That and oversaturation, even if they released 10 bangers in a row I would not watch them because I’m not going to the theatre 10 times for one franchise.
They had scripts. But they were essentially working from square one - er Phase One - again and most people forgot how long it took certain OG Avengers to catch on with the public. Hulk needed a recasting to feel interesting. Captain America had a solid first outing but took until Winter Soldier for people to declare him their favorite. And Thor? Yeah Hemsworth was solid enough in his 2011 outing. But it was Ragnarok that actually made people say they cared about Thor's arc - two whole phases later. The bigger issue is there's so much Marvel at once and that burns people out. We got the massive interconnected film/TV landscape everyone demanded from the Netflix era and it turns out... that isn't necessarily the best thing for casual fans.
I've been thinking for a while about how the post credits scenes have changed. They used to tease either the very next film or the next Avengers film, but now it's just a setup for a film that isn't even in preproduction and may never happen. Doesn't exactly build hype like they used to.
It still baffles me that Phase 4 didn’t end with a Young Avengers movie. Seeing as how half the movies and shows were introducing the members and they could’ve rode on that Endgame hype while it was still strong.
@@LuffyBlack yeah that's the thing about most mcu fans, they are idiots. they haven't read a comic in their whole lives, so when any project is announced (wonder man, moon knights, thunderbolts) they will say: noBodY aSkeD fOr ThiS
For all these amazing characters and huge stakes, not many of them end up crossing over or even get mentioned in other projects. Shang chi should have been connected into something, and the dead celestial should’ve been mentioned WAY sooner than cap 4.
@@Vor567tezi think it was supposed to be for quantumania’s original ending where hope and scott got stuck in the quantum realm, since the beacon resembles the hologram that is shown by the rings.
I’m shocked Disney isn’t using the Muppets to hype more stuff. They should hire Nando to write the script for Dr Strange and the Muppetverse of Madness
Agreed 100%. There's a sesame street spoof of the first avengers movie which still holds up so well. One of my favorite moments is when Cookie Monster reveals his secret, that he's always hungry lol.
Too arrogant. Too much pride. It would make sense to get a real fan like him in the writers room even if he is only there for ideas. He’s got a channel full of great, logical, coherent ideas. The track record is there. He’s a great story teller. They’d be worried about the “stigma” that would come along with hiring a “UA-camr”.
Here's how I'd do it- Doctor Strange (Gonzo) and America Chavez (Rosita) travel across the multiverse to evade a rampaging Scarlet Witch (Miss Piggy), who is in search of a universe where she and Vision (Kermit) are married. At some point, they end up in a universe where the Illuminati (Doctor Honeydew as Professor X, Beaker as Black Bolt, Walter as Mr. Fantastic, Spamela Hamderson as Monica Rambeau, and Yolanda Rat as Captain Carter). Also, Fozzie is Wong
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho that’s a great idea and I love your casting choices for each muppet. I think you could also do it in a way where the muppets stand in for half the characters in the special, but also include some of the new MCU actors as their own characters, it would make for endless comedic possibilities. For instance, you could have Iman Vellani in the special as Ms Marvel, but Miss Piggy as Captain Marvel. Miss Piggy would say she’s the captain marvel from another universe, constantly bringing up how she’s Kamala’s idol of course, all while Kamala is flabbergasted. Giving new audiences a simple and comedic way of learning about the new characters and their place in the mcu. Each muppet, as an mcu character, pairs up with normal mcu characters they are connected to in this same way. And they all have some adventure together, which of course won’t be treated as canon by the mcu. But it would bring audiences up to speed on the characters’ relationships to each other and everything.
I fundamentally disagree with the notion that phase 4 was the phase of directorial control. In fact, most of the directors of movies in this phase have said their lack of control was the biggest problem they encountered with their films.
My #1 biggest gripe with the MCU is the MASSIVE amount of miss opportunities. Cough teasing doom, cough F4 showing up at the end of BP1, cough the eternals talking about the origin of everything and mention the x-gene. Etc etc.
in a way, I kinda don't think the MCU can really be saved, at least not w/o making some tremendous, from-the-ground-up changes. like I've been thinking about this for a couple years now, something doesn't get EASIER to manage the BIGGER it gets. It pretty much is the exact opposite. It's like this was destined to happen. And obviously continuing with their current plan, it's only going to get even bigger. I don't think this would be realistic to happen, but included in the plan to have a major shift in how they operate is letting the MCU simply go entirely quiet for at least a couple years. Give it all a break. Let people have a chance to truly miss you.
At least for the Fantastic Four showing up in Black Panther 1 thing, that wouldn't have been legally possible to do, as Disney did not own Fox at that time (filmed in like 2017, released in 2018, Disney got Fox in 2019) and I don't think Fox would have been willing to share at least those characters or the X-Men. I assume you probably meant the Fantastic Four showing up in Wakanda Forever, which would have been possible.
Cough, having the hex from WandaVision be foreshadowing for something much bigger Wanda was gonna do in M.O.M., such as accidentally creating the mutants (or reveal that she’d already erased them from memory and existence several years ago and then that hex comes crashing down by movie’s end. Oh, and have Strange show up by the season finale and undo the Westview hex at the end of that show so she has 1) a logical reason to be the movie’s antagonist besides a creatively lazy “an evil book made her evil” 2) a logical reason to go searching for her kids again and 3) a logical reason to have beef with Strange. Cough.
To add to this list of gripes - why no Apocalypse tease in Moon Knight? You have entire tombs filled with hieroglyphics and you couldn't put one depiction of the big guy in there so that much further down the line when he finally is introduced you can point at it and go 'foreshadowing'.
As much as i like the tv shows, i think Marvel works better with being event films. Also another thing that hurt them is not having Avengers films to end the phases. Phase 4 and Phase 5 should've had an Avengers film or New Avengers film in order to show the fans the new team they will be following throughout the Multiverse Saga.
Here's something extremely important that needs to be stated: The overwhelming majority of Marvel shows/movies lately has been seriously low quality with writing that has damaged worldbuilding, characters and more importantly to Disney, box office numbers(not as much as it should have but they've at least noticed the decline). Despite their countless horrible decisions I that at the very least Disney knows that unless they're 100% sure they can make something amazing that will draw people in, they're dead, there's no recovering if they use the hail Mary strategy of slapping the name "Avengers" on something with writing and characters as bad as they currently got
I just want you to know, Nando, that you are not the only one who wants to see Rhodey, Pepper, Hammer and Riri team up. That sounds like a fantastic movie!
Make 'Heroes for Hire', a cheap-to-make ongoing TV show where you can throw in different heroes and villains each week. I think would really help the universe feel connected.
honestly, Armor Wars can be marketed as an Iron Man movie. Rhodey was Iron Man in the comic before he even got the name War Machine, and the name is vacant so why not call him he new Iron Man
I know this comment section makes me feel like im taking crazy pills. Why is everyone acting like the muppets arent a dead property. the brand has not had a successful movie or show since the 90s
I can not watch this movie fast enough. On my deathbed, I will have one regret, and that will be that they never made this project. It would be such an easy way to get christmas subs on disney+
To me the biggest issue is that in the past we never went too long without seeing all of the characters and yet now, we go years at a time without seeing very important characters, mainly because you can only create so many movies at once and even if you could people would get overloaded with too much
I'll agree with this. I liked the Shang Chi movie, when was that? 2020? Something like that? And at this rate we will be lucky to see him again in Secret Wars in 2027.
Yes! This a hundred times. Literally everyone I know says they've stopped watching Marvel movies because they can't be bothered to keep up with the storylines. I would love to enjoy a Marvel movie occasionally, but I can't stand my kids asking me every ten seconds who everyone is.
So, instead of making movies as emotionally resonant as the first three phases were again, your idea is to have a character most people don't know about dictate the plot of the movies and tv shows people didn't want to watch in the first place to them? And you think that would work?
Armor wars could’ve been a great tv show, they just missed the time frame for it. Having it set and released around the time of the falcon and the winter soldier would’ve been perfect. Countries around the world are in chaos and all scrambling to become the next superpower through iron man tech. It even fits with the time frame set from Ironman 2
Doctor Strange and the Muppetverse of Madness NEEDS to happen. Make it an 8 episode series that makes fun of all of phases 1-3. One of the best movie pitches I’ve ever heard, definitely needs to be made
Completely agree with all of these, especially making more small connections. My favorite MCU moments are when the universe feels organic (like No Way Home's Statue of Liberty being in The Marvels)
I definitely agree with that they shouldn't force a cinematic universe. Marvel comics worked well in the 60's because they were connected, but you could enjoy them by themselves. The only time they should crossover in a big way is the Avengers.
Instead of more Avengers films, Marvel should just give the spotlight to other super hero teams, like the Fantastic Four. Rather than an Avengers film, Secret Wars should be the third (or fourth) movie of F4 franchise.
As someone who actually got to work a bit on armour wars, tbh I’m fine with it being cancelled. Cheadle and marvel actually contributed quite a bit too fixing up a couple buildings in my city just to shoot in it.
You have an incredible ability to make genuine and compelling suggestions on movie making in a way that never seems condescending or make you come off as a snobby critic. A truly rare gift.
I don’t know that the MCU’s issues are overstated. Everyone I know who used to see every movie in theaters opening week has stopped. Maybe they watch on Disney+, but most just don’t watch the MCU at all. For a cinematic universe it’s much harder to get fans (and bring them back) the bigger you are…
Yeah, for awhile I have been just watching the films on Disney Plus or get the Blu-rays. It's really because I recently got back to the theaters but still don't have the time or cash to do it a lot.
I have been going to movies in general a lot less than I used to. I still see every MCU in theaters with exception of Black Widow, because that was the height of the pandemic at the time. And when I go see a movie, it’s usually only once. I just don’t have the cash to spend that much money on movies right now. I do buy everything on Blu-ray though.
I think my main gripe for phase 4 was that it just felt so sporadic and had much more content with all the TV shows aswell. While I get what they are going for with the Disney+ shows, I think they just need to use those for a separate "universe within a universe" like with the Defenders shows. It seems like they are doing that with Spotlight.
They could retool/redirect Armor Wars, Wasp, Ant-Man, Young Avengers and She-Hulk to a mash-up of old and new West Coast Avengers. That would connect so many things.
I'll believe Marvel is actually in trouble when an actually notable project flops like a spiderman movie or an avengers movie, not stuff like captain marvel or antman whose movies were always have been middling.
I STRONGLY doubt MCU gave creatives freedom on Phase 4. Put a tinfoil hat on me, but smells like a lie. Eternals and even L&T felt so off the mark precisely because they're overly safe, if you think about it.
I think your Muppet idea is fun but it might be received better if it was a remake of either the original Avengers or Infinity War/Endgame - doesn't do anything to deal with newer characters but might help to reinvigorate the fanbase.
A Muppet/Avengers crossover is such an obvious mini-series/straight to Disney+ movie idea that it's frustrating to think why it hasn't happened yet. All of Phase 4 has been about reality warping, inter-dimensional phenomena - how has this crossover not happened yet? The MCU is weird, let's lean into that and get goofy with the Muppets!
The Muppets MCU movie is the crowning jewel of this video and I want it so bad. I love the set up. My only change would be to include some other mcu characters Not any more than 1 or 2 But I think Jimmy woo and or a guardian of the galaxy could be great. Maybe Thor
Basically the problem with Marvel right now is pressure from executives at Disney forcing Feige to announce projects based only on their vague elevator pitches, so shareholders believe that the studio’s pumping out billion dollar projects like an assembly line when in reality it just doesn’t work like that.
They want us to care about C tier characters like Scarlett witch and Falcon, but the only reason people cared about those C tier characters in the first place was because we cared so much about the A tier characters like ironman and cap. What marvel needs right now is an A tier character or team like the X-men or fantastic 4 to get people interested again, then we’ll care about the Cs
0:17 yeah, I'm more the "The MCU is in a transitional rebuild period that's taking longer than I thought it would but hey, as long as they don't do another Iron Fist and Inhumans, I'm cool with it." Also, MOON GIRL S02 IS OUT!!!! 11:50 yes, they should cancel some projects. They did it before, as well as retool a few. Like the MCU continuity, the schedule should be flexible or else we do get movies and series that weren't ready to be released.
A shared continuity is a trade-off: you pay the price of a consistent continuity for the reward of getting to do crossovers. The MCU should have frequent enough crossovers to justify their continuity; but now you have continual set-up with no payoff.
I want armor wars though cause we need to find out exactly when rhode was switched with a scroll also it's rumored riri Williams ironnheart will also be in it
Alternative list 1. Do something with the characters you tease. If you want to tease Hercules, use Hercules. These cameos are great, but we want more with them 2. Not everything has to be avengers, or avengers level. Separating them is fine. I know marvel has been burned from doing stuff like the defenders, but supplementing some big team up movies or shows with other teams could be very fun 3. More special presentations. They're different, and they can just as easy standalone as they can tie upcoming stuff in. 4. If something does well, follow it up. Like Moon Knight and Werewolf by night. Both are great and we have no idea when we are going to see these characters (that are now more popular because of said presentation) or stories progress 5. Take more chances. Do something different, break the mold, subvert expectations. I think it's safe to say marvel was doing it's best when they were doing NEW and groundbreaking things, and those paid off the most. There are other ways to do that. Do something different to spice it up. Again for an example, look at werewolf by night. It was fantastic and alot of that was due to how different it was compared to the rest of the MCU and how it fully embraced it.
Dear Kevin F., Nando's first suggestion on connections and post-credit scenes = solid. Here's someone who has analyzed MCU content and explained why some stuff works and some stuff works less well.
Nando's rule: every project needs to set up something coming in the next two years. I can see some pushback that slowing down production makes this harder. But, if the next three years aren't planned out... maybe that's part of the problem.
Imo Marvel needed to involve more comic writers to help treat their scripts. Maybe promote the comic or another show that the movie is based on so there is interest outside the MCU but still in the Marvel bubble.
Rowlf could be Captain America, since you didn't cast him as any other Muppet Avenger. His unflappable nature would serve him pretty well in the role, like how Steve typically plays the comedy straight man, and both have a deadpan sense of humor. I would make Sam Eagle the team's Hawkeye, solely for the recurring gag that he insists on being called Eagle Eye.
I'll take Muppets anything. I'll even take muppets in Kingdom Hearts... ok, I can't tolerate kingdom hearts so maybe somewhere I'd actually interact with. Scooter Infinaut for the win!
"Captain Marvel 2: Galactic Boogaloo" was probably just an off-hand quip, but it's a low-key brilliant title. A silly title like that would've drummed up a lot of interest online and also set the tone for what the movie actually was: silly.
The second point he made about the names of movies is such a phenomenal point! That’s why it’s genius for “Deadpool 3” to be called “Deadpool & Wolverine”
When you went on that muppets rant I thought that was a bad idea then I herd the pitch and saw the movie in my head as a special presentation and thought this could be one of the best things Disney can do ever and now I really want that like really really want it
The thing about the post-credit scenes in the recent Phases is that they seem to set up their own sequel instead of a movie that would be out next year.
I cannot agree more, Nando. The Muppetverse of Madness is gonna live in my head for the foreseeable future. And Gonzo as Doctor Strange? Inspired! And the relationship with Wong would be identical.
Agreed on all accounts. Marvel is wasting its postcredits scene prime real estate. No one really hated those. They completely changed the movie watching game. Ppl actually stay for the credits now. And now Marvel just trolls us.
I do love that "Armor Wars" premise, but, of course, I don't see how you get Pepper back at this point. Gwyneth Paltrow was friends with RDJ and enjoyed working with him, but the MCU is just not her cup of tea. Maybe, if you wrote her some monstrously large check, you could entice her back, but she'd just be going through the motions, and it doesn't feel like that would be worth it.
Is this video a meme? Why would we want marvel to ruin the muppets like they’re ruining everything else? Also Armor Wars is 2+ years away… why not cancel all of next years projects instead and just giving each project more time? These ideas don’t feel well thought out tbh…
Spot on for point one, which I think ties into point two (setup small connections then pay off with a group/larger tie in). For your third point, I wish Marvel would go back to casting relatively unknown actors they can lock in for awhile without breaking the bank. Not just a budgeting standpoint, but from a character one. Pedro Pascal is great and all, but no one will be like "oh that's Mr. Fantastic" it will be "oh that's Pedro Pascal in a blue suit", if that makes sense. Chris Hemsworth wasn't in a ton before Thor, Tom Holland wasn't in superhero movies before Spider-Man, etc. They are casting too many A-Listers thinking people want big names when really we want people who will embody the character. My last critique is that we need the independent directors have some knowledge of the shows/movies/other projects if they have characters crossing over. To me personally, Marvel started going off the rails when they followed up WandaVision with Multiverse of Madness and completely destroyed Wanda's character growth. In interviews it sounded like Raimi didn't even see WandaVision or know about it and Elizabeth Olsen was trying to make it work as best she could. How can we have a unified phase when the main character of one series completely changes in the very next movie? Lastly completely agree with Muppets, that would be fun :)
With connections, I really appreciated the secondary characters making appearances within multiple movies, like Coulson and Fury when they didn’t have their own projects. Don’t need the big names showing up to steal the spotlight
Big missed opportunity to end Phase 4 with Fantastic Four or even Thunderbolts (since Val was showing up in Phase 4, it would’ve been cool to end the phase with a sort-of anti-Avengers movie).
Great videos, as always ! For me, they should not cancel Armor Wars, but it should be "Avengers : Armor Wars" and be also about the consequencies of the blip and maybe of other avengers mistakes, kinda their cursed legacy that Rhoodey, Falcon and the new one have to deal with. Not only carying a legacy, but facing their predecessors mistakes
Marvel's problem for most movies of the past 4 years is that they have a character they want to sell you, but no script to do it with.
That and oversaturation, even if they released 10 bangers in a row I would not watch them because I’m not going to the theatre 10 times for one franchise.
@@thecluckster3908agreed 100%
I've seen your comment in soooo many videos like these dude. Not that you're wrong or anything but chill lol.
This
They had scripts. But they were essentially working from square one - er Phase One - again and most people forgot how long it took certain OG Avengers to catch on with the public. Hulk needed a recasting to feel interesting. Captain America had a solid first outing but took until Winter Soldier for people to declare him their favorite. And Thor? Yeah Hemsworth was solid enough in his 2011 outing. But it was Ragnarok that actually made people say they cared about Thor's arc - two whole phases later.
The bigger issue is there's so much Marvel at once and that burns people out. We got the massive interconnected film/TV landscape everyone demanded from the Netflix era and it turns out... that isn't necessarily the best thing for casual fans.
he just wrote this video to pitch his idea for Dr. Strange and the Muppet-verse of madness and I love that
And the problem is that pitch was too short. I need more!
I'm all about it. The Muppetverse of Madness just sounds too cool.
We need at least a special presentation, which I feel is doable.
I wants it
I'd restart my Disney subscription to watch a Muppet Avengers movie. That idea is awesome.
I've been thinking for a while about how the post credits scenes have changed. They used to tease either the very next film or the next Avengers film, but now it's just a setup for a film that isn't even in preproduction and may never happen. Doesn't exactly build hype like they used to.
It still baffles me that Phase 4 didn’t end with a Young Avengers movie. Seeing as how half the movies and shows were introducing the members and they could’ve rode on that Endgame hype while it was still strong.
Most people wouldnt like That. They feel like they are the substitutes of the Other characters.
@@gr3s473 people wouldn't ACTUALLY care about it. Yes, they would complain, but they would still watch the movie.
@@gr3s473Them they would be idiots. The Young Avengers are like the Teen Titans to Justice League
@@LuffyBlack yeah that's the thing about most mcu fans, they are idiots. they haven't read a comic in their whole lives, so when any project is announced (wonder man, moon knights, thunderbolts) they will say: noBodY aSkeD fOr ThiS
For all these amazing characters and huge stakes, not many of them end up crossing over or even get mentioned in other projects. Shang chi should have been connected into something, and the dead celestial should’ve been mentioned WAY sooner than cap 4.
The Shang-Chi had what felt like the most purposeful post-credit of the whole phase, and it's had zero follow-up.
only the concepts of these characters are amazing, the movie has no amazing characters. not anymore. That's the problem
I still hv no idea what that beacon scene supposed to be . Anyone any idea?
@@Vor567tezi think it was supposed to be for quantumania’s original ending where hope and scott got stuck in the quantum realm, since the beacon resembles the hologram that is shown by the rings.
Number one, more Justin Hammer
You’re a genius
One of the greatest mcu characters
Will we find out what happened to Ivan Vankos (whiplashes) bird, remember he wanted his bird back in Ironman 2 and Hammer wouldn’t allow it
he vont his bord
pick up the pieces
pick up the piiiieeces
I’m shocked Disney isn’t using the Muppets to hype more stuff. They should hire Nando to write the script for Dr Strange and the Muppetverse of Madness
Agreed 100%. There's a sesame street spoof of the first avengers movie which still holds up so well. One of my favorite moments is when Cookie Monster reveals his secret, that he's always hungry lol.
Too arrogant. Too much pride. It would make sense to get a real fan like him in the writers room even if he is only there for ideas. He’s got a channel full of great, logical, coherent ideas. The track record is there. He’s a great story teller. They’d be worried about the “stigma” that would come along with hiring a “UA-camr”.
Here's how I'd do it-
Doctor Strange (Gonzo) and America Chavez (Rosita) travel across the multiverse to evade a rampaging Scarlet Witch (Miss Piggy), who is in search of a universe where she and Vision (Kermit) are married. At some point, they end up in a universe where the Illuminati (Doctor Honeydew as Professor X, Beaker as Black Bolt, Walter as Mr. Fantastic, Spamela Hamderson as Monica Rambeau, and Yolanda Rat as Captain Carter).
Also, Fozzie is Wong
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho that’s a great idea and I love your casting choices for each muppet. I think you could also do it in a way where the muppets stand in for half the characters in the special, but also include some of the new MCU actors as their own characters, it would make for endless comedic possibilities. For instance, you could have Iman Vellani in the special as Ms Marvel, but Miss Piggy as Captain Marvel.
Miss Piggy would say she’s the captain marvel from another universe, constantly bringing up how she’s Kamala’s idol of course, all while Kamala is flabbergasted. Giving new audiences a simple and comedic way of learning about the new characters and their place in the mcu. Each muppet, as an mcu character, pairs up with normal mcu characters they are connected to in this same way. And they all have some adventure together, which of course won’t be treated as canon by the mcu. But it would bring audiences up to speed on the characters’ relationships to each other and everything.
Right now the closest thing to that would be some of those Simpsons shorts about the Avengers.
I fundamentally disagree with the notion that phase 4 was the phase of directorial control. In fact, most of the directors of movies in this phase have said their lack of control was the biggest problem they encountered with their films.
My #1 biggest gripe with the MCU is the MASSIVE amount of miss opportunities. Cough teasing doom, cough F4 showing up at the end of BP1, cough the eternals talking about the origin of everything and mention the x-gene. Etc etc.
in a way, I kinda don't think the MCU can really be saved, at least not w/o making some tremendous, from-the-ground-up changes. like I've been thinking about this for a couple years now, something doesn't get EASIER to manage the BIGGER it gets. It pretty much is the exact opposite. It's like this was destined to happen. And obviously continuing with their current plan, it's only going to get even bigger. I don't think this would be realistic to happen, but included in the plan to have a major shift in how they operate is letting the MCU simply go entirely quiet for at least a couple years. Give it all a break. Let people have a chance to truly miss you.
At least for the Fantastic Four showing up in Black Panther 1 thing, that wouldn't have been legally possible to do, as Disney did not own Fox at that time (filmed in like 2017, released in 2018, Disney got Fox in 2019) and I don't think Fox would have been willing to share at least those characters or the X-Men. I assume you probably meant the Fantastic Four showing up in Wakanda Forever, which would have been possible.
Cough, having the hex from WandaVision be foreshadowing for something much bigger Wanda was gonna do in M.O.M., such as accidentally creating the mutants (or reveal that she’d already erased them from memory and existence several years ago and then that hex comes crashing down by movie’s end.
Oh, and have Strange show up by the season finale and undo the Westview hex at the end of that show so she has 1) a logical reason to be the movie’s antagonist besides a creatively lazy “an evil book made her evil” 2) a logical reason to go searching for her kids again and 3) a logical reason to have beef with Strange. Cough.
This is why Secret Wars has to reboot imo
To add to this list of gripes - why no Apocalypse tease in Moon Knight? You have entire tombs filled with hieroglyphics and you couldn't put one depiction of the big guy in there so that much further down the line when he finally is introduced you can point at it and go 'foreshadowing'.
As much as i like the tv shows, i think Marvel works better with being event films. Also another thing that hurt them is not having Avengers films to end the phases. Phase 4 and Phase 5 should've had an Avengers film or New Avengers film in order to show the fans the new team they will be following throughout the Multiverse Saga.
Here's something extremely important that needs to be stated:
The overwhelming majority of Marvel shows/movies lately has been seriously low quality with writing that has damaged worldbuilding, characters and more importantly to Disney, box office numbers(not as much as it should have but they've at least noticed the decline).
Despite their countless horrible decisions I that at the very least Disney knows that unless they're 100% sure they can make something amazing that will draw people in, they're dead, there's no recovering if they use the hail Mary strategy of slapping the name "Avengers" on something with writing and characters as bad as they currently got
I just want you to know, Nando, that you are not the only one who wants to see Rhodey, Pepper, Hammer and Riri team up. That sounds like a fantastic movie!
Hammer can become Titanium Man!
This but I also need Happy in that.
It’s happening g in armor wars. We may know nothing about that movie but it’s all happening in armor wars
No to all that noise
A War Machine movie or an Iron Man 2.0 like from the comics? Sure. That seems to be the idea for Armor Wars.
The rest? No.
The Rhodey you thought you loved was a skrull, thanks to Secret Invasion ret-conning the past
Make 'Heroes for Hire', a cheap-to-make ongoing TV show where you can throw in different heroes and villains each week. I think would really help the universe feel connected.
Old school, weekly comic book approach never fails 😂. Most of these villains are redundancies anyways. Few have standout motives and personalities.
honestly, Armor Wars can be marketed as an Iron Man movie. Rhodey was Iron Man in the comic before he even got the name War Machine, and the name is vacant so why not call him he new Iron Man
I think a whole Muppet movie would be a bit much. A five-minute scene with Deadpool, that would be awesome.
As a Disney+ special, it would totally work.
Make it a What If episode
There have in fact been multiple movies with the muppets and many of them have been great actually
I know this comment section makes me feel like im taking crazy pills. Why is everyone acting like the muppets arent a dead property. the brand has not had a successful movie or show since the 90s
@@ZER000BLACKHAWK you are crazy cause you’re forgetting the well recieved and popular 2011 film
That muppet pitch will never happen but my goodness do I want it to
I am now actively upset that The Marvels was not called “Captain Marvel 2: Galactic Boogaloo”
The connection part is what I am missing the most. It’s like there’s no plan anymore
Man I never knew I wanted a muppets mcu crossover until now and now that you’ve come up with an idea for it I’m sad it will probably never happen
I can not watch this movie fast enough. On my deathbed, I will have one regret, and that will be that they never made this project. It would be such an easy way to get christmas subs on disney+
Have Bunsen turning into Hulk Beaker is hilarious and I’m here for it
To me the biggest issue is that in the past we never went too long without seeing all of the characters and yet now, we go years at a time without seeing very important characters, mainly because you can only create so many movies at once and even if you could people would get overloaded with too much
That's the real issue. Too much setup, not enough payoff.
I'll agree with this. I liked the Shang Chi movie, when was that? 2020? Something like that? And at this rate we will be lucky to see him again in Secret Wars in 2027.
I agree with Nando's earliet point that youtubers over-exaggerate the issues but at the same time there are still issues that need addressing.
Another thing Marvel can do is to get the watcher to recap important stuff people need to know before a movie. Like he's right there. Use him
Yes! This a hundred times. Literally everyone I know says they've stopped watching Marvel movies because they can't be bothered to keep up with the storylines. I would love to enjoy a Marvel movie occasionally, but I can't stand my kids asking me every ten seconds who everyone is.
So, instead of making movies as emotionally resonant as the first three phases were again, your idea is to have a character most people don't know about dictate the plot of the movies and tv shows people didn't want to watch in the first place to them?
And you think that would work?
@@Nickle_Kingis the former working?
Armor wars could’ve been a great tv show, they just missed the time frame for it. Having it set and released around the time of the falcon and the winter soldier would’ve been perfect. Countries around the world are in chaos and all scrambling to become the next superpower through iron man tech. It even fits with the time frame set from Ironman 2
Doctor Strange and the Muppetverse of Madness NEEDS to happen. Make it an 8 episode series that makes fun of all of phases 1-3.
One of the best movie pitches I’ve ever heard, definitely needs to be made
I hope they actually listen to at least 1 of these. Your pitches are bangers
Obviously they dont, kevin feige and the creatives at marvel always have a blindfold on to these sorts of things
@@Andre-vt4np With how they revamped everything with Daredevil I'm hoping they're learning
@@Andre-vt4npregardless if they listen to this, well why would they, they are making changes and identifying their own problems and fixing them
I would pay any amount of money for an mcu Muppets crossover
Completely agree with all of these, especially making more small connections. My favorite MCU moments are when the universe feels organic (like No Way Home's Statue of Liberty being in The Marvels)
I definitely agree with that they shouldn't force a cinematic universe. Marvel comics worked well in the 60's because they were connected, but you could enjoy them by themselves. The only time they should crossover in a big way is the Avengers.
Instead of more Avengers films, Marvel should just give the spotlight to other super hero teams, like the Fantastic Four. Rather than an Avengers film, Secret Wars should be the third (or fourth) movie of F4 franchise.
Kevin don't take any of this advice like usual 😂
I think we need to slow down most importantly. Quality control is way easier.
Marvel had a great crossover with Phineas and Ferb… so… yeah, the muppet crossover can work :-)
man, and I thought that nothing could even come close to the idea for Mistborn Muppets for me. Please, Marvel. Listen to this man!
As someone who actually got to work a bit on armour wars, tbh I’m fine with it being cancelled. Cheadle and marvel actually contributed quite a bit too fixing up a couple buildings in my city just to shoot in it.
Man, I hate to say it--but Muppets really gets me right in the nostalgia. Best version of Christmas Carol, no notes.
You have an incredible ability to make genuine and compelling suggestions on movie making in a way that never seems condescending or make you come off as a snobby critic. A truly rare gift.
You hit the nail on the head with post credits scenes and small connections. Solid video!
I don’t know that the MCU’s issues are overstated. Everyone I know who used to see every movie in theaters opening week has stopped.
Maybe they watch on Disney+, but most just don’t watch the MCU at all. For a cinematic universe it’s much harder to get fans (and bring them back) the bigger you are…
Yeah, for awhile I have been just watching the films on Disney Plus or get the Blu-rays. It's really because I recently got back to the theaters but still don't have the time or cash to do it a lot.
I have been going to movies in general a lot less than I used to. I still see every MCU in theaters with exception of Black Widow, because that was the height of the pandemic at the time. And when I go see a movie, it’s usually only once. I just don’t have the cash to spend that much money on movies right now. I do buy everything on Blu-ray though.
If 'write the movies better' is so obvious, why aren't the movies being written better?
How are they not being written better ?
@@mutalemwananshiku4098what a weird question, they aren’t written better bc the writing hasn’t improved.
@@aperson1670 how has it not improved.?
I think my main gripe for phase 4 was that it just felt so sporadic and had much more content with all the TV shows aswell. While I get what they are going for with the Disney+ shows, I think they just need to use those for a separate "universe within a universe" like with the Defenders shows. It seems like they are doing that with Spotlight.
The Muppet pitch is just perfect
I love this Muppet-verse pitch because it’s so bizarre and something that the MCU is missing.
Miss Piggy as The Scarlet Witch, I need that!
They could retool/redirect Armor Wars, Wasp, Ant-Man, Young Avengers and She-Hulk to a mash-up of old and new West Coast Avengers. That would connect so many things.
The crossover is Howard the Duck and Darkwing Duck. You can add Gizmoduck and Roboduck too. It can just be where Howard is actually from!
The motherducker?
Hells yes!
you know the MCU is in trouble when our greatest hope is a muppet avengers movie
This is the BEST idea for a crossover I have heard.
Marvel needs to develop your muppetverse of madness idea
I'll believe Marvel is actually in trouble when an actually notable project flops like a spiderman movie or an avengers movie, not stuff like captain marvel or antman whose movies were always have been middling.
the muppet movie would be absurd. and i would absolutely rush to see it.
Okay that Doctor Strange and the Muppets movie pitch sold me this will save the MCU
I STRONGLY doubt MCU gave creatives freedom on Phase 4. Put a tinfoil hat on me, but smells like a lie.
Eternals and even L&T felt so off the mark precisely because they're overly safe, if you think about it.
I’ve been dying for a muppets avengers movie for so long I’m so glad you said this
Step one, let the writers of daredevil and agents of shield, make their own movie series, with whatever characters they want.
I think your Muppet idea is fun but it might be received better if it was a remake of either the original Avengers or Infinity War/Endgame - doesn't do anything to deal with newer characters but might help to reinvigorate the fanbase.
A Muppet/Avengers crossover is such an obvious mini-series/straight to Disney+ movie idea that it's frustrating to think why it hasn't happened yet. All of Phase 4 has been about reality warping, inter-dimensional phenomena - how has this crossover not happened yet?
The MCU is weird, let's lean into that and get goofy with the Muppets!
I now want nothing more than for Kermit to yell to the skies “Avengers ASSEMBLEEEEEEEEEE!!!”
“This is not the end of Falcon and the Winter Soldier” the shadddeeeeee I love it
The Muppets idea is awesome
The Muppets MCU movie is the crowning jewel of this video and I want it so bad.
I love the set up.
My only change would be to include some other mcu characters
Not any more than 1 or 2
But I think Jimmy woo and or a guardian of the galaxy could be great.
Maybe Thor
Basically the problem with Marvel right now is pressure from executives at Disney forcing Feige to announce projects based only on their vague elevator pitches, so shareholders believe that the studio’s pumping out billion dollar projects like an assembly line when in reality it just doesn’t work like that.
They want us to care about C tier characters like Scarlett witch and Falcon, but the only reason people cared about those C tier characters in the first place was because we cared so much about the A tier characters like ironman and cap. What marvel needs right now is an A tier character or team like the X-men or fantastic 4 to get people interested again, then we’ll care about the Cs
they should make mini phases in phases so the continuum feels smoother and we don’t have to feel like we wait too long for films
0:17 yeah, I'm more the "The MCU is in a transitional rebuild period that's taking longer than I thought it would but hey, as long as they don't do another Iron Fist and Inhumans, I'm cool with it."
Also, MOON GIRL S02 IS OUT!!!!
11:50 yes, they should cancel some projects. They did it before, as well as retool a few. Like the MCU continuity, the schedule should be flexible or else we do get movies and series that weren't ready to be released.
A main canonical marvel muphets movie ?
Yo quiero de lo que fuma este tipo
I want the Marvel Muppets so bad now. I won’t be satisfied until I watch it.
A shared continuity is a trade-off: you pay the price of a consistent continuity for the reward of getting to do crossovers. The MCU should have frequent enough crossovers to justify their continuity; but now you have continual set-up with no payoff.
I want armor wars though cause we need to find out exactly when rhode was switched with a scroll also it's rumored riri Williams ironnheart will also be in it
Alternative list
1. Do something with the characters you tease. If you want to tease Hercules, use Hercules. These cameos are great, but we want more with them
2. Not everything has to be avengers, or avengers level. Separating them is fine. I know marvel has been burned from doing stuff like the defenders, but supplementing some big team up movies or shows with other teams could be very fun
3. More special presentations. They're different, and they can just as easy standalone as they can tie upcoming stuff in.
4. If something does well, follow it up. Like Moon Knight and Werewolf by night. Both are great and we have no idea when we are going to see these characters (that are now more popular because of said presentation) or stories progress
5. Take more chances. Do something different, break the mold, subvert expectations. I think it's safe to say marvel was doing it's best when they were doing NEW and groundbreaking things, and those paid off the most. There are other ways to do that. Do something different to spice it up. Again for an example, look at werewolf by night. It was fantastic and alot of that was due to how different it was compared to the rest of the MCU and how it fully embraced it.
Dear Kevin F., Nando's first suggestion on connections and post-credit scenes = solid.
Here's someone who has analyzed MCU content and explained why some stuff works and some stuff works less well.
Nando's rule: every project needs to set up something coming in the next two years.
I can see some pushback that slowing down production makes this harder. But, if the next three years aren't planned out... maybe that's part of the problem.
Not having Animal playing the hulk in the muppet verse of madness is criminal
I think we need a new opening Marvel title sequence. With Loki in it for once! He’s freaking *EARNT IT!*
6:58 The reason why is because for it to be a "movie," they'd need a script.
Imo Marvel needed to involve more comic writers to help treat their scripts. Maybe promote the comic or another show that the movie is based on so there is interest outside the MCU but still in the Marvel bubble.
This guy said he liked The Eternals....
That's the problem right there! Bad movies like that killed the MCU
Eternals was better than most of Phases 1 and 2
That Muppet idea sounds amazing.
The Muppetverse of Madness is genius like I’m actually sad it doesn’t exist
Rowlf could be Captain America, since you didn't cast him as any other Muppet Avenger. His unflappable nature would serve him pretty well in the role, like how Steve typically plays the comedy straight man, and both have a deadpan sense of humor. I would make Sam Eagle the team's Hawkeye, solely for the recurring gag that he insists on being called Eagle Eye.
I'll take Muppets anything. I'll even take muppets in Kingdom Hearts... ok, I can't tolerate kingdom hearts so maybe somewhere I'd actually interact with. Scooter Infinaut for the win!
"Captain Marvel 2: Galactic Boogaloo" was probably just an off-hand quip, but it's a low-key brilliant title. A silly title like that would've drummed up a lot of interest online and also set the tone for what the movie actually was: silly.
I saw "Captain Marvel 3: A Christmas Carol" pitched somewhere a few years ago…
I agree that Armor Wars shouldn't be a movie, but I want it to go back to being a Disney Plus show like it was originally supposed to be.
I'm incredibly glad you have absolutely no say in decision making.
The second point he made about the names of movies is such a phenomenal point! That’s why it’s genius for “Deadpool 3” to be called “Deadpool & Wolverine”
When you went on that muppets rant I thought that was a bad idea then I herd the pitch and saw the movie in my head as a special presentation and thought this could be one of the best things Disney can do ever and now I really want that like really really want it
It would be perfect on Disney+
The thing about the post-credit scenes in the recent Phases is that they seem to set up their own sequel instead of a movie that would be out next year.
I too need a Muppets-MCU crossover. It would print money!!!
I’m 10000% in the cinema to see Muppetverse of Madness on opening day ❤
I cannot agree more, Nando. The Muppetverse of Madness is gonna live in my head for the foreseeable future. And Gonzo as Doctor Strange? Inspired! And the relationship with Wong would be identical.
Agreed on all accounts. Marvel is wasting its postcredits scene prime real estate. No one really hated those. They completely changed the movie watching game. Ppl actually stay for the credits now. And now Marvel just trolls us.
Why disrespect your fan base like that?
Finally! A video that doesn't run on and on! Hey Nando! You don't need to ramble on for an hour!
a Muppets x MCU crossover is the best thing I've ever heard
I do love that "Armor Wars" premise, but, of course, I don't see how you get Pepper back at this point. Gwyneth Paltrow was friends with RDJ and enjoyed working with him, but the MCU is just not her cup of tea. Maybe, if you wrote her some monstrously large check, you could entice her back, but she'd just be going through the motions, and it doesn't feel like that would be worth it.
Is this video a meme? Why would we want marvel to ruin the muppets like they’re ruining everything else? Also Armor Wars is 2+ years away… why not cancel all of next years projects instead and just giving each project more time? These ideas don’t feel well thought out tbh…
Spot on for point one, which I think ties into point two (setup small connections then pay off with a group/larger tie in). For your third point, I wish Marvel would go back to casting relatively unknown actors they can lock in for awhile without breaking the bank. Not just a budgeting standpoint, but from a character one. Pedro Pascal is great and all, but no one will be like "oh that's Mr. Fantastic" it will be "oh that's Pedro Pascal in a blue suit", if that makes sense. Chris Hemsworth wasn't in a ton before Thor, Tom Holland wasn't in superhero movies before Spider-Man, etc. They are casting too many A-Listers thinking people want big names when really we want people who will embody the character.
My last critique is that we need the independent directors have some knowledge of the shows/movies/other projects if they have characters crossing over. To me personally, Marvel started going off the rails when they followed up WandaVision with Multiverse of Madness and completely destroyed Wanda's character growth. In interviews it sounded like Raimi didn't even see WandaVision or know about it and Elizabeth Olsen was trying to make it work as best she could. How can we have a unified phase when the main character of one series completely changes in the very next movie?
Lastly completely agree with Muppets, that would be fun :)
Muppet Avengers is a stellar idea!
Armor Wars should just be a Predator movie. Armor Wars is happening then boom a Predator shows up, now it's a Predator movie.
With connections, I really appreciated the secondary characters making appearances within multiple movies, like Coulson and Fury when they didn’t have their own projects. Don’t need the big names showing up to steal the spotlight
Big missed opportunity to end Phase 4 with Fantastic Four or even Thunderbolts (since Val was showing up in Phase 4, it would’ve been cool to end the phase with a sort-of anti-Avengers movie).
I love the "you, Kevin Feige" bit. It always hits when you don't expect it.
The muppets is where you lose me. They need to establish an avengers team.
Great videos, as always ! For me, they should not cancel Armor Wars, but it should be "Avengers : Armor Wars" and be also about the consequencies of the blip and maybe of other avengers mistakes, kinda their cursed legacy that Rhoodey, Falcon and the new one have to deal with. Not only carying a legacy, but facing their predecessors mistakes