of those "don't need powers to be a hero" stories but he gets one and the whole quirkless thing with the show just...evaporates? Like the quirkless still exist but the whole shtick is just brushed under the rug. I hated it cuz it enforces the fact that the quirkless really can't be anything without a power message that was drilled to Deku but then later the show does a 180 when it showed that support items could out right beat quirks during the tournament arc. There's also the fact that most in Class-A students are pretty much under-leveled compared to Deku cuz if they wanted to make him an underdog guy who needs to catch up to his peers with his given power, they should've made his classmates be prodigies who leaves him in the dust, cuz not even a few chapters later he already dogpiles lot of them despite just receiving his quirk that it didn't even look like a challenge for him.
What I hate is Deku is just like All Might. He ignores the Depressed and Suicidal. There was a Deadpool comic where he rescues a Girl from committing suicide and it was really good. Couldn’t even have Deku meet a Quirkless.
He faced Real discrimination and yet when he got Power. He abandoned his fellow men and woman.
He knows how hard it is for Quirkless Kids yet because he has a Quirk and is a Superhero he forgets about them and let’s them wallows in Depression and Suicide and dosent care.
And thus he can’t Ever be a Superhero because he actively ignores the most Suicidal.
@@devildolphin2102 Tbh, All might was kind of a douche when he told Deku he can't be a hero(despite good intentions). For one he himself was quirkless and likely knew the discrimination Deku faces and how damaging it is to say to a kid who obviously worships you. The there is also the fact that All-Might could actually help him since we have been shown in the show, support items can beat quirks in this world, and who is All-Might connected to? The Shields...so yeah both of Deku and All-Might sucked and reinforced the belief that having no power means you are useless.
@@themage1016
Oh yeah. The fact Deku forgave all might do quickly after he brutally told an Oppressed Teenager who routinely gets discriminated against to give up on his dreams and Being “disabled” IE Normal will always define him was borderline.
And I think it showcases Horikoshi weakness. He can’t let Characters suffer for their actions. They will always get a get out of Jail free card and Will never face consequences.
@@devildolphin2102 How are quirkless people the *most* suicidal?
I was kinda hoping we'd get Class 1A going from Year 1 students all the way to Year 3, mastering their powers and getting a lot of character growth and development while the villains slowly attain power and become a legitmate threat, and just take out the pro heroes slowly while the students improve. Certainly would've made the final battle more interesting with everyone at their peak against the villains at their peak with the stakes escalated with almost all the pro heroes getting killed or taken out.
blame toxic fans for it.Nowadays most anime's or manga are being ended fast or rushed,like demon slayer too.
Earlier mangas
@@dragoncat5767 I don't think this is fans and more executives breathing on creators necks to produce stuff without any pause and trying to follow an already made path, what makes any creative work sucks by a lot, and let's not forget the magakas have zero control on their stories many times being telled to change characters because "X is more popular than Y" and like the structure of MHA feels incredible artificial and paint by the numbers, and I doubt this isn't a sigh of the creator being too tired to even think what he should do next so they just copy what already worked from other series, these stories should have a pause of at least some months so the creator can recharge not only physically but mentally and have new experiences they can put in their stories.
I mean I think even the timing of the war would have been fine if we gave it some room to breathe, and gave the students time to finish the school, it would narritively satisfy the idea that the old system is failing ang only those who fully became heroes in the darkest hour can fix it
Yep
Completely agree. Feeling cheating over here that the story wasn't given the development and room ti breathe that it deserved
Horikoshi really exhibited his love for american comics and Star Wars movies.
By replicating all their flaws
What American Comics have you read? Invincible and Saga have never done what Hori is doing.
@@zgoat8573 really odd examples to use.
@@zgoat8573 marvel and dc mate.
@@cseijifja
Specifically doing the Mary Sue trope
@@zgoat8573this mofo don’t know what marvel and dc is💀
This sure sounds a whole lot like what happened to Game of Thrones.
"We need the story to end immediately, so no more slow complex story-telling, just speedrun it"
Similar thing happened to Bleach too and with that it was even worse because it was so much longer. Fans had spend over a decade just for a shitty send off that felt and was rushed.
Funny how I hate the Bleach ending but like the GoT ending, when basically the same problem happened to them both.
Though one difference is that Bleach disrespected its characters, while GoT’s characters mostly ended up where they reasonably should be.
@@astraldirectrix No
GOT show runners were always talentless hacks, but they had the book material which brought them to season 4, that’s why it’s mostly good up through season 3, 4 had some cracks but was still good, and it’s a steady nosedive from 5 onward, ending with them rushing to the finish line to just put it out of its misery.
@@jerric1228 okay, but season 6 was _hype_ tho
I honestly feel Hori wants to just end it because he grew burned out. It sucks that has to be this way, because MHA was my favorite out of the new gens. There could be loads of reason why it's this way ( mangeka work schedule, mental exhaustion, health concerns, etc).
We really don't know what's going on behind the scenes. At the end of the day, it's Hori decision and I have to just to respect it. I hate it, but we can't force a man who doesn't want to continue.
Holy sh!t literally every comment is the same three comments.
I think that too, those kind of things happen very very frequently....sadly manga/anime industry has no pity for anyone
The man has been writing the same characters for 8 years now. Maybe he just grew bored of it all. The explanation doesn't have to be as drastic as health concerns even though that's also a big possibility (just look at Togashi). And I also think the new editor has 100% to do with it. But in the end, and as a writer myself, I just can't imagine writing the same shit for 8 years. I would be understanding if that was the case.
Arthur Conan Doyle, basically the father of modern serialized storytelling, also grew tired of writing Sherlock Holmes eventually.
If only he could just take a break instead and come back whenever he felt like writing MHA again. Classic manga industry moment.
@@henriquegalindo9659 bruh.
MHA changed its theme abruptly.
AFO vs OFA was a battle of ideals. Then it changed into Battle between old vs new gen.
Then it changed into a Villain vs Hero theme.
The reason many rallied behind AFO in his prime because he was someone who can take away Quirk and give away quirk. He was a cult leader.
He went from an intelligent cult figure to a megalomaniac Demon Lord.
I think it's insane that despite being 300+ chapters long when you compare it to the things it's ran alongside like KNY, CSM, and JJK it genuinely feels like barely anything has really happened simply because of how abhorrent the pacing is
It doesn't help that everything is crammed so tightly into one year either
@@KonoGufo It’s like everything, since the joining of UA, has happened by a ‘week by week basis’.
There’s some indication of time progression, but it makes it hard to tell when so much has happened within a year.
(Let’s consider the War Arc their end of the year exam)
@@trika91 Right? Honestly I wonder if some of that is Hori's weekly release schedule in his own life affecting the way he paces events in his world. Like things have to keep consistently happening without intervals of too much time (and when time does pass it's skipped over 95% of the time), when the story would be able to breathe and develop so much more naturally if he allowed the storyline to unfold along with the students journeys in life.
Wrapping up the story of their hero academia without hardly covering more than the first year of said academia is a straight up scam of a premise lmao.
@@KonoGufo yk what’s worse? Deku says that he became the worlds greatest hero and all, but based on how the series is going it’s most likely gonna end with it him being an adult… but we won’t see how he is in the future. If they had made it where we can see his progress during the years, than I wouldn’t be complaining about us not being able to see some potential about how adult deku acts, but so far nada shows a lot of his potential.
@Funnycat 77 worse than that, it's like if the ENTIRETY of Naruto happened when he was a child
Dr. Garaki: "Wait so... AFO, why did you groom and raise Tomura into the next you?"
AFO: "We do a little trolling ;)"
AFO: “Doctor, is everything ready for giving my quirk to Tomura and having a copy of my memories take control of his body?”
Dr. Garaki: “Yes master, everything is ready. We can begin immediately.”
AFO: “Excellent”
Dr. Garaki: …
AFO: …
Dr. Garaki: “Would you like me to begin the procedure?”
AFO: “WHAT?! Of course not. We still have to wait.”
Dr. Garaki: “Wait for what exactly?”
AFO: “Well obviously we can’t enact my plan until Tomura has proven himself to Gigantomachia.”
Dr. Garaki: “ … Is … Is that really necessary?”
AFO: “Necessary? Why good doctor, it is obviously crucial to the entire plan.”
Dr. Garaki: “Oh uh, right, how … how silly of me.”
1.5 months later
AFO: “Alright Doctor, now that Tomura has become and independent leader who thinks for himself, has proven himself to Gigantomachia, and assembled his own villain organization, we can at long last enact my plan to have an entirely separate copy of my memories take control of Tomura’s body so that it can use his hatred to steal OFA so that this other me will at long last be strong enough to defeat Star and Stripe and steal her quirk, allowing this other me to become the sole provider of oil, electricity, and other resources in Japan.”
Dr. Garaki: “… Master, I’m starting to think that losing the top half of you head might have possibly caused some minor brain damage.”
AFO: “What makes you say that?”
"We do a little trolling" - based quote
@@whitedespairblackhope9159 This interaction would amplify the comedy and atmosphere in the story.
I get that you're joking, but they're waiting for Shigaraki to get the full version of Decay back, which would be proof his mental blockage is gone. And Garaki is using Gigantomachia as both a way to try and drag that out of him, and to see whether or not Shigaraki deserves his help, because he knows how loyal to AFO Machia is@whitedespairblackhope9159
I do agree that they really glossed over details in the villain hunt. Like we never even got real reactions from Enji on what his thoughts were with OFA. He's just moved past and works to help Izuku.
I feel as if it would have added nothing to his character. By the time OFA is revealed, endeavor was already over his obsession with All Might and power.
@@mangamandrew true. But the bigger one skipped is the downward spiral and exhaustion Izuku burns himself into. Let alone the other heroes. Like we see him taking down Muscular, but he looked tired before then.
@@jfb173jb It’s not that it was skipped. We see the spiral and it was fast. A downward spiral is not always slow. And for a character like Deku, the spiral can’t be slow. When he took down Muscular, he was not really tiered. That was the start of him leaving Japan.
And the other heroes are exhausted but Deku pushed past his exhaustion and that was the issue.
@@mangamandrew stop making excuses for the bad writing dude, just admit you're an mha fanboy.
@@user-pi8pi3wj7h the stuff with solo Deku was not bad writing. People just had expectations that it would be longer and don’t like that it was as short as it is. That’s not bad writing.
I won’t say the writing in MHA is the best; their are faults but I don’t think that the stuff with Deku is bad writing.
The idea of Shigaraki addressing the entire army about Twice's death, telling them that the heroes have once again ripped something dear from them all and having his death act as a spark for their fury could have really impacted the story.
Also Shiggy should have totally killed AFO.
I like the idea of Shigaraki killing AFO. It cuts the biggest loose end he has to deal with, while also enforcing a power gap, showing Shigaraki can do what no one was able to.
SPOILERS IN READ MORE.
The fact that it was Bakugo who did it also serves a purpose, so I'm pretty content with that. Bakugo couldn't help in season 3, when he was captured. He tore himself up for being responsible for the demise of All Might as a hero back then. Now he's crushed that, in his victory over All for One. Still annoyed that he didn't die when his heart literally exploded. It would've saved a lot of things the show lost in terms of stakes and grandeur.
AFO should have been killed in the Kamino Ward arc. That should have been the end of him. Both his story and All Might's should have ended at that point.
@@SotiCotothank God you didn't write MHA, because that sounds horrible
AFO is basically that reverse flash meme, every major bad thing that happened in the series is his fault somehow, i wouldn't be surprise if he said "It was me Midoriya, i took your quirk so you would meet all might and then handed OFA to me".
"Midoryia, I was the reason your parents met, so you could met All Might. I always watched you since you were born !"
Man tried to pull an Aizen.
@@Phantom_Zone at least Aizen was swaggy af when he did it.
fuck i miss Aizen
@@ma1ist When Aizen said 'It was me!' you'd be like, 'You sick bastard'.
But when AFO says, 'it was me', we are like, 'ugh!'.
@@Phantom_Zone
yes exactly. i would get wet for Kubos writing and incomplete white panels. mf literally dressed everyone in white and drew like no buildings or structures
There was a solution to the All For One problem that was so obvious that it immediately raised red flags to me when the story didn't do it at Tartaros: Shigaraki killing All For One.
Were this to happen, it certainly wouldn't solve every problem, but it would provide a semi-coherent compromise between maintaining the element of All For One not wanting to give up his place in the world and letting Shiggy maintain his agency. Had this happened, several important things would have been different:
1. All For One's relationship with Shiggy would have been strategically made parallel to All Might and Deku's. While All Might accepted that his time was past and worked to let Deku take on the mantle, All For One held on past his prime for so long that it killed him. Shiggy exacts his agency and kills his master, completing his journey to becoming the series big bad.
2. Saving Tenko is neither predicated on beating up All For One nor the only possible end. It's suddenly up in the air whether that could happen at all, and if Deku does decide to do it, it becomes a lot more complex of a problem to solve. It would have to involve confronting the inherent issues with the hero system and society at large now that the BBEG is not around to be the scapegoat anymore.
3. The League's character traits continue to be front and center. Spinner, Dabi, and Toga have more or less been sidelined since All For One reentered the story, so giving them real character motivations for the last two arcs would have been a lot easier. Not only that, but Shigaraki would have had to deal with the fallout of each of them having different goals and the consequences of letting his companions do whatever they want.
4. As the UA traitor, Aoyama's position becomes a lot more complicated. All For One is no longer hanging over him, so now the only thing keeping him from telling his secret is his own conscience. This would make his role in the story more personal and satisfying.
This act wouldn't solve the problems with pacing and Deku's characterization, but it would make the stakes of the final war a lot more interesting, to the point where I was shocked when it didn't happen and genuinely believed it still would until recently.
This is exactly right, and it would make the traitor arc all the more fitting as well. The traitor story vanished because, Aoyama had nobody to report to. He was a spy without a handler; only held down by his own shame.
At this point someone would have to make a fanfic AU about that happening now.
@@downix I’m personally sad we never got a Kurogiri reunion with Shiggy and AFO, yeah he’s compromised after the reveal that he’s Oboro and Aizawa’s old friend but we still knew him as Kurogiri long before he was revealed to be Oboro so it kind of sucks we didn’t get that reunion in Tartarus. Even if it’s to ditch him since he’s compromised.
I'd freaking Loved that Idea!! If Shigaraki broke into Tartarus , gathers up the escape prisoners into his and meets his Sensei one last time before dusting him with Decay. AFO’s final moments being laughing insanity knowing he’s created a true Demon Lord with nothing holding him back anymore.
This Shigaraki growth parallels with Deku’s growth with their powers reaching new levels but now they both have to start over in a new playing field.
You could even have all for one as threat around via his quirk and talking to him and whispering to him. But one less body to take care of and challeng for shigaraki, that it truely could e a battle of wills going one, not afo taking over.
And the ones dont accepting shiggy and the ones who do and ensuring chaos could even e a reason to strik fast. as long as he isnt solidified.
Shiggy killing AFO is something I predicted as soon as AFO was arrested in S3 and I was very excited to see it happen eventually... Then it didn't happen.
Especially after he learns that AFO killed his grandma
Well I’d say there’s still a chance for it to happen. I think what’s gonna bring Tomura back is all might. Not from words of wisdom but like I’m seeing him I think Shigarakis hatred will grow to the point it will eclipse the all for one vestige. And then after, all might probably dead
I don't understand how everyone "expected" shiga to become this ultra-powerful, autonomous demon king doing whatever he wished when the literal CONSTANT of his character were his utterly weak willpower and the fact that he served as a vessel for others ambitions. He's never had a single original thought or action this entire series, where do you guys get the idea that he's just going to usurp the big bad position?
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no well I didn't say that he would know what to do with all that power 😂
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no I think people would be less mad is Afo wasn’t a shit character. Cus we’ve effectively replaced a good one with a bad one. I don’t care if it makes sense for the story, which in my opinion it doesn’t. If the character replacing him sucks it makes no difference on if it makes sense the experience just isn’t fun. Ngl the whole Shigaraki Afo dynamic right now reminds me of Vass and Hoyte from far cry 3
They made a big point with Nagant that the Hero Commission sometimes secretly executed villains. So then… why wasn’t All For One quietly exterminated?
Honestly I think afo is like the only exception to that, it's afo. No one else was likely capable of doing anything.
@@crazybeatrice4555 And I wouldn't be suprised if nobody wanted to be the executioner because there is no neat list of the quirks he has- god knows if he can break out at any point he wants but he is just sitting there and waiting for a specific event.
I don't give a shit if I have a 50 cal rifle that will track my target through space and time at any distance until it hits them if the dude I am trying to execute might have some sort of quirk that will mirror that damage to me, self-detonate himself at a nuclear destructive level or something more insane I am not risking it.
@@KenanTheFabI could also see the Hero Commission fearing societal backlash. I'm not intimately familiar with the world, but if the HC is _secretly_ killing villains, they may want to keep it on the down low for fear of the public questioning how they decide who gets killed, why they have that power, etc. If All For One gets executed or "dies in custody," they're going to have a hard time explaining that away without the truth of their secret executions coming out.
you cant kill the most evil person in the history of history !!! yoiu'll become just like them !!!! i love shonen
Plot
I think I can safely add this series to my mental list of "The Fanfiction will outlive the actual story."
And honestly? I'm not even mad. The world of My Hero Academia is so easy to access from a ground level that making fan OC creations became even easier than it usually is for these sorts of stories. The setting is inherently interesting from the word GO. A world that's so damn obsessed with superheroes that it's FULLY willing to paper over the cracks in the pavement that people can slip through can create any number of fan-driven scenarios. Who would we be if we were in this story? Would we love superheroes like the general populace or would the broken nature of turning good deeds into a business model and popularity contest disgust us?
The characters with their distinct and strong personalities ARE THERE. The setting with themes that make us stop and think IS THERE. The sheer open-ended nature of quirks basically being ANYTHING we can imagine IS THERE.
But it began to crumble under the weight of making this world make sense in a narrative that satisfies over time. The idea you touched on with passing the torch being dropped in order to make the Evil Business Potato Man be the main antagonist again "because reasons" crystalizes this issue in my mind. My Hero Academia can't do everything it wants to do because it never had the space needed to BREATHE. Interesting plot points being dropped left and right in order to accelerate the main cast to something resembling an ending. Lingering stories that could invest us if we learned more? Best case scenario is just shoving them into Vigilantes and hoping people stop complaining to us.
I'm going to bring up the big one. One Piece. Yes, it's going on and on AND ON and is only RECENTLY setting up the grand finale for a story that's run since the damn 90's but it had something critical. The time needed to FULLY flesh out characters. Is it perfect? Of course not. A story running that long will have lots of loose plot devices and arcs that are either hastily tied together or set aside. But the sheer LENGTH of the story means that even the wackiest and loosest written characters were given time to show why they became the people they were. How time would change them and let them grow as people in a way that makes sense. My Hero Academia seems to be SCREAMING out for more time to develop what it has already but isn't being listened to.
The world of One Piece is wide and varied with a LOT of different elements to explore.
The world of My Hero Academia is wide and varied with a LOT of different elements to explore.
One was given the time in the oven needed to have even the most insane elements make sense over time. Or at the very least be coherent.
One was not given that same luxury.
To quote Benny from Fallout New Vegas:
"The game was rigged from the start."
Funny thing is, OP gets bigger as it went on.
RWBY and MHA are two series I enjoyed that after a while I knew the fanfiction had better plotlines with more well written stories.
Even if half to seventy five percent of the fics are porn with plot.
@@isengarde9490the only reason fanfics have better plotlines is because they already base their stories on the actual characters. Almost no fanfic author could ever write something half as connected and well written as MHA from scratch, that's a fact
@@thegreatestoctopus9739 And this 'fact' (Which is logically not fact but opinion) is based off of a mid shonen anime with RWBY levels of interesting side characters that never get explored?
@@isengarde9490 no it's not an opinion, it's a fact, fanfic writers are only able to explore side characters they like or create new events and almost all of the time they aren't even close to making a story as good as MHA on their own. There are very few fanfics that I have read that are legitimately good, but it's still based on the already existing characters and lore, so it's doubtful that they could create a standalone story as good as MHA completely on their own. And sometimes background characters are meant to be just that, background characters, we don't need to explore every single one of them
"The desire to end itself"
Sometimes I wonder what people thought about Yu Yu Hakusho around the time it ended, because, to me, it almost mirrors what is happening with boku no hero today. We can only hope that if Horikoshi is going to follow Togashi's deed (ending a series because you are tired of it and/or uninterested in working non-stop for decades on a single project) that his "HunterXHunter" will come in the future.
But maybe that's wishful thinking...
Exactly what I thought too. I don't think we will see anything quite as extreme as the YYH finale though, where the final fight for Yusuke was about 2-3 pages only to transition to the next chapter with him waking up in the hospital and getting a recap of what happened off screen. But yeah this hastiness is gonna make the finish line of MHA have some bumps that's for sure.
It is worth noting though that the Three Demin Kings arc of YYH was more expanded on in the anime incarnation, and even came up with a more tasteful use of that final Yusuke fight that doesn't feel so abrupt. So I wonder if the MHA anime team might do something similar for the Final Act of MHA...
@@fawfulmark2 that could be a good compromise for Horikoshi, to supervise the Anime production and give some notes on how to expand certain scenes or plot lines. Even One piece, in a not so extreme fashion, is using the Anime to expand on stuff he didn't flesh out properly on the pages
Horikoshi did say that he wanted to do a horror series. I would love to see Horikoshi let loose with a darker storytelling. Wishful thinking but I hope he takes a long break and come back better than before.
@@UnravelGhoulx He has the artistic skill to do it.
@@fawfulmark2 even anime version of 3 kings fells rushed.
The story should just end on chapter black (scrap the demon transformation just kill sensui with teamwork)
During the Villain Hunt, i was always very frustrated with how after just learning about OFA, 1-A just swoops in and talk no jutsu's Deku, even though he could've easily escaped if he wanted too. I wanted them searching for him and breaking down his stubborn self-sacrificial nature to be more time consuming and cover multiple encounters. Like Oceanz said, Deku never actually learns how wrong his actions were beyond simply being a lone wolf. At the end of the day what he was doing was working, and he never actually failed. I think the turn would've been much better if his nature actually ended up causing someone to be hurt or even killed. This would devastate Deku, and then maybe Stain could show up and start criticizing him and breaking down his resolve. Then at that point we can have the encounter where deku encounter's 1-A for the final time and they finally break through to him and bring him home.
Deku was about to be captured before Bakugo and the others showed up, it was shown that he was completely exhausted and people were afraid of him
stain would prasie deku for his selflessness. selflessness is literally the reason he's obssessed with all might. a true hero who puts everyone before himself.
@@jasonjones3328 Yeah, but im talking about a consequences though. consequences are a catalyst for true change in a person. They showed up, so there were none to reflect on. He didnt go back because of that and I dont even think he acknowledged it.
@@VVybie True, but either way it throws a wrench in his development that would have been interesting to see him deliberate. I more or less thought of that on the fly, but i stand by my original point.
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His return is the acknowledgment and I'm sure we'll get more when he finally confronts Shiggy. All of 1A was pretty much telling him that he shouldered too much of the burden and Bakugo even says how exhausted Deku is and that he can't keep going like that. Uraraka's speech which finally breaks him also has her saying that Deku despite it all is just a high school kid that should be doing it alone.
Man, what really hits home about all of this is the section on class 1A. There were so many interesting characters who had their moments early on, but then the story progressed to Deku only, who in my opinion simply does not work as a stand alone character. I miss the times Deku wasn't overpowered and actually had to think and plan, the whole point of his character.
Now the others just talk in the background while he kicks stuff because "wow, so cool, so real!!!"
I reckon the whole series would have been way better if Deku never got a quirk in the first place, and became the best hero without one.
@@ajetc697 that was my first impression as well, apparently that was what Horikoshi wanted to do but he was advised against it by his editor and assistants I think
@@Tiny_Tango Ugh. Such a shame how businessmen get in the way of art all the time. Can't imagine how good the series could have been if he was given more space and freedom.
@@ajetc697 I disagree. I think Deku having to learn how to use his Quirk and overcome how he has a different mindset toward it than people who have had their Quirks all their lives do- thinking of it as a special power he calls upon rather than something he uses as naturally as breathing- makes sense for the story, not to mention that it's harder to make it as a Quirkless hero than one might think- the strongest heroes and villains both have powerful Quirks and the smarts to use them well.
There are things that should have been done better- Deku should have taken longer to learn the other six Quirks- but I think the concept as a whole is solid.
@@artificialaceattorney6822 i think it's boring ngl, like... it would have been able to address the discrimination of mha that is quite literally glossed over(not mutant type quirks i mean quirk less people) and also given our protag a reason to focus on the people around him even more, and with a well paced out story it would be extremely interesting because while he focuses on his classmates and the villains.. kinda, we don't actually develop a lot of those relationships in any meaningful way.. at all, like that could be achieved without the quirklessness, but it would have been a really cool story of triumph despite the odds, not "im quirkless, this is how i became the best superhero in the world, by getting god quirk" like yeah you have to have brains and determination to get there with that quirk, but like, with the character provided, it's not like you even question how he became the number one once you learn about god quirk, to me it'd be much more satisfying to see a story in this world about a quirkless person becoming number one not because he punches and kicks real good, but because he's good with his head and has the charisma to rally his peers alongside him, where the story teaches a lesson about how a society held up by a single pillar is inherently weak, and so they create a "web of supports" of sorts
the concept is solid, but not what i really wanted when i heard "one of the few not super powered people becomes the number one in the world" theres a lot of anime that portrays their character as magicless or ability-less, then it's discovered that they just have the anti of whatever magic that world has, but straight up going "no magic, get bent, figure it out" is just much rarer i think
idk i just think the mc starts out powerless then gains power trope can be fun if it isnt focused on fights, or if thats what was pitched to me from the get go
Remember when class 1A jumped deku to bring him back and everyone had there "Remember when we did this deku and now we want to help you " speech and the whole time I'm thinking deku has barely even talked to most of the class and there acting like they've been best friends forever let me know how rushed and incomplete this story is to me it felt like we were just getting started but NOPE we're close to the end and now I feel empty and that sucks because I loved this world .
It would have been better if the show took place over multiple years, instead it was just one school year and everything felt rushed
Just because you can't get along and care about others easily doesn't mean thats a problem for everyone, I might be incapable of the second but the first is extraordinarily easy.
@@pee_ga8894 and theyre not lovey dovey ALL the time. Im also not lovey dovey all the time with my class and Im a teenager. yet that doesnt stop me from loving and caring for every 28 other student in my class
At this point, I wouldn’t mind a filler season that gives the rest of class A character development arcs.
As pointless as the Naruto fillers were, at least they gave the side characters their day in the limelight.
MHA anime does have filler (like the episode where everyone played detective and solve a “murder” and the episodes of Froppy working with Selkie) but yeah, MHA is one of those anime where a season of filler would have benefitted it, only because it would give characters the spotlight while giving watchers breathing room between arcs, given how the story happens in Deku’s first year alone.
@@kaydee66781 yes espisically NOW of all times it’s been MVA, War 1, Vigilante/Fallout and War 2. A filler with the class A characters where they try to fix up society along with Deku just to give more time to set up plot points before War 2 would have been great
U can do that in your head
I'd prefer if they actually had plot relevance instead of having the Dragon ball syndrome
That could be cool
I will say... Horikoshi sure loves Star Wars. He is a huge fan. So much so, he repeats its problems! Sequels about the perishing of the old guard and the new generation continuing better, different than before? Only to be followed by "Somehow, Palpatine/AFO returned". Truly, a loyal fan.
The route, without a love story, that he pulls a snook on him would be far better
A loyal fan to a shitty fukin franchise
@@marocat4749 AFO Snoked Shiggy.... You're right lol
At the same time AFO was broken free from his prison after the first war arc, while Palpatine should of been dead but for some reason he lived without any evidence or explanation as to how he did.
@@thedillpickleman015 Ther is no boubt that palpatine returning i worse writing and a hiuuge , why ok.
I feel like Horikoshi’s story got way too big too early on for him to handle. Higher ups pressuring him to keep on going so they can make more of a profit from merchandise, movies, and volume sales
Also I feel like the fight with Nagant was overlooked. Deku doubling down to down on All Might’s philosophy over her pretty complex issues within hero society that can’t be punched.
@@themilkman5004 On the topic of Nagant, I feel like the writer created a great new potential plotline with Overhaul and Lady Nagant escaping tartarus together. I'm very surprised they haven't appeared at all since they were captured by Deku, I feel like Overhaul meeting Eri and Mirio again would be a very intriguing point in the story that was just a missed opportunity imo.
I thought it was gonna be revealed that when Deku fought Overhaul that his nerve damage was healed away because of Erie's quirk reversing the nerve damage.
That would’ve made more sense
I find both comfort and eternal unrest in the realization that Hori really didn't plan for AFO to take over again the whole time. Like fuck, man.
On one hand, it confirms to me that I wasn't a total idiot for being invested in Shigaraki. On the other hand, I feel like a total idiot for trusting Hori to stick a landing,
@SleepyWolf this comments wins. This is what people don’t understand. This is Shigaraki’s legacy. Not AFO. And NOT Tenkos.
@SleepyWolf It's funny that you say that, because literally everybody on Mha's reddit thinks AFO is a better villain than Shigaraki.
@SleepyWolf Sorry, I didn't literally mean *all* of them just the majority.
@SleepyWolf It was just the impression I got. I actually agree with you about Shigaraki.
Shigaraki was supposed to be the main villain. But anybody who’s surprised that AFO came back is a fool.
He was smiling after being sent to prison in Kamino. He even told All Might “I’ll get out of here eventually” to taunt him. Lol
15:50 I hate how Hawks killing Twice is entirely forgotten by the hero side after being mentioned a couple times
Well I think that has more to with, it probably isn't thought of as negatively than in other superhero related worlds
@@Dragonds53 true. All Might was taking like he was planning on killing All For One in their fight. Endeavor easily switched from prioritizing capturing to just killing the Nomu. The entire operation of a Paranormal Front war being to make sure Shigaraki stays dead. Etc. It seems like it's pretty accepted when you just have to kill certain people. Deku and Ochaco seem to be the only ones that have emphasis on not killing villians.
Eh, why would the other heroes care?
Hawks sniped the second most dangerous player on the field. If anything he should get a pat on the back.
@@SolarArmadillo yeah it literally is more of a war than just a regular villain vs hero fight. They prob gave him a medal.
Same. I also hate how Hawks didn't get any sort of backlash for basically murdering an individual in cold blood. Like yeah, sure, Twice is a villain, but he's still a human being who needed help. There also isn't any law that stated heroes are allowed to kill in their universe. And Hawks is the No. 2 Hero and a famous public figure- I figured we'd get to see more mixed reactions from the public about him killing someone, particularly from the UA students.
The fact that the time month time skip in the first few episodes was quicker than the rest of the in cannon year long series is kinda insane
I know this comment is two months late but I personally believe that the real issues for MHA started in the Class A vs B Arc. The moment where Deku started to unlock his other quirks _two thirds through the story_ only told me that rather than said quirks being used to make things more interesting, they would only be used as a deus ex machina.
For me that was the point when I dropped the manga. I vividly remember just saying "Oh, fuck that". I admit that I was more a casual reader and did not do in depth analysis, but that felt like a headshot to the ideology building up. I thought the narrative will go to show that instead of having one symbol, or "The Big 3", the new generation will move towards teamwork, and bringing down villians with real joint effort, and promote the idea that people should help each other out, and build a better safety net. Over many years of course, but we would see a change in ideology.
But with Deku getting multiple quirks, it basically said "Nah, Deku's just gonna be the newest biggest hero". Which is essentially what's happening now, with heroes getting their asses kicked and Deku swinging in to handle Shigaraki/OFA.
It can still change, sure, but doesn't seems that way, and the whole storytelling feels burnt out.
Yeah I’m hind sight I agree. He shouldn’t have unlocked all these other quirks. Seeing him come up with strategies around his “wind style” and kicks was cool. Now it’s all about black wip and smoke and shit.
It wouldn’t have even been a problem if the story of BNHA lasted longer. If BNHA continued through from Class 1-A’s first year to their third year, it’d give Midoriya having more quirks time to breathe. But because the pacing is all just in Midoriya’s first year, it feels so fucking crazy. I honestly thought with how kinda slow BNHA told its pacing, that it would’ve been like Harry Potter style year system going on. Like we would’ve gotten to see Class 1-A and Midoriya really grow as the years progressed. Even though we’re “near the end” of BNHA, in hindsight it honestly still feels like we still haven’t explored the world of BNHA to the fullest. There’s still so much untapped potential in exploring superhuman society, characters, and more.
Looking back now, honestly the first warning sign was the introduction of the Big Three. It didn’t seem so back then but then you realize we didn’t really get any important introduction to second years at BNHA, that was the first sign of something might be off.
@@SakuraChrno the funny thing is, deku only having the one quirk would have given the story a reason to include his class in the final fight. Shigaraki would have all these crazy quirks to deal with so deku would NEED help. Now he’s just playing the goku role while everyone else is fodder
Two thirds sounds about right to me, when is he supposed to unlock them? Can’t be too early or too late
My respect for MHA took a huge hit when Mirio finally came back, only to disappear again for no reason. I was never a huge fan but always enjoyed the series but it just never seems to live up to it's own potential.
Just wanted to say that although the colouring was meant to avoid a copyright strike, it somehow looks gorgeous and I would love to view the entirety of MHA like this. Fire looks vibrant and it feels like there's actually something looming on the horizon.
Loving the monochrome with red look like in classic Shonen Jump color pages.
At the very least this is how the anime should have looked during the winter. Hate how the anime only uses the same bright blue skybox in every season.
theres someone named hexamendle who has a website coloring the manga and some over jumps
I really like it too
It's funny that the color that's most recognizable to the main character is a part of the colors that was removed from the video. Somehow it's fitting to the point he's making.
My main gripe is the fact that everything takes place during the day time.
Why are all the villains only operating during the day?! ITS ALWAYS LIKE 11 AM WHEN THEYRE FIGHTING
ig even villains need their beauty sleep
@@barbarekipiani538 can’t mess up your sleep schedule lmao
Wow, after you pointed out how basically every chapter now is just a setup for another “epic moment” cliffhanger it’s impossible to unsee. Every. Single. Chapter. Is like this now. Also, the artstyle has become an undistinguished mess of shapes and faces, where there is no way of telling what is even happening.
This part is a huge aspect for me. Half of the time I just don’t even understand what is happening with shigaraki and his body parts lol. I just scroll through and hope someone will narrate it and I’ll get it
i get the feeling this is shounen jump's fault once again, rushing their artists to pump out something "safe" rather than experimental, at least thats what happened when we saw promised neverland. its kind of unrealistic for someone to continuously update a story on a constant basis with no break, hence hxh togashi takes years long breaks
@@liben5052 yeah i get that feeling as well
@@RaGiNgBaNaNa101 I thought i was the only one. It's so confusing that I take too much time understanding a panel where there was only Best Jeanist
Yep half the time I can't make what the hell Hori is drawing on the panels lol.
It's an absolute travesty that Shigaraki has been sidelined for Potato Man - honestly, the idea of having both the hero AND main villain of a series suck at the beginning and then subsequently grow and learn along the way is genius. It was amazing to see Shigaraki go from a manchild to someone more competent as he had to take on more responsibility as well as face other villains.
It's really a shame how things are rushed, even the arc with Re-destro felt rushed and I think it would have been great to see more arcs where Shigaraki could develop and the author could explore how this character handles being a villain. All for one should not have returned to take over IMO, instead Shigaraki should have been kept as the main villain, a far more interesting character that has personal connections to many characters as was said in the video.
How about an arc showing Shigaraki trying to do something with the quirk product he won from Overhaul, where he needs to establish himself as a boss in the criminal underworld while competing with other villains who want to snuff him out. Would be a great way to not only learn more about the other villains that have emerged and operate in the shadows, but also how Shigaraki and his team grow more influental in the world. This could then lead to another arc where the consequences of his actions with quirk product affect Deku and the other heroes/the world at large.
With the latest chapter I read, it felt like it completely changed Shigaraki's character. It could be because of All For One (and likely is), but his goals of destroying society to free everyone from oppression have now shifted to wanting to crush everyone to rule over them, like the system he hated. It just really ruins his character to me.
@@rationeextrema3776 well, first of all, this was VERY obviously AFO!Shigaraki talking, not Shigaraki himself. Like, it was clear as day, this was literally the same stuff Aoyama told about AFO and what AFO was saying himself previously. Second of all, Shigaraki never wanted to destroy society to free everyone from opression. Systemic change was never the reason for his desire to wreck it all. I'd advise rereading MVA arc, specifically the chapters where Tomura explains to Ujiko his dream. Shigaraki fundamentally hates life itself, he's sick of it all. Destroying society wasn't a plan, it's a reaction. He even says that he doesn't need a future. He wants to leave everything to LoV so they could create the world they want because LoV are the only thing that he doesn't hate.
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Fair enough.
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I am genuinely curious, since you honestly seem better than me at this, what do you think of the way Shigaraki has been handled so far in the final arc?
@@rationeextrema3776 well, to be honest...
I think he’s being handled just fine? He’s being deprived of everything by AFO - his agency, identity, autonomy, even his facial features now began to disappear. AFO takes away his individuality in every way imaginable and replaces with his own. And this _is_ where it’s supposed to go. Shigaraki's falling deeper into the rabbit hole, but this is just a prelude before Izuku comes and saves the day. The deeper he falls and the longer he stews in misery, the more satisfying Izuku helping him will be (since this is where the story points at, so far).
And like. We’re still only in the beginning of the arc. Only one villain fight was actually finished (with a positive (?) outcome), and even then Touya and Shouto stuff still isn’t done. So it's kinda too early to say anything about Shigaraki in this arc.
If you want more details, be free to read more about my personal analysis on Shigaraki and AFO under SleepyWolf's comment.
MHA is a series that helped bring me back from a very dark point in my life when I picked it up shortly before S3 began, and it also was a thing me and my partner bonded over when we started out. And while I do still enjoy the series, it’s a genuine shame to see it’s fall from grace and know it won’t get any better. I’m not mad at Horikoshi because I’m sure there’s things going on in the background we can’t possibly know, I just wish the product didn’t have to suffer from whatever it could be. I’ll see it through to the end though.
For me Deku having so many quirks was the big problem. It was cool to see him grow and improve the percentatges by training little by little, and how he developed new techniques involving only his strength quirk. I was hoping that we would see the day where he reached his 100% and became stronger than all might. But suddenly he discovers he has 7 more hidden quirks inside him, we get a couple of timeskips where we don't see nothing of his development and now he is a beast on par with all might who can do anything thanks to his multiple quirks. It's underwhelming
Also he’s just like all for one now which is lame (in terms of having a similar power set). Separately from that, isn’t All for One using All those quirks for selfish reasons to benefit One guy? And shouldn’t One for All be using One quirk for the benefit of All people? Not like 7 quirks or whatever the number is?
Giving him all the different powers is the lazy option. It's embracing power creep and the sentiment of "if it's not bigger it isn't better".
This is the failing of superhero fiction. The idea that if they don't escalate it every story arc that it's somehow worse or less enjoyable.
No.
We enjoy it because of the characters you built up. The clear progression of characters and their growth from teens to adults.
I don't care if the world is at risk of exploding if the characters involved aren't themselves.
To add to the ‘Dabi knowing Hawks’ real name’ point;
I was so excited for the potential history that these two characters had. I was- and still am- adamant on the headcanon that Touya was a part of the secret hero program by the HPSC.
Dabi saying ‘I never believed anything from the start’ in response to Hawks being a double agent would of had SO MUCH more weight if he had a connection to the HPSC and Keigo during childhood.
(Also explaining why he knew his real name, and why Hawks was so shocked- perhaps Touya could have been the only one he trusted with his real name, and was shocked to see his childhood-friend-turned-villain?)
Perhaps the experience of being groomed into a ‘perfect hero’ could have added to his societal views? Perhaps Touya’s gruelling training and insight into the toxic practices of the HPSC could of served as foreshadowing for Lady Nagant? Maybe this would have been a better backstory for Dabi knowing his true name, rather than him just using nameless goons for information?
It made so much sense… but nope. It was AFO all along!
They really could have had it that the facility dabi was taken to by AFO was a part of the HPSC secret hero programme, it would raise history with Dabi and Hawks as well as really showcasing how AFO really does have "friends" everywhere because he keeps mentioning he does even to the point his organisation is in every single major country and yet nothing has been shown or explained that it is, we have literally not seen anything about how deep and intricate his organisation is
I know right? The reveal he just got thugs to threaten his mum into revealing it was such a slap in the face.
This just hurts me because My Hero was the series that got me into reading manga, so to see it go out this way is just painful
bruh, i had not read manga in a long time before MHA... then it all goes left 😔
Well you should be happy to know there are literally hundreds of Manga better than MHA. So you'll find another one you love eventually
Naruto fans had to go through this. Our glory days were crazy tho so it wasn’t that bad
@@BerserkaDerka yes they will. But it still hurts since it was their first that made them love manga in general.
Same
Speaking of Overhaul, we still don't know why Lady Nagant actually broke him out of prison, do we? Sure, he ended up being coincidentally useful in her search for Midoriya, but she only got that mission after breaking him out. Why did she open his cell door in the first place? It's so insultingly handwaved I almost refuse to believe the explanation given, but we haven't been, and probably won't be, offered another one. So why?
She broke out a bunch of villains but it wasn't a coincidence with Overhaul she brought him knowing he'd be useful to help Deku she even says this
@@jasonjones3328 All For One didn't tell Nagant to go after Midoriya until she had already broken out with Overhaul in tow. She can't see the future. She had no idea All For One would send her after Midoriya. And yet, what purpose would she have for Overhaul outside of finding Midoriya?
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If I had to guess Nagant knew Overhaul's connections and figured she could use those in escaping. That or she just felt bad for him which does work for her
@@jasonjones3328 Right. Either of those are plausible, but we can't know for sure.
Cause Overhaul is the hottest man in mha, Nagant is a lonely woman.
She has priorities like all of us.
Deku's power development also peaked way too fast.
Watching Deku slowly progressing through the percentages of one for all was a long but to be-satisfying journey. We all hoped to see him reach 100% with no repercussion, and that painted to be a part of the story that would take inside-years to master, and when he would finally get there, it would seem earned, both to Deku and to us by sticking all the way from 5 to 8 to 20 to 35.
During the first war when it was mentioned that Deku could use 35% and 45% at impact, it was a sign that the heroes wouldn't win the war but that also meant that we would've been in a while new ride with Deku until he gets to 100%, and little by little, the story of One for all would be fully revealed to Deku, giving him more mentality for battling.
But when fighting Lady Nagant, fa Jin came in and threw that out the window. It's a cool fight, sure, but fa Jin making Deku on par with all might already with faux 100% makes the journey underwhelming.
We spent hundreds of chapters watching Deku increase his percentages and got excited when he did because it meant something special for him and for us.
Having that suddenly replaced with something that has "faux" in the name is disappointing.
It's also frustrating that, fajin could've worked as a bonus for Deku, but that's the thing, a bonus, something for when after he's reached 100%
It's not an abismal problem, but it was something that made the series what it was.
Yeah I think speed is the problem. Of course Deku flexible the OFA muscle at higher numbers would strengthen that muscle. 5 to 45 makes sense given the events that pass, but not the time frame.
Kind of disagree? Fa Jin allowing Deku to do a fake 100% is pretty on point and in line with the rest of Deku's moves. Before he could control the % he would instead sacrifice fingers and limbs for "one time" (until healed, like how a gun needs to be reloaded) powerful shots- and when he did control his % he gradually stretched the muscle of OFA and proceeded to develop techniques based around the strengths and weaknesses such as using a lower % for attacks but increasing it far more just before impact-
Fa Jin, while suffers from the same issue as all the past OFA users's quirks do (introduced too quick, not enough practise shown, etc), is still very much in line with the story and Deku's mindset. He didn't have full control over it and instead applied it in an intelligent way (he basically had two boosts, one for each leg. One to leap at Nagant and another to blast forwards while using the whips to change his trajectory) and just like his early application of OFA it was limited (instead of fingers however he was limited to his legs and would need to remain static for a prolonged amount of time to recharge.)
Nobody complains about Mary sure male characters, they only get more respect because males are supposed to be strong. Females are supposed to be weak so any power they have that isn't long drawn out and realistically developed will be scrutinized regardless.
@@Sommer00bro Deku is literally one of the most hated MC's lmao what are you on about
Imagine Dabi releasing not only his own confession, but evidence of the Hero/Assassin training program, as well a hit list of heroes marked as under watch. There would be in-fighting among heroes knowing they were considered for removal, would invite more doubt in the population, and personally shock Midoriya. Speaking of, Deku has broken his arms at this point, dealing permanent damage, while Shigiraki continues to make his escape, but not before rubbing in the inevitable collapse of hero society by telling him "Only All Might could have stopped this." Deku will be left broken both physically, and spiritually.
The Villain Hunt Arc will begin with Shigiraki breaking free of AFO, decaying him, and forms a new team with the prisoners, telling the ones that refuse to join him to stir up trouble, because there's no one to stop them. On the heroes' sides, One For All becomes public knowledge, and both heroes and villains are searching for Midoriya and his loved ones to forcefully inherit the quirk for their own purposes, and the lad no longer feels worthy and thus is willing to give it up. Class-1A refuses to let him give up, preparing Eri for training to reverse the damage, but must in the meantime keep watch for assailants, all while having softer moments with him so as not to surrender his benevolent ambition. Villain Hunt would be a lot heavier under these circumstances. But this is mostly coming in retrospect, so it's easier to think up.
This reminds me of how I felt when Naruto’s quality started to decrease towards its end. It’s sad that MHA is doing the same and that Horikoshi just wants out when he finally made my hero’s world feel big. Wish he got a 3 month break like Tabata.
Makes me wonder why this happen so much
Ironic since Oceaniz gave Naruto a 9.5 and liked the series all the way through until the end.
@@zgoat8573 to be fair until the end of the pain arc Naruto was fucking amazing. Mostly.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 More like till Naruto meets his mom and we see Minato vs Tobi / Kyubi. 5KS isn’t the best but it’s just as good as First Shippuden , and easily better than Tenchi Bridge.
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The way this video continues to age well needs to be studied
I'll never forget that one scene where Jiro got with all the others from the School Festival band, said something about bringing everyone together, and it's just....never followed up on. Would've been a brilliant catalyst for the Aoyama reveal too.
The fact that deku's arms were able to get adjusted to the strain from one for all really annoyed me. I thought horokoshi was going to follow through with deku not being able to use his arms anymore and would have to learn to use blackwhip to move his arms.
At the very least, Deku could have lost one of his arms but Hirokoshi could not even give us that! What a fucking waste
@@zemox2534 agreed considering how much more damaged his right arm was to his left.
What? That's how One For All works. His body gets more used to it as he gets stronger, we're told this from the very beginning and it's why he had to train for like 10 months before getting the quirk.
We were also told if Deku pushes himself he would be a bloody cripple! Or did you forget that because Hirokoshi clearly forgot@!!
@@willycheez7218 ...No, we're told that he had to do that so that his limbs wouldn't fall off when he used One For All. It's been made clear through the whole series that Midoriya would lose his arms if he kept pushing his limits and that didn't happen.
It's not "how One For All works" that's just how it works for All Might since he's an Anomaly.
What I feel with MHA now is the same feeling I felt with Tokyo Revengers. Nothing.
I don't get excited for new chapters anymore, I don't care about these characters. It's just not fun to read anymore, man.
Same! It seems like the authors of the manga lost their spark... or they simply got sick/bored/tired and don't care about the writing anymore, they just want to end it.
@@rougestarlight4308 Must be overworked.
Good thing World Trigger is still out with a slow pace but adequate quality.
Fr, I wait for like 10 chapters before reading either. Tokyo revengers really messed up the whole thing with continuing the last arc.. ending before it was so nice and bittersweet.
@@Just_B0red facts bro
@@Just_B0red that was never the direction of the story, the story was always building up to where the final arc is
If Hori decided to just erase everything and start again from the war, like everything after never happened and could do all again but properly, I would happily support it.
MHA used to be my favorite manga, this is like seeing my childhood hero's life ruined by crack.
I doubt he would do that, he's way too tired of the series at this point.
Sure is... How long since we last had a new sketch posted on Twitter
I personally dropped MHA after season 2 and I could not be happier. I am so glad I didn't get attached to Shigaraki because I would've been devastated to see that they just wrote him out of the story after he peaked
Why'd you drop it after season 2? It was probably the best season of the whole show.
Tbh the better drop point is the halfway mark of season 4.
I think what ruined mha was having everything be afo fault, backstorys? His fault, betrayals? Afo fault, that paper cut u got in 2nd grade? Afo fault
He took a page out of Thawne book
LMAO
I ♾% agree that making AFO the main villain is a mistake, the point of having a successor is to put all your hopes on the next generation, and seeing a villain doing the same thing as a hero it’s sooooo interesting and fun, and even if the next generation fails, he can create another and another, until he gets board then become the final boss
He was always the main villian.
@@spacecowboy1881 not really, he was like All might, not the main hero, but the person who will rise the next hero, the same with AFO and Shigi
@@skullknight1465 Agreed
@@skullknight1465 nah your missing the point that villains are different then heroes I think it was an excellent Choice having AFO take over old boys body, and AFO was nothing like All might a villain relies on themself so it makes perfect sense that the villain is using people. AFO body was fucked so ofc he would get a new one thats what I instantly thought was gonna happen after he got folded by all might in his final battle Villain 101 on god 💀
In reality dude effectively pulled a Valkorian (Star Wars Villain, prolonged his life by body hoping into people like a parasite.)
I remember what I liked about MHA was how, since it's superhero themed, it felt like the world was built to be like a marvel style connected universe. Like somewhere in another timeline all of these characters have thier own comic series and such and I used the strengths of that medium. I used to pitch it to people as "Spiderman goes to the Xavier academy where his teacher is superman". Characters like All might were like golden age 1940s heroes in a simplistic good vs evil world but they had to grapple with leaving a far more complex bronze age like world to the next generation who have more realistic issues, explored in a manga format and it was so unique and interesting.
But my issues cropped up quickly. I assumed class 1A would do the rotation you were describing in this as well, X-Men and other team comics did that sort of thing all the time. Yeah Deku was central but class 1A seemed to be built up as the main force reacting to the wider universe. Like Gentle and the Overhaul arc felt like single contained issues about the class 1A comic that were occasionally interrupted by stuff like stain which felt like a tie in to an event comic like how American comics do it. But as we went on like 4-5 characters hogged more and more of the spotlight and some characters couldn't even be given half a chapter for any fleshing out at all (I can't name you a single thing about sugar rush). More and more pro heroes came along, an entire second class of fodder, all this extra bullshit taking away from what shoulda been the main focus. However the early ones where at least in service of class 1As development. So I had hope they were just taking their time.
But after the war arc it suddenly became....just an event comic. And if you've ever read one you'll know at best you get a central being and a villain as focus and everyone else is there to show its a big event, character moments just sorta happen and you gotta read a tie in to get more focus. But there is no tie in, Jirous fight with all for one woulda had her decision explained in "Earphone Jack No.37" but there's no such thing. Characters like Sero, The rock face one, tail guy and all of that other narratively worthless class hold the same relevance as bit part supporting characters in someone else book that get brutally killed in the 90s when everyone wanted to be edgy. With a No.1 issue that will never come now. By now MHA is so like a bad event comic that that i wouldn't be surprised if they pull a Naruto and have All for one get sniped by a previously unknown villain from space so they can squeeze in a Thanos pastiche
Mha originally succeeded because it innovated on the superhero genre. It failed because it just started doing the superhero genre.
I think this issue is greatly showcased in how the metamorphs (animal people) riots led by spinner is handled, shoji all of a sudden has a terrible backstory of prejudice and he really wants to be the one to deal with this issue like its so rushed with how the riot stops suddenly because shoji said no this will make it worse. It feels like there is a missing part of the story like you mentioned with Jiro it feels like I missed reading out a comic or story that is key to shojis character. Same with Spinners goal of breaking free from this prejudice but its not mentioned at all in the story he was a stain fan who joined the league of villains, the only mention of this at all is spinner once asks I believe shoji during the training camp attack something like, "dont you hate your parents for making you look like such a freak?" and then its never mentioned again until the final arc.
MHA’s problem is that it is rushing the War Arc consistently, with characters changing their minds on a dime (like Deku and his “lone wolf” idiocy), constant battles that fail to be impactful because they’re lined up one after the other with no proper intermissions of development or interactions between, and no given reasons as to why first year high school students are the ones making the biggest battles against the League of Villains.
AFO long overstaying his welcome and becoming like a vestige is also a serious swing-and-a-miss. OFA having vestiges makes sense because it is a stockpiling quirk. All For One, on the other hand, was simply (somehow copied, which is also never explained) into Shigaraki and somehow this allows AFO to hijack Shigaraki’s body? It makes no sense, really, and it kinda destroys the impact of Shigaraki’s character development over the course of the series. All of the moments of his growth and his direct parallels with Deku are now mulch since AFO is once again returning for a tired and exhausting story of how he’s just evil because he likes it and how he’s totally gonna get OFA this time. All of this, of course, with no emotional development or character connections to AFO as a character, or even a more involved backstory for him.
Legitimately the only way I can see this decision making sense is if AFO really IS Deku’s dad. And it would kinda be a sham revelation if they pulled that card so late in the game, too.
This series became the new Naruto Shippuden wayyyy too quick.
I don't like shiggy, not even they way we are supposed to dislike shiggy. I always hoped it would be AFO vs deku. Also lone deku was some of the best stuff in the story.
@@gaeron1305 How was Lone Deku a good plot? It just shows how much Deku hasn’t grow since the beginning, always recklessly running into problems without any thought and arrogantly (albeit unintentionally) thinking that he alone can solve the world’s problems and that such things are too dangerous for his classmates.
By now, Deku should know that his classmates are formidable and are growing just like he is. He should know that abandoning them would mean nothing, because AFO could’ve just targeted them anyway because Deku would be too heroic to not run to save them immediately.
Also, how would going it alone against a city and country full of escaped and empowered villains make Deku or anyone else any safer? He was legit endangering OFA by doing so, as he could’ve easily been killed when he was wandering the streets alone and without any backup.
Narratively, it makes no sense. It showed no growth in Deku’s character, it ended far too quickly and without much lasting effects to have any impact on the story, and Deku didn’t even lose anything from it (which might have justified it for teaching him a lesson).
Overall, it was a lazy attempt to satisfy those who love those Vigilante Deku fanfictions online. And, in a story where most of the other characters are either given zero individual or personal storylines and very little depth at all, it gave Deku’s classmates and teachers literally nothing to do in the story as he ran around playing hero. And it showed Deku’s greatest flaw in an unrestrained and obnoxious way: his selfishly selfless belief that he should protect everyone alone and that he needs to protect even his fellow heroes.
That whole arc, after the series having already shown how All Might made those mistakes and indirectly caused all of this by doing so, only showcased Horikoshi’s lack of creativity and his lack of continuity. And it succeeded in showing just how little Deku’s mistakes and trials throughout the series have actually helped him to grow.
@@gaeron1305 bad take
@@TimothyGod naw. Shiggy is a whiney baby.
I love comics. I read over 30 webtoons religiously, every week. I get so excited for the next chapter that i stay up until 4 a.m. because i want to read it as soon as it comes out. I look at the art and pick out details everyone else misses. I reread every chapter multiple times and rarely forget plot points. I read tv tropes and wiki pages. I used to love mha this much but now it is just a chore to read. I actually forgot to read it for 3 weeks straight and remembered it today. I love the art, it is really amazing but now i barely look at what is happening.
So yeah. That is sad.
I was exactly the same. I still reread earlier chapters but the current ones are a chore for me as at this point I just want to see it to the end
The problem with having All For One as the main villain at this point in the story is his lack of thematical presence now. Shigaraki has completely dominated that sphere and for good reason. After All For One's defeat, we were further drawn into the systemic problems of the character's society. We were drawn into it by the story and how Shigaraki was so interwoven with these issues. With this added layer of complexity, All For One just falls flat. Things are not as simple as they were when he first showed his hand, and, unfortunately, All For One is not as invested or tethered to society the way Shigaraki is. He feels completely detached from the rest of the story's elements.
Anyway, I am probably wrong, but I would be interested to hear what everyone else may think.
I agree completely.
nah you're 100% right, afo has really overstayed his welcome.
Maybe if Hiro made it look like how Masashi incorporated the entrance of Kaguya as the last enemy boss
everyone fought Tobi
then surprise! it was Madara all along
(thou Tobi and Madara did have a good background story)
but after fighting Tobi and Madara, everyone is tired. But it aint over yet, surprise again! it was Kaguya all along.
Kaguya, even being absent most of the series. Has a good build up character.
going back to MHA, Shigaraki has a solid story and background, he have a great build up actually and you were right AFO was not as interesting because he is absent most of the series so we as the audience is not much invested but suddenly appearing out of nowhere to possess Shigaraki. Still feels raw and disappointing.
If it’s true that AFO has taken hold of shiggy for himself then the only thing I can think of to fix this if shiggy gets control back and kills AFO to reclaim who he is, right before Deku gets back
@@peachcloudx1672 Isn't AFO the main villain though?
Coming back to this one year later
AFO did indeed give Shigaraki Decay and not only that, Decay is basically only the destructive part of Overhaul (in other words, AFO had access to Overhaul at some point and for some reason didn't keep it or make copies of it)
That last parte remind me of a RWBY explanation that said: "Look at this school with all these cool characters, except that the author explores none of them, and then the school blows up"
@20:00 as you note that Deku’s self destructive attitude was never addressed with other characters, it’s ironic because Bakugo was literally the ONLY one (students AND teachers) that was fully concerned and aware of it when in all reality EVERYONE in his personal life should have been chastising him for it. Again and again All Might was told by Aizawa/RecoveryGirl/Dekus Mom/Gran Torino straight from the beginning how bad of an influence he was being on Deku and for some odd reason All Might was neither held responsible nor more integral in showing Deku a different way to save people that didn’t involve breaking himself instead letting him go off on his own to make the EXACT same mistakes he made in his prime (ex: dashing from villian to villian just to end up running himself into the ground)
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Bakugo has known him the longest and has seen it multiple times so he gets it, but with All Might I think he does see it when Deku really starts going off the rails but then he can't stop Deku anymore.
Bakugou is truly a good homies
That's pretty realistic tbf
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He kinda did try making Deku learn how to control his power better so he wouldn't get hurt in season 4, problem being he didn't do enough of it
Star and Stripe was robbed of being a great character. She was super cool! And I was excited for her to be part of the main defense line again the villain uprising. But no.
She wasn't robbed..... hori literally created her to pit her in that seemingly impossible fight. She died, yes, but I can gurantee her sacrifice is not the last we'll see of her.
Honestly that stupid new movie should have had her in it vs whatever bs it was about and she deserves a movie
@@spacecowboy1881 I hope not, but at the same time I hate that kind of story telling.
Not only that, we were robbed of seeing international heroes coming to Japan’s aid. It would’ve made the world of MHA so much larger - seeing different heroes, seeing the “Number 1 Hero” of different countries, their varied Quirks, how each country developed with the advent of Quirks, how each country deals with Villains, etc., so much more.
But alas, Horikoshi decided to put the kibosh on that plot point.
@@kaydee66781 You are delusional if you think that international heroes will appear in the last arc, or this manga about heroes in japan give a fuck about them.
51:08 I get the sense that Horikoshi never fully thought through just how insane Overhaul (the Quirk) is.
We have a Quirk that could be used to perform miraculous healing, create new species, and build entire cities in the blink of an eye.
Overhaul should have been able to bring the Yakuza back single-handedly (hah), ruling over a criminal empire that rivals AFO’s with, or without, Eri.
I mean for Overhaul we only see him use it for reassembling eri, instant kill magne/minions, bringing back his arm, fusing with people and controlling to some extent the terrain. Overhaul was singularly focused on raising the Shie Hassaikai and not caring for the organization that he wouldn't have gotten far regardless of his power.
Many shows and series end up overstaying their welcome but MHA is the opposite. It's so determined to end that it's dropped so far in quality. Many of us probably would have loved to have seen several more years and see these characters grow up and evolve further. AFO is a big factor in this. Seems that the story has no idea how to continue after him which is sad really. Almost like they can't justify going more powerful than him
what annoys me is that like this could have become the next longstanding flagship series for shounen jump.
Like imo the way this story is and how like intricate it could be is that this could have been a next one piece although I dont see it going on for as long as One Piece has been/will go but like it had the potential to be especially with introducing the world outside of Japan.
Like I saw an article about how Shounen Jump will never have a a series like One Piece ever again and like I sort of agree with series that could come close either getting cancelled or in this case the suthor seeming to want to move on.
I'm annoyed. Shigaraki is too cool of a character to be stuck here. A truly fascinating villain - utterly wasted
i honestly don't get how people act like shigaraki still isn't going to be the final villain and AFO just killed shigaraki or something. the story isn't done yet, AFO is literally depicted as a parasyte/tumor in the vestige world, if that doesn't imply that he's going to be removed idk what does, ever since the start of this arc AFO has been in total control to make the pay off when shiggy gets back even greater. if makes me feel absolutely crazy seeing EVERYBODY on this comment section act like shigaraki is just fucking dead.
Ehh All For One is a lot cooler
@@willycheez7218 Sure if you have terrible taste. Afo is charismatic but he's all style and no substance. I find him incredibly boring tbh. What's there to think about with him?
@@guilhermeantonio3682 True he's not dead but MHA has fallen hard recently. I have no motivation to continue this series because the writing is so off. Shigaraki being pushed aside is simply one example of the bad writing. But it sticks out to me significantly as Shiggy was among the most interesting of characters.
@@SkyBlueMistGhost I'd much rather charisma over substance. At least he's entertaining, Shigaraki is just kind of boring. AFO's motivation is to be the strongest (even tho he already is tbh), hence why he wanted One For All, why he wanted New Order and so on. It's pretty easy to understand, Shigaraki is just Todoroki-like with his lame, mostly emotionless display, and when he does put energy in he's just the typical mentally traumatised villain. I hate that type of character. AFO swaggy wit it
Idk if anyone else hated the jump to this post apocalyptic society after the war but it felt so forced to me. It seemed like the heroes won, they captured a small army of villains including dozens of high end nomus, the guy creating nomus, gigamachina, killed twice, and left the league with like 4 members. Yet heroes are quitting en mass, everyone suddenly hates heroes when appreciation for them should be higher since citizens need protection, and there's no significant government force being sent in to help the situation. I get some heroes leaving but its ridiculous so many just quit when the series hadn't built up such a sentiment in any of the heroes we met.
I tried to like it, but the thing is the events of the war weren't enough to cause a "civil war" type arc. I would love to see that, but not only the heroes won, there were no civilian deaths. I would improve by making the fight take place in a major city, or even musufatu itself. If you want the public of your universe to hate heroes, than make situation that will lead to that
@@psmgames5861 tbh they shouldn't have let the heroes win so cleanly. What should've happened was the heroes knew about the invasion but waited too long to act on the info. Maybe have that leak out to the public. Have the war be messy with lots of casualties, heroes dying and heroes killing other villains out of fear, heroes running/hiding while others choose to fight. Maybe even have a couple civilians/vigilanties take down major villains further diminishing trust in heroes.
The result of the war could still be the same, twice getting killed, gigamachina and other league members getting captured, etc. but give us a reason to believe the heroes would quit and general public opinion of them to diminish.
Probably the worst comment
@@ofimportance5458 how so?
It was some time since i watched MHA but didn't Garaki (the guy creating nomus) get bailed out of jail? also i am pretty sure machia and Shiggy destroyed a lot of things during the war arc, like Shiggy's awakening and Machia running through a city to get to Shigaraki. Also almost forgot but exposing the current number one hero as child abuser defenitly done a hit + that child being one of the most prominent villains and Hawks killing a villain, while fellow heroes might be like "I guess there was just no choice" or smth like that, public would defenitly not like that their number 2 hero is a killer. And the last thing, it's that there wasn't that trust in the heroes after All might's retirement (Like All might was said to be unmatched and even he lost, how would the heroes that are left fair against those that could beat all might).
With what I’ve been hearing about BNHA, these all really feel like symptoms from Horikoshi being pushed to finish the manga. This was touched on in several interviews with him wanting to end BNHA, because he’s been getting pressured to. Pressure from fans, critics, likely from his publishers and editors too.
I really think Horikoshi wanted to take his time with it, Hori clearly loves BNHA and is really passionate about his story, but deadlines are deadlines. And I think that’s ultimately the saddest thing about this.
Really? I heard the opposite.
He wants to finish it. But Shonen is willing to give him more time.
I know your comment is a bit old by now, but I kinda doubt that. When a series gets axed, you can quite feel that; everything feels suddenly rushed and weird choices were made in that recent (final) arc. As for BnHA, you can feel the motivation in writing lacking overtime. More, as stated in the video too, like moving from cool moment to cool moment instead of actually developing these moments and its characters within it. I personally feel like Horikoshi kinda got burned out by the story of BnHA and wants to wrap it up in a decent way.
@@Phantom_Zone Yeah, that's what I've heard too. Hori got too big too fast, got scared by the pressure of having a big success, and decided to squirt some ink and run away like all cowardly squids.
The edgy deku arc was such a good point for a fucking time skip man, they are all still in the 1st year of fucking school.
i started getting really frustrated with mha during the war arc, when dabi revealed himself and shoto had NO hesitation before fighting him for endeavor. he was just starting to open up to his father and that didn't set him back at all?
Because Shoto really had no connection to Dabi, he probably doesn't even know who he is, just a brother that died. He can't keep hating Endeavor for his past when he's already moved on. Plus Dabi is one of the most heartless villains in the series and even Shiggy has more heart than him, Dabi just doesn't care about anyone but to prove a point. If his brother that he doesn't even know is a villain putting everyone in danger, shoto wouldn't care who he is.
@@Valstrax420
Well that is one problem though.
Dabi Fled from Endevor for his Abuse. Todoroki and his mother were abused to the point of Physical and Mental scaring.
He should at least be able to Relate and understand Dabi.
@@devildolphin2102 Endeavor was pretty understanding with Dabi and wanted him to stop but Dabi was just unhinged and wouldn't, to the point where he tried to attack baby Todoroki. And both Endeavor and his wife admit to not being able to understand him.
I think Dabi was just a psychopath looking for excuses. Like he says he went back to the Todoroki household after 3 years and he was surprised they moved on? And he didn't bother even talking to any of them? Dumb
@@bonzoluv
Well here’s the Thing though. Dabi backstory was a Retcon.Hori is Trying to Gaslight the Audience into thinking Endevor is a Good person.
We See through Shoto and his mother and his Siblings backstory.
Endeavor would BEAT shoto to the point he could no longer Stand and he puked his guts up.
He would Burn down and Destroy his gym with his kids inside it.
He caused his “Wife” via Arranged Quirk Marriage to Literally Go insane and Mutilate her son because his Fire Side Caused her PTSD and Anxiety Attacks.
So something is not Adding up.
We have 2 stories:
1. supported by 1 character is Endevor is a Strict man but caring who dosent want his kids to Hirt themselves
2. At least 4 people corroborate this one. Endevor is a Psychological and Physical Abuser who routinely did Physical abuse to children and applied to his wife…… to the Point they ALL have massive amount of Psychological Trauma
Rei- Went insane and tried to kill her son
Shoto- Became depressed and wanted to Exorcise his quirk because he hated his dad
Fuyumi- Meek and Sorta Subservient and Does whatever will Not cause any Physical abuse from Daddy
Natsuo- who actively Resent his father and Routinely spits venom at him.
Yeah. Hori Gaslighting is Hard.
@@bonzoluv
Also. Why was Dabi never talked about. Why was it so secretive. Not for AHA gotcha but for the Todoroki Family.
Also In The Stain Arc Dabi was never so Psychopathic. That appeared later When Hori realized To many People LIKED dabi and he needed to Gaslight us into hating him.
While I can't say I completely agree with you I appreciate how well you articulated your feelings on the state of this series. Good work👍🏾
What do you not agree with?
@@LJ-hk4tv He means he agrees with some points but not all of them
@@zmetroplayz2456 Like I just fucking asked, what does he not agree with?
@@LJ-hk4tv Oh my bad
Well said.
44:30 "He hasn't invented quirks... Yet"
Bro don't give Horikoshi any ideas 😭
Hey, remember when Horikoshi said in the end of chapter 254 that he wanted to introduce Class 2-A? Well, I’m still waiting. ._.
I have a conspiracy theory about star and stripes and overhaul: the original plan was for ofa to steal overhaul and cause incredible amount of problems for the heroes, then star and stripes would swoop in and destroy the quirk in the final stand. Then they decided to cut it for time D:
40:50 for this specifically, in the fight against Star and Stripe it switches between AFO and Tomura speaking several times. IIRC at the start of the new fight where the Hero's teleport Tomura's body away, it also momentarily switches between AFO and Tomura but it is mostly AFO in control. These things are not conveyed clearly in English, unfortunately.
Huh, neat. Other than that the only thing that really stuck out to me about their fusion was after his defeat, how AFO pointed out that his personal dislike of All Might mixed with Shigaraki's overall intense hatred as he uh, continuously seethed on the floor. Still find it neat, but it's kinda weird that at this point it's hard to get a total grasp on the main villain since stitching two characters together ironically makes you understand the end result less.
Wait now that I'm thinking about it, did he even point that out? Hmm, I remember him talking about how much he hates All Might at least, but, well, I guess that's there either way?
The thing that hurts the most is all of the people who called the show mid will be proven right. Everything since the War Arc has been absolutely fucking mid and it pisses me off.
I'm one of them and yeah, I was right
@@matiasaguilar2500 lol
Doesn’t mind just mean average? I don’t get how it turned into an insult of being bad
@@ChromaticEagle that's the thing, something being average can be taken as it being nothing special. We love awesome stuff and we love garbage to, but something being just average is boring. It also attacks people who dedicate a lot to a series when you call that average
@@ChromaticEagle because it was a special show. It was great. Now it's average which feels cheap. We Were hoping the story would hit hard
49:50 Lol. Lmao. Aged like wine 🍷 😂😭🤣
It just too predictable since the author is such a hack
What an eye-opening video. Watching Shonen N' Chill week to week ever since the villain hunt, I see how yours, mine, and the community opinion as a whole was and is shaped by the reaction to individual chapters. How short run issues pile up in the long run, while hype moments fade and are forgotten. That's why the majority of the audience who reads the story just for the hype still loves it BECAUSE of the hype, which Hori now specifically made his target. This video made me more critical and worried for the future. To think that I'll soon be finishing MHA with "ugh, finally" rather than this the feeling that the journey has reached its destination, it just makes me sad.
You know how sometimes you can feel what someone's thoughts and mental state are through their art or actions?
I feel like Horikoshi was getting burned out, and then took a look ahead. The pacing of the story as it was meant that the War Arc was more like a halfway or one-third point, and he could *not* do that. Given the Manga-ka work schedule and Japan's work ethic, doing that could *literally* kill him.
He looked at that and realized there was no way he could keep that up, and so he panicked and either started in on a plot point that he couldn't reverse or fell back on a plan B that was already in place.
I would not say it was near a third or even a half.
The War arc was never the halfway point of the series, lol. Hori's comments and his editors was always implying the series was reaching it's end.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 mha stan spotted
49:40 dam you predict AFO gave decay quirk to tomura 💀
It's something that's not really hard to predict or put on the table. The minute we saw Tenko's backstory, it gave clues, tons of it.
Man this video hurt, not because this was poorly written, edited or that you had poor points.
But because everything you said was right
it feels like there was so much story we should’ve seen. that’s the only thing i can really say.
It should have been paced ala Harry Potter - MHA’s story should fit within three years, and the final arc takes place during the final weeks of Deku and co’s time in UA. And the ending should coincide with 1A (now 3A) graduating and become true Pro Heroes.
But nope, we get one super-crammed story, making it look like Deku and 1A some sort of black hole for plot development and resolution.
@@kaydee66781 who says ala?
@@JinchurikiDemon french speakers. It's common to say in french. But it's written "à la"
@@aikotitilai3820 hes speaking english tho
What makes things even more ironic AFO was basically the puppet master in MHA Vigilanties too. It pretty much ends in a giant kaiju fight but it's still cuz of him. Actually I dont think he psycically appears the whole story outside of a flashback where we learn that he was behind an underground fighting ring too lmao.
All for One is like the worst Aspects of Aizen and Kaguya molded into one potato
56:44 It makes even less sense, now that we know the Doctor did in fact know about AFO's plan all along, seeing as how he had "backups" in case Shigaraki failed!
You pretty much included everything about why this makes no sense, but I'd like to add one more point with the Doctor. So, he obviously knew that AFO planned to take over Shigaraki's body....So then why was he giving Shigaraki the option to not go through with the procedure??? He said he'd give Tomura power ONLY if Shigaraki wanted it! In fact, he even questioned WHY he wanted it moments before the procedure began! Why would he not only give Shigaraki the option to deny the opportunity, but also question the decision as well???
It makes no sense to me!
56:50 When the realization hit me my mind also began to spiral
He really did not plan this shit omg
AFO from the very beginning always and I mean always oppose All Might in every aspect.
He chose to punch the shit out of Might, he chose a successor, he inspired a new gen of villains. Then all of that was thrown out of the window.
MHA was a real iccuras moment. it just needed more time to develop everything, characters, themes, arcs, plot all of it. the worst of it all is that it really felt like it was all going somewhere but now it's official it's going to end this year.
But man a lot of MAH is still so good. it's gonna turn into a naruto now. It's legacy being defined by how it ended, not how it got there.
You pretty much put everything I had of an issue with My Hero and explain to everyone. Thank you.
This is honestly such a good video, not only did you show the problems but also brought solutions. Listening to you turned out to be both helpful and entertaining, and I'm glad I decided to watch it whole
The thing I took away from Jirou vs All for One is that it plays into Jirou's story during the cultural festival about how she can help people through her music similarly to how heroes do. So, her heartbeat resonated within the vestiges of All for One in order to get them to rise up against him. Also about how while she is just a side character, she can still fight just as hard as others which allows the vestiges to have the courage to rebel as well. A.F.O even makes a point to say she isn't strong enough to hurt him at all, it's her will that's causing the quirks to fight back,
And that was honestly just stupid as hell. Felt like such an asspull and really made AFO even more underwhelming
I would've loved to see Deku become a self sacrificing vigilante who spirals because of all the trauma he has experienced, see Endeavor and Hawks punished for their actions, Dabi steadily breaking down hero society like he suggested in stuble ways, Shigaraki continue to parallel Deku and becoming the big bad like how Deku is the big hero, All Might becoming a better mentor and person realizing that constant positive feelings and giving isn't good, let the people who have experienced trauma (like everyone) either get therapy or spiral and breakdown. Not even mentioning the character problems that existed beforehand: such as every female student in UA looking all too similar to each other, all of those shirtless scenes with the boys, lack of three dimensional characters, etc.
I'm very sad to see such an interesting concept fall apart.
just imagine if we thought dekus arm was fine the whole arc until he was confronted by class 1A and when he took his suit off he did not have an arm the whole time. He was using black whip and covered it with his suit. I feel like that would have made things more interesting and he could have some cool attacks
I'm kind of glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. The Paranormal War Arc especially felt like it would be a turning point. For the Heroes, for society and especially for the Villains. I always felt that it should've been followed up by something much longer, that really dives into how broken Japan is right now. How the Heroes are coping with this new world where everyone doubts them. If what happened during the war was a step too far for some Villains, like Spinner or perhaps even Toga, and not at all what they had envisioned when they joined the League and they realize it's worsening the problems they hoped to solve by joining.
But then nope, we watch Deku run around for a bit and not getting anywhere because quintessential "friendship is great" shonen thing, Aoyama is the traitor, AFO and Dabi magically corrupt everyone so there's no more moral ambiguity, now on to the final fight! I will never like the Villain Hunt Arc, but if it was perhaps followed up by another few arcs that let us stew in the new status quo for a bit and wrap up all the emotional plotlines before getting to the big final fight, it certainly would've been more tolerable.
I really think Horikoshi is just burned out and just wants to get it done. Especially Bakugo's death really feels like an author deliberately self-sabotaging because he just wants to be rid of the series.
He didn't even die, more Shonen bs
@@makoaatlas4782 I know, right? I mean, if you are going to kill off one of your leads, commit to it; go Kamina or go home. Don't use it as a cheap two-week shock only to then immediately undo it. I personally think the only way they could still make it work is 1. Edgeshot fails; Bakugo stays dead, 2. Bakugo is revived, but way too late to still make a difference or 3. We'd get an entire arc where Bakugo has to deal with the trauma of what he went through and the fact Edgeshot died for him to be revived.
And let's be honest, Horikoshi isn't going to do any of those.
@@VeWatchesVideos Or bakugous comes to life, helps izuku defeat Shigaraki and finally can rest in piece knowing that his friend would become the number one hero. I mean, it's still shonen BS, however, it would be very emotional to some degree I think
As someone who's only watched the anime and read some comments before watching the video, I don't understand why AFO is now the main villain. I thought the direction the series was heading (and the whole point of it) was to set up a big final fight between Shigaraki and Deku. Their parallels are so (intentionally) similar, both of them having the best mentors with rival quirks, unlocking numerous abilities and learning to use them, having their own teams, and being at odds... It doesn't make sense to re-introduce AFO as the "main" villain when, so far, the story has led audiences to believe the torches of both AFO and OFA were being passed down and leading to a new fight.
There's still some hope. The editor who has been working with hori since the end of the war arc 8 has been fired. It maybe too late to fix everything, but there's still a chance to salvage SOMETHING.
He kinda addressed it in the video. As much as it is possible to salvage something, the story wants to end. Unless Hori or someone else(like MHA Shippuden or something, maybe the Vigilantes and/or TeamUp Mission people could do a spin-off) continues to push forward beyond the set end date, there's just too much to resolve in too little time. I hope things change, but it's just not likely. I'm kinda glad in a way. Given how magical MHA is(or I guess was) maybe taking a break, and starting something new is the best option, I sure know I'd follow him to whatever project he does next. I can't get enough of his artwork.
@@jeremiahnsube372 He always has the anime to fall back on.
@@Valstrax420 What do you mean?
@@jeremiahnsube372 Yuyuhakusho was also rushed like this in the manga, but the anime was different and better paced making it the definitive version of Yuyuhakusho.
@@Valstrax420 Haven't watched that anime. Did they make any significant plot changes to improve the story like adding scenes or filler episodes or is it more a Demon Slayer situation where it takes what the manga has given and improves everything but doesn't add much?
1 year ago, @Oceaniz predicted the "All for One" is basically "the first"
He isn't.
S1&S2 are sooooooooooooooooooooo good. Those two back to back are goated. Even the first half of S3 is within that level of quality.
S1, S2, first half of S3, S4, were all so good. It drops in quality after that.
@@Valstrax420 I almost think the S4 finale wraps up the series with more dignity than the story could muster, if S5 indicates anything
@@Valstrax420 S4 would've been better if the animation wasn't ass
@@piccolo54trunks2 first half waa good
I remember when people were hating every new season that was put out.