That's so true! It's really mind boggling to me that the next and only Avengers movies are going to be the end of the saga instead of the intro point of the new Avengers team
I’m guessing it’s Spider-Man, Hulk, Shang Chi, Doctor Strange/Wong and Cap. Is that it? I’m not counting Kate Bishop or any of The Thunderbolts or the eternals
@@sullyproductions5757all they had to do was pull a peacemaker and have the avengers silhouettes show up to at least confirm whose on the team. They could’ve done this at the end of Hawkeye or something 😂😂
Even if Kang isn't going to be the next big bad, the build up shouldn't just be dropped. Maybe have the replacement wipe out every Kang variant in the multiverse to suprise the audience and also show the power of the villain
Tbh I still think Doom could be done well this late into the game. Thanos was lucky in that he had a post-credit scene after a super hype event film but if there was a way to recontextualize phase 4 and 5 in that Doom has been pulling threads in the shadows would be great
Idk No Time to Die did that same thing with Blofeld and SPECTRE and it felt cheap. I feel like they've gotta get at least half a movie out of what they've built up.
I fear that just shoehorning Doom in there mid-way is a disservice to Doom. He deserves to be the bad guy in a story where he is properly set up from the start not take Kang's leftovers.
It would be interesting if he got the repeat antagonist status in the same way Loki or Winter Solder got, though F4 has to get him first, and he'd have to end up being a sort of 'we can stop him, but we can't take him down'. How to make this work well after several dangerous threats got one shot would be difficult tho. Maybe some means to destroy the whole universe that he would rather resort to than defeat, but is not what he wants outright.
Bah, Film and television Doom is 2 Nanometers away from Dr Doofenshmirtz anyway, nothing to ruin with that character. Best situation is to never ever bring him into any moving picture form and just write it off as ruined.
Not sure how everyone feels about it, but I'd love to see Ultron return. He could've kept a drone elsewhere while he enacted Sokovia just in case he somehow failed in his plan
In Age of Ultron, at the end, Nick Fury says that Stark tech was detected falling into the Banda sea. This is said in regards to the hulk, however we later see hulk with his ship in Thor Ragnarok. Now there's definitely the possibility that somehow both were him. But Personally I like to think that it was a single Ultron drone that got away. Being that it isn't TOO far from Madripoor, there could be a place where he could easily hide. I agree 100% that Ultron should return and I think that could be an easy in for them to explain him being up to something behind the scenes for years.
Here’s an idea. Kang is going to be recast. But this time each time kang appears in a movie or show it will be played by different actors. It’s the multiverse and it felt strange we have only seen majors kang. Plus it would be interesting how the actor will portrait their version of kang.
im down with that, and the plus side to doing this is they can end up casting "main kang" as the most popular one of the whole bunch. why not embrace the multiverse. not all variants look the same so lean into that. and then have kang battle royale in-universe _and_ in the ratings to cast the "real" big bad kang as well..
Legit feel like this is your best suggestion video yet Nando. I got chills as that final suggestion hit. I hope above hope that this somehow finds its way to the right people
I still think recasting Kang is the best idea, but I like the idea of Wanda being used as the power source for another villain and doing a version of House of M. Perhaps Loki finds that he can't delete Kang from that timeline like others because Wanda's magic counters his own, so he needs Mobius to save her, and he needs a team to do it.
What if that creates bettleworld by accident? That deleting kang causes a major reset of reality and that whole giving up their desires thing is how they go back to the main universe. Some in favor and some against. Might not really be secret wars at that point but could make for an intereesting story.
It would maybe even make the sacrifice of 616 Tony stronger, cause it shows what he could've been and how much character development he needed to get to that sacrifice
Personally, I feel they shouldn’t have Secret Wars just yet. Make it some kind of different event film and save Secret Wars for later on when Doom and the F4 are properly built up. Avengers 5 could be a take on Siege. The Thunderbolts movie is rumored to involve that team going undercover in Wakanda and apparently the statue of Tiamut is involved. This could upset Wakanda and potentially Talokan also. In Avengers 5, Thunderbolt Ross would then go after New Asgard and Thor and the other new heroes could help defend it from them, along with Zeus and Hercules who are after Thor but want to prove the might of the gods to Earth. Maybe a resurrected Jane Foster could filter into things. Hercules would turn over a new leaf and join the Avengers by the end. And in a post-credits scene, we’d discover that the signal sent to the Ten Rings in Shang-Chi and Kamala’s bangle came from the Celestials to announce their return to Earth. Avengers 6 could involve the judgement of Earth by Arishem for their incursions and messing with time. Earth’s heroes all come together to defeat him and maybe come in conflict with the Eternals. And then once Arishem believes that Earth is worthy, he would perhaps seed the Earth with a new X-gene (as he did in the past), resulting in more mutants popping up. And so people’s fear of mutants would come from being associated with the Celestials.
While I agree Secret Wars should be saved for late and the Avengers should face other foes before dealing with this event, I'm against having the Celestials being the ones who created mutants. This would damage not just many characters backstoriesthat take place in the past (like Magneto and Wolverine) but also the concept of mutants and the hate they suffer for being different, because now people would have some to blame for their creation. It would be better to establish that mutants have always being part of the MCU (just like the sorcerers in Doctor Strange, the Atlanteans, the Eternals, the Black Widows), with some people notice them but not having clue they are a race, beliving they are just isolated incidents like any other metahuman. The MCU X-men film could be the moment where people, including the goverment finally start to realize what the mutants and some people like Senator Kelly or William Stryker could use their influence in media to turn the public against them for personal/political gain.
@@alexandrefrauches132 I see where you’re coming from with that choice. Should there be some kind of other event though that forces more mutants out of hiding? Wolverine, Mystique, Prof. X and Magneto could have been around for years though, they can retcon it so that perhaps Bucky could recognize Wolverine as “Lucky Jim” from his time in the war. And Mystique’s probably been making moves behind-the-scenes. Other than that, what do you think of the rest of this pitch?
I don't think those Thunderbolts rumors are true. Apparently they're going to fight the Sentry, and I can't possibly see how that ties into Wakanda or Tiamut.
@@colealbinder2025 Wolverine and Mystique could live among humans, with their past being keep a mystery until they meet their respective teams (the x-men and the brotherhood). As for Magneto and Xavier I would take inspiration from SUPER FRAME pitch and have being a holocaust survivor activist who was captured in the 60's and kept in cryogenic hibernation (very similar to Bucky) until Xavier found and broke him free, allowing him to live in his mansion. The two would become friends but, the more Magneto learns about humanity, the more he becomes paranoid, seeing history starting to repeat itself, that they should not live in hidding but be more active, resulting in their clash of ideologies and Magneto leaving. When the goverment discover about the mutant race and start to villanize them on public, Magneto makes his move and start to fight for mutants supremacy, resulting in his conflict with the x-men.
I love the idea of tony being the big bad, sticks to his character trait of him doing so much protection and safety protocols it becomes authoritarian. Also his universe would still see him as a hero because to them this alternate reality Wanda came in and killed there hero’s leaving there teammates wanting some kinda vengeance or security on the matter.
Making the most popular old hero into a villain that is defeated by all the not-so-popular new guys is a hard needle to thread. It could be great, but the risk of it backfiring and the audience siding with the villain is high.
This storyline could open the door to addressing the critique that the MCU has a conservative ideology. The heroes defend the status quo without question. Evil Tony Stark could represent the reactionary impulse of using power to impose control (fascism). The Avengers could represent the liberal impulse of restoring order and letting existing systems manage change. And the X-Men and some other characters could be the voices of questioning the staus quo. The Flag Smashers might fit in here.
@@invertedLOL these are the same audience who held Tony Stark, the guy who made drone warfare programs on 3 seperate occasions and blackmailed a minor into joining his blackops team, on a high pedestal. They don't have morals whatsoever
Considering how many people back Thanos almost any half decent version of battleworld will get some amount of approval. But honestly it could be fun to watch, and I don't even like most of the new cast. I just want to see the worst case Tony since it would highlight how great the main one was. All of the lessons he learned, how much he grew as a person.
@@NybergCarl the X-men being the new kids on the block would really help here, because they have always been political, and always about the kind of politics where humanizing the other is a challenge to the status quo.
@Aussie27Legend there's the twist: she takes the mantle of Kang. I'm no writer, but I'm sure that the writers could somehow spin Renslayer weaponizing Alioth against the Council of Kangs. In an effort to create a new Sacred Timeline she initiates the Secret War. Just spitballing, but there's certainly a path for them to take that doesn't involve a completely new villain we haven't seen yet. The name Kang Dynasty alludes to it. A dynasty. A line of succession of rulers. Renslayer would see herself as an heir of her TVA and HWR's initial vision.
@@kiyan5340 here's the thiny people forget about movies: they are made up lol, like you just made up a solution that is all they need to do, people acting like its some impossible feat is a bit much (you have to execute it well, of course)
I like the idea of Superior Iron Man, maybe with Tom Cruise. But what about Iron Lad? Isn’t he also a Kang variant AND a descendant of Reed Richards? Maybe even give a Iron Man variant played by RDJ a cameo at the very end to help defeat Iron Lad? That way all the time spent on Kang wasn't meaningless.
Honestly, I think they need to recast kang (I’d hope for Denzel Washington) and finish strong with that character. If you do a character like Doom you NEED years of buildup for that to be an effective moment to the general audience. A little bit of everything (a dope UA-camr) made a video bringing up all the loose plot threads still connected to Kang and frankly if people complain about the new MCU feeling disjointed now then if marvel gets rid of kang it will be even more confusing to the general audience
Not only are his best times definitely over, the man is scratching on the 70 and should not be forced to sign up for a 5 or 10 year project like that... bad enough they drag actors like Sam Jackson or Harrison Ford around like mannikins year after year instead of letting them retire in peace.
The next avengers movie didn’t have to be bigger than endgame and infinity war. It just had to establish the next team against a threat like namor, the Greek gods, skrulls etc. it just feels like they were concentrated on making everything rapid instead of spreading it out
glad I'm not alone in that, i really don't know where they can go from here. they probably don't WANT to have to go down from here in terms of scale and importance, but they definitely will have to.
@@giosbizarreart9048secret wars is probably the biggest event in marvel history a swan song for the marvel universe itself Their only rushing it because unlike the comics people age and they can’t play these characters forever
@@jaylenjayden9305 i never said they weren’t. Im saying after secret wars they NEED to scale down since that’s what ppl have been saying for years, the mcu needs more grounded character focused stories where the world isnt ending each movie.
"Wanda can't come back she died when the buil-" NO BODY, NO COPRSE. If you don't see their dead body lying there, they didn't die. And even when you do, sometimes it's actually a Skrull.
@@eurapeon that's been comics since the beginning, man. Bucky died back in the 60's in the comics. He was dead for more than 30 years before being brought back as the Winter Soldier.
Having Iron Man be the real villain of the Mutiverse Saga would be the perfect ending and be a great set up for the reboot. As a huge MCU Kang fan, your idea is better.
One replacement that wouldn’t feel so out of place/underdeveloped is to do a Maestro Hulk story - it’s already got a tinge of the multiverse and we already have a well-developed hulk that would give it emotional depth. Just have maestro wipe out all the Kang variants and then go full out dystopia.
In terms of Tony, if they do that it should only be done with Downey, since its not the character people love, its the actor who plays that character they love, so if they are doing something related to tony, steve and natasha, it should be done by downey, Evans and scarlett johansson
Was not prepared to love this pitch as much as I do. Well done! I wrote up a pitch for Loki to be the Secret Wars villain a couple years back on Reddit, but his second season pretty much resolved all that, and it would feel like a regression of the character now. I did think you were about to say Maestro when you were talking about evil alternate characters. Of course, Maestro is somewhat implicit as a secondary villain here -- as is Ultron, and I'd love to see more Ultron!
I like the idea of keeping Kang, but doing it where different variants from different points in Kang’s timeline are present. So you can easily do immortus with a different actor since there’s a ton of makeup used, but then you could do a teenage kang and an elder kang played by someone like Keith David or even Denzel if he’s interested so you wouldn’t have to necessarily “recast”. Also some of the best kang storylines dive into older Kangs interacting with his younger selves
Tony is my favourite option. It keeps the main plot of secret wars being the narcissist with a saviour complex getting control of reality thinking it's perfect but it all falls apart but without wasting Doom
While I certainly agree that Tony Stark "makes the most sense" and I even quite like the concept, I think it also raises a really big question: are you willing to dedicate Secret Wars, which if based on the 2015 story (like it should be) is a massive character study about it's main antagonist, to a character that we just buried and won't have a future after the fact? That's one of the biggest reasons I like the idea of Doom doing Secret Wars. Obviously they still need to delay the movie, but I think they could do a single Doom movie to bridge the gap, and then in Secret Wars he is the main subject of an intense character study that ends with him losing it all and the reality reverting back to the way it should be. I think it would be a bit clunky to dedicate a whole movie with Stark as the subject when he's arguably been the main character of the entire thing up to this point and we've just killed him in the last Avengers movie. But all in all I think the real answer is it should be Doom and they should delay it indefinitely. Don't release it until 2030 or something. In the meantime do 1 or 2 Avengers movies with our new Avengers team just fighting some bad guys, maybe Ultron comes back or something, and just bring things back to basics. I think doing a Tony Stark led Secret Wars movie would be the death toll of the whole thing. A brash admittance that we can't do it without the nostalgia and characters that people already know they like.
Before this video, I was firmly in the camp of just get rid of Secret Wars. But the alternate Tony Stark as bad guy... this deals with so many issues. The MCU gets to use OG Avengers, but in a way that makes the audience consider their characters more deeply. But there's a built-in way to increase the stature of the new characters.
A team of villains would be a cool change of pace. That never occurred to me. It would be nice to have the heroes battle several developed characters rather than an army of minions + their 1 leader.
Absolutely. They could even find out Mysterio survived using his illusion abilities. He would be formidable, even against someone like Captain Marvel, if she doesn’t understand she’s seeing illusions. I’d go with Ultron, Namor, Mysterio, maybe even Hela, Agatha, and the High Evolutionary. All the best villains that could still be alive and active.
Jonathan Majors aside, they really dropped the ball with Kang the Conquerer. I love the character, and the concept of having different versions of one character is interesting. But rather than all of them being variants. It would have been better if they were the same Kang at different points of his timeline.
💯💯that’s how he is in the comics not a threat to the multiverse but to time itself with versions of him scattered throughout history hence the kang dynasty
Writing where Loki is used as a battery to make battleworld, and he reaches across the multiverse for thor’s help and accidentally forming the thor corps is pretty sweet.
I'd like to see Hickman's Dr. Strange storyline with those weird mages that speak in hieroglyphics as the main bads leading up to Secret Wars suggesting it's Strange that is going to create battleworld, but instead we find out Strange has already died, and it was Clea trying to resurrect him, and in lieu of that, at the very least save his world he was so dead set on protecting. I still think it should be Kang, even if others aren't buying into a Kang led battleworld, I have and was actually looking forward to it, but if it's not Kang, might as well go with Clea.
I could see a scene where Peter is imbued with multiversal powers to match Tony. In the end peter wins and right before he can go back to the normal multiverse Tony tries to lure Peter saying: Aunt May can live, MJ and Ned can remember him, Tony can live & Peter respond with something along the line of “Tony gave his life to save the world what kind of apprentice would I be if I couldn’t do the same”.
I think a Wanda story that involves Chthon would work better. Her being completely possessed by him and her old teammates, her children with the young avengers and white vision trying to bring her back but this time it is impossible. Chthon successfully escapes his dimension and the escape creates a large chaos magic surge that creates an incursion ripping open a jumppoint hole like in the marvels but on a much bigger scale, causing the two universes to collide. A fight would ensue in secret wars with the avengers trying to stop doom, a the alternate universes doom (introduced sitting on a throne of kang skulls) trying to steal his power who ultimately succeeds with the avengers weakening Chthon, then a big fight ensues ultimately ending with scarlet witch absorbing the entirety of chaos magic, like in the darkhold series. This was just a thought though, I think the possessed Scarlet Witch is to similar to MOM and Iron Man would work way better, I just love Scarlet Witch
If they do the maker, I want miles teller to play him since he did play a younger version of reed richards in the 2015 movie and it could be a cool redemption arc for being involved with that disaster of a film
i know whatever we end up getting is not gonna be as cool as the options you laid out, but i'm enjoying living in this current moment, full of potential, before anything gets announced or leaked, and long before the movies come out this feeling of hope of all the things it COULD be is awesome, and i really enjoyed the options you listed. especially giving people like namor and mordo more to do, or your final option with stark.. that's an OG avengers return i can get behind. plus.. the whole, secret wars part 2 starting with everyone happily living in their perfect world, is a nice flip from endgame starting with doom and dread
I think Doom would still be the best choice as the next big bad in the mcu. They could introduce him at the end of the fantastic four movie by making a Doombot assassinate the villain of the movie, mole man would work great imo. The idea would be that mole man would have been sent by Doom to take revenge on Reed,for causing him to lose a job somehow which resulted in Doom and his mother becoming extremely poor and eventually his mom dying,but at this point Doom is the leader of a Sokovia he rebuilt and he doesn’t want to incriminate himself and is busy leading his country, all of that could be revealed in the first real confrontation between the FF and Doom in a later movie. Mole man would get defeated by the FF after destroying a large portion of New York, establishing that he’s a big threat and right as they are arresting/interrogating him he gets shot in the back by a Doombot that flies away and we only see a glimpse of what he looks like but obviously know what it is. The FF movie would start with Reed working at SWORD as one of the main scientists, which is the job he got instead of the other candidate, that would’ve been his childhood friend Victor. I think that would both give Doom a personal connection to the FF and a larger connection to the world because he’s the ruler of Sokovia. A Doombot being shown in the final scene is also just the perfect way to hint at Doom. They could also hint at him in news reports and things like that in further projects. He’s already established to be powerful before we ever really see him because he had a strong villain working for him just like they did with thanos.
I find it wild that they pitched doing the kang dynasty, a big story in its own right, literally right alongside fucjing secret wars. These are two big stories that DON'T need to be shoestringed together.
I would say if we're going to do the last option and bring back old characters as evil versions, I'm actually kind of iffy on bringing new actors cuz I feel like it wouldn't have the same impact. I understand it probably cost a lot, but I think we should try to get as many original actors back as possible. Besides, we know that a lot of them can play villains pretty well. We've all seen Oppenheimer. We've all seen Knives Out, etc. they can be baddies. I wouldn't recommend doing it for more than one movie but if we're going to have that impact on our legacy heroes (and bring back the fans) go with the OGs if you can.
I like the idea of the Maker though my idea for casting as the Maker is bringing back Miles Teller and he’s the same Reed from Fan4stic movie and playing off the fact that universe was a failure itself, Fan4stic itself was based on Ultimate Fantastic Four as well but maybe this is too convoluted
I understand your conclusion, but I just know that a lot of people would be really annoyed by it. We may understand the characters but it probably won't sit well with everyone to suddenly be introduced to evil versions of the characters that started the universe and won't have been seen for 7-8 years at that point. Different actors could help but that may very well be confusing in its own right.
I like the idea of evil Avengers, it was one of the things I liked most about the Arrowverse crossover "Crisis on Earth X." Supergirl meets a fascist version of herself and it highlights everything that makes the hero version so great.
Substitute villians who would need to be introduced and rushed to the front for secret wars could also include: Nightmare, Mephisto, Celestials (rough sell, but doable), High Evolutionary (kinda like where he landed, but usable still). Cabal could be multiversal and incorporate villains from other universe (Spiderman NWH already got the toes wet though): Apocalypse, Kang variant, dormammu, ultron, annihilus, (forgive spelling), most ghost rider villains. A lot of heavy hitters that exist elsewhere
I think a variant of a pre-existing hero would be great to weave and explain the multiverse further. Sinister strange breaking out if his prison or Tony Stark, Dr Strange as you’ve said.
i really wanted to see scarlet witch as the next thanos level villain. she’s been set up as a villain, then a hero, and then it would have been cool to see her as a larger more sympathetic villain for an avengers team up.
@@will9784 this is more something i wish they were doing prior to and with MoM, not so much after the fact. i still think it could work tho considering how low the MCU currently is at, a revamp is kinda necessary
Ironman would be a great bbeg, but if youre going to be taking from that universe you have to throw Ian McKellen's Magneto into the mix. Having Tony, Ultron and Magneto all on the same side would truly be a Thanos level threat.
Please please please Nando, can you make a secret wars pitch? It would be an epic 2 part video that would give you freedom to make up whatever you want to happen in the MCU. It would be awesome
We need a new generation of Hulk, Thor(maybe), iron man, Captain America after Sevret Wars, we have an opportunity to see the ultimate marvel cinematic universe with the best avengers, f4, and X-men lineups and that shouldn’t be wasted
A lot of these are really interesting, but they have to nail the protagonists first or the hero’s won’t matter. I’d love to see the story focus on strange and Peter the way IW and Endgame focused on Tony and Thor and Tony and cap. Maybe have a team led by Thor with some of the older heroes try first and get demolished ending with the death of Thor or hulk or both. And in the second you would see the newer heroes led by a spider-man who can fill both roles as someone who’s been in the previous movies but canonically isn’t very well known by the rest of the mcu.
I feel like Ashton Sanders would make a great Iron Lad/Kang! But I feel like it's such an underrated pick and everyone keeps saying John Boyega even when he doesnt want to😂
I just imagine MoM ending with a shot of the carnage of the iluminati and then seeing abd hearing a footstep of a white iron man suit, slowly going up over his suit and ending on the helmet. Then the helmet retracts and Tom cruise’s face appears behind it, his eyes burning with anger. An alternate version of natasha or Yelena appears behind him and shocked in horror asks: ‘who did this?’ Tony turns around and responds: ‘the Avengers, and they are gonna pay for it.’ End movie Then over the next few films we can get glimpses of 838 in postcredit scene before in The Marvels finally returning to 838 with Monica (because I can’t believe they didn’t do this) waking up in that universe thanks to an amputated Captain Rambeau who only just survived the statue falling on top of her. Same Mom shtick as in The Marvels bla bla bla but instead of beast walking in it’s the superior iron man accompanied by Justin Hammer and a full arsenal of torture devices. Beast follows and takes away Captain Rambeau. After the door closes Iron Man turns to Hammer: ‘She’s all yours War-Machine.’ Hammer nods and Tony leaves. He turns to Monica and says menacingly: ‘now you are going to tell me everything I need to know about earth-616, and more specifically everything about the avengers.’ End movie That’s how I see it happen
I think RDJ coming back to be a villain would be a great move to both remedy the Kang situation and bring back excitement of fans that lost hope on Marvel
I kind of hope they recast Kang. I just don't think there's enough time between Fantastic Four and Avengers 5 for Doom to settle in as the next Thanos. The multiversal saga is disjointed enough that they shouldn't throw it all away.
Stark is an awesome idea. When you really sit and think about it, if marvel can make people think it’s doom in secret wars through shadows and camera tricks, it would make an epic reveal at the end of the movie.
I'd accept The Maker as a villain if only it's an aspect that will loom over our Reed as well. He has to live with the looming threat that he may be wrong wrong decision from causing another Secret War. Ofc this requires really strong characterization from OG Reed in two diff appearances, 3 if we didn't waste Reed in MoM. But it's... possible
I still think that they need to take a step back and have the next Avengers film be smaller scale. Bring in the Masters of Evil, comprised of previous villains who are still alive. And then also do Chthon, since he was heavily teased in Doctor Strange
With the casting of RDJ as Dr Doom, it seems like we’re going to get a variant of Tony Stark who becomes Dr Doom instead of Ironman (he know he said he will be playing Victor Von doom, but there’s plenty of options in the multiverse for Victor Von Doom to still be an alternate realities version of Stark with a different name). Obviously he’s the big bad of Doomsday, but I’m kinda hoping to see ultron be the big bad of secret wars, but a version of ultron who Takes over the TVA and becomes he who remains, possibly this version of Victor von Stark builds his realities version of Ultron where he merges his own mind with The AI to become ultron himself, learns about the TVA and he who remains in Doomsday, and then takes over
Ngl, that would be a cool What If storyline! But RDJ signed a 2 picture deal (and likely a mid/end credit scene in the F4 movie) for DOOMsday and Secret Wars to be the big bad. Ps, sorry for party poopin 😕
@@SidneyJupiter I don’t think they would be paying RDJ $100 mil for each movie to not have him as the big bad. Also, Secret Wars is very much a DOOM centered story, hence why he’s getting his own movie before
I don’t think Strange will be a villain, I think he will end up in a similar boat to He Who Remains and Loki where he will become the new version of He Who Remains and perform surgery on the multiverse to fix it. Coming full circle with his character arc from the first movie where he doesn’t need to be a surgeon to save people. Granted he’s kinda already realized that he can save people by other means, it would be more so because Strange would want to more so than he felt he needed to.
Oh, so Kevin Feige actually DOES watch Nando for his pitches…
Nando, Kevin misheard you again
THIS VIDEO AGED WELL
"It is simply too early for Doom to make a move like this"
"I don't want Doom to just be a Kang replacement"
WHOOPS
WELP. You were technically right on multiple accounts
Yeah interesting
You think they are doing Tony doom?
really funny how marvel heard nando's best and worst idea and decided to just put them together
I love the idea of an evil Avengers and an “ideal world” for our heroes.
The thing about Avenger’s movies is that we usually know who the Avengers are
That's so true! It's really mind boggling to me that the next and only Avengers movies are going to be the end of the saga instead of the intro point of the new Avengers team
Fr, I don't even think the avengers are assembled???
It’s so absurd there isn’t a team right now, that Sam Wilson Captain America isn’t everywhere
I’m guessing it’s Spider-Man, Hulk, Shang Chi, Doctor Strange/Wong and Cap. Is that it? I’m not counting Kate Bishop or any of The Thunderbolts or the eternals
@@sullyproductions5757all they had to do was pull a peacemaker and have the avengers silhouettes show up to at least confirm whose on the team. They could’ve done this at the end of Hawkeye or something 😂😂
Even if Kang isn't going to be the next big bad, the build up shouldn't just be dropped. Maybe have the replacement wipe out every Kang variant in the multiverse to suprise the audience and also show the power of the villain
Tbh I still think Doom could be done well this late into the game. Thanos was lucky in that he had a post-credit scene after a super hype event film but if there was a way to recontextualize phase 4 and 5 in that Doom has been pulling threads in the shadows would be great
the last time i was hoping marvel would surprise the audience and also show the power of the villain ant-man lived
Right. Instead of dropping Kang, turn him into be a tool or plot device to prop up a better villain
Yes it should because Kang is a wimp
Idk No Time to Die did that same thing with Blofeld and SPECTRE and it felt cheap. I feel like they've gotta get at least half a movie out of what they've built up.
Sooo who’s here after the SDCC news?? 😂
Nando you unintentionally predicted the future
I fear that just shoehorning Doom in there mid-way is a disservice to Doom. He deserves to be the bad guy in a story where he is properly set up from the start not take Kang's leftovers.
Doom is always a Fantastic 4 villain first no matter how big he gets, so I agree introducing him here is weird.
Doom deserves at least a saga to himself like Thanos. He should get whatever saga is after Multiverse
It would be interesting if he got the repeat antagonist status in the same way Loki or Winter Solder got, though F4 has to get him first, and he'd have to end up being a sort of 'we can stop him, but we can't take him down'.
How to make this work well after several dangerous threats got one shot would be difficult tho. Maybe some means to destroy the whole universe that he would rather resort to than defeat, but is not what he wants outright.
Bah, Film and television Doom is 2 Nanometers away from Dr Doofenshmirtz anyway, nothing to ruin with that character. Best situation is to never ever bring him into any moving picture form and just write it off as ruined.
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Not sure how everyone feels about it, but I'd love to see Ultron return. He could've kept a drone elsewhere while he enacted Sokovia just in case he somehow failed in his plan
In Age of Ultron, at the end, Nick Fury says that Stark tech was detected falling into the Banda sea. This is said in regards to the hulk, however we later see hulk with his ship in Thor Ragnarok. Now there's definitely the possibility that somehow both were him. But Personally I like to think that it was a single Ultron drone that got away. Being that it isn't TOO far from Madripoor, there could be a place where he could easily hide. I agree 100% that Ultron should return and I think that could be an easy in for them to explain him being up to something behind the scenes for years.
With what if s1, would love him back
Ive honestly always wanted him to return. I don’t know how, I don’t know when, but I’ve always had a soft spot for that movie and villain.
Somehow, ultron returned
Maybe we cna get infinity ultron if ultron returns
I immediately thought of this video when they announced RDJ as Doom!!!!
Here’s an idea. Kang is going to be recast. But this time each time kang appears in a movie or show it will be played by different actors. It’s the multiverse and it felt strange we have only seen majors kang. Plus it would be interesting how the actor will portrait their version of kang.
im down with that, and the plus side to doing this is they can end up casting "main kang" as the most popular one of the whole bunch. why not embrace the multiverse. not all variants look the same so lean into that. and then have kang battle royale in-universe _and_ in the ratings to cast the "real" big bad kang as well..
Is Renslayer just a Kang?
Also, Crockaloki, so… Crockakang?
@@JustanotherconsumerIn the Spider-Ham comics, there was Kang-aroo the Conqueror
Legit feel like this is your best suggestion video yet Nando. I got chills as that final suggestion hit.
I hope above hope that this somehow finds its way to the right people
Nando is my favorite comic book channel guy to watch and enjoy
WELL WELL WELL 😂
I still think recasting Kang is the best idea, but I like the idea of Wanda being used as the power source for another villain and doing a version of House of M. Perhaps Loki finds that he can't delete Kang from that timeline like others because Wanda's magic counters his own, so he needs Mobius to save her, and he needs a team to do it.
What if that creates bettleworld by accident? That deleting kang causes a major reset of reality and that whole giving up their desires thing is how they go back to the main universe. Some in favor and some against. Might not really be secret wars at that point but could make for an intereesting story.
I think they should also incorporate the fact that the sucessful Kang the Conqueror is Reed Richards son Franklin Richards.
@@kingofhearts3185wanda is not that powerful compared to loki.
@@themainman1 Why is that aimed at me? All I said was Loki accidentally reset reality, with or without her.
It would maybe even make the sacrifice of 616 Tony stronger, cause it shows what he could've been and how much character development he needed to get to that sacrifice
Personally, I feel they shouldn’t have Secret Wars just yet. Make it some kind of different event film and save Secret Wars for later on when Doom and the F4 are properly built up.
Avengers 5 could be a take on Siege. The Thunderbolts movie is rumored to involve that team going undercover in Wakanda and apparently the statue of Tiamut is involved.
This could upset Wakanda and potentially Talokan also. In Avengers 5, Thunderbolt Ross would then go after New Asgard and Thor and the other new heroes could help defend it from them, along with Zeus and Hercules who are after Thor but want to prove the might of the gods to Earth. Maybe a resurrected Jane Foster could filter into things. Hercules would turn over a new leaf and join the Avengers by the end. And in a post-credits scene, we’d discover that the signal sent to the Ten Rings in Shang-Chi and Kamala’s bangle came from the Celestials to announce their return to Earth.
Avengers 6 could involve the judgement of Earth by Arishem for their incursions and messing with time. Earth’s heroes all come together to defeat him and maybe come in conflict with the Eternals. And then once Arishem believes that Earth is worthy, he would perhaps seed the Earth with a new X-gene (as he did in the past), resulting in more mutants popping up. And so people’s fear of mutants would come from being associated with the Celestials.
While I agree Secret Wars should be saved for late and the Avengers should face other foes before dealing with this event, I'm against having the Celestials being the ones who created mutants.
This would damage not just many characters backstoriesthat take place in the past (like Magneto and Wolverine) but also the concept of mutants and the hate they suffer for being different, because now people would have some to blame for their creation.
It would be better to establish that mutants have always being part of the MCU (just like the sorcerers in Doctor Strange, the Atlanteans, the Eternals, the Black Widows), with some people notice them but not having clue they are a race, beliving they are just isolated incidents like any other metahuman. The MCU X-men film could be the moment where people, including the goverment finally start to realize what the mutants and some people like Senator Kelly or William Stryker could use their influence in media to turn the public against them for personal/political gain.
@@alexandrefrauches132 I see where you’re coming from with that choice. Should there be some kind of other event though that forces more mutants out of hiding? Wolverine, Mystique, Prof. X and Magneto could have been around for years though, they can retcon it so that perhaps Bucky could recognize Wolverine as “Lucky Jim” from his time in the war. And Mystique’s probably been making moves behind-the-scenes.
Other than that, what do you think of the rest of this pitch?
I don't think those Thunderbolts rumors are true. Apparently they're going to fight the Sentry, and I can't possibly see how that ties into Wakanda or Tiamut.
@@ProjektTaku I see, I thought I heard rumors that they were trying to use the Tiamut statue to create adamantium but maybe not.
@@colealbinder2025 Wolverine and Mystique could live among humans, with their past being keep a mystery until they meet their respective teams (the x-men and the brotherhood). As for Magneto and Xavier I would take inspiration from SUPER FRAME pitch and have being a holocaust survivor activist who was captured in the 60's and kept in cryogenic hibernation (very similar to Bucky) until Xavier found and broke him free, allowing him to live in his mansion. The two would become friends but, the more Magneto learns about humanity, the more he becomes paranoid, seeing history starting to repeat itself, that they should not live in hidding but be more active, resulting in their clash of ideologies and Magneto leaving.
When the goverment discover about the mutant race and start to villanize them on public, Magneto makes his move and start to fight for mutants supremacy, resulting in his conflict with the x-men.
Feige will never beat the “Watches Nando Videos for Ideas” allegations
Weird how you were right in the first and last pitch all together. Now I will believe when you say "Hello, Kevin Feige". 15:36 2:59
Kevin watched and saw both the first and last suggestions, and said "Yes".
I love the idea of tony being the big bad, sticks to his character trait of him doing so much protection and safety protocols it becomes authoritarian. Also his universe would still see him as a hero because to them this alternate reality Wanda came in and killed there hero’s leaving there teammates wanting some kinda vengeance or security on the matter.
Here after comic con 2024
Making the most popular old hero into a villain that is defeated by all the not-so-popular new guys is a hard needle to thread. It could be great, but the risk of it backfiring and the audience siding with the villain is high.
I can already imagine “WeLl ACtUalY ToNy is RIGHT BecAuse…”
This storyline could open the door to addressing the critique that the MCU has a conservative ideology. The heroes defend the status quo without question.
Evil Tony Stark could represent the reactionary impulse of using power to impose control (fascism).
The Avengers could represent the liberal impulse of restoring order and letting existing systems manage change.
And the X-Men and some other characters could be the voices of questioning the staus quo. The Flag Smashers might fit in here.
@@invertedLOL these are the same audience who held Tony Stark, the guy who made drone warfare programs on 3 seperate occasions and blackmailed a minor into joining his blackops team, on a high pedestal. They don't have morals whatsoever
Considering how many people back Thanos almost any half decent version of battleworld will get some amount of approval. But honestly it could be fun to watch, and I don't even like most of the new cast. I just want to see the worst case Tony since it would highlight how great the main one was. All of the lessons he learned, how much he grew as a person.
@@NybergCarl the X-men being the new kids on the block would really help here, because they have always been political, and always about the kind of politics where humanizing the other is a challenge to the status quo.
Coming back after the latest comic con news and WOW!! You ended up nailing it…. kinda
You missed the obvious one. Renslayer. She was already Kang's right hand in HWR's multiversal war, and she certainly has grudge.
Might bot be "movie big" would be the problem, story wise it would work.
@Aussie27Legend there's the twist: she takes the mantle of Kang. I'm no writer, but I'm sure that the writers could somehow spin Renslayer weaponizing Alioth against the Council of Kangs. In an effort to create a new Sacred Timeline she initiates the Secret War.
Just spitballing, but there's certainly a path for them to take that doesn't involve a completely new villain we haven't seen yet.
The name Kang Dynasty alludes to it. A dynasty. A line of succession of rulers. Renslayer would see herself as an heir of her TVA and HWR's initial vision.
@@kiyan5340 here's the thiny people forget about movies: they are made up lol, like you just made up a solution that is all they need to do, people acting like its some impossible feat is a bit much (you have to execute it well, of course)
Except that she's not interesting or charismatic enough as a villain to carry this.
@@MoryBuxner because she wasn't propped up to be the saga's bad guy like Thanos or Kang was. Which is something that can be fixed with writing.
I like the idea of Superior Iron Man, maybe with Tom Cruise. But what about Iron Lad? Isn’t he also a Kang variant AND a descendant of Reed Richards? Maybe even give a Iron Man variant played by RDJ a cameo at the very end to help defeat Iron Lad? That way all the time spent on Kang wasn't meaningless.
Honestly, I think they need to recast kang (I’d hope for Denzel Washington) and finish strong with that character. If you do a character like Doom you NEED years of buildup for that to be an effective moment to the general audience.
A little bit of everything (a dope UA-camr) made a video bringing up all the loose plot threads still connected to Kang and frankly if people complain about the new MCU feeling disjointed now then if marvel gets rid of kang it will be even more confusing to the general audience
Not only are his best times definitely over, the man is scratching on the 70 and should not be forced to sign up for a 5 or 10 year project like that... bad enough they drag actors like Sam Jackson or Harrison Ford around like mannikins year after year instead of letting them retire in peace.
The next avengers movie didn’t have to be bigger than endgame and infinity war. It just had to establish the next team against a threat like namor, the Greek gods, skrulls etc. it just feels like they were concentrated on making everything rapid instead of spreading it out
I really think they should have saved the multiverse stuff until the very end. once all of reality is on the line, you can't really go up from that.
glad I'm not alone in that, i really don't know where they can go from here. they probably don't WANT to have to go down from here in terms of scale and importance, but they definitely will have to.
I see no problem with them scaling down after the multiverse especially since that’s pretty much what everyone wants
Better to do it now while most of the actors from the pre-MCU stuff are still alive. They just need to find the right story to make it work onscreen.
@@giosbizarreart9048secret wars is probably the biggest event in marvel history a swan song for the marvel universe itself
Their only rushing it because unlike the comics people age and they can’t play these characters forever
@@jaylenjayden9305 i never said they weren’t. Im saying after secret wars they NEED to scale down since that’s what ppl have been saying for years, the mcu needs more grounded character focused stories where the world isnt ending each movie.
Ultron, Annihlus, and now Superior Iron Man are my picks. Nando you sold me man. It really fits where we are and where we are going
SO HEY TODAY'S SDCC NEWS......
THIS VIDEO AGED LIKE FINE WINE
"Wanda can't come back she died when the buil-"
NO BODY, NO COPRSE. If you don't see their dead body lying there, they didn't die. And even when you do, sometimes it's actually a Skrull.
You just defined the reason very few people care about the MCU anymore
@@eurapeon that's been comics since the beginning, man. Bucky died back in the 60's in the comics. He was dead for more than 30 years before being brought back as the Winter Soldier.
Nando this is getting suspicious…there’s no way you aren’t whispering in big Kevin’s ear.
Having Iron Man be the real villain of the Mutiverse Saga would be the perfect ending and be a great set up for the reboot. As a huge MCU Kang fan, your idea is better.
One replacement that wouldn’t feel so out of place/underdeveloped is to do a Maestro Hulk story - it’s already got a tinge of the multiverse and we already have a well-developed hulk that would give it emotional depth. Just have maestro wipe out all the Kang variants and then go full out dystopia.
In terms of Tony, if they do that it should only be done with Downey, since its not the character people love, its the actor who plays that character they love, so if they are doing something related to tony, steve and natasha, it should be done by downey, Evans and scarlett johansson
I would want the new antagonist either to be Reed Richards, Stephen Strange, Loki, Tony Stark or, ideally, Ian McKellen's Magneto.
Was not prepared to love this pitch as much as I do. Well done!
I wrote up a pitch for Loki to be the Secret Wars villain a couple years back on Reddit, but his second season pretty much resolved all that, and it would feel like a regression of the character now.
I did think you were about to say Maestro when you were talking about evil alternate characters. Of course, Maestro is somewhat implicit as a secondary villain here -- as is Ultron, and I'd love to see more Ultron!
I like the idea of keeping Kang, but doing it where different variants from different points in Kang’s timeline are present. So you can easily do immortus with a different actor since there’s a ton of makeup used, but then you could do a teenage kang and an elder kang played by someone like Keith David or even Denzel if he’s interested so you wouldn’t have to necessarily “recast”. Also some of the best kang storylines dive into older Kangs interacting with his younger selves
Great ideas Nando! It seems as through Kevin liked ALL of your ideas and sort of mashed them all together 😂
Post avengers doomsday reveal it’s actually insane how close nando was.
Tony is my favourite option.
It keeps the main plot of secret wars being the narcissist with a saviour complex getting control of reality thinking it's perfect but it all falls apart but without wasting Doom
Okay I love the idea of Wanda being the molecule man stand in now that you mention it
Agatha tried it already.
While I certainly agree that Tony Stark "makes the most sense" and I even quite like the concept, I think it also raises a really big question: are you willing to dedicate Secret Wars, which if based on the 2015 story (like it should be) is a massive character study about it's main antagonist, to a character that we just buried and won't have a future after the fact? That's one of the biggest reasons I like the idea of Doom doing Secret Wars. Obviously they still need to delay the movie, but I think they could do a single Doom movie to bridge the gap, and then in Secret Wars he is the main subject of an intense character study that ends with him losing it all and the reality reverting back to the way it should be. I think it would be a bit clunky to dedicate a whole movie with Stark as the subject when he's arguably been the main character of the entire thing up to this point and we've just killed him in the last Avengers movie.
But all in all I think the real answer is it should be Doom and they should delay it indefinitely. Don't release it until 2030 or something. In the meantime do 1 or 2 Avengers movies with our new Avengers team just fighting some bad guys, maybe Ultron comes back or something, and just bring things back to basics. I think doing a Tony Stark led Secret Wars movie would be the death toll of the whole thing. A brash admittance that we can't do it without the nostalgia and characters that people already know they like.
Before this video, I was firmly in the camp of just get rid of Secret Wars.
But the alternate Tony Stark as bad guy... this deals with so many issues.
The MCU gets to use OG Avengers, but in a way that makes the audience consider their characters more deeply.
But there's a built-in way to increase the stature of the new characters.
I would really love to see RDJ or Tom cruise to play a version of superior iron man that makes sense
I think it’s no longer a secret that Nando writes the MCU movies with the recent announcement. That or this guy is just a freaking prophet
A team of villains would be a cool change of pace. That never occurred to me. It would be nice to have the heroes battle several developed characters rather than an army of minions + their 1 leader.
Absolutely. They could even find out Mysterio survived using his illusion abilities. He would be formidable, even against someone like Captain Marvel, if she doesn’t understand she’s seeing illusions.
I’d go with Ultron, Namor, Mysterio, maybe even Hela, Agatha, and the High Evolutionary. All the best villains that could still be alive and active.
@@Bonaboo Yeah, that would be cool. Bring back The Leader!
Most def a great concept
Jonathan Majors aside, they really dropped the ball with Kang the Conquerer. I love the character, and the concept of having different versions of one character is interesting. But rather than all of them being variants. It would have been better if they were the same Kang at different points of his timeline.
💯💯that’s how he is in the comics not a threat to the multiverse but to time itself with versions of him scattered throughout history hence the kang dynasty
Writing where Loki is used as a battery to make battleworld, and he reaches across the multiverse for thor’s help and accidentally forming the thor corps is pretty sweet.
I'd like to see Hickman's Dr. Strange storyline with those weird mages that speak in hieroglyphics as the main bads leading up to Secret Wars suggesting it's Strange that is going to create battleworld, but instead we find out Strange has already died, and it was Clea trying to resurrect him, and in lieu of that, at the very least save his world he was so dead set on protecting. I still think it should be Kang, even if others aren't buying into a Kang led battleworld, I have and was actually looking forward to it, but if it's not Kang, might as well go with Clea.
I could see a scene where Peter is imbued with multiversal powers to match Tony. In the end peter wins and right before he can go back to the normal multiverse Tony tries to lure Peter saying: Aunt May can live, MJ and Ned can remember him, Tony can live & Peter respond with something along the line of “Tony gave his life to save the world what kind of apprentice would I be if I couldn’t do the same”.
I think a Wanda story that involves Chthon would work better. Her being completely possessed by him and her old teammates, her children with the young avengers and white vision trying to bring her back but this time it is impossible. Chthon successfully escapes his dimension and the escape creates a large chaos magic surge that creates an incursion ripping open a jumppoint hole like in the marvels but on a much bigger scale, causing the two universes to collide. A fight would ensue in secret wars with the avengers trying to stop doom, a the alternate universes doom (introduced sitting on a throne of kang skulls) trying to steal his power who ultimately succeeds with the avengers weakening Chthon, then a big fight ensues ultimately ending with scarlet witch absorbing the entirety of chaos magic, like in the darkhold series. This was just a thought though, I think the possessed Scarlet Witch is to similar to MOM and Iron Man would work way better, I just love Scarlet Witch
I would love a Superior Iron Man story, and an Avengers Stark Dynasty movie
I like the fact that Spiderman would have to show he overcame the shadow of Iron Man and the guilt Doctor Strange would have with seeing an Iron Man
Loved how you spun Dark Avengers and House of M into a realistic idea... that's pretty dang cool!
Nando kinda called it
I like ScreenCrush’s take on how Galactus could be a Universe-eater. kangaroo was keeping him inert by pruning them, and now he’s free…
THIS AGED WELL
Imagine an after credits scene of Dr. Doom standing on a mountain all Kang's variants that he killed.
Marvel hire this man!
On second thought maybe don’t because then we wouldn’t get awesome videos like these. Great stuff nando!
If they do the maker, I want miles teller to play him since he did play a younger version of reed richards in the 2015 movie and it could be a cool redemption arc for being involved with that disaster of a film
i know whatever we end up getting is not gonna be as cool as the options you laid out, but i'm enjoying living in this current moment, full of potential, before anything gets announced or leaked, and long before the movies come out
this feeling of hope of all the things it COULD be is awesome, and i really enjoyed the options you listed. especially giving people like namor and mordo more to do, or your final option with stark.. that's an OG avengers return i can get behind. plus.. the whole, secret wars part 2 starting with everyone happily living in their perfect world, is a nice flip from endgame starting with doom and dread
I think Doom would still be the best choice as the next big bad in the mcu. They could introduce him at the end of the fantastic four movie by making a Doombot assassinate the villain of the movie, mole man would work great imo. The idea would be that mole man would have been sent by Doom to take revenge on Reed,for causing him to lose a job somehow which resulted in Doom and his mother becoming extremely poor and eventually his mom dying,but at this point Doom is the leader of a Sokovia he rebuilt and he doesn’t want to incriminate himself and is busy leading his country, all of that could be revealed in the first real confrontation between the FF and Doom in a later movie. Mole man would get defeated by the FF after destroying a large portion of New York, establishing that he’s a big threat and right as they are arresting/interrogating him he gets shot in the back by a Doombot that flies away and we only see a glimpse of what he looks like but obviously know what it is. The FF movie would start with Reed working at SWORD as one of the main scientists, which is the job he got instead of the other candidate, that would’ve been his childhood friend Victor. I think that would both give Doom a personal connection to the FF and a larger connection to the world because he’s the ruler of Sokovia. A Doombot being shown in the final scene is also just the perfect way to hint at Doom. They could also hint at him in news reports and things like that in further projects. He’s already established to be powerful before we ever really see him because he had a strong villain working for him just like they did with thanos.
I find it wild that they pitched doing the kang dynasty, a big story in its own right, literally right alongside fucjing secret wars. These are two big stories that DON'T need to be shoestringed together.
I would say if we're going to do the last option and bring back old characters as evil versions, I'm actually kind of iffy on bringing new actors cuz I feel like it wouldn't have the same impact. I understand it probably cost a lot, but I think we should try to get as many original actors back as possible. Besides, we know that a lot of them can play villains pretty well. We've all seen Oppenheimer. We've all seen Knives Out, etc. they can be baddies. I wouldn't recommend doing it for more than one movie but if we're going to have that impact on our legacy heroes (and bring back the fans) go with the OGs if you can.
"Tony Stark, the man who's never wrong" could be a great tagline either that or "Tony Stark, the man who thinks he's never wrong"
I like the idea of the Maker though my idea for casting as the Maker is bringing back Miles Teller and he’s the same Reed from Fan4stic movie and playing off the fact that universe was a failure itself, Fan4stic itself was based on Ultimate Fantastic Four as well but maybe this is too convoluted
That's such a meta joke I actually really like it.
I understand your conclusion, but I just know that a lot of people would be really annoyed by it. We may understand the characters but it probably won't sit well with everyone to suddenly be introduced to evil versions of the characters that started the universe and won't have been seen for 7-8 years at that point. Different actors could help but that may very well be confusing in its own right.
For bonus points: Cast the guy from Rogers: The Musical as Iron Man for Secret Wars.
I like the idea of evil Avengers, it was one of the things I liked most about the Arrowverse crossover "Crisis on Earth X." Supergirl meets a fascist version of herself and it highlights everything that makes the hero version so great.
Doom needs to be in multiple f4 movies, a strange movie, and cameo in many other things, maybe even get his own series, before his finale movie
From downtown Nando slam dunk to bring it back!
Substitute villians who would need to be introduced and rushed to the front for secret wars could also include: Nightmare, Mephisto, Celestials (rough sell, but doable), High Evolutionary (kinda like where he landed, but usable still).
Cabal could be multiversal and incorporate villains from other universe (Spiderman NWH already got the toes wet though): Apocalypse, Kang variant, dormammu, ultron, annihilus, (forgive spelling), most ghost rider villains. A lot of heavy hitters that exist elsewhere
I think a variant of a pre-existing hero would be great to weave and explain the multiverse further. Sinister strange breaking out if his prison or Tony Stark, Dr Strange as you’ve said.
i really wanted to see scarlet witch as the next thanos level villain.
she’s been set up as a villain, then a hero, and then it would have been cool to see her as a larger more sympathetic villain for an avengers team up.
I think that would really render MOM useless though
@@will9784 this is more something i wish they were doing prior to and with MoM, not so much after the fact. i still think it could work tho considering how low the MCU currently is at, a revamp is kinda necessary
They've done that twist already and again even though the whole point of her wandavison arc was letting go of her trauma. It would make no sense
I LOVE this! but for it to really work... it had to be RDJ.
agreed new actor will not work
Ironman would be a great bbeg, but if youre going to be taking from that universe you have to throw Ian McKellen's Magneto into the mix.
Having Tony, Ultron and Magneto all on the same side would truly be a Thanos level threat.
Please please please Nando, can you make a secret wars pitch? It would be an epic 2 part video that would give you freedom to make up whatever you want to happen in the MCU. It would be awesome
We need a new generation of Hulk, Thor(maybe), iron man, Captain America after Sevret Wars, we have an opportunity to see the ultimate marvel cinematic universe with the best avengers, f4, and X-men lineups and that shouldn’t be wasted
A lot of these are really interesting, but they have to nail the protagonists first or the hero’s won’t matter. I’d love to see the story focus on strange and Peter the way IW and Endgame focused on Tony and Thor and Tony and cap. Maybe have a team led by Thor with some of the older heroes try first and get demolished ending with the death of Thor or hulk or both. And in the second you would see the newer heroes led by a spider-man who can fill both roles as someone who’s been in the previous movies but canonically isn’t very well known by the rest of the mcu.
I feel like Ashton Sanders would make a great Iron Lad/Kang! But I feel like it's such an underrated pick and everyone keeps saying John Boyega even when he doesnt want to😂
And I will have iron lad in my avengers kang dyansty comic/fan made movie he will be apart of my kang version of the black order
I just imagine MoM ending with a shot of the carnage of the iluminati and then seeing abd hearing a footstep of a white iron man suit, slowly going up over his suit and ending on the helmet. Then the helmet retracts and Tom cruise’s face appears behind it, his eyes burning with anger. An alternate version of natasha or Yelena appears behind him and shocked in horror asks: ‘who did this?’
Tony turns around and responds: ‘the Avengers, and they are gonna pay for it.’
End movie
Then over the next few films we can get glimpses of 838 in postcredit scene before in The Marvels finally returning to 838 with Monica (because I can’t believe they didn’t do this) waking up in that universe thanks to an amputated Captain Rambeau who only just survived the statue falling on top of her. Same Mom shtick as in The Marvels bla bla bla but instead of beast walking in it’s the superior iron man accompanied by Justin Hammer and a full arsenal of torture devices.
Beast follows and takes away Captain Rambeau. After the door closes Iron Man turns to Hammer: ‘She’s all yours War-Machine.’ Hammer nods and Tony leaves. He turns to Monica and says menacingly: ‘now you are going to tell me everything I need to know about earth-616, and more specifically everything about the avengers.’
End movie
That’s how I see it happen
Well, with the recent announcement, looks like they haven't seen this video and are going with the Dr.Doom. bit disappointing.
Very disappointing,
I think RDJ coming back to be a villain would be a great move to both remedy the Kang situation and bring back excitement of fans that lost hope on Marvel
I kind of hope they recast Kang. I just don't think there's enough time between Fantastic Four and Avengers 5 for Doom to settle in as the next Thanos. The multiversal saga is disjointed enough that they shouldn't throw it all away.
Stark is an awesome idea. When you really sit and think about it, if marvel can make people think it’s doom in secret wars through shadows and camera tricks, it would make an epic reveal at the end of the movie.
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
I'd accept The Maker as a villain if only it's an aspect that will loom over our Reed as well. He has to live with the looming threat that he may be wrong wrong decision from causing another Secret War. Ofc this requires really strong characterization from OG Reed in two diff appearances, 3 if we didn't waste Reed in MoM. But it's... possible
I still think that they need to take a step back and have the next Avengers film be smaller scale. Bring in the Masters of Evil, comprised of previous villains who are still alive. And then also do Chthon, since he was heavily teased in Doctor Strange
Honestly, the best thing is to recast Kang by aging him up
denzel kangington
Bro more or less called it
Well Kevin, should we finally listen to nado
Kevin: well yes but actually no
I don't like changing plans mid-way. Keep Kang, recast Majors. Then start from the start with whoever is that next bad guy.
Easier said than done
@@liquidrufus is it? I think the alternative is far harder.
Well, if the rumors about Majors' contract are true, then nobody else could legally play Kang, so it may be pretty tough.
Problem is no one wants to see Kang anymore. Regardless of Jonathan Majors.
@@globesurfer122 that, too. Other than Loki season 1 he has been extremely underwhelming.
With the casting of RDJ as Dr Doom, it seems like we’re going to get a variant of Tony Stark who becomes Dr Doom instead of Ironman (he know he said he will be playing Victor Von doom, but there’s plenty of options in the multiverse for Victor Von Doom to still be an alternate realities version of Stark with a different name). Obviously he’s the big bad of Doomsday, but I’m kinda hoping to see ultron be the big bad of secret wars, but a version of ultron who Takes over the TVA and becomes he who remains, possibly this version of Victor von Stark builds his realities version of Ultron where he merges his own mind with The AI to become ultron himself, learns about the TVA and he who remains in Doomsday, and then takes over
Ngl, that would be a cool What If storyline!
But RDJ signed a 2 picture deal (and likely a mid/end credit scene in the F4 movie) for DOOMsday and Secret Wars to be the big bad.
Ps, sorry for party poopin 😕
@@joshcunningham3823 this could literally just be the plot of those two movies
@@SidneyJupiter I don’t think they would be paying RDJ $100 mil for each movie to not have him as the big bad. Also, Secret Wars is very much a DOOM centered story, hence why he’s getting his own movie before
@@joshcunningham3823 if you actually read my comment you’ll realise I said he’s the big bad of both
I just hope they do Triumph and torment with Dr Doom and Doctor Strange.
Just recast Kang. It's really that simple.
I don’t think Strange will be a villain, I think he will end up in a similar boat to He Who Remains and Loki where he will become the new version of He Who Remains and perform surgery on the multiverse to fix it. Coming full circle with his character arc from the first movie where he doesn’t need to be a surgeon to save people. Granted he’s kinda already realized that he can save people by other means, it would be more so because Strange would want to more so than he felt he needed to.
Making Strange a villain is also just redoing Wanda's arc.
@@jackroberts2704 EXACTLY