I like to think that Sada was so obsessed with her work it drove her mad. That’s why she became delirious and thought Koraidon was actually Arven. That’s why she died saving it.
The AI’s dialogue during the final fight was actually the real Sada’s own thoughts. She was willing to kill anyone to save her work. She was _that_ mad.
@@Pine_Time I don't think so she's sacrificed herself to save korridon and and The Ai believed that arviin mother loved him... What I find interesting that in Pokemon Violet Arvin's Mother was a deadbeat that abandoned her son and husband. In Pokemon Scarlet it's vice versa with the husband abandoning Sada and Arven.
I think that something, maybe that third legendary (or being if results to be not a pokémon but something else) that is the source of the terastal phenomenon, influenced her into madness, and that's why she went so far that not even her robotic assistand, made in her image, could predict it: She was not the same Sada anymore.
@@elpopman2055 That's exactly the point I was making though. Koraidon was the result of her time machine. Sacrificing herself to save Koraidon was saving her work.
It’s like Sun and Moon’s antagonist being your friend’s drug-addicted mom. Lusamine is normally kind and loving, but the neurotoxins turn her into a completely different person.
Thing is I have hope for the dad then the mom since he went into the future, the mom went into the past if anything goes wrong she won't he fixed and we know she didn't make to the present time to warn her living self. And also the dad went into the future why didn't he try to send something to the past to warn the living dad so he can live and give the boi a parent. Feels like alot could have been done here smh.
P.s. if we seen the Iron variants and since these are "natural" in the future wth happened to the environment?!. This pretty much is foreshadowing the future games.
I lost my mother at a young age. I had no idea that this was what the story was going to unfold into when I started. By the end I was crying my eyes out. My heart went out to Arvin. This game had such impactful storytelling and it culminated into something personal, real (as far as “real” can be for Pokémon), and deep. I also had mad respect for everyone’s reactions with him to it all. They didn’t coddle him or treat him any different. They gave him an opportunity to grieve and they were his friends every step afterwards. I’ll also say this: I’ve never been of an opinion about Pokémon and voice acting, but holy shit this would have been the game to do it and I’m just waiting for whoever’s brave enough and patient enough to dub over the dialogue. I’ll be ready to cry once more.
I had the same experience, but it was my father who passed when I was young. Also I was playing Violet, so it just hit me harder than it would if I was playing Scarlet.
Arven has to be one of if not the most tragic pokemon character. N was lied to basically his entire life but at least he seemed satisfied leaving with his dragon. Gladion and Lillie at least ended up being happy with the outcome of everything that happened in sun and moon. But DAMN bro. What the hell was Arven left with? Basically nothing. He had his childhood taken from him, his dog almost died, he was forced to take care of the thing that took his parent's attention, and after years without even seeing his parent, the moment he finally does, it's not even his parent, but an AI of his parent! And then he finds out that his real parent has died. And to make things worse, the AI couldn't even stay with him and left to go to the past/future. Man was literally left with nothing. At least he got his dog.
@@fireemblemheroescuzynot9625 In this case I can actually buy it. And you know why? *Because you as the player were actually a part of it.* It would be one thing if it was all completely offscreen, but it wasn't. Penny, Arven, and Nemona. All three of them were crucial parts of the journey from the very beginning, and we got to interact with them all throughout it. And then when it's finally time for *all* of them to help you traverse the final area (you're actually traveling *together* for once instead of the NPC's just going on ahead), and they're all steadily telling each other about their backgrounds, fighting together against the Paradox mons, as they finally solve the mystery, *you can just FEEL the comradery of it all.* And I love that in storytelling. So, you're right. The power of friendship is a cliche trope. But when it's done right, especially when it's got *Fire-Forged Friends* as an underlying basis, it works wonders.
Honestly, Sada/Turo being an AI backup kinda killed that aspect of Arven's story for me. My best friend has a mother I've never met and a piece of shit dad, and I've known him my entire life. If Sada/Turo had actually still been alive and just abandoned Arven, it would have been a lot more relatable to me, not to mention a lot darker in tone
In the research labs, you can read Sada/Turo’s journals. One of them mentions that the man/woman partner that was working with them left shortly after the child was born. They’re quite interesting. There’s at least one in each research lab
@@lightdarksoul2097 it implies that the one that’s not in the game left the other due to difference in opinion shortly after Arven was born. The professor needing help after that is what made them make the AI
@@slaps1455 if anything it means Arven has 2 bad parents, sure one never knew in the long run what happened, also wait the opposite parent left when he was born, hm wow so the other parent never knew how far down the deep end the opposite one went, and either did so as well or say their counterpart basically go crazy and mellowed out.
@@charusharu I really hope they do tie it together! It would be cool if we have an older Turo/Sada (the one that didn’t make an AI of themselves in their respective games) that comes looking for Arven after all of this time
I'm aware that it's probably just a coincidence and nothing intentional, but I have witnessed this both in my own playthrough as well as in a lot of videos online. Despite warning us that her battling abilities are peerless, the AI makes some extremely illogical decisions during the first battle with the Paradox Pokémon, like using ground type moves against flying types, switching in Pokémon that are weak to the one on the field and so on. Like the briefly glitched-out text at the beginning of the second battle ("AI Sada has no intention on fighting any more"), I believed this to be another instance of the AI desperately trying to fight through her own programming to make it possible for the player to stop her.
when playing violet, iron bundle used ‘snowscape’ FIVE turns in a row, and the rest of the time kept using rather weak moves. i couldn’t believe how fortunate i was. i got to heal my entire party back from the brink of annihilation and that turned the tide. i would’ve been defeated on only his third pokémon if he hadn’t been so foolish. or, perhaps merciful, like you said. yeah i’m gonna go ahead and incorporate that into my headcanons list
I played Violet so instead of Sada, I got Turo. What’s really sad is it’s pretty clear that the other professor is the other parent and if you read the journals in research lab 4, you find out that they have vanished. Hence why Arven is even more alone. As someone who is very close with my dad, I cried like a baby at the end with Turo. It’s so sad knowing your parent died even more so because they let their ambition take over. Also I’m hoping one day xD my name would be said in the intro haha i know it’s random but I’ll keep an eye for it
It is sad - and it would be cool if the DLC explores that relationship! Glad you had a similar experience - it hits hard, that's for sure. ;-; Happy Holidays, Diana!
I loved this storyline. They had me crying with him trying to save his only friend, then they gave him hope, only for it be dashed as the ghost of his mother tries to kill him. But, his friends give him a chance to mourn. And that’s beautiful, having recently lost a loved one myself.
Sorry to hear of your loss. And honestly when his story was shown trying to help his buddy I went full on that path. Then as I went down reading the journals I feared she was trapped in the past or gone after lab 4. Then penny and star road I at first rolled my eyes when I heard of them but then as we learned more I was all on their side too. I legit think the thing that made the Crystal's in the dlc is a monster that stole their freedom and sanity.
This plotline hurt. Arven didn't get the closure he wanted from his Prof parent, but from the A.I. that had a fragment of them. The A.I. was more of a parent to him than his actual parent who died a few years back and it even tried to stop the ambition that would've cost Paldeia's safety. Poor Arven. He had one tragedy after another and seeing him succeed in his primary objective brought tears to my eyes from the emotional seen.😭
Also worth noting that fan favorite characters Larry and Grusha have both had their dreams lost. Grusha actively tries to show a harsh reality to the player while Larry tries to show how uncaring it is.
There is something up with Geeta. I’m pretty sure the only reason why she has Glimmora, a hazard-based pokemon, as her ace when you’ve already beat the rest of her team, is because the designers explicitly wanted you to know that there is some sort of connection between her and Area Zero. Geeta taking away the dreams and ambitions of others would definitely be in line with this theory as well!
Now that you mention Grusha there was one NPC who said he was in some sort of accident from what I can remember 🤔. To me it felt like Grusha was still a bit bitter about how his dream ultimately ended. But I do see him trying to warn the player to not get too cocky so to speak. While Larry bless his heart seemed to be crushed by the weight of life. Makes me wonder what dreams and aspirations he had in his youth. Whatever they were it obviously didn't pan out the way he wanted. And now he is just a "Salary Man". Out of all the gym leaders these two stick out the most to me.
@@RaiginAnimator Friends don't let friends not play amazing Pokemon games. Lol. Maybe they need some kind of incentive to play? Like a friendly challenge?
One thing that makes Sada hit harder for me is that she's going to the ancient past, potentially before humans, so its entirely possible she's going to be alone. Assuming her power doesn't die out instantly and she can recharge from solar power or something, she could be completely alone for centuries... Meanwhile assuming humanity hasnt all died Turo's probably just chilling in a hover jet checking out the future
Unfortunately the future can be just as bleak... Eras only come to an end after a mass extinction occurs so if he's traveling beyond the current era the world may be overrun by things that aren't human at all, with humans having died out long ago. Its eerie to think about...
Hmm, that is an interesting point. Would you rather be in a world which has yet to even produce things that are even closely human and you yourself will inevitably become the presents history, or be in a world where humans have long since died out and now you must deal with the consequences of an entire dead dominant species. The game is fantastic and each option has its own horror to explore, makes me wanna write a book!
Nah, either way the Time Machine isn’t there so Turo probably suffers the same fate. Actually saw a fanfic recently of that with ai Turo XD very bittersweet short
i would only assume, from the Future paradox dex that the Future looks dead. since it's explained that, before all pokemon went extinct- in an attempt to save them, they created Cyborg pokemon. so it's likely very dangerous and filled with the smell of death, whilst the Past is an ancient paradise. of course it's also going to be pretty dangerous since Dinosaurs will murder you so Ancient pokemon will do the same. all i'm saying is they're equally dangerous and alone
I have a feeling when the tv show comes around to the latest Gen 9 games it’ll actually merge the stories! Professor Sada and Turo are actually married! And if you played the game and know where the story ends and how you felt for Arvin then you’ll feel even worse knowing how this one will end if they do merge the game story into one 😢
i'd LOVE that... btu sadly, ever since Journeys they haven't added the majority of the actual game itself into part of the Anime. it looks like Nemona isn't the protags rival, but instead some rando purple haired dude with a black glove (hinting at the elite four gloves) but i REALLY hope they find a way to include them in.
One of the details that bother me most is the fact that the professor made it so the failsafe to turn off the time machine actually triggers a self defense program, and how do you use the failsafe? You need the professor's journal, that Arven has, that the professor would know Arven has. They made a fake failsafe that goes hostile knowing that the only person able to activate it in the first place is their son.
The prof. wouldn't know that Arven has it because from what we know, Arven took it from the lab after Sada/Turo left. That's why the AI thinks the book is in the lab
This story is also notable in that it's perhaps the first time that I can recall wherein the games themselves a person dies from being attacked by a pokemon. This combined with PLA emphasizing the deadly risk of it all is a real tonal shift from the past, one that I personally like. Pokemon, being magical creatures, would obviously be immensely dangerous and it has always been heavily implied they hold back in a lot of scenarios.
If you didnt play it then I'm sorry but Legends Arceus is based on the fact Pokemon can hurt/kill people (the boss of team galaxy had his entire village destroyed by pokemon, snorlax eating entire food storages counted among grave disasters etc)
Brutal pokemon murder has been around since Gen 3 where the big lizard/fish tried to dehydrate/drown everyone to death, but PLA and SV are the first times it was particularly explicit about pokemon murdering humans
@@crescent_sun482 The pokemon didn't murder the humans, two legendary pokemon got in a territory battle to see which on would rule the area. The professors got between them and that action got them killed. They got killed by indirect action, not by the pokemon intentional killing them. You see this happens all the time in nature and why zookeepers never get between two animals fighting because they end up being injured or killed.
I absolutely loved this story--Hell, the entire game! When I got down to Area Zero and saw Avren, Nemona & Penny following behind my character--I LOST MY SHIT! (Been wanting something like that since Pokémon Colosseum). The theme in Area Zero I fell in love with immediately. Traveling to the four research facilities, the interactions between my friends and reading the open journals left behind was giving away something dark... then upon reaching the 4th research facility and so on--everything was just dark and even more epic from that point on. Now I just want to play Violet for the story after beating Scarlet.
They even talk to each other after each research facility that you get to! They talk while they follow you. Apparently Nemona's father helped create the Rotom Phone, or something like that.
@@HazbinCovenWitch YES! I loved how they just talked as we traveled. I was like: "I need more of this". Honestly, I hope they add a feature where you have the option to travel with all 3 characters upon visiting their dorms and asking them. You can disperse your friends back at the school, giving you the option to still travel alone or with a party. I would love to travel with the 4 of them riding Koraidon/Miraidon. The 3 of them running with you in the fields. Selecting one of your friends to battle in wild/double battles with you. Raid battles with the 3 of them. The possibilities are endless. I truly enjoyed this game. Friends with the Champion of the region, the regional professor's kid and the boss of Team Star. Quite the line up of friends. And I love each of them.
Seeing the three of them talk to each other like real people, and having pretty realistic interactions… I felt like they were really my friends. I was on the brink of tears, but also laughter at the same time.
I have my personal gripes with Nemona and Penny, Arven alone makes this game the way it is. I felt Arven’s pain, in fact I literally went through bathing my dog one day… for the next day him dying in his sleep. So Arven hits too close to my personal vicinity, that I feel his soul in mine.
That’s how it will probably play out in the Pokémon anime. The Pokémon anime usually tries to combine the aspects of both versions. It’ll be interesting to see how Liko and Roy tackle AI Sada and Turo. Assuming this is an adaptation of the games and not Journeys 2.0 with defeating an adult Ash in the World Coronation being Liko’s goal as s Pokemon Trainer. But even if it is, I still think we will have some Pokémon Scarlet and Violet aspects to the anime, just as we had some Sword and Shield aspect to Pokémon Journeys (e.g The Darkest Day arc).
One thing I saw mentioned is that AI Sada not being able to agree with Sada's vision can be viewed as retrospect, which is another past vs future theme. It could be that the real Sada would too, in time, have come to the realization that her dream was too reckless and wouldn't work as planned, but she passed away before she could reach that point, leaving her time machine/dream to run unchecked. While she seemed very devoted to protecting the time machine, which is kinda understandable since life's work and also a time machine, things honestly didn't seem to be that bad. It was more of the potential and likely future of Paldea being overrun by Paradox Pokemon that was the issue if the time machine was left to run. But if the real Sada was still around, she may not have left it get that far, especially after the Paradox Titan escaped. Also, another thing that is easy to miss is that the AI Professor kind of dies too. They talk about going to the past/future to have their own adventure and be free, but just a few minutes prior they mentioned the reason they were bound to lab in Area Zero is because they need the crystals down there to function. So if they were sent to the far past/future, either the crystals wouldn't be there and the AI would cease to function or the crystals are there and they are still stuck in the same area. So yah... Definitely a far darker and deeper story than I was expecting from a Pokemon game.
I still think there's more to Geeta. The way Nemona commented how Glimmora, Geeta's ace is from Area Zero which means she knows what was happening there and kept tight lip about it.
the thing is, I know why they made Glimmora Geeta's ace, it's from area zero so they made it come last, but it's an awful ace. It makes a better setup Pokemon being able to learn stealth rock without a TM, and having toxic debris as it's ability to get the poison spikes in, and even if it doesn't get hit by a physical move it will still be able to get spikes in because it can also learn the move that sets it up.
The final battle screwed with me so much because the imagery of the glitched out twitchy AI is not only unsettling to witness after all these years of the Professors being generally lovely, but it's straight up *morbid* when you realize the AI is essentially Sada/Turo's personality before becoming consumed by their dreams of "Paradise". So not only do we have to process the plot twist of a main character being dead (+ all the implications this carries for story stuff), we're made to basically witness the steps by which this happened in rapid succession as we see the AI switch from normal Professor, to madness, then back again. It felt like the final switch back was symbolizing the regret Sada/Turo likely held deep down inside as their life flashed before their eyes at the time of dying... while the forming tera crystals/damaged body + decision to leave to the past/future were reminding us of the fact that the Professor was too far gone and nothing could have been done to change things. They are truly, 100% *gone*. Or at least that's how it felt for me in that moment for me. Regardless of what our personal take aways are from the story, it's safe to say this was an amazing conclusion and Gamefreak truly outdid themselves here!
I really can't decide how I feel about the original Sada/Turo. The AI shares her memories, but is still a separate being. Can one really code their own mind? I like to think that AI Sada is her own entity, just incredibly similar to the original Sada. I can believe that Sada THOUGHT she loved her son, but her actions were still hurtful and traumatic for Arven. At the end of the day, that's neglect. He had no one (Mabosstiff is wonderful but it sadly doesn't count as a parental figure). We don't really know much about HER, only her AI. One could make a case that AI Sada is an idealized version of her even. Who would want to immortalize the bad parts of themself? She could've been so far into her work that she didn't even realize what she was doing, or she could've been so busy because she didn't care enough to add Arven into her schedule, or she could've been so wrapped up because she wanted to make the world safer for him, or show him the results to make him proud. We have no idea. We also can't say that AI Sada is an accurate reflection of her either. Anything she says to Arven at the end of the game is not a thought the original Sada had and we can't prove that the original Sada did have that same thought during her lifetime. At the end of the day, Arven suffered because of her neglect, intentional or not. I can't say she's evil. We have no idea how much of that programming was her intention, the AI, or the Paradise Protection Protocol gone awry. What we can say is that she failed as a mother.
There's a theory that the Tera crystals may have affected her mind, driving her almost insane. The desire to work on the time machine wasn't entirely her own, it could have been influenced by the crystals. Since AI Sada wasn't organic, the crystals didn't affect her in the same way. If the theory is true, she, programmed using the real Prof Sada's memories as her basis, gives us the closest understanding of Sada's true thoughts, free from the effects of the Tera crystals. I'd like to believe the real Sada would be proud of Arven, were she not consumed by the influence of the crystals. I think it makes it even more tragic of a story, ngl, especially with what I saw in another comment saying she threw herself in front of the weaker Koraidon because she thought it was Arven. There could have been a good mother in there, but it was doomed to stay trapped within the depths of her mind.
9:08 When you take into account that Koraidon escaped only at the very beginning of the game, that would mean that Sada had only recently been killed. She really was just that neglectful of a parent.
Never really confirmed that the "territorial fight" was the one that killed Sada, Arven said that she stopped contacting him years ago which could either mean she died and stopped contacting him or she was that neglectful to the point she forgot about her own son Most likely she died in another battle because the crystals have seemed to grow over time and AI Sada would have mentioned something about her dying shortly before she contacted you the player. The territorial fight happened after her death perhaps because of the other Koraidon blaming our Koraidon for Sada's death or truly just a territorial fight which caused Koraidon to flee Area Zero Sorry to make that comment really long, I just like to dig into lore a lot
@@TDLBallistic That’s not enough proof for it to be “heavily implied” because although it is the 2nd one they brought, they never implied anything about Koraidon/Miraidon doing it. The territorial fight took place the night before we start the game hence Koraidon/Miraidon fleeing Area Zero. AI Sada/Turo says that Arven’s real mom/dad truly loved him which is why they they sent him letters but a few years ago they stopped implying that Sada/Turo died. That last sentence alone proves my theory a lot. Even more proof is that the lab looks abandoned and destroyed and I don’t think real Sada/Turo would leave it like that if they were alive. Research Station No. 4 looks to be abandoned and destroyed a long time ago plus I don’t think large tera crystals can grow in a matter of weeks or the amount of time you spent on your journey. AI Sada/Turo wouldn’t just call some 10 - 11 year old to fix their problem right after real Sada/Turo died but they would probably take some time to shift to being alone and no human to control them. Most of these I stated in my og reply.
Pokemon often tell stories about parents and kids. We have Silver, Brendan/May, N, Lilly and now Arven. They are diffrent but always showing strugglin relationships between them.
I find it interesting that in the end you’re effectively fighting the ghost of the Professors who developed psychopathic tendencies late in their lives. edit: And if you think that they weren’t psychopaths, remember that they created a failsafe program designed to kill whoever turns the Time Machine off.
I think that was the insanity that takes them. Even the ai was shocked. But when they get beat they have a moment of clarity and speak to arven as the old one's feelings as a parent. But the crystal took them from fascination and research to insanity.
I think that something, maybe that third legendary (or that being if results to be not a pokémon but something else) that is the source of the terastal phenomenon, influenced her into madness, and that's why she went so far that not even her robotic assistant, made in her image, could predict it: She was not the same Sada anymore.
I gotta say I really hate this theory. Not because it's impossible, but because it really IS and would dampen the impact that Sada had on me immensely.
I got Pokémon Violet, so for me it was Prof. Turo, but I must say, the entire story of Pokémon S/V is so intriguing, especially “Path of Legends” and believe me, when I reached Area Zero, my jaw dropped, I was so blown away by it! And as someone who has a very caring father and mother, the entire Prof. Turo thing actually had me crying… if I were to lose either or both of my parents, I’d fall apart… Also on a different note and game, can we all agree that the exile portion of Legends: Arceus was really good at tugging on your heartstrings? Kinda like the Mystery Dungeon series?
Ngl I cried when the player got exiled in PLA. I was just really happy with the 'found family' aspect the game had, intentional or not. So when it was revealed that the dude(I can't remember his name) never fully trusted you, and blames you for everything bad that's happened, despite being the one that stopped it... Yeah, that hurts. Worst part is that you can be mad at him without thinking he's an idiot for exiling you. I mean yeah, if some person fell out of the sky around the same time these Pokemon go rogue, I'd be hella suspicious too. But I loved that you had characters like the Guild leaders, Rei or Akari (depending on which you played as), Cyllene, and even motherfucking Volo(who was only helping you for his own personal gain, but you don't know that yet), and the professor(I can't remember his name either) help you from the 'shadows,' so to speak. tl;dr - PLA is a great game and it made me cry over found family tropes.
Sada kinda reminds me of Lusamine in way. Lusamine was distraught after her husband (Mohn) got sucked into a portal (Which ended up being PokePelago) and she threw herself into her work about portals/wormholes to get him back. But then she encountered Niliego. An Ultra Beast that fed on Lusamine and (in a sense) took control of her. Her ambition to find her husband was lost and instead replaced with the need to open those wormholes to Ultra Space and basically abandon her children _for_ the Ultra Beast Niliego. Basically both Sada (the real one) and Lusamine, were both consumed by their ambition that got corrupted/twisted in some way. I think something might have corrupted Sada as well in way. She had _some_ form of consciousness of what she doing. But like you said, it's like her _ambition_ took control of her.
Quickly took a top 3 spot for my favorite game. I haven’t paid attention to a Pokémon game’s story in over a decade and this one dropped my jaw and brought tears to my eyes repeatedly
Both of the professors ambitions are scary if you think about it. Like they both went as far to make these elaborate plans for even after their deaths. Makes me think; that both of the professors in their prospective games are going after their partner who gotten in the time machine to the past/future. And that’s why the prof is so obsessed with getting the time machine to work. I know it wasn’t in the games but that’s my reason for why the other prof isn’t in opposite game of each other lol
Yeah both stories can hit harder. A mother who lost herself in her work but truly loved her son and wanted him to see a past world, and a father who was all that son had left but he left him in search of the future
I wonder do with the new anime having a new protagonist . Maybe this is sign for a bit more darker story telling in Pokemon both in anime and game to come. We will just have to wait and see.
I was actually emotionally invested in the game, and all three(technically 4) stories too. I loved all three of the companion characters, among which Nemona is my fav but Arven and Penny are great too. Wasn't expecting it, but Clavell is amazing. The e4 feels like a little found family, my fav e4. Geeta's team sucks but is an intriguing character. Most of the gym leaders are great. The teachers are entertaining. They just hit the jackpot with the characters and story this gen, really enjoyed gameplay too. If only there weren't so many performance issues........ and voice acting, the cutscenes really needed voice acting
@@TechnoArpan I can see where you're coming from but I'd worry GameFreak would go hammy or cartoony with the voices. It would clash with the tone and just ruin it. On the other hand, if they did masterful work with it, especially when she was all glitchy, it could have been bone-chilling.
@@thatman666 Depends. Geeta did get done dirty but uh.... I went in at lvl 54ish and used two torch songs on her Espathra(somehow missed it's ability) and almost got sweeped. Either way, her team order and composition are shitty but atleast Nemona has a good team. I would like to say, I was doing no items, including held items since I believed that'd be fair, considering NPCs don't have held items or use items in battle. And I was also playing with self imposed set mode. I was like lvl 55ish first time into the Nemona battle, lost twice. Almost got her the third time but her Quaqaval swept me so finally I switched up the team to counter her and win. Had tons of fun with that battle
To stick to the Made in Abyss similarities, original Sada's character is very similar to Bondrewd (Made in Abyss spoilers for Dawn of the Soul ahead, beware). Bondrewd, like Sada, was blinded by ambition. He wanted to desperately find a way for humans to be able to ascend the Abyss, which curses anyone who attempts to ascend back up from the depth, with the effects being much worse the deeper down you ascend from. He eventually came to know that he had to abandon a sense of reality, the one he would have had back in Orth at the surface, and this was seen by him completely losing his humanity: white whistles gain their whistles by sacrificing one that is dearest to them, but Bondrewd managed to do so by quite literally sacrificing himself, using a relic to keep himself alive, and essentially immortal. This man is no longer human, he has gone beyond the "original" Bondrewd (like AI Sada surviving Sada), can just switch hosts if his current host gets compromised. Under this form, he could experience in depth the effects of the curse (and blessing) of the Abyss, in fact discovering (after using that funny elevator on orphaned kids from the surface) that the key to surviving the Abyss and getting blessed is love, true actual love for the one person you hold the most to (proven by the experiment done on Mitty and Nanachi). Both Sada and Bondrewd also had a love for their child. Bondrewd adopted Prushka and quite literally raised her, with genuine love and care. But this is where Sada and Bondrewd diverge: Sada loved her son so much he wanted to protect him from the truth of the Crater, so she shoved him away. Bondrewd loved his daughter so much, it enabled him to exploit the truth of the Abyss, so he quite literally used her, turned her into a funny little cartridge that he could use to survive the curse of the Abyss. But in the end, both have hurt their children through love because of their blindness by ambition, which goes to show that ambition can get in the way of your senses and the people around you. Arven wanting to find his mother deep in the Crater is also a very similar premise to Riko's longing to find her mother deep in the Abyss, though such a plot can be easily found at random, it's some sort of trope. The Area Zero theme however gives off a lot of Made in Abyss vibe, and let's not forget how the area itself has the same ethereal, "beautiful but cruel" atmosphere to it, with surprising but dangerous creatures in it. Even some "non-Crater" Pokemon like Tinkaton and Orthworm have a lot of similarity to some MiA aspects: Tinkaton's hammer has a similar theme and design to relics or general raider tools in MiA, such as that exploding pickaxe Riko gets her hands on, and Orthworm looks very similar to a Splitjaw in terms of color, and even his name has "Orth" in it, like the city that sits upon the rims of the Abyss, though it could be a way to combine "Ore" and "Earth", though (its Japanese name is Mimizuzu so there isn't really anything MiA in its true name). But it wouldn't be surprising if they took inspiration from Made in Abyss. Season 2 recently is considered among the best in 2022, and in general the story and worldbuilding is just utterly beautiful. But it's unfortunate that the author gives off a lot of p**o vibes and pretty much draws l*li kinks on the back covers, let alone draw the characters in very weird situations here and there despite being literal children :/
One thing I do like to think / theorize is (and while it doesn't excuse what the parent did/the neglect) is that Arven simply states having no memory of them which means it's quite possible at the very least he was at least looked after by his parent when he was you know a wee small baby before he'd even be old enough to have memories- and was only as he got older that unfortunately they started to drift away leaving Mabostiff to watch over him (plus you know the fact that they actually died leaving only an android around anyway tbh arguably Prof's s/o is even worse choosing to dip out on them after they had a child- and I guess not even caring enough to take Arven with them either
Haven't had a game mess me up this bad emotionally in a long time. I went from not really vibing with Arven at the beginning to him possibly being my new all time favorite Pokémon character.
(Scarlet Exclusive) Theory: Sada and Turo both exist, and are both Arven’s parents. But due to Sada’s neglecting Arven, they divorced. After Sada’s death, Turo gained custody of his son, and he was the only person that knew the truth. (Before the events of the games of course.)
Sada and Toru are indeed really sad stories, specially for the ones left behind. Arvin. Sada's and Toru's dreams are complicated, as Sada/Toru would have indeed change the entire known ecosystem of Paldea and would had accepted some destruction, in the progress of the Paradox pokemon settling in within Paldea, yet in their final moment neither Sada or Toru couldn't follow through. In the natural order the powerfull overcome the weak, yet when the aggresive second Koraidon/Miraidon attacked the more timid one (our ride pokemon) Sada/Toru jumped between them, eventhough them fighting is the natural order. Resulting in the lost of their lifes. They couldn't reverse the protection protocal put in place anymore after their passing. Other little facts are found in the journals that Sada/Toru left behind in the 4 research stations. Of their struggles reaching the bottom of the crater. Of the birth of terastilizing by using the fragments of a shell of an unknown pokemon. Of Sada/Toru's partner walking out on them and Arvin soon after Arvin's birth. Of Sada/Toru being so close to reaching their goal of being able to build a functioning time machine, if only they had another pair of hands, AKA the birth of AI Sada/ AI Toru. There are alot of interresting little things found in the crator and we're left to believe that the professors were bad, yet when it came to the creatures they summoned their natural instinct, that they would attack eachother, they changed heart.
I mean black and white was also pretty dark with their big bad,it's implied that ghetsis abused his pokemon and forced his hydragon to evolve early on top of ghetsis emotionally abusing n
Growing up both of my parents were always working. My father was in the military and my mother was a night nurse so I barely saw any of them but unlike my father. My mother would take a week out of the year to at lest take me and my sis/bro to Disneyland so when Turo told Arven "I've always loved you" that hit me harder then it would if I had played Scarlet first because of the fact that at one point of my life I'd tried really hard to get my own father to acknowledge me. Props to Nintendo/GF for turning a character I hated at the start but at the end felt a connection.
The school setting and the connection it had to the evil team of this game is pretty well written with its' realism when you learn of the origins of Team Star, how it got started, and how it became what it is at the timeline of the game.
This game story is on par with gen 5. It's a new era for Pokémon stories, and I can't wait to see more like that! (And yes, since SV is basically a new standard for a Pokémon story, this game is on par with gen 5 (both games) because of this. Gen 5 has the best story for old standards, but SV has the best (and for now only) story of this new standard).
@@TechnoArpan well, yes, I can agree. I already said my point about the new standard and what not, but to be fair gen 9 story hits harder, and I'm a little bit biased about gen 5. But both are so close to me and I like them so much might as well put them together. (Give us legends game in Unova!!! I want to see the legendary dragon!)
@@TechnoArpan I think the word you looking for is that SV Story has sort of a Matured Flavor compare to BW Angsty teenage Juvenile (Hell even Cartoonish) type of Story It's like SV has some Older Audience in Mind when it comes to Thier Story compared to BW Teenage Audience who like rebellious and angsty kind of attitude
@@squalleonkeneddyheart4191 i don't think so. I love the gen 5 story(by pokemon standards) and don't think it's as edgy as you make it out to be. It's not overly edgy, just somewhat, ehich is fine. Being edgy isn't bad, in moderation. Overly edgy would be something the "The Boys" comics. The show is great, but the comics for that suck
I’m glad they made a story for S/V, the last time we had a good/decent story was back in B/W. They did alright for US/UM but this was definitely something else
I really put myself into this game, as I played Turo and lost my dad at twelve. My only two thoughts during that segment of the game were “Oh, this feels nothing like Pokémon. That’s really cool!” And feeling bad for Arven. He had it way worse than me and I just wanted to help him.
The Pokémon devs decided to regrow the balls that they had back in Pokemon Sun and Moon🤭 and trust me they did wonderful sometimes you need a little bit of emotional damage in a video game
I got Violet, i didn't cry but goddam poor boy Arven. He said how his parent never paid any attention to him, how he had to clean and cook for himself, his doggo was the only friend and most likely only thing which kept his sanity intanct and when he suddenly and slowly was losing his friend, i can't imagine what he had to go through. That cut scene when hia doggo get's better and he rushes and slips but still crawls full force to hug his friend emotionally broke me. It is one of the best pokemon stories, i had such a fun time exploring the world and the story. It is also my first pokemon game too.
Normally both versions of the games are nearly the same thing so you'd pick them on a coin toss and not lose anything but this time i think the gen 9 story is even better in scarlet. One part because Arven looks way more like Sada than Turo, so it connects his story to the parent professor more, and the other part because the discovery of area zero and its paradoxes looks better with the past paradoxes. Imo they fit the area better than the future ones, maybe they should have make the AZ change because of the time machine too, so the future paradoxes would roam in a weird futuristic crater. In Scarlet, before you get to the bottom (pun intended) of the area zero mystery, you feel like YOU travelled in prehistoric times right from the first encounters with paradoxes, something the ones in Violet dont carry nearly as much
That is true but you must also remember the futuristic elements such as the labs and the professor actually being an AI, which fits in better with violet's future based narrative, but still either or a mother figure in this society is always going to evoke more feelings than a father figure, especially since the professors weren't deep characters all too much
It's sad that sada and turo did go insane just from her research. I hope in the dlc we can an interact with t he e professors souls with arven even though his character arc was wrapped up
So many people called it! So many people predicted that the professors would be the antagonist, but I don’t think anybody had any idea just how that would play out. I personally think Pokémon Scarlet and Violet have some of the best written characters and plot within the series. Right next to Pokémon Sun and Moon. I also loved how Team Star was handled. I thought we were getting another delinquent team that would feel like a reskin of Team Skull, just even more watered down than Team Yell was. Yet, that was not the case at all. And the whole story of this part of the game addressed a real world issue that needs resolution; the issue of school bullying. However, unlike so often in real life, the head of the school actually decided to do something about it! Top these story features off with an open world Pokemon game, and we’ve got a pair of Pokémon games that I can say are just really, really good. Of course, you do have the bugs and glitches issues. But for one thing, I personally did not run into any of these. Except for certain NPC is moving at all reframe rates. But secondly, we all adore Pokémon Red, Blue, Yellow, and they have lots of bugs too. so I’m not gonna say that these games are flawless, but they are really fun and overall good.
What really hit me during the last battle with the Paradise Protection Protocol was, for an instant while the text was gltiching, you can read "AI Sada/Turo has no intention of fighting any more!".
I think riko is ash' s sister living with her and ash ' s father in the paldea region starting her career as a pokemon trainer inspired by ash becoming the world monarch.
Straight up, pokemon SV got me to go back and grab the other pokemon games after 25 years to play. SV is by far the best story for a pokemon game I hope game freak and the pokemon company makes more like this.
being honest here, im really hyped to see how they are going to animate this in the series, with ash leaving the series and a new start made for S/V anime, i really really wanna see how they the differences between Sada and Turo and conbine it in living world of the animation
I was in tears and couldn't stop my tears from flowing as a river at the endgame. Feel sorry for Sada and Arvin. Great story but wish it dint make us all cry like a baby the way it did
I thought this game wouldn’t make me turn the eye faucets on after I helped save Mabosstiff… But then I went to Area Zero… And Arven’s perspective, when we finally think he’ll get closure, all this does is probably add more questions to the ones he already asked himself since Sada/Turo left - which will indeed go unanswered indefinitely due to their passing. Poor guy better get himself an excellent therapist with that life insurance policy. 😭 ❤💜
I love that you referenced Made in Abyss! When I first learned of Area Zero I was all “This is absolutely MiA vibes” and even more so when you got to go down.
This was one of the first times a Pokemon game actually caught me off guard. When the Prof started glitching, I was telling myself "Wouldn't it be fecked if this wasn't the real Prof but an AI instead?" Just to later yell at the game "I WAS JOKING WTF" I was so shocked they genuinely just killed off the Prof. That was a twist and a half. I haven't been this shocked since seeing the dark future in Explorers of Sky
You have no idea how long have I been waiting for you to make a video about Sada and Turo after the games were released. Personally, I think this is hands down, the best finale in any Pokémon (main series) game, dethroning Legends Arceus and Black/White.
Professor Sada and Turo were crazy if we put both games together we can say that both professors died saving Koraidon and Miradon when one got obsessed with returning to the past and the other obsessed with the future and both robo mom and died saving their son and the player by going back in the past and the future. It was crazy with Arven's story I legit was balling when I heard his backstory and it made me more motivated to get Mobastiff better weird as it sounds lol but GG Pokemon you made a grown man cry. And just to top it off, she was wayyy better than the final champion and as a final boss I thought I was going to have go start the battle over again
This vid is amazing, but while watching I was constantly thinking about the intro. Imagine if your name WAS James? I’m just imagining a dude named James jumping out of his chair thinking charusharu shouted him out 😂
I think what really got my mind rolling was the moment I got to the entrance to area zero. Where are the people? Why is nothing active or maintained this is supposed to be one of the biggest research facilities on the planet? What happened?
When I first played this section, I 100% thought they would reveal that the professor had been sucked into the time machine or something. The actual twist was a gut punch, but one thing I didn’t like was that Arven wasn’t there when it was first revealed when he really should have been. I also wasn’t a fan of Arven essentially getting salt in the wound when the director told Arven he was behind in his classes and wasn’t on track to graduate.
I've always thought that the program within the time machine eventually became corrupted without the professor knowing the full extent before making the box legendary kill her
As someone who couldn't keep in touch with father in 2020 and then lost him in the same, this storyy did hit close to hard. In Violet, seeing IA Turo saing that the real turo did love Arven and he would be proud, i was crying like a baby. To me, this one the bes storyline that pokemon made (Also counting pokemon mystery dungeon: explorers of the sky)
I think that the full story of ARven is still incomplete since we are yet to see the legendary pokemon that is resposible for terastallization, and the time machine.
Professor Sada/Turo was a flawed parent whose ambitions outgrew their scope of their capabilities and mental health, especially considering their lover abandoned them and their child. They loved Arven, they wanted to create a paradise for their family, but it all went horribly wrong and Arven was collateral damage. :( But he still persevered, and in the end he found a new family in his friends, plus his dog survived. It's tragic, but hopeful. As for the original professor's scary determination to protect their dangerous research, the AI basically received understanding of the unfortunate side effects and reservations about going through with it. "Dreamer gone mad" definitely describes the original professor: isolation, being abandoned, they couldn't even find comfort in their child and buried themselves in their goals. The AI, again, represents the part of them that knew how dangerous this was. The professor was literally of two minds about all of this. Not evil, not bad, but incredibly flawed and messed up.
Honestly, I really like the more mature themes that are appearing in Pokémon content recently. It makes the story so much more interesting rather than being puppy-guarded by the kiddy theme. It also makes the characters a lot more interesting too ( and makes up for the lack of interaction we got with the gym leaders/champions imo )
Try to keep this short, but I think that this story was incredibly worthwhile. Despite the bugs that came with it, the storytelling was spot on. Playing the game, i felt like having to hold my breath at times when I entered area zero and i was visiting the labs. I kept telling myself, "this is about to dark at any moment now...I can feel it." By the time you meet Sada, my heart broke for Arven. But somehow even he took it like a champ. good thing he was able to build up a strong circle of friends by that time.
I picked scarlet for Sada (and koraidon) and she only survives in the other version…pain. Though I’d probably be just as sad about Turo, there’s simply no winning
Damn. Poor Arven... The unbelievable damage and confusion that must've caused would be ridiculous and painful. Even more so finding out that his mom has been dead this whole time that's... Not something that you can just sweep under the rug and forget about, so easily y'know?
Something I found interesting about the text of the game, is that that the Koraidon escaped area zero after the fight that killed Sada, but that escape is shown in the introduction of the game just before Koraidon washes up on the beach before the player arrives. I don't think the professor is as long dead as we expect. I know they wording of the story suggests that but it doesn't fit with what is shown on screen. I think the AI is laying about how long ago Sada died because she clearly cares for Arven more than the real Sada did, and letting him think she died along time ago may make the neglect sting less.
Maybe in dlc the time machine could start going crazy and if you had scarlet the future Pokemon appear and if you had violet the past ones. That accident past or future could be tearing it's way into our present
When I first played this game, when I got to the reveal of the true Sada's fate, I remember thinking "That was SO much darker than I ever would have expected from a Pokemon Game."
I feel that there's more to this story, especially with that red book, there's another legendary pokemon, which I feel is more dangerous then what Sada has pulled off, and is probably the reason why Sada was so blinded in her dreams in the first place.
15:31 If yall pause at the right time though “AI Sara has no intention of fighting anymore!” Briefly appears on the little chat bar thing, that only pushes the fact she’s fighting her own programming further
I don't think a lot of people were expecting a game that runs at 9 frames a second over water, crashes to an extent that GF included a secret backup code, AND, could run better on an emulator to have a story that would make them cry and genuinely enjoy their experience more than they hated the technical issues
There’s still one thing that baffles me about how either professor is now in the past of Paldea. If the AI is now residing in the ancient world along with having either books contents accompanying them, then wouldn’t it be possible that either professor will become part of Paldea’s current history and somehow cause some kind of ripple effect?
The only other time I can think of that Pokemon has done that was this shocking in game was Sun and Moon when they Implied that Guzma's father was abusive. Not Ghetsis's just emotionally abusive but full-on golf clubbing your kid cus he only got 2nd or 3rd place in comptitions abusive and his mother let it happen. To a point Guzma returned the favor and ran away and years later formed Team Skull to give a home to kids that also had no where to go.
I have to agree splitting the narrative into three arcs is a genius way to work divide the plot in a steady way while also expanding on this world and this new region and its characters, this game alone has made probably one of my favourite cast of characters in the The series yet not the best but definitely in the top 3.
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I like to think that Sada was so obsessed with her work it drove her mad. That’s why she became delirious and thought Koraidon was actually Arven. That’s why she died saving it.
Dude thats messed up.......I LIKE YOUR THINKING
The AI’s dialogue during the final fight was actually the real Sada’s own thoughts. She was willing to kill anyone to save her work. She was _that_ mad.
@@Pine_Time I don't think so she's sacrificed herself to save korridon and and The Ai believed that arviin mother loved him...
What I find interesting that in Pokemon Violet Arvin's Mother was a deadbeat that abandoned her son and husband. In Pokemon Scarlet it's vice versa with the husband abandoning Sada and Arven.
I think that something, maybe that third legendary (or being if results to be not a pokémon but something else) that is the source of the terastal phenomenon, influenced her into madness, and that's why she went so far that not even her robotic assistand, made in her image, could predict it: She was not the same Sada anymore.
@@elpopman2055 That's exactly the point I was making though. Koraidon was the result of her time machine. Sacrificing herself to save Koraidon was saving her work.
I like how unexpectedly dark and dramatic it is. It’s not like there’s a evil villain there, but a professor that’s already dead.
there is an evil villian in the game the issue is they died to their hubris and the damage they caused is affecting everyone around them
Yeah, pretty wild stuff.
It’s like Sun and Moon’s antagonist being your friend’s drug-addicted mom. Lusamine is normally kind and loving, but the neurotoxins turn her into a completely different person.
Thing is I have hope for the dad then the mom since he went into the future, the mom went into the past if anything goes wrong she won't he fixed and we know she didn't make to the present time to warn her living self. And also the dad went into the future why didn't he try to send something to the past to warn the living dad so he can live and give the boi a parent. Feels like alot could have been done here smh.
P.s. if we seen the Iron variants and since these are "natural" in the future wth happened to the environment?!. This pretty much is foreshadowing the future games.
I lost my mother at a young age. I had no idea that this was what the story was going to unfold into when I started. By the end I was crying my eyes out. My heart went out to Arvin. This game had such impactful storytelling and it culminated into something personal, real (as far as “real” can be for Pokémon), and deep. I also had mad respect for everyone’s reactions with him to it all. They didn’t coddle him or treat him any different. They gave him an opportunity to grieve and they were his friends every step afterwards.
I’ll also say this: I’ve never been of an opinion about Pokémon and voice acting, but holy shit this would have been the game to do it and I’m just waiting for whoever’s brave enough and patient enough to dub over the dialogue. I’ll be ready to cry once more.
I had the same experience, but it was my father who passed when I was young. Also I was playing Violet, so it just hit me harder than it would if I was playing Scarlet.
Literally same for me
Really deep stuff they put together here - and yeah, voice acting would be great in these situations. :)
There are some videos of people dubbing over cutscenes.
I relate to arven a lot I don’t know who my father is and my mother never played with me when I was a kid
Arven has to be one of if not the most tragic pokemon character.
N was lied to basically his entire life but at least he seemed satisfied leaving with his dragon. Gladion and Lillie at least ended up being happy with the outcome of everything that happened in sun and moon.
But DAMN bro. What the hell was Arven left with? Basically nothing. He had his childhood taken from him, his dog almost died, he was forced to take care of the thing that took his parent's attention, and after years without even seeing his parent, the moment he finally does, it's not even his parent, but an AI of his parent! And then he finds out that his real parent has died. And to make things worse, the AI couldn't even stay with him and left to go to the past/future. Man was literally left with nothing. At least he got his dog.
Hopefully our character gets to stay with him and look after him, well thats at least what i like to think
Actually he's left with one thing. . . Friends (Cliche and cheesy i know but still)
And any time you can make N of all people look like he had a better life by comparison, you know it's awful.
@@fireemblemheroescuzynot9625 In this case I can actually buy it. And you know why? *Because you as the player were actually a part of it.* It would be one thing if it was all completely offscreen, but it wasn't. Penny, Arven, and Nemona. All three of them were crucial parts of the journey from the very beginning, and we got to interact with them all throughout it. And then when it's finally time for *all* of them to help you traverse the final area (you're actually traveling *together* for once instead of the NPC's just going on ahead), and they're all steadily telling each other about their backgrounds, fighting together against the Paradox mons, as they finally solve the mystery, *you can just FEEL the comradery of it all.* And I love that in storytelling. So, you're right. The power of friendship is a cliche trope. But when it's done right, especially when it's got *Fire-Forged Friends* as an underlying basis, it works wonders.
Honestly, Sada/Turo being an AI backup kinda killed that aspect of Arven's story for me. My best friend has a mother I've never met and a piece of shit dad, and I've known him my entire life. If Sada/Turo had actually still been alive and just abandoned Arven, it would have been a lot more relatable to me, not to mention a lot darker in tone
In the research labs, you can read Sada/Turo’s journals. One of them mentions that the man/woman partner that was working with them left shortly after the child was born. They’re quite interesting. There’s at least one in each research lab
So were they together and one leaves for whatever reason? I always thought something happened to the other professor
@@lightdarksoul2097 it implies that the one that’s not in the game left the other due to difference in opinion shortly after Arven was born. The professor needing help after that is what made them make the AI
@@slaps1455 if anything it means Arven has 2 bad parents, sure one never knew in the long run what happened, also wait the opposite parent left when he was born, hm wow so the other parent never knew how far down the deep end the opposite one went, and either did so as well or say their counterpart basically go crazy and mellowed out.
It will be cool if they tie it together with some kind of paradox in the DLC
@@charusharu I really hope they do tie it together! It would be cool if we have an older Turo/Sada (the one that didn’t make an AI of themselves in their respective games) that comes looking for Arven after all of this time
I'm aware that it's probably just a coincidence and nothing intentional, but I have witnessed this both in my own playthrough as well as in a lot of videos online. Despite warning us that her battling abilities are peerless, the AI makes some extremely illogical decisions during the first battle with the Paradox Pokémon, like using ground type moves against flying types, switching in Pokémon that are weak to the one on the field and so on. Like the briefly glitched-out text at the beginning of the second battle ("AI Sada has no intention on fighting any more"), I believed this to be another instance of the AI desperately trying to fight through her own programming to make it possible for the player to stop her.
That's a good way of looking at it! :)
No gamefreak just shit at programming. Stop overthinking this deep as puddle games.
I didn’t have that luck with Turo…I had to face his last Pokémon with only my Gyarados…but I was able to one-shot it
when playing violet, iron bundle used ‘snowscape’ FIVE turns in a row, and the rest of the time kept using rather weak moves. i couldn’t believe how fortunate i was. i got to heal my entire party back from the brink of annihilation and that turned the tide. i would’ve been defeated on only his third pokémon if he hadn’t been so foolish. or, perhaps merciful, like you said. yeah i’m gonna go ahead and incorporate that into my headcanons list
@@WorldWeave let me guess, you ran out of revives.
I played Violet so instead of Sada, I got Turo. What’s really sad is it’s pretty clear that the other professor is the other parent and if you read the journals in research lab 4, you find out that they have vanished. Hence why Arven is even more alone.
As someone who is very close with my dad, I cried like a baby at the end with Turo. It’s so sad knowing your parent died even more so because they let their ambition take over.
Also I’m hoping one day xD my name would be said in the intro haha i know it’s random but I’ll keep an eye for it
It is sad - and it would be cool if the DLC explores that relationship!
Glad you had a similar experience - it hits hard, that's for sure. ;-;
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I loved this storyline. They had me crying with him trying to save his only friend, then they gave him hope, only for it be dashed as the ghost of his mother tries to kill him. But, his friends give him a chance to mourn. And that’s beautiful, having recently lost a loved one myself.
Sorry to hear of your loss. The story definitely hit deeply - poor Arven. ;-;
Sorry to hear of your loss. And honestly when his story was shown trying to help his buddy I went full on that path. Then as I went down reading the journals I feared she was trapped in the past or gone after lab 4. Then penny and star road I at first rolled my eyes when I heard of them but then as we learned more I was all on their side too. I legit think the thing that made the Crystal's in the dlc is a monster that stole their freedom and sanity.
@@kanevivi Just stumbling onto this comment, it's quite funny now knowing what this crystal monster presumably looks like~
This plotline hurt. Arven didn't get the closure he wanted from his Prof parent, but from the A.I. that had a fragment of them. The A.I. was more of a parent to him than his actual parent who died a few years back and it even tried to stop the ambition that would've cost Paldeia's safety. Poor Arven. He had one tragedy after another and seeing him succeed in his primary objective brought tears to my eyes from the emotional seen.😭
Also worth noting that fan favorite characters Larry and Grusha have both had their dreams lost. Grusha actively tries to show a harsh reality to the player while Larry tries to show how uncaring it is.
What I find interesting about Larry is that he encourages you to do what you desire since one day you wont be able to.
@@julianpradarodriguez7336 and Grusha warns you to not be overconfident/too ambitious
There is something up with Geeta. I’m pretty sure the only reason why she has Glimmora, a hazard-based pokemon, as her ace when you’ve already beat the rest of her team, is because the designers explicitly wanted you to know that there is some sort of connection between her and Area Zero. Geeta taking away the dreams and ambitions of others would definitely be in line with this theory as well!
Now that you mention Grusha there was one NPC who said he was in some sort of accident from what I can remember 🤔. To me it felt like Grusha was still a bit bitter about how his dream ultimately ended. But I do see him trying to warn the player to not get too cocky so to speak. While Larry bless his heart seemed to be crushed by the weight of life. Makes me wonder what dreams and aspirations he had in his youth. Whatever they were it obviously didn't pan out the way he wanted. And now he is just a "Salary Man". Out of all the gym leaders these two stick out the most to me.
I was not prepared for a Pokemon game that made me cry. This was hands-down THE BEST Pokemon game story I've ever experienced.
This is correct . This game is amazing
I know but my FRIEND who hasn’t played it doesnt believe me
Same, I cried and was like "wait? I'm crying to a pokemon game? Damn! *cries more*"
@@RaiginAnimator Friends don't let friends not play amazing Pokemon games. Lol. Maybe they need some kind of incentive to play? Like a friendly challenge?
@@suicune2001 You might be right after all we are good friends plus I bet he can’t beat the Ai Sada boss with no items
One thing that makes Sada hit harder for me is that she's going to the ancient past, potentially before humans, so its entirely possible she's going to be alone. Assuming her power doesn't die out instantly and she can recharge from solar power or something, she could be completely alone for centuries... Meanwhile assuming humanity hasnt all died Turo's probably just chilling in a hover jet checking out the future
Unfortunately the future can be just as bleak... Eras only come to an end after a mass extinction occurs so if he's traveling beyond the current era the world may be overrun by things that aren't human at all, with humans having died out long ago. Its eerie to think about...
Hmm, that is an interesting point. Would you rather be in a world which has yet to even produce things that are even closely human and you yourself will inevitably become the presents history, or be in a world where humans have long since died out and now you must deal with the consequences of an entire dead dominant species. The game is fantastic and each option has its own horror to explore, makes me wanna write a book!
Nah, either way the Time Machine isn’t there so Turo probably suffers the same fate. Actually saw a fanfic recently of that with ai Turo XD very bittersweet short
i would only assume, from the Future paradox dex that the Future looks dead. since it's explained that, before all pokemon went extinct- in an attempt to save them, they created Cyborg pokemon. so it's likely very dangerous and filled with the smell of death, whilst the Past is an ancient paradise. of course it's also going to be pretty dangerous since Dinosaurs will murder you so Ancient pokemon will do the same. all i'm saying is they're equally dangerous and alone
I figure with AI Sada, the Tera Crystals that bonded to her when Paradise took over can give her enough juice to keep herself going.
I have a feeling when the tv show comes around to the latest Gen 9 games it’ll actually merge the stories! Professor Sada and Turo are actually married! And if you played the game and know where the story ends and how you felt for Arvin then you’ll feel even worse knowing how this one will end if they do merge the game story into one 😢
That would be really cool! It would be neat if they explored a Professor Sada x Turo relationship in Scarlet and Violet's DLC too. :)
@@charusharu that would mean the other version's professor would need to show up or be talked about which I can't really see happening
@@Lightstation_ you cant
I’m most excited to see it voice acted, it could give so much emotion to the characters
i'd LOVE that... btu sadly, ever since Journeys they haven't added the majority of the actual game itself into part of the Anime. it looks like Nemona isn't the protags rival, but instead some rando purple haired dude with a black glove (hinting at the elite four gloves) but i REALLY hope they find a way to include them in.
One of the details that bother me most is the fact that the professor made it so the failsafe to turn off the time machine actually triggers a self defense program, and how do you use the failsafe? You need the professor's journal, that Arven has, that the professor would know Arven has.
They made a fake failsafe that goes hostile knowing that the only person able to activate it in the first place is their son.
The prof. wouldn't know that Arven has it because from what we know, Arven took it from the lab after Sada/Turo left. That's why the AI thinks the book is in the lab
This endgame MADE the game. I would argue it's the best story overall or at least neck and neck with Black and White.
It was good - enjoyed BW a lot too!
This story is also notable in that it's perhaps the first time that I can recall wherein the games themselves a person dies from being attacked by a pokemon. This combined with PLA emphasizing the deadly risk of it all is a real tonal shift from the past, one that I personally like. Pokemon, being magical creatures, would obviously be immensely dangerous and it has always been heavily implied they hold back in a lot of scenarios.
If you didnt play it then I'm sorry but Legends Arceus is based on the fact Pokemon can hurt/kill people (the boss of team galaxy had his entire village destroyed by pokemon, snorlax eating entire food storages counted among grave disasters etc)
Brutal pokemon murder has been around since Gen 3 where the big lizard/fish tried to dehydrate/drown everyone to death, but PLA and SV are the first times it was particularly explicit about pokemon murdering humans
@@crescent_sun482 The pokemon didn't murder the humans, two legendary pokemon got in a territory battle to see which on would rule the area. The professors got between them and that action got them killed. They got killed by indirect action, not by the pokemon intentional killing them. You see this happens all the time in nature and why zookeepers never get between two animals fighting because they end up being injured or killed.
I absolutely loved this story--Hell, the entire game! When I got down to Area Zero and saw Avren, Nemona & Penny following behind my character--I LOST MY SHIT! (Been wanting something like that since Pokémon Colosseum). The theme in Area Zero I fell in love with immediately. Traveling to the four research facilities, the interactions between my friends and reading the open journals left behind was giving away something dark... then upon reaching the 4th research facility and so on--everything was just dark and even more epic from that point on. Now I just want to play Violet for the story after beating Scarlet.
It was a blast! Enjoyed reading those journals, too.
They even talk to each other after each research facility that you get to! They talk while they follow you. Apparently Nemona's father helped create the Rotom Phone, or something like that.
@@HazbinCovenWitch YES! I loved how they just talked as we traveled. I was like: "I need more of this". Honestly, I hope they add a feature where you have the option to travel with all 3 characters upon visiting their dorms and asking them. You can disperse your friends back at the school, giving you the option to still travel alone or with a party.
I would love to travel with the 4 of them riding Koraidon/Miraidon. The 3 of them running with you in the fields. Selecting one of your friends to battle in wild/double battles with you. Raid battles with the 3 of them. The possibilities are endless.
I truly enjoyed this game. Friends with the Champion of the region, the regional professor's kid and the boss of Team Star. Quite the line up of friends. And I love each of them.
Seeing the three of them talk to each other like real people, and having pretty realistic interactions…
I felt like they were really my friends.
I was on the brink of tears, but also laughter at the same time.
I have my personal gripes with Nemona and Penny, Arven alone makes this game the way it is.
I felt Arven’s pain, in fact I literally went through bathing my dog one day… for the next day him dying in his sleep. So Arven hits too close to my personal vicinity, that I feel his soul in mine.
Just imagine the combo result of Scarlet and Violet, it means that Arven lost both parents. That and Double Battle both of them.
That would be pretty devastating for our man Arven lol.
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That’s how it will probably play out in the Pokémon anime. The Pokémon anime usually tries to combine the aspects of both versions. It’ll be interesting to see how Liko and Roy tackle AI Sada and Turo.
Assuming this is an adaptation of the games and not Journeys 2.0 with defeating an adult Ash in the World Coronation being Liko’s goal as s Pokemon Trainer. But even if it is, I still think we will have some Pokémon Scarlet and Violet aspects to the anime, just as we had some Sword and Shield aspect to Pokémon Journeys (e.g The Darkest Day arc).
One thing I saw mentioned is that AI Sada not being able to agree with Sada's vision can be viewed as retrospect, which is another past vs future theme. It could be that the real Sada would too, in time, have come to the realization that her dream was too reckless and wouldn't work as planned, but she passed away before she could reach that point, leaving her time machine/dream to run unchecked. While she seemed very devoted to protecting the time machine, which is kinda understandable since life's work and also a time machine, things honestly didn't seem to be that bad. It was more of the potential and likely future of Paldea being overrun by Paradox Pokemon that was the issue if the time machine was left to run. But if the real Sada was still around, she may not have left it get that far, especially after the Paradox Titan escaped.
Also, another thing that is easy to miss is that the AI Professor kind of dies too. They talk about going to the past/future to have their own adventure and be free, but just a few minutes prior they mentioned the reason they were bound to lab in Area Zero is because they need the crystals down there to function. So if they were sent to the far past/future, either the crystals wouldn't be there and the AI would cease to function or the crystals are there and they are still stuck in the same area. So yah... Definitely a far darker and deeper story than I was expecting from a Pokemon game.
I still think there's more to Geeta. The way Nemona commented how Glimmora, Geeta's ace is from Area Zero which means she knows what was happening there and kept tight lip about it.
the thing is, I know why they made Glimmora Geeta's ace, it's from area zero so they made it come last, but it's an awful ace. It makes a better setup Pokemon being able to learn stealth rock without a TM, and having toxic debris as it's ability to get the poison spikes in, and even if it doesn't get hit by a physical move it will still be able to get spikes in because it can also learn the move that sets it up.
To be fair. Glimmets can be found in Alfornada Cavern. Glimmoras are native to area zero but the pre evolution could still have been caught elsewhere.
@theone.whoasked has she just switched the first and last pokemon, her team would be so much better
The final battle screwed with me so much because the imagery of the glitched out twitchy AI is not only unsettling to witness after all these years of the Professors being generally lovely, but it's straight up *morbid* when you realize the AI is essentially Sada/Turo's personality before becoming consumed by their dreams of "Paradise". So not only do we have to process the plot twist of a main character being dead (+ all the implications this carries for story stuff), we're made to basically witness the steps by which this happened in rapid succession as we see the AI switch from normal Professor, to madness, then back again. It felt like the final switch back was symbolizing the regret Sada/Turo likely held deep down inside as their life flashed before their eyes at the time of dying... while the forming tera crystals/damaged body + decision to leave to the past/future were reminding us of the fact that the Professor was too far gone and nothing could have been done to change things. They are truly, 100% *gone*. Or at least that's how it felt for me in that moment for me.
Regardless of what our personal take aways are from the story, it's safe to say this was an amazing conclusion and Gamefreak truly outdid themselves here!
I really can't decide how I feel about the original Sada/Turo. The AI shares her memories, but is still a separate being. Can one really code their own mind? I like to think that AI Sada is her own entity, just incredibly similar to the original Sada.
I can believe that Sada THOUGHT she loved her son, but her actions were still hurtful and traumatic for Arven. At the end of the day, that's neglect. He had no one (Mabosstiff is wonderful but it sadly doesn't count as a parental figure). We don't really know much about HER, only her AI. One could make a case that AI Sada is an idealized version of her even. Who would want to immortalize the bad parts of themself? She could've been so far into her work that she didn't even realize what she was doing, or she could've been so busy because she didn't care enough to add Arven into her schedule, or she could've been so wrapped up because she wanted to make the world safer for him, or show him the results to make him proud. We have no idea. We also can't say that AI Sada is an accurate reflection of her either. Anything she says to Arven at the end of the game is not a thought the original Sada had and we can't prove that the original Sada did have that same thought during her lifetime.
At the end of the day, Arven suffered because of her neglect, intentional or not. I can't say she's evil. We have no idea how much of that programming was her intention, the AI, or the Paradise Protection Protocol gone awry. What we can say is that she failed as a mother.
There's a theory that the Tera crystals may have affected her mind, driving her almost insane. The desire to work on the time machine wasn't entirely her own, it could have been influenced by the crystals. Since AI Sada wasn't organic, the crystals didn't affect her in the same way. If the theory is true, she, programmed using the real Prof Sada's memories as her basis, gives us the closest understanding of Sada's true thoughts, free from the effects of the Tera crystals. I'd like to believe the real Sada would be proud of Arven, were she not consumed by the influence of the crystals. I think it makes it even more tragic of a story, ngl, especially with what I saw in another comment saying she threw herself in front of the weaker Koraidon because she thought it was Arven. There could have been a good mother in there, but it was doomed to stay trapped within the depths of her mind.
She did love Arven but that doesn't change the fact that she was a bad parent
9:08 When you take into account that Koraidon escaped only at the very beginning of the game, that would mean that Sada had only recently been killed. She really was just that neglectful of a parent.
The lizard that kills them isn't the one we're riding, though.
@@TDLBallistic the one we ride likely escaped right after professor sacrificed herself. The other koraidon was about to you know what it
Never really confirmed that the "territorial fight" was the one that killed Sada, Arven said that she stopped contacting him years ago which could either mean she died and stopped contacting him or she was that neglectful to the point she forgot about her own son
Most likely she died in another battle because the crystals have seemed to grow over time and AI Sada would have mentioned something about her dying shortly before she contacted you the player. The territorial fight happened after her death perhaps because of the other Koraidon blaming our Koraidon for Sada's death or truly just a territorial fight which caused Koraidon to flee Area Zero
Sorry to make that comment really long, I just like to dig into lore a lot
@@sneakysnuko7725 it's heavily implied that the aggressive Koraidon/Miraidon kills Avren's mom/dad because it was the 2nd thing they brought through.
@@TDLBallistic That’s not enough proof for it to be “heavily implied” because although it is the 2nd one they brought, they never implied anything about Koraidon/Miraidon doing it. The territorial fight took place the night before we start the game hence Koraidon/Miraidon fleeing Area Zero. AI Sada/Turo says that Arven’s real mom/dad truly loved him which is why they they sent him letters but a few years ago they stopped implying that Sada/Turo died. That last sentence alone proves my theory a lot. Even more proof is that the lab looks abandoned and destroyed and I don’t think real Sada/Turo would leave it like that if they were alive. Research Station No. 4 looks to be abandoned and destroyed a long time ago plus I don’t think large tera crystals can grow in a matter of weeks or the amount of time you spent on your journey. AI Sada/Turo wouldn’t just call some 10 - 11 year old to fix their problem right after real Sada/Turo died but they would probably take some time to shift to being alone and no human to control them.
Most of these I stated in my og reply.
Pokemon often tell stories about parents and kids. We have Silver, Brendan/May, N, Lilly and now Arven. They are diffrent but always showing strugglin relationships between them.
A great theme in the games - I particularly liked the Ruby / Norman relationship in the Pokemon Adventures manga.
The way I gasped upon learning Sada was dead the whole time. I never in a million years expected a storyline like this out of pokemon.
I find it interesting that in the end you’re effectively fighting the ghost of the Professors who developed psychopathic tendencies late in their lives.
edit: And if you think that they weren’t psychopaths, remember that they created a failsafe program designed to kill whoever turns the Time Machine off.
They were definitely bonkers - the (double) failsafe at the end was really something.
I think that was the insanity that takes them. Even the ai was shocked. But when they get beat they have a moment of clarity and speak to arven as the old one's feelings as a parent. But the crystal took them from fascination and research to insanity.
I think that something, maybe that third legendary (or that being if results to be not a pokémon but something else) that is the source of the terastal phenomenon, influenced her into madness, and that's why she went so far that not even her robotic assistant, made in her image, could predict it: She was not the same Sada anymore.
That would be cool - maybe we'll hear something like that in the DLC.
I gotta say I really hate this theory. Not because it's impossible, but because it really IS and would dampen the impact that Sada had on me immensely.
I got Pokémon Violet, so for me it was Prof. Turo, but I must say, the entire story of Pokémon S/V is so intriguing, especially “Path of Legends” and believe me, when I reached Area Zero, my jaw dropped, I was so blown away by it! And as someone who has a very caring father and mother, the entire Prof. Turo thing actually had me crying… if I were to lose either or both of my parents, I’d fall apart…
Also on a different note and game, can we all agree that the exile portion of Legends: Arceus was really good at tugging on your heartstrings? Kinda like the Mystery Dungeon series?
Ngl I cried when the player got exiled in PLA. I was just really happy with the 'found family' aspect the game had, intentional or not. So when it was revealed that the dude(I can't remember his name) never fully trusted you, and blames you for everything bad that's happened, despite being the one that stopped it... Yeah, that hurts. Worst part is that you can be mad at him without thinking he's an idiot for exiling you. I mean yeah, if some person fell out of the sky around the same time these Pokemon go rogue, I'd be hella suspicious too. But I loved that you had characters like the Guild leaders, Rei or Akari (depending on which you played as), Cyllene, and even motherfucking Volo(who was only helping you for his own personal gain, but you don't know that yet), and the professor(I can't remember his name either) help you from the 'shadows,' so to speak.
tl;dr - PLA is a great game and it made me cry over found family tropes.
@@jjrays9913 PREACH IT!! 🥹💔
Sada kinda reminds me of Lusamine in way. Lusamine was distraught after her husband (Mohn) got sucked into a portal (Which ended up being PokePelago) and she threw herself into her work about portals/wormholes to get him back. But then she encountered Niliego. An Ultra Beast that fed on Lusamine and (in a sense) took control of her. Her ambition to find her husband was lost and instead replaced with the need to open those wormholes to Ultra Space and basically abandon her children _for_ the Ultra Beast Niliego.
Basically both Sada (the real one) and Lusamine, were both consumed by their ambition that got corrupted/twisted in some way.
I think something might have corrupted Sada as well in way. She had _some_ form of consciousness of what she doing. But like you said, it's like her _ambition_ took control of her.
Quickly took a top 3 spot for my favorite game. I haven’t paid attention to a Pokémon game’s story in over a decade and this one dropped my jaw and brought tears to my eyes repeatedly
Definitely. I didnt enjoy sword/sh at all, sun/m had potential but the cutscenes killed it for me, XY was too easy. Best main series since the DS
@Hamza yes since the protagonist was this the whole game: 😀
Both of the professors ambitions are scary if you think about it. Like they both went as far to make these elaborate plans for even after their deaths.
Makes me think; that both of the professors in their prospective games are going after their partner who gotten in the time machine to the past/future. And that’s why the prof is so obsessed with getting the time machine to work. I know it wasn’t in the games but that’s my reason for why the other prof isn’t in opposite game of each other lol
As someone who is a mommy,s boy this one hit me hard but funny enough I was playing my mom's scarlet version when I got misty eyes
Yeah both stories can hit harder. A mother who lost herself in her work but truly loved her son and wanted him to see a past world, and a father who was all that son had left but he left him in search of the future
I must say that I agreed that this is the best story they ever made, so inspiring
They did well :)
I wonder do with the new anime having a new protagonist . Maybe this is sign for a bit more darker story telling in Pokemon both in anime and game to come.
We will just have to wait and see.
I was actually emotionally invested in the game, and all three(technically 4) stories too. I loved all three of the companion characters, among which Nemona is my fav but Arven and Penny are great too. Wasn't expecting it, but Clavell is amazing. The e4 feels like a little found family, my fav e4. Geeta's team sucks but is an intriguing character. Most of the gym leaders are great. The teachers are entertaining.
They just hit the jackpot with the characters and story this gen, really enjoyed gameplay too. If only there weren't so many performance issues........ and voice acting, the cutscenes really needed voice acting
I don't know about voice acting. It can really make or break an experience.
@@suicune2001 true, but the cutscenes just felt empty without it, y'know?
@@TechnoArpan I can see where you're coming from but I'd worry GameFreak would go hammy or cartoony with the voices. It would clash with the tone and just ruin it.
On the other hand, if they did masterful work with it, especially when she was all glitchy, it could have been bone-chilling.
Too bad the Champion didn't feel all that challenging.
@@thatman666 Depends. Geeta did get done dirty but uh.... I went in at lvl 54ish and used two torch songs on her Espathra(somehow missed it's ability) and almost got sweeped. Either way, her team order and composition are shitty but atleast Nemona has a good team. I would like to say, I was doing no items, including held items since I believed that'd be fair, considering NPCs don't have held items or use items in battle. And I was also playing with self imposed set mode.
I was like lvl 55ish first time into the Nemona battle, lost twice. Almost got her the third time but her Quaqaval swept me so finally I switched up the team to counter her and win. Had tons of fun with that battle
To stick to the Made in Abyss similarities, original Sada's character is very similar to Bondrewd (Made in Abyss spoilers for Dawn of the Soul ahead, beware). Bondrewd, like Sada, was blinded by ambition. He wanted to desperately find a way for humans to be able to ascend the Abyss, which curses anyone who attempts to ascend back up from the depth, with the effects being much worse the deeper down you ascend from. He eventually came to know that he had to abandon a sense of reality, the one he would have had back in Orth at the surface, and this was seen by him completely losing his humanity: white whistles gain their whistles by sacrificing one that is dearest to them, but Bondrewd managed to do so by quite literally sacrificing himself, using a relic to keep himself alive, and essentially immortal. This man is no longer human, he has gone beyond the "original" Bondrewd (like AI Sada surviving Sada), can just switch hosts if his current host gets compromised. Under this form, he could experience in depth the effects of the curse (and blessing) of the Abyss, in fact discovering (after using that funny elevator on orphaned kids from the surface) that the key to surviving the Abyss and getting blessed is love, true actual love for the one person you hold the most to (proven by the experiment done on Mitty and Nanachi).
Both Sada and Bondrewd also had a love for their child. Bondrewd adopted Prushka and quite literally raised her, with genuine love and care. But this is where Sada and Bondrewd diverge: Sada loved her son so much he wanted to protect him from the truth of the Crater, so she shoved him away. Bondrewd loved his daughter so much, it enabled him to exploit the truth of the Abyss, so he quite literally used her, turned her into a funny little cartridge that he could use to survive the curse of the Abyss. But in the end, both have hurt their children through love because of their blindness by ambition, which goes to show that ambition can get in the way of your senses and the people around you.
Arven wanting to find his mother deep in the Crater is also a very similar premise to Riko's longing to find her mother deep in the Abyss, though such a plot can be easily found at random, it's some sort of trope. The Area Zero theme however gives off a lot of Made in Abyss vibe, and let's not forget how the area itself has the same ethereal, "beautiful but cruel" atmosphere to it, with surprising but dangerous creatures in it. Even some "non-Crater" Pokemon like Tinkaton and Orthworm have a lot of similarity to some MiA aspects: Tinkaton's hammer has a similar theme and design to relics or general raider tools in MiA, such as that exploding pickaxe Riko gets her hands on, and Orthworm looks very similar to a Splitjaw in terms of color, and even his name has "Orth" in it, like the city that sits upon the rims of the Abyss, though it could be a way to combine "Ore" and "Earth", though (its Japanese name is Mimizuzu so there isn't really anything MiA in its true name).
But it wouldn't be surprising if they took inspiration from Made in Abyss. Season 2 recently is considered among the best in 2022, and in general the story and worldbuilding is just utterly beautiful. But it's unfortunate that the author gives off a lot of p**o vibes and pretty much draws l*li kinks on the back covers, let alone draw the characters in very weird situations here and there despite being literal children :/
i love MiA but its a sick and twisted anime compared to the innocent Pokemon but yeah Area Zero has a lot of Abyss vibes.
Best storyline in a main pokemon game in a long time.
One thing I do like to think / theorize is (and while it doesn't excuse what the parent did/the neglect) is that Arven simply states having no memory of them which means it's quite possible at the very least he was at least looked after by his parent when he was you know a wee small baby before he'd even be old enough to have memories- and was only as he got older that unfortunately they started to drift away leaving Mabostiff to watch over him (plus you know the fact that they actually died leaving only an android around anyway
tbh arguably Prof's s/o is even worse choosing to dip out on them after they had a child- and I guess not even caring enough to take Arven with them either
The fact that the android's pokeball throwing animation is it casually dropping Master Balls in a dominating pose is a chilling yet effective detail.
Haven't had a game mess me up this bad emotionally in a long time. I went from not really vibing with Arven at the beginning to him possibly being my new all time favorite Pokémon character.
(Scarlet Exclusive)
Theory: Sada and Turo both exist, and are both Arven’s parents. But due to Sada’s neglecting Arven, they divorced. After Sada’s death, Turo gained custody of his son, and he was the only person that knew the truth. (Before the events of the games of course.)
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"Past versus present, dreams versus reality, and the creators will versus the creators scheme"
Why does this hit so HARD
Sada and Toru are indeed really sad stories, specially for the ones left behind. Arvin.
Sada's and Toru's dreams are complicated, as Sada/Toru would have indeed change the entire known ecosystem of Paldea and would had accepted some destruction, in the progress of the Paradox pokemon settling in within Paldea, yet in their final moment neither Sada or Toru couldn't follow through.
In the natural order the powerfull overcome the weak, yet when the aggresive second Koraidon/Miraidon attacked the more timid one (our ride pokemon) Sada/Toru jumped between them, eventhough them fighting is the natural order. Resulting in the lost of their lifes. They couldn't reverse the protection protocal put in place anymore after their passing.
Other little facts are found in the journals that Sada/Toru left behind in the 4 research stations. Of their struggles reaching the bottom of the crater. Of the birth of terastilizing by using the fragments of a shell of an unknown pokemon. Of Sada/Toru's partner walking out on them and Arvin soon after Arvin's birth. Of Sada/Toru being so close to reaching their goal of being able to build a functioning time machine, if only they had another pair of hands, AKA the birth of AI Sada/ AI Toru.
There are alot of interresting little things found in the crator and we're left to believe that the professors were bad, yet when it came to the creatures they summoned their natural instinct, that they would attack eachother, they changed heart.
I mean black and white was also pretty dark with their big bad,it's implied that ghetsis abused his pokemon and forced his hydragon to evolve early on top of ghetsis emotionally abusing n
Growing up both of my parents were always working. My father was in the military and my mother was a night nurse so I barely saw any of them but unlike my father. My mother would take a week out of the year to at lest take me and my sis/bro to Disneyland so when Turo told Arven "I've always loved you" that hit me harder then it would if I had played Scarlet first because of the fact that at one point of my life I'd tried really hard to get my own father to acknowledge me. Props to Nintendo/GF for turning a character I hated at the start but at the end felt a connection.
The school setting and the connection it had to the evil team of this game is pretty well written with its' realism when you learn of the origins of Team Star, how it got started, and how it became what it is at the timeline of the game.
This game story is on par with gen 5. It's a new era for Pokémon stories, and I can't wait to see more like that!
(And yes, since SV is basically a new standard for a Pokémon story, this game is on par with gen 5 (both games) because of this. Gen 5 has the best story for old standards, but SV has the best (and for now only) story of this new standard).
Honestly, feel like gen 9 hits the story beats better than gen 5. While I like gen 5's story, I was much more emotionally engaged in the SV story
They did a good job for sure!
@@TechnoArpan well, yes, I can agree. I already said my point about the new standard and what not, but to be fair gen 9 story hits harder, and I'm a little bit biased about gen 5. But both are so close to me and I like them so much might as well put them together.
(Give us legends game in Unova!!! I want to see the legendary dragon!)
@@TechnoArpan I think the word you looking for is that SV Story has sort of a Matured Flavor compare to BW Angsty teenage Juvenile (Hell even Cartoonish) type of Story
It's like SV has some Older Audience in Mind when it comes to Thier Story compared to BW Teenage Audience who like rebellious and angsty kind of attitude
@@squalleonkeneddyheart4191 i don't think so. I love the gen 5 story(by pokemon standards) and don't think it's as edgy as you make it out to be. It's not overly edgy, just somewhat, ehich is fine. Being edgy isn't bad, in moderation.
Overly edgy would be something the "The Boys" comics. The show is great, but the comics for that suck
I was 1000000% NOT prepared for the twist. I nearly cried.
I’m glad they made a story for S/V, the last time we had a good/decent story was back in B/W. They did alright for US/UM but this was definitely something else
Yeah, they did well this time. Hope the future games continue this trend.
Sun and Moon’s story was pretty good! They nerfd and heavily watered down/ruined the story in ultra sun and ultra moon
I really put myself into this game, as I played Turo and lost my dad at twelve. My only two thoughts during that segment of the game were “Oh, this feels nothing like Pokémon. That’s really cool!” And feeling bad for Arven. He had it way worse than me and I just wanted to help him.
The Pokémon devs decided to regrow the balls that they had back in Pokemon Sun and Moon🤭 and trust me they did wonderful sometimes you need a little bit of emotional damage in a video game
Yes, the heavy storylines are where it's at!
It's the pokemon cycles. They dropped the balls as soon as they regrowed it.
@@haroldnecmann7040 XD
I got Violet, i didn't cry but goddam poor boy Arven. He said how his parent never paid any attention to him, how he had to clean and cook for himself, his doggo was the only friend and most likely only thing which kept his sanity intanct and when he suddenly and slowly was losing his friend, i can't imagine what he had to go through. That cut scene when hia doggo get's better and he rushes and slips but still crawls full force to hug his friend emotionally broke me. It is one of the best pokemon stories, i had such a fun time exploring the world and the story.
It is also my first pokemon game too.
Normally both versions of the games are nearly the same thing so you'd pick them on a coin toss and not lose anything but this time i think the gen 9 story is even better in scarlet.
One part because Arven looks way more like Sada than Turo, so it connects his story to the parent professor more, and the other part because the discovery of area zero and its paradoxes looks better with the past paradoxes.
Imo they fit the area better than the future ones, maybe they should have make the AZ change because of the time machine too, so the future paradoxes would roam in a weird futuristic crater.
In Scarlet, before you get to the bottom (pun intended) of the area zero mystery, you feel like YOU travelled in prehistoric times right from the first encounters with paradoxes, something the ones in Violet dont carry nearly as much
That is true but you must also remember the futuristic elements such as the labs and the professor actually being an AI, which fits in better with violet's future based narrative, but still either or a mother figure in this society is always going to evoke more feelings than a father figure, especially since the professors weren't deep characters all too much
Mommy and Daddy issues was given whole new meaning in this one.
*Lillie and Gladion sits next to Arven* Welcome to the club… Mother with unchecked dream and desire for beauty?
It's sad that sada and turo did go insane just from her research. I hope in the dlc we can an interact with t he e professors souls with arven even though his character arc was wrapped up
I hope so too!
Dlc already move on to something new. Keep dreaming
So many people called it! So many people predicted that the professors would be the antagonist, but I don’t think anybody had any idea just how that would play out. I personally think Pokémon Scarlet and Violet have some of the best written characters and plot within the series. Right next to Pokémon Sun and Moon.
I also loved how Team Star was handled. I thought we were getting another delinquent team that would feel like a reskin of Team Skull, just even more watered down than Team Yell was. Yet, that was not the case at all. And the whole story of this part of the game addressed a real world issue that needs resolution; the issue of school bullying. However, unlike so often in real life, the head of the school actually decided to do something about it!
Top these story features off with an open world Pokemon game, and we’ve got a pair of Pokémon games that I can say are just really, really good.
Of course, you do have the bugs and glitches issues. But for one thing, I personally did not run into any of these. Except for certain NPC is moving at all reframe rates. But secondly, we all adore Pokémon Red, Blue, Yellow, and they have lots of bugs too. so I’m not gonna say that these games are flawless, but they are really fun and overall good.
What really hit me during the last battle with the Paradise Protection Protocol was, for an instant while the text was gltiching, you can read "AI Sada/Turo has no intention of fighting any more!".
I think riko is ash' s sister living with her and ash ' s father in the paldea region starting her career as a pokemon trainer inspired by ash becoming the world monarch.
Straight up, pokemon SV got me to go back and grab the other pokemon games after 25 years to play. SV is by far the best story for a pokemon game I hope game freak and the pokemon company makes more like this.
Another banger, you made me crack up with the Onyx and Cloyster
being honest here, im really hyped to see how they are going to animate this in the series, with ash leaving the series and a new start made for S/V anime, i really really wanna see how they the differences between Sada and Turo and conbine it in living world of the animation
I'm not sure if anyone else ran across the sign that said "all paths leads to the great crater of paldea". Cool little foreshadowing.
I was in tears and couldn't stop my tears from flowing as a river at the endgame. Feel sorry for Sada and Arvin. Great story but wish it dint make us all cry like a baby the way it did
Definitely bittersweet with a heavy helping of "bitter"!
@@charusharu yeah that's true
I thought this game wouldn’t make me turn the eye faucets on after I helped save Mabosstiff… But then I went to Area Zero…
And Arven’s perspective, when we finally think he’ll get closure, all this does is probably add more questions to the ones he already asked himself since Sada/Turo left - which will indeed go unanswered indefinitely due to their passing.
Poor guy better get himself an excellent therapist with that life insurance policy. 😭 ❤💜
I was thinking on how OLM is planning to implement story from S/V into new anime especially in case of regional professor and whole Sada/Turo stuff
That will be interesting to see indeed :)
I love that you referenced Made in Abyss! When I first learned of Area Zero I was all “This is absolutely MiA vibes” and even more so when you got to go down.
Absolutely!
This was one of the first times a Pokemon game actually caught me off guard.
When the Prof started glitching, I was telling myself "Wouldn't it be fecked if this wasn't the real Prof but an AI instead?"
Just to later yell at the game "I WAS JOKING WTF"
I was so shocked they genuinely just killed off the Prof. That was a twist and a half.
I haven't been this shocked since seeing the dark future in Explorers of Sky
You have no idea how long have I been waiting for you to make a video about Sada and Turo after the games were released.
Personally, I think this is hands down, the best finale in any Pokémon (main series) game, dethroning Legends Arceus and Black/White.
Professor Sada and Turo were crazy if we put both games together we can say that both professors died saving Koraidon and Miradon when one got obsessed with returning to the past and the other obsessed with the future and both robo mom and died saving their son and the player by going back in the past and the future.
It was crazy with Arven's story I legit was balling when I heard his backstory and it made me more motivated to get Mobastiff better weird as it sounds lol but GG Pokemon you made a grown man cry.
And just to top it off, she was wayyy better than the final champion and as a final boss I thought I was going to have go start the battle over again
This vid is amazing, but while watching I was constantly thinking about the intro. Imagine if your name WAS James? I’m just imagining a dude named James jumping out of his chair thinking charusharu shouted him out 😂
I think what really got my mind rolling was the moment I got to the entrance to area zero. Where are the people? Why is nothing active or maintained this is supposed to be one of the biggest research facilities on the planet? What happened?
When I first played this section, I 100% thought they would reveal that the professor had been sucked into the time machine or something. The actual twist was a gut punch, but one thing I didn’t like was that Arven wasn’t there when it was first revealed when he really should have been. I also wasn’t a fan of Arven essentially getting salt in the wound when the director told Arven he was behind in his classes and wasn’t on track to graduate.
I literally thought that the call at the fourth station was a prerecorded message…. Didn’t expect the professor to legit be a robot 😧😣☹️😞😞
I've always thought that the program within the time machine eventually became corrupted without the professor knowing the full extent before making the box legendary kill her
As someone who couldn't keep in touch with father in 2020 and then lost him in the same, this storyy did hit close to hard. In Violet, seeing IA Turo saing that the real turo did love Arven and he would be proud, i was crying like a baby. To me, this one the bes storyline that pokemon made (Also counting pokemon mystery dungeon: explorers of the sky)
I think that the full story of ARven is still incomplete since we are yet to see the legendary pokemon that is resposible for terastallization, and the time machine.
Likely we'll get some dlc story line hopefully lines
I lost my mom more recently than my dad so Scarlet really hit the spot. Damn.
I hope you are doing alright mate. That sounds really rough! Keep your head up and stay strong in your tragedy.
@@AipomBTW Thanks, man! :)
It's quite the storyline - and sorry to hear of your loss.
Professor Sada/Turo was a flawed parent whose ambitions outgrew their scope of their capabilities and mental health, especially considering their lover abandoned them and their child. They loved Arven, they wanted to create a paradise for their family, but it all went horribly wrong and Arven was collateral damage. :( But he still persevered, and in the end he found a new family in his friends, plus his dog survived. It's tragic, but hopeful.
As for the original professor's scary determination to protect their dangerous research, the AI basically received understanding of the unfortunate side effects and reservations about going through with it. "Dreamer gone mad" definitely describes the original professor: isolation, being abandoned, they couldn't even find comfort in their child and buried themselves in their goals. The AI, again, represents the part of them that knew how dangerous this was. The professor was literally of two minds about all of this. Not evil, not bad, but incredibly flawed and messed up.
Honestly, I really like the more mature themes that are appearing in Pokémon content recently. It makes the story so much more interesting rather than being puppy-guarded by the kiddy theme. It also makes the characters a lot more interesting too ( and makes up for the lack of interaction we got with the gym leaders/champions imo )
Try to keep this short, but I think that this story was incredibly worthwhile. Despite the bugs that came with it, the storytelling was spot on. Playing the game, i felt like having to hold my breath at times when I entered area zero and i was visiting the labs. I kept telling myself, "this is about to dark at any moment now...I can feel it." By the time you meet Sada, my heart broke for Arven. But somehow even he took it like a champ. good thing he was able to build up a strong circle of friends by that time.
I thought it was weird she talked to us on a TV with no camera, so that made me suspicious but I'm sure that was just a design mistake lol
Say what you want about the graphics of the game, the story is BRILLIANT
It was wholesome, bitter, and a good time all around!
All those amazing scenes would be better if they put voices in it, it would have more impact to the players
Yep the S/V story out weights Black and White because the message was powerful. And you said it best!
I picked scarlet for Sada (and koraidon) and she only survives in the other version…pain. Though I’d probably be just as sad about Turo, there’s simply no winning
Didn’t expect this to be in a Pokémon game. Point to Nintendo for allowing this.
Damn. Poor Arven... The unbelievable damage and confusion that must've caused would be ridiculous and painful. Even more so finding out that his mom has been dead this whole time that's... Not something that you can just sweep under the rug and forget about, so easily y'know?
Something I found interesting about the text of the game, is that that the Koraidon escaped area zero after the fight that killed Sada, but that escape is shown in the introduction of the game just before Koraidon washes up on the beach before the player arrives. I don't think the professor is as long dead as we expect. I know they wording of the story suggests that but it doesn't fit with what is shown on screen. I think the AI is laying about how long ago Sada died because she clearly cares for Arven more than the real Sada did, and letting him think she died along time ago may make the neglect sting less.
this feels like a semi-fan game level of narrative quality. I'm not complaining!
It’s pretty nice for Pokémon! :) A step in the right direction imo
literally, this story line gave me chills, like- this is on par with that of N's storyline in levels of chills.
I feel like AI sada would be exactly how tell sada would turn out. Maybe sada just needed more time to figure out her mistakes like what the AI did.
Imagine getting a battle between Koraidon vs Miraidon in anime past vs future , instead of Koraidon vs Koraidon
Maybe in dlc the time machine could start going crazy and if you had scarlet the future Pokemon appear and if you had violet the past ones. That accident past or future could be tearing it's way into our present
I see why there's 2 Box Art Legendries as you can't transfer away your mount.
When I first played this game, when I got to the reveal of the true Sada's fate, I remember thinking "That was SO much darker than I ever would have expected from a Pokemon Game."
I feel that there's more to this story, especially with that red book, there's another legendary pokemon, which I feel is more dangerous then what Sada has pulled off, and is probably the reason why Sada was so blinded in her dreams in the first place.
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If yall pause at the right time though “AI Sara has no intention of fighting anymore!” Briefly appears on the little chat bar thing, that only pushes the fact she’s fighting her own programming further
I don't think a lot of people were expecting a game that runs at 9 frames a second over water, crashes to an extent that GF included a secret backup code, AND, could run better on an emulator to have a story that would make them cry and genuinely enjoy their experience more than they hated the technical issues
There’s still one thing that baffles me about how either professor is now in the past of Paldea. If the AI is now residing in the ancient world along with having either books contents accompanying them, then wouldn’t it be possible that either professor will become part of Paldea’s current history and somehow cause some kind of ripple effect?
Well, there's a theory that the time machine grants wishes, as it is actually connected to the Disk Pokémon mentioned by Heath.
The only other time I can think of that Pokemon has done that was this shocking in game was Sun and Moon when they Implied that Guzma's father was abusive. Not Ghetsis's just emotionally abusive but full-on golf clubbing your kid cus he only got 2nd or 3rd place in comptitions abusive and his mother let it happen.
To a point Guzma returned the favor and ran away and years later formed Team Skull to give a home to kids that also had no where to go.
I have to agree splitting the narrative into three arcs is a genius way to work divide the plot in a steady way while also expanding on this world and this new region and its characters, this game alone has made probably one of my favourite cast of characters in the The series yet not the best but definitely in the top 3.