So Guy Godin (developer of Virtual Desktop) commented on this video when I posted it to some private Facebook groups with the following advice: "Btw, I recommend using the default options in the Streaming tab and enabling Sliced encoding; this will provide the smoothest experience. Keeping the VR bitrate at the default 65 Mbps should be more than enough for good image quality and decent latency. Cheers!"
I was just wondering since I have only 25 mb/s wifi download speed and like 200 mb/s upload speed would upgrading to wifi 6 with the Asus router work still?
I got the TP Link AX1500 and it works flawlessly. Connected directly in to my pc upstairs via ethernet as an access point and can play on my Quest 2 downstairs wirelessly. Definitely recommend the TP Link router for the money
Sorry, I'm hijacking the top comment to get this seen about WiFi 5/6: Here's a thread of the performance of different routers that different users have reported in Virtual Desktop for Quest 2: [had to remove link, youtube kept deleting this comment] You can see how WiFi 5 routers (866mbps WiFi connection) perform identically to WiFi 6 routers (1300mbps WiFi connection). The data collection in this video seems thorough (although maxing the streaming bandwidth like he did is not recommended for any router in VD, which makes what he's testing not a real-world scenario) but from his data sample of one poorly performing 30 dollar WiFi 5 router he said "avoid this any any router like it" (i.e. all 30 dollar non-WiFi 6 routers). A sample size of one is not enough to make a conclusion like that, and I would certainly recommend peopl look at more statistics before making the decision to invest into the significantly higher cost of a WiFi 6 router which may yield no benefit to their experience. As the some of the other Quest users in the thread that I mentioned have, I too have had a great experience using my WiFi 5 router (main router) in my living room and have just bought another one for £7 off ebay to dedicate to Quest so I can use it in my bedroom. Here's a video looking benchmarking the difference in VD Quest 2 for WiFi 5/6 [had to remove link, youtube kept deleting comment] (note: unlike he suggests at the end, WiFi 6 does not improve the strength of the signal and will serve multiple users better unless they are all on WiFi 6 capable devices as well) A note from the official developer of Virtual Desktop: [had to delete link, youtube kept removing comment] None of the demos in this video hit above WiFi 5 streaming capabilities in terms of mbps. Yes it is important to check the router model you are getting, but that is true of any WiFi 6 as well, evn non-VR users are reporting connectivity issues with the newer WiFi 6 devices - its a new technologyso its to be expected, and not all manufacturers are made equal. Whether you are going WiFi 5 or 6 or buying any other technology, it is important to look past the label and check before quality and benchmarks you buy. TLDR: you should not get a WiFi 6 router for Oculus Quest 2 wireless streaming. You should get WiFi 6 for when you have a a large number of devices connecting to it all demanding alot of bandwidth cuasing congestion, and only when the majority of them are on WiFi 6 capable devices, otherwise there will be no benefit. This is especially important to note since it means you can get the same experience on a 10 dollar router as a 100 dollar one in almost every home in terms of Quest 2 usage.
@@DevAnimate you don't need a modem just connect it directly to your pc and go into your router settings and turn on access point. I use my wireless card inside my pc for internet a access and its connection is shared with my Wifi 6 router (access point) to give my quest 2 Internet access so i can play online games. EDIT forgot to mention my wireless card is connected wirelessly my main Virgin broadband router downstairs for Internet access only. This connection is also shared with my access point (wifi6 router which is wired to the back of my pc). My Oculus Quest 2 is the only device that connects to my wifi 6 router (access point), that way there are no other devices interfering with its connection directly to my pc hence no lag. If my quest 2 needs to access the Internet it goes through my access point via my pc wireless card then to my main router downstairs for internet access
@@steelyjace hey man I need help, I have the exact same setup as urs but my pc cannot connect to internet when it's plugged into the wifi 6 router. Pages won't load even tho I'm connected to my main modems wifi for internet
@@StriveForLuck sounds like you need to prioritize your wifi network over your ethernet network. Refer to this video for more info ua-cam.com/video/N87_l8KswtQ/v-deo.html
I've been using the wifi/modem provided by my ISP and TBH it works just fine with between 40-60 ms (i know it's a huge disparity but it usually does not oscillate) and i use it as my home main router, at first it used to stutter a lot but after tweaking VD it almost never does now. And apparently it's capable of 800mbs wifi so I'm impressed if nothing else.
I have the TP-Link AC1200 and AX1500. The 1200 outperforms the AX1500 in every single area, from my extensive testing. With the AX1500, I was getting a lot of craptastic results with the Virtual Desktop overlay (middle section, network stats). The network numbers were always in the orange. Low FPS and higher latency in-game, too. This was with my router set to "802.11 a/n/ac/ax mixed" (with AX mode in there). Changing it to "a/n/ac mixed" (without AX) cut those crappy numbers in half or less. The AX mode is definitely the problem (I'm on the 1.1.0 firmware and hardware 1.20, which apparently is the problematic version). Trying out the ASUS RT-AX55, as recommended, at 6:52. It's only a little more expensive than the AX1500. I'm sure I'll get more better results. In general, the AX1500 has worked pretty well, but not always. Network spikes happened constantly, and some games had worse results than others. AC1200-- no spikes. And it's half the price. But I think in general, the ASUS ones are the way to go. Hope this helps others!
I'm using a TP-Link AX-1800 router, solely for my Quest 2--it solved horrible problems I was having with my Verizon GS3100 router. I've updated the firmware, use it in access point mode, and only enable the 5ghz channel--the 5ghz channel is disabled on my Verizon router too, to avoid interference. So far it has been fantastic, great latency, ~40ms over Airlink@ 120Hz no problem, but for now I play at 90Hz and increase the Render Resolution to 4128x2096, and I connect at 100Mbps fixed. When playing Half-Life Alyx at high settings, on a 3080 w/ a Ryzen 3600, I'm getting buttery-smooth, beautiful looking gameplay. Honestly, ANY router can come out of the box a lemon, so maybe that was the experience people were having. My new TP-Link is great so far, has performed 2-3 hour gaming sessions with ease. I'm not done playing around with settings, barely had it a week, but initial impressions are it's great for the Quest 2.
Was looking for a comment like this, found it difficult to get comparisons for this Router, literally just impulse bought it £50 off from Amazon to replace my TP-Link Archer C6, which works fine, but it does have stuttering issues and know that a WiFi 6 upgrade for only £30 more would be preferable and return my Archer C6, so thanks for the peace of mind :D
Network shouldn't go orange, reduce bitrate. Enable sliced encoding for RTX 2060. Use Steam performance overlay and look for red spikes as one check for stuttering. The AX86U supports DFS channels (e.g. 100), which is key for many people to get dedicated bandwidth. Sustained stability of high rate data stream is as an important as latency and cheaper routers tend to perform worse. The ASUS routers just work for VD, YMMV otherwise.
Very good advice. For these tests, I purposefully used the maximum bitrate without sliced encoding. In actual use, I would have the bitrate at about 90 with sliced encoding enabled.
@@SonicTheCat if a router works good at the max bitrate, it'll look good with other settings. But if it can't even handle the max bitrate of 60, its not worth using.
@@VirtualPandaVR Well not necessarily, with the bitrate on max, the overall latency is higher, which may cover up issues. It's totally possible that the routers behave differently in low latency situations. Ideally your test conditions would be similar to the recommended real world settings, otherwise you're testing and stressing different things to what people actually want and use.
I was going to get that but I got the AX3000 AX55, It is a game changer for me, Rigged with the Sky Modem I use, And damn I am blown away with AMS 2.....
Here is another good option. I just set up a Unifi 6 Lite Access Point, and it's killer, especially for $100. You can easily handle having many devices connected, and it supports Wifi-6 like the Q2. I've gotten as high as 1200mbps. :o Just note, it's not very beginner friendly, so you'll need to do a little research if you're unfamiliar with networking. Make sure to get a PoE injector and one of their Ethernet cables so you can mount it on the wall and power it with that.
I have the same one Archer AX10 works great for me never had a issue unless I had tons of other devices on when I'm using VR but still fixed that by making my device first priority over any other on the Network
Just to help people looking here to save some money: WiFi 6 performs identically as Wifi 5 for Quest 2 Virtual Desktop . Check in forums recording their performance and youtube videos comparing Quest 2 performance on the different protocols. There is no difference in performance. Here's a thread of the performance of different routers that different users have reported in Virtual Desktop for Quest 2: [had to remove link, youtube kept deleting this comment] You can see how WiFi 5 routers (866mbps WiFi connection) perform identically to WiFi 6 routers (1300mbps WiFi connection). The data collection in this video seems thorough (although maxing the streaming bandwidth like he did is not recommended for any router in VD, which makes what he's testing not a real-world scenario) but from his data sample of one poorly performing 30 dollar WiFi 5 router he said "avoid this any any router like it" (i.e. all 30 dollar non-WiFi 6 routers). A sample size of one is not enough to make a conclusion like that, and I would certainly recommend peopl look at more statistics before making the decision to invest into the significantly higher cost of a WiFi 6 router which may yield no benefit to their experience. As the some of the other Quest users in the thread that I mentioned have, I too have had a great experience using my WiFi 5 router (main router) in my living room and have just bought another one for £7 off ebay to dedicate to Quest so I can use it in my bedroom. Here's a video looking benchmarking the difference in VD Quest 2 for WiFi 5/6 [had to remove link, youtube kept deleting comment] (note: unlike he suggests at the end, WiFi 6 does not improve the strength of the signal and will serve multiple users better unless they are all on WiFi 6 capable devices as well) A note from the official developer of Virtual Desktop: [had to delete link, youtube kept removing comment] None of the demos in this video hit above WiFi 5 streaming capabilities in terms of mbps. Yes it is important to check the router model you are getting, but that is true of any WiFi 6 as well, evn non-VR users are reporting connectivity issues with the newer WiFi 6 devices - its a new technologyso its to be expected, and not all manufacturers are made equal. Whether you are going WiFi 5 or 6 or buying any other technology, it is important to look past the label and check before quality and benchmarks you buy. TLDR: you should not get a WiFi 6 router for Oculus Quest 2 wireless streaming. You should get WiFi 6 for when you have a a large number of devices connecting to it all demanding alot of bandwidth cuasing congestion, and only when the majority of them are on WiFi 6 capable devices, otherwise there will be no benefit. This is especially important to note since it means you can get the same experience on a 10 dollar router as a 100 dollar one in almost every home in terms of Quest 2 usage.
I had problems with Archer AX50. Worthless for VR due to dual core CPU limitations. (Or maybe a design flaw in cable communication to PC) Constant hicups. Wifi 6 can indeed performs identically as Wifi 5 if you are the only user of your network. But if you share it with others, Wifi 6 do a better job by not let the connections interfere with one another. At least in theory.
@@NicheAsQuiche I believe so ya. Just cheap router couldn't handle all the network traffic I'm assuming and my quest 2 is only thing besides my phone that runs on the 5g now others are on the 2.4 band of new wifi 6 router I got made big difference overall
I bought the TPLink AX3000 for Air Link and I've been having massive stutters, an absolutely unplayable experience. The issue with the router is that it can't handle the WiFi 6 mode correctly, at least in my case. If I put the WiFi connection to 802.11ax Air Link is unusable, but if I switch it to 802.11ac it works perfectly fine, almost no stutters up to 120-130 Mbps. Fortunately I could return it, since my basic ac modem router works a bit better. And it isn't even a good one. I don't know if there are just a lot of faulty units or what, but I surely wouldn't recommend this router to anyone.
Same issue here, I tried multiple settings and the stutter comes enventually even using 802.11ac. I searched on multiple forums and the issue appears to be due to the heating problem. Some users fixed it by putting a small fan below the router. Since I bought it recently, I returned and ordered an ASUS RT-AC86U. Hope it works better.
@@lordmaker that sounds strange, my unit didn't heat up that much, it was warm in the center but nothing crazy. Anyway we were lucky to return the router, sure I don't envy those that bought the router months before just to discover it doesn't work
I got a TP-Link AX3000 AX55 Archer Router, Linked with the Sky modem, I had the best AMS 2 experience I ever had last night, The steering wheel in my hand and the steering wheel on the game, Is spot on, Instant, I realized I was faster than I ever been, There is a setting that allows 1000mbps so if your internet ISP is fast you will get every bit of internet speed, I am blown away by the AX 3000 AX55 Archer from TP-Link, I highly recommend the TP-Link AX3000 AX55 Router, Not, Na Na stuttering at all, Honestly the AX3000 is an amazing Router......
Reason for getting more expensive router would be Tri-band which allows you to have a 5ghz network purely for your headset whilst still having a 2.4 and 5ghz band for your home
spent an entire day trying to figure out why the AX3000 from tp link was giving me a ton of frame drops, especially with head movement. If only i did some research, the AX3000 is to be completely avoided for VR. Returning. Getting the AX1800 from Asus, hopefully that works better
I already have the AX55 coincidentally and I have had no issues with it at all for anything. However I still prefer link cable especially in games like Blade and Sorcery where hand tracking is more consistent and the game overall feels smoother.
I was getting horrible latency/stuttering on the ax1500. After spending days scouring the internet and messing with tons of settings, I picked up the recommended ASUS. It’s been a massive improvement with a super smooth VR experience. The TPLink is going straight back to Wally World. I’m guessing the TP stands for toilet paper bc this router is garbage for VR, and they don’t seem very anxious to fix it. Their website just instructs page after page of forum users to get in contact with their engineers while acknowledging the problem but offering no solutions. This has been ongoing for quite while. Thanks for a helpful vid, I was losing my mind over this!!!
I actually saw a fair performance difference between the TP Link ax1800 and the Asus ax5700. It's also worth pointing out that the Dev currently says that OFMDA can cause issues in some cases, and you may want to try disabling it on a TP Link router, particularly the ax 1500. I actually upgraded my router due to upgrading a couple of PCs in my home with Wifi 6 cards, and wanted something that had Wifi 6 and could handle them all at once without killing wifi VR performance when everyone was on the wifi at the same time, as well as some of the media server and traffic management features like OFDMA and Mu-Mimo. Also, a faster internal processor on the router can have an impact on latency as well. Not a huge one, but it can get you a few, which can be the difference between 40+ and being in the upper 30s. 40 is about the point where you'll start to notice latency issues, and you absolutely want to be sub 50 ms for a good experience. I did not spend $250 just for a slight VR performance difference. However, the higher power signal actually did have a noticeable positive impact on my performance. Even more demanding titles like Alyx are in the 36 ms range. Some stuff I can get as little as 18-21 ms. This is extremely rare as most stuff is in the 26-36 ms range. I went from a fairly decent but constantly fluctuating signal that ranged from 500-1200, usually in the 800-1000 range, to a rock solid 1200 mbps all the time. This is probably due to brute forcing past signal pollution from other networks nearby and some of the other network traffic management features in the router helping isolate the HMD. Yes, I did set up my router properly, experimented with ax and ac, and found the best channels and all that. Basically, the biggest limitation I have with wireless VR is how fast the Quest 2 processor can decode the signal, and HVEC is actually the better codec to use in my case due to that. H.256 is a great codec that breaks up things a little more making it easier to get the data to the Quest on a lesser signal, but the Quest also has to put it back together which can result in more artifacts. If you have the signal and latency headroom, absolutely go with HVEC instead. I will say that this isn't a hugely significant performance boost above the TP Link in the vast majority of VR titles. However, for stuff like Beat Saber or Synth Ryders, where ms latency is a big factor in gameplay, it can be the difference between whether it's worth it to bust out the Link Cable to play or not. Also, future proofing is a thing. As VD and Air Link advance and become more optimized, they'll be able to take advantage of more advanced features on some routers. An ax 1500 might be great right now if you're on a budget and just want a short term solution, but something a bit nicer will likely be better in the long run. Not necessarily ax 5700 nice, but it is a good idea to spend a little bit more on something better than an ax1500 or ax1800 as you'll probably be using it for a while. That Asus ax55 is a good option for that and about where you want to be for decent wireless VR.
What do u think about asus rx-56u? Is it better than asus rx-55? Because the cost difference is really slim, and i read the specs is better, but it only have 2 antennas
Virtual Desktop 1.20.18 update is a game changer - I used to only be able to use up to 90 Mbps bitrate before network latency starts skyrocketing beyond 10-15 ms (like what's seen in this video). But now after the update (it disables encryption by default for local network), I can crank the bitrate up to the max 150 Mbps AND experience **reduced** network latency of 4-6 ms consistently!
Tp link ax-10? Got recommended on a different channel being better than the 500$ Asus :) I'm guessing it can be set to AX only? Would maximize performance of it works as it would rely on wifi 6 that is not as crowded as wifi 5 where i live in a apartment complex
ey just buyed ax1500 for my self second hand for 25 bucks xD other options were much much much more expensive in were im from works amazingly altho mine was ver.1.0 thnx for the video
Im using TP-Link Archer C6 1200 and while I do not see stuttering (thanks to AirLink's ASW) I do however get quite constant lag spikes. Most probably it is caused by the crowded wifi channels, however if you're considering my router be aware that it supports only 4 5GHz channels (38, 40, 44, 48) and those channels are mostly used by all other network devices (in the neighborhood). Thinking of AX55 or AX56U right now since in EU they support a lot more channels (AX55 supports 36,40,44,48,52,56,60,64,100,104,108,112 channels if my supplier didn't lie).
I have the AX1500 router too, but the connections never stays consistantly on 1200mb/s. Is this normal? I have it in 5ghz only, AP mode, comnected to pc with ethernet. Any tips?
Most routers will work fine if there's only a couple of devices connected. Good routers are needed when you have a number of devices. A household of 5 people probably has around 10-20 devices which could justify a $250 router if all devices were to work well.
It's really the best. The market seems to be moving away from PC-VR, but tech like this makes it much more appealing. I bought my Quest 2 a few months ago and have never used the link cable, it's great.
Pro tip: Guy Godin (creator of VD) doesn't recommend it... but you 'can' use some USB receivers to also act as the hotspot, basically removing network latency from the equation. I've had good luck with it, but it does require jumping through some hoops in Windows settings to force the right frequencies to be used.
Yeah, it's due to legal restrictions around 5Ghz mobile hotspots cause theyre used in radar a lot. The assumption seems to be that a router won't be mobile, so it can make a 5Ghz WAP, but a PC/laptop may be moving around, so to keep radars consistent they shouldnt be able to. The way it seems to be avoided is by first connecting your PC to a 5Ghz WiFi router, disconnecting ethernet, then turning your PCs hotspot on, then connecting a mobile phone to the hotspot, then connecting the Quest 2 to your PCs hotspot. Is that something like what you did?
Are you referring to a USB wireless adapter when you say "USB receiver? That has worked for me in the past but wasn't nearly as good for wireless VR as my dedicated wifi router. Let me know
I'm not a complete expert, but Wi-Fi 6 offers full-duplex, while lesser Wi-Fi standards don't. A VR headset is obviously going to benefit tremendously from full-duplex communication, it's a necessity for smooth gameplay imo.
The RT-AX55 was on Sale on amazon from 115 to just 80€ In the comments, many said their router would break after a few months. I took the risk and ordered one. Then I tried to return my Link cable. Today is the last day i can return it. When i use the official oculus site, and try to return it, it says it can't... because they cant confirm my address. wtf? I bought it with the same address.
You never know what you're missing until try something better. I was content with my old Apple Router until I got the Asus RT AX55. The combination of Virtual Desktop's SSW and Wi-Fi 6 I was able to get 120Hz at Medium settings with a bite rate of 133. With my RTX 2080 Super I get a latency 35-41 sometimes spiking higher. I can get better latency with a lower bit rate but for the games I play it's more than fine. The visual difference is night and day. I was satisfied with my old router but now I am could never go back. It's like getting cataract surgery and now I able to see clearly.
@@ES-wn4oq I plug my dedicated router into the modem and plug the secondary router everyone else uses into the dedicated router...that way everyone else is using the secondary and I'm the only one using my dedicated wireless singnal
I have a question, can I have my laptop connected to my main router which has internet access to play say Pavlov Multiplayer, but have the game streaming via a wifi 6 Archer AX55 with the Quest 2 only connected to the Wifi 6 router?
I'm thinking about buying a TP-Link. I have at&t internet 12 plan. the download speed is up to 12 mbps and uploads are up to 1.5 mbps. the supplied modem/router is an Arris nvg589. I'm not sure if it has 5g on it, but I think it has 2.4g. Does my internet speed matter if I got a dedicated router or would have to upgrade my internet plan?
your internet speed does not matter, what matters is how much data it can transfer between your headset and pc/laptop which is why a 5ghz band is so much better as the transfer speed difference is so massive
I have a big question cause imma be getting a vr ready gaming laptop soon; me and my sister are going to plan getting our own wifi router - I just wanna know if it would run smoothly if we were both playing virtual desktop games at the same time of using the cheapest option.
What about for absolutely huge open play spaces? Is there a significant range difference between these? I heard using a mesh for wireless VR can be an issue. Thoughts?
@@VirtualPandaVR We play in a huge space with nothing to run into and then just turn off the guardian. One person keeps on eye on things or we force the headsets into mixed reality mode so we can potentially run for hundreds of feet. Curious if you have any experience/success with trying to run VD or Airlink over a mesh. There shouldn't be any noticeable extra latency if all the mesh points are over ethernet but hoping to go wireless if possible.
Is the footage that you're showing in the video at all representative of how you play/tested VR games with these routers? You have constant framerate problems that would cause major stuttering regardless of anything relating to your network/router. Comparing stuttering between the routers with that kind of setup would be pointless. The experience is already terrible. I tried a TP-Link AX1500 a while back and it was a major downgrade over my old wifi 5 router. The only way to get rid of the constant stutter was to disable AX mode (wifi 6). Though, as I said, there would be no way to notice the additional stuttering if you're used to playing a stuttering game with constant frame-drops already.
All footage was recorded with the Oculus Quest 2's built in recording while connected to the various routers. Where are you seeing major stuttering/frame problems? Only time I remember getting that with this video was when using the $30 router. If the network isn't capable of sending all 90 frames, you'll lose frames and end up with stutters. My PC runs great, and my experience is amazing.
@@VirtualPandaVR I don't think there was a single clip in the video where you didn't have multiple frame drops below your 90Hz target (as measured by the Virtual Desktop performance overlay). A good way to test for performance trouble, without including network related factors, is to get/use some cheap link-cable and enable the Frame Drop Indicator in the Oculus Debug Tool. See here: developer.oculus.com/documentation/native/pc/dg-performance-indicator/ Can you play for a few minutes without seeing letters (Especially "F" and "C") flash in the bottom right of your screen? If you can't then doing any sort of comparison of router performance with your current settings is pointless. Your video description indicates you use an RTX 2060 yet you play some of the games with settings that would over-tax my RTX 3080. A card more than twice as powerful. Playing at 90Hz is extremely demanding in any VR game with more advanced graphics. I understand that what someone considers to be acceptable performance varies greatly between individuals. If you prefer higher settings over a smooth experience and you're happy with the result then more power to you. But again, it does invalidate any comparative testing. And, as another point of reference, a game that exhibited the sort of framerate instability seen throughout the video would never pass the approval process to be sold on the Oculus Quest store. There is a reason Oculus chooses to put in the effort of policing the framerate stability of native apps. Playing with that kind of stuttering would give me a headache before long.
Do you have any idea which versions of the AX50 have the stuttering problem? Because I just got ver 1.0 of the AX50 (not to be confused with the US Walmart only AX3000) and was wondering if it might be fine too like the ver 1.0 of the AX1500?
@@greengamerguy623 My AX3000 was wack and I couldn't both running it in AC/getting a new router. So I took the plunge and got an Index with a pulley system instead.
Hey Panda or whoever answers my question :P anyway so I saw you were streaming 90hrtz I have about the same setup with a rtx 2060 super and a ryzen 5 3600. Should I switch to 90hrtz I also run a tp link 1500. Anyway have a good one
I have a question, still new to the quest 2, if I go online and buy a 5ghz router. And set it up and connect my quest 2 to it. It’ll stream the data from there to headset not needing an actual internet connection?
@@VirtualPandaVR ah okay thanks, was wondering because my internet is pretty bad , so thought getting a 5ghz router won’t make sense. So since it doesn’t actually require a connection, might get one for when I don’t use my link cable.
Great video, cleared a ton of questions I had. What is your opinion on the ASUS AX1800 WiFi 6 (RT-AX56U) is it basically the same as the AX55 you recommend on this video? Thanks in advance (new subscriber here)
It looks pretty comparable to the AX55. Get it from somewhere with a good return policy, and if you get results worse than those shown in the video, return it and get the AX55. Im sure it'll work just as well tho
Do NOT buy ANY TPLink router, I bought the AX50 and it was the worst decision, massive stuttering in every game. For people who cannot return their TPLink router, a fix that I found was disabling the AX mode, use AC only or n/AC mode and you should experience minimal to no stuttering, only issue with that is you will lose your WiFI6 functionality which means lower speeds. You are not going to get what you paid for with the TPLink. I'm going to try the ASUS AX55 which is going to be ordered now, so I'll post an update on the performance.
What steps did you take to see if you could enable AX. With most domestic routers you need to clear the NVram if you have updated your firmware. Low level code is held within the NVram from previous versions and that can create problems. Using the rear pin hole reset method is best rather than a software option and never 30.30.30 these modern routers. Once reset set the router up again and do not use 160Mhz if it’s available as clients that don’t support it are known to have issues. Also check PMF if it offers it, some offer a set of rules ie forced, optional or off. Turn this off and try as PMF is a security protocol to help secure your Wi-Fi. If you are using WPA3 or WPA2/WPA3 try WPA2 only. If however you have tried all this yet it’s still not working as intended then reinstall the firmware manually followed by a reset and set up again and test. Wi-Fi 6 only offers marginal speed increases, most of the benefits are to do connectivity.
So I have a question I'm only paying for 100 Mbps so if I got a Wi-Fi 6 router what I notice any difference using my Oculus 2 for airlink or virtual desktop or in order to get the benefits what I need faster internet or any additional software or hardware on my computer?
The internet speeds are irrelevant. All that matters is the quality of the router, its positioning, and if it has a bunch of devices connected to it or not
Actually yes it does have some impact because if you had a very busy household and you managed for example via downloading or streaming and downloading or any application that is going to make use of all your available throughput in your network it’s going to start suffering. When you have a network that’s full of traffic we need to sit back and think how bad traffic is organised within a queueing system and how this impacts network performance. This means you need to look into how or if your router has traffic priority settings which are normally found in whatever QOS system they are running. Everything has an impact on performance and so it’s not just hardware but firmware and the combination together that make a good router.
Personally I think what the developers recommend makes more sense. That is use a PC with a direct wired connection, then stream WiFi to your headset via a WiFi card in your PC itself. Wireless + Wireless literally is just latency on top of latency.
They actually recommend against this. My mobo also has a wifi6e nic that even after disabling scanning and changing any settings in the adapter itself, it has a spike in lag every 10 seconds or so that last around 4-5seconds causing unplayable conditions. Seems to be due to Intel network drivers or something as I've already tried everything you can do. You are supposed to also use a Ethernet cable from the new router to your PC, the router sends the traffic directly to the PC without making the extra step to your gateway, even if you're getting an internet connection on the quest through the new router being used as a wap. You don't get any more latency with this method vs the one you are talking about. Did you ever look at the latency in game? You still get 30-40ms because of encoding/decoding. This method is way better in terms of performance consistency. Don't spread false info.
when your neighbor is using AX routers, there would be more trouble than you think. It happens when you live in a densely populated living environment like townhouse or condos or apartment. Shared wall houses would make WIFI6 deadly~ shared 5GHz band routers are not easy to coexist in close space.
quick question, so i want to build a gaming room with wireless airlinks. which is 1 router for 1 oculus quest if im correct because the bandwith. so if im using 2+ routers in close proximity, there will be a problem ?
@@FalconWingz88 you should connect each PCVR computer to separate routers. It's highly recommended. Never try to share them on the same WIFI mesh. You'd better have the routers on the separate channels which could be assigned on the router's config menus. Shared wireless channel will make things go crazy. I tried to use the same router with pc and quest2 via WIFI6 AX protocol, and the result was a real mess. Oculus wrote that the PC should be connected to the router via the LAN cable. That's correct. When the PC's are connected directly to separate routers, it would make 2~3 quest 2's work fine on the same WIFI6 mesh. However, the stability should be checked regarding your neighbors' channel setups. WIFI6 mesh shares the same background channel for packet distribution among the separate routers in the same mesh. That's the bottle neck which will determine the overall performance of your mesh. For multiple quest 2 PCVR devices in the same room, it's quite complicated than you think.
@@PaosElectronicDreams oh damn.... I have no experience in networking stuff.... I need to do some r&d i suppose....because I still need 4x quest 2s in one room... (6x6 meter room)
@@FalconWingz88 TRY 2 QUEST 2 for 1 router connected to two VRPCs. It works then try three~ If not, put one router for each PC and each quest 2. That's the norm.
got the asus ax5400 that i bought for 130 euro why because 1 i wanted a router for so long and 2 it came with dying light 1 and 2 don't regret the purchase at all
Just stay away from anything Netgear. Even in 2005, and trying a nighthawk r7000 recently, absolute junk. They work good for a bit! But sometimes the ethernet ports just give out. Then just a wireless band will give out. Even tried a wireless usb adapter a couple years back, sucker kept disconnecting.
Can I still get internet from my landlord's wifi to my PC while my PC is hooked up to the standalone router? I have a network card hooked to the PC as there's no ethernet cable. I think this is a common problem as not everyone has ethernet cables but still would like to go online in VR.
Have anyone try using the mobile hotspot function on Windows 10? That allows you to make an easier connection for your Oculus Quest 2 using a built-in Wi-Fi 6 card?
I've never tried it, so I can't say. But depending on your Router, that may reduce the quality because then all the quests will be competing for bandwidth from the router
You could do if you use AP to spread the load. If your router is a 2x2 then the problem is one device can only communicate at once which means like all networking devices have to queue. As latency is increased and if you ran clients that soak up the available bandwidth then you will see performance drop. By using APs to even the load you gain performance but it starts adding to costs. Off course you can’t have APs in the same room as most domestic routers don’t allow any control on the client connection so you end up having the clients either joint one AP or jumping about and there is always latency involved when a client moves even on fast roaming.
in addition, the GPU and CPU usage of the real-time low latency encoding and sending over wifi6 means something hideous. The users would require high-end GPU and CPU for less stuttering over the air. The GPU usage would go over 40% with no game but air link UI. The load of video encoder would be 20% and dedicated GPU memory usage would go over 4GB. Wireless VR over WIFI6 is not a cheap trick but pricey tooling~ LMAO
CPU, GPU, LATENCY, BITRATE etc are all related to each other at the same time for VR over WIFI6. That's why SONY and VIVE's high frequency wireless lossless transmission of the video screen is valued over decades without a doubt. For best result with your VR over WIFI6, it would cost more than 5 grand to be achieved in your room.
Hi Spooky, just to let you know I am involved in the router world and the problem with WiFi 6 is the standards as it’s very hard to insure that the router chipset has the ability to use the options within WiFi 6. Not all WiFi 6 routers use OFDMA both ways, TwT, Full BSS Coloring, PMF and so on. Now I know people are going to jump on the bandwagon of looking or saying Wi-Fi alliance certified router but unfortunately it’s not mandatory and it’s a private organisation and you have to pay for the privilege and while it’s a good step in the right direction a lot of routers aren’t on the list. The trouble with the cheaper end is they tend to be 2 x 2 which means a two by two client will maximise the connection i.e. other devices or clients have to wait until the primary client has finished talking before they can then talk to the router. As you step up to the more expensive routers they tend to be 4 x 4 or 8 x 8 and depending on the client you can have more devices or clients talking at the same time which then lowers latency as there is less time waiting. I have a bunch of Wi-Fi 6 Router is here from the Netgear RX120 to some unnamed devices and my main network is all unify which is Wi-Fi 5 and works very well with the quest 2. If you pop over to small net builders they have a forum and Tim who owns the forum does his own test on routers and so you’re able to flip through and see how they perform. Of course the tests are done in a lab set up so you can see the max performance so this will alter in a home environment as we are all unique. Wi-Fi 6. throughput does not offer a huge amount over Wi-Fi 5 when you’re looking at clients that are 2 x 2, for example My iPad Pro which is the latest model on a Wi-Fi five connection I cannot time they maxed throughput just over 700 on a really good day and max QAM but realistically I’m looking at around the 600 to 650 mark most of the time, taking into account when you walk away or have distance or obstacles that rate will drop. Wi-Fi 6 on the same client and remember the iPad is a 2 x 2 I get a max Throughput i’m around 850 but on average it’s round about 780 using the same reference as above.
@@Spooky585 haha well it’s a job to explain the ins and outs briefly so I did my best. If it helps 2024 should start to see WiFi 7 after Broadcoms announcement. Hope you are having a good start to 2022.
So I have my RT-AX55 dedicated to my Quest, and I was wondering if anyone knew which settings are gonna be best for VD? There are alot of settings that I really don't know anything about.
40 ms seems like alot. According to the SteamVR diagnostic window that pops up every time i play i have around 10 ms I bought a Ubiquity access point for around 100$ which i connected with cat6 cabels to trough my router to my pc. This has worked fine.
How much latency are you getting? Also 40 ms with the max bitrate. According to guy Godin, you only need 65 mbps bitrate for decent visuals, and lowering the bitrate reduces latency significantly
Sorry, I'm hijacking the top comment to get this seen about WiFi 5/6: Here's a thread of the performance of different routers that different users have reported in Virtual Desktop for Quest 2: www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/quest-2-virtual-desktop-performance-thread.18902756/ You can see how WiFi 5 routers (866mbps WiFi connection) perform identically to WiFi 6 routers (1300mbps WiFi connection). The data collection in this video seems thorough (although maxing the streaming bandwidth like he did is not recommended for any router in VD, which makes what he's testing not a real-world scenario) but from his data sample of one poorly performing 30 dollar WiFi 5 router he said "avoid this any any router like it" (i.e. all 30 dollar non-WiFi 6 routers). A sample size of one is not enough to make a conclusion like that, and I would certainly recommend peopl look at more statistics before making the decision to invest into the significantly higher cost of a WiFi 6 router which may yield no benefit to their experience. As the some of the other Quest users in the thread that I mentioned have, I too have had a great experience using my WiFi 5 router (main router) in my living room and have just bought another one for £7 off ebay to dedicate to Quest so I can use it in my bedroom. Here's a video looking benchmarking the difference in VD Quest 2 for WiFi 5/6 ua-cam.com/video/iAleyldEZxA/v-deo.html (note: unlike he suggests at the end, WiFi 6 does not improve the strength of the signal and will serve multiple users better unless they are all on WiFi 6 capable devices as well) A note from the official developer of Virtual Desktop: www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/lsa3lx/virtual_desktop_120_update_pcvr_streaming_now/gqj8il9/?context=3 None of the demos in this video hit above WiFi 5 streaming capabilities in terms of mbps. Yes it is important to check the router model you are getting, but that is true of any WiFi 6 as well, evn non-VR users are reporting connectivity issues with the newer WiFi 6 devices - its a new technologyso its to be expected, and not all manufacturers are made equal. Whether you are going WiFi 5 or 6 or buying any other technology, it is important to look past the label and check before quality and benchmarks you buy. TLDR: you should not get a WiFi 6 router for Oculus Quest 2 wireless streaming. You should get WiFi 6 for when you have a a large number of devices connecting to it all demanding alot of bandwidth cuasing congestion, and only when the majority of them are on WiFi 6 capable devices, otherwise there will be no benefit. This is especially important to note since it means you can get the same experience on a 10 dollar router as a 100 dollar one in almost every home in terms of Quest 2 usage.
@@crowswatching no, it'll say it's not connected to the internet and that's fine. I have a video explaining more details about that if you haven't seen it. I believe I link to it in the description of this video
Do not buy any router, just buy a usb wifi dongle for $15 and make sure your desktop pc have ethernet cable internet connection, problem solved thank me later 😉
@@ultimatesetup7866 Been there done that. So much trouble even to activate wifi. Not to mention there are several regulation on different countries that limit signal to max 40hz. I end up asking refund of my ax200
Doesn't matter what setup you have or what settings you use. Quest 2 at its fullest potential still has 3x mire latency than is acceptable for gaming. The best setup will average 30ms. You can dip below that but typically you will consistently be at 30ms and well over. Unacceptable. Then there is the compression issues. Quest 2 is fun for some simple games but its not a very good pcvr headset. Even a Rift S has better picture quality at lower resolution. Quest 3 needs to fix these issues and offer a true 1 to 1 image transfer. I am on a 11700\3080 and had been using my Quest 2 exclusively for the past few months. On a whim I hooked up my Rift S recently and was blown away at how much better it looks. I never noticed latency issues on my Quest but I was instantly better at all of the games I play when I went back to wired. It was a big difference both in latency and picture quality. Now my Quest is for mobile and some simple single player games.
We're talking about a DP connection VS usb-c/wireless. Of course it's going to look better on a rift s, but to hell with that SDE and cable I say lol. Like the video said, "do you even realize how short a millisecond is?" I've won plenty of gun fights over Virtual desktop, so it's kinda negligible for me and then with single player latency doesn't really matter whatsoever. I even recently tried to go back to cable, with a suspended set up and it's just horrible.. I'll just wait for wireless solutions to get better over time.
Do not use this video as reference. Video author has no clue what he is doing. His networking is constantly orange which means he failed to comprehend the basic knowledge of the topic. I have AX55 and it works flawlessly. This guy just cranks up everything up to 100% and expects it to work greatly exceeding the hardware possibilities. He's probably not even connected to router from PC by cable and uses Wifi both ways (pc router, router quest) which would explaing HORRIBLE Networking stats. It should not go over 5ms. There are better videos on the subject. Go to VD discord for the setup procedure.
So Guy Godin (developer of Virtual Desktop) commented on this video when I posted it to some private Facebook groups with the following advice:
"Btw, I recommend using the default options in the Streaming tab and enabling Sliced encoding; this will provide the smoothest experience. Keeping the VR bitrate at the default 65 Mbps should be more than enough for good image quality and decent latency. Cheers!"
I was just wondering since I have only 25 mb/s wifi download speed and like 200 mb/s upload speed would upgrading to wifi 6 with the Asus router work still?
You dont need good internet for VD, just a good router.
@@VirtualPandaVR Sweet, thank you
Was about to go with the TP-Link option before I saw your video, which led me to do more research. Thanks!
I got the TP Link AX1500 and it works flawlessly. Connected directly in to my pc upstairs via ethernet as an access point and can play on my Quest 2 downstairs wirelessly. Definitely recommend the TP Link router for the money
Sorry, I'm hijacking the top comment to get this seen about WiFi 5/6:
Here's a thread of the performance of different routers that different users have reported in Virtual Desktop for Quest 2:
[had to remove link, youtube kept deleting this comment]
You can see how WiFi 5 routers (866mbps WiFi connection) perform identically to WiFi 6 routers (1300mbps WiFi connection).
The data collection in this video seems thorough (although maxing the streaming bandwidth like he did is not recommended for any router in VD, which makes what he's testing not a real-world scenario) but from his data sample of one poorly performing 30 dollar WiFi 5 router he said "avoid this any any router like it" (i.e. all 30 dollar non-WiFi 6 routers). A sample size of one is not enough to make a conclusion like that, and I would certainly recommend peopl look at more statistics before making the decision to invest into the significantly higher cost of a WiFi 6 router which may yield no benefit to their experience.
As the some of the other Quest users in the thread that I mentioned have, I too have had a great experience using my WiFi 5 router (main router) in my living room and have just bought another one for £7 off ebay to dedicate to Quest so I can use it in my bedroom.
Here's a video looking benchmarking the difference in VD Quest 2 for WiFi 5/6 [had to remove link, youtube kept deleting comment] (note: unlike he suggests at the end, WiFi 6 does not improve the strength of the signal and will serve multiple users better unless they are all on WiFi 6 capable devices as well)
A note from the official developer of Virtual Desktop:
[had to delete link, youtube kept removing comment]
None of the demos in this video hit above WiFi 5 streaming capabilities in terms of mbps.
Yes it is important to check the router model you are getting, but that is true of any WiFi 6 as well, evn non-VR users are reporting connectivity issues with the newer WiFi 6 devices - its a new technologyso its to be expected, and not all manufacturers are made equal. Whether you are going WiFi 5 or 6 or buying any other technology, it is important to look past the label and check before quality and benchmarks you buy.
TLDR: you should not get a WiFi 6 router for Oculus Quest 2 wireless streaming. You should get WiFi 6 for when you have a a large number of devices connecting to it all demanding alot of bandwidth cuasing congestion, and only when the majority of them are on WiFi 6 capable devices, otherwise there will be no benefit.
This is especially important to note since it means you can get the same experience on a 10 dollar router as a 100 dollar one in almost every home in terms of Quest 2 usage.
I just got mines but I don't know how it works. Why do I need to connect it to the modem?
@@DevAnimate you don't need a modem just connect it directly to your pc and go into your router settings and turn on access point. I use my wireless card inside my pc for internet a access and its connection is shared with my Wifi 6 router (access point) to give my quest 2 Internet access so i can play online games.
EDIT forgot to mention my wireless card is connected wirelessly my main Virgin broadband router downstairs for Internet access only. This connection is also shared with my access point (wifi6 router which is wired to the back of my pc). My Oculus Quest 2 is the only device that connects to my wifi 6 router (access point), that way there are no other devices interfering with its connection directly to my pc hence no lag. If my quest 2 needs to access the Internet it goes through my access point via my pc wireless card then to my main router downstairs for internet access
@@steelyjace hey man I need help, I have the exact same setup as urs but my pc cannot connect to internet when it's plugged into the wifi 6 router. Pages won't load even tho I'm connected to my main modems wifi for internet
@@StriveForLuck sounds like you need to prioritize your wifi network over your ethernet network. Refer to this video for more info ua-cam.com/video/N87_l8KswtQ/v-deo.html
I've been using the wifi/modem provided by my ISP and TBH it works just fine with between 40-60 ms (i know it's a huge disparity but it usually does not oscillate) and i use it as my home main router, at first it used to stutter a lot but after tweaking VD it almost never does now. And apparently it's capable of 800mbs wifi so I'm impressed if nothing else.
All 5ghz WiFi 5 routers can theoretically do 866mb/s
I have the TP-Link AC1200 and AX1500. The 1200 outperforms the AX1500 in every single area, from my extensive testing. With the AX1500, I was getting a lot of craptastic results with the Virtual Desktop overlay (middle section, network stats). The network numbers were always in the orange. Low FPS and higher latency in-game, too. This was with my router set to "802.11 a/n/ac/ax mixed" (with AX mode in there). Changing it to "a/n/ac mixed" (without AX) cut those crappy numbers in half or less. The AX mode is definitely the problem (I'm on the 1.1.0 firmware and hardware 1.20, which apparently is the problematic version).
Trying out the ASUS RT-AX55, as recommended, at 6:52. It's only a little more expensive than the AX1500. I'm sure I'll get more better results. In general, the AX1500 has worked pretty well, but not always. Network spikes happened constantly, and some games had worse results than others. AC1200-- no spikes. And it's half the price. But I think in general, the ASUS ones are the way to go.
Hope this helps others!
Did you test the AX55? Were there better results?
this what u call dedication
I'm using a TP-Link AX-1800 router, solely for my Quest 2--it solved horrible problems I was having with my Verizon GS3100 router. I've updated the firmware, use it in access point mode, and only enable the 5ghz channel--the 5ghz channel is disabled on my Verizon router too, to avoid interference. So far it has been fantastic, great latency, ~40ms over Airlink@ 120Hz no problem, but for now I play at 90Hz and increase the Render Resolution to 4128x2096, and I connect at 100Mbps fixed. When playing Half-Life Alyx at high settings, on a 3080 w/ a Ryzen 3600, I'm getting buttery-smooth, beautiful looking gameplay. Honestly, ANY router can come out of the box a lemon, so maybe that was the experience people were having. My new TP-Link is great so far, has performed 2-3 hour gaming sessions with ease. I'm not done playing around with settings, barely had it a week, but initial impressions are it's great for the Quest 2.
Was looking for a comment like this, found it difficult to get comparisons for this Router, literally just impulse bought it £50 off from Amazon to replace my TP-Link Archer C6, which works fine, but it does have stuttering issues and know that a WiFi 6 upgrade for only £30 more would be preferable and return my Archer C6, so thanks for the peace of mind :D
I use this router aswell. When used only for q2 it gives me great performance
Network shouldn't go orange, reduce bitrate. Enable sliced encoding for RTX 2060. Use Steam performance overlay and look for red spikes as one check for stuttering.
The AX86U supports DFS channels (e.g. 100), which is key for many people to get dedicated bandwidth.
Sustained stability of high rate data stream is as an important as latency and cheaper routers tend to perform worse.
The ASUS routers just work for VD, YMMV otherwise.
Very good advice. For these tests, I purposefully used the maximum bitrate without sliced encoding. In actual use, I would have the bitrate at about 90 with sliced encoding enabled.
@@VirtualPandaVR Maybe test again with more reasonable settings? Maxed out bitrate is just giving faulty data.
@@SonicTheCat if a router works good at the max bitrate, it'll look good with other settings. But if it can't even handle the max bitrate of 60, its not worth using.
@@VirtualPandaVR Well not necessarily, with the bitrate on max, the overall latency is higher, which may cover up issues. It's totally possible that the routers behave differently in low latency situations. Ideally your test conditions would be similar to the recommended real world settings, otherwise you're testing and stressing different things to what people actually want and use.
I got a TP-Link AX5400 and it's completely liberating for my vr setup.
I was going to get that but I got the AX3000 AX55, It is a game changer for me, Rigged with the Sky Modem I use, And damn I am blown away with AMS 2.....
Here is another good option. I just set up a Unifi 6 Lite Access Point, and it's killer, especially for $100. You can easily handle having many devices connected, and it supports Wifi-6 like the Q2. I've gotten as high as 1200mbps. :o Just note, it's not very beginner friendly, so you'll need to do a little research if you're unfamiliar with networking. Make sure to get a PoE injector and one of their Ethernet cables so you can mount it on the wall and power it with that.
I have the same one Archer AX10 works great for me never had a issue unless I had tons of other devices on when I'm using VR but still fixed that by making my device first priority over any other on the Network
Just to help people looking here to save some money: WiFi 6 performs identically as Wifi 5 for Quest 2 Virtual Desktop .
Check in forums recording their performance and youtube videos comparing Quest 2 performance on the different protocols. There is no difference in performance.
Here's a thread of the performance of different routers that different users have reported in Virtual Desktop for Quest 2:
[had to remove link, youtube kept deleting this comment]
You can see how WiFi 5 routers (866mbps WiFi connection) perform identically to WiFi 6 routers (1300mbps WiFi connection).
The data collection in this video seems thorough (although maxing the streaming bandwidth like he did is not recommended for any router in VD, which makes what he's testing not a real-world scenario) but from his data sample of one poorly performing 30 dollar WiFi 5 router he said "avoid this any any router like it" (i.e. all 30 dollar non-WiFi 6 routers). A sample size of one is not enough to make a conclusion like that, and I would certainly recommend peopl look at more statistics before making the decision to invest into the significantly higher cost of a WiFi 6 router which may yield no benefit to their experience.
As the some of the other Quest users in the thread that I mentioned have, I too have had a great experience using my WiFi 5 router (main router) in my living room and have just bought another one for £7 off ebay to dedicate to Quest so I can use it in my bedroom.
Here's a video looking benchmarking the difference in VD Quest 2 for WiFi 5/6 [had to remove link, youtube kept deleting comment] (note: unlike he suggests at the end, WiFi 6 does not improve the strength of the signal and will serve multiple users better unless they are all on WiFi 6 capable devices as well)
A note from the official developer of Virtual Desktop:
[had to delete link, youtube kept removing comment]
None of the demos in this video hit above WiFi 5 streaming capabilities in terms of mbps.
Yes it is important to check the router model you are getting, but that is true of any WiFi 6 as well, evn non-VR users are reporting connectivity issues with the newer WiFi 6 devices - its a new technologyso its to be expected, and not all manufacturers are made equal. Whether you are going WiFi 5 or 6 or buying any other technology, it is important to look past the label and check before quality and benchmarks you buy.
TLDR: you should not get a WiFi 6 router for Oculus Quest 2 wireless streaming. You should get WiFi 6 for when you have a a large number of devices connecting to it all demanding alot of bandwidth cuasing congestion, and only when the majority of them are on WiFi 6 capable devices, otherwise there will be no benefit.
This is especially important to note since it means you can get the same experience on a 10 dollar router as a 100 dollar one in almost every home in terms of Quest 2 usage.
I had problems with Archer AX50. Worthless for VR due to dual core CPU limitations. (Or maybe a design flaw in cable communication to PC) Constant hicups.
Wifi 6 can indeed performs identically as Wifi 5 if you are the only user of your network. But if you share it with others, Wifi 6 do a better job by not let the connections interfere with one another.
At least in theory.
@@NicheAsQuiche It didn't for me I noticed a huge difference but then again I had alot lower performance router previously 🤷🏻♂️
@@Sh4dovv was it WiFi 5 A.K.A. 802.11ac?
@@NicheAsQuiche I believe so ya. Just cheap router couldn't handle all the network traffic I'm assuming and my quest 2 is only thing besides my phone that runs on the 5g now others are on the 2.4 band of new wifi 6 router I got made big difference overall
I bought the TPLink AX3000 for Air Link and I've been having massive stutters, an absolutely unplayable experience.
The issue with the router is that it can't handle the WiFi 6 mode correctly, at least in my case. If I put the WiFi connection to 802.11ax Air Link is unusable, but if I switch it to 802.11ac it works perfectly fine, almost no stutters up to 120-130 Mbps.
Fortunately I could return it, since my basic ac modem router works a bit better. And it isn't even a good one.
I don't know if there are just a lot of faulty units or what, but I surely wouldn't recommend this router to anyone.
Same issue here, I tried multiple settings and the stutter comes enventually even using 802.11ac. I searched on multiple forums and the issue appears to be due to the heating problem. Some users fixed it by putting a small fan below the router.
Since I bought it recently, I returned and ordered an ASUS RT-AC86U. Hope it works better.
@@lordmaker that sounds strange, my unit didn't heat up that much, it was warm in the center but nothing crazy.
Anyway we were lucky to return the router, sure I don't envy those that bought the router months before just to discover it doesn't work
@Prairie Da Dog Yup, the ASUS router worked just fine even without Wifi 6. There are issues when I play in further rooms but that's predictable.
I got a TP-Link AX3000 AX55 Archer Router, Linked with the Sky modem, I had the best AMS 2 experience I ever had last night, The steering wheel in my hand and the steering wheel on the game, Is spot on, Instant, I realized I was faster than I ever been, There is a setting that allows 1000mbps so if your internet ISP is fast you will get every bit of internet speed, I am blown away by the AX 3000 AX55 Archer from TP-Link, I highly recommend the TP-Link AX3000 AX55 Router, Not, Na Na stuttering at all, Honestly the AX3000 is an amazing Router......
Reason for getting more expensive router would be Tri-band which allows you to have a 5ghz network purely for your headset whilst still having a 2.4 and 5ghz band for your home
spent an entire day trying to figure out why the AX3000 from tp link was giving me a ton of frame drops, especially with head movement. If only i did some research, the AX3000 is to be completely avoided for VR. Returning.
Getting the AX1800 from Asus, hopefully that works better
Was the AX 1800 better I'm considering getting it
@@Chad-mx1pd yep its been perfect no issues
thanks for the heads up. looking at getting the asus ax1800 soon
Hey panda. Just asking do you know how to use 80MHZ router option on an ArcherX21 TP-LINK AX-1800?
I already have the AX55 coincidentally and I have had no issues with it at all for anything. However I still prefer link cable especially in games like Blade and Sorcery where hand tracking is more consistent and the game overall feels smoother.
I was getting horrible latency/stuttering on the ax1500. After spending days scouring the internet and messing with tons of settings, I picked up the recommended ASUS. It’s been a massive improvement with a super smooth VR experience. The TPLink is going straight back to Wally World. I’m guessing the TP stands for toilet paper bc this router is garbage for VR, and they don’t seem very anxious to fix it. Their website just instructs page after page of forum users to get in contact with their engineers while acknowledging the problem but offering no solutions. This has been ongoing for quite while. Thanks for a helpful vid, I was losing my mind over this!!!
I actually saw a fair performance difference between the TP Link ax1800 and the Asus ax5700.
It's also worth pointing out that the Dev currently says that OFMDA can cause issues in some cases, and you may want to try disabling it on a TP Link router, particularly the ax 1500.
I actually upgraded my router due to upgrading a couple of PCs in my home with Wifi 6 cards, and wanted something that had Wifi 6 and could handle them all at once without killing wifi VR performance when everyone was on the wifi at the same time, as well as some of the media server and traffic management features like OFDMA and Mu-Mimo.
Also, a faster internal processor on the router can have an impact on latency as well. Not a huge one, but it can get you a few, which can be the difference between 40+ and being in the upper 30s. 40 is about the point where you'll start to notice latency issues, and you absolutely want to be sub 50 ms for a good experience.
I did not spend $250 just for a slight VR performance difference.
However, the higher power signal actually did have a noticeable positive impact on my performance. Even more demanding titles like Alyx are in the 36 ms range.
Some stuff I can get as little as 18-21 ms. This is extremely rare as most stuff is in the 26-36 ms range.
I went from a fairly decent but constantly fluctuating signal that ranged from 500-1200, usually in the 800-1000 range, to a rock solid 1200 mbps all the time.
This is probably due to brute forcing past signal pollution from other networks nearby and some of the other network traffic management features in the router helping isolate the HMD.
Yes, I did set up my router properly, experimented with ax and ac, and found the best channels and all that.
Basically, the biggest limitation I have with wireless VR is how fast the Quest 2 processor can decode the signal, and HVEC is actually the better codec to use in my case due to that.
H.256 is a great codec that breaks up things a little more making it easier to get the data to the Quest on a lesser signal, but the Quest also has to put it back together which can result in more artifacts. If you have the signal and latency headroom, absolutely go with HVEC instead.
I will say that this isn't a hugely significant performance boost above the TP Link in the vast majority of VR titles.
However, for stuff like Beat Saber or Synth Ryders, where ms latency is a big factor in gameplay, it can be the difference between whether it's worth it to bust out the Link Cable to play or not.
Also, future proofing is a thing. As VD and Air Link advance and become more optimized, they'll be able to take advantage of more advanced features on some routers.
An ax 1500 might be great right now if you're on a budget and just want a short term solution, but something a bit nicer will likely be better in the long run. Not necessarily ax 5700 nice, but it is a good idea to spend a little bit more on something better than an ax1500 or ax1800 as you'll probably be using it for a while.
That Asus ax55 is a good option for that and about where you want to be for decent wireless VR.
What do u think about asus rx-56u? Is it better than asus rx-55? Because the cost difference is really slim, and i read the specs is better, but it only have 2 antennas
Fantastic video, i think you might have just saved me a lot of headaches with the recommendation's you have made!
Virtual Desktop 1.20.18 update is a game changer - I used to only be able to use up to 90 Mbps bitrate before network latency starts skyrocketing beyond 10-15 ms (like what's seen in this video). But now after the update (it disables encryption by default for local network), I can crank the bitrate up to the max 150 Mbps AND experience **reduced** network latency of 4-6 ms consistently!
May I know which wifi router you have?
@@ariannik7439 RT-AX82
Tp link ax-10? Got recommended on a different channel being better than the 500$ Asus :) I'm guessing it can be set to AX only? Would maximize performance of it works as it would rely on wifi 6 that is not as crowded as wifi 5 where i live in a apartment complex
ey just buyed ax1500 for my self second hand for 25 bucks xD other options were much much much more expensive in were im from works amazingly altho mine was ver.1.0 thnx for the video
Has the issue been fixed since the video has been made for the TP-Link Archer AX1500 ?
Im using TP-Link Archer C6 1200 and while I do not see stuttering (thanks to AirLink's ASW) I do however get quite constant lag spikes. Most probably it is caused by the crowded wifi channels, however if you're considering my router be aware that it supports only 4 5GHz channels (38, 40, 44, 48) and those channels are mostly used by all other network devices (in the neighborhood). Thinking of AX55 or AX56U right now since in EU they support a lot more channels (AX55 supports 36,40,44,48,52,56,60,64,100,104,108,112 channels if my supplier didn't lie).
I have the AX1500 router too, but the connections never stays consistantly on 1200mb/s. Is this normal? I have it in 5ghz only, AP mode, comnected to pc with ethernet. Any tips?
I'm thinking of getting the TP-LInk Wifi 6 AX1800 Router, because it's newer then the AX1500. What do you think of it?
Most routers will work fine if there's only a couple of devices connected. Good routers are needed when you have a number of devices. A household of 5 people probably has around 10-20 devices which could justify a $250 router if all devices were to work well.
Don't know how long I missed this information, that I don't need a cable anymore. What a relief!
It's really the best. The market seems to be moving away from PC-VR, but tech like this makes it much more appealing. I bought my Quest 2 a few months ago and have never used the link cable, it's great.
video helped me out . i got Asus rt-ax55 £75.99 from amazon
Damn! Thats so cheep... Its at £99 now...
how is it working? looking at getting one tomorrow
Pro tip: Guy Godin (creator of VD) doesn't recommend it... but you 'can' use some USB receivers to also act as the hotspot, basically removing network latency from the equation. I've had good luck with it, but it does require jumping through some hoops in Windows settings to force the right frequencies to be used.
Yeah, it's due to legal restrictions around 5Ghz mobile hotspots cause theyre used in radar a lot. The assumption seems to be that a router won't be mobile, so it can make a 5Ghz WAP, but a PC/laptop may be moving around, so to keep radars consistent they shouldnt be able to.
The way it seems to be avoided is by first connecting your PC to a 5Ghz WiFi router, disconnecting ethernet, then turning your PCs hotspot on, then connecting a mobile phone to the hotspot, then connecting the Quest 2 to your PCs hotspot. Is that something like what you did?
Are you referring to a USB wireless adapter when you say "USB receiver? That has worked for me in the past but wasn't nearly as good for wireless VR as my dedicated wifi router. Let me know
I'm not a complete expert, but Wi-Fi 6 offers full-duplex, while lesser Wi-Fi standards don't. A VR headset is obviously going to benefit tremendously from full-duplex communication, it's a necessity for smooth gameplay imo.
you know any guides for this by chance?
The RT-AX55 was on Sale on amazon from 115 to just 80€
In the comments, many said their router would break after a few months. I took the risk and ordered one.
Then I tried to return my Link cable. Today is the last day i can return it. When i use the official oculus site, and try to return it, it says it can't... because they cant confirm my address. wtf?
I bought it with the same address.
You never know what you're missing until try something better. I was content with my old Apple Router until I got the Asus RT AX55. The combination of Virtual Desktop's SSW and Wi-Fi 6 I was able to get 120Hz at Medium settings with a bite rate of 133. With my RTX 2080 Super I get a latency 35-41 sometimes spiking higher. I can get better latency with a lower bit rate but for the games I play it's more than fine. The visual difference is night and day. I was satisfied with my old router but now I am could never go back. It's like getting cataract surgery and now I able to see clearly.
I was thinking about buying this router as a dedicated router for my quest 2 I have a 3060 not sure how to play with the virtual desktop settings tho
@@dustinchristian6043 With a dedicated router, do you just plug it into your modem along with the already existing router?
@@ES-wn4oq I plug my dedicated router into the modem and plug the secondary router everyone else uses into the dedicated router...that way everyone else is using the secondary and I'm the only one using my dedicated wireless singnal
@@ES-wn4oq also I've been playing with it and virtual desktop for a while now with no problems the occasional lag but mostly runs smooth as butter
I have a question, can I have my laptop connected to my main router which has internet access to play say Pavlov Multiplayer, but have the game streaming via a wifi 6 Archer AX55 with the Quest 2 only connected to the Wifi 6 router?
Sorry, I’m a bit late, but I’m here so pls don’t scratch my lenses
I just got the AX55 on Amazon for $75.00, so stoked!!!!
You luck b... I'm in denial right now; You don't exist and you didn't pay half the price I did. lol great deal!
I'm thinking about buying a TP-Link. I have at&t internet 12 plan. the download speed is up to 12 mbps and uploads are up to 1.5 mbps. the supplied modem/router is an Arris nvg589. I'm not sure if it has 5g on it, but I think it has 2.4g. Does my internet speed matter if I got a dedicated router or would have to upgrade my internet plan?
your internet speed does not matter, what matters is how much data it can transfer between your headset and pc/laptop which is why a 5ghz band is so much better as the transfer speed difference is so massive
I have a big question cause imma be getting a vr ready gaming laptop soon; me and my sister are going to plan getting our own wifi router - I just wanna know if it would run smoothly if we were both playing virtual desktop games at the same time of using the cheapest option.
Not sure... I have never tried this. But I would guess that it won't work well
i am using wifi5 with 802.11ac and i play games on 135 Mbps. i thought wifi6 can handle more?
What about for absolutely huge open play spaces? Is there a significant range difference between these? I heard using a mesh for wireless VR can be an issue. Thoughts?
The largest is 25 ft square. A single router should work for that I'd think as long as nothing is physically blocking the signal.
@@VirtualPandaVR We play in a huge space with nothing to run into and then just turn off the guardian. One person keeps on eye on things or we force the headsets into mixed reality mode so we can potentially run for hundreds of feet. Curious if you have any experience/success with trying to run VD or Airlink over a mesh. There shouldn't be any noticeable extra latency if all the mesh points are over ethernet but hoping to go wireless if possible.
Is the footage that you're showing in the video at all representative of how you play/tested VR games with these routers? You have constant framerate problems that would cause major stuttering regardless of anything relating to your network/router. Comparing stuttering between the routers with that kind of setup would be pointless. The experience is already terrible.
I tried a TP-Link AX1500 a while back and it was a major downgrade over my old wifi 5 router. The only way to get rid of the constant stutter was to disable AX mode (wifi 6). Though, as I said, there would be no way to notice the additional stuttering if you're used to playing a stuttering game with constant frame-drops already.
All footage was recorded with the Oculus Quest 2's built in recording while connected to the various routers. Where are you seeing major stuttering/frame problems? Only time I remember getting that with this video was when using the $30 router.
If the network isn't capable of sending all 90 frames, you'll lose frames and end up with stutters. My PC runs great, and my experience is amazing.
@@VirtualPandaVR I don't think there was a single clip in the video where you didn't have multiple frame drops below your 90Hz target (as measured by the Virtual Desktop performance overlay). A good way to test for performance trouble, without including network related factors, is to get/use some cheap link-cable and enable the Frame Drop Indicator in the Oculus Debug Tool. See here: developer.oculus.com/documentation/native/pc/dg-performance-indicator/
Can you play for a few minutes without seeing letters (Especially "F" and "C") flash in the bottom right of your screen? If you can't then doing any sort of comparison of router performance with your current settings is pointless.
Your video description indicates you use an RTX 2060 yet you play some of the games with settings that would over-tax my RTX 3080. A card more than twice as powerful. Playing at 90Hz is extremely demanding in any VR game with more advanced graphics.
I understand that what someone considers to be acceptable performance varies greatly between individuals. If you prefer higher settings over a smooth experience and you're happy with the result then more power to you. But again, it does invalidate any comparative testing. And, as another point of reference, a game that exhibited the sort of framerate instability seen throughout the video would never pass the approval process to be sold on the Oculus Quest store. There is a reason Oculus chooses to put in the effort of policing the framerate stability of native apps. Playing with that kind of stuttering would give me a headache before long.
Do you have any idea which versions of the AX50 have the stuttering problem? Because I just got ver 1.0 of the AX50 (not to be confused with the US Walmart only AX3000) and was wondering if it might be fine too like the ver 1.0 of the AX1500?
I have the AX3000 works perfectly is even better to have that then the 1500 or 1800 as those will not reach their max but the 2400mbps of the ax3000
@@greengamerguy623 My AX3000 was wack and I couldn't both running it in AC/getting a new router. So I took the plunge and got an Index with a pulley system instead.
Should your pc be direct wired or would it be fine on WiFi?
Hey Panda or whoever answers my question :P anyway so I saw you were streaming 90hrtz I have about the same setup with a rtx 2060 super and a ryzen 5 3600. Should I switch to 90hrtz I also run a tp link 1500. Anyway have a good one
For most games you should be good at 90 hz. I only lower it if I'm having issues running a game
@@VirtualPandaVR awesome thanks for responding
FYI TP-link archer C6 works but i have fps drops after about 60 minutes gameplay, ordered the c2300 will see if that one stays stable.
I have a question, still new to the quest 2, if I go online and buy a 5ghz router. And set it up and connect my quest 2 to it. It’ll stream the data from there to headset not needing an actual internet connection?
Yep. Doesn't require an actual internet connection if it's connected to your headset via 5ghz and connected to your PC via ethernet.
@@VirtualPandaVR ah okay thanks, was wondering because my internet is pretty bad , so thought getting a 5ghz router won’t make sense. So since it doesn’t actually require a connection, might get one for when I don’t use my link cable.
I picked up the tp link yesterday and it's perfect, FYI the tp link is mesh also
Mine was free. From vodaphone with my monthly account. Works better than link so far.
Great video, cleared a ton of questions I had. What is your opinion on the ASUS AX1800 WiFi 6 (RT-AX56U) is it basically the same as the AX55 you recommend on this video? Thanks in advance (new subscriber here)
It looks pretty comparable to the AX55. Get it from somewhere with a good return policy, and if you get results worse than those shown in the video, return it and get the AX55. Im sure it'll work just as well tho
Thanks for the quick response! I got it from Amazon 👍
@@denlvr5606 how is the router for VR? I'm considering getting the same one
@@Chad-mx1pd it has been work great for me so far (8 months) I play MSFS, NMS, Project cars, etc with no hiccups.
@@denlvr5606 thanks for the reply I'm gonna get it and try it out!
Do NOT buy ANY TPLink router, I bought the AX50 and it was the worst decision, massive stuttering in every game. For people who cannot return their TPLink router, a fix that I found was disabling the AX mode, use AC only or n/AC mode and you should experience minimal to no stuttering, only issue with that is you will lose your WiFI6 functionality which means lower speeds. You are not going to get what you paid for with the TPLink. I'm going to try the ASUS AX55 which is going to be ordered now, so I'll post an update on the performance.
What steps did you take to see if you could enable AX. With most domestic routers you need to clear the NVram if you have updated your firmware. Low level code is held within the NVram from previous versions and that can create problems. Using the rear pin hole reset method is best rather than a software option and never 30.30.30 these modern routers.
Once reset set the router up again and do not use 160Mhz if it’s available as clients that don’t support it are known to have issues.
Also check PMF if it offers it, some offer a set of rules ie forced, optional or off. Turn this off and try as PMF is a security protocol to help secure your Wi-Fi.
If you are using WPA3 or WPA2/WPA3 try WPA2 only.
If however you have tried all this yet it’s still not working as intended then reinstall the firmware manually followed by a reset and set up again and test.
Wi-Fi 6 only offers marginal speed increases, most of the benefits are to do connectivity.
So I have a question I'm only paying for 100 Mbps so if I got a Wi-Fi 6 router what I notice any difference using my Oculus 2 for airlink or virtual desktop or in order to get the benefits what I need faster internet or any additional software or hardware on my computer?
The internet speeds are irrelevant. All that matters is the quality of the router, its positioning, and if it has a bunch of devices connected to it or not
Actually yes it does have some impact because if you had a very busy household and you managed for example via downloading or streaming and downloading or any application that is going to make use of all your available throughput in your network it’s going to start suffering. When you have a network that’s full of traffic we need to sit back and think how bad traffic is organised within a queueing system and how this impacts network performance. This means you need to look into how or if your router has traffic priority settings which are normally found in whatever QOS system they are running.
Everything has an impact on performance and so it’s not just hardware but firmware and the combination together that make a good router.
@@Minpeace not if you use a dedicated router that isn't even connected to the internet. Which is what I do. Lol
@@VirtualPandaVR seems my reply is being deleted?
I'm not deleting it, and it's not showing up for me to review... weird.
will the to pink ax1800 be better than my xfinity xb6a router
Have a tplink ax1800 and it works fantastic
at which bitrate?
What about the TP-Link Archer C2300?
Bought an AX3000/AX50 and can't connect to WiFi6 with my quest 2... help? Changing the 5GHZ to any other standard works, but AX won't...
Return it if you can. It doesn't seem that a fix coming anytime. I regret I haven't.
You will not have a smooth gameplay.
@@rafaelofferni4258 I fixed my problem, chaning the security to auto did it. Haven´t had any more issues yet. AX is working.
is the netgear nighthawk pro gaming 6 wifi 6 a good option for the entire house and gaming
Dodged a bullet. I got the AX1500 but I bought it refurbished, so it's V1.0. Lucky I always buy refurbished when I can.
UDMPRO + U6 AP. $750 setup because I wanted cameras and got AP free and because why not 😂. I hope it works well.
Personally I think what the developers recommend makes more sense. That is use a PC with a direct wired connection, then stream WiFi to your headset via a WiFi card in your PC itself. Wireless + Wireless literally is just latency on top of latency.
They actually recommend against this. My mobo also has a wifi6e nic that even after disabling scanning and changing any settings in the adapter itself, it has a spike in lag every 10 seconds or so that last around 4-5seconds causing unplayable conditions.
Seems to be due to Intel network drivers or something as I've already tried everything you can do.
You are supposed to also use a Ethernet cable from the new router to your PC, the router sends the traffic directly to the PC without making the extra step to your gateway, even if you're getting an internet connection on the quest through the new router being used as a wap.
You don't get any more latency with this method vs the one you are talking about. Did you ever look at the latency in game? You still get 30-40ms because of encoding/decoding.
This method is way better in terms of performance consistency. Don't spread false info.
I'm using a Meraki MR33 access point and I legit don't know if it's good enough
my networking is kind of high is that from the router
Any ideas if a nighthawk ac1750 would run vr i only have the isp modem atm
Please. Tell us what wifi service should we get
when your neighbor is using AX routers, there would be more trouble than you think. It happens when you live in a densely populated living environment like townhouse or condos or apartment. Shared wall houses would make WIFI6 deadly~ shared 5GHz band routers are not easy to coexist in close space.
quick question, so i want to build a gaming room with wireless airlinks. which is 1 router for 1 oculus quest if im correct because the bandwith. so if im using 2+ routers in close proximity, there will be a problem ?
@@FalconWingz88 you should connect each PCVR computer to separate routers. It's highly recommended. Never try to share them on the same WIFI mesh. You'd better have the routers on the separate channels which could be assigned on the router's config menus. Shared wireless channel will make things go crazy. I tried to use the same router with pc and quest2 via WIFI6 AX protocol, and the result was a real mess. Oculus wrote that the PC should be connected to the router via the LAN cable. That's correct. When the PC's are connected directly to separate routers, it would make 2~3 quest 2's work fine on the same WIFI6 mesh. However, the stability should be checked regarding your neighbors' channel setups. WIFI6 mesh shares the same background channel for packet distribution among the separate routers in the same mesh. That's the bottle neck which will determine the overall performance of your mesh. For multiple quest 2 PCVR devices in the same room, it's quite complicated than you think.
@@PaosElectronicDreams oh damn.... I have no experience in networking stuff.... I need to do some r&d i suppose....because I still need 4x quest 2s in one room... (6x6 meter room)
@@FalconWingz88 air link is not a traditional networking practice. It changed a lot since April this year.
@@FalconWingz88 TRY 2 QUEST 2 for 1 router connected to two VRPCs. It works then try three~ If not, put one router for each PC and each quest 2. That's the norm.
got the asus ax5400 that i bought for 130 euro why because 1 i wanted a router for so long and 2 it came with dying light 1 and 2 don't regret the purchase at all
You need to use proper model names. Tp-Link has several AC1200 routers. The cheapo one you used here sucked because it doesn't have gigabit ports.
Also, Yellow numbers means bad. ;)
Just stay away from anything Netgear. Even in 2005, and trying a nighthawk r7000 recently, absolute junk. They work good for a bit! But sometimes the ethernet ports just give out. Then just a wireless band will give out. Even tried a wireless usb adapter a couple years back, sucker kept disconnecting.
Can I still get internet from my landlord's wifi to my PC while my PC is hooked up to the standalone router?
I have a network card hooked to the PC as there's no ethernet cable.
I think this is a common problem as not everyone has ethernet cables but still would like to go online in VR.
Yes, refer to this video for more information: ua-cam.com/video/N87_l8KswtQ/v-deo.html
@@VirtualPandaVR Thank you very much :)
Have anyone try using the mobile hotspot function on Windows 10? That allows you to make an easier connection for your Oculus Quest 2 using a built-in Wi-Fi 6 card?
hey guys, quick question.
Can I use 1 Router to Airlink more than 1 Quest ?
for example 4 Oculus Quest 2s ?
I've never tried it, so I can't say. But depending on your Router, that may reduce the quality because then all the quests will be competing for bandwidth from the router
You could do if you use AP to spread the load. If your router is a 2x2 then the problem is one device can only communicate at once which means like all networking devices have to queue. As latency is increased and if you ran clients that soak up the available bandwidth then you will see performance drop. By using APs to even the load you gain performance but it starts adding to costs. Off course you can’t have APs in the same room as most domestic routers don’t allow any control on the client connection so you end up having the clients either joint one AP or jumping about and there is always latency involved when a client moves even on fast roaming.
in addition, the GPU and CPU usage of the real-time low latency encoding and sending over wifi6 means something hideous. The users would require high-end GPU and CPU for less stuttering over the air. The GPU usage would go over 40% with no game but air link UI. The load of video encoder would be 20% and dedicated GPU memory usage would go over 4GB. Wireless VR over WIFI6 is not a cheap trick but pricey tooling~ LMAO
CPU, GPU, LATENCY, BITRATE etc are all related to each other at the same time for VR over WIFI6. That's why SONY and VIVE's high frequency wireless lossless transmission of the video screen is valued over decades without a doubt. For best result with your VR over WIFI6, it would cost more than 5 grand to be achieved in your room.
I just got some random $60 or so wifi 6 router, is this good?
Hi Spooky, just to let you know I am involved in the router world and the problem with WiFi 6 is the standards as it’s very hard to insure that the router chipset has the ability to use the options within WiFi 6. Not all WiFi 6 routers use OFDMA both ways, TwT, Full BSS Coloring, PMF and so on.
Now I know people are going to jump on the bandwagon of looking or saying Wi-Fi alliance certified router but unfortunately it’s not mandatory and it’s a private organisation and you have to pay for the privilege and while it’s a good step in the right direction a lot of routers aren’t on the list.
The trouble with the cheaper end is they tend to be 2 x 2 which means a two by two client will maximise the connection i.e. other devices or clients have to wait until the primary client has finished talking before they can then talk to the router. As you step up to the more expensive routers they tend to be 4 x 4 or 8 x 8 and depending on the client you can have more devices or clients talking at the same time which then lowers latency as there is less time waiting.
I have a bunch of Wi-Fi 6 Router is here from the Netgear RX120 to some unnamed devices and my main network is all unify which is Wi-Fi 5 and works very well with the quest 2.
If you pop over to small net builders they have a forum and Tim who owns the forum does his own test on routers and so you’re able to flip through and see how they perform. Of course the tests are done in a lab set up so you can see the max performance so this will alter in a home environment as we are all unique.
Wi-Fi 6. throughput does not offer a huge amount over Wi-Fi 5 when you’re looking at clients that are 2 x 2, for example My iPad Pro which is the latest model on a Wi-Fi five connection I cannot time they maxed throughput just over 700 on a really good day and max QAM but realistically I’m looking at around the 600 to 650 mark most of the time, taking into account when you walk away or have distance or obstacles that rate will drop. Wi-Fi 6 on the same client and remember the iPad is a 2 x 2 I get a max Throughput i’m around 850 but on average it’s round about 780 using the same reference as above.
@@Minpeace I just want to know how long it took you to write all of that lol, thanks though
@@Spooky585 haha well it’s a job to explain the ins and outs briefly so I did my best. If it helps 2024 should start to see WiFi 7 after Broadcoms announcement. Hope you are having a good start to 2022.
TP-Link Archer AX90 is amazing
So I have my RT-AX55 dedicated to my Quest, and I was wondering if anyone knew which settings are gonna be best for VD? There are alot of settings that I really don't know anything about.
How is it? I have this router and get stutters, more than I would like. Codec is H.264 bit rate is 80mbps, sliced encoding on.
@@paulclark2410 What are your PC specs?
@@paulclark2410 I could upload screenshots of my settings, I think my setups runs quite well.
@@DanielChainsaw 3090 and 10900k
@@paulclark2410Do you have stutters in every single game? I had some stuttering when I got my 3090, and was told to use the HEVC, have you tried this?
if i got a wifi extender would that work
Does anyone know if it's possible to use a router for the quest 2 without an internet connection?
Yes. That would be called having a dedicated router
@@VirtualPandaVR Thanks for the reply. Do you know if virtual desktop requires internet? I've read that it needs it to check licensing?
@@pyromaniacwryo I mean when I use it, my quest has zero access to the internet while my PC Does.
40 ms seems like alot. According to the SteamVR diagnostic window that pops up every time i play i have around 10 ms
I bought a Ubiquity access point for around 100$ which i connected with cat6 cabels to trough my router to my pc. This has worked fine.
How much latency are you getting?
Also 40 ms with the max bitrate. According to guy Godin, you only need 65 mbps bitrate for decent visuals, and lowering the bitrate reduces latency significantly
Oh, did you get a UniFi 6 Lite? I just set mine up to better handle my family's wifi network, but it's working great with my Q2 as well.
Oof, I got a TP link AX1500 and it works great for me.
Me2
I did the same thing but I got scammed and it didn’t work but I was able to get a refund throughout a lot of threats and negotiation
Scammed?
i have a huawei ax3 wifi6 router for 60€ and it works very good for pcvr
Sorry, I'm hijacking the top comment to get this seen about WiFi 5/6:
Here's a thread of the performance of different routers that different users have reported in Virtual Desktop for Quest 2:
www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/quest-2-virtual-desktop-performance-thread.18902756/
You can see how WiFi 5 routers (866mbps WiFi connection) perform identically to WiFi 6 routers (1300mbps WiFi connection).
The data collection in this video seems thorough (although maxing the streaming bandwidth like he did is not recommended for any router in VD, which makes what he's testing not a real-world scenario) but from his data sample of one poorly performing 30 dollar WiFi 5 router he said "avoid this any any router like it" (i.e. all 30 dollar non-WiFi 6 routers). A sample size of one is not enough to make a conclusion like that, and I would certainly recommend peopl look at more statistics before making the decision to invest into the significantly higher cost of a WiFi 6 router which may yield no benefit to their experience.
As the some of the other Quest users in the thread that I mentioned have, I too have had a great experience using my WiFi 5 router (main router) in my living room and have just bought another one for £7 off ebay to dedicate to Quest so I can use it in my bedroom.
Here's a video looking benchmarking the difference in VD Quest 2 for WiFi 5/6 ua-cam.com/video/iAleyldEZxA/v-deo.html (note: unlike he suggests at the end, WiFi 6 does not improve the strength of the signal and will serve multiple users better unless they are all on WiFi 6 capable devices as well)
A note from the official developer of Virtual Desktop:
www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/lsa3lx/virtual_desktop_120_update_pcvr_streaming_now/gqj8il9/?context=3
None of the demos in this video hit above WiFi 5 streaming capabilities in terms of mbps.
Yes it is important to check the router model you are getting, but that is true of any WiFi 6 as well, evn non-VR users are reporting connectivity issues with the newer WiFi 6 devices - its a new technologyso its to be expected, and not all manufacturers are made equal. Whether you are going WiFi 5 or 6 or buying any other technology, it is important to look past the label and check before quality and benchmarks you buy.
TLDR: you should not get a WiFi 6 router for Oculus Quest 2 wireless streaming. You should get WiFi 6 for when you have a a large number of devices connecting to it all demanding alot of bandwidth cuasing congestion, and only when the majority of them are on WiFi 6 capable devices, otherwise there will be no benefit.
This is especially important to note since it means you can get the same experience on a 10 dollar router as a 100 dollar one in almost every home in terms of Quest 2 usage.
The TP-Link AX1500 now support OneMesh.
what is it ? Im about to buy it
how do ii check the hardwarer
In the software settings for the router
thanks
My WiFi is garbage when I turn on Netflix I get kicked off the Wi-Fi like my quest just says I have no more Wi-Fi
I have like 10 year old Apple routers all around the house and they are better than anything else I’ve seen.
Many people recommend the xiaomi ax1800
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can you make a video on how to connect a router to the pc
Just plug it in with an ethernet cable into one of the LAN ports of your router.
@@VirtualPandaVR does the router need to have WiFi on or no?
@@crowswatching no, it'll say it's not connected to the internet and that's fine. I have a video explaining more details about that if you haven't seen it. I believe I link to it in the description of this video
@@VirtualPandaVR ok
@@crowswatching learn to say thank you instead of "ok" you degenerate pos
That is a lot of money why do you do this to your self
400$ is not that much and he also returned the routers he didn't keep.
Do not buy any router, just buy a usb wifi dongle for $15 and make sure your desktop pc have ethernet cable internet connection, problem solved thank me later 😉
That never works as good as an actual router.
@@VirtualPandaVR i play pcvr games all day some are 50GB, bitrate on auto 100MB runs smooth no issues at all
Also you can buy a wifi 6 card which fit directly on the motherboard cost around $30
@@ultimatesetup7866 Been there done that. So much trouble even to activate wifi. Not to mention there are several regulation on different countries that limit signal to max 40hz.
I end up asking refund of my ax200
Doesn't matter what setup you have or what settings you use. Quest 2 at its fullest potential still has 3x mire latency than is acceptable for gaming. The best setup will average 30ms. You can dip below that but typically you will consistently be at 30ms and well over. Unacceptable. Then there is the compression issues. Quest 2 is fun for some simple games but its not a very good pcvr headset. Even a Rift S has better picture quality at lower resolution. Quest 3 needs to fix these issues and offer a true 1 to 1 image transfer. I am on a 11700\3080 and had been using my Quest 2 exclusively for the past few months. On a whim I hooked up my Rift S recently and was blown away at how much better it looks. I never noticed latency issues on my Quest but I was instantly better at all of the games I play when I went back to wired. It was a big difference both in latency and picture quality. Now my Quest is for mobile and some simple single player games.
We're talking about a DP connection VS usb-c/wireless. Of course it's going to look better on a rift s, but to hell with that SDE and cable I say lol. Like the video said, "do you even realize how short a millisecond is?" I've won plenty of gun fights over Virtual desktop, so it's kinda negligible for me and then with single player latency doesn't really matter whatsoever. I even recently tried to go back to cable, with a suspended set up and it's just horrible.. I'll just wait for wireless solutions to get better over time.
i just got an asus ax55 for only 75€ lol
Do not use this video as reference. Video author has no clue what he is doing. His networking is constantly orange which means he failed to comprehend the basic knowledge of the topic. I have AX55 and it works flawlessly. This guy just cranks up everything up to 100% and expects it to work greatly exceeding the hardware possibilities. He's probably not even connected to router from PC by cable and uses Wifi both ways (pc router, router quest) which would explaing HORRIBLE Networking stats. It should not go over 5ms. There are better videos on the subject. Go to VD discord for the setup procedure.
Pog early squad
just bs