Panasonic GH6 - We analyze Panasonic's big announcement
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- What does the Panasonic GH6 mean for video shooters? We analyze Panasonic's announcement and what the headline specs really mean. While we're at it, we take a look at the new Panasonic 25-50mm F1.7 lens.
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Chris is 100% right, give us computational photography and Image quality on M4/3 will skyrocket
I think the gh6 and the state of 4/3 mirrors shows how good the gh5 was as a camera. The gh5 is still A really good option for videographers.
I'm glad M4/3 isn't dead - and even comes with some improvements!
And comes with a "NEW" DFD system just as expected and believed to be on GH6 as well.
Naaaah, M4/3 is not dead yet. It had some hits but so far there can still be a future.
Yes, I'm hoping for a G9 successor with the Sensor+Processor from GH6
I first bought the GH-1 back in 2008. Even then there were predictions of the imminent death of MFT. And yet great cameras like the G9 and the EM-1 III and enthusiastic users continue to prove the doomsayers wrong. MFT has a lot of advantages and Can’t wait for both the Panasonic and Olympus flagships later this year.
Hoping for news on the long rumoured GX10. Although with today they Panasonic made clear beforehand the focus would be on the GH line today.
Dual ISO would be important.
A built-in ND would be great.
Built-in ND on some silky auto focus with a battery that can handle it all... mmm :)
Better low-light would be great too!
@@kris4637 i think low light comes down to the sensor size. The dual ISO would help a tonne :-)
What if Panasonic would make an official electronic lens adapter and speedbooster for EF lenses with built in ND? I have a Fotodiox ND throttle and Viltrox speedbooster adapter. I tired of having to choose one or the other. Or if Fotodiox can make an ND throttle for mft. It's only available for X, L and E-mount. I'm considering picking up an XT-3 for this reason actually. Not heavily invested in mft though, so it won't be such a big deal for me, but I'd happily pick a new mft camera up (I'm still using BMPCC og) if this kind of product was available
@@DavidBerglund It's an interesting thought, but I doubt they would want to help Canon sell lenses... Thanks!
What I'm really looking forward to is the mid-range-ish (as in GX9, G95 tier) cameras they'll hopefully announce not too long from now using tech derived from the GH6.
C'mon, it's Panasonic. They will cripple all small models beyond any resemblance of reasonability. In true Orwellian manner they talk about focusing on small MFT bodies while making MFT bodies that are bigger than many FF ones.
I really hope there's no cropping on the recording modes, but I also want full V-Log, squeeze out as much dynamic range out of the GH6 sensor.
Me too. No more V-Log lite. Want the full range
Just buy a pocket 4/6k. Wonderful.
@@TimsWildlifeWhile the pockets are fantastic image qualitys, I prefer the convienance of mirrorless cameras personally. Just having a camera that works out of the box and a capable battery is a better buy for me personally
Ya gotta love Panasonic's trajectory with the GH series. 4/3 keeps setting the bar....with this targeted market, who really needs 8k?
I argue that without 8k they really cant compete since M4/3 does not offer any benefits or Full Frame cameras + other cameras have a better body, better autofocus, and coincidentally the lenses are cheaper to get and offer more light gathering abilities than anything M4/3 can do
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVI Try the Voigtlander Noktons
Does anybody need 8K? Seriously. To me, it’s analogous to the Phantom that shoots 1,000,000fps.
@@scottfineshriber5051 I rarely use 4k and have no use for 8k.
Thanks for reading between the lines about the sensor and giving us this extra bit of extrapolated info! Much appreciated.
I'm glad to see that next M4/3 sensor gen should be 24 mpx. Way enough for most.
Tony Northrup is OWNED by Jordan's comments!
Yes!!!
They should make camera manual focus only. Really mess with the UA-cam reviewers.
Hahahaha! Brilliant comment!
😆😆👍
and force them to use db of gain instead of ISO ;)
And they should sell it as a feature to make the camera feel like a Leica KEK
This is the first camera I am interested in since I have used a GH5 since 2017 since it came out when I upgraded from a GH4 as my primary video/photography camera. One thing I really hope they add to the GH6 is RAW video as Jordan mentioned and I hope the screen is a bit brighter as I find the GH5 screen in daylight and bright light is a bit hard to see. Looking forward to finding out more about this camera especially that it might have a 24mp sensor due to the 5.7K video and how that will work in terms of dynamic range, noise and diffraction if it is a higher megapixel sensor than 20mp
Ah man! I have a GH5 and was going to upgrade to the A7Siii, but the GH6 is looking tempting! Especially as I already have the lenses!
Same! I was about to pull the plug on a Sony a7siii , but I have so many mft lenses. The gh6 is definitely gonna be worth the wait!
I was going to jump ship to canon r5. I’ll hold off to see what the gh6 can do.
David Thorpe would love this
He left a farewell message on youtube, I am gonna miss him and hope he's been well, safe and sound.
He's left UA-cam? David Thorpe is a legend, what the heck.
@@raksh9 David Thorpe RIP
He seemed like a down to earth nice guy. News of his passing was really sad.
Nice review but did you use Canon R5 in filming this video? If not which one?
Ibis plus built in nd would be a hell of a differentiator.
Dual ISO? Or something about noise issue what was always very crucial with the GH4-Gh5 series...
I’m really happy about the GH5S raw update and other improvements, finally we get a decent update!
Super excited about that, but the one feature that I want to justify an upgrade is the ability to make the old Lumix lenses focus linearly.
One of these wide view chat episodes should be set on a massive seesaw / teeter-totter in the near future.
hmmmm. What to think about this announcement and the new GH 5 II? I am a proud GH5 owner. Bought it after a lot of time weighing pros vs cons. And for a very long time I was very happy about it. For years, the GH5 has some features that Canon, Sony and other only recently start adding to their setups. Articulating screen, dual card slots, no limit recording, no overheating. Every time I saw new camera announcements where they were bragging about one of these, it made me laugh. But my work shifted a bit, and the unreliable autofocus (even after all the updates), the awful low light performance, even the lack of prores started to hurt. I was more and more leaning towards Sony. The FX3 pulled me over and I am finally saving up for this camera. (In Belgium is even way more expensive than other parts of the world for some reason!!!)
I am quite sure the GH5 II is not the update I need. But maybe the GH6 will be? Or do I need to hope that this triggers Sony to come up with a better FX3 version.
Really happy to see the new camera and new lens on the way. Really interested when they come out with a G10. Some positive news for M4/3.
Looking forward to the GH6. My GH5 is still going strong but showing wear and tear after 4.5+ years in the field. My G9 does everything I need. Hopefully, I won't need new/different batteries.
What microphones are you guys using and are you guys using one camera to record both both mics? or did you sync the audio in post? thank you!
What kind of mic system is Chris and Jordon wearing? Inquiring videography n00bs wanna know!! :) Pls kindly elaborate! You guys sound amazing!
I have the GH5s and I am very curious if this GH6 will be a big improvement over the GH5s. The autofocus is not the most important for me personally. Built-in stabilization would certainly be interesting because I miss it while handheld.
Yay!!! Super stoked. Thanks for covering this guys!
If only the autofocus is nearly as good as Sony's, that will be enough to make everyone freak out. Make the colors cinematic, add some more dynamic range, low light capability and it'll be perfect. I don't need 6K, 8k or even 4K most of the time.
I'm getting my new gx85 tomorrow yes is an older camera and I was going to wait for the new release but decided not to it I'm have been a Nikon shooter for years and I wanted a lighter kit then the brick lenses I have now so the gx85 will be perfect plus you can't beat the price
I was a Gx85 owner. You will love it. It's tiny and yet has great 4K video. The insanely long reach of MFT lenses in small packages is great as well. Yes you will miss the low light performance, but you have a lot more than that to actually be excited about.
I have a GX85 as well, and have had it for a few years. I recently went through every current production camera body and determined that there is (still) no better body for my purposes, though a few are close.
I recommend getting a used leica 25mm f/1.4 which are cheap now that the II has come out and that is an excellent lens that's still small and light.
I also have the gx85 and it's horrible! The size is great, but Panasonic has crippled it like there's no tomorrow. It has absolutely ridiculous limitations, such as being region-locked (because why would anyone outside the US want to shoot 30 fps that works well with computer screens, youtube, phones, etc?)
great little camera! and about the iso.. I personally have no problems shooting at 6400 and probably beyond too (didn't test it yet). Got some amazing shots on that iso. WIth the kit lens mind you. That's not such a bad perfomance for my needs as everyone is trying to tell. Hope you are enjoying it!
awesome, saving to get my MFT kit back.
Just when everyone's starting to get worried about the lack of GH6 news, they drop it! 👏 WP Panasonic
I need DUAL GAIN to improve low light to GH5S level. BSI and second circuit kicking in at 2500-3200. That would be awesome!
What about quad gain
@@niznoobsky6043 Unserious question, but serious answer: too complicated. More reasonable would be some kind of adjustable clean analog gain intead of ISO (digital gain) like in audio recordes. But I doubt it is technically possible
I am hopeful for the future of Micro 4/3. Upgrading to a full-frame camera is not just a money thing. I like the smaller Micro 4/3 lenses and camera bodies. I don't want to lug the extra weight around. I actually use a GX8 because I want it to be as small as possible. I will get a GH6 because I want the upgraded video features, but the smaller, the better.
C'mon, it's Panasonic. They will cripple all small models beyond any resemblance of reasonability. In true Orwellian manner they talk about focusing on small MFT bodies while making MFT bodies that are bigger than many FF ones. I'd love to see a full featured GX (or GM) model, but knowing Panasonic that's never, ever going to happen.
@@marcus3dSadly, that would consistent with their past development efforts. However for our sake, I hope you are wrong.
Agree with Chris on multi-shot modes, hope see hdr plus noise reduction stacking mode
Do you know what I want? Successor to LX10/15 with no crop in video...
Can someone tell why which audience is using m4/3 in production? The Grand Tour are using them but anyone else? Who is using Panasonic in production Mode?
GH5 is already a perfect camera if manual focus is fine. That's why they need to add better autofocus
Right, if you ask me 5.7k 60fps and great video auto focus. which feature I prefer to see in GH6. I would pick great auto focus.
Will the GH6 include AF phase Detection? I know Lumix rely on AF contrast detection.
Which would have better dynamic range gh6 or s1
I am very curious how it performs under low light.
That’s what we’re wondering about.
If it is 24 Megapixels, then it is probably multi-aspect like the GH5S, so it may actually replace that camera in the long run.
Maybe there are different stabilisation modes like the A7SIII and it needs to slightly crop in to the old size to have the same performance as before.
Internal ND filter like olympus would be fantastic. As well as a better astrophotography af mode
I hope they include some smartphone tricks.. like night shot (image stacking). I have larger format cameras but I'd buy a new m43 if they'd do that!
Just yesterday I was thinking GH6 was never gonna be announced since they seemed all in on frame.
FF might become their new focus for stills cameras, even though the S1H exists. Certainly, there a lot more focus on making the S1 and S5 good stills cameras, but at the same time, I do feel like without PDAF, Panasonic can lose out to Sony, or even within L-Mount, it could lose out to Sigma, especially if they make a full sized camera closer in design to the sd Quattro than the fp.
Certainly, if you're much more of a photographer, you'll probably be far more interested in what OMDS makes as their next MFT camera. OMDS had a lot to say about its existence and future plans at CP+ 2021, but with a "revolutionary camera" for 2022 and no new dates for the lens roadmap that OMDS is committing to... I'm not sure about what's next.
I'm very happy that Panasonic has reaffirmed its commitment to MFT, but it does feel very... specific to video. The 25-50mm lens announcement is very welcome, however.
I'd be excited if they pull off a global shutter or dual native ISO.
Would love to record and shoot directly to an SSD like in the BMPCCs
I honestly just want to see more dynamic range - like S5 level in m 4/3 would be fantastic
Same low light capability as the GH5s, PLEASE!
So happy to hear this
No word on the low light performance, will the GH6 be as good as the GH5S in that regard?
Just curious. What camera was used to shoot this video?
Stills guy here. No idea what any of these video specs mean, but just happy to see Chris and Jordan. 😁
I currently use the G9 as my B-Roll camera with my S1 as my A-Roll camera. Stoked if the GH6 can become a solid replacement to the G9.
will the GH6 be dual gain, or will they hold that for the GH6S do you think?
Will it have Phase Detect af?
I just want the sensor to be more light sensitive. I know there's a physics limit to the sensor but still.. if it was about 87% as light sensitive as a Sony cmos sensor I'd might sell my gh5 body and buy a gh6
As the sensor is smaller, panasonic can get amazing processors as both of them should not produce as much hit as the full frame. Better algorithm, faster read out. I mean is so much possibility. Let think what the phone can do with stupid tiny sensor. Lets put all this computing power with the m4/3 and can get something amazing
I thought Sony created a MFT 30mp sensor years ago. What happened to that?
Chris, you said you "want to see Panasonic do stuff like your smart phone does" WOW😲 ........ times have changed 👍😎👍
Chris, just like I was thinking, regarding the features to surpass OLY.
What I have noticed moving to Sony from Panasonic (due to bad C-AF), is that their lens is quite video-focused especially with focus breathing. And their sensors seem to be better with flares, and highlights (perhaps something to do with sensor reflection?). All I hope for is a solid AF-C from the company.
Curious about low light performance. Would love dual ISO.
5:22 thanks for the morning chuckle. :)
Excuse me guys. You forgot about low light. Will it be the same as S1H or better?
Nice jacket, Chris.
The GH6 announcement refers to 5.7K. Plus ProRes RAW for the GH5-II, so they must give this to the GH6. Guess what? The Panasonic EVA1 Camcorder is 5.7K and has ProRes RAW. A coincidence?
EVA1 specs...
5.7K 5720x3016 sensor - 17.25 MP
4K/10-bit 4:2:2
Dual sensitivity ISO 800 & 2500
400Mbps 10-bit 422 All-Intra
ProRes RAW
I guess the GH6 will be similar to the EVA1, the same sensor, dual-ISO, ProRes RAW, 400Mbps 10-bit 4:2:2, All-Intra etc.
So how will they do this?
GH5 - 5184x3888 - 17.3x13mm (225mm2) - 20.1 MP - 1.33:1 (cropped to 5184x2916 for 16:9 - 15 MP) - high-res but small pixels (bad for low light)
EVA1/GH6? - 5720x3016 - 24.6x12.97mm (319mm2) - 17.2 MP - 1.89:1 (cropped to 5361x3016 for 16:9 - 16 MP) - high-res but larger pixels (better for low light)
How would Panasonic squeeze more sensitivity from the GH6. Well the sensor is 40% larger than the GH5 (probably meaning no IBIS unless the body is larger). Plus there's the new Venus Engine, and dual-ISO to extend dynamic range while reducing noise. I have seen results of the EVA1's dual-ISO system, and it is revolutionary.
Maybe? Oh, and BTW - the EVA1 body is $6,500 at B&H. Ouch.
will gh5 ii become less expensive cause of that?
Can we please get a updated Cinema camera. The EVA1 is old
I was hoping was a G10 or even GX10 photographer focused camera
Lumix have said they struggled to make money out of some of those, so now imagine, those 20mp sensors will finally drop in cost, so hoping to see them appear in GM6, GX10, GM2, G100 ii with IS and the rest.
Rumors were saying that they were planning on releasing three versions of GH6. Hybrid, Photo Centric and Video Centric I wonder if they still planning on doing that.
Internal raw might come annoyingly close to infringing on RED's patents. But as with Blackmagic using compressed BRaw, I hope this is possible.
*I'm so glad Panasonic is still supporting MFT sensor based technology. In regards to the said announced GH6 camera, 5.7K 10 Bit ? Is that spec 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 ? If it's the latter, then I'm not all that impressed. I think the absolute minimum spec should be 5.9K or straight 6K resolution. Is it even possible to have an MFT based sensor which can read out 8K resolution, or would it have too many compromises ? I think the concentration on 4K based features is rather antiquated at this point. Like it or not, we're living in the Age of 8K & 12K resolution video now, so, making cameras under 6K resolution is not where the market is going. Besides, how long will the Netflix & Discovery delivery standards remain @ the 4K resolution level ?*
I found the panasonic announcement a lot more substantial than the OM one.
But where is the announcement of the GX10???
Any thoughts on Dynamic Range?
Completely agree with what Jordan says about Braw: that would sure be cool!
Yes, internal BRAW to USB-C storage, such as an SSD. But this is Panasonic, they haven't done anything new for them in a, what, a decade? I think their last new thing was DfD-AF, which still isn't working well even on the gh5ii.
@@marcus3d I know only too well - and I am quite happy with my BMPCC 4K - but one can always hope.
I just hope the GH6 is popular enough to drive down the price of secondhand GH5s - so I can finally upgrade from my GH4.
Sounds good panny boi. I really hope it's amazing. My gh5 still kicks ass. My gh4 kicked but as well. I hope they live long and prosper. Gh5, speedbooster, 18-35 is legendary. I'm sure the gh6 will be even better. Always the auto focus they have to prove. If that's on point this thing will rock.
Internal Electric ND would be amazing!
As a long time GH5 owner - this is great news!!!! How about low light? There's no 8K, but is there 6K?
Jordan wants a Clutched Focus Ring,... the rest of us want manual rings - the Sony G-master with the push/pull lockable ring is the best solution for good operator focus and occasional AF use.
They better update AF to phase detect. DFD really does suck for video with its hunting, and inaccuracy in low/flat light conditions.
let's be honest, at this point I don't think Panasonic are ever leaving DFD for PD...And I'm saying this as a GH5 user. It would be cool to see, but I doubt it.
My GH6 Features Wishlist -
Hybrid AF
Dual Native ISO (640, 4000 ISO)
4K 120 FPS 10 Bit with no crop
BRAW / Prores RAW Output (agree on the wish for internal)
Multi-shot High Res Mode like the G9
Option to De-clutter the Menu by moving less used menu items to an “Other” subfolder
Would absolutely love to see some form of built-in ND filters. That’s would probably make me consider switching back to the GH line.
Would be amazing! There's little room between sensor and mft mount though? I suspect it's hard to pull off. I'd be happy with something like the Fotodiox ND throttle for MFT mount. No idea why they only support E, X and L mount
In today's live stream from LUMIX they said the GH6 is still under development. So, I'm personally holding off on looking at its specs until they officially announce it.
I think, Jordan was born in that leather jacket! :D
What will be the dynamic range for photography on the GH6?
Curious to see what the fastest frame rate is at 2k for slow-mo shots.
I bet you they go the JVC route and put a Super 35 sensor behind that MFT mount.
It was nice to see Kirk Tuck's blog have an homage to the puddle-picture master, Chris.
Did you forget about Dual Native ISO? I was seriously disappointed to see this wasn't included in the GH5M2. It would basically be a requirement in the GH6 to keep people on MFT. Noise is still the biggest drawback to MFT and Dual Native ISO mitigates that substantially. So if it doesn't have Dual Native ISO, forget about the whole thing.
Well, in case of the GH5M2 it was a sensor limitation. Pretty sure it will be included with the new sensor.
can we see any S5 updates too ?
I wonder if the 6 will have dual native iso or if they will release something akin to a Gh6s later on.
Here for Jordan's fly ass jacket!
It would be cool to see a remote follow focus that drives the lens motor
Unless the autofocus is REALLY good...what's the point?
Built in variable nd like the FX 6 would make Panasonic king again
For Panasonic, to make this a great comeback and beat the competition of Sony and Canon they need to introduce mobile phone technology in this camera.
First, the micro Four third lens win with price. You get better lenses than your mobile phones but not overly expensive lenses making it a great camera to transition to coming from a mobile phone. Second, The camera needs to address the problem most people have when buying a camera which is, why would they buy a camera if they can record it on a mobile phone have have all those software features as well as ease of access and usability. The GH6 should introduce android like OS with apps, software features, and streaming capabilities. People who stream or upload on social media will love the ability to record, edit and upload right on the camera without needing to go to a computer (Great for vlogging.) The camera should have High speed USB charging and wireless data transfer to PC's. Also Cloud backup solutions should also be a feature. Of course it should improve on features it already does but all the cameras are doing that.
This camera really needs to be a next level camera and solution for people who want some things better than their phone that fits their video recording needs full packed with features and ease of use as their phones for a smaller price tag for a combined price of a camera, lenses, and other accessories. If it does that, it will fit so many people's needs who simply need a better video / photo camera than their phones without afraid to buy expensive lenses and other additions. Sony and cannon don't have that flexibility at the moment.
As 4:3 continues to lose users, Panasonic seems to be trying to gather as many Olympus users who are disappointed in the way Olympus has eliminated the photography division by giving it to PIC.
ND filter or V ND please
panasonic is really pushing the video situation wayyy above anything. definitely giving a run for the money to sony's. my only gripe is i'm the kind of hybrid shooter where photos and videos BOTH are equally important to me, and there's not just a lot of cameras that do BOTH equally well. I HAVE TO KEEP two bodies, and definitely TWO ECOSYSTEMS if i wanna keep up the production level high, it's just not the time for a 50-50 camera. Maybe a couple of years more?
Hope it has an Anamorphic setting,
4K120 and 6K60 means new IPU is capable of 8K30. It's just sensor won't have of this amount of megapixels.