She’s South African not American. Her terms and experiences are different. She’s colored 🤷🏾♀️ that’s how they say it. Now leave it and stop projecting.
@@javionriley8739 It is because of responses like yours that Tyla did not wanna address this on the show. We South Africans have been explaining the cultural differences between black and Coloured people for months now! However you vehemently refuse to hear and understand. So it’s extremely tiring having this discussion. Please learn and accept that Coloured people are a racial and cultural group. They speak a different language and have a different culture from ethnic black folks.
As a South African in South Africa , we absolutely do not consider Tyla black. Coloured is a race here and it's okay if the rest of the world doesn't agree 🫶🏽
@Kii_1127 exactly. Even if she is embraced by us. I don't see her blk fishing lmao she's still being herself. Yes she will benefit, that's the reality of life atm. If she did claim to be a blk woman. We still would be like. No tf you not. Like we do with Latto 🤣
Would you believe us (black) Americans that agree that mixed/coloured ppl should be called mixed and not black are called divisive for wanting a distinction between black and mixed?? 😂😂
Please do not speak for over 40 million African Americans. Most people can understand that ethnicity, culture, and nationality is different regardless of skin tones.
Well, South Africa is much like America in that "others" classified black people, and we did not get a say. So, you guys are not the ideal on how things should be!!!!
Tyla IS coloured… She is MULTIracial & that is how the refer to themselves over there. Not everything is centered around America & our obsession with race. SHE IS NOT AMERICAN & didn’t say anything wrong about HERSELF 🙄
Blk ppl in American are always obessed with race whether u light or dark...its sad. Saying u colored isn't a bad thing at all. lmaoo tf what race they want her to claim? The community is so ignorant asf.
She did say something wrong. She is in America now so she should and needs to adjust to American cultural. You wouldn’t go to Japan demanding they act like Americans so she nor SA should ask Black Americans to act or think like them. Being from another country doesn’t excuse her to remain ignorant and selfish.
@@AppleBloom21 Actually plenty of Americans do exactly that. We have a reputation all over the world because of our insane belief that the world revolves around us. That's what this is. She does not have to alter her culture, racial identity, and the words she uses to describe them to please whiny Americans who believe their culture and history is more important than anyone else's.
@@AppleBloom21 You are insane. She said nothing wrong, she is coloured, that's her identity but also acknowledges that Americans won't call her that and it's okay.
Im American and wasnt offended. People just always need something to be outraged about. When I personally think of black I dont thing of Tyla anyway she looks more Indian in my opinion. The world does not revolve around Americans and what they think but I can see why she cares about our opinions. Also, I think media should respect people feelings and time because he knew he shouldnt have asked her that
I really wish we Americans would let the one drop rule go .... Arguing that clearly multi-ethnic or ambiguous people are black/should see themselves as black is narrow and only contributes to our own erasure
THISSS! It’s actually exhausting. Blck Americans call anyone with one drop blck, even if they have a completely different phenotype. Very weird behavior.
South African Black girl here. The US needs to recognise that they do not dictate how the rest of the world classifies or identifies racially. We all have our history, however twisted, it’s ours. You cannot bully Tyla out of her experience and identity! Wtf! And I agree 100% with what Darren said.
I don’t think that’s the issue. The issue is whether she belongs in black spaces ie is she part-time black when it’s convenient and not when it’s not. If she’s mixed race then OK. But don’t claim black at other times. Don’t go to black award shows, or claim to belong in black spaces.
That is what needs to be said! We in the US do not run stuff like that and it is annoying that people here feel the need to project our beliefs onto others. You all have your history just like we have our own. Thank you for educating folks :)
Foreigners cosplaying and exploiting foundational black american identity and culture for money, power, and respect is even more exhausting. Your colonized mindset is exhausting! #TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
Victoria ATE!! Tyla addressed the negative connotation of the word colored, and it’s obviously used different in South Africa. ALL artists need to stop going on the messy breakfast club. He could have asked ANYTHING but race baited
Facts! She might want to address the issue in a different interview but certainly not there with Charlemagne the Megalomaniac's intellectually challenged trolling. No good was going to come of that. No good comes from that show.
There’s not much to ask her, even explained that they were given a list of things not to asked her. Also she’s not even that talkative so it was boring, that’s why the interview was short 😂
In SA coloured is not the same as mixed race. That's like referring to black Americans as just African. You're erasing their history and culture. Trevor Noah is mixed but Tyla is coloured.
Tyla is Coloured not "colored", this is not only an actual racial group in South Africa, but it's an entire culture. There is no controversy here, just american ignorance at its peak. She's already explained it so many times, and clearly you can only do so much to try and "educate" people who are so committed to their ignorance. People are just looking for some negative narrative to have about her. Anyway, may our girl keep shining❤ Born In the Wild is gooooorgeous and has great replay value🔥
Great so you have a bunch of confused mixed people in South Africa upholding a racial status that placed them above the darker skin Africans OK that’s some Third World primitive stuff if you any black Americans, but that’s common of you people
No it's actually many Africans that are ignorant. Most of you aren't taught anything about real American history so you need to actually check your ignorance. We learn about Apartheid in school and we are familiar with the fact that whites in South Africa created the colored term to classify colored people differently from themselves and Black South Africans.
As an african living in africa I've always known mixed race people to be "Coloured" and not black. it's not just in South Africa. many other African countries like Zambia refere to mixed race individuals as coloured ,thats how its been
That's not true!! What about Burna Boy with his black A$$, Wizkid, Tems etc they are all getting attention in America and Burna Boy is selling out seats at Madison Square Garden. Your statement is all CAP!!
Tyla didn't do anything wrong. She just wants to sing and dance everywhere. Tyla's tried to be sensitive and accommodating but some people constantly change the goalpost of what their issues are with Tyla. Its no way to win with these people. I bet they don't even know why they are mad anymore. Tyla doesn't deserve this.
No one is blaming Tyla. However her culture is about being better than black people and it appears that she only wants black peoples support for profit. That’s asking for too much. African Americans need to begin to be better gatekeepers of their culture.
Her fans are actually the problem. Most of this started because someone said they never thought Travis Scott would be with a black girl and her fans flipped out and started calling 30 million black Americans stupid instead of just saying hey she isn't considered black in South Africa. And as we said they are still marketing her in black spaces while trying to say she isn't black which is confusing because America has white or non-black spaces that she could be in but she knows her market is black people.
It’s not Tyla’s job to educate the masses about what “colored” is - if she doesn’t want to keep talking about it she doesn’t have to. When we depend on celebrities to educate us about things we don’t know, we end up just not knowing. I’m not a big fan of “Google University research” but in this case, it’s a simple and useful tool.
In the USA using a derogatory term will have her canceled as white artist have been canceled for using similar terms different country different rules. She don’t like it go back to Africa and talk to Mufasa.
Charlemagne needed a moment he does that every single time with artist like Tyla. Started off the interview messy and you could tell Tyla was not feeling that man and was uncomfortable.
Don’t blame Charla.. he did nothing wrong. When you go on shows they ask controversial questions! TYLA should have been fully prepared to answer it in a very professional way. Again THATS THEIR JOBBBBBBBB.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like to me Charlamagne Tha God was trying to lighten the mood by being the clown that he is. Tyla was rather self-protective and nervous (or tired). All the hosts seemed kind of nervous, like they were trying not to walk on eggshells and keep the normal energy of the show. They're usually more relaxed with the people that come on the show--even other sensitive people like Tyla.
@@sanskretrolightening the mood by claiming and telling the whole world that she pooped before the show, which was a lie by the way? Some of the bullying yall justify when it’s targeted towards people you don’t like is amazing.
I’m glad Tyla shut it down because we as South Africans have beeen explaining the term to Americans on social media… but they just wont listen (some of them). Im glad she kept quiet
@@carolynrjacksonnot everyone is gonna read what yall say do you know how many black people are in America yall sound dumb she did herself a disservice by not answering the question and she can thank South Africans when her numbers in America plummet 🤦🏽♀️
Thank you! The rest of the world accepts them as African and we don't care about those Americans gate-keeping culture because they think the rest of the world should be centered around American issues. As long as they keep the orange fool out of the yt house I don't care.
I dont understand how yall say shes marketing herself black Americans shes just being herself and embracing her african roots thats why yall think shes trying to be black when in actuality shes african
Now say that for Every woman who ever "has black friends," "has sex with black men," or has 30% black genes OR LESS.... Let's invite them ALL TO THE COOKOUT 😮😂🤔👎🏽 yes ALL these Gretchens can market themselves and blackfish and do whatever they feel, free country
Stop lying. She uses our lingo and everything. She tries to be just like us but don't want to be called one of us. She can have several seats. At least come over here and be respectful. Don't come over here trying to profit off us. We're not a fashion choice.
@@TheJulieeaathat’s a lie ..Trevor identifies as bi-racial..being coloured means BOTH your parents are coloured and BOTH their grandparents are coloured!!! I’m coloured myself, Trevor Noah is NOT COLOURED!
Not these ninja men and women pressuring Tyla to call herself black 😂😂😂 she’s mixed and that’s okay. Idk why black people want her to be black so bad. If y’all wanna claim her claim Charlize Theron, too. She’s South African too.
They can't claim Charlize bc she's white blonde woman who can call them the n word if she chose too (Charlize wouldn't) but they wan't to live through Tyla bc somehow they believe they look like Tyla (yeah funny hahahaha)
How y’all gonna say she should’ve used this platform to explain like she hasnt already? This is why she’s hesitant to get into the topic of RACE because ppl will pick it apart. She’s explained it before NUMEROUS times and ppl wanna get messy. She avoids the question and topic to avoid tension or offend anyone and YALL STILL FIND SOMETHING WRONG with that smh
And then they wonder why Beyoncé stopped engaging in their interviews. They're pushing Kelly Rowland away as well by continuing to ask her about Beyoncé when she doesn't want to engage the topic. Then they wonder when she reacts the way she does. They just enjoy pushing people's buttons. It's time artists protect their peace and careers. Haters will hate regardless.
@@lotusphoenix8 She’s explained a few times what her race is and has stated MANY TIMES that IN SA, THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE CLASSIFIED AS. Like where she’s from (South Africa), they are just considered “COLORED”. In other videos and the TBC interview snippet, she also acknowledges tht the term “colored” here, where we’re from (US of A) is a derogatory term. She’s aware of that. How did ppl take that as she’s disclaiming her “black side”?
@@debbiesperspective Because they just want to discredit her potential, her achievement and her right to breathe in certain spaces. These people are turning into racist oppressors themselves
I know you’re smarter than this. Do you think everybody watched the video you watched of her explaining isn’t this the same young lady that sold 24k albums first week she’s blowing it for herself
I respect the South African stance of NOT identifying as Black when multiracial. Because let's be honest, just as the guy said, biracials and multiracial, don't all the time experience the same levels of treatment as someone who is 100% Black (racially African aesthetic). They may be privileged aesthetically and would receive better treatment than those who are more perceived as African based on features. They are showing respect but living within their own truth. I respect that
Which is precisely why actual black South Africans don’t want colored to identify as black. Because they have privileges that the rest of us just don’t.
In SA coloured is not the same as mixed race. That's like referring to black Americans as just African. You're erasing their history and culture. Trevor Noah is mixed but Tyla is coloured. Black South Africans did offer coloured the option to be identified as black. They didn't accept that because they felt like it would erase their culture and history. In conclusion, black South Africans did impose the term coloured on coloured people. It was the white apartheid government that classified according to these groups. NB: Interracial couples in SA produce mixed-race babies and not coloured babies. Only coloured couples produce coloured babies.
Nooooo we (or rather me) don't even consider ourselves better 😢 ..... often i wish i had a specific culture or tribe that i can pinpoint and say we do this and that in our culture. Being multi generationally mixed you do have a sense of not belonging yet we are in this coloured miscellaneous drawer. And it's been that way ever since mixed people came about after 1600s in cape town our genes are all over the place and that was the culture and group that was created in and of itself 😢
@@jabulilekhoza7617 you hit the nail on the head. Even south Africans like lump biracial and coloured people together. I always tell them that it's not the same. This comment is the one people need to see.
I wish Tyla clapped back and told him there’s a world outside of the US and he should get a passport. I’m from the UK, black Caribbean heritage and I have friends that are black, white and colored from SA. It’s so interesting speaking to them as African pple with different experiences. Let’s learn about each other. Speak to people, ask questions the world is an amazing place with vibrant people and culture.
As a black South African, I’m proud of Tyla for staying true to her identity and not claiming blackness. In South Africa, the “one drop rule” didn’t take effect as it did in America. During Apartheid, if you were mixed with anything, you were considered coloured. Black people were the lowest ranking “class” citizens and our forefathers’ experience were different to those of coloureds. Coloureds got certain privileges that black people didn’t, so did Indians. Though coloureds’ experiences were not as smooth during Apartheid as the white race, their proximity to other nationalities (usually white and Indian) meant they weren’t subjected to oppression in the same extent that black people were. If Tyla had claimed that she was black in South Ah, it would’ve been a problem. It’s disappointing that she is getting backlash for actually being politically correct.
Nobody is asking her to claim Blackness we know she is mulit racial which is fine. But Black Americans also do not have to adhere to white supremacy race classifications like " colored.". I'm familiar with South African race policies and i get ya'll did not come out of segregation until the 1990's but damn
@@jayelee7112Tyla literally said she doesn’t expect anyone outside of South Africa to call her colored. You can call her mixed. What is the problem? You choose to be dumb.
coloured started long before apartheid and the khoisan are the lowest ranking population , to date.. learn the proper history and not the post apartheid history that continue to push the bull shit narrative of who has been the most fckd ova
Tyla has explained it already bro… what else do you want!! 😂😂 btw “coloured “people don’t consider themselves “black” in Africa…. But you are not ready for that conversation 😂😂😂 in short racial identification is a whole different ball game in Africa than it is in America. We should learn to accept/respect that and not forcing your standards/classifications onto others
Tems' vibe is like if velvet was a person. 🥰Victoria Monét and her artistry is perfection. Now onto Tyla; this discussion is tired like having to explain why BLM was important. Its honestly weird how obsessed African Americans are with her race. The rest of the diaspora doesn't behave this way. Even Afro Latinas/Latinas/Polynesians have made the same comments about African Americans forcefully calling them black or having to explain their ethnicity. Can someone explain why this is? Tyla is Coloured and if that's such an issue she should just come back home cause we love her here regardless.🇿🇦❤
The Black Aesthethic that people claim she is stealing I really hope it's not Braids yall are referring to because box braids were literally created in South Africa. Her music beats, performance clothing style, lyrics are all African. She is African and is absolutely allowed to dress in a way that reflects her culture.
@@TashaXi go and Google, BRAIDS ORIGINATED IN AFRICA AND TYLA IS AFRICAN!!!!! Just do a quick Google search. Amapiano is a South African genre of music that has nothing to do with American music or sound. Even her dancing is a South African style of dance.
@@TashaXi Box braids literally comes from South Africa. The same behavior that we constantly call White people out for is what you're literally doing. You can't just steal a whole culture and act like you created it. This is colonizer mentality
It's stupidity and obsession with identity politics in America. Watch Sage Steele story. If one is multiracial they don't want you to acknowledge your white side which is pathetic
I'm glad Tyla is reaffirming that she's colored. It's a fact! There's a whole race of colored people in South Africa with their own cultural identity & history.
@@destinixshakur she used it the first time she mentioned her ethnicity, there have been multiple explanations and discourse for months. ignorance is bliss for some
@@lotusphoenix8she had explained it before and they jumped on her neck. If they want to learn or understand, Google is free. They just want to bully that girl.
As South African, The discussion on Tyla was the most balanced I've heard from any American blogger. Thank you Impressive for putting it into context. Hopefully more people will understand.
I don't know mfethu because Empressive talked about Tyla's siblings' phenotype as if that excludes them from being coloured. Then she came for the esthetic and implied that Tyla is adopting a black people's esthetic while her esthetic is just how coloureds and blacks present themselves in South Africa . She needs to do more research before coming with such ignorant opinions next time
@@zinhlem138I may need to listen to this again. I guess for me, the most important thing is for the American public to realise coloured is a racial class in South Africa. She's not denying anything. There's no hierarchy. Black South Africans are not offended. It just is, what it is.
Empressive my love. Tyla has already explained it in numerous interviews. How many more interviews and platforms is she supposed to address this? Come on … 😩 enough already… Americans and their obsession with race 😩. Let her talent speak for itself!
Americans are not obsessed with race. Racial identity and categorization are at the centre of American social hierarchy. While Americans need to do more to learn about other cultures, Tyla’s mistake was not answering the question on air the way she did in the statement for social media. We need to be honest- Tyla’s team does not want to jeopardize her standing with Black Americans because losing their approval means that her music would lose credibility with most American audiences. Her PR team screwed this up.
Personally I think it’s about time African Americans begin to gate keep their music and culture. Everyone wants to come into African American spaces for profit but they are not part of the culture. Tyle is being very honest and proud of her culture as she should but the question is why didn’t she stay and market herself in her culture. Why is her music so very African American adjacent with a sprinkling of Afrobeats. She and her team know that she needs the African American market as a springboard for the rest of the world. How can you ask people to support a culture who historically looked down on them, coloured people’s culture says they are better than black people. That is their culture, please make it make sense.
@@fandommenace9575 Her music went farther than her demographic. The same as Hip-Hop. It's White people and people all over the world who buy it. She's NOT an R&B singer. Her music is Amapiano based. It's fusion though. But AfroBeats is fusion as well. She does not have to pander Black Americans
@@fandommenace9575 as a South African I completely agree. She wants to make money from Black Americans but she cannot explain her race to the very same people she is trying to appeal to ??😂😂
Bruh! People must educate themselves including Empressive since she thought that Tyla is thought to be adopting black people's aesthetic and that is such a patronizing and an ignorant American thing to say. She needs to search coloured's aesthetics in South Africa because she is speaking out of her heart not her research
Colored is a civil rights term Coloured is a ethnicity its a different word !! Like won and one !! I'm from NY live in South Africa we gotta realize other countries have there own cultures and history it's not centered around America !! ❤
Nobody said SA should be centered around the US! Do you not know the history of the term coloured and that it derived from whites during Apartheid???? Similar to colored it was used by whites as a derogatory term. Smh. Please educate yourself.
@@JasNakira-bs5nxsure was and in SA at this present moment they choose what it means for their society. Just bc you seee it that way doesn’t mean a whole sovereign country will change it. They know their history and decide what the future holds for them. Black then is also a derogatory term considering where it came from and how it was used during and after colonialism and slavery. But we still use it and it is an identity that holds cultural significance for many people. Same difference. let it go
@@JasNakira-bs5nx I just read another comment that said it was black people in SA that coined the term and called them that. It became and official classification during Apartheid. Is that true?
But wasn’t the fact that he asked in the interview acknowledging the fact that everything isn’t centered around Americans? You would think he said a statement like “it’s so dumb you are an ethnicity called couloured” no he wanted to educate the masses. Also I’m from the UK and we know nothing about coloured culture here. It’s not just Americans that need education
Victoria did the damn thing and reminded folks what a real music video should look like. I’m also happy she did a Kaytranada beat/ production justice and gave it the treatment it deserves..this is how u keep elevating..everything she incorporated Janet, MJ, ballroom, effects etc..amazing
Tbh honest the number South Africans in the comments saying Tyla is coloured has ALWAYS outnumbered the amount of black people/Americans in the comments claiming her to be black. To me the reality of the situation is not that many black ppl care to argue. Tyla could be showing us her favorite lipgloss and here y’all come, “TYLA IS A COLORURED WOMAN FROM SOUTH AFRICA. SHE IS NOT BLACK SHE IS A PROUD SOUTH AFRICAN. “ like okay it just keeps coming out of nowhere when it’s not even the purpose of a video she may be posting. Idk if it’s just the algorithm pushing the comments to the top but it’s fine that she’s South African. Not all of us Americans are trying to argue about it. Some of us, we get it but y’all don’t have to keep saying it out of the blue every five minutes. Like it be coming from left field. Tyla really be minding her business while y’all just arguing over her identity. And idk if Ms. Empressive agrees or not. But it’s okay for her to identify with both if that’s what she wants. It’s up to Tyla. Y’all are really arguing with yourselves tbh. I for one love Tyla and love what she brings to the music industry wherever she is in the world at the time. I am proud of her. But it just seems as if people are taking their little interactions on the internet with other people in America and assume that none of us get it. The people who do get it aren’t busy arguing online in comment sections. They are actually living life. Even if it’s 10,000 black Americans that wane call her black, that still doesn’t make up the majority of us. That’s like a grain of sand on the beach and y’all are dragging it. Tbh if I was South African I would be so proud that I wouldn’t have time to be arguing with ppl that don’t get it. If they don’t get it then just leave it in the dust. the arguing is wasted energy. The people that wanna argue about it are gonna sound ignorant It’s that simple. But We are not all ignorant.
Nikhona🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦. I'm a black South African and tyla did nothing wrong. Here in South Africa we understand what she means. Go tyla🇿🇦🇿🇦❤️we love you sisi and Mzansi🇿🇦 is right behind you ❤️
Sikhona! These people are tiring. Imagine how many cultures live in South Africa and we're doing great at it. America can't cope with just 3, black white and coloured. They wouldn't survive here mos 😮
Never mind South Africa. This is a non-issue to all Africans who have basic of knowledge about SA. Hell, most Europeans get this. How in God's name can you refuse to educate yourself about another country's history. And then paint yourself as the victim. They truly are tiring.
As an African (I’m Congolese) I find all of this very annoying and frustrating (so I don’t even imagine how Tyla feels) The rest of the world understands the difference excerpt Americans and they want to force her to call herself a black woman when she’s not. Also, y’all have a problem with Tyla calling herself coloured but wasn’t the terms nigga a racial slur? But y’all use it daily. So there’s a certain level of hypocrisy here. And it feels like a lot of y’all are mad that she refuses to call herself a black woman because of y’all’s one drop rule
As a Black American, I have to say that THIS is the BEST response!!! You are EXACTLY right! I do not like using the N word as a term of endearment! Listening to my people use such a word, YET have an issue with someone who is NOT of our culture call herself by the exact term used in her country is just diabolical and delusional! Our frustration is truly displaced! 💯
I'm African American/Ghanian, and I agree. I don't use the N word, I absolutely hate it. There's this whole notion of saying it because AAs see it as "reclaiming the word". How can we reclaim something that we never originally gave to ourselves? We were not calling ourselves that before THEY chose to!
Nope we know she is not like us and we don't care . But you not finna to bite off our culture for our dollars while using a term that was created by a White racist Apartheid regime to put you above Black SA. As long as she is pandering to the Black American community we got question and if she doesn't like it she can go home and cater to the coloured community .
At least Tyla is honest about her cultural identity. I respect that more than some of the phenotypically ambiguous mixed race people who don't acknowledge that their walk in life can be drastically different from others who move in the same spaces. If she calls herself colored then that's her business.
Yall don’t remember that Disney movie with a black family that took in that white South African girl and they thought she would be black and she came there and she was white ? They was mad? And then she called them colored because in her country that’s what they referred to Black mixed looking people. y’all don’t remember that movie from Disney.
Also, take into consideration admixtures in the US. Most black people here are not fully black anyway and have anywhere between 70% to 90% african DNA.
Coloured people are an actual race, and culture in South Africa. We don't mean just biracial people... If you are in South Africa, you never confuse a black man with a coloured man, even though sometimes our skin tones overlap...
Empressive actually was the first person I heard talk about Victoria Monet . After her review of the song 'on my mama' I had to go and watch the video for myself. Instant classic! And I'm so happy she won a Grammy too, well deserved. The video for 'Alright' is great too, which I'm glad because ' on my mama' was such a cultural phenomenon, I'm sure it was challenging for she and her team to try to come up with a video just as visually stunning, but she killed it. Especially the Choreography. In fact I honestly think some of the special effects detract from the choreography, but that's just me being picky ...it's still a great video 💯🙌🏾😌
She does she herself said she knows it’s a derogatory word in the USA. The exact market she wants to be successful in. Her being from another country shouldn’t excuse her using the word. Even white ppl feel uncomfortable saying colored so all she will end up doing is making everything awkward. If you went to another country you would have to change to fit into their culture. Tyla needs to do the same. She wants the American dollar, then okay accept the American way.
Tyla doesn’t need to explain anything. She has already explained it once and Google is FREE… it’s not her fault that most of us Americans are ethnocentric and view the rest of the world through our own lens.
I'm not sure if I'm the only one who viewed it this way but Empressive, sometimes when you react to mixed individuals addressing their blackness, I feel like it is done with a bias or interestingly negative undertone. Thank you for covering the topic, but you're delivery of it is interesting to me . Important topic nonetheless and I think Tyla continues to handle it greatly
She does capitalize off of blackness in America. I’ll give concrete examples to save you time: - Essense magazine (created for black Americans: Her team got her an entire spread a few months back - She opened for the most popular BLACK AMERICAN artist (therefore gaining his fanbase) Chris Brown - She specifically collaborates with many black American artist and black west African artist. (Gunna, Travis Scott etc) - she got an opening spot on the BET awards (an awards show in America for black entertainment television). - also let’s not forget that being coloured is a beautiful and vibrant culture in South Africa. There’s many popular artist in South Africa and you can’t listen to the music without learning and knowing their ethnicity (Ex: Samthing Soweto, Makhadzi, Simmy) they all are showcasing their ethnic group in South Africa and their native language and you can even see it in their visuals. In comparison Tyla is branded as a generalized black African in South Africa. Bacardi dances, hairstyles, and even amapiano music,..all of these created by black South Africans. Coloured culture is different than black South African ethnic groups. She should be proud of it instead of cosplaying any and all things South African just to cross over and appear as a black African. 🫶🏾
@@josepho.8317 just some PR 101 any artist a newbie opens for is strategy to gain the headliners target fanbase. Chris Brown is a direct gateway to gaining American target audience & capital. And to answer your question Obviously yes black Americans have been is core fan base since he entered the industry back in 2004 and he’s literally a black American discovered and made by us.
I understand Tyla and the gentlemen’s explanation. A woman of color who is IMO an immigrant told me to not call myself “Black” and how it was so wrong. I’m Black American my entire family is born in America. You’re not gonna immigrate here then tell me what to say! I was so happy to block her 😂
Even Tyla is a unique coloured in SA. You don’t see coloureds in South Africa who dance or sing to black music (Amapiano) who wear braids or weaves, she’s a rare case even in SA, I know she’s not cosplayinh cause she’s been doing it since a high school.
@@lovelight1149 you needn't worry about her and other colourds. they usually have 3 to 4 generations of families in the same areas so they can effectively locate all their ancestors. these are not individuals you are talking about , its people that have nices, uncles grand parents great grand parents like everyone else. as someone that is not colourd but with a whole caucasian side of the family that i have zero contact with . they wrote me off . now i no longer care because i am a dad of 3 so i have my own tribe and i am good. This is how some of us start our own tribes and we expand from there.
As for the topic with Tyla. I know it can be VERY exhausting and annoying to constantly repeat yourself . But everytime she comes on to a different platform , that is a NEW audience she is presenting herself to. She should see that as an opportunity to take control of the narrative and to EDUCATE . She’s new here still . Curating a standard and answer and being prepared for further questions around the matter is her PR JOB ! And tho it was a very “boss” move . To look back and her have her team speak . It was too early in her career . We are still get to know her and her culture .
Who else has to explain themselves at this level of detail before being accepted for their career? Race has been studied in schools and universities, those are the appropriate resources to consult. She is an artist, not a scholar
Yes! She has explained herself so much already, all he has to do is Google it. I also hate getting asked the same question over and over and over again.
It’s not valid. He’s a piece of shit with no journalistic integrity. He was trying to bait her, he knew what he was doing. That wasn’t the only inappropriate question he asked her.
@@erikadlloyd5586 i absolutely can’t stand it. The only difference between myself and Tyla is I wouldn’t have looked to a publicist or anyone else to handle it for me. I would have straight up said, “I’m tired of explaining myself. Next question.” She doesn’t owe anyone anything and vice versa.
Doesn't matter where she's from. I see Tyla as an artist who wants to be as successful as everyone in the music industry. Tyla definitely will be a star and she should be. I don't see her as a South African artist but an artist who stands out from the rest. Just wish her all the best.
I think the primary issue when it comes to Tyla revolves more so less about how others and how she personally identifies within the US/SA context, but more so how she identifies in relation to the entire Black diaspora to who as a collective demographic of consumers Tyla is marketed towards. Let's face it, because Tyla - even as a multiracial woman - is African and hails from one of THE most musically influential countries when it comes to current popular music, her brand is by default going to lean into towards catering to a Black audience by profiting into Black aesthetics and proximity. Her being multiracial though not the most essential thing to her talent, is something that plays well into her favor as it pertains to her desirability. There is no negating that because of this very fact that because she is mixed - and regardless of how we may personally perceive and identify her as - is an integral component to her marketability within the Black sector of the music industry. I think the reason why people are misconstruing her words and her personal identity is because we want to be able to understand who she is and whether or not as a collective demographic we can digest her music and Tyla herself as a brand, who as a artist and thus product being promoted to us, is so seeped heavily in blackness. In theory, how do we receive and relate to the product that is being sold to us that does not fully reflect us?
Experientially, you have to understand that her being coloured is a completely different experience from being black within the South African context. Now remember the experience or definition of being black is not a monolith in Africa, it is broken down into cultures. So in Africa, we don't just experience ourselves as being black, but from a certain cultural perspective. There are unique behaviors associated with each category of blackness or culture. Yet, there are some experiences that are universal. For Tyla, being Coloured has its own cultural context and experience that is very different from other black cultures.
But in that context you would never understand because you're not an African. If you love the music and it moves your soul, why does it matter the race of the person? Nothing about her is political. It's just popular music for the masses. As a South African I grew up on a lot of American artists and their genres. From R&B, hip hop, Rock, Pop and even Country. I never stopped to ask myself if I should like the music because I identify with the person singing it.
@@YAHUAH_merem_ebele I agree 100% that being black is not monolithic, especially in different cultural settings and contexts. However, as a artist and thus a product who is being promoted on a global scale towards the black diaspora, Tyla's uses her image as a Coloured/multiracial woman to her advantage by still inadvertently and INTENTIONALLY catering towards black listeners, no matter if they are American, British, African, Carribean, etc. And yes, we know that Coloured people have their own history & culture, but what I am trying to emphazise is that Tyla uses her ambiguous promximity to blackness to her benefit as her brand to the COLLECTIVE Black diaspora. She is mixed, not black, so therefore her target audience is not going to be fully reflected in her personal identity, and vice versa. That is where the disconnect lies.
@@mynamemeansfaith9809but that’s not really her it’s her team she’s an artist to make music for the masses. And because she’s pushed in the states with black Americans cause it’s culturally similar to what she probably knows as a coloured in her country. Outside of the US the issue of race is just perceived differently, it’s almost like we want her to conform for us here for us to be able to connect with her and I just don’t feel that is or should be the case. She can continue to push her culture and allow us to embrace the coloured experience which due to her being from Africa will have some similarities to black Americans which will automatically make her music and by proxy her more marketable in black spaces
First of all thank you @empressive for continuing to educate us and the rest of the world about different cultures. We as South Africans know how sensitive the term coloured is to our American brothers and sisters but please understand that a mixed person in SA e.g Tyla, Trevor Noah etc are referred to as Coloured. Which is a whole race in South Africa. It’s not by any means a deregatory term by any means. We love, accept and respect our coloured brother and sisters. If you were to see an official form in/from SA it usually says ethnicity/race: African, Indian, white, coloured or other? It’s a norm for us. I feel bad that Tyla(my Zulu cousin) is getting so much backlash for expressing her identity and that’s really who she is btw! And that people cannot accept that and view her as someone who is trying to benefit from black culture and not claim it. But in reality that is the beauty of SA, mixed people have an identity and they are allowed to express themselves in any race they feel cause they are mixed, we don’t judge them but we embrace them. And it’s such a unique thing that we decided that they deserved to be recognized and acknowledged as a unique race. That is why SA is called the rainbow nation 🇿🇦❤. ASAMBE!!!
Let's just call her mixed and call it a day because if she calls herself coloured in the states she gets backlash from black Americans, but if she acquiesces and calls herself black then she'll get backlash from the South Africans. She's mixed so let's call her as she is.
When "South Africa for Dummies" is desperately needed. An amazing country with an extraordinary history. I guess it's too complicated for some Americans.
South Africa is the dummy letting her represent them. SA representation should be Negros. Do you not understand how you are being undermined by here image wise in the American market?
I really love how Ms Lovely Ti broke this down and I also would like to say that Tyla won an Grammy for best AFRICAN ACT Most of her songs are amapiano and pop based Right now Amapiano and Afrobeats are becoming famous worldwide
The Black people in South Africa don’t see her as black, but coloured. She and her parents are mixed/ multi-ethnic. I’m a Canadian-Jamaican & when I look at them to me they look West Indian/ Cooley. Depending on where you are from people categorize everyone differently. At the end of the day we are all human & for the past 21 years she has identified & has been called a coloured person.
@@Kells7928 I don't know the meaning hey, we were just told not to use it when I was a child. It was considered derogatory without explanation. I never looked into the history and meaning behind it.
Cooley is Kula amongst some South Africa. I'm curious to know more but the term is a bit derogatory. Because sometimes we'd include East Africans as a part of South Asians if I'm not mistaken.
Tyla did the right thing by not answering the question in that interview. She has answered this question many times. We as South Africans have also been drawn into this debate many many times, trying to educate people on why coloured is different to black in South Africa. At this point, people keep bringing it up because they want to "educate" us about our own country and racial identity (it would be funny if it wasn't annoying), not because they're genuinely interested in learning. NB! Just simply being mixed race doesn't make you coloured in SA (Trevor Noah is NOT coloured). Coloured people have a long and unique history as a group.
I will say that being African is an experience as an African( West African) myself born and raised, I feel like Tyla is tired of this topic but It would have helped for her to have spoken about it at the breakfast club because this topic isn't going to go away and will follow her for her career unfortunately. Secondly, I would say it is important to be educated about other people's cultures other than your own.Lastly this is not a time to have Afrophobia or be xenophobic
The breakfast club is not a place to have nuanced conversations. They are looking for sound bites and you don’t know what follow up comments where they gonna have. The audience ain’t different either. At least she put out a statement that anyone can read.
I don't think it will follow her her whole career. At least, not necessarily. If she continues to success, people will stop asking and stop caring eventually. People are curious because the don't know about it and she's new. So she really should explain it as much as she's asked while she's new. Once your publicist intervenes like hers did, it becomes a thing. She should have answered it, like she did all the other times. In a matter of fact way, like it's no big deal. All artists have to do this when they're new, but the question they get repeatedly asked are different.
Tyla does need to explain cuz she said herself she knows in America it’s a derogatory word. It’s not just black ppl that would feel uncomfortable it’s white ppl too-no pop radio DJ wants a sound bite of him/her going around calling a black person “colored” Tyla and her team has had this question before-too many times to not have a prepared answer. Personally, I don’t think Tyla and her team wanted her to be seen as black but as racially ambiguous but they realized the America white audience saw her as black and had to switch audience targets now black ppl are clocking it and they are doing damage control. If Tyla wants the Black American support then she does need to adjust her lingo and just say biracial/multiracial. It’s crazy many SA want Black Americans to change our perception of the word for Tyla when she is entering America. Nope, Tyla needs to Show respect to culture, history, to Black Americans because she is entering in our space.
You just made a lot of bs up. Tula has never disrespected anyone or asked anyone to call her a coloured. This is the third time she is telling everyone that she is black in America and coloured in SA. The video where she spoke about this is literally from last year but yall still continue to bring the same topic up and act like she hasn’t addressed it. Just say you don’t like her and keep it moving
@@sportsnumber1567 are you okay? Did you fail the third grade? She did disrespected black Americans when she keeps saying colored. If you’re not Black American then you don’t get to decide who she disrespected that’s not your place. Nothing I said is made up. She does want the American dollar/support so she does need to supper and respect Americans especially Balc Americans. You and anybody else that won’t admit this just proving the point SA think they are so much better than Black Americans and we don’t deserve our respect. Bye with all that.
When Americans travel to our African countries, we respect them and their identity. We don’t ask them to conform to our ways. Why should Tyla erase her racial identity to make you comfortable?
All i can say to all South Africans today we celebrate June 16 because the brave youth of 1976 took to the streets to fight the same thing we debating about race and segregation they lost their life so we can have liberty to have an opinion and be heard and be given equal education they fought not to be taught in language of the oppressor. Let's all educate and be educated the struggle is always the same , love , peace and togetherness. Happy Youth day South Africa and all the people who fought for us so we can enjoy liberty❤
This topic about Tyla’s race the longer it is dragged the more it makes our fellow brothers and sisters in the Black American community looks bad. Coz Tyla has never said anything offensive but day in and day out BAs are complaining about her. It’s looking very bizarre and a bit like bullying and xenophobia
It truly has been sad to watch as a coloured person. Our African ancestry is always called into question so sick of it. Thanks for yoir comment though 😊
We’ll maybe she should stay and South Africa 🇿🇦 she’s trying to make us black Americans like her she’s in our spaces she has to explain or we won’t support
At some point Black America needs to let go of the one drop rule that only causes Black people harm any way. Let people be what they actually ARE. (Mixed)🙄 Also the US term coloured is NOT the same as the South African definition. They are two different expressions.
I shake my head when I see situations like Tyla's and this 'backlash'. When there is infighting, colorism, caste systems, and the inability to recognize the different and shared black experiences; it sadly plays into white supremacy and internalized white supremacy. This should not be a controversy because blackness and being black exists across the world, cultures, phenotypes, etc & when can we all can educate ourselves on this without otherizing or stigmatizing each other because our experiences or words are/were different. Yes, that means more than just saying black Americans or African Americans don't get it, it is more complex than that.
That's why there are scholars who handle a topic of this magnitude with the care and respect it deserves, but people just want to place it on the shoulders of a 22 year old. It's ridiculous
She doesn’t owe Americans sh*t. As an American myself- we need to educate ourselves on terminology that we don’t understand. We clearly all have phones, computers, iPads, etc to do the research- if we didn’t, we wouldn’t even know who she is. It’s not that hard to do a quick google search.
I don’t understand why ppl don’t get the subject of being mixed race. It doesn’t disqualify anyone if they identify as mixed race. Tyla should be celebrating her success , not talking about her race, which is not that big of a deal.
My people need to make up their minds. We have taught the world to say "Black, Brown, and People of COLOR" We said (COLOR) to include people who are non-black and non-white but have somewhat melanin. We always think of others but never ourselves and every time get bitten in the ass by other groups. We get mad at the wrong shit! But anyway, I love my people. But we need to get it together.
5:55 what platform? The way he even asked the question was ridiculous. She has done several and several interviews, radio, tv and magazines explaining this thing. SHE IS TIRED! Please!
She’s South African not American. Her terms and experiences are different. She’s colored 🤷🏾♀️ that’s how they say it. Now leave it and stop projecting.
Yeah, that’s not gonna fly for a black American and quite frankly she’s already one hit wonder hence why you don’t hear her songs on the radio no more
@@javionriley8739 It is because of responses like yours that Tyla did not wanna address this on the show. We South Africans have been explaining the cultural differences between black and Coloured people for months now! However you vehemently refuse to hear and understand. So it’s extremely tiring having this discussion. Please learn and accept that Coloured people are a racial and cultural group. They speak a different language and have a different culture from ethnic black folks.
@@javionriley8739 I’ve heard more than just water on the radio. Why are you bashing her? What did she do to you?
@@javionriley8739 I’m a black American and it flies with me so….
Coloured not colored
As a South African in South Africa , we absolutely do not consider Tyla black. Coloured is a race here and it's okay if the rest of the world doesn't agree 🫶🏽
Well said sis. I hope we wake up too!!
@Kii_1127 exactly. Even if she is embraced by us. I don't see her blk fishing lmao she's still being herself. Yes she will benefit, that's the reality of life atm. If she did claim to be a blk woman. We still would be like. No tf you not. Like we do with Latto 🤣
Would you believe us (black) Americans that agree that mixed/coloured ppl should be called mixed and not black are called divisive for wanting a distinction between black and mixed?? 😂😂
Please do not speak for over 40 million African Americans. Most people can understand that ethnicity, culture, and nationality is different regardless of skin tones.
Well, South Africa is much like America in that "others" classified black people, and we did not get a say. So, you guys are not the ideal on how things should be!!!!
Tyla IS coloured… She is MULTIracial & that is how the refer to themselves over there. Not everything is centered around America & our obsession with race. SHE IS NOT AMERICAN & didn’t say anything wrong about HERSELF 🙄
Its definitely a classification in South Africa.
She could’ve said that.
Blk ppl in American are always obessed with race whether u light or dark...its sad. Saying u colored isn't a bad thing at all. lmaoo tf what race they want her to claim? The community is so ignorant asf.
She has
Exactly
Tyla said nothing wrong. She's not American and shouldn't be hated on for saying she's colored.
She did say something wrong. She is in America now so she should and needs to adjust to American cultural. You wouldn’t go to Japan demanding they act like Americans so she nor SA should ask Black Americans to act or think like them. Being from another country doesn’t excuse her to remain ignorant and selfish.
@@AppleBloom21How is she asking Americans to think like her?!
@@AppleBloom21 Actually plenty of Americans do exactly that. We have a reputation all over the world because of our insane belief that the world revolves around us. That's what this is. She does not have to alter her culture, racial identity, and the words she uses to describe them to please whiny Americans who believe their culture and history is more important than anyone else's.
@@AppleBloom21she still lives in SA and Black Americans need to understand that there are other communities and cultures besides their own
@@AppleBloom21 You are insane. She said nothing wrong, she is coloured, that's her identity but also acknowledges that Americans won't call her that and it's okay.
Im American and wasnt offended. People just always need something to be outraged about. When I personally think of black I dont thing of Tyla anyway she looks more Indian in my opinion. The world does not revolve around Americans and what they think but I can see why she cares about our opinions. Also, I think media should respect people feelings and time because he knew he shouldnt have asked her that
They asked because they didn't really respect her or her culture imo.
Yes
I really wish we Americans would let the one drop rule go .... Arguing that clearly multi-ethnic or ambiguous people are black/should see themselves as black is narrow and only contributes to our own erasure
THIS! We wanna replace ourselves with mixed people because we’re lowkey obsessed with having a proximity to whiteness (or non blackness)
THISSS! It’s actually exhausting. Blck Americans call anyone with one drop blck, even if they have a completely different phenotype. Very weird behavior.
@@LaAerialexactly. I'm really sick of it. There's no such thing as the one drop rule anyways
I call it having low self esteem
💯💯💯 as a mixed person myself
South African Black girl here. The US needs to recognise that they do not dictate how the rest of the world classifies or identifies racially. We all have our history, however twisted, it’s ours. You cannot bully Tyla out of her experience and identity! Wtf!
And I agree 100% with what Darren said.
I don’t think that’s the issue. The issue is whether she belongs in black spaces ie is she part-time black when it’s convenient and not when it’s not.
If she’s mixed race then OK. But don’t claim black at other times. Don’t go to black award shows, or claim to belong in black spaces.
Thank you
That's what America does, I'm from here, America is VERY touchy about everything these days........it's annoying.
Mixed American here and they try to dictate us here too lol 😭😭😭
That is what needs to be said! We in the US do not run stuff like that and it is annoying that people here feel the need to project our beliefs onto others. You all have your history just like we have our own. Thank you for educating folks :)
I love how she looked back instead of answering
The race obsession is exhausting considering Tyla is unproblematic and done already told us. Damn.
Race obsession starts and continues with white people not black Americans.
lol. I felt that😅
Foreigners cosplaying and exploiting foundational black american identity and culture for money, power, and respect is even more exhausting. Your colonized mindset is exhausting!
#TheyNotLikeUs ✊🏿💪🏿👑🇺🇲
I’m literally so exhausted😂
Some people live bringing up race because they like feeling like the victim.
Victoria ATE!!
Tyla addressed the negative connotation of the word colored, and it’s obviously used different in South Africa. ALL artists need to stop going on the messy breakfast club. He could have asked ANYTHING but race baited
black people so obsessed with race no wonder y’all so divided🤣😭
Facts! She might want to address the issue in a different interview but certainly not there with Charlemagne the Megalomaniac's intellectually challenged trolling. No good was going to come of that. No good comes from that show.
There’s not much to ask her, even explained that they were given a list of things not to asked her. Also she’s not even that talkative so it was boring, that’s why the interview was short 😂
Tyla is not a black woman. She’s multiracial and we can definitely call her mixed.
She’s black and she can say she’s black
Exactly.. we want everybody to be “black” so bad and people be mixed! Get over iiiiiiiittttttt.
Or we don't have to label her or others anything anymore.
In SA coloured is not the same as mixed race. That's like referring to black Americans as just African. You're erasing their history and culture. Trevor Noah is mixed but Tyla is coloured.
@@jabulilekhoza7617 Good thing this isn't South Africa.
This is a BASIC history lesson. If you are having a problem with the SA term "Coloured" you need to go read a book. PERIOD.
Tyla is Coloured not "colored", this is not only an actual racial group in South Africa, but it's an entire culture. There is no controversy here, just american ignorance at its peak. She's already explained it so many times, and clearly you can only do so much to try and "educate" people who are so committed to their ignorance. People are just looking for some negative narrative to have about her. Anyway, may our girl keep shining❤
Born In the Wild is gooooorgeous and has great replay value🔥
All of us are not ignorant like that just the ones that choose to not educate themselves
Great so you have a bunch of confused mixed people in South Africa upholding a racial status that placed them above the darker skin Africans OK that’s some Third World primitive stuff if you any black Americans, but that’s common of you people
@@ASprinkleofAnimeNo offence. It seems to be most but not all of you that choose to be ignorant about everywhere outside the United States.
They are trying to scrub away her identity
No it's actually many Africans that are ignorant. Most of you aren't taught anything about real American history so you need to actually check your ignorance. We learn about Apartheid in school and we are familiar with the fact that whites in South Africa created the colored term to classify colored people differently from themselves and Black South Africans.
As an african living in africa I've always known mixed race people to be "Coloured" and not black. it's not just in South Africa. many other African countries like Zambia refere to mixed race individuals as coloured ,thats how its been
Even in Zimbabwe, Botswana,Namibia etc.
As a Zambian, I can confirm
In Malawi as well
In many African countries, mixed is colored not black. Beyonce would be considered colored in Africa, not black. It's different environments.
Please stop generalising. Coloured is not a racial classification used anywhere in West Africa, that seems to be a Southern African term
Truth be told, the main reason Tyla is getting attention in America is because of colorism and the one drop rule. The one drop rule needs to go asap
Black people upholds colorism and the one drop rule though
That's not true!! What about Burna Boy with his black A$$, Wizkid, Tems etc they are all getting attention in America and Burna Boy is selling out seats at Madison Square Garden. Your statement is all CAP!!
Lmao show how insecure and jealous you really are! She's pretty, fit, feminine and exotic. Call it what you want but I'll call you jealous of her
@@11beebeeThey're still breathing through the wound
The one drop rule hasnt been a thing in 70 yrs. Where have you been???
Tyla didn't do anything wrong. She just wants to sing and dance everywhere. Tyla's tried to be sensitive and accommodating but some people constantly change the goalpost of what their issues are with Tyla. Its no way to win with these people. I bet they don't even know why they are mad anymore. Tyla doesn't deserve this.
No one is blaming Tyla. However her culture is about being better than black people and it appears that she only wants black peoples support for profit. That’s asking for too much. African Americans need to begin to be better gatekeepers of their culture.
Her fans are actually the problem. Most of this started because someone said they never thought Travis Scott would be with a black girl and her fans flipped out and started calling 30 million black Americans stupid instead of just saying hey she isn't considered black in South Africa. And as we said they are still marketing her in black spaces while trying to say she isn't black which is confusing because America has white or non-black spaces that she could be in but she knows her market is black people.
It’s not Tyla’s job to educate the masses about what “colored” is - if she doesn’t want to keep talking about it she doesn’t have to. When we depend on celebrities to educate us about things we don’t know, we end up just not knowing. I’m not a big fan of “Google University research” but in this case, it’s a simple and useful tool.
In the USA using a derogatory term will have her canceled as white artist have been canceled for using similar terms
different country different rules. She don’t like it go back to Africa and talk to Mufasa.
Facts
You’re stupid obviously
💯
Thank you!!!!
As a South African, coloured is a race this side. Just like black, white and Indian.
She said nothing wrong!
"Coloured" is not a race. There are Humans and other Hybrids created in a lab somewhere.
@@IAMABUNDANT888exactly it’s not a race ppl are so dum fr 😂
@@IAMABUNDANT888 Go say that in Westbury you dumb b*tch so they can kick you straight back into your mother's poes.
@@IAMABUNDANT888 JOU MA SE POES!!!
@@IAMABUNDANT888Your poes was made in a lab ja
Charlemagne needed a moment he does that every single time with artist like Tyla. Started off the interview messy and you could tell Tyla was not feeling that man and was uncomfortable.
Yeah but it’s a simple question.
Don’t blame Charla.. he did nothing wrong. When you go on shows they ask controversial questions! TYLA should have been fully prepared to answer it in a very professional way. Again THATS THEIR JOBBBBBBBB.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like to me Charlamagne Tha God was trying to lighten the mood by being the clown that he is. Tyla was rather self-protective and nervous (or tired). All the hosts seemed kind of nervous, like they were trying not to walk on eggshells and keep the normal energy of the show. They're usually more relaxed with the people that come on the show--even other sensitive people like Tyla.
I disagree because it’s his job to create controversy, and ask questions that make the interview more authentic.
@@sanskretrolightening the mood by claiming and telling the whole world that she pooped before the show, which was a lie by the way? Some of the bullying yall justify when it’s targeted towards people you don’t like is amazing.
I’m glad Tyla shut it down because we as South Africans have beeen explaining the term to Americans on social media… but they just wont listen (some of them). Im glad she kept quiet
It is sad and frustrating how ignorant some Americans can be. I don't blame her for keeping quiet.
@@carolynrjacksonnot everyone is gonna read what yall say do you know how many black people are in America yall sound dumb she did herself a disservice by not answering the question and she can thank South Africans when her numbers in America plummet 🤦🏽♀️
Tyla, Ayra, & Tems is doing their thing. From South Africa to Nigeria! All beauties!
It's ridiculous
Yes we love Arya & Tems🫶🏾 our black African queens ❤️
All 3 of them have one thing is common selling their soul to the world
Thank you! The rest of the world accepts them as African and we don't care about those Americans gate-keeping culture because they think the rest of the world should be centered around American issues. As long as they keep the orange fool out of the yt house I don't care.
@@RosalíaLR😂😂😂😂💯💯💯💯
I dont understand how yall say shes marketing herself black Americans shes just being herself and embracing her african roots thats why yall think shes trying to be black when in actuality shes african
Now say that for Every woman who ever "has black friends," "has sex with black men," or has 30% black genes OR LESS.... Let's invite them ALL TO THE COOKOUT 😮😂🤔👎🏽 yes ALL these Gretchens can market themselves and blackfish and do whatever they feel, free country
totally agree. she's international
Right!! "Capitalising off black aesthetics" is one insane line too
Stop lying. She uses our lingo and everything. She tries to be just like us but don't want to be called one of us. She can have several seats. At least come over here and be respectful. Don't come over here trying to profit off us. We're not a fashion choice.
This needs to be pinned! Exactly this
Leave that girl alone. If she's colored where she comes from that is not for anyone else to argue. Let her be.
Exactly. What WP thought in 1950 means NOTHING unless you let it mean something! Let it go already!
Period.
Exactly, do American expect her to abandon her roots cause they heard her songs 🙄
Exactly people are so fucking annoying about this
I don’t know why she’d need to talk about it anymore. She already over explained for the Americans who think their way is the ONLY way.
I actually appreciate and respect Tyla for calling herself colored cuz I'm tired of biracial people calling themselves "black"🙄😒
she's not biracial. In south africa, bi-racial does not mean coloured.
@@amina4647Trevor noah calls himself coloured
@@TheJulieeaathat’s a lie ..Trevor identifies as bi-racial..being coloured means BOTH your parents are coloured and BOTH their grandparents are coloured!!! I’m coloured myself, Trevor Noah is NOT COLOURED!
She doesn't 'call herself coloured,' she IS coloured - born and bred.
@@TheJulieeaano ma’am uyaxoka! that’s an proud Xhosa Man 😂
Not these ninja men and women pressuring Tyla to call herself black 😂😂😂 she’s mixed and that’s okay. Idk why black people want her to be black so bad. If y’all wanna claim her claim Charlize Theron, too. She’s South African too.
Charlize Theron is a yt south African tho. You sound slow asf
And then when she claims her blackness they are still not going to be happy. i see it coming
Ninja men and women? Have YOU looked in the mirror though? You're the biggest one of them all.
They can't claim Charlize bc she's white blonde woman who can call them the n word if she chose too (Charlize wouldn't) but they wan't to live through Tyla bc somehow they believe they look like Tyla (yeah funny hahahaha)
You idiot! She is black
How y’all gonna say she should’ve used this platform to explain like she hasnt already? This is why she’s hesitant to get into the topic of RACE because ppl will pick it apart. She’s explained it before NUMEROUS times and ppl wanna get messy. She avoids the question and topic to avoid tension or offend anyone and YALL STILL FIND SOMETHING WRONG with that smh
And then they wonder why Beyoncé stopped engaging in their interviews. They're pushing Kelly Rowland away as well by continuing to ask her about Beyoncé when she doesn't want to engage the topic. Then they wonder when she reacts the way she does. They just enjoy pushing people's buttons. It's time artists protect their peace and careers. Haters will hate regardless.
@@lotusphoenix8 She’s explained a few times what her race is and has stated MANY TIMES that IN SA, THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE CLASSIFIED AS. Like where she’s from (South Africa), they are just considered “COLORED”. In other videos and the TBC interview snippet, she also acknowledges tht the term “colored” here, where we’re from (US of A) is a derogatory term. She’s aware of that. How did ppl take that as she’s disclaiming her “black side”?
@@debbiesperspective Because they just want to discredit her potential, her achievement and her right to breathe in certain spaces. These people are turning into racist oppressors themselves
@@debbiesperspectiveI agree. Empressive really needs to get off that gatekeeping soapbox.
Because they're triggered and very much want her to be wrong somewhere somehow.
She’s already explained. Quite well actually. People who want her to keep answering must want her to give a different answer
They won't stop until she says "I'm Black like you" 🤦♀️
@@RedRose01289 They probably won't stop even then. They're looking for an issue so they're going to find one either way.
I know you’re smarter than this. Do you think everybody watched the video you watched of her explaining isn’t this the same young lady that sold 24k albums first week she’s blowing it for herself
They are dark brown coloureds in South Africa. So its not just about cololour but it has to do with language, cukture abd their ancestry.
I respect the South African stance of NOT identifying as Black when multiracial. Because let's be honest, just as the guy said, biracials and multiracial, don't all the time experience the same levels of treatment as someone who is 100% Black (racially African aesthetic). They may be privileged aesthetically and would receive better treatment than those who are more perceived as African based on features. They are showing respect but living within their own truth. I respect that
Which is precisely why actual black South Africans don’t want colored to identify as black. Because they have privileges that the rest of us just don’t.
In SA coloured is not the same as mixed race. That's like referring to black Americans as just African. You're erasing their history and culture. Trevor Noah is mixed but Tyla is coloured.
Black South Africans did offer coloured the option to be identified as black. They didn't accept that because they felt like it would erase their culture and history. In conclusion, black South Africans did impose the term coloured on coloured people. It was the white apartheid government that classified according to these groups.
NB: Interracial couples in SA produce mixed-race babies and not coloured babies. Only coloured couples produce coloured babies.
black people so obsessed with race no wonder y’all so divided🤣😭
Nooooo we (or rather me) don't even consider ourselves better 😢 ..... often i wish i had a specific culture or tribe that i can pinpoint and say we do this and that in our culture. Being multi generationally mixed you do have a sense of not belonging yet we are in this coloured miscellaneous drawer. And it's been that way ever since mixed people came about after 1600s in cape town our genes are all over the place and that was the culture and group that was created in and of itself 😢
@@jabulilekhoza7617 you hit the nail on the head. Even south Africans like lump biracial and coloured people together. I always tell them that it's not the same. This comment is the one people need to see.
I wish Tyla clapped back and told him there’s a world outside of the US and he should get a passport. I’m from the UK, black Caribbean heritage and I have friends that are black, white and colored from SA. It’s so interesting speaking to them as African pple with different experiences. Let’s learn about each other. Speak to people, ask questions the world is an amazing place with vibrant people and culture.
If there is a place greater than the US, she would be there. Right now, there isn't.
@@IAMABUNDANT888 The US is great if you want to be an international successful artist but if you don't care about that part there are greater places.
They would've accused her of racism and looking down on AAs as an African. They would've said "Africans hate us".
And that's what she wants. She should have done her research before the interview.
Amen.
As a black South African, I’m proud of Tyla for staying true to her identity and not claiming blackness.
In South Africa, the “one drop rule” didn’t take effect as it did in America. During Apartheid, if you were mixed with anything, you were considered coloured.
Black people were the lowest ranking “class” citizens and our forefathers’ experience were different to those of coloureds. Coloureds got certain privileges that black people didn’t, so did Indians. Though coloureds’ experiences were not as smooth during Apartheid as the white race, their proximity to other nationalities (usually white and Indian) meant they weren’t subjected to oppression in the same extent that black people were.
If Tyla had claimed that she was black in South Ah, it would’ve been a problem. It’s disappointing that she is getting backlash for actually being politically correct.
Nobody is asking her to claim Blackness we know she is mulit racial which is fine. But Black Americans also do not have to adhere to white supremacy race classifications like " colored.". I'm familiar with South African race policies and i get ya'll did not come out of segregation until the 1990's but damn
@@jayelee7112Tyla literally said she doesn’t expect anyone outside of South Africa to call her colored. You can call her mixed. What is the problem? You choose to be dumb.
@@jayelee7112amen Tems is a better artist anyway
coloured started long before apartheid and the khoisan are the lowest ranking population , to date.. learn the proper history and not the post apartheid history that continue to push the bull shit narrative of who has been the most fckd ova
Tems is a star ❤❤
Undeniably 🩶🙏🏾
Tyla has explained it already bro… what else do you want!! 😂😂 btw “coloured “people don’t consider themselves “black” in Africa…. But you are not ready for that conversation 😂😂😂 in short racial identification is a whole different ball game in Africa than it is in America. We should learn to accept/respect that and not forcing your standards/classifications onto others
exactly well said momma 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Tems' vibe is like if velvet was a person. 🥰Victoria Monét and her artistry is perfection. Now onto Tyla; this discussion is tired like having to explain why BLM was important. Its honestly weird how obsessed African Americans are with her race. The rest of the diaspora doesn't behave this way. Even Afro Latinas/Latinas/Polynesians have made the same comments about African Americans forcefully calling them black or having to explain their ethnicity. Can someone explain why this is? Tyla is Coloured and if that's such an issue she should just come back home cause we love her here regardless.🇿🇦❤
It’s because a lot of them think they own blackness shem. It’s quite an imperialistic mentality.
@@mamolefemolefe7412 this I can actually agree with. Khona into ebu dictator ngabo.
The Black Aesthethic that people claim she is stealing I really hope it's not Braids yall are referring to because box braids were literally created in South Africa. Her music beats, performance clothing style, lyrics are all African. She is African and is absolutely allowed to dress in a way that reflects her culture.
Everyone know all these looks. Not braids come from the black American aesthetic. Just stop😒
Box braids are blk American. All of modern music is based on american music. But she is representing South Africa’s version of what we created.
@@TashaXi go and Google, BRAIDS ORIGINATED IN AFRICA AND TYLA IS AFRICAN!!!!! Just do a quick Google search. Amapiano is a South African genre of music that has nothing to do with American music or sound. Even her dancing is a South African style of dance.
@@TashaXi LOL this is giving delusion and unwarranted self importance.
@@TashaXi Box braids literally comes from South Africa. The same behavior that we constantly call White people out for is what you're literally doing. You can't just steal a whole culture and act like you created it. This is colonizer mentality
I can't stop watching Victoria's video. It's so good! The looks, the dancing, the beat is amazing! It's a 10 for me!
Yes, the choreo was fire!!
Video of the year!
I wish ppl would leave Tyla alone🙄
People should mind their own business.
She's a colorist
Y’all are stupid y’all follow anyone
Why? She’s a celebrity. Us being in her business and not leaving her alone is part of her job! It comes with the territory.
They can't. They are beyond jealous of her
Why y’all forcing that girl to say she black 😂
They claim people who are 1/4 black its not surprising tbey want her to be black when shes clearly not😭
Because of their stupid one drop rule and their obsession with the same exclusivity that hold them back from progressing.
Exactlyyyyy 😂😂 I’m tired of it
It's stupidity and obsession with identity politics in America. Watch Sage Steele story. If one is multiracial they don't want you to acknowledge your white side which is pathetic
@@LaloHasery_02 it's the fans like you, that reminds us black we cant let culture vultures like tyla steel are shit.
I'm glad Tyla is reaffirming that she's colored. It's a fact! There's a whole race of colored people in South Africa with their own cultural identity & history.
Victoria Monet is IT! Definitely giving Janet/MJ vibes
Idk why people are so pressed about someone else’s race/ethnicity. Whether she is black or not, who cares? 🥴
I think its mostly they dont understand vs obsessed. .she should use this as a teachable moment
@@destinixshakur she used it the first time she mentioned her ethnicity, there have been multiple explanations and discourse for months. ignorance is bliss for some
@@jodie909Indeed, and it's exhausting for others. Tyla is not a teacher. There are university courses on topics like this for a reason
@@lotusphoenix8she had explained it before and they jumped on her neck. If they want to learn or understand, Google is free. They just want to bully that girl.
Gatekeepers
As South African, The discussion on Tyla was the most balanced I've heard from any American blogger. Thank you Impressive for putting it into context. Hopefully more people will understand.
she tried but it was still very american lol. i love empressive though ❤❤❤❤ been a loooooooooong time watcher and will be here as long as she is
I don't know mfethu because Empressive talked about Tyla's siblings' phenotype as if that excludes them from being coloured. Then she came for the esthetic and implied that Tyla is adopting a black people's esthetic while her esthetic is just how coloureds and blacks present themselves in South Africa . She needs to do more research before coming with such ignorant opinions next time
I'm a Black American & Empressive didn't do a good job explaining. She tried, but it is still not going to satisfy people.
@@zinhlem138I may need to listen to this again. I guess for me, the most important thing is for the American public to realise coloured is a racial class in South Africa. She's not denying anything. There's no hierarchy. Black South Africans are not offended. It just is, what it is.
Empressive my love. Tyla has already explained it in numerous interviews. How many more interviews and platforms is she supposed to address this? Come on … 😩 enough already… Americans and their obsession with race 😩. Let her talent speak for itself!
RIGHT.
Americans are not obsessed with race. Racial identity and categorization are at the centre of American social hierarchy. While Americans need to do more to learn about other cultures, Tyla’s mistake was not answering the question on air the way she did in the statement for social media. We need to be honest- Tyla’s team does not want to jeopardize her standing with Black Americans because losing their approval means that her music would lose credibility with most American audiences. Her PR team screwed this up.
Personally I think it’s about time African Americans begin to gate keep their music and culture. Everyone wants to come into African American spaces for profit but they are not part of the culture. Tyle is being very honest and proud of her culture as she should but the question is why didn’t she stay and market herself in her culture. Why is her music so very African American adjacent with a sprinkling of Afrobeats. She and her team know that she needs the African American market as a springboard for the rest of the world. How can you ask people to support a culture who historically looked down on them, coloured people’s culture says they are better than black people. That is their culture, please make it make sense.
@@fandommenace9575 Her music went farther than her demographic. The same as Hip-Hop. It's White people and people all over the world who buy it. She's NOT an R&B singer. Her music is Amapiano based. It's fusion though. But AfroBeats is fusion as well. She does not have to pander Black Americans
@@fandommenace9575 as a South African I completely agree. She wants to make money from Black Americans but she cannot explain her race to the very same people she is trying to appeal to ??😂😂
But Trevor Noah had a whole show explaining this😢
Bruh! People must educate themselves including Empressive since she thought that Tyla is thought to be adopting black people's aesthetic and that is such a patronizing and an ignorant American thing to say. She needs to search coloured's aesthetics in South Africa because she is speaking out of her heart not her research
@@hesokuteExpressive was literally saying that she was adopting “black aesthetics” at 6:36. Check your ears
@@beepbopboop7727 i do not understand why people get angry when it is the truth, her whole persona is tailored for the Black American market..
Colored is a civil rights term Coloured is a ethnicity its a different word !! Like won and one !! I'm from NY live in South Africa we gotta realize other countries have there own cultures and history it's not centered around America !! ❤
Nobody said SA should be centered around the US! Do you not know the history of the term coloured and that it derived from whites during Apartheid???? Similar to colored it was used by whites as a derogatory term. Smh. Please educate yourself.
@@JasNakira-bs5nxsure was and in SA at this present moment they choose what it means for their society. Just bc you seee it that way doesn’t mean a whole sovereign country will change it. They know their history and decide what the future holds for them. Black then is also a derogatory term considering where it came from and how it was used during and after colonialism and slavery. But we still use it and it is an identity that holds cultural significance for many people. Same difference. let it go
@@JasNakira-bs5nx I just read another comment that said it was black people in SA that coined the term and called them that. It became and official classification during Apartheid. Is that true?
But wasn’t the fact that he asked in the interview acknowledging the fact that everything isn’t centered around Americans?
You would think he said a statement like “it’s so dumb you are an ethnicity called couloured” no he wanted to educate the masses. Also I’m from the UK and we know nothing about coloured culture here. It’s not just Americans that need education
@@RosalíaLR Go read a book then, or Google. Stop looking to celebrities for knowledge on such topics
Victoria did the damn thing and reminded folks what a real music video should look like. I’m also happy she did a Kaytranada beat/ production justice and gave it the treatment it deserves..this is how u keep elevating..everything she incorporated Janet, MJ, ballroom, effects etc..amazing
Tbh honest the number South Africans in the comments saying Tyla is coloured has ALWAYS outnumbered the amount of black people/Americans in the comments claiming her to be black. To me the reality of the situation is not that many black ppl care to argue. Tyla could be showing us her favorite lipgloss and here y’all come, “TYLA IS A COLORURED WOMAN FROM SOUTH AFRICA. SHE IS NOT BLACK SHE IS A PROUD SOUTH AFRICAN. “ like okay it just keeps coming out of nowhere when it’s not even the purpose of a video she may be posting. Idk if it’s just the algorithm pushing the comments to the top but it’s fine that she’s South African. Not all of us Americans are trying to argue about it. Some of us, we get it but y’all don’t have to keep saying it out of the blue every five minutes. Like it be coming from left field. Tyla really be minding her business while y’all just arguing over her identity. And idk if Ms. Empressive agrees or not. But it’s okay for her to identify with both if that’s what she wants. It’s up to Tyla.
Y’all are really arguing with yourselves tbh. I for one love Tyla and love what she brings to the music industry wherever she is in the world at the time. I am proud of her. But it just seems as if people are taking their little interactions on the internet with other people in America and assume that none of us get it. The people who do get it aren’t busy arguing online in comment sections. They are actually living life. Even if it’s 10,000 black Americans that wane call her black, that still doesn’t make up the majority of us. That’s like a grain of sand on the beach and y’all are dragging it. Tbh if I was South African I would be so proud that I wouldn’t have time to be arguing with ppl that don’t get it. If they don’t get it then just leave it in the dust. the arguing is wasted energy. The people that wanna argue about it are gonna sound ignorant It’s that simple. But We are not all ignorant.
Nikhona🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦. I'm a black South African and tyla did nothing wrong. Here in South Africa we understand what she means. Go tyla🇿🇦🇿🇦❤️we love you sisi and Mzansi🇿🇦 is right behind you ❤️
She really did nothing wrong,sis wam❤
Sikhona! These people are tiring. Imagine how many cultures live in South Africa and we're doing great at it. America can't cope with just 3, black white and coloured. They wouldn't survive here mos 😮
Never mind South Africa. This is a non-issue to all Africans who have basic of knowledge about SA. Hell, most Europeans get this. How in God's name can you refuse to educate yourself about another country's history. And then paint yourself as the victim. They truly are tiring.
Well said!! Southa, stand up!❤
Sikhona ❤❤❤. 100%😊
I blame the Tyla “controversy” on global white surpremacy…but I don’t think most of us are ready for that conversation 👀
Absolutely not. Blame it on the African-American who think everyone who has a drop of black is black.
No, people are not ready for that conversation 😅.
Riiiggghhttt! You nailed it...
I would agree but we can either change it or sit and complain. We have to stop calling mixed people black. That's part of the problem
I’m ready for that conversation. White folks are trying to claim her as if she’s not from African decent 😂
As an African (I’m Congolese) I find all of this very annoying and frustrating (so I don’t even imagine how Tyla feels) The rest of the world understands the difference excerpt Americans and they want to force her to call herself a black woman when she’s not. Also, y’all have a problem with Tyla calling herself coloured but wasn’t the terms nigga a racial slur? But y’all use it daily. So there’s a certain level of hypocrisy here. And it feels like a lot of y’all are mad that she refuses to call herself a black woman because of y’all’s one drop rule
As a Black American, I have to say that THIS is the BEST response!!! You are EXACTLY right! I do not like using the N word as a term of endearment! Listening to my people use such a word, YET have an issue with someone who is NOT of our culture call herself by the exact term used in her country is just diabolical and delusional! Our frustration is truly displaced! 💯
As a Congolese I agree with you!
I'm African American/Ghanian, and I agree. I don't use the N word, I absolutely hate it. There's this whole notion of saying it because AAs see it as "reclaiming the word". How can we reclaim something that we never originally gave to ourselves? We were not calling ourselves that before THEY chose to!
Nope we know she is not like us and we don't care . But you not finna to bite off our culture for our dollars while using a term that was created by a White racist Apartheid regime to put you above Black SA. As long as she is pandering to the Black American community we got question and if she doesn't like it she can go home and cater to the coloured community .
As a Senegalsee I feel the same way
At least Tyla is honest about her cultural identity. I respect that more than some of the phenotypically ambiguous mixed race people who don't acknowledge that their walk in life can be drastically different from others who move in the same spaces. If she calls herself colored then that's her business.
Yall don’t remember that Disney movie with a black family that took in that white South African girl and they thought she would be black and she came there and she was white ? They was mad? And then she called them colored because in her country that’s what they referred to Black mixed looking people. y’all don’t remember that movie from Disney.
The black girl in that movie is actually mixed so colored was the proper term
The movie is the color friendship
I remember that movie
wow, thanks for the trip down memory lane
Also, take into consideration admixtures in the US. Most black people here are not fully black anyway and have anywhere between 70% to 90% african DNA.
I’m so glad “Alright” is getting the praise it deserves it’s one of my favs from Victoria’s album
Coloured people are an actual race, and culture in South Africa. We don't mean just biracial people... If you are in South Africa, you never confuse a black man with a coloured man, even though sometimes our skin tones overlap...
Tyla doesn't consider herself blk. She's just a colored mixed girl from South Africa. Blk people need to stop hating on her.
Expressive coming thru with the back to back videos 🫶🏽🫶🏽🐐🐐💕
I luv when she does this lol
Empressive actually was the first person I heard talk about Victoria Monet . After her review of the song 'on my mama' I had to go and watch the video for myself. Instant classic! And I'm so happy she won a Grammy too, well deserved. The video for 'Alright' is great too, which I'm glad because ' on my mama' was such a cultural phenomenon, I'm sure it was challenging for she and her team to try to come up with a video just as visually stunning, but she killed it. Especially the Choreography. In fact I honestly think some of the special effects detract from the choreography, but that's just me being picky ...it's still a great video 💯🙌🏾😌
People clocking Tyla are weird. She doesn’t need to apologize for anything
Exactly. Especially when she been addressed it.
Nah fuck her she’s not black bye
If she wants to make money in USA, she better apologize because quite frankly her little one hit wonder popularity is already gone
She does she herself said she knows it’s a derogatory word in the USA. The exact market she wants to be successful in. Her being from another country shouldn’t excuse her using the word. Even white ppl feel uncomfortable saying colored so all she will end up doing is making everything awkward. If you went to another country you would have to change to fit into their culture. Tyla needs to do the same. She wants the American dollar, then okay accept the American way.
@@AppleBloom21it’s not derogatory in South Africa
Tyla doesn’t need to explain anything. She has already explained it once and Google is FREE… it’s not her fault that most of us Americans are ethnocentric and view the rest of the world through our own lens.
I'm not sure if I'm the only one who viewed it this way but Empressive, sometimes when you react to mixed individuals addressing their blackness, I feel like it is done with a bias or interestingly negative undertone.
Thank you for covering the topic, but you're delivery of it is interesting to me . Important topic nonetheless and I think Tyla continues to handle it greatly
Tems is a poet ♡
Empressive ,tyla is not capitalizing off anything that's her culture, she grew up and apart of it.
She does capitalize off of blackness in America. I’ll give concrete examples to save you time:
- Essense magazine (created for black Americans: Her team got her an entire spread a few months back
- She opened for the most popular BLACK AMERICAN artist (therefore gaining his fanbase) Chris Brown
- She specifically collaborates with many black American artist and black west African artist. (Gunna, Travis Scott etc)
- she got an opening spot on the BET awards (an awards show in America for black entertainment television).
- also let’s not forget that being coloured is a beautiful and vibrant culture in South Africa. There’s many popular artist in South Africa and you can’t listen to the music without learning and knowing their ethnicity (Ex: Samthing Soweto, Makhadzi, Simmy) they all are showcasing their ethnic group in South Africa and their native language and you can even see it in their visuals. In comparison Tyla is branded as a generalized black African in South Africa. Bacardi dances, hairstyles, and even amapiano music,..all of these created by black South Africans. Coloured culture is different than black South African ethnic groups. She should be proud of it instead of cosplaying any and all things South African just to cross over and appear as a black African.
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@@RosalíaLR what does opening for Chris Brown have to do with anything?? Are his fans only Black Americans
@@RosalíaLR thats alot of nonsense you just wrote. she can't capitalize off something she's already in.
@@josepho.8317 just some PR 101 any artist a newbie opens for is strategy to gain the headliners target fanbase. Chris Brown is a direct gateway to gaining American target audience & capital. And to answer your question Obviously yes black Americans have been is core fan base since he entered the industry back in 2004 and he’s literally a black American discovered and made by us.
They don’t get it… don’t argue with fools
Why is TYLA being being promoted on " BET " which means " BLACK ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION" if she VEHEMENTLY proclaims that she " IS NOT BLACK" ???
Tyla you will rise and come back a winner we South Africans are a resilient nation .
Yeah! That’s why the whites have taken over your lands and left yall poor and desperate. Give me a break 😂😂😂😂
Race and ethnicity is always going to be a controversial topic
Victoria is one of my new faves. I'm glad she's finally getting her flowers. Love Tems too. ❤
I understand Tyla and the gentlemen’s explanation. A woman of color who is IMO an immigrant told me to not call myself “Black” and how it was so wrong. I’m Black American my entire family is born in America. You’re not gonna immigrate here then tell me what to say! I was so happy to block her 😂
Even Tyla is a unique coloured in SA. You don’t see coloureds in South Africa who dance or sing to black music (Amapiano) who wear braids or weaves, she’s a rare case even in SA, I know she’s not cosplayinh cause she’s been doing it since a high school.
Sibahle, Mzansi coloured usually live in a euro flavored bubble that is why even i am surprised she fully embraced the domestic african dances.
@@PHlophe That's interesting to learn
Another thing that separates her is that she can trace her ancestry. Not all coloured people can trace their exact ancestry.
@@lovelight1149 you needn't worry about her and other colourds. they usually have 3 to 4 generations of families in the same areas so they can effectively locate all their ancestors. these are not individuals you are talking about , its people that have nices, uncles grand parents great grand parents like everyone else. as someone that is not colourd but with a whole caucasian side of the family that i have zero contact with . they wrote me off . now i no longer care because i am a dad of 3 so i have my own tribe and i am good. This is how some of us start our own tribes and we expand from there.
So is there a music style that is particular to coloured SA's or do most just listen to amapiano?
As for the topic with Tyla. I know it can be VERY exhausting and annoying to constantly repeat yourself . But everytime she comes on to a different platform , that is a NEW audience she is presenting herself to. She should see that as an opportunity to take control of the narrative and to EDUCATE . She’s new here still . Curating a standard and answer and being prepared for further questions around the matter is her PR JOB ! And tho it was a very “boss” move . To look back and her have her team speak . It was too early in her career . We are still get to know her and her culture .
Who else has to explain themselves at this level of detail before being accepted for their career? Race has been studied in schools and universities, those are the appropriate resources to consult. She is an artist, not a scholar
What does her race have to do with her music, especially when the genre is African? She is an African.
Great take
Charlemagne’s question was valid. She is just over it. It’s okay for him to ask the question, and it’s also okay for her to choose not to answer.
Yes! She has explained herself so much already, all he has to do is Google it. I also hate getting asked the same question over and over and over again.
You're right. I will just add that It's not okay for him to ask it if they had already indicated that they didn't want it as part of the discussion.
It’s not valid. He’s a piece of shit with no journalistic integrity. He was trying to bait her, he knew what he was doing. That wasn’t the only inappropriate question he asked her.
Its not ok for him to ask if he was asked to not ask, its actually crossing a boundary on purpose… disrespectful!
@@erikadlloyd5586 i absolutely can’t stand it. The only difference between myself and Tyla is I wouldn’t have looked to a publicist or anyone else to handle it for me. I would have straight up said, “I’m tired of explaining myself. Next question.” She doesn’t owe anyone anything and vice versa.
Doesn't matter where she's from. I see Tyla as an artist who wants to be as successful as everyone in the music industry. Tyla definitely will be a star and she should be. I don't see her as a South African artist but an artist who stands out from the rest. Just wish her all the best.
I think the primary issue when it comes to Tyla revolves more so less about how others and how she personally identifies within the US/SA context, but more so how she identifies in relation to the entire Black diaspora to who as a collective demographic of consumers Tyla is marketed towards. Let's face it, because Tyla - even as a multiracial woman - is African and hails from one of THE most musically influential countries when it comes to current popular music, her brand is by default going to lean into towards catering to a Black audience by profiting into Black aesthetics and proximity. Her being multiracial though not the most essential thing to her talent, is something that plays well into her favor as it pertains to her desirability. There is no negating that because of this very fact that because she is mixed - and regardless of how we may personally perceive and identify her as - is an integral component to her marketability within the Black sector of the music industry. I think the reason why people are misconstruing her words and her personal identity is because we want to be able to understand who she is and whether or not as a collective demographic we can digest her music and Tyla herself as a brand, who as a artist and thus product being promoted to us, is so seeped heavily in blackness.
In theory, how do we receive and relate to the product that is being sold to us that does not fully reflect us?
Yes!!!
Experientially, you have to understand that her being coloured is a completely different experience from being black within the South African context.
Now remember the experience or definition of being black is not a monolith in Africa, it is broken down into cultures.
So in Africa, we don't just experience ourselves as being black, but from a certain cultural perspective. There are unique behaviors associated with each category of blackness or culture. Yet, there are some experiences that are universal.
For Tyla, being Coloured has its own cultural context and experience that is very different from other black cultures.
But in that context you would never understand because you're not an African. If you love the music and it moves your soul, why does it matter the race of the person? Nothing about her is political. It's just popular music for the masses. As a South African I grew up on a lot of American artists and their genres. From R&B, hip hop, Rock, Pop and even Country. I never stopped to ask myself if I should like the music because I identify with the person singing it.
@@YAHUAH_merem_ebele I agree 100% that being black is not monolithic, especially in different cultural settings and contexts. However, as a artist and thus a product who is being promoted on a global scale towards the black diaspora, Tyla's uses her image as a Coloured/multiracial woman to her advantage by still inadvertently and INTENTIONALLY catering towards black listeners, no matter if they are American, British, African, Carribean, etc. And yes, we know that Coloured people have their own history & culture, but what I am trying to emphazise is that Tyla uses her ambiguous promximity to blackness to her benefit as her brand to the COLLECTIVE Black diaspora. She is mixed, not black, so therefore her target audience is not going to be fully reflected in her personal identity, and vice versa. That is where the disconnect lies.
@@mynamemeansfaith9809but that’s not really her it’s her team she’s an artist to make music for the masses. And because she’s pushed in the states with black Americans cause it’s culturally similar to what she probably knows as a coloured in her country. Outside of the US the issue of race is just perceived differently, it’s almost like we want her to conform for us here for us to be able to connect with her and I just don’t feel that is or should be the case. She can continue to push her culture and allow us to embrace the coloured experience which due to her being from Africa will have some similarities to black Americans which will automatically make her music and by proxy her more marketable in black spaces
First of all thank you @empressive for continuing to educate us and the rest of the world about different cultures. We as South Africans know how sensitive the term coloured is to our American brothers and sisters but please understand that a mixed person in SA e.g Tyla, Trevor Noah etc are referred to as Coloured. Which is a whole race in South Africa. It’s not by any means a deregatory term by any means. We love, accept and respect our coloured brother and sisters. If you were to see an official form in/from SA it usually says ethnicity/race: African, Indian, white, coloured or other? It’s a norm for us. I feel bad that Tyla(my Zulu cousin) is getting so much backlash for expressing her identity and that’s really who she is btw! And that people cannot accept that and view her as someone who is trying to benefit from black culture and not claim it. But in reality that is the beauty of SA, mixed people have an identity and they are allowed to express themselves in any race they feel cause they are mixed, we don’t judge them but we embrace them. And it’s such a unique thing that we decided that they deserved to be recognized and acknowledged as a unique race. That is why SA is called the rainbow nation 🇿🇦❤. ASAMBE!!!
Thus is such a delightful comment! ❤
So glad to see Darren Camper here! Love his content 🇿🇦 !
Let's just call her mixed and call it a day because if she calls herself coloured in the states she gets backlash from black Americans, but if she acquiesces and calls herself black then she'll get backlash from the South Africans. She's mixed so let's call her as she is.
Tems album been on repeat ❤❤❤
Tyla is getting a taste how people just do not care they do anything to get their way out of the situation
She doesn't really have to explain anything......Her choice. #TeamTyla
She can return to South Africa.
She doesn’t have to explain ❤.
Actually she had to explain. Alittle like Com’on
Excellent discussiom Empressive! Thanks for always giving us balanced commentary.
You originally put me on to Victoria Monet and I’m so grateful you did 🎉🎉🎉
Love how you put this video together ❤!!! It was explained very well- Empressive 💯
When "South Africa for Dummies" is desperately needed. An amazing country with an extraordinary history. I guess it's too complicated for some Americans.
South Africa is the dummy letting her represent them. SA representation should be Negros. Do you not understand how you are being undermined by here image wise in the American market?
Tyla is proud coloured like me and millions of other South Africans
I really love how Ms Lovely Ti broke this down and I also would like to say that Tyla won an Grammy for best AFRICAN ACT
Most of her songs are amapiano and pop based
Right now Amapiano and Afrobeats are becoming famous worldwide
Tyla doesn't need to educate every single time. Y'all open your Google fgs.
The Black people in South Africa don’t see her as black, but coloured. She and her parents are mixed/ multi-ethnic. I’m a Canadian-Jamaican & when I look at them to me they look West Indian/ Cooley. Depending on where you are from people categorize everyone differently. At the end of the day we are all human & for the past 21 years she has identified & has been called a coloured person.
See, in SA, it would be a problem to call a person Cooley. But we don't make a noise to people for whom it's a recognised identity.
@@lotusphoenix8what does coolie mean in SA? Just interested to hear different perspectives.
@@Kells7928 I don't know the meaning hey, we were just told not to use it when I was a child. It was considered derogatory without explanation. I never looked into the history and meaning behind it.
And its so funny how Americans expect her to change her whole identity.
Cooley is Kula amongst some South Africa. I'm curious to know more but the term is a bit derogatory. Because sometimes we'd include East Africans as a part of South Asians if I'm not mistaken.
Tyla did the right thing by not answering the question in that interview. She has answered this question many times. We as South Africans have also been drawn into this debate many many times, trying to educate people on why coloured is different to black in South Africa. At this point, people keep bringing it up because they want to "educate" us about our own country and racial identity (it would be funny if it wasn't annoying), not because they're genuinely interested in learning.
NB! Just simply being mixed race doesn't make you coloured in SA (Trevor Noah is NOT coloured). Coloured people have a long and unique history as a group.
I will say that being African is an experience as an African( West African) myself born and raised, I feel like Tyla is tired of this topic but It would have helped for her to have spoken about it at the breakfast club because this topic isn't going to go away and will follow her for her career unfortunately. Secondly, I would say it is important to be educated about other people's cultures other than your own.Lastly this is not a time to have Afrophobia or be xenophobic
The breakfast club is not a place to have nuanced conversations. They are looking for sound bites and you don’t know what follow up comments where they gonna have. The audience ain’t different either. At least she put out a statement that anyone can read.
I don't think it will follow her her whole career. At least, not necessarily. If she continues to success, people will stop asking and stop caring eventually. People are curious because the don't know about it and she's new. So she really should explain it as much as she's asked while she's new. Once your publicist intervenes like hers did, it becomes a thing. She should have answered it, like she did all the other times. In a matter of fact way, like it's no big deal. All artists have to do this when they're new, but the question they get repeatedly asked are different.
@@sportsnumber1567 Exactly, they're chasing clout
Oh, they'll always be xenophobic. But they'll cry & march when caucasians give them that same energy.
@@lotusphoenix8No they are not. They simply want to understand. A simple educated answer would suffice.
Tyla does need to explain cuz she said herself she knows in America it’s a derogatory word. It’s not just black ppl that would feel uncomfortable it’s white ppl too-no pop radio DJ wants a sound bite of him/her going around calling a black person “colored”
Tyla and her team has had this question before-too many times to not have a prepared answer.
Personally, I don’t think Tyla and her team wanted her to be seen as black but as racially ambiguous but they realized the America white audience saw her as black and had to switch audience targets now black ppl are clocking it and they are doing damage control.
If Tyla wants the Black American support then she does need to adjust her lingo and just say biracial/multiracial.
It’s crazy many SA want Black Americans to change our perception of the word for Tyla when she is entering America. Nope, Tyla needs to Show respect to culture, history, to Black Americans because she is entering in our space.
You just made a lot of bs up. Tula has never disrespected anyone or asked anyone to call her a coloured. This is the third time she is telling everyone that she is black in America and coloured in SA. The video where she spoke about this is literally from last year but yall still continue to bring the same topic up and act like she hasn’t addressed it. Just say you don’t like her and keep it moving
@@sportsnumber1567 are you okay? Did you fail the third grade? She did disrespected black Americans when she keeps saying colored. If you’re not Black American then you don’t get to decide who she disrespected that’s not your place. Nothing I said is made up. She does want the American dollar/support so she does need to supper and respect Americans especially Balc Americans. You and anybody else that won’t admit this just proving the point SA think they are so much better than Black Americans and we don’t deserve our respect. Bye with all that.
When Americans travel to our African countries, we respect them and their identity. We don’t ask them to conform to our ways. Why should Tyla erase her racial identity to make you comfortable?
You guys need to get over yourselves. Talking about derogatory word but you guys use the word “nigga” 😒 can we stop the fake outrage and hypocrisy
Thank you!
She is coloured in South Africa she is mixed, that girl did and Said nothing wrong
So in other words she is “mutiracial” in american term and folks can’t grasp the concept of “coloured” in her native homeland? 🤨 chai.
All i can say to all South Africans today we celebrate June 16 because the brave youth of 1976 took to the streets to fight the same thing we debating about race and segregation they lost their life so we can have liberty to have an opinion and be heard and be given equal education they fought not to be taught in language of the oppressor.
Let's all educate and be educated the struggle is always the same , love , peace and togetherness.
Happy Youth day South Africa and all the people who fought for us so we can enjoy liberty❤
This topic about Tyla’s race the longer it is dragged the more it makes our fellow brothers and sisters in the Black American community looks bad. Coz Tyla has never said anything offensive but day in and day out BAs are complaining about her. It’s looking very bizarre and a bit like bullying and xenophobia
It truly has been sad to watch as a coloured person. Our African ancestry is always called into question so sick of it. Thanks for yoir comment though 😊
Very true
We’ll maybe she should stay and South Africa 🇿🇦 she’s trying to make us black Americans like her she’s in our spaces she has to explain or we won’t support
@@jamalsiler smell of racism.
@@jamalsilersome of us already like her and don’t care about how she identifies, like what is wrong with yall
At some point Black America needs to let go of the one drop rule that only causes Black people harm any way. Let people be what they actually ARE. (Mixed)🙄
Also the US term coloured is NOT the same as the South African definition. They are two different expressions.
Thank you❤❤
I’m tired of it
I shake my head when I see situations like Tyla's and this 'backlash'. When there is infighting, colorism, caste systems, and the inability to recognize the different and shared black experiences; it sadly plays into white supremacy and internalized white supremacy. This should not be a controversy because blackness and being black exists across the world, cultures, phenotypes, etc & when can we all can educate ourselves on this without otherizing or stigmatizing each other because our experiences or words are/were different. Yes, that means more than just saying black Americans or African Americans don't get it, it is more complex than that.
That's why there are scholars who handle a topic of this magnitude with the care and respect it deserves, but people just want to place it on the shoulders of a 22 year old. It's ridiculous
She doesn’t owe Americans sh*t. As an American myself- we need to educate ourselves on terminology that we don’t understand. We clearly all have phones, computers, iPads, etc to do the research- if we didn’t, we wouldn’t even know who she is. It’s not that hard to do a quick google search.
Then keep her a** out of our spaces…and stop rocking our sounds.
The obsession with race is exhausting at this point.
facts.
I don’t understand why ppl don’t get the subject of being mixed race. It doesn’t disqualify anyone if they identify as mixed race. Tyla should be celebrating her success , not talking about her race, which is not that big of a deal.
TylA is that Girl & Forever will be ..she is stunning & talented
My people need to make up their minds. We have taught the world to say "Black, Brown, and People of COLOR" We said (COLOR) to include people who are non-black and non-white but have somewhat melanin. We always think of others but never ourselves and every time get bitten in the ass by other groups. We get mad at the wrong shit! But anyway, I love my people. But we need to get it together.
5:55 what platform? The way he even asked the question was ridiculous.
She has done several and several interviews, radio, tv and magazines explaining this thing.
SHE IS TIRED!
Please!