What Are South Korean Women Doing to Men?
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
- A radical feminist movement in South Korea tells women that instead of fighting the patriarchy, they should turn their backs on men once and for all. Let's talk about it.
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As someone who lives in S. Korea all I got from this episode is that Brett knows nothing about Korea except for what is on Tik Tok
Exactly 💯
Exactly........
Well to be fair I don't even know that much I don't live in your country or care about you at all at least she is trying.🤷♂️
taking tiktok's word like only a gullible zoomer could lol
@@skyevens8756 no one cares that you don't care. her not informing herself about a topic she's choosing to present is the polar opposite of trying.
From what I gathered from street interviews I watched and articles I read, the declining marriage and birth rates are because Koreans are overworked and having children is too expensive. Their education system is brutal, it puts an insane pressure on the kids to get only good grades, to go to good universities then find an excellent corporate job where they spend most of their time. Not a lot of time left for dating and recreational activities I’d imagine. And I don’t think motherhood is incentivized much.
Thx for saying this man. I tired seeing all this missinform video by westerners
This is also happening in Japan. Actually, Asian culture tend to be much more traditional in their values than western countries like the US. A lot of older generations prefer the role of woman to be at home, taking care of the kids and the man to be the bread winner. This issue is that in today’s GLOBAL economy it’s so difficult to have that lifestyle.
It’s just insane how this is not just a national issue, but a global one.
Korea's specific problem is their materialism. They're rated as the #1 most materialistic nation. I don't believe that to be true anyways since places like UAE exist but Korea is definitely up there.
Places with lower wages, struggling to afford food on a regular basis, have much higher birth rates. How are people not pointing this out??
@@CanadianEhHole People who are more poor than Koreans tend to have more children as you pointed out but that is due to other factors, either it’s religion, high infant mortality or financial incentive. I don’t believe in South Korea there’s much incentive to have children and everyone interviewed said it was insanely expensive to have children. Most likely because the mother would have to give up her job and halve the family income. I would imagine then when the mother doesn’t have a good paying job and is from a rural area it’s not a massive issue but since a lot of the population is in the big cities all potential mothers would have jobs and the expenses would be much higher. As someone mentioned in the comments the work week is like 70 hours as opposed to most Western countries 40 hours. It doesn’t leave much time to raise kiddies.
Yep, it's basically the same as what's happening in Japan. A brutal work culture that leaves little time and energy for dating. And if they really follow the same core issues, South Korea would have a culture and policies that benefit the elderly much more than the younger generation, while pushing said generation through the proverbial meat grinder. That on itself would be a motivation to not having children.
Brett,you don't fully understand the situation here. Not wearing makeup and shaving their head really is a big deal for korean women because,unlike the west,the beauty standards over there are INSANE. 18 year olds are known to receive plastic surgeries as their graduation gifts. Any woman over 47 kg is considered fat,no matter her height. The plastic surgeries,skin care and makeup there is on another level,their beauty industry is disgusting. They really should take a stand.
South Korean beauty standards are nuts. Shaving one's head if definitely a bold stance against them. I'm not sure if that actually helps public perception but more power to them, I guess
Have you not seen the man, sorry but they got more plastic in them then the woman
My best friend is South Korean, and imagine my shock when she told me that for her cousins middle school graduation gift, the parents paid for her cousin's double eyelid surgery.
They want to take a stand by hating men? that makes zero sense.
@@Law19157 it makes 0 sense bc brett did not take the time to research this topic and shes just repeating what she hears from tiktokers. so those of you who are not generally aware of korean culture/society are now so confused. 😂
Brett educate yourself why not wearing makeuo is really revolutionary in south korea. A woman without makeup or wearing specs would not get jobs , might be harrassed in streets 🙄
But who ever could be made see when they turn blind eyes!
femcel wants to spread misery pathetic
so their gonna get themselves stupidly injured as well as never employed while forever living at their dads place while complaining about men? how is this helping anyone?
@@DangerZone200are you slow?
Never listen to indians about korea. They are trying to deflect the fact that they live in worst country on earth in terms of human rights. They literally act like they know us
Wait I thought all men were too stupid to know when a girl is wearing makeup? And that women wear makeup for themselves because they like it? The floor is responsibility and women are wall running 😂
South Korea Goes exctinct
North Korea: Finally my time has come
Literally
North Korea also has poor replacement rates, though more than South Korea
this is the only way communism can win DPRK (democratic peoples republic of korea(north Korea))
People of North Korea are not having children either, and we all know why.
Funny you say that. The far right of Korea thinks that North Korea had something to do with the absurdly low birthrates. Kindof like a conspiracy theory.😅
From what I understand, this is very small movement. The bigger issues in SK from what I've heard Koreans talk about regarding not having kids is living expenses (most jobs are in Seoul which is super expensive), the government increased the cap on work hours to 69 hours a week, and Koreans have the highest amount of consumer debt in the developed world. How are you supposed to become a mother when you have to work 70 hours a week just to survive?
This is true
This is what I was thinking. I often agree with things that Brett says, but she doesn't know anything about Korea, and its society.
So previously you'd have a single income family of 40 to 60 hour weeks, now you have two income family totalling 140 hour weeks? How'd putting women in the workplace and deflating the cost of labor work for the middle class?
Correct! it's a really small movement. Feminism is rejected in society by Korea. But just because this tiny movevent it's highlighted on TikTok people think it's widespread
Exactly. It's actually a very very very small percentage of those women. The rest of them are offline and not involved in this. It's like when you see the overt and grandiose attention-seeker histrionic wokes all over the internet, they may look like a ton of people, but they only make up a very tiny fraction of people.
I’m South Korean female, I am not a feminist, but I have always grew up knowing that when a women marries into a Korean family the mother in law hates on the daughter in law. The daughter in law has to bear a son for the family and if they don’t they will ridicule her. They treat the daughter in law as a slave to produce child and be a quiet servant. My mom went threw this experience until she had a son but still my dad’s family were super mean. It’s not like my dad had any money either. They were dirt poor but my grandma was cruel to my mom until she passed. But the way that families treat the daughter in law is cruel. She always have to walk on egg shells. My friend is getting married soon and I can say her mother in law hates her and treats her pretty badly. The Korean marriage system actually sucks. Why would any family allow their own daughter to be treated poorly for them to be making children of different family. Now Korean women can make their own money and not walk on eggshells all the time. And that’s why I’m not marrying Korean men. There is such a high chance for the mother in law to have high standards even if they don’t have money. Korean families are stressful to handle. Thank God I’m Korean American I can just marry American or European and have better chance to live peacefully.
Sorry for this but Europeans and alot of families in the usa are the same
@@AustralianPatriot123 but you don't have to live with your in-laws. Der
@@mcraft1181 you lose shit and get more shot your point little bro
@@AustralianPatriot123Not the same. Korea is notorious even in Asia for this side of the culture.
@@ll-nf2bs you are not European you are aisan if I am right i know my kind
I love your content, but I feel like this is a heavily ill-researched segment. Korea's idea of feminism is very necessary and a lot less radical than American feminism. I'm Korean American and I can see from my peers that Korean women are much more modest and less sexually active because this is simply not in our culture (yet.) Korean women are also overworked and are many times ill-equipped to have children since traditional gender roles are still in place (i.e. women need to take care of the children) without the economics to maintain those standards. Most Koreans work in Seoul (the capital) yet the rent and house prices for a sizeable apartment are atrocious even compared to NYC's standards. Most Koreans live with their family until marriage so they are able to save up money to move out and buy a house with their spouse once they marry, it is no irresponsible, it is part of my culture. Also, Korean feminism is much needed. Less than 15 years ago there was a horrific child r*** case and the man was only charged 12 years. Domestic abuse is still heavily normalized in the older generation and many law enforcement officers overlook it. I hope that maybe you can research more about Korea's sociopolitical system because it is really interesting to see from an American persepctive.
As a Korean person i can say this is FAKE NEWS. you proving Brett correct. If you actually watch the video its people like you who really didnt live in Korea that is saying this. Less than 5% of women agree with 4B movement in S Korea
We Conservatives aren't feminists, you see. We believe we're equal in God's eyes (if the person is Christian). And Feminism has only destroyed this judeo-Christian society.
I came to find this comment!!! Sexual predators are treated less harshly than drug users. Most men see men are mere objects. It’s crazy. I’ve seen the nth room and welcome to video case and there’s so so so much wrong with the society. No one wants to bring more humans into such a world.
As a Korean immigrant to the US it's pretty obvious you know nothing about Korea and have no idea what you're even talking about. Do me a favor and google "여성시대 사건사고“ and read the page on 나무위키, then come back and say "Korea's idea of feminism is a lot less radical than American feminism" ... although I doubt you can even read Korean considering this 1gn0rant comment you wrote. Also the US has 3.5 times higher cases of SA per 100,000 people than Korea and most other developed countries follow a similar trend, so violence has nothing to do with low birth rates. Not to mention that this 4B movement isn't even a thing in Korea, statistics show that most Koreans who renounce their citizenship or have a fiance from a foreign country are men. It's Korean MEN that are running from Korean women, not the other way.
What in the North Korean psy-op is this?
Jokes aside, North Korea now spends comparable efforts in their cyberwarfare department as they do in their nuclear program.
North Korea about to win without needing to fire a single bullet.
Right? Makes you wonder how much of our population decline in the USA is caused by high powers (domestic or abroad, who knows, possibly both)
Less than 4,000 members in their echo chamber forum! The average people don't know...
Haha
I sat next to a Korean woman on a flight. It came up that she was getting married soon but not planning to have kids, because raising children is so expensive in Korea. I think that the economy over there is a big reason for the population decline.
exactly this! most of my Korean friends (studied in the US) have gf's and never even heard of this movement. Typical rabid western propaganda to make this seem bigger than it is when the situation is actually the other way around
Seems like we’re headed in the same direction in the US
So explain how poor countries with an average of $1200 annual income are having more kids...
Cost is not the #1 issue. If people wanted to, they could cut back on expenses. South Korea has a very serious materialistic problem. Wealth, expensive cars, etc. are seen as #1 priority for people. Shallowness is on the rise and people pretending like cost is the main culprit of this are delusional. ALL of the places with the highest birth rates in the world are the poorest, lowest income, barely scraping by to put food on the table each day kind of countries.
@@CanadianEhHole more kids = more working hands
poorer countries tend to revolve around primary industry and secondary industry, where more working hands equals more money
different from developed countries where tertiary industry is widespread, where the smarter brains equals more money
@@HannahKim_1021 💯💯💯
I think it's interesting how they leave out the high rate of rape and sexual assault that occurs there. There are so many laws that don't help women after rape and sexual assault. There was several ppl involved in a huge blackmail of sexual assault that involved over 200k men. It's been pushed under the rug due to their culture over how they are viewed by others. They care more about their image than protecting girls and women from being raped. There was a case of one of the most brutal rapes in their history and the guy only served a couple years and is now getting the best round the block protection from their government. It's crazy. If a guy claims he's drink and raped a woman he can get away with it or die a few months depending on how badly she's hurt and if there is proof based on their laws. Insane.
No statistics mate
@@AustralianPatriot123 not what people who actually live in south korea say. cope.
@@avelynn5976 lol woman cope harder
Bullshit. Korea has one of the lowest sexual crime rates in the world. The women “feel” unsafe while they are in the safest country in the world
Fake news you are spreading here. Please do your research. Diddy, Harvey Winestein, and Jefferey Epstein got away with it for decades. does that mean US laws dont protect women? no, so why make judgement?
I’ve just watched the Burning Sun documentary and in a way, I understand more now why this movement appears. Women are being treated like trash, along with the high cost of living now, it’s a wild dream to settle down, get married and get married. I lowkey hope that this moment will become bigger cuz there needs to be a wake up call.
There are many Korean women working at BroadCasting companies. And they always tried to portrait Korean men as awful as possible in their documentaries and TV series. Do not believe what you see on these TV programs and documentaries. It is Korean men who are disadvantageous and oppressed in the current society of Korea.
Is that a docufiction like Cleopatra? Call me jaded but I've seen so much garbage I'm extremely skeptical of every documentary made since 1990, all seem to have a political agenda with head firmly up ass ignoring all information that doesn't agree with their "message"
Omg I made it on Brett’s channel! I watch your videos all the time, thank you for your content 😊
Congrats.
Came to this video for you Anna ❤
Please don't use God's name in vain
I watch both your videos, I was excited when I saw u on the thumbnail
Please don't allow Korean culture to die out
Brett is starting to remind me of Pearl. Not bothering to do her research but always in defense of "poor men" , not willing to actually look at the issue from the abused women's perspective.
How are women "abused"? By taking responsibility and accountability?
Yes. Success is going to Brett’s head. Coupled with trying to pump too many videos out.
LMAO
Brett is like most 'Conservative' female influencers - a stealth feminist.
@@nas5276what?
@@Doberman_6773this video isn’t very feminist of her
You won’t easily find what is going on, but South Korea do not care about their women to the point if a man assaults them and says that he’s drunk it gets them off the hook and there is a major assault issue there. Also, the men will easily be a woman for not, doing things like they are used to their mother doing. South Korean women need a voice and the whole world needs to hear.
Brett doesn't care. As long as her female hating men pay her she's fine
FAKE NEWS. Have you heard of Diddy, Jeffrey Epstien, Harvey Winestein and R Kelly? Does that mean US does not care about sex harrassment?
While I ususally agree with Brett, South Korea and Japan are very different from the US. While I hate Western feminism, I believe Eastern feminism is different. In South Korea, Japan, and China the politics for woman are at least 50yrs behind. In order to get a job, you'll need to take a photo and add it to your resume, along with your height and weight and they will judge if you''re "pretty" enough to work for them. Both men and women are pressured to undergo plastic surgery to fit an ideal type of face and skin tone just to get jobs and to get into college. Not only that, but stalking is COMPLETLY LEGAL unless they try to kindap you, then that's when it becomes a crime.
I think Western women are very privileged and have it even better than their male counterparts, however in Asia.. They are very behind to the point where the CCP had to put out an announcement for all of it's Chinese citizens visiting abroad to: NOT beat their wives in public because it's not tolerated in the West unlike in China and other Eastern Countires. And how China will not be able to help them if they get arrested for this in a Western country. How is that not crazy?!?! It's like when women beat men here the West and no one bats an eye. Abuse is abuse no matter if the perpetrator is male or female.
South Korea almost completely closed that gap about about 14 years ago, and hitting ones wife wasn't legal longer than that.
South Korea is not China and it's just as feminist as US today.
this!!!!!
In japan the weight thing is actually to hold your employer accountable if they make unhealthy conditions that tend to cause weight gains and weight gains cause issues. They panicked with a 1% population overweight boost a few years back (they are short generally so that’s like 140lbs is overweight) and now require companies to help provide employees with weight management tools. At good companies, it’s free fitbits and diet plans and sports groups. At bad companies it’s scales and pressure.
Feminism is a supremacy movement. Feminists want to control everything while having built nothing. They want men to be their slaves
@@durandus676with the insane expectation in Japan to have 45 or lower kg, doesn’t seem like the right approach either
My fiancée is south korean. She has lots of female friends, most or all have partners and are planning to get married soon. The big issue is the class structure is heavily emphasized and finding a match in your wealth bracket is mandatory. Also its kinda expensive to live, raise kids, and get married for those living there.
🥲u r taking the risk
I've heard the same thing/reason as to why the birth rate is going down. I've also heard that the school and work culture is very hard and strict there which is also a reason why the birth rate has gone down. But that could have changed.
Sounds similar to India where you have to stick to your "caste".
And too many fathers are emotionally absent (due to gender stereotypes and working culture), while mothers are tiger moms. Now grown up children don’t want to repeat their parents marriage neither repeat that kind of parenthood
@@holographicwing It's not nearly as severe in Korea as it is in India. Housing prices and education prices are the main thing keeping Koreans from marrying and having kids.
I worked for a Korean company for 26yrs and I can tell you everyone I knew was married. The problem is cost of living and the tiny apartments have made it so couples are only have one kid.
How old were those employees? Maybe they were part of the previous generation, not the emerging one.
@@tomsmith6513Definitely Gen X
I think you should explore the actual situation for women in South Korea. This kind of thing is bound to happen when women are treated as second-class citizens. It's still a misogynistic society where rapes are very rarely investigated properly, women are generally expected to stay home rather than pursue their careers, and adultery is so common that escort business cards are scattered throughout the streets on a Friday night (or other nights too, in fact).
Also, it's normal for Koreans to live at home for a long time, just like in Japan. Buying a home is so stupendously expensive that it's hard enough to achieve when married. People are judged on that single status and the desperation and expectation to get married is rampant.
When stuff like this is happening: ua-cam.com/video/kFLuckWYBWg/v-deo.html
I think there is a bigger picture to be looking at. Korean men need to change... A LOT. They have no right to be fed up based on the way women have been treated in the country.
Agree, she is seeing SK from a very simple American perspective. She is not seeing how marrying into a SK family is pretty a way into slaving for the man’s family. Why should a woman not getting any rights but giving up everything for men?
It's happens everywhere your point
@@AustralianPatriot123 so women are tired of that shit
@@Haamieshima it happens to man and woman you can't change that
@@AustralianPatriot123 course it does ....but factually patriarchy and misogyny gets women killed, raped, objectified etc etc....while actual feminism stands for equality....if a woman ever claims that they wish to be above men ...they are not feminists . period.... while even this 4b movement is not harming men ..they just want to be left alone...I'd honestly relate to it ...they don't want revenge for the way society treats them as second class citizens...why is it always women who have to uphold a culture? Almost the entire weight falls on their shoulders
The superficiality in SK society is insane, so not wearing makeup actually is a big deal. The main problem of South Koreans not creating their own families is not feminism vs. society, it's that living is already expensive enough, having children is close to unthinkable. Media produce these fake (or artificially blown up) controversies while the issue at hand is obvious.
I'm Korean and have lived for decades in both South Korea and the United States. There is a significant amount of misinformation being spread in the comments section. The claim that there are higher rates of violence against women in South Korea than in the US is completely false. The US is much more dangerous for women in terms of violent crime.
The topic of women's rights and status in South Korea is extremely complex. It involves factors such as Korea’s Confucian ideological roots, rapid industrialization, and a strong emphasis on education, among others. Despite this complexity, it is evident that various harmful ideologies, including radical feminism, have influenced interactions between Korean men and women, leading to a lot of negativity, especially as South Korea industrialized and higher education became more widespread.
As I’ve mentioned, this is a very intricate subject that cannot be fully addressed in a single comment.
so you actually addressed nothing in a long comment and gave no facts... how safe did you feel in the toilets? Or hotells? Or are you a guy and just dont care or maybe even endolged in that pukery... i bet the last one
Make a video bro.
They do not care. These right wing channels only focus on hating women.
Eh,shut up you face.
Make a video
I would be interested
Korean male here. Most single Korean women I know long to someday meet the right Korean man and marry him and have a family. This 4b movement is not really a movement. It's a small thing in a small corner of the internet. Nothing to see here.
As for the record low fertility rate in South Korea it's all because of the high housing cost and high cost of raising a child in Seoul. None of it is related to any feminist movement.
These western white right wing women are just as bad as the left leaning. Avoid both at all cost
Omg, why all Korean women start to insist that they are men.
That's what i thought it was weird, South Korea always had a anti-feminist culture, it's weird to see people saying that South Korea is becoming a feminist country, i was like "there's no way an entire country just did a complete 180° in their culture like that".
Sounds like cope
@@strawberrykun6136 Sounds like someone is mad Koreans are not saying what they want to hear.
Brett, please cover the Burning Sun documentary by BBC and bring international attention to the state of gender relations in South Korea. There’s a lot to unpack there.
Oh also, R Kelly, Diddy, Harvey Winestein, and Jeffrey Epstein. Theres a lot more to unpack there. Lets also talk about gender relations in US.
Statisical fact in Korea: less than 5% of Korean women agree with 4B. Meaning 95% of korean women disagree
Men and women are like chess: they try to strategize against each other and end up in a stalemate.
Then both sides are unsure of what to do next.
Very accurate, your comment has summerized the relationship between man and woman these days
I know not wearing make up doesn't sound like a big deal, but the SK beauty pressures and cosmetics industry is INSANE there.
Is it though? When I used to go there for work, it was a lot of chubby couples everywhere.
@@deioped For example most or many get at 18/19 years old their first plastic surgery as a graduation gift. I find it shocking.. even their parents support it. It’s very normalised.
I hoped that answered it. Wish you a good day/night!💕
@@v.elaine_7330 i find it shocking that Americans get boobjobs and butt enhancers as their graduation gift
Fr. They literally lose their minds when young idols get a bit of acne 💀
Love Brett, but I think it might be a bit culturally insensitive to say “no make up, oh boo hoo typical Tusday for me”. Korean beauty standards are indeed crazy and there is so much pressure to look good. Some places won’t even give you a job if you are not attractive. (Speaking as Asian myself)
I know. These people commenting and talking don’t even understand Korean culture or what it’s like over there. Females are basically forced to wear makeup because if you don’t you get no where and are looked down upon. They don’t understand the cultural dynamic where the female has to take care of the husbands family on top of taking care of her own family and working full time and doing all the household chores and all the cooking.
Culturally insensitive??? What
Yes! Some women are pressured into plastic surgery in order to be promoted in the workplace.
Even men wear makeup too so ye lol. But their makeup is more gear to natural makeup (like enchanting their eyes or cover scars).
Easy for brett to say, i mean she has her own show with more than 4m subscribers , she probably doesn't feel the pressure that us regular women do. I love her but when it comes to these subjects shes never objective. I myself live in a muslim country and wear a scarf for my religious beliefs,but even in a muslim country its much easier for women who dont wear a scarf to find jobs and get promotions... this whole thing is just insane
Here's the thing.. I've been paying attention to South Korea lately and they really do have a problem with how they police sexual assault etc. There has been an increase of women being murdered at the hands of boyfriends as well recently. I've been curious about visiting Korea because they speak a lot of English over there.. but the horror stories I hear from women finding hidden cameras in their hotel room/bathroom or being drugged and raped and the men just get fined and sent on their way..
Honestly.. things are soooooo much better in America. It's better to just stay here and leave those people over there figure out how to fix it on their own.
Hmm. Here in America feemales initiate violence in relationships at a far higher rate than men do.
Are you saying korean women are different?
Yessss...and Brett doesn't know this😂😂, I learned this from Miss MangoButts channel, I was HORRIFIED
FAKE NEWS. im sorry you riding that burning sun wave too hard. With your logic US government support pedophilia since R Kelly, Diddy, Harvey Winestein, and Jefrey Epstein got away with it for decades
@@stephniek you should watch the R kelly files and Diddy before you cone to a conclusion you dont know anything about
Just one more reason to dump TikTok. What a total dumpster fire all the time. Weak minded people just love it.
4b movement is barely even a movement in Korea. It's similar to here how a bunch of women believe a trend then just start participating and pretend it's real
Yeah I have a female friend from college that unfortunately subscribed to the community of Female Dating Strategy.
I tried telling her how toxic the community was, but she was convinced it was the next big movement.
We went to a very respectable engineering school and she has worked for a variety of big tech firms over the years.
She’s not dumb… but not sure I’d call her smart either lol 🤷🏻♂️
What are you, the international census? 😂 an omniscient presence that knows the hearts of everyone? Yeah, no. Luckily the 4b girls will probably be in high numbers around you 😂
Well at least we will all be long gone by time our countries collapse
@@kyledabearsfan Things can go bad a lot faster than you think.
The estimate of women that are part of the movement is between 3000- 50,000. Most put it around 10k at most.
Brett I love you and I am straight, christian and as conservative as an asian girl can get. But I'm saying this with the utmost respect and seriousness. You need to understand how misogynistic society is here lol look up the Nth room and burning sun. Also look up the megalia hand
If you are going to make general commentary on another country's issues you need to do your research first.
Editing to say: I am very much interested in getting married and having children. I have good men in my life and brothers who genuinely care for me and protect me when I need it, just like I care for them when they need my help. That doesn't negate how many of my personal girl friends have come to me about their stories of SA and familial abuse. I get along fine with the men in my life but cannot erase the wariness inside me because experience and hearing from my peers personally has alerted me to the possibility of any man I choose to be vulnerable with turning out to be violent and abusive. It's oftentimes invisible until it isn't, and while everyone and their grandmas can have their opinions on this issue I don't think any modern woman will be swayed by what you say until it is acknowledged that however irrational it may seem to you, women have a right to try and protect themselves however they can, even if it IS extreme, even if it IS counterproductive.
If you are against the modern feminist movement of "men and women are the same!" then you must know that men are physically stronger than most women. So of course some will 'overreact' by choosing complete celibacy. Don't ridicule a lady for fearing for her own safety. You don't think so many of us want a loving husband we can trust with our lives, and whom will trust us with his? Where are the men stepping up to address this, and why am I only seeing women trying to be heard if only for a proper acknowledgement of the situation and Please, a solution!
💯💯💯💯💯 Completely agree. Normally, I really like and enjoy Brett, and actually agree with her on a lot of things, but she was completely off-base and uneducated when it comes to Korea on this issue. 😓
Agreed.
@@Sugas_Girr girl help me I forgot some people look like they want a good conversation but they turn out to be a 'women are more violent than men, including statistically' shiller... 🙄
"Where are the men stepping up to address this" - we listened to 50 years of feminist rhetoric. Women are "Strong & Independent" and "Don't need no Man".
Prove it; take care of this yourselves.
@@Doberman_6773 What are you taking about??? You're really trying to sit up here and say you've known any large group of Korean women saying this for HALF A CENTURY??? Stop lying.
thought this was because of the way the men treat the women , they treat them awfully
as a women living in a third world country dealing with men like that I kind of understand their pov
How do they treat them?
We're talking about a society where a woman gets beat up for having short hair. We're talking about where women hire "safe break up" services to avoid getting killed. We're talking about a society where mothers were encouraged to kill female fetuses. Trust me, we're not in the same situation here.
I believe that one Korean chick who said "the West is sensatializing this" totally. The exact same thing happens here in the West itself. Take .5% of the population and have you think it's 95% of the population.
You say that while the average 30 old woman that hasn't been in a relationship for at least 5 years of her life as a body counts well over 50
@tedclark7860 I think you're confusing what I'm saying. I'm only talking about this "movement". I'm not speaking on other issues they might have.
@@MewluMoon You say that but then why don't you have your first and last name listed on here as your username? The exception also doesn't prove the The exception also doesn't disprove the majority. You can find hundreds of examples of women sleeping with more than one person per day during a given time period of spring break summer break or a year. Many women in college will sleep with a new guy every few days.
@@tedclark7860thats only the attractive ones. Most girls are shy and don't have really any guys at all interested in them at all like men.
@@tedclark7860 I'm 32 with my count being 3. Not all of us average women sleep around.
I'm neither for nor against this movement in SK, but I think Brett needs to do a little more research into just how truly (and I hate to use this word) "patriarchal" and abusive toward women South Korean society and government can be. There have been huge cases recently that give only a snapshot into the horrendous crimes against women (and young girls!) that either go completely unpunished or afford these criminals the lightest of sentences. As others have commented, you should check out the "nth room" and "Burning Sun" cases. Plus, there are numerous confessions of both Korean and foreign women experiencing brutal sexual assault while in Korea and not receiving any justice. Even an extremely popular weekend television show that aired in 2021 and won several awards came under fire from both Korean and international audiences because it depicted a father locking his adult daughter in a room for days and not letting her out because she refused to break up with her boyfriend. The character was literally crying and banging on the door with her family just on the other side ignoring her pleas, for fear of going against the father.
And those girls hadn't even been proven yet to be speaking the truth.
Yall as well as Koreans are speaking too early cuz they just believe whatever wmn say. lol
Wonder who's really oppressed here lol
As someone who lives in Korea, there are problems, but it is not nearly as bad as in the US
I’m not sure what’s going on with Brett lately I loved her content and lately she seems to be missing the mark
@@sarabrenton6364 well I’d say different is a better word. We have different problems stemming from different roots.
Thank you for this! I’m a proud Korean woman but there are issues in our culture that should not be ignored.
I think some cultural context goes a long way to helping parse out some of the ridiculousness of the B4 movement. First, a lot of Americans straight up do not understand how traditional Korean cultural expectations are clashing with modern socioeconomic expectations. The B4 movement is an extreme form of protest, but they are highlighting problems that are still big in Korea but that have been talked to death in other western cultures. For example, women in the U.S. are not expected to wear lipstick and dress up every time they leave the house, even to run errands. Korean women are. This is just one example, the list of societal expectations for women in Korea wouldn’t be out of place in a 1950’s USA.
Creating equality between the sexes has a long way to go in Korea, the B4 movement is the equivalent to 1960s bra burning, an extremely vocal minority that takes things to extremes to highlight outdated sexist ideas.
please at least research...before you post something
As a korean person, i can tell you she did her reaserch
@@MrSkywalk you aint korean if you think 4b is widespread stop lying
I would say, watch the entire video before claiming someone didn't do any research.
the beauty standards in Korea are absurd so i think her comment towards the makeup thing was insensitive to the culture, besides staying with your parents if you are not married is completely normal in Asian countries including Korea
at least their country HAVE beauty standards...
Korea probably has the craziest beauty standards ever. I'm usually not the one to complain about that stuff, but Korea takes the cake.
Yeah. The pressure to wear makeup to hide "flaws" is insane, because we're all ordinary people just trying to survive in this hectic world. They have some of the most outrageous standards.. you must be severely thin but still expect you to be healthy enough to work and not complain; a V shape face with no visible pores or discoloration; double eyelids that most have to get surgery for, as well as rhinoplasty for a thin nose; back to weight.. you have to have a small waist, slim yet wide hips, big bust area, long legs to make the entire length of your body reach 8 heads.. and the more heads you can fit in your height, the better. Honestly, it's kpop idols and kdrama actors who suffer the most when it comes to these standards. Their job is in the public eye, and netizens don't treat them as human whenever they're proven to not be perfect. The amount of bullying they receive is so unnecessary. All idols and actors go on extreme diets that are detrimental to their health for the sake of making strangers who have never shown a general concern for their wellbeing happy. Some even go as far as to end their life because of all the insults they hear daily. It's really bad. In the West, people are too coddled to the point where they become entitled and disrespectful when they get told no for their behavior. Both are bad in their own ways. Korea is very strict, whereas the West lacks in being strict.. well, for Libs. If you're conservative in the West, they see that as oppression. Whereas in Korea, their conservative culture is looked down upon by the West who loves being disrespectful and vulgar. Both need to work on themselves for the better of their people.
@@MichaelVavor id call it just a simple goal post for people give themselves to reach. even if you dont ever surpass or achieve it thats not the point, just having that goal to drive you to become a better version of yourself each day is healthy. having beautiful people around you to look up to inspires you to achieve that too and regardless if you get as good looking, odds are youll be a better version of yourself by trying. granted like everything in life you can take it too far but thats the individuals choice and not the fault of the culture. I can go to the gym and see many men far bigger and stronger than me that look REALLY GOOD and same with the women there and it only inspires me to not give up and keep going (especially the women) because i know that those people got that way by not quitting. and thats the problem with our western culture i feel. maybe its not so much that they have crazy beauty standards but maybe we -the western culture - just dont challenge ourselves as much as we should or take care of ourselves as much as we should or use to.... proof is in the pudding. we have the highest record of obesity unmatched by any other country in the world.
thats just my take.
@@bluewolf2708 yup. it just sums up that extremes is never healthy and moderation is key. its good to have healthy goals for your own health and beauty and to strive to become a better version of yourself every day, but its another thing entirely to take it to levels of obsession and unhealthiness or to not accept your natural self. on the flip side, its also easy lie and self-cope to just not even try and tell one self that it doesnt matter. that is equally unhealthy if not more so. and both of these paths in life have SEVERE irreversible consequences in life once you get to a certain age.
that being said, i do think this whole instant stereotype that athletic built women with hourglass bodies - especially ones who are "blessed" - must have had surgery or implants or starved themselves... ect, ect... really needs to stop. cause like you said, its really damaging to these girls who worked hard to get where they're at and is its own form of true objectification and prejudice.
not all women who have bodies or faces look that way from unhealthy surgical or cosmetic or extreme diet practices... some women, in fact ALOT of women, really do just look that amazing and have that great of bodies from simple healthy lifestyles and choices and really not that uncommon. in fact its very common in communities and culture where they DO practice that. you can see women like that commonly in just about any city or country where people actually take care of themselves. my best friend up in washington is a perfect example. she doesnt do any surgery or extreme makup of any kind or have any crazy diet. yet her complexion is beautiful and the most perfect of anyone i know with the most beautiful face of any girl i know. and still looks like shes 20 despite just hitting 30.
not saying that people dont do the extreme cosmetics you speak of. indeed its a real thing of course. especially in the modeling business or movies business. both men and women. but i think people take it too far alot of the time and automatically assume every stunning attractive person mustve done instead of accepting they actually are that good looking and achieved it naturally. personally i think alot of that prejudice and stereotype of people critics know nothing about stems from most critics personal insecurity or jealousy (or at the very least, lack of education) and so revert to typical middle school mentality of tearing them down to try to build themselves up in their own minds.
thats just my take on it.
as a Korean woman I want to say, PLEASE DO MORE RESEARCH WHEN YOU ARE MAKING A VIDEO ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES
Your a Korean living in the wesr
Yeah right.
Your birthrate already tells everything
@@chanjoe299 Your ignorance tells me everything about you. You don't stand to listen, so you just mock someone and their culture. Added.
@dukeheavens9990 You're* and what's wrong with that? Can she not speak about it just because she doesn't live there?
@@rwf-br8hd I wonder if you'll even get a response from these women. They dislike facts and logic to the point where they'll tack on an excuse like "it's because the crimes go unreported because it's stigmatised!". Even IF that were the case (it most probably isn't), it would be an insane reach to attribute the massive gap in cases per capita compared to other countries to that.
I knew hundreds of women when I lived in South Korea. Only ONE OF THEM was a part of this. I had tons of conversations with young Korean women about life and dating when I worked as a university instructor. Nearly all of them hoped to follow something resembling the traditional life path.
Brett, I have loved you before this, but this is where I think you’re wrong. As an East Asian, what I know of Korea, especially towards some aspects of their culture, is that it is more extreme than you think. There are holes in the walls of bathroom stalls where hidden cameras had once been installed. Women are still very much pressured to have families and do not nearly have as much freedom as Western women. Men too, often have a culture of being horrible to women, expecting hookups, the lot. Brett, is it right to say they’re being extreme if you don’t understand what is going on? Shouldn’t it speak volumes that women are taking such extreme measures about what they must be living through? I don’t want to say it like this, but as a woman, I will always have empathy for women first, and for what they choose to do. Do you not have empathy for women, especially when it seems obvious they’ve been forced to this?
I’m married to a Korean man. You can’t compare Korea to USA. It’s VERY male centric over there. Females are now expected to work because no one can afford not to, but also females are expected to be traditional and do ALL the cooking and cleaning. And take care of the husbands family. As well as take care of male co workers. They get shunned if they don’t wear makeup. It’s crazy REAL mysogeny over there.
That is not misogyny, and pretending it is does real misogyny a disservice.
@@Adanu191 do you wanna try and do all that. Korean workplace competition and work hours are crazy.
Males should care for women. Women should love men. Men over there need responsibility. I agree with what you're saying. Women need honor and patients. Misogyny is everywhere. Men do it to other men. Women do it to other women. Women do it to men. Men do it to women. Your country and my country needs Jesus Christ.
@@loreenrass6008 Welcome to the male reality.
@@Adanu191 ok fine if you want real misogyny in south korea look up the nth rooms. Telegram chatgroups with CP and Torture porn, the victimis were all south korean women. They were all underage, the youngest was 12. Through blackmail they were forced to film explicit videos of themselve, forced to go to motels and be r@ped and more. These chatrooms were operated from south korea for over a year. There were 260k men in these chat rooms. Over half of them were in south korea. Someone did the math, thats about 1 in every 200 south korean men and those who watched these videos, the government refused to release to the public.
The politicians excused the behaviour and one even went as far as to say that the women did it to artistically express themselves.
just wanted to say that I very much agree with most of the comments and I think brett should've taken more care in researching this topic
Women not wearing make-up and shaving their head is actually VERY brave. They don´t have the luxury of "me on a normal Sunday". South Korea is insane in terms of beauty standards and even men are expected to put on make-up to look more "up to the standard". Girls are literally getting plastic surgeries as gifts for academic achievemns to have better chances to get a job or generally suceed in life. Rates of eating disorders are sky high as well as suicide rates. Refusing to comform to these standards is something I find brave because they likely get death threats for being a part of this protest. I normally agree with you but it seems like you really don´t know much about this topic. You are being incredibly insensitive to how much SK women struggle.
i asked a korean friend of mine who is single about 4b and she had no idea what i was talking about.
Love and respect you Brett, but I think you should have looked more into the context of SK and their culture. In SK, physical and sexual abuse is fairly common and often isnt reported bc of how bad SK's justice system is. Some of the worst crimes you can commit as a human will only get you a couple years in prison and even then after a certain amount of time you can have those crimes removed from your record. Look into the Burning Sun case: a well known, but telling example of how terrible SK's justice system is.
Additionally, SK is OBSESSED with beauty and it is common for teenagers to be gifted plastic surgery vallets from their parents for their bdays, holidays, etc. To not wear makeup/not be hyper- attractive is to be considered ugly and horrible, and you will likely get bullied. Not just called names, but literally assaulted, refused employment, etc.
I don't think the 4b movement is the answer nor do I agree with its tenets, but how you spoke regarding this situation comes across as very ignorant.
She literally brought the sexual violence up in her video...
thissss
Hope she sees this comment
@@endless3cho She did bring it up but like for 10 seconds in comparison to how long she talked about the 4B movement.
How about offering alternative resolutions like the government giving felons strict sentences and suggesting a sex offender registry?? Something.
I'm Korean, and what you said about the justice system is fairly correct.
However I can tell you that most Koreans (men and women) also laugh at 4B movement, and what Brett said does not "comes across as very ignorant".
Crime or justice system has nothing to do with why some women are doing the 4B movement, or caused our population issue. Korea work culture is extremely intense. Companies don't give decent parental leaves, and they don't want to hire you if they think you are going get pregnant soonish. Not to mention everything is too expensive, and couples avoid getting married due to all the expenses that may cost.
When it comes to 4B , There is no "movement" in Korea, and the participants are a fraction, well, less than fraction of Koreans population. The groups are pretty well known as they usually communicate through their online "cafe (groups)". They are sad ladies usually in their mid 30 - mid 40s, who were rejected by men and hate men for it. They used to be in their 20s but now they are all old (And even angrier). They wants all men to die, including any hard working decent fathers or sons. They want to tell people the reason they are alone is because of their own choice for doing 4B, but most of Koreans know they aren't doing that by choice. It should be called 4C (4 things they CAN'T do).
So stop putting meaning in this sad pathetic excuse and call it some movement.
Oh look, an American criticizing another country without understanding that its culture is completely different than the western world 🤦♀️
She literally showed a video by a korean woman living in Seoul and based her opinion on that. Does being a westerner immediately invalidate all her opinions?
@@TheTiti123 that's precisely the problem, she showed A VIDEO of ONE woman talking about A movement that is not even popular in Korea. She didnt bother to do some real research on the problems of low fertility within the country that are much more nuanced than this. She spoke on behalf a country that has a different cultural background by hyperbolizing the unpopular b4 movement to fit her american agenda. But go off queen, make videos for likes 👏
@@ago184 but that's exactly the point that she made, the entire reason why she showed that video was to prove that it's an unpopular movement and that most women don't actually hate men and want nothing to do with them. You're reiterating her same point while somehow criticizing her.
@@TheTiti123 she glossed over it while concentrating on the 4b movement without bothering to understand the main issue of fertility in the country. She's sensationalizing the movement to fit her agenda, just like the leftist. That's the issue.
@@ago184 glossed over it? She included the video in its entirety. Of course she's going to add her own commentary to it otherwise it's just plagirazing content. She focused on the 4b movement because that's the topic of the video. You can not like her take on it or the fact the she made a video about it at all, but dismissing her point just because of her origin is unnecessary and frankly, discriminatory. She's allowed to have an opinion on it.
I just love the transitions to the sponsor in every video. No one does it as good as you!
tbh male loneliness is no womans problem. If women can be single and happy men can too, and if they cant then tbh womp womp get a better mentality and find a hobby to make yourself happy
Woman detected opinion rejected
that's like saying "women being afraid out in public is not mens' problem. if men can feel safe and confident in public, women can too, and if they can't then tbh womp womp get stronger and find a hobby to make yourself feel safe". this isn't a rivalry; we are all human beings sharing this planet just trying to get through this difficult thing called "life". most of the men who are off-ing themselves have never hurt anyone in their lives... but that's your response to people who are suicidal and going through a hard time in their lives? and then people like you are the first ones to go all "oh men should learn to be more vulnerable", or "oh i care about mental health". You're just a a hypocrite!
@fienoshea4709 Thats great then all that problems that you feminists face isn't a problem for men compared to us it isn't that bad sucks to be you getting drilled by some random you don't know.
@fienoshea4709 Thats great then all that problems that you feminists face isn't a problem for men compared to us it isn't that bad sucks to be you getting drilled by some random that you don't know.
What you don't understand is men are starting to hate women as a whole because of how women like you talk. The day the US goes crazy you should be very afraid.
Guys this is very different from America. SA is not taking very seriously but weed will send you to prison 💀 gurl your soo AMERICAN.
SK has commies such as yourself trying to destroy it all the time. And yea weed should send you to prison and selling your body for money isn't "SA"
But she does have a point. Don't you think we don't take SA seriously. People actually get with the weed thing here. But yes I do hear from time to time weed taking more seriously. It's because the world got away from Jesus Christ.
Don't shame her for your unfortunate life trials. Same for America for if it goes for the same thing. I know of your countries troubles. Like you know of mine.
@juliemesser2053 she has no point. She's ill informed and didn't do any research on this topic. She took her American ideals and applied it to an Asian country.
I'm Korean and you gotta know that every crime in Korea is met with weak punishment except drug related crimes compared to America. Nth room situation is going on right now and this time, it's women committing crime and men are the victims. But they are not punished at all and still committing their crimes.
Brett - if you don’t do a follow up to this, based on the comments, about how women are constantly raped and beaten in SK and people think it is a modern country but it is not - I will actually lose respect for you. Your show is called “The comments section” - please for goodness sake read the comments, read the room.
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Tbh when she first started I loved how she seemed less biased and would have different opinions from mainstream conservatives. But these days it feels like she’s just like a broken record repeating all the same talking points.
You missed Gamer Gate didn't you? Constantly? How constantly. It's always suspicious when someone is saying something is happening constantly and doesn't present any stats.
You'll lose respect for her?
OH NO! Anyway...
This video was in very bad taste
for more context, Brett shouldve acknowledge SK's confucian culture which is the basis of the patriarchy. You cannot see this from an american perspective. SK has some of the highest domestic violence stats
This is deeper than that and it really makes me sad that they have to resolve to this. But just to add an extra layer of context to how the system works against women and CHILDREN. A korean man was found creating a pedo website and was actively encouraging people to make CP with babies ages 1, 2, and up. This man with all the damage he has caused children, only got 18 months and a slap to the wrist.
Another case of women being SA'd and was literally blackmailed by a famoud korean actor was ridiculed by the police. Made fun of and was accused of being a gold digger. This is deeper than just a society that doesnt promote having family. This is a dangerous society to be in as a women, mother, and child. This is about a society that doesn't value women and doesn't protect children.
There's smoke There's fire.
So the majority of comments have already said so but I will add to it as well. I am from Greece, I love your content because you discuss issues that I would never be able to discuss with my friends. However, please keep in mind that while you might be well-versed on issues in the US (as you should, it's your country), you should do a lot of research and always be 100 times more careful when it comes to other countries and cultures. If there are differences among western countries, you can imagine the vast differences countries in Asia have with the West. South Korean feminism is not American feminism.
Edited: For the people in the comments who are saying that asking her to speak with more caution are also being idiots. Personally I am speaking from the experience of having done some basic surface level research and the impression I got when I had this discussion with a Korean on my master's programme. Nowhere near enough to have a solid stance on the matter. Your comments are basically validating my point. You are all Koreans who know better because you have lived there. Brett, me and the rest are foreigners who don't know enough. All we ask is that she makes an effort to show her own research when speaking on matters outside the US so it's clear she is not just judging everything with her own country's standards. I will not speak more on this matter as I am aware that I cannot fully judge a culture but my own.
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right! i don't think she did enough research, disappointed 😔
YESSSS EXACTLYYYYY
Yes. Even some US topics she’s woefully wrong about. US women are fat! She keeps saying the young guys who can’t get a gf just need to work out - she’s a 🤡 - plenty of guys are in great shape but aren’t 6’, not bad boys, don’t make $200k/yr - this invisible to women.
Yes! To sum up my 2 cents: South Korea can participate in a western economy, or they can export and contribute to pop culture internationally, but at the end of the day they are still an Asian (eastern), collectivist culture. It’s not fair to be commenting on this movement, irregardless of its size, and critiquing it through a western lens
Ma’am, you need to fully educate yourself on the culture over there and what is actually going on as to why these women are not wanting to have children. Do your research.
💯💯💯💯💯 Normally, I really like and enjoy Brett, and actually agree with her on a lot of things, but she was completely off-base and uneducated when it comes to Korea on this issue. 😓
@@Sugas_Girr no she's correct.
Why do Americans feel entitled to comment on anything and everything when they don't even understand the situation. Brett, have you at least visited Korea before?
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Looking at the South Korean femist movement from a weatern perspective is a flawed approach to analyse tbis situation. When the cultural norms and societal responsibilities imposed upon the genders are at a completely different level. The 'no make-up' thing may sound funny and trivial to someone who isn't knowledgeable about Korean society, but it isn't a trivial for them. Brett, I hope you do some more research on the topic and try to understand the Korean women's perspective.
As Korean myself, she didn't say anything problematic. We grow up with realistic criticism from our parents, so we are very thick skin. (ex. Why you got fat? / Why you got B? and much more) unlike westerners. We don't act like we're going to die just because we didn't put make up on. Those feminists are different from US feminists. I hope western people also raise their kids with enough criticism so there will be less mentally-fragile.
@@drunkenant7319 South Korea has the highest suicide rate among developed countries. No offense, but you guys are really not an example of good education and mental health...
4b has only been taken over by a small group of left radicalist in sk. I asked many sk from there they dont know even what 4b is, the west picked it up and linked it to the population of sk. This is not a link. Most of sk people ive talked to said its about hyper individualism and the state of dating and not about moving away from men. Many people of sk enjoy to date
This!!! Misinformation spreads like wildfire due to these radicals smh
You are preaching to the wrong crowd. It is an echo chamber with 0 critical thinking. Most of her videos are just picking radical topics that don't represent the reality or the majority of people. I much prefer listening to Louise Perry.
@@victoriamadam4298that and she contradicts herself a lot while equally unintentionally shaming her audience at times
@@lawrencetalbot8346 I don't really take her seriously to be honest, I know she is simply a good looking girl that validates some men's (and women's maybe?!) views of the world. Very extreme and uncompromising. Unfortunately, the reality is far too complex to be simplified to just the right Vs left, men Vs women...But it is easy to live your life like that, no need to think.
Can verify none of my irl friends have really shown any interest in this movement besides nodding and moving along. Mostly any of my female friends of marrying age worry about the toxic culture surrounding education and how neglected childrens development are specifically in their emotional and moral growth in comparison. That and insane living costs. Can barely afford a one room(what westerners would call a studio tbh) with the average salary as it is and the government expects us to be able to afford a child?!
11:16 that sound scared the heck outta me XD
Listening while driving and thought something massive hit the bottom of my car lol
wow im realy disappointed in you @TheCommentSectionwithBrettCooper it shows how much research you've done on the topic and what led to these choices. These women's pay gap, rape, murder they have endured and the law does nothing, their husbands treat them like sh!t beat them, murder them and the law does nothing and all you do is shame these women who are fighting oppression. Instead of shaming Korean men for their behavior which caused all this. Now I have to go back to every video I've seen of yours and fact check you because I can no longer trust the information you put out there
I’ve been reading the comments on this video and have noticed a lot of opinions on this video that I had to comment because I love your content Brett even if you don’t see this but I believe you should do more research on South Korea in general. I feel like you are putting western ideology upon those there where it’s completely different. The standards not just South Korea but many Asian countries have extremely high standards that are practically unattainable. I share similar sentiments of those in the comments that you should do more research before speaking on the culture of South Korea and the dynamics involved. I believe you do know how to speak on American culture but not South Korean culture. Please do more research before speaking about South Korean culture and government. I feel like this is uncharted territory for you and I could see it in this video. No disrespect because I like your takes usually. Just please do more research than the articles you present.
💯💯💯💯💯 Completely agree. Normally, I really like and enjoy Brett, and actually agree with her on a lot of things, but she was completely off-base and uneducated when it comes to Korea on this issue. 😓
So what makes you a South korea expert?
@@annakatharinasponagel4630 Uuhh what makes YOU the expert either?! What's wrong with suggesting she should do more research? In the case she's right, she'll find more evidence for her opinions! If she's wrong, she'll have a good chance to prove her own integrity.
You do nothing for yourself or your friends by spurring anyone who shows genuine and good intentioned concern for someone they care about.
@@annakatharinasponagel4630 I can't speak for the OP, but as a Korean woman myself, I think I'm very much within the right & realm of saying that this video was NOT at all correctly on target on nearly anything, and should have been much better researched (and hopefully Brett or her team will actually talk with real Korean women that are very educated and more well-versed on these issues, unlike Anna, next time) before throwing out such a horrendously incorrect and misinformed view, of such very serious subject matter.
Just go watch Anna Lee's video about 4b. She was the sane korean lady Brett used a clip of. I personally didn't see anything wrong with Brett take on it, nor saw any uneducated korea hot takes about it.
This is interesting. I lived in Korea from 2016 to 2023. Never heard of the 4B movement. But the vibe of the ridiculously low birthrate is undeniably frustrating for most, if not all Koreans... dunno how big this 4B movement is, but there are many more larger factors to the low birthrate that should've probably been mentioned in this video. Like how it takes about 10 lifetimes worth of salary to afford a home.. it's why many men are "bi-hon" anti marriage, they just can't imagine being able to afford or support a family.. it's a real tragedy what's happening in S. Korea.
Exactly and I don’t think Brett (the UA-camr) understands absolutely anything about SK, she shouldn’t have even thought of talking about a topic like this without doing any other research. I can guarantee that less then 100K people believe this 4B movement
@Felix_hobi these women only think of hating on other women. You notice how people like her never go after men? It makes being right leaning exhausting.
. Well, you tubes audience is predominantly male by a big margin. Ticktock is predominantly female. So... if you want have a successful UA-cam or Ticktock channel, you need to speak to your appropriate audience to be successful
Is it just expensive houses in Seoul or all of South Korea?
@@Histerix for the most part Seoul. But then good luck finding a job outside of Seoul, or finding a spouse willing to live with you outside of Seoul.
As someone who would be considered a moderate or libertarian in the US, I do enjoy watching your content.
Even though there are a number of stances I vehemently disagree with you on, I appreciate your perspective, as it adds a human touch, with which I can cognitively understand why you have the views you do.
Which is refreshing when so many American (conservative and liberal) pundits tend to rely on buzzwords and emotionally charged jargon to dog whistle knee jerk reactions within their audiences.
However, as someone who lives in East Asia, I would implore you to not force parallels between the US (a western country) and South Korea (an eastern country with a much older culture).
Different cultures have different reasons and factors for why their cultures currently exist the way they do and why they are experiencing the things they are.
South Korea has their own “culture wars” if you will. They are both generational and very much gender based as well.
While I cannot comment on the state of patriarchy in the US, it is dying a slow death out here in East Asia.
While the concerns of Korean women are very much validated in everyday Korean society, the 4b movement is largely a tik tok issue at the moment, for lack of a better description. With hopes to push the narrative.
Trying to hyper impose a US centric lens where one isn’t needed is at best misguided and at worst, disingenuous.
Does anyone else feel like Brett’s content is starting to feel a little psy-opy? This video is clearly poorly researched and just regurgitating the whole “bad feminist, poor men” argument without any actual nuance or understanding of the difference in culture over there. This feels like a heavily scripted and one sided gotcha piece dogging on women for being cringe, when there are actual reasons why its necessary for South Korean women to protest and put up a fight against the abusive beauty standards and violence from men that they’re subjected to. This isn’t some wokey blue haired septum ring libbed out moral panic, it’s a genuine movement aimed at protesting against something harmful.
Nth room and burning sun will change your mind on how mess up the Korean justice system is on SA victim. This is such an american perspective towards South Korea.
I know you said something about your family but you may have men that are kind and protected and also good community, some people don’t get to have that. My mom brought my grandma to live with us in a gated community because the country side she used to live have higher chance of drugs, rape, and murder. When I was growing up she and my mom instill this since I was 6 “be careful of men, guy friends, male family member, boyfriend, you first then them.” We hear rape news everyday that is so normal on the daily news.
Yup. Yup. Yup. I was HORRIFIED when I heard about it. And the people involved were barely punished. And those cases are the tip of the friggin iceberg.
@@blooregardkazoo1397can’t believe they r all free and somewhere in SEA. I’m in SEA 😭😭😭
I know and I don't get it why is harmful sure the Korean population goes down but that does not mean the people other than Koreans will live there and the solution is just treat women better cause you really NEED them
THANK YOU! I wonder how many people know there was a whole generation that aborted any female fetus because of misogynistic standards? Now people are wondering why men of that generation are having to look for brides from overseas (which is a whole other basket of fish to look through...)
Because of this and other forms of abuse, women have had to realise that sometimes even your own family couldve been your enemy, just because you're female.
As a Korean myself, I agree that Korean government should enforce the punishment against SA crimes. But it goes the same way for both genders. All types of crimes are met with weak consequences. Women who falsely accuse men for sexual assaults, barely face any punishment. The legal system is based strongly on what the women say. If there is no security camera nearby, Korean men are doomed even when they are innocent. Even if men try to audio record themselves to prove innocence, the court doesn't see that as legal proof. Even before the court judging them not guilty, innocent men lose their jobs, family and everything, while false accusers walk free. And these cases also end up in SA statistics, making the public more alarmed. Do you know that there is Nth room situation going on right now but this time Korean women against men? These women are posting and sharing private informations about men on dating app(including American soldiers and minors, their sexual part size, sexual experience, ethnicity, photos, videos, etc, mocking them). This has been going on for years but the government and media finally started paying attention. And how about BL? For those of you who don't know, BL is short for "Boys Love". Feminists and fans make fictional pornographic contents about male celebrities like BTS having sexual intercourse with one another. It's sick. But none of these crimes are getting punished. We have to see it as good vs evil, not as men vs. women. We have to punish the bad ones. We should stop demonizing men or women for being same gender as criminals.
There’s a lot of DV and dating violence in SK. So its not being a feminist just because. Women are treated horribly everyday more than in other first world countries…
I usually agree with Brett but this time I think there should’ve been more research.
Exactly, South Korea is like Japan in many case regarding society. If i was from those countries, i'd be a feminist too
I don’t think she ever researches anything and just yaps about what she believes LOL. I’ve noticed that she picks and chooses her points that she wants to be so gunhoe about without looking at the full picture, unfortunately.
The B4 movement is fine only in Korea, but here in America it is not necessary at all.
What’s worrying is if it gets bad enough their government will step in and make people have babies like china does, the government may also make certain people get abortions like china does.
@@igotsmiles1 Sometimes it's a bit the feeling i have too when i found her video. She doesn't seems to do a lot of research on subject.
But at the same times, as a european girl, i always have a negative image of americans when they talk about others countries or culture as they tend to be clueless, so i'm not that surprise.
As a Korean man, it's challenging to convey the intricacies of South Korea's current landscape accurately. In South Korea, many men gravitate towards fields such as electricity, machinery, and chemistry, seeking stable employment and financial security. Conversely, women often dominate professions like journalism and print media, shaping the information flow with a perspective that predominantly reflects women's experiences.
Furthermore, there's a notable presence of radical feminism among South Korean women, which significantly influences the media narrative. This influence manifests in a selective portrayal of crimes, focusing solely on those committed by men while overlooking cases involving women. The underlying motive appears to be the manipulation of public opinion, with the aim of imposing a sense of guilt on men. This strategy effectively demonizes men while justifying any misdeeds perpetrated by women as a response to societal victimization.
In the Nth room case, men shared explicit photos of their own daughters ,sisters to gain access to online groups involvedin torture of girls.
@uhura647 Oh, you pinpointed that very well. When that crime took place, every media(mostly dominated by women, aka radical feminists) in South korea was immersed in activity to demonize men even though the crime fundamentally has nothing to do with most of men. However, when a similar crime against men took place on site called 'girls generation', media didn't handle with that crime. Why? Because even the presence of crimes by women can significantly dilute purpose for their activity, which is to instill guilt into men and justify vices by women in the name of doing right things. That's the fact
context matters brett. while i dont agree with the movement, i understand where most women are coming from. safety laws are a joke in south korea. you'd think korea is such a modern country surely they'll have good laws to protect their women and children, but no. you can be stalked to your home but cant file a compliant, apparently they dont have laws to prevent stalking.
victim blaming is super high. a kpop singer or an actress was raped by her boyfriend and koreans blamed her for it. if im not mistaken she later committed suicide because the negative comments affected her a lot.
google the burning sun scandal and the nth room scandal, women are right to be mad. the men guilty in the burning sun case got minimum prison time when elsewhere such crimes would have gotten them life imprisonment or at least a 10yr sentence.
last olympics when an san won gold medals for korea, most men of her country were dragging her because she had short hair and they assumed she was feminist. she didnt even say anything. men are not completely blameless in this situation.
that being said ppl are finding partners and building lives but its not enough to save korea's population.
💯💯💯💯💯 Absolutely! And these are just a teeny tiny fragment of the issue!!! Famous, successful singers or celebrities can get cancelled if they are even accused of being a feminist, just for something as stupid as reading a book that could be interpreted to have feminist undertones, or get caught wearing a piece of clothing with a word, or even color or design, that could imply a feminist feeling. Female shop clerks being attacked and beaten just for having short hair, which some men say is "too feminist" or indicates that she's a feminist!!!
It's crazy, but what is even crazier is for foreigners to judge Korean women, or actually all of Korean culture and it's society as a whole, on matters that they do NOT even know about, or understand at all, whatsoever.
I'm Korean. The Korean legal system is weak to ALL GENDERS. Do you know that Nth room situation going around right now? But this time it's Korean women committing crime against men? They are posting and sharing private informations about men on dating apps(including minors and American soldiers) about their sexual part, rating their sexual experiences, photos, videos, names, ethnicity, etc? It has been going on for YEARS but Korean women are still doing it and just recently finally the government and media started paying attention. What else? Do you know about BL? It's fictional pornographic contents that korean female fans and feminists make about their male celebrities such as BTS having sexual intercourse with each other. It has been going on for DECADES. But no one has been punished for it. Korean feminists have committed actual crimes such as current 2nd Nth room incident, mutilating young boy's sexual part, mocking Korean male soldiers who are serving mandatory services for their country. That's why the Korean society don't view Korean feminists to be good.
You know what though? The kpop singer who committed suicide - most of her victim blaming comments were written by women. We have men who fought, and caught the criminals from Burning sun. Everyone is mad, not just women. But elites are corrupted and they have friends in high places, just like in every country. Brett did not offend me as much as all the foreigners who pretend to know our issue through social media.
@@Sugas_Girr off topic, youre an army, arent you???
@@neepagummapu Haha, no, actually I'm not! ☺️ I fell for Agust D, which made me give the group a chance in the first place, and I like & respect them as a group and individuals, but the whole army culture and vibe was just not really for me personally. 😘 But I love meeting and being friends with all the non-toxic ones! 😉
I'm sorry, Brett, but respectfully, you've imposed the western experience onto the rest of the world - the matriachy you're speaking to isn't consistent everywhere outside of America. The rates of sexual violence against women in Korea will shock you, women are less protected than men, especially in judicial circumstances, and so the 4b movement doesn't come purely out of nowhere. Things are severe, different, and motivated by other factors than the ones you recognize in the West.
Its not as bad as what men have to go through in the western world
@@firstnamelastname9219 Luckily, as a straight guy in America, I didn't pick education, HR, psychology, nursing or social work as a career. I chose a total sausage fest of a field, so I generally don't have to worry about women unfairly getting promoted over me, lol!! And I never date women who I even _vaguely_ suspect have feminazi traits or tendencies. So as a guy in America, life is pretty decent for moi. I'm not affected by the "woke matriarchy". As far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist.
This isnt true. The 4B movement is ran by a cult
Thank you very much for pointing this out, this movement would be extreme in America, but it's absolutely necessary in Korea, so many cases of women assaulted, abused, raped or even straight up murdered get ignored by the system, it's not the same there as it is in America
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Nope. Yall are not forced into military like they are at least.
I love Brett but this video just solidified it for me that the west really does not & can never understand the east. I'm Indian & watching people like John Oliver or even right wingers talk about India is just always so soo biased & ill informed. It's like they see what's a recurring headline & go with it. Nuance & understanding how other cultures differ ( especially in Asia) is something that is simply really hard for them to grasp.
Personally, i think you really need to understand the type of men these women are trying to avoid with this movement. Sex crimes in SK are not punished as harshly as.. lets say drug charges in the country. Women feel unsafe around these men, who have, sadly, targeted these women who want simple lives. Its a minority of women... But a minority who tired of feeling unsafe in their own country.
Diddy, R Kelly, Harvey Winstein, and Jeffrey Epstein got away with it in US. Does that mean America as a whole feel unsafe as a whole? No.
btw also Korean Women feel very safe in Korea LOL please do proper research before acting like you know. less than5% of women in korea agree wih 4B.. meaning 95 or more dont feel the same way as you do in korea
To be fair to the anti-makeup part, if you aren’t good looking then you have lower chances of getting hired. You have to submit a photo with your resume. Hence, the prominent plastic surgery and expectations to wear makeup everyday.
this is so true. I applied to a Korean owned bakery where I live and got hired. I understand a little Korean so when I heard the owner said a girl, in her pic, who was applying was too ugly to be hired I was shocked
@ajv2670 Yeah, it's insane in Korea, and it shows that she didn't do enough research about the country
So true. Korean has insane beauty standards that are practicallly impossible to reach.
The government banned the use of photos recently.
I don’t blame them, having kids in this economy is very expensive.
So is going out in the West.
And what do you think will happen to you when you will be old, unable to work and retirement fund would have been abolished?
2 single households are not cheaper than having a partner and a kid. Most of the women opting out of motherhood are actually middle class and with good job. I'm not supporting having multiple kids you can't afford but also don't believe the myth that kids are expensive but maintaining manicures, hair, outfits, holidays with single friends, drinks out, etc is cheaper. Unless you aim for designer only clothes and private school, no, kids are not this "unaffordable".
@@headlesschicken99You’re 100% correct!
@@kagetsuki23isn't it selfish to have children as a retirement plan when you can't support them?
A cab driver once told me: on the left you have to read, on the right just watch the news
Honestly, when i hit 25 i gave up dating.its been 5 years and i live incredibly comfortably. I grew up with that image of the perfect American family and held women to such a high esteem, and now my level of disillusionment is just unmatched. Live your best life gents, you only get one of them too.
I think people don’t understand that Korea mainly cares about looks. People no matter what gender are usually told to get plastic surgery by bosses & coworkers if they wanna climb the ladder. It’s not just Korea though, a lot of people are insecure & will follow through. I think that’s why a part of their thing is stop wearing makeup. Tbh as someone who listens and reads a lot of true crime, I see why people don’t wanna get married in Korea to begin with. I think some had genuine intentions but then it turned into what we’re seeing rn. I don’t think men are the absolute problem, as much as I’d love to just drop it on one person. We all make choices in life & sometimes it’s women that are in the “Men’s” place. As in women can be a groomer, harasser, abuser (Example: Colleen Ballinger was just outed the end of 2023 as a groomer) I think people just need to look at it with a wider lense & take account that anyone can be gross. I also believe people love to see you as a stereotype & refuse to see you as anything else. (not all people but most, whether it’s micro aggressions or full out hating on someone for it)
The main issue is the MONEY! It’s too expensive for just one person let alone 3. They would have to work their whole life just to be able to buy a normal house. Also these women who believe in the 4B thing is a small amount
You beat me to it. Both sexes - at least the 18-35 - are obsessed w K-Pop stars: a ridiculous standard since most have had a lot of surgery. Most men aren’t missing the homely 4B Ladies.
Women should NOT vote!
In this case... it's South Korea and to be honest, if i was a korean women, living in Korea, i'd probably be a feminist too. South Korea have a really weird and shi*ty society when it comes to relationship between people, between men and women etc
So i can understand the case of South Korea, even if it's bad obviously and it won't help and just create more problem, i can still understand it
South Korea is bad? Try living in a Muslim/Islamic country.
@@gifthorse3675 That's not a good comparison, i never said SK was the worst, especially when you compare to such countries. But it doesn't change the fact that being a woman, a local woman, in SK or Japan, it's actually not fun at all.
And actually, on most indicators about women condition etc etc, SK and Japan rank in the lowest, and beinh many muslim countries and african countries.
And also, yes muslim countries are not the best for women, but many muslim countries aren't actually that bad. Not all muslim countries are place like Saudi Arabia where women have no right, must obey everything etc
Lot of muslim countries are actually ok to live in as a women, it's just that most people always think of the worst countries when they talk about women.
@@gifthorse3675 And it's not because some countries are worst that we must pretend that there are no major issue.
If you think like this, then i hope you never complain about anything in USA or in european countries, as most of the other countries of the planet are worst than those countries when it comes to quality of life...
More South Korean women goes to universities than Korean men, they earn more money (given the job and jobtitle is the same), they don't have to serve in the army for 2 years (so they start their education and career earlier than men), more Korean women initiate divorce and the Korean divorce court is extremely favorable for women, you can sue any men SO EASILY in Korea even for a false accusation (and the entire law system is favorable to women) so men are afraid of doing anything with Korean women. i'm a Korean currently living in Korea, so idk what you are talking about. You think South Korea is some outdated medieval style patriarchy society? it's even more radically feminized than most Western countries now. there's a huge movement among Korean men basically affirming to never touch or do anything with Korean women because it's a legitimate legal danger to them that can ruin one's life entirely.
Also the recent trend in Korea clearly shows that young Korean men (20s and 30s) are literally REFUSING to date or marry Korean women (it's simply legally too dangerous. for example, even if you are in a relationship/marriage but the woman decided to declare that the touch was unwanted, you can literally go to jail hyperspeed). also international marriage for Korean man/foreign woman is growing in a rapid pace.
6:49 i cant be the only one expecting ad read there 😂
Ayo that segway to the promo 😂😂
Brett, I suggest you educate yourself on how Korean culture treats women, you are seeing Korea through your privileged Western eyes, it is very different there…
So you are korean?
I'm Korean. What do you mean by how Korean culture treats women? What are the specific horrific treatments are they getting? Nth room incident? Well, do you know that it's happening right now but this time women against men? Have you seen how Korean men are treated?
1. All Korean men have to serve 18 months of mandatory military service. But instead of gratitude, Korean feminists protested against the benefits. What do we get in return? NOTHING. No college tuition, no job hiring benefits, NOTHING. Not even a simply "thank you" from majority of Korean women to be honest. Years ago, Starbucks decided to give out free coffee to soldiers. You know what Korean feminists did? They protested and shut it down. They didn't even allow one cup of free coffee for the soldiers for their sacrifice.
2. Women who falsely accuse men for sexual assaults, barely face any punishment. The legal system is based strongly on what the women say. If there is no security camera nearby, Korean men are doomed even when they are innocent. Even if men try to audio record themselves to prove innocence, the court doesn't see that as legal proof. Even before the court judging them not guilty, innocent men lose their jobs, family and everything, while false accusers walk free. And these cases also end up in SA statistics, making the public more alarmed.
3.Do you know that there is Nth room situation going on right now but this time Korean women against men? These women are posting and sharing private informations about men on dating app(including American soldiers and minors, their sexual part size, sexual experience, ethnicity, etc, mocking them). This has been going on for years but the government and media finally started paying attention.
4. how about BL? For those of you who don't know, BL is short for "Boys Love". Feminists and fans make fictional pornographic contents about male celebrities like BTS having sexual intercourse with one another. It's sick. But none of these crimes are getting punished. We have to see it as good vs evil, not as men vs. women. We have to punish the bad ones. We should stop demonizing men or women for being same gender as criminals.
@@brahbrah7607what are women doing against men?
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1. All Korean men have to serve mandatory military service for 18 months. But the feminists protested against any benefits. So What do Korean men get in return for their sacrifice? NOTHING. No insurance benefits, college tuition, not even a simple "Thank you". Instead, Korean feminists mock the soldiers online. Years ago, Starbucks decided to give out free coffee to Korean soldiers. But the feminists protested against it and shut it down. They didn't even allow one cup of free coffee for the soldiers.
2. Korean women who falsely accuse men for sexual assaults, barely face any punishment. The legal system is based strongly on what the women say. If there is no security camera nearby, Korean men are doomed even when they are innocent. Even if men try to audio record themselves to prove innocence, the court doesn't see that as legal proof. Even before the court judging them not guilty, innocent men lose their jobs, family and everything, while false accusers walk free. And these cases also end up in SA statistics, making the public more alarmed.
3. Do you know that there is Nth room situation going on right now but this time Korean women against men? These women are posting and sharing private informations about men on dating app(including American soldiers and minors, their sexual part size, sexual experience, photos, videos, ethnicity, etc, mocking them). This has been going on for years but the government and media finally started paying attention.
4. how about BL? For those of you who don't know, BL is short for "Boys Love". Feminists and fans make fictional pornographic contents about male celebrities like BTS having sexual intercourse with one another. It's sick.
I'm not talking about all the Korean women here. It's the Korean feminists and criminals. Just like how there can be bad people among Korean men. Majority of Korean men and women are good people.
Women are literally refusing to have babies just to protest. No cultural context makes that okay. You’re just replacing bad men with bad women, something the “privileged west” is very familiar with and will absolutely push for. Educating yourself means calling out idiocy where it happens, not when it’s convenient.
You really missed the nail on this one Brett, glad the comments are explaining that you got it wrong, I hope you come back to touch on this subject after you done extra research on SK culture and societal norms.
The problem isn't just South Korea but Asia as a whole. These countries are highly patriarchal and women are often and still do treated as second class
She won't do it. She needs money from the anti-woman crowd
This is a natural occurrence as population reaches a certain point and that threshold is based on economical/societal conditions. Decreased populations does not necessarily lead to extinction. The population adjustment phase is honestly not as bad as what most would think.
If a population increases, it's due to the conditions which the population is developing in. When it decreases it due to factors in that society which leads individuals to obstain from reproduction. If the governing body is not producing high standards of living and equal opportunities the existing population would choose to not reproduce since it would only an extra burden to their current situation. In this scenario there's only a few options such as enforcing the creation of opportunities or allowing the population to drop which would open up more opportunities. These opportunities would essentially also provide better offers due to limited workforce selection. The pricing of all goods would essentially drop as well due to a smaller consumer base and more competition in attempt to redirect attention away from other competitors.
Either way this was a good video.
Brett does the dumbest things sometimes istg. Bruh I'm not even that deep into this male vs. female wars bullshit and I STILL know the real reason as opposed to gender wars bs.
But apparently Brett who's livelihood depends on making these commentaries... cant do enough research to figure it out.
You know it’s bad when it’s not just America it’s spreading
It's been like that for awhile the U.S. actively exports F3minism and woke garbage to other countries. It's just now because of Social media we can see that it's happening in real time.
Don't tell me ppl didn't expect this...
Even all the woke sh!t is spreading, SK now has all these weird LGBTQ parties and parades now
Right? I thought this man hating thing was mostly an American / Western phenomenon!
America is actually pretty well off, we have the highest birth rates out of any develop country.
It’s not the extreme feminist beliefs that promote low birth rate in Korea. It really is NOT. There’s too much competition, it’s so expensive to provide their children good education, and there are not enough jobs promised for their kids. They don’t want to give their offspring such suffering that they themselves are experiencing. Ugh! Such a misunderstanding by non-Koreans.
Brett, unlike the fake 'patriarchy' in the West, it is real in South Korea. You can feel and see the real patriarchy here. As a woman, you have to serve your husband and in-laws, so I understand why women don't want to get married
Lol you have no idea what Korea is like.
Korea is feminist heaven. They literally have feminism written in their constitution.
Wahahaha Asian babes are not always docile, especially not the Korean ones. Many women command at home.
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"Men cannot be oppressed systemically."
In SK,en are forced into the military for 2 years, mandatory.
Not entirely mandatory, but most dont get another options
but you need to have brought pride to Korean in another manner, such as winning an internationally acclaimed title
which is why korean sport stars are forced to do well, or be drafted like mr. Son from tottenham hotspurs
Who decided that? Women? No, other men made that law.
@@rosesavocado8557 Not the average man, the average person just have to follow the law, no ability to influence its rollout, its typically put in place by people that will never have to see war
Society made that rule. Women complied.
@@woong5002women who spoke against were literally killed, can we take any “compliance” from women as legitimate when they’re clearly pressured from the physical danger men have always subjected them to?
This is a non thing in Korea. Just something that went viral in the West
true, internet is a crazy thing lol, anything that "blows up" on the internet is thought as something big hahaha
I watch most of your videos though I would classify myself as liberal. I agree with maybe 50-70% of what you say. With this though, I think it would have been good to go into why this fringe movement began in the first place and the systemic issues the women are facing in South Korea. While the US and South Korea have a lot in common, our male female issues are quite different. Pretty much the same for Japan.
I've been watching this for a while, kind of studying it on the side for years. I'm very in tune with Korean politics, culture, history, and all things in between. I could attest to everything that woman from Seoul was saying; there is no radical feminist movement sweeping the country, it's basically like how it is here just less frequent and and institutionalized.
She hit the nail on the coffin about ignorant Western Asians who are applying very Western ideals to whatever sensational news they see about their countries of origin or each of their parents' country of origin.
Most Korean women still have relatively traditionalist values about what they want from life and what they want to contribute to society, and it's not a large margin away from most western women or American women.
So weird she's talking about this all because I was imagining in my head the other day how great it would be for a commentator like Brett to discuss all this, at the particular points I want her to know about. I'm so giddy for no reason.
Brett even mentioned the president whom I also found the most curious when I was doing my research throughout the years.
That is not to make imaginary the concerns radical Korean feminists have expressed in and about Korea; culturally and socially it is more dire between the genders there for good reason because of the social structures that are less open-minded in Korea. That doesn't mean women are all abandoning their values just to go against men; I think they're more rational in how they interpret the social issues they're facing and it's a more quiet resentment for how it is there behind all the glamor and idealization of Korea due to the intricate sectors of Korean society and the injustices faced there that go noted.
Many there hold a centrist view about it all kind of like here.
But yeah, even in Korean media and entertainment there are representations of the dating life and cultural shifts that still show that women in Korea aren't as against traditional life as I would compare to us. But for years I've noticed that Korean Cinema and television has been focusing on the criminal aspects and injustices in the Korean judicial and executive sphere with introspective kind of "entertainment." It's not really entertainment you know, but for lack of a better word for the kind of media I'm referring to; there's often mention of real injustices that the writers and often victims and those directly impacted wanted to expose. Still there are radical detractors and loudly opinionated people like here; still, I'd say most people who believe in feminism in Korea still care about cultural and traditional values to uphold most of the time, there's just an open-minded detraction from women and the very restrictive ideals very known about Korean and generally East Asian culture way back when 'til now. And even not even that long ago, like definitely potent into the late 1900s.
And it's just like how other commenters are talking about it; things beyond women and gender relations have swept the nation's political world, like corruption and the job market and general working culture.
Im not Korean so Im asking you. A lot of comments here are saying that women are constantly r@ped and assaulted in Korea 24/7. That Korea is a misogynst hellhole where they're treated like slaves. All of this seems like its extremely exaggerated and propaganda. What do you think?
I don’t think you understand enough about Korean women and what they are actually saying. Radical feminism has indeed swept the women in their 10s, 20s, early to mid 30s at least.
Brett, you are looking at this from a western perspective. What the 4B movent is about isnt about radical feminism. I'm disappointed you didn't look further into this. There are many female Korean UA-camrs that talk about this you could've looked for.
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I understand the concern here but the approach is stupid. You can't just end your life just because living is hard no. You do the opposite, strive for a better life. Did I miss something I taught feminist moment started by women for "women right". Fight for stricter laws the reason why country's like Saudi where they dicapitate the culprit in the middle of the street. You think it's extreme but at the end of the day inflicting fear does the job meticulously.
Just feels like Korean women complaining and whining to be honest.
I'm a Korean myself and I can clearly state that it is radical feminism movement. Most men and women are trying to meet potential partners but it's getting harder to meet everyone's high expectations and most importantly, the high cost of raising a kid, living, etc. But I agree in a sense that western media never mentions the specific problems Korean men face, which is overlooking the entire problem.
I'm Korean myself, and I don't know where YOU are coming from. 4B movement IS about radical feminism. I'm tired of hearing non-Koreans acting like they know what this is about and making this a big deal. It is practically NOTHING in Korea. We laugh at them. Anyone doing 4B movements are pretty much leftovers (in their mid 30s - mid40s). If anyone in Korea is saying there's a deeper meaning to 4B movement, they are making bs for views.
I’m in Hong Kong (originally from the US) and I have found most of the Western media info about East Asia is wrong. Honestly a lot of it seems to be purposely distracting from the fact that the West is crumbling. There are issues here no doubt but my husband and daughters and I feel so much safer here. Cleaner, way less crime, no drugs, no gender ideology at our kids’ school, no LGBT crap, nearly all parents are married, taxes are less than half what we paid in the US.
Didn't hong kong get attacked and there is still massive censorship from mainland china? i personally feel better about US future in regards to our freedom o.O
I'm Korean, and I agree with you. I think people (mainly ladies on social media) in the West are so bored.
@@drunkenant7319 My kids go to a Christian school here (as they did in the US) and my husband teaches at a Christian university and honestly the family values are much stronger here. There are problems here with people getting married later and not having as many kids just like in the US, no doubt, but overall it is far more peaceful and family-friendly than the drug-ravaged cities in my home country. It makes me extremely sad because I love the US so much but it is reality now.
Well you all are literally a Chinese colony, no wonder you hate the US 🤡
You're in Hong Kong, it's under the control of CCP and rights are extremely limited comparing to when it was under British rule. Sounds like an advertisement by a CCP wumao.
Okay. honestly...I have no Idea what I was ever aspiring to, in regards to meeting someone and forging a happy marriage. I believe marriage is the second biggest act of faith after following Christ But honestly...I give up. I'm no longer desiring to meet anyone. I'm an 18 year old male, and honestly...I don't know what I was ever hoping for. Women would rather be with bears..? I have no hope for anything or anyone. I damn my aspirations to hell. I'm so sick of all of this. I no longer believe that anyone in this world is capable of a healthy monogamous loving marriage. With my luck, I'll end up in an abusive manipulative relationship. I refuse to be crucified to a loveless, "relationship". And I loathe myself for ever wanting to be with anyone for any moment in time! If these are the sorts of people in our society; our nation is doomed. I'm budling my house in a forest somewhere. Once you people figure out what men and women are; figure out what love is, and then find me! Because until then...? I'm out! No dating, no meet-ups no nothing!
As someone, nearly, 30 years older than you, I wish I could give you some words of wisdom, inspiration or hope. I have to agree with a lot of your conclusions. However, bleak they may be. What I can say is that you are wise beyond your years.
Since, you're a believer in God, I have to believe that there's a like-minded girl for you in church or among your social circles. I know that much of the internet and social media are toxic but, you can find specific groups of people who fit into your world view.
More importantly, you're still young and what you are feeling and believe now may not hold true as you get older. You still got a lot of living to do. Focus on yourself, family and your career.
Expect the unexpected. If you're, still, interested in finding someone when you get older it could come from the most unlikely of places. Hope that helps. Good luck and God bless.
@@saejinlee6304 My heart has run cold and dry to the mere concept of love. I no longer have faith in people. There was once a time above. A time before the world descended into chaos. When people had common sense and understood the diamond absolutes of the world. It's why I'm conservative, it's why I follow Christ, and it's why I'm so damn lost. I believe in those diamond absolutes and everywhere I turn my head I see everything I've grown up knowing thrown on its head. This nation has completely forsaken the principals upon which it was founded. What never ceases to amaze me is that Sodom and Gamora where destroyed for less than what happens here in America. And if I have to chose between remaining alone and keeping my head verses attempting to join myself with an actual woman (dare I use such language) in this accursed place...It's no contest. Nevertheless I thank you friend for your kind input. God bless you.
@@ishaanhodge3495 Wow! You possess an insight and moral clarity that people, 2 or 3 times your age, don't have. You just summed up everything I feel about the direction of our country.
It just took me longer to get to where you are at, right now. My only solace is that I'm older than you. So, hopefully, I won't have to witness the complete destruction of the American Republic.
Still, I see a bright future for you. Individually, that is. Just keep your nose to the grindstone and block everything else out.
Thank you friend
To be fair, I lived there as an English teacher from 2007 to 2012 and it was a CRAZY sexist society. The girls I taught in kindergarten or 1st grade were often bubbly and had personalities. By middle school the girls were quiet, meek, invisible, laughing behind their hands. The beauty standards there were insane. Women were expected to be dressed to the nines at every hour of the day. If you gained weight, everyone else would point it out. Even non-Koreans didn't escape this. You might just get greeted in the elevator up to work, "Oh, you look like you are getting fat." (I was 130 pounds and fit). I went to work one day without make-up on and my boss (a woman) told me I looked tired and I should go put some make-up on.
Gay people were not allowed to be out. I played rugby there, and a lot of the non-Korean players were lesbians, and so I heard a lot about the lesbian scene in Seoul. There was one night club dedicated to it. Even then, there was a strict femme-butch pairing, as in, one was the masculine lesbian and one was the feminine one, and that one was still expected to wear make-up and frilly dresses and take on that role.
It was until recently a rigid society with girls encouraged to get plastic surgery for everything so they look perfect. They are also still supposed to excel in school, so they get that pressure as well on them from that. I had third graders who were in after school cram classes until 8 or 9 pm and then had to go home and do homework and were back up at 6 am. I am shocked they didn't crack sooner honestly. Then as mothers, their children's education is also all on them. So the success of their children at school is squarely on their shoulders. They do all the housework and child rearing but now they also have to work because everything is so expensive. The men also do work all the time, but they do not have to attend to household or children chores. They also get a free pass to go out drinking and to massage parlours while the women have to look the other way.
I for one, am SO happy to hear the Korean women are pushing back. This is their take off the hijab moment we should all be hoping for our Middle Eastern sisters who WANT to do so. The point is having the choice. Korean women didn't have the choice, so yes, Korean girls not wearing make up and shaving their heads was a radical, brave move. Backlashes are often pretty intense and so refusing to get married and have kids altogether is an equal and opposite reaction to the expectations put upon them by their society until very recently.
I see us in the West as having nearly completed our own backlash and now perhaps we can find some balance, so we don't go off the rails, and can have a healthy relationship that is based on choice with marriage and having kids. But meanwhile, have some more compassion for how hard it was for Korean girls to push back and how recent that was. Let's hope they find balance!
You don't understand other cultures.
She’s a living proof that white supremacy still exists
As a Korean person, Brett is saying the truth
Personally, I do not agree with this take. I understand where Brett is coming from but South Korea is, from my understanding, still quite conservative in many of it's practices. The BBC recently released a documentary on UA-cam which details about the Burning Sun incident and how the female guests were treated there...
Watch it.
The girl who talked about her assault had me in tears. I don't know who she is but I feel HORRIBLE for her.
South Korea is plagued with plenty of issues and I think that the 4B movement should be looked at from so many other perspectives.
because we all know trust the BBC to be representative and not push outlier sensationalism to advance their politics...
Even if there are issues over there, such an extreme shift won't help, and will only harm the situation.
@@renaissancenovice7202 I get what you want to say, I do. But the situation in Korea is a little more complicated than us people in the West probably know. Ofc there are people who want to twist the story to fit their agenda.
But South Korea has too many of these incidents.
Yes, exactly! I 100% agree with you.
Hear hear, you CANT look at this from such a US centric lense. Sometimes americans miss the mark so badly just because they assume other countries are like them😅
well, I follow tons of Korean beauty gurus (jeje) and most of them just state that they wouldn’t marry a Korean or Japanese guy because of the cheating culture, but if they find someone that’s worth it they would 100% be with that person. the marriage and birth rate goes down in terms of full Korean couples but with Korean-Foreigner couples it goes up. a lot of males in SK and Japan are just disgusting just like all around the world but the amount of sex violence, hidden cameras (in public spaces, hotel rooms and between couples, obviously without consent) it’s really alarming. there has been a lot of cases of full violence leading to murder bt 2022-2024 and the police does absolutely nothing.
So that's the slaughter theory, folks, where the "deserves" is the guy who makes a lot of money.
To be fair women in South Korea get far worse treatment than those in America. Assault cases aren’t taken as seriously by the law and a lot of the time male assaulters and rapists are given very short sentences as they were drunk and deemed “not accountable” for their actions. In addition to this Korean women always have to live in fear of being filmed inappropriately by the men or hidden cameras installed in bathrooms or changing rooms by men. Whilst it’s easy to deem this movement drastic it’s important to remember the women’s treatment varies a lot from country to country and that a lot of these Korean women are doing this as a result of the terrible treatment they have experienced at the hands of men.
So just like how men are treated badly in the Americans justice system
Brett's face at "you are so brave" killed me. 😂
fr same
I literally read this comment as she said it 😂
😂😂😂I thought I was the only one
Women should NOT vote!
i think doing that in a country like South Korea is actually brave
Brett's take on the matter is so 'American'.(viewing the World according to their molds & standards) I highly recommend to watch the Asian Boss's interview of a female Korean journalist on the matter.
Least she could have done was watched that interview & then made this video