@user-xp3mn9we3m we need a scene similar to the comic panel when cyclops tells the sentinels to get off his yard and unleashes a huge blast then wolverine say "I remember why you're still in charge."
@@Hillthugsta Nobody said sideline, just do what X-men 97 did. Make his screen time just as significant as everyone else's. The x-men just doesn't work the same when favorites are played.
The power signature is one of the things that made Wanda work. You INSTANTLY knew when she was involved and it never felt like too much. An X-Men movie needs that kind of eye catching style to recapture the attention of folks that have lost interest in the MCU and THEN have the writing to carry the story.
I agree with his ideas on this for sure. Except I would use it sparingly, and only have the most powerful characters have a lot of colour. In the MCU so far, characters with the most flashy powers are also the most OP. Wanda, Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel, Thor, Adam Warlock, etc. The subtle visual effect for the spidey sense works great for a street-level hero (plus it’s a more subtle power.) Keep up that pattern for the X-Men, and maybe rely on other stuff like sounds for the less OP mutants.
YOUR NUMBER ONE POINT WAS MY MAIN POINT! I was so taken by the fact that Cyclops is a hunk again! Rogue isn't just emotional, she's passionate! And Magneto is personal!
Rogue is the embodiment of being a mutant. More curse than blessing. Without being able to be part of a world that hates her or get closer to those who love her. It may not be Omega level on the power scale, but it is in our hearts :D
It probably is an Omega level mutation, just based off the fact there seems to be no limit to who's power's and memories she can absorb. Absorbing Ms. Marvel's powers alone already makes her nigh-Omega level due to MM's nigh limitless energy absorption abilities. However, I will forever be a Mimic fanboy!
Poor kitty got scrapped in the original for jubilee. Gambit and rogue replaced Colossus and dazzler and morph pushed out nightcrawler. They originally intended to have the pryde of the X-Men team for X-Men animated series.
@@jovanleonardi1574 It's not Jubilee's fault, she was a secondary member in the comics, Kitty Pryde was so unpopular by that point she was dropped from the comics, her Pryde of the X-Men appearance was just a factor. All the other Pryde of the X-Men characters made an appearance I think. It's true she replaced her role, but honestly Jubilee was just more popular in the 90's and now both of them are just kinda the kid X-Men characters the writers don't know what to do with.
@@IamKel-gf2ty Why? This is the same stuff that happened with Tom Holland's Romeo & Juliet... Just no. It wouldn't work and I don't wanna hear about modern times. The writers wrote her as she is and if they wanted "representation" which clearly no one cared about back then, she would be black. Still in love with the 90s Rogue and we need someone that looks like her on the big screen, and more mature, not like the teenager in the FoX-men. Keke Palmer could definitely work as Storm. Just not a fan when companies or writers race swap unless it's something like James Bond, which I agree that Idris Elba should 100% be James Bond one day but Keke Palmer would just stand out in a role like that.
The main issue with the use of Jean as Phoenix in movies, we skip the important part. She never establishes herself as _the_ Phoenix. We go straight to "corrupted by absolute power" Dark Phoenix. In the comics, Jean was Phoenix for years before being the Dark Phoenix for one storyline. The context of which has long been bastardised ever since.
Agreed. I also hope they dive into the aspect of the comics where Jean didn't JUST go nuts because she got the power but was actively PUSHED down that path by Mastermind and the Hellfire Club.
They showed she had some Phoenix power in Apocalypse's film, when in the comics she got them in space saving the astronauts, which story was in the next film. They then put the Hellfire club in First Class who in the comics turned her into The Dark Phoenix. In the comics they took time over the transformation almost 3 years from the last pages of 100 to the last page of 134 if I remember correctly for Jean being in contact with the Phoenix force and getting the powers to being fully corrupted. Although all was not what it seemed.
I'm going to add onto your thoughts on Jean Grey and argue that the only reason why the Phoenix Saga worked originally was because Jean was already a well established, well known quantity in the X-Men. Phoenix does not work if Jean's character traits go from "attractive but bland" to "attractive but evil". It works if she's already a well known character with her own depth for the Phoenix to play with. Otherwise, there is no weight behind her transformation. It would be like giving us the black suit in the first Spiderman movie.
The whole point of the Phoenix saga was taking a bland girl and making her evil. Jean went from the weakest and least developed of the o5 to the most powerful and significant once she became Phoenix only for all that new found power and clout to slowly corrupt her.
@@Mirakulus9 This. The reason the Phoenix arc ultimately landed so well is because it took TIME. Jean was already an established character whose powers were well conceptualized, so the jump to Phoenix at the time was huge and a real shakeup to the status quo. And from that first transformation to her eventual death was somewhere between two and three YEARS of comic issues. It gave readers plenty of time and reason to feel connected both to Jean and her fellow X-Men to her. By the time it came to an end, readers in that era were vocally distressed over it because it really felt like something had been lost.
@@ariwl1 this is something that the animated series took heavy consideration of in which you spend 2 seasons of jean prior to the phoenix plotline and later dark phoenix and you see what her role is to the team and how she interacts with them, the movies immediately hint/forshadow the Phoenix in any chance like it's the only trait people care about.
Maybe not have their color signatures, but if you dont use color, you can definitely play with sound. A lot of the time, in X-Men: Evolution, a mutant's power signature isnt just visual, its audio. We KNOW what Jean Grey's telekinesis sounds like. We hear the guitar riff every time Avalanche uses his power. Magneto's powers have a distinct sound to them. So they could do that too.
Sound is a lot more feasible that a giant firework show going off constantly.(they gave Ironman an identifiable sound effect) Scarlet Witch works because she is the only one in the scene using her powers that way.
Evolution definitely got the sound effects right. Very rarely, Jean would have invisible waves of force show up when she used her power, that distinctive ping her powers gave off never let you forget it was her and will live in my head forever.
Cyclops is dumb in love, but otherwise incredibly smart. He is in canonically in the same league as Steve Rogers in terms of leadership and combat strategy.
I loved her rizz in the New Mutants movie. I thought the move to making her and Dani a couple was out of nowhere. But who could resist Maisie William's ch arm? That's one of the things that worked for me.
@@bodhimind108 It's not really out of nowhere when you read the New Mutants comic. Claremont was always writing about their "special bond." This is Chris Claremont code for a girl/girl relationship. It is a well known secret that Claremont likes to write all his women as bisexual.
@@razorwolfetheoriginal5385 Yeah for sure. The one takeaway I got from watching New Mutants as someone who didn’t read the comics at the time of watching it, was that Moonstar and Wolfsbane had a surprisingly well built up dynamic. The whole first half of the movie I was suspecting that they had something more than friendship and I was surprised to be proven right.
My problem with the movies jumping to Dark Phoenix is that they always skip over her just being Phoenix. You want to do Dark Phoenix? Fine, but Jean has to get the Phoenix powers at least one full movie before she even starts to hint at becoming the Dark Phoenix. It was a saga...not a single movie.
Nah best Fox can give us was a whole one fight the movie prior just to end up retconning how the Phoenix stuff worked anyway in the next film. I have faith the next time we see the Dark Phoenix story done in live action, if they do, it'll be handled a lot better. Maybe even be it's own mini phase/saga
As someone who *never* cared about the Scott-Jean-Logan love triangle (and over time found it exasperating), I think Wolverine's main relationship in the MCU should be with Jubilee. They could have the same dynamic as Joel and Ellie from TLOU. It would differentiate the MCU X-Men from the Fox movies and free Jean from the most played-out love triangle in history.
@@jayymorris5285 the op is not saying that they should have a romantic relationship, but instead a father figure daughter figure relationship. That's why the LoU comparison was given.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie 😂. I thought you'd suggest something else lol. But yeah, the Wolf and Cub relationship should be focused with Logan, especially since aside from Laura, they never did it in the movies. Kitty, Jubilee, Armor, etc.
What the MCU needs to remember about the X-Men is that it is a big freaking Super Powered Soap Opera! 9/10, it is the most cliched daytime, All My Children, Days of Our Lives, the Young and Restless, soap opera to exist, in all of the best ways.
@@Tyrannodrone475 yeah, except the FF are a family of science explorers, while the X-Men are a family of outsiders. You can have different family dynamics beyond "a family", and its certainly not a soap opera.
You might be literally the ONLY UA-camr that understands the Xmen, and thats not an exaggeration. In one video you have explained the 2 most mis-understood xmen comic facts. 1) its a lot about the interpersonal drama. 2) let hugh jackman go, and while youre at it relax on the wolverine focus. Its like, the internet understands the facts of xmen lore but no clue what it was really about. people, with powers. not powers with names. Amazing video and thanks for making me feel like Im not crazy for thinking all of these things.
No hate, but plenty of comic UA-camrs understand this 😅 troyoboyo, Linkara, Comic Pop have all mentioned similar points. I think it's the execs making this stuff that haven't gotten the message TBH
@@jordanromesburg6819 I'm so glad Nando mentioned the success of the movie Blade is what made the MCU possible It's annoying to see other UA-camrs who should know better constantly claim it was spiderman or X-Men And I'll say it bring back Taylor as Gambit he was spot on
15:46 Hate to "well, actually" you, but technically Jean was dead during the decade that Scott and Emma were together. As soon as Jean was resurrected Scott went right back to her. I think Marvel was clearing the decks in advance of Jean's return by making Emma go bad again, if i recall.
Wholly agree with your takes, here's an additional five from me. 1. Agent Fred Duncan. Humans shouldn't all be the enemy. If Marvel made an X-Men movie where all the humans were terrible it would entirely miss the point of the civil rights allegory. Agent Fred Duncan of the FBI is the solution to this. Have someone in a position of power be an ally the the mutants. 2. More spotlight for POC characters. Bishop, Storm, Forge, Mirage, Karma and so many more X-Men are typically sidelined for mutants like Cyclops, Jean and even Gambit. The movie would again, entirely miss the point of the X-Men, if they had a mostly white cast. 3. Senator Kelly, Reverend Stryker and Bolivar Trask. These characters could pose a threat to the first team of mutants. Not just by sheer power via the Sentinels, but by spreading hate and fear. 4. Don't be afraid of absurd mutants. Cameos from lesser known X-Men such as Maggot, Anole and Banshee would make this movie feel more like a film about acceptance, rather than a corporate superhero blockbuster. 5. Have the creative team read obscure X-Men books. Operation Zero Tolerance and X-Tinction Agenda would be great.
Man, I would love it if they actually took these suggestions. I don't think the MCU could ever get this right. Falcon and Winter Soldier was their limp attempt at racial commentary, and I fear that was their best.
One of my favorite lines in X-Men 97 is when Logan says "you're Jean Grey. He's Scott Summers. Those are the rules." Like yeah, we're kind of always told they're the couple, they always will be the couple, no questions asked.
Regarding power signatures: At the very least, please just make Magneto's eyes glow when he uses his powers. Like in Super Hero Tiger's edits. (And like Wanda.)
I think it's interesing (and a little weird) that this such a thing. Marvel Studios made X-Men 97. They have shown to us that they know how this works, right? Not that they work in the MCU and all, but they have shown us that they know how these characters should interact & fight, which characters should be used, which characters should lead and stuff. They have shown to us with X-Men 97 that they know. If they can implement it in another project besides X-Men 97 as well is a question for another time, but I think it's safe to say that they understand what they need to hit.
Respectfully Nando, I believe the best advice marvel (and feige) can take right now, is simply to take their time. I love everything you mentioned and I agree with your final point most of all, there are SO many stories they can adapt other than the phoenix/dark phoenix saga, I really just hope they take their time and allow all the super geeks like yourself and I that work at marvel to make the magic happen. Lastly, what are your thoughts on marvel going back to a (possibly) 2 film per year schedule? I think it’s great because they can really ramp up the quality control personal.
The looming threat of Dark Phoenix is a fundamental part of Jean's character. I agree that they shouldn't rush into a full Dark Phoenix story, but the hints of it I think are very interesting.
Great video! I think one thing both attempts at Jean/Phoenix on screen missed is that they went straight to Dark Phoenix. What made the comics so compelling is that Jean got to be a full-on superhero and enjoy it for a long time before the descent into Dark Phoenix. They need at least one movie where she's just Phoenix and we get invested in her as Phoenix, so the turn to darkness is more tragic.
Scott is not dumb. Scott was never dumb. Scott tends to have his idealism shattered by realistic standards and occurrences, extending from his "boy scout" upbringings. Scott also makes mistakes - especially personal ones rather than battlefield related ones. His development and grittiness deepens due to his journey of being trained as a boy scout in transitioning into a battlefield tactician. Other than that, I continue to enjoy your content. I also enjoyed your Staten Island joke.
Cyclops is my favorite superhero (If you couldn’t tell from my name and profile picture). I love his character because he is very flawed. It’s very interesting. Although he’s flawed, he always tries to learn from his mistakes and tries to fix them. Also, I like how through everything Scott ends up with Jean. I like him and Emma, but Scott and Jean are better.
Scott is also my favorite. I started reading around issue 120 and his leadership skills were immeasurable. He is also shown early on as a fight tactics master especially in danger room fights. I don’t see him as dumb, I see him as having an emotional blind spot. So fight smarts, heart sharts.
X-Men 97 understands that Jean Grey is interesting when she's powerful. She doesn't have to be fainting or at risk of corruption by the Phoenix. In the comics they've long understood this. Jean manages omega level powers and takes on omega level threats.
Comic book Scott Summers is one of the most complete and interesting character journeys in all of super hero comics. They absolutely need to center the live action X-men around that journey. His hero to villain to anti-hero arc is fantastic, believable and most importantly, interesting.
I don’t think Wolverine got so much attention from Fox because they loved him. I think they liked bed how people responded to Jackman in the role. The real challenge will be both not leaning too much on whoever is the new Wolvie, plus resisting the urge to center any other breakout character that might pop like he did.
Another thing they captured on the show was the friendship between Jean and Storm and how amazing they are together. Maybe explore that in a way that is not remotely queerbaiting. In fact, a lot of what makes the X-Men so much fun is the friendships and camaraderie which got completely lost in the live action movies,
I don't know how anyone can see that as "Queerbaiting". Not all the X-Men end up with each other. But I do hope they show the kind of makeshift family that was the og 5: Cyclops, Jean, Iceman, Beast and Angel.
YES! This is what they need to capture: the family aspect. I keep seeing people talking about "everyone hooks up with everyone" and I'm sorry, but no, I'm not interested on that. I didn't watch Avengers movies to see who would hook up with who, I watched for how they work as a team of friends.
I kinda came to this epiphany when I saw a scene in Dark Phoenix Jean Scott and Ororo were in Cerebro sharing a scene and it dawned on me that these three characters had a tight friendship in the comics that I never saw in any of the movies.
Rachel is criminally underrated. She has a unique weakness (mind control / suggestion), she brings the Summers drama without ever going Dark Phoenix, and she can make out with anyone the plot requires.
Hold on?! Your the president of the fan club?! I've been owing dues since she was hunted down by a shi 'ar death squad and went off to space the fight back! Love that girl!
I always thought they should have done a solo Wolverine movie before they made the first X-Men. It would have been a lot cheaper and, if successful, would have brought in a lot more money for the first X-Men movie. Imagine the first X-Men with the budget of X2. Not only that, with the Wolverine character already introduced, the film could have spent a lot more time with introducing the other characters.
Even beyond Jean, Emma, and clones thereof (lookout Cuckoos!), any time Scott Summers has a relationship lapse, he almost always immediately finds another woman eager to cuddle up with him. When the X-Men thought Jean and Beast died in a volcano (long story), suddenly he was spending a lot of time with Colleen Wing. After "Jean" died as the Phoenix, he met a woman named Lee Forrester to pal around and wash up on Magneto's island with. Even Madelyn Pryor falls into this category somewhat, with the added twist she turned out to be Jean's clone. But the key defining factor in all these relationships is that as soon as Scott finds out Jean's alive again, he drops them like yesterday's tacos and goes back to her without so much as a "seeya!" In fact, I'd say Emma falls into this category too, for the same reason, despite him starting up with her a bit before Jean dies for once.
not a bad itinerary. i have just one addition: find a way to get chris clairmont on the project in an advisory role. i am hard pressed to think of any one person who understands these characters and stories better than that guy.
Don’t take this the wrong most of the advice here seems vague and shallow, but I agree with the power signature and less wolverine. So let here’s my take. 1. Show MCU characters being intimate with each other and show close they are. 3. Make a cyclope cool and give him more depth. He should be allow mistakes because he’s only human and he still triest to be best version of himself because of the circumstances that he is in. 4. Maybe but it’s the hook that draws us into her character. I do wish they created inner conflict with her that’s not tie into Scott. I think if they had to do again they do something different with it or make it a whole other entity/character altogether.
everyone saying the DP&W short Wolverine is 'comic accurate' but in the comics he's ridiculously ripped, for that cameo he just looked like he lifts dumbbells in the garage once a week
Love all of these suggestions!! Scott and Emma being headmaster/ mistress of the school is one of my fave X-men Era's. Wish it was used more in modern X-men tv & movies.
I think the big problem with the attempts at doing the Dark Phoenix saga in the movies, is that they didn't do the Phoenix saga first. You've got to get to know and get invested in Jean Grey before the events of Dark Phoenix can have any kind of impact. Also, it would be nice to see villain Rogue before she joined the X-Men, especially with Captain Marvel being a big part of the MCU.
the first time I want to see the new wolverine I want to see him teaching history post days of future past and post kang dynasty, the scene writes itself and I won't settle for less
Quick correction: Jean DIDN’T get to do her own thing when Scott and Emma were together. She was specifically killed off because Marvel didn’t want to do a divorce storyline (this is the same reason Pete and MJ were given a deal with the devil storyline instead of an actual breakup), and her adult self wasn’t brought back until Scemma had run it’s course and Scott was brief dead. And once he was back, they were back together. So Jean has never really had a “do her own thing” period.
They need to make it a television series. The X-Men are so expansive and there are so many characters, that to really adapt the comics like 97 it needs to be a serialized drama, so that they can flesh out the entire gallery of mutants they can use. This could also potentially set up other mutant spin off shows such as New Mutants or X-Force. Now imagine a huge cast of characters, much like game of thrones, where they could really go to work and show the world just how fantastic the world of x men is.
13:51 That scene was a total last-minute cop-out to save them. Just moments before, I was wondering, 'How are they going to get out of this?' and couldn't come up with any plausible solution.
Wait. The same writer who failed the first time on the Dark Phoenix story was hired again to write the same story... and suprise... it was a disaster. Wow.
Your "oh, *okay*" list is missing one, that being Killmonger and his girlfriend necking in the back of the ambulance in Black Panther. Seriously. Their chemistry is off the charts.
The problem with putting any intimacy in is that a comic can just put in a couple panels with half the dialogue supporting the main story, and then imply the rest. In film it will be ten or fifteen minutes of poorly-executed runtime. Maybe you can pull it off by giving an unexpected director the reins, but that will result in different complaints.
Great video! Great takes, beautifully constructed ideas! I offer a couple more: 6: Hire at least one Black writer and/or a Black director. A big part of the success of 97 comes from the explicit Black coding of several characters. From the team boding over basketball, to Magneto’s whole speech to the politicians in the sky, to Cyclops using the term “saying the quiet part out loud” , these touches enriched the story and you need at least a couple of Black folk in the writing room in order to find them. 7: Emphasize cool-assed teamwork in the fight scenes! The X-Men fight uniquely well together, because they know each other intimately and because they train a whole bunch. Gotta make that a primary feature of the movies! Think battle of New York, think the Showtime Lakers. Every X-Fight should feel like that - like a beautiful dance. Gimme Wolverine being Fastball special-ed onto a sentinel as it tries to divebomb the team. Gimme Gambit energizing a car just as Rogue swoops down and tosses it through a hole Scott just made in a bunker … stuff like that.
I am once again asking for people in general and you specifically to understand and remember that telepathy and telekinesis are not synonyms, they are distinct, different powers. With respect, this mistake drives me up the wall.
I appreciated a lot of your points, especially the ones about Jean. Jean Grey is, in my opinion, one of the hardest characters to effectively write in X-Men. A lot of people think Phoenix is the only thing she's ever done and that's far from the truth, especially when you consider that from her first appearance until today she's been technically "dead" and completely out of circulation for around a third of that time!
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For me a fourth very interesting thing they did with "Jean" was her wanting to live a normal life out of the X-men. Made sense with her character. She has always been the most reasonable of the X-people, she had been with them the longest, she has been through more than everybody and has sacrificed herself, she rejected unimaginable power and possibilities; ofc she wouldn't want to keep risking her life specially having a child. As a fan I don't want her to be out of the X-men and the X-men never get what they want anyways, but giving her that direction made me feel her growth and it is indirectly a motivation for her to deal with all the immediate threats so she can retire, so it works without taking her out of thee action.
The greatest lesson mcu can learn from 97 is making Cyclops the actual leader of X men rather than Wolverine just because he's more rough and tough.
100% agree. In the original comics, Wolverine outright states that he isn't the man to lead the X-Men.
Apparently Bryan Singer was gonna make Cyclops the fearsome leader we all know from the comics and show in X Men the last stand before Fox interfered
Yeah, if you make Wolverine the defacto leader, then he can't be the loose canon.
@user-xp3mn9we3m we need a scene similar to the comic panel when cyclops tells the sentinels to get off his yard and unleashes a huge blast then wolverine say "I remember why you're still in charge."
@rah0210 Absolutely! In the comics, Wolverine respects Cyclops despite their rivalry. In the movies, he just steals Scott's stuff.
The lesson that Nightcrawler can be wise and a fun loving badass is key.
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X-men 97 was a nice reminder that Wolverine is A member of the X-men, not THE member.
He is the face of the X-Men. You cant just sideline a character like him like the author of the video suggests.
@@Hillthugsta Nobody said sideline, just do what X-men 97 did. Make his screen time just as significant as everyone else's. The x-men just doesn't work the same when favorites are played.
@@HillthugstaHe has never been the face of the X-men. Well not until the movies. He’s a popular character but the face of the X-men is Cyclops.
@@Hillthugsta he's the face of the xmen movies*
@@MckieDs595he’s still the most popular out of the x-men. There’s a reason why wolverine sells more
The power signature is one of the things that made Wanda work. You INSTANTLY knew when she was involved and it never felt like too much.
An X-Men movie needs that kind of eye catching style to recapture the attention of folks that have lost interest in the MCU and THEN have the writing to carry the story.
I agree with his ideas on this for sure. Except I would use it sparingly, and only have the most powerful characters have a lot of colour. In the MCU so far, characters with the most flashy powers are also the most OP. Wanda, Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel, Thor, Adam Warlock, etc. The subtle visual effect for the spidey sense works great for a street-level hero (plus it’s a more subtle power.) Keep up that pattern for the X-Men, and maybe rely on other stuff like sounds for the less OP mutants.
Looking forward to Agatha.
Are you?
Feige has literally said Wanda was basically their Phoenix/Jean (mind powers telekinesis) so this tracks
YOUR NUMBER ONE POINT WAS MY MAIN POINT!
I was so taken by the fact that Cyclops is a hunk again! Rogue isn't just emotional, she's passionate! And Magneto is personal!
I'm glad Scott was given his props he's always been the leader of the X-Men
Rogue is the embodiment of being a mutant. More curse than blessing. Without being able to be part of a world that hates her or get closer to those who love her. It may not be Omega level on the power scale, but it is in our hearts :D
It probably is an Omega level mutation, just based off the fact there seems to be no limit to who's power's and memories she can absorb. Absorbing Ms. Marvel's powers alone already makes her nigh-Omega level due to MM's nigh limitless energy absorption abilities.
However, I will forever be a Mimic fanboy!
@@ProjektTaku she’s not omega level she has clear limits
@@giosbizarreart9048 since when?
Here to make sure the Kitty Pride fans aren't ignored.
If they do Marauders later on... Kitty Pride fans will die happy!
I add my support
Poor kitty got scrapped in the original for jubilee. Gambit and rogue replaced Colossus and dazzler and morph pushed out nightcrawler. They originally intended to have the pryde of the X-Men team for X-Men animated series.
@@jovanleonardi1574 It's not Jubilee's fault, she was a secondary member in the comics, Kitty Pryde was so unpopular by that point she was dropped from the comics, her Pryde of the X-Men appearance was just a factor. All the other Pryde of the X-Men characters made an appearance I think. It's true she replaced her role, but honestly Jubilee was just more popular in the 90's and now both of them are just kinda the kid X-Men characters the writers don't know what to do with.
When it comes to x-men 92 we certainly were
I'd like to take a moment to vocalize my Rogue fandom.
Keke Palmer as rouge .‼️‼️‼️
I need rogue fan service
@@IamKel-gf2ty Why? This is the same stuff that happened with Tom Holland's Romeo & Juliet... Just no. It wouldn't work and I don't wanna hear about modern times. The writers wrote her as she is and if they wanted "representation" which clearly no one cared about back then, she would be black. Still in love with the 90s Rogue and we need someone that looks like her on the big screen, and more mature, not like the teenager in the FoX-men. Keke Palmer could definitely work as Storm. Just not a fan when companies or writers race swap unless it's something like James Bond, which I agree that Idris Elba should 100% be James Bond one day but Keke Palmer would just stand out in a role like that.
It would be interesting if she got to be a villain for an entire movie.
@@suspect1996Way to reveal that you know nothing about stage acting
The main issue with the use of Jean as Phoenix in movies, we skip the important part. She never establishes herself as _the_ Phoenix. We go straight to "corrupted by absolute power" Dark Phoenix. In the comics, Jean was Phoenix for years before being the Dark Phoenix for one storyline. The context of which has long been bastardised ever since.
Agreed. I also hope they dive into the aspect of the comics where Jean didn't JUST go nuts because she got the power but was actively PUSHED down that path by Mastermind and the Hellfire Club.
They showed she had some Phoenix power in Apocalypse's film, when in the comics she got them in space saving the astronauts, which story was in the next film. They then put the Hellfire club in First Class who in the comics turned her into The Dark Phoenix. In the comics they took time over the transformation almost 3 years from the last pages of 100 to the last page of 134 if I remember correctly for Jean being in contact with the Phoenix force and getting the powers to being fully corrupted. Although all was not what it seemed.
I'm going to add onto your thoughts on Jean Grey and argue that the only reason why the Phoenix Saga worked originally was because Jean was already a well established, well known quantity in the X-Men. Phoenix does not work if Jean's character traits go from "attractive but bland" to "attractive but evil". It works if she's already a well known character with her own depth for the Phoenix to play with. Otherwise, there is no weight behind her transformation. It would be like giving us the black suit in the first Spiderman movie.
Or killing Superman in the second Superman movie. That's ridiculous, who would be crazy enough to do something like that?! It's super bad writing.
The whole point of the Phoenix saga was taking a bland girl and making her evil. Jean went from the weakest and least developed of the o5 to the most powerful and significant once she became Phoenix only for all that new found power and clout to slowly corrupt her.
@@Mirakulus9 This. The reason the Phoenix arc ultimately landed so well is because it took TIME. Jean was already an established character whose powers were well conceptualized, so the jump to Phoenix at the time was huge and a real shakeup to the status quo. And from that first transformation to her eventual death was somewhere between two and three YEARS of comic issues. It gave readers plenty of time and reason to feel connected both to Jean and her fellow X-Men to her. By the time it came to an end, readers in that era were vocally distressed over it because it really felt like something had been lost.
@@ariwl1 this is something that the animated series took heavy consideration of in which you spend 2 seasons of jean prior to the phoenix plotline and later dark phoenix and you see what her role is to the team and how she interacts with them, the movies immediately hint/forshadow the Phoenix in any chance like it's the only trait people care about.
Exactly😊
Maybe not have their color signatures, but if you dont use color, you can definitely play with sound. A lot of the time, in X-Men: Evolution, a mutant's power signature isnt just visual, its audio. We KNOW what Jean Grey's telekinesis sounds like. We hear the guitar riff every time Avalanche uses his power. Magneto's powers have a distinct sound to them. So they could do that too.
Sound is a lot more feasible that a giant firework show going off constantly.(they gave Ironman an identifiable sound effect) Scarlet Witch works because she is the only one in the scene using her powers that way.
Evolution definitely got the sound effects right. Very rarely, Jean would have invisible waves of force show up when she used her power, that distinctive ping her powers gave off never let you forget it was her and will live in my head forever.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVED THE MOST ABOUT EVOLUTION.
Cyclops is dumb in love, but otherwise incredibly smart. He is in canonically in the same league as Steve Rogers in terms of leadership and combat strategy.
Extremely memely voice, sobbing under a blanket on camera: “LEAVE WOLFSBANE ALOOOONE!”
I loved her rizz in the New Mutants movie. I thought the move to making her and Dani a couple was out of nowhere. But who could resist Maisie William's ch arm? That's one of the things that worked for me.
@@bodhimind108 It's not really out of nowhere when you read the New Mutants comic. Claremont was always writing about their "special bond." This is Chris Claremont code for a girl/girl relationship. It is a well known secret that Claremont likes to write all his women as bisexual.
@@razorwolfetheoriginal5385 it's been a while. Imma have to look back. I can believe it though.
@@razorwolfetheoriginal5385 Yeah for sure. The one takeaway I got from watching New Mutants as someone who didn’t read the comics at the time of watching it, was that Moonstar and Wolfsbane had a surprisingly well built up dynamic. The whole first half of the movie I was suspecting that they had something more than friendship and I was surprised to be proven right.
She is a bean
My problem with the movies jumping to Dark Phoenix is that they always skip over her just being Phoenix. You want to do Dark Phoenix? Fine, but Jean has to get the Phoenix powers at least one full movie before she even starts to hint at becoming the Dark Phoenix. It was a saga...not a single movie.
Nah best Fox can give us was a whole one fight the movie prior just to end up retconning how the Phoenix stuff worked anyway in the next film. I have faith the next time we see the Dark Phoenix story done in live action, if they do, it'll be handled a lot better. Maybe even be it's own mini phase/saga
As someone who *never* cared about the Scott-Jean-Logan love triangle (and over time found it exasperating), I think Wolverine's main relationship in the MCU should be with Jubilee. They could have the same dynamic as Joel and Ellie from TLOU. It would differentiate the MCU X-Men from the Fox movies and free Jean from the most played-out love triangle in history.
100%! The love triangle is boring and tired. I. Don't. Care!
Jubilee deserves a proper live action adaptation.
Isn't she like 16-18? That man is over 200 years old lol
Honestly just skip Logan and bring back Daphne Keene
@@jayymorris5285 the op is not saying that they should have a romantic relationship, but instead a father figure daughter figure relationship. That's why the LoU comparison was given.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie 😂. I thought you'd suggest something else lol.
But yeah, the Wolf and Cub relationship should be focused with Logan, especially since aside from Laura, they never did it in the movies. Kitty, Jubilee, Armor, etc.
What the MCU needs to remember about the X-Men is that it is a big freaking Super Powered Soap Opera! 9/10, it is the most cliched daytime, All My Children, Days of Our Lives, the Young and Restless, soap opera to exist, in all of the best ways.
No. It is not a soap opera. The X-Men are a zany family of weirdo's, like the Doom Patrol.
@projekttaku1 the fantastic four have that covered already, the sprawling canvas of character dynamics in x-men is beyond just "being a family"
@@Tyrannodrone475 yeah, except the FF are a family of science explorers, while the X-Men are a family of outsiders. You can have different family dynamics beyond "a family", and its certainly not a soap opera.
@@ProjektTaku It's both! That's why I've always loved it.
You might be literally the ONLY UA-camr that understands the Xmen, and thats not an exaggeration. In one video you have explained the 2 most mis-understood xmen comic facts. 1) its a lot about the interpersonal drama. 2) let hugh jackman go, and while youre at it relax on the wolverine focus. Its like, the internet understands the facts of xmen lore but no clue what it was really about. people, with powers. not powers with names. Amazing video and thanks for making me feel like Im not crazy for thinking all of these things.
No hate, but plenty of comic UA-camrs understand this 😅 troyoboyo, Linkara, Comic Pop have all mentioned similar points. I think it's the execs making this stuff that haven't gotten the message TBH
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I'm so glad Nando mentioned the success of the movie Blade is what made the MCU possible
It's annoying to see other UA-camrs who should know better constantly claim it was spiderman or X-Men
And I'll say it bring back Taylor as Gambit he was spot on
Most comic UA-camrs and really just comic fans say the same thing
This is CosmonautVarietyHour erasure and I will not stand for it.
Y’all need to stop saying such outlandish things to make your points seem more meaningful.
15:46 Hate to "well, actually" you, but technically Jean was dead during the decade that Scott and Emma were together. As soon as Jean was resurrected Scott went right back to her. I think Marvel was clearing the decks in advance of Jean's return by making Emma go bad again, if i recall.
Wholly agree with your takes, here's an additional five from me.
1. Agent Fred Duncan. Humans shouldn't all be the enemy. If Marvel made an X-Men movie where all the humans were terrible it would entirely miss the point of the civil rights allegory. Agent Fred Duncan of the FBI is the solution to this. Have someone in a position of power be an ally the the mutants.
2. More spotlight for POC characters. Bishop, Storm, Forge, Mirage, Karma and so many more X-Men are typically sidelined for mutants like Cyclops, Jean and even Gambit. The movie would again, entirely miss the point of the X-Men, if they had a mostly white cast.
3. Senator Kelly, Reverend Stryker and Bolivar Trask. These characters could pose a threat to the first team of mutants. Not just by sheer power via the Sentinels, but by spreading hate and fear.
4. Don't be afraid of absurd mutants. Cameos from lesser known X-Men such as Maggot, Anole and Banshee would make this movie feel more like a film about acceptance, rather than a corporate superhero blockbuster.
5. Have the creative team read obscure X-Men books. Operation Zero Tolerance and X-Tinction Agenda would be great.
Absolutely all of this!
yes to this. i think the most important thing is to understand what the "mutant metaphor" means and let that inform the rest of your storytelling.
Man, I would love it if they actually took these suggestions. I don't think the MCU could ever get this right. Falcon and Winter Soldier was their limp attempt at racial commentary, and I fear that was their best.
One of my favorite lines in X-Men 97 is when Logan says "you're Jean Grey. He's Scott Summers. Those are the rules." Like yeah, we're kind of always told they're the couple, they always will be the couple, no questions asked.
As long as my boy Cyclops is made THE MAN i’ll be happy
I'm a simple man, I see the Marvel's Midnight Suns game, I upvote.
I’m still debating whether or not to play this game
Such a criminally underrated game, imagine if we could get an x-men style game in the same vein?
Quintien (Kid Omega) is Pink. He rocks that pink.
I only remember him having blue for one artist.
I came here to say this
Regarding power signatures: At the very least, please just make Magneto's eyes glow when he uses his powers. Like in Super Hero Tiger's edits. (And like Wanda.)
Talking about power signatures, one piece comic does this really well, every abstract power looks distinct even without any color.
I think it's interesing (and a little weird) that this such a thing. Marvel Studios made X-Men 97. They have shown to us that they know how this works, right? Not that they work in the MCU and all, but they have shown us that they know how these characters should interact & fight, which characters should be used, which characters should lead and stuff. They have shown to us with X-Men 97 that they know. If they can implement it in another project besides X-Men 97 as well is a question for another time, but I think it's safe to say that they understand what they need to hit.
Respectfully Nando, I believe the best advice marvel (and feige) can take right now, is simply to take their time. I love everything you mentioned and I agree with your final point most of all, there are SO many stories they can adapt other than the phoenix/dark phoenix saga, I really just hope they take their time and allow all the super geeks like yourself and I that work at marvel to make the magic happen.
Lastly, what are your thoughts on marvel going back to a (possibly) 2 film per year schedule? I think it’s great because they can really ramp up the quality control personal.
Man. I was really hoping “Make Storm a multi-dimensional character with impact” was in your top 5.
Yeah, Barry got robbed of that last time around. Would love to see that fulfilled.
1:50 Ok So I'm glad I'm not the only one that picked up on the lack of chemistry between T'challa and Nakia.
Yeah, the worst mutant had a whole romance in this show...wait Wolfsbane? I meant professor X
Eh ion think he’s the worst just one of the most hypocritical 😂😂
Now lets talk about what they should do with Howard the Duck
The looming threat of Dark Phoenix is a fundamental part of Jean's character. I agree that they shouldn't rush into a full Dark Phoenix story, but the hints of it I think are very interesting.
The staten island joke was perfect
Great video! I think one thing both attempts at Jean/Phoenix on screen missed is that they went straight to Dark Phoenix. What made the comics so compelling is that Jean got to be a full-on superhero and enjoy it for a long time before the descent into Dark Phoenix. They need at least one movie where she's just Phoenix and we get invested in her as Phoenix, so the turn to darkness is more tragic.
Scott is not dumb. Scott was never dumb. Scott tends to have his idealism shattered by realistic standards and occurrences, extending from his "boy scout" upbringings. Scott also makes mistakes - especially personal ones rather than battlefield related ones. His development and grittiness deepens due to his journey of being trained as a boy scout in transitioning into a battlefield tactician.
Other than that, I continue to enjoy your content.
I also enjoyed your Staten Island joke.
Seems like he’s exaggerating for comedic effect. Like calling your favorite character a “himbo” even if they’re definitely no Kronk.
Cyclops is my favorite superhero (If you couldn’t tell from my name and profile picture). I love his character because he is very flawed. It’s very interesting. Although he’s flawed, he always tries to learn from his mistakes and tries to fix them. Also, I like how through everything Scott ends up with Jean. I like him and Emma, but Scott and Jean are better.
I think thats what makes him great, hes flawed but he does whats right no matter what
Scott is also my favorite. I started reading around issue 120 and his leadership skills were immeasurable. He is also shown early on as a fight tactics master especially in danger room fights.
I don’t see him as dumb, I see him as having an emotional blind spot. So fight smarts, heart sharts.
Scott and Jean is a boring couple.
@@azuresaiyan9005 That’s your opinion, and that’s okay. Although, your grammar was incorrect. It should say, “Scott and Jean are a boring couple.”
@@OpticBlast-yk5hf Scott and Jean are a boring couple
X-Men 97 understands that Jean Grey is interesting when she's powerful. She doesn't have to be fainting or at risk of corruption by the Phoenix. In the comics they've long understood this. Jean manages omega level powers and takes on omega level threats.
Thank you for the Storm ⛈️ shout out!!!!
Rogue fan here, how dare you!?
The X-Women are a trio. :p
Comic book Scott Summers is one of the most complete and interesting character journeys in all of super hero comics. They absolutely need to center the live action X-men around that journey. His hero to villain to anti-hero arc is fantastic, believable and most importantly, interesting.
I don’t think Wolverine got so much attention from Fox because they loved him. I think they liked bed how people responded to Jackman in the role. The real challenge will be both not leaning too much on whoever is the new Wolvie, plus resisting the urge to center any other breakout character that might pop like he did.
We don't talk about the throuple. Also, neither Gambit nor his brother in law Nightcrawler are a B list anything in the pantheon of X-Men....🤬.
Another thing they captured on the show was the friendship between Jean and Storm and how amazing they are together. Maybe explore that in a way that is not remotely queerbaiting. In fact, a lot of what makes the X-Men so much fun is the friendships and camaraderie which got completely lost in the live action movies,
I don't know how anyone can see that as "Queerbaiting". Not all the X-Men end up with each other. But I do hope they show the kind of makeshift family that was the og 5: Cyclops, Jean, Iceman, Beast and Angel.
YES! This is what they need to capture: the family aspect. I keep seeing people talking about "everyone hooks up with everyone" and I'm sorry, but no, I'm not interested on that. I didn't watch Avengers movies to see who would hook up with who, I watched for how they work as a team of friends.
I kinda came to this epiphany when I saw a scene in Dark Phoenix Jean Scott and Ororo were in Cerebro sharing a scene and it dawned on me that these three characters had a tight friendship in the comics that I never saw in any of the movies.
As president of the Rachel Summers fan club she is obviously the most important female X-man, I mean come on this is basic stuff.
Rachel is criminally underrated. She has a unique weakness (mind control / suggestion), she brings the Summers drama without ever going Dark Phoenix, and she can make out with anyone the plot requires.
You'll be getting my vote for President again this year, sir.
Hold on?! Your the president of the fan club?! I've been owing dues since she was hunted down by a shi 'ar death squad and went off to space the fight back! Love that girl!
I’ve found my people.
I always thought they should have done a solo Wolverine movie before they made the first X-Men. It would have been a lot cheaper and, if successful, would have brought in a lot more money for the first X-Men movie. Imagine the first X-Men with the budget of X2. Not only that, with the Wolverine character already introduced, the film could have spent a lot more time with introducing the other characters.
Rogue fan here to prove you right. I mean... yes she's in third place but also I love her
Had to pause at 3:07 because Nando with his track record of liking the coolest mutants hating Rahne was NOT on my 2024 bingo card
one thing i ABSOLUTELY want them to do is a Spider-Man and Kitty Pryde Romcom Team-Up Movie that WOULD GO SO HARD
Replace Spider-Man with Nightcrawler, and make it just a road trip comedy.
@@azuresaiyan9005 amazing
i really hope/wish that they can become buddies
This Rogue DISRESPECT will NOT be tolerated 😂
Even beyond Jean, Emma, and clones thereof (lookout Cuckoos!), any time Scott Summers has a relationship lapse, he almost always immediately finds another woman eager to cuddle up with him. When the X-Men thought Jean and Beast died in a volcano (long story), suddenly he was spending a lot of time with Colleen Wing. After "Jean" died as the Phoenix, he met a woman named Lee Forrester to pal around and wash up on Magneto's island with. Even Madelyn Pryor falls into this category somewhat, with the added twist she turned out to be Jean's clone. But the key defining factor in all these relationships is that as soon as Scott finds out Jean's alive again, he drops them like yesterday's tacos and goes back to her without so much as a "seeya!" In fact, I'd say Emma falls into this category too, for the same reason, despite him starting up with her a bit before Jean dies for once.
You know your history. Not many acknowledge Colleen Wing
not a bad itinerary. i have just one addition:
find a way to get chris clairmont on the project in an advisory role. i am hard pressed to think of any one person who understands these characters and stories better than that guy.
As a lifelong Cyclops fan, it’s great seeing people like him again.
Don’t take this the wrong most of the advice here seems vague and shallow, but I agree with the power signature and less wolverine.
So let here’s my take.
1. Show MCU characters being intimate with each other and show close they are.
3. Make a cyclope cool and give him more depth. He should be allow mistakes because he’s only human and he still triest to be best version of himself because of the circumstances that he is in.
4. Maybe but it’s the hook that draws us into her character. I do wish they created inner conflict with her that’s not tie into Scott.
I think if they had to do again they do something different with it or make it a whole other entity/character altogether.
everyone saying the DP&W short Wolverine is 'comic accurate' but in the comics he's ridiculously ripped, for that cameo he just looked like he lifts dumbbells in the garage once a week
Love all of these suggestions!! Scott and Emma being headmaster/ mistress of the school is one of my fave X-men Era's. Wish it was used more in modern X-men tv & movies.
Man, I love when Kevin watches your videos!
the fact that Glob Herman and chamber had all of their charm surgically removed is impressive honestly
I think the big problem with the attempts at doing the Dark Phoenix saga in the movies, is that they didn't do the Phoenix saga first. You've got to get to know and get invested in Jean Grey before the events of Dark Phoenix can have any kind of impact.
Also, it would be nice to see villain Rogue before she joined the X-Men, especially with Captain Marvel being a big part of the MCU.
the first time I want to see the new wolverine I want to see him teaching history post days of future past and post kang dynasty, the scene writes itself and I won't settle for less
Give me Rogue or give me death! 😤😂
Quick correction: Jean DIDN’T get to do her own thing when Scott and Emma were together. She was specifically killed off because Marvel didn’t want to do a divorce storyline (this is the same reason Pete and MJ were given a deal with the devil storyline instead of an actual breakup), and her adult self wasn’t brought back until Scemma had run it’s course and Scott was brief dead. And once he was back, they were back together. So Jean has never really had a “do her own thing” period.
Like Star Wars, I think I am enjoying the animated stuff more than live action now.
They need to make it a television series. The X-Men are so expansive and there are so many characters, that to really adapt the comics like 97 it needs to be a serialized drama, so that they can flesh out the entire gallery of mutants they can use. This could also potentially set up other mutant spin off shows such as New Mutants or X-Force. Now imagine a huge cast of characters, much like game of thrones, where they could really go to work and show the world just how fantastic the world of x men is.
You forgot Don't FOCUS ON ONE CHARACTER... X men are a team
Storm and Cyclops should be the main leaders especially Cyclop
Cyclops; 1st In Command
Storm; 2nd In Command
Exactly
Here for the Rogue fans!! Love my southern skunk girl
13:51 That scene was a total last-minute cop-out to save them. Just moments before, I was wondering, 'How are they going to get out of this?' and couldn't come up with any plausible solution.
Great video as always, Nando. And now, to Nebula!
Re Wolfsbane - How DARE you, sir!
ROGUE MENTIONED
We need sexiness so bad in the MCU!
I though Quinten was the one with a pink power signature? Oh, whatever 😅
You thought right! I remember him only being blue briefly.
My hope was Marvel would create a Weapon X Disney+ series where each episode focused on a different hero or villain that went through the program.
Scott & Enma needs to be in MCU
I kinda want to watch xmen 97, but I can't find the time to catch up on the first 96.
Another great inspiration for Xmen is the Evolution version. They gave the Xmen a different flavor that tasted great on its own.
Wait. The same writer who failed the first time on the Dark Phoenix story was hired again to write the same story... and suprise... it was a disaster. Wow.
Perfect list. No notes. I need the MCU X-Men to follow ALL of these points, especially the last one!
You really nailed it! Specially 3 and 4! I'm just tired of all these wolverine taking the lead. 😬🤷♂️
Logan is the face of the X-men second or tied with Spidey as most popular character in Marvel. It cant be helped.
I’m ready for Cyclops to take over the Steve Rodger’s archetype in the mcu
Your "oh, *okay*" list is missing one, that being Killmonger and his girlfriend necking in the back of the ambulance in Black Panther. Seriously. Their chemistry is off the charts.
The problem with putting any intimacy in is that a comic can just put in a couple panels with half the dialogue supporting the main story, and then imply the rest. In film it will be ten or fifteen minutes of poorly-executed runtime. Maybe you can pull it off by giving an unexpected director the reins, but that will result in different complaints.
I truly believe nobody gets the xmen like Nando, great video
Rouge! Dont just diss Rouge and think youre gonna get away with it !
6'3"?! That's a Huge Jacked Man, indeed
Great video! Great takes, beautifully constructed ideas! I offer a couple more:
6: Hire at least one Black writer and/or a Black director.
A big part of the success of 97 comes from the explicit Black coding of several characters. From the team boding over basketball, to Magneto’s whole speech to the politicians in the sky, to Cyclops using the term “saying the quiet part out loud” , these touches enriched the story and you need at least a couple of Black folk in the writing room in order to find them.
7: Emphasize cool-assed teamwork in the fight scenes!
The X-Men fight uniquely well together, because they know each other intimately and because they train a whole bunch. Gotta make that a primary feature of the movies! Think battle of New York, think the Showtime Lakers. Every X-Fight should feel like that - like a beautiful dance. Gimme Wolverine being Fastball special-ed onto a sentinel as it tries to divebomb the team. Gimme Gambit energizing a car just as Rogue swoops down and tosses it through a hole Scott just made in a bunker … stuff like that.
I totally agree with getting rid of realism
One thing that needs to be added KF's notes: If you use Mister Sinister, make sure he has an English accent!!
I am once again asking for people in general and you specifically to understand and remember that telepathy and telekinesis are not synonyms, they are distinct, different powers. With respect, this mistake drives me up the wall.
I appreciated a lot of your points, especially the ones about Jean. Jean Grey is, in my opinion, one of the hardest characters to effectively write in X-Men. A lot of people think Phoenix is the only thing she's ever done and that's far from the truth, especially when you consider that from her first appearance until today she's been technically "dead" and completely out of circulation for around a third of that time!
It’s not the X-men movie. It’s the speculation advice and apprehension we encounter along the way
Everyone blame the Fox Xmen movies for making Cyclops lame but that all started in the 90s cartoon
Five tips for the X-Men MCU movies;
1. Toad solo film
2. Toad solo film
3. Toad solo film
4. Toad solo film
And five will be a really shocker for everyone, so prepare yourselves;
5. Toad solo film
I’m ribbiting with anticipation
Not enough toad.
@@NyahJustice Toad: Across the Toadverse
i hope they do this for the future mario movies too
@@ieyemyeyes MariTOAD will perhaps be the MCU’s biggest hit yet
Chamber is my all-time favorite X-Men character and I had no idea he made it into one of the movies 😯
The First MCU x-men movie should be the OG team. Then the second movie should add gaint size x-men 1 team. Bobby needs redemption.
I agree but I doubt that'll happen since we never even got the original Avengers roster in the MCU
I unapologetically love Scott & Emma more than him and Jean😅
X-Men '97 was fantastic
Betsy Braddock mentioned i am overjoyed
For me a fourth very interesting thing they did with "Jean" was her wanting to live a normal life out of the X-men. Made sense with her character. She has always been the most reasonable of the X-people, she had been with them the longest, she has been through more than everybody and has sacrificed herself, she rejected unimaginable power and possibilities; ofc she wouldn't want to keep risking her life specially having a child. As a fan I don't want her to be out of the X-men and the X-men never get what they want anyways, but giving her that direction made me feel her growth and it is indirectly a motivation for her to deal with all the immediate threats so she can retire, so it works without taking her out of thee action.
Frosty Summers is the couple name I came up with for Scott and Emma.
that or Scott Emmers.