Ultimate Controller Comparison | Input lag, etc. (PS5, PS4, Xbox SX/Elite 2/One, eSwap Pro)
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- This video is a reupload because of a bug that influenced the input lag data of the PlayStation controllers. Make sure to check it out, to see what has changed. Here is a detailed explanation of the issue: • The USB port does chan... .
Today, I bring you all the next-gen, premium, and last-gen controller information on the DualSense, Xbox Series X controller, Xbox Elite Series 2, Thrustmaster eSwap Pro, DualShock 4 and Xbox One S controller that you could ever ask for. Input lag; polling rates; data on stick tension, accuracy, sensitivities, and deadzones; button forces; trigger travel; controller weight; and a lot more.
The software that shows as Precision Tester can be found as JoyTester2.exe online. I don't think there is an official download anywhere so use at your own risk.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Reupload?
0:16 Intro
1:03 Controller Features
3:31 Polling Rates
5:52 Overclocked Polling Rates
7:44 Input Lag Wired
10:20 Input Lag Overclocked
12:42 Input Lag Wireless
14:54 Input lag compared to previously tested controllers
15:26 Physical Input Lag
16:47 Analog Stick Accuracy
18:13 Analog Stick Recentering (min Deadzone)
20:22 Outer Circle Consistency
21:18 Stick Handling
22:51 Buttons & Triggers
24:33 Shape, Size, and Feel
27:04 Weight
27:48 Connection (Cable)
28:29 Repairability
29:59 Summary
31:19 My conclusion
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Alternative controller names for searching
Sony DualSense
Sony Dual Sense
Sony DualShock 5
DS5
DSense
Sony DualShock 4
Sony DualShock4
Sony Dual Shock 4
DS4
Xbox Series X controller
Xbox Series S controller
New Xbox controller
Xbox Elite Series 2
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Thrustmaster eSwap Pro controller - Ігри
Due to reuploads not being watched by most subscribers (for obvious reasons). I would very much appreciate your likes and comments for the algorithm :)
I will update this comment if I have news on the input lag bug. The previous video explaining the issue can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/82K3Pb0178g/v-deo.html
Thanks! Glad to see the eSwap I previously bought actually doing far better on the input lag test.
This video was excellent. Very informative!
You should definitely have so much more subscribers, but I guess not all of us are tech-oriented, I love your content!! thank you for this video.
Rocket Science - considering the Thrustmaster Eswap (X) Pro controllers because of my large hands... do you think there are any major differences between an Eswap Pro with NXG S2s or an Eswap X Pro with NXG S5s when it comes to how they behave in Rocket League? Seeing as one will be basically using Ps4 firmware and the other Xbox One firmware... I thought perhaps that could still make a difference. I would like to go with the X Pro, but if it's limited or less responsive than the Pro I might change my mind.
bro checkout anti micro it gives me 0.3ms input lag on my logitech controller
The fact that there's subtitles for a 30+ min. video is simply amazing
You can thank UA-cam for their auto sync. I just have to provide the script that I wrote anyway.
@@RocketScience Still cheers for adding it.
@@IndividualQuestion merc. The body closely resembles the standardized hit box, you have a higher chance of demoing them when they jump to avoid it as you can actually see your whole hit box, compared to octane/fennec
The fact that there's a wild yens is simply more amazing -Unchained.
@@RocketScience Careful with that if you have ad reads, it de-syncs the scripts.
- I guess there’s an option to account for the ad read, but I’ve seen it still bug out and take a while to sync up again.
Finally, a great in-depth review about controllers. I was tired of just finding videos about people reviewing the controllers "on the surface", but I wanted to see a scientific one that really takes out the subjectivity so I can have the most accuarate decision about getting one of those, especially for competitive games. Thank you!
So which controller u bought?
@@aliarsalan9614 due my financial status I have the Xbox Series one, but when I have the money I will surely get the ones with higher refresh/tic rates and better analog stick accuracy.
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You hands down make the best RL videos for detailed stuff like this! It would be awesome to see another update to this video with newer controllers like Thrustmaster, KingKong, Wolverine, etc. 🙏🙏
Thank you for explaining the XBOX One controller polling rate limitation even when set to 1000hz. I've spent hours trying to see where I went wrong bc I kept setting it at 1000Hz but getting the same input lag test results over and over in XInput. I thought it had to do with an error on my part. This is a great video to actually understand how the benefits work.
So is overclocking your Xbox controller still worth it?
@@1SlyGuy for me I believe so. 👍🏻
@@chrishunter1226how do you overclock a controller on pc? Sorry newb question
I sincerely thank you for all this comprehensive testing you've done! I'm using Xbox One S controller, now I finally know that it's objectively the worst, yay... The wear over time is also terrible and I'll need to replace it soon - I'll definitely use your link if I don't have any significantly cheaper options available.
Most comprehensive analysis I've seen so far.
Great work!
the effort youve put into this is nuts
Came here to choose between Xbox 360, One, elite & X, and ended by thinking of a dual sense... Good video, good vocabulary, good practical tests. Thanks!
Best controller comparison I have ever seen period! Well done!
I appreciate the effort you put into creating this content. Thank you.
Wow, so comprehensive and you have obviously put so much time into making this video, I have subscribed
Never seen such a detailed controller review so I'm gonna check out your other stuff
I have been waiting for this video and now that it arrived, I have to say the work you put in is very noticeable. Great video. I will probably get the eswap x pro now that I can confirm that it is the right controller for me. Thanks.
Unbelievable content. This video should have so many more views. Keep up the good work!
OMG this video is amazing and came at just the perfect time for me. I watched it twice. Thank you.
It's a video that I imagine pro-gamers should watch too in order to remain competitive.
Personally, I've only just recently discovered Rocket League and have quite quickly come to love it and come to realize how significant this game will be in the future of e-sports. I also realize just how limited your movements are using only a keyboard. I haven't been much of a gamer in the past, but I know I want to play more Rocket League now, and I also know I need an analog controller in order to develop further as a player. In just the past few days of playing with a keyboard, I knew I was going to have to do some research to figure out what controller to get, and this video just helped me save so much time, and helped me to learn some things about controllers (like overclocking) that I probably wouldn't have ever even thought about having not watched it. So once again, thank you so much for providing that information in such great detail. I am definitely now a subscriber, and look forward to more content. Thanks again.
you are a hero. the most indepth review that ive needed after returning 6+ controllers. thank you.
Great video. Got myself a DualSense and I love it. I used to have a DS4 and, while it was great, I always struggled holding it because of my large hands.
This is the most useful and informative video on the topic, that I've ever seen! Keep it up ❤
Thank you for creating this video! I just started looking into buying a new controller. This definitely helped me in my decision.
This was everything I was hoping for and more! Thank you!
Great video, very clear! Thanks for all the effort put into it.
Thank you! Hope the algorithm blesses you
Thank you so much for doing this, amazing work!
Appreciate all the research you do brother ❤️
Great work, i have been waiting for your video. i hope you can test more controllers in the near future and that the companies making them take your data to improve their product :)
Thanks for your valuable research!!
Very, very thorough work. Thank you for the work you've done in this space
My boy went full homemade scientist on us! Love it!! So many answers answered 👏👏
i just like the work you put in. for the algorithm!
This deserves so much more views! Let's gooooo!
The amount of information in this video is ridiculous, respect
Great video. I wish you could make another and include Scuff and Battle Beaver, some of the Pro alternative controllers like this. Excellent video though!
Amazing video dude, so much information
IDK if you're still making content anywhere or not but I've just come across your channel and this older content is FANTASTIC stuff. I wish someone would get this comprehensive on the popular controllers of 2024 such as Apex 4, V3P, Scuf Envision pro, the many Gamesir controllers etc etc. it would be so helpful.
I have both the T4K & V3P but recently came across Gamepadla that shows how slow the Flydigi controllers really are. I'm guessing it has to do with some of what you covered in this video. Not to mention how truly fast the T4K supposedly is. That thing is an absolute steal at $35-40
Wow man tysm your such a legend for doing this video. Keep it up 😃
Thanks, this really helped me pick a controller to buy for PC for playing TrackMania. I was very close to buying the Elite 2 or DualSense but I'll settle for a Series X controller due to it being natively compatible with Windows and the analog stick centering performance.
Omg thats a real detailed content, congratulations and thanks haha
Incredible job as always!
THANK YOU. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND UNDER RATED.
That weird Xbox analog issue… I wonder if it’s just a windows driver problem or if it goes deeper. If you have the time and curiosity, I’d love to see further testing, potentially on Linux. Great video! I’ll pick up a dualsense later today :)
Best controller comprehensive video. Thank You For this!
Thank you so much for your dedicated work on this
Just, cheers; great video and thank you for the work!
Thanks man every time a new section started I was like “seriously, more?” (in a good way.) Also appreciate your recommendations, it’s hard for me to remember previous content to make a decision.
Really good stuff. Thank you for doing this.
very well done and made a big difference in making up my mind
Now this is fantastic information - You and Battle(non)sense need to get together! THANK YOU 👍
Your channel deserves much more subs and views
Your videos are always great
I've been down the rabbit hole of choosing a controller for a good few weeks now and I really feel like that I'll go for Eswap now. Thanks!
Another interesting product to see reviewed like this would be razer wolverine series.
Have you bought an eswap? I heard they have a crazy stick drift problem
@@LockMatch Hey! Yes, I bought Eswap Pro X - The Xbox version. It has perfect sticks with zero stick drift even after 4 months of regular use. I also did an overclock on it, but after consulting in halfwaydeads discord server, it seems to be true that PS version overclocks better, if You care about that. I chose to go with X version so that onscreen symbols matches face button symbols on controller. I can only recommend the controller. My only gripe with it is the placement of back buttons. I was hoping to use my little finger and ring finger to be able to access all 4 of them at the same time, but that isn't confortable for me with normal sized hands. Instead I use ring finger to play around with 2 buttons on each side. With some clever rebinding I feel pretty comfortable with this setup. Recommended. :)
Fantastic video bro. Well done.
That's the kind of review the world needs. I've bought an Elite Series 2, thought it was shit, had it replaced, thought it was shit again, returned it, got the eSwap and am happy now. Had I had this video back then it would have saved me a lot of trouble. Sincere thanks m8.
This video is really well made, thank you
Thank you for all of this work!
We're all super grateful you're suffering through this rigorous testing! I hope people see this before their wallets suffer the consequence of planned obsolescence😆
I watched it all. And despite the summary I’m still confused. Which is the best one to get for Xbox series S / X ?
I didn't see it and bought the eswap X first before realizing the triggers are so vastly diff then what ive been used to that it destroys my power slide cuts.
@@freefalling2earth Sorry yo, didn't see your comment till now lol but to answer your question, for Xbox, the best in sense of input lag and switches and what not, not just imo, would be the Thrustmaster Eswap Pro-X.
I do have one and can speak for it's consistency. The only downside is the Thrustmapper app on Xbox is a bit finicky. Seems the PC version is priority but it gets the job done lol hope that helps!🧡
@@thaddeus1519 Really ehh? Hmmm.. well that isn't fun. Unfortunate to hear man! Have you tried any of the triggers from other mod kits?
None of the triggers really bother me any. Besides it hurting my finger a bit more if I squeeze too hard, because they're metal lol but that's more user error on my end😅
@@Phatxual No def not! I had no idea it was going to be so big. My own fault for not researching it in depth before buying. It's also just a weird ass shape. Don't understand why they couldn't copy the xbox shape that has been ideal for 10+ years and just add those amazing sticks they have.
No argument here tho the sticks are super superior to xbox stock controllers.
Very very very very very good and informative video! I came from vCuda's recommendation to watch this video over the Thrustmaster.
I watched his video, purchased a Thrustmaster eswap X Pro, then watched this to see if I'd made a bad decision. Time will tell once my controller is delivered, but I think I made a good choice.
How do you like it? I just bought one.
@@jakeb9508 I still have it, and it's doing pretty good! I purchased a spare thumb stick and I haven't had to use it yet. No drift unless I move the stick a little and then take my thumb off of it. But, if I move the thumb stick back, it's back to that brand new no drift feeling.
I like the software. The ability to set the triggers' activation spots independently is a possible game changer.
I'm coming from a Razer Wolverine Ultimate, and can say that there is a learning curve to the precision of these sticks. But, it feels (and by the proof of this video, performs) more accurate.
Love your content! Keep it up!
Thank you for being such a responsive youtuber!
This is really amazing content. And it highlights the lack of though put in by manufacturers on their controllers. With all this information I'm wondering if sticking with a mouse and keyboard is actually better. But for casual gaming, I'll stick with an xbox controller simply for comfort.
Thank you for this video!
Very valuable information; honestly, eSwap sounds amazing, but the fact that you see the Xbox layout on Rocket League bothers me more than it should (and it's a shame it doesn't work right out of the box, but it's a minor issue for casual players). For now my DualSense is fine, but when/if it breaks, I'll definitely consider the eSwap and I'll try to overcome my annoyance about the GUI layout lol.
Thanks for gathering all this data!.
Hey sorry to bother, does your dualsense still work? Where I live it's not exactly cheap and well, I would like it to last longer than 6 months you know?
Fantastic video! Sincere question, in the near future, do you plan to do the same testing for the Razer Tournament and Wolverine Ultimate variants? I wouldn't even mention them if the were just re-skinned versions of other controllers, but they do tout their version of ultra low latency technology. It would also be intriguing to see if there's truth behind their mechanical switches for the buttons on the face. I have felt them before, and it was really satisfying to feel. I believe they have a claim saying that it's faster than all other membrane switches or something like that.
Can't thank you enough for all your videos again!
its insane how much work you put into these, thanks a lot man. Watched the whole way through and definitely learned a lot. Also thanks for showing that you can overclock your controller that will 100% help my gameplay. Im gonna use your creator code now just to say thanks.
Very useful information! Thanks!
„Oh you subscribed thanks” said in a perfect very moment that I clicked sub button. Perfect timing bro xD
good work bro i know this was a ton of work 👍🏽
thaaaaaaanks so much, what a job! keep doing things like that please
I love the amount of detail in this video
Hey man, I really appreciate the hard work you put into this investigation. I've used your tips in the past to reduce input lack by overclocking my ds4 controller. After moving from ps4 to my new PC I noticed a huge difference in input lag, especially because I have a 144 hz monitor. I never realized how much input lag was hurting my mechanics because it was always there, so I didn't really notice it. At that point I used your videos to minimize the input lag from all sources. Not only did I see an instant rank improvement, but training became much easier and I am improving at a much higher rate. I was hard stuck in diamond before and now I'm in the champ ranks and still doing well. Thanks a lot!
Thanks for the thorough review! Do you have plans to continue adding more 3rd party controllers to your data? I know some people use Scuf, and I personally have a Razer Wolverine. Any way we can get notified if you update your data in the linked Onedrive file, or should we just keep an eye out for another video?
would be great to see those controllers you mentioned tested too. I would also be intressted in the controller from hex gaming be tested
Cant tell you how much I appreciate what you do for this community. Ive played with xbox controllers since the game came out and never got past Champ 2 on pc. Switched to DS4 and overclocked my controller, now I hit GC after only a month of using DS4. There is so much input lag on xbox controllers, that when I switched to DS4, my timing was VERY off because the car would turn wayyy faster than I expected it to. I spent so much time with my $8000 build being bottlenecked by CONTROLLER LATENCY! WTF MICROSOFT! Idk how I was competing in C2 with that much input lag. I get stable 480fps on 12700k/2080ti and I run DS4 wireless @1000hz polling.
How long did it take you to get used to the DS4 from Xbox? Kinda feel like the Xbox controller is just not fully compatible with Rocket league.
@@astralpurpose1344 Honestly it was like a week or so of it feeling weird in my hands, (big hands Im 6'4) but I was still doing better immediately. Also, the PS5 (dualsense) controller can be set to 8000hz polling and has even lower input lag (0.0ms vs 0.3-0.5ms) than the DS4. One thing of note, I felt like the DS4 sticks had more range of motion (maybe 1/4" more travel?) than the PS5 version, but the PS5 controllers thumbsticks and the shape of the controller feel much more like the xbox controller to me if that matters you. Both are insanely better than any xbox controller. Raising your polling rate is almost as helpful as raising your frames per second. Two people of equal skill/fps are not even remotely equal if one has 250hz polling (xbox) and the other has 8000hz polling (dualsense). If you dont know, the polling rate determines how often your controller sends info to the pc. Higher polling rate means that your controller inputs will be registered way faster and way more often at 8000hz than 250hz. Meaning if we both press jump at the same time, I'll be in the air before you if my polling rate is higher. (granted your pc needs to be able to handle the polling rate and higher polling is more helpful with high fps than low fps). If you are freestyling or air dribbling, you will have more control with higher polling rate because the controller will register your adjustments much faster. Hope this helps you and anyone else that might see this. Good luck out there 🙏
@@bealight5141 hmmm thanks for the comment bro. I picked up the eswap x pro and it just feels horrible. I’m 6’3 with average hand size. I’m might try out the dualsense edge as I have so much muscle memory with the back a paddle.
Holy moly, this was amazing. I've been really considering getting the eSwap X, looks like I made a good choice! I still need to test one, because I play with a really weird grip (pinch both sticks with thumb and index, middle on bumpers, ring fingers on triggers) and have small hands, so it may not be comfortable. Right now I'm using the 2nd gen Nvidia Shield controller, I got to try it at a friend's house one day and it felt amazing with the grip that I use. Unfortunately, I'm experiencing some ridiculous stick drift (software based I think, occasionally the left stick moves full-deflection to the left. I can fix it momentarily by moving it, but within 2-5 seconds it goes back. This is not a constant problem, some times it acts up more than others. It's very bothersome, especially since that's how I use air roll) and want to get a new controller. Thanks so much for the comparison!
you need to upload a POV of how you grip your controller hahahha what the fuck!
Youre a menace for that grip unless you have a disability
You are doing God's work here. Thank you!
Don’t usually comment but what an amazing video 👌🏾
Crazy! As soon as I subscribed you said, "oh you subscribed." Almost like you were watching me!
Best controller review out there.
great thorough video bro
Great video Rock Lee the science guy!
As someone who loves nerding out about controllers, this was a treat
I wish all controller Reviews would be like this, instead of beeing opinion pieces where i can pull the same conclusion out of my but within a few mins of just looking at them.
Impressive testing!
Great Video man
😊😊
This video and spreadsheet is amazing. Still curious how Razer and Power-A offerings fall into these latency charts!
Razer is the fastest responding controller I've ever used
Thanks, u helped a lot on my decision. Can you make video about which way is the best for using Dualsense on pc? Steam, DS4Windows or DualsenseX etc. ?
Any info on the new eswap X pro controller? Since it is designed for Xbox Series X, does it have the same issues the xbox controllers in your review had, or is it similar in performance to the PS4 version eswap you reviewed?
you're awesome dude, that's hard work.
When I first got a Dualsense it was cause it looked cool,but after playin fighting games I realised how much better it was, all my combos and hitconfirms were much more consistent, I was very surprised just how much the difference was,my only issue is that the dpad doesn't feel nice to use in mortal Kombat
Very interesting video learned a lot! thanks.
18:14 Can confirm this issue on a Xbox One controller bought during the 1st pandemic wave (march 2020), right from the get go. No use and already not a perfect recentering. However I've used it A LOT since then (thanks to ya 3 consecutive waves ;D) and it hasn't degraded further, yet. This lil' thingy aside, a very solid controller all around. Eager to see if it'll outlive my previous Xbox 360 controller (12+ years of good and hardy service).
This video is still the most comprehensive controller review on the internet.
Yes this is what I have been waiting for!
great review mate
Incredibly useful video!
Amazing video, thanks!
I don't know why I got this recommended, but WOW it is gooodd!!!!!
Brilliant work!
Been waiting 4 months for this video
Please keep doing this!
I just want to leave a comment for the algorithm. Super great video. You saved me from buying the Elite controller and I'll stick with the standard wireless controller. Have saved me 70 euros through this video. Thankseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :)
Hey @HalfwayDead do you plan on making an end-all be-all video or videos about input lag/performance improvement specifically for Rocket League including PC optimizations, Windows Optimizations, Nvidia settings, FSE, TA settings and hardware related to controllers (USB Ports, Cables) ?