As much as I want the WNBA to thrive, the female players need to keep in mind that basketball is a business. It’s very difficult for the WNBA to get close to being equal to the NBA when the women’s league isn’t generating the amount of revenue that is necessary simply to break even
Agreed. They should both make a close to equal % of the league's earnings. I'm all for making it % equal, from earnings to court size, rim height, and ball size. Why they cool with the ball size being different, but not the other things?
This. i don't get why it's so hard for them to comprehend that. Their egos are too inflated when it comes to different options like lowering the rim. It'd definitely be more entertaining to watch them if dunks become more common in the WNBA
As Bill Buhr said: "It's not my job to care about WNBA. I have men's sport to pay attention to. Not men, women failed the WNBA. None of you showed up."
and when asked to lower rim is seen as disrespectful you can't say you want to be on equal grounds and do it only half the way and expect to get paid the same
This is the type of critical thinking skills that people need these days. The answer to these types of questions are not very difficult to comprehend when you apply more brain power than usual. Smaller basketballs, shorter lengths of games and quarters and shorter 3 point line…..but lowering the rim is so beneath them 🙄. If that’s the case and their pride is so important let’s just let the WNBA continue to lose money and eventually fold. Because they clearly do not want to help the league succeed, they just want their pockets fatter smh
It's easier to complain over and over again for years tho...they'll probably grow a few inches to be capable of dunking like their male counterparts before that. 😫 LOWER the rim...an average female is shorter than an average male...WHY do y'all hate science so much?!
I love how none of these women admit to these facts: Our league draws less viewership on TV and in person. Our league is operating at a loss. Super convenient to lobby for more while simultaneously ignoring the underlining problem that contributes to the wages you are paid. #YouCantMakeThisShitUp
Exactly. It's so simple, but they're too dumb to realize. If they want views, then make better content, or at least try to. By lowering the God Damn ring for starters. Jeez.🤦♂️🙄
@@thejoke2791 It's not that they're dumb. It's that the Woke Marxists have brainwashed people to believe that everyone should get the same outcome, regardless of the facts.
@Jordanelev3n They want half of the world, that men built, but in saying that, "soft" men opened the door for them to be this way. So yeah, yet again, the blame is on men.🤣
Same, but I will tune in for players like Clarke, Reese, etc. Plus in the next few years you'll have someone like Hailey Van Lith who's pretty damn popular that will join the league too. The future is bright for the WNBA, but these old cranky women need to accept that their time is done
@@Kambo1031it takes investment to get viewership, and guess what investing in getting more viewers gets you nothing from the NBA that's peaked in that area,
Funny thing is that they have a lot of animosity towards someone like Caitlin Clarke. She's basically the messiah for them and they're rejecting her because she gets more attention...
Right! How long did it take them to get used to a smaller ball and shorter 3 line??? They whine about shortening the rim cuz 90% still won’t be able to dunk.
I played ball all my life. On 10ft rims, 9 1/2, 8. It takes like 3 shots to readjust. And I don’t miss more, I probably make more the lower it is. Excuses are easy, but reality is hard to see for these self entitled women of the WNBA.
I love how people act like lowering the rim so they can dunk will really add all that much excitement to the games. All everyone will say is "of she can do that it's a 9 foot rim..". Lowering the rim to 9 feet will allow more dunks, but the dunks won't be seen as impressive because they are doing it with the same athleticism that they currently have.
@@cobra7282 it's about excitement and getting the crowd involved in the game so they can feel entertained. Lowering the rim would work and here's why. The AVERAGE height in the wnba is 6ft. So watching women who aren't as athletic as the men, and can't jump as high, dunk on a reasonable rim level would be both entertaining and bring more money and viewers to the league. And the people who love the game wouldn't talk trash because we understand that the women are very skilled but they just aren't as athletic as the guys. But we would still watch the wnba for our favorite player and for the love of the game. In my opinion.
@@aceofdimndz0419 I understand all of this. I simply don't agree that people will find the dunking all that entertaining. What makes a dunk so impressive in the men's game is the athleticism that is allowing them to do it. The women will still be the same athletically, but with artificially lower rim so they can dunk. I am sure some people will find it entertaining, but I don't think the masses will. Just look at CC, I doubt she can even come close to dunking and yet the entire nation is enamored with her. If she brings eyes in than people will see the preexisting talent in the league and probably be just fine with the product as it is.
I think bill burr said it best when he implied that there is a reason the Kardashians are multi-billionaires and pro female athletes are broke and the reason is that women don’t support female sports
I went to Bellagio Hotel in Vegas, They were giving out free tickets to Las Vegas Aces. I left my 2 tickets in my cupholder in my car and i checked in to the hotel. Next morning i went down to my car and i noticed someone broke my passenger side windows to get into my car! I was checking if i was missing anything... and I realized now i had 4 tickets to wnba game...
It’s actually so funny, whenever someone suggests a possible solution that helps grow their game they are completely closed off to it, you gotta try something new to see progress right??
They're playing the same game as the men? Last I checked the women's ball is smaller than the men's. Last I checked the women's three-point line is closer than the men's. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about these facts?
@@WoollyViking What? Are you ok? This was about women and their basketball skills. It doesn't make sense for you to throw in, pay them. I guess this is why reading comprehension scores on SAT's have been falling.
I don’t care who gets mad at this because it’s the truth, these players need to shut up and focus on improving the product first before worrying about the money they getting paid. If your product is crap your viewership will be crap, if you’re more focused on messaging (WNBA is pushing LGBTQ and BLM messaging, which from stories I’ve read about the culture in the WNBA it’s just toxic you get hated if you straight and it’s even worse if you’re a straight white woman). The comment about revenue sharing is bs because the last I looked the women get more from revenue shares than the men do and the revenue share is actually more than what the base contracts are. The league only plays three months and only has 12-15 teams in it, of course you aren’t making money because the season is so short that when it finally starts getting “interesting” it’s over. They always complain oh we aren’t making enough money we’ll get a business degree and figure out how you can actually help the league grow. The league also needs a better marketing team to get viewers on the product, like I want to see the WNBA grow and prosper and hopefully these next few generations of players can do that but the talent isn’t where it needs to be, the marketing isn’t where it needs to be and finally the mentality isn’t where it needs to be.
Women are physiologically 6” shorter than men. I understand their argument that they’ve played on 10’ hoops their whole lives, but a 9’6” hoop height goes well with their average height of players & size 6 basketball.
@cobra7282 Nah, I feel there'd be more action. More highlights. Better layups, put backs, blocks, and of course, dunks. They should at least try it for a season than ruling it out. See how the athletes adapt and perform.
The sheer hurt ego and ignorance of the old/current wnba guard is laughable and the main reason why I don^t care at all for them. 0. Now Caitlin Clark seems to capable, grounded to reality and driven by sports not ego. I wanna see more of her. But the rest, needs to take several steps back.
Hardly anyone is getting paid in MURICA. There are several 3'rd world countries with similar minimum salary, less homelessness and better social equality.
@@DonnyThaDealer ahhh yeah, they started with ownership that viewed Men’s Basketball as potentially profitable. Then they took their OWN money and gambled that it would happen. Not looking for charity from another league to pay their bills. Pro Basketball started in 1937 bur NBA started in 1949. Average player was making 4-5000 ..the median income in America was $3100 for white males and $1700 for non-whites. So .. about 66% more than average white male. Median Income in USA is just under $60,000 in 2023. All things being equal, basketball player should be at $100,000. So the men are doing quite well. The women .. are making almost EXACTLY what men made when league started. Now, instead of crying about the facts .. get you butt out there and sell tickets. If people will but tickets to watch the product, Womens basketball, all your income issues are solved.
Stop taking a big chunk of money each year from the MENS NBA and then you can yap all you want, but when you need a 15 million dollar "donation" each year it means you aren't that popular
LSU vs Iowa wasn't the national championship. it was South Carolina and they completely disrespected all those women by taking a historic season with no losses and brushing it to the side to glaze Caitlyn Clark
@@the_mobile_ninja5742I rly love Joel but td proved to me that he’s not always all there…they said he had ZERO points in the 4th quarter and seeing that almost brought tears to my eyes lol. I’m a sixers fan and I love my team but the truth is the truth and we had no business competing with these top teams…but I still got hope in those boys and I hope we beat those knicks!
Wat people have to understand is patience!!!! The wnba players is pocket watching everybody else right now... But at yr 20 of the NBA which was Polly in the 50 or 60s, those players wasn't making as much as the wnba players are making right now
Exactly what I pointed out to someone else earlier. They were barely making when the league was at that age. The NBA almost got shut down completely because of the lack of revenue and profit throughout that time period. Sounds familiar. If it wasn’t for the NBA’s funding today, the WNBA would be in real jeopardy
Truth of the matter is, even if you lowered the rim to 9 feet, the majority of the league STILL couldn’t dunk. And the ones who couldn’t would be extremely salty about getting dunked on.
Maaan!!! This really triggers me... NBA is carrying the WNBA finances, for years, because they believe in the growth and development of the business and that someday WNBA could be a sustainable league. Women are being proportionally being paid more than the man in therms of revenue. Man basketball players seem to be the only ones trying to find possible solutions to increase viewership and the WNBA athletes get offended by it. Like, they could just say no, thank you for trying to help but I don't think that's the solution, instead they get triggered like it's some kind of criticism, when they already have a smaller and lighter ball, a 3 point line closer to the hoop and 2 less minutes in each quarter. These got me wishing that the NBA stop babysitting the WNBA and invest that money in the All-Stars Weekend to rescue something that isn't ungrateful...
I've been to a wnba game once . Never went again .just wasn't for me . What doesn't make sense is woman don't even watch wnba .so there own gender doesn't even support them
It’s bc the wnba is not good. Some of those women have talent but it’s not entertaining. Let them juice if you wanna make it more interesting. You are being politically correct if you say it’s nba level quality. Now the women’s NCAA was interesting I’ll be fair
It's like people don't think there were extremely athletic players back when the NBA was in it's infancy. Men have had similar levels of athleticism as now for a long time.
And she had her current daughter with a 6'9 NBA player that was drafted #5 overall at one point in his life. She needs a donor now if she wants to have another daughter, she's married to a woman
To lower the rim is the most man like response ever 🤦🏾♂️ we don’t put thought into what we say and when the rim is lower for them to dunk, we’ll be complaining about not seeing explosive dunks 😂
No, this is the most man response ever. The WNBA is unwatchable, I don't care if they lowered the rims, found attractive women to play in it, and gave money away to go watch their games. I still wouldn't watch it. The "rim lower" suggestion was just men trying to be nice
It's boring and this is coming from a woman who played. Like watch the WNBA or watch endgame... I will take Iron Man saving the world... it never gets old 😂
It’s crazy they aren’t okay with lowering the rim smh when LITERALLY they already have a smaller basketball and a smaller three point line🙄🙄 but yet they act like they are equal and that it’s completely the same game with the nba and wnba smh
they can be mad all they want.. I would rather watch grass grow than to watch the WNBA.. but I will be watching CC's games this year.. if they lower the rim to 9 1/2.. I'll watch women dunking on each other
They complain about not making enough but when one presents a solution they bitch and moan " I've been playing on 10ft rim my whole life " yeah who cares every woman will be at the same disadvantage if they lower the rim cause none of them practiced on it, which will definitely make it more entertaining to see who can adapt the fastest
The rim needs to be lowered it doesn’t take that long to adjust to a lower rim every play court has a different height rim it never messed with me that why you shot around and get used to it I played on 9 ft and 12 ft sooooo
WNBA needs a superstar that can change the viewership like what Magic and Brid did then followed by MJ then LeBron and Steph where we can see role players from the WNBA can average 1 mil for vet minimims
Thank you, I’m a female that cheers for women in sports, I’m old but these opportunities were not even available to women in sports in the 70’s and early 80’s it’s progress.
@sourmilk911 Sorry dude, but you do not understand finance. It is 100% a fact that the WNBA generates revenue. You are confusing earnings with revenue. Revenue is the money you take in. Then you have your expenses. Earnings = Revenue - expenses. The WNBA does not have any earnings.
The problem with the WNBA has always been that no one has been willing to tell them the truth. And the truth is their product is unwatchable, and their players are unlikable. Unwatchable: at just over 82 ppg, they score a whopping 32 ppg less than their male counterparts. That's trash as well as very boring. Unlikable: besides the constant complaining and lecturing male sports fans about how we have hidden hate for women because we don't want to watch a WNBA game, they also make stupid divisive political statements like Kneeling for the National Anthem and wearing "VOTE WARNOCK" T-shirts. IMO, an organization that has to be subsidized in order to remain solvent should not be making divisive political statements. The WNBA is going to get it's chance now with Caitlin Clark and others coming into the league. Let's see if they actually learn any lessons, or if they continue to be stubborn and defensive to criticism.
I think you covered this perfectly... you show the undeniable math, but you are optimistic about the future and you wish them well. I wish them well too, and its clear that the sport is improving and becoming more marketable. The WNBA hopefully has programs to assist its players in promoting both the league and its stars, so that they can make money outside of their salaries like Caitlin Clark has. Cameron Brink probably made some money with her New Balance deal as well, and neither player has logged in a minute for the WNBA. The names and likeness deal for the NCAA has definitely benefited the WNBA, because the players can market themselves before they are drafted. Hopefully that will lead to a positive snowball effect for both the WNBA and their players, and the economics will become better for both.
Someone should lower it without them knowing. Also was the question asked to Clark what she makes off endorsements? Crying on pay when they are banking on endorsements. While working less on the court vs the NBA
They should look at the average height for women and then look at the average height for men. Just based off that, IT WOULD BE LOGICAL to lower the rim for women. See men understand this logic and it makes sense to have the rim a tad lower for women. We keep telling these chicks that it would help make it more exciting for women. Men are literally telling women we would be more interested if women could start dunking. Men are the ones that watch the wnba more than women do, so why not appease the fans? How is that un logical? 🤔
I live near DC and I go to a lot of Wizards games. My girlfriend who played basketball in High School moved in with me recently and wants to go to a WNBA game. We have checked tickets and right now the cheapest WNBA game is over 3x what we typically pay for Wizards games. They have moved the Mystics vs Fever game to the Capital One Arena and yet I guarantee tickets are still going to be more expensive than Lakers @ Wizards for the cheapest tickets
Ive seen these clips a bunch of times. But the irony of them getting so sassy abt lowering the rim when they play with a smaller ball right now is amazing 😂😂
well done bro!! the issue isn't skill it's the stories. better storylines get more interest. people love a good story. good characters. a bad guy and good guy. anti heroes. comebacks. they are skilled they just need better stories which now they are creating.
Ms. Clarks’ Gifts and demeanor brought me back to this sport. I was raised in the outskirts of Los Angeles watching the clash of Titans Bird and MJ, then the Jordan era.. since then it was mediocre. I would tune in and watch Kobe and early Lebron , but only the highlights or last game clips at the finals. Then I stumbled upon a highlight reel of a pretty and humble brunette in a Hawkeye jersey, passing like MJ, assisting like Bird and draining shots from the parking lot like Curry on his best night. I thanked almighty God that moment for the gift he gave us ,of the splendor of hardwork and a dream in Caitlin Clark. There is hope in basketball and I am blessed to be alive to see it. Go Fever!! 🤒🙏🥰 Hawai’i is Watching.
The fact that we have to explain why wnba players do not make more money is mind boggling! The fact it has to be explained at all is the exact reason we have an issue to begin with!
The problem with comparing the wnba with the 70s era is that in 1970 (the 25th season) the nba was able to have an avg player salary of 90k in 70s money so it was still bringing in enough money to pay its players unlike the wnba
They’re completely clueless to the fact that they are in the entertainment business. It’s really not about how good they are at a game. If you want fans and dollars you’ve got to provide a product that we want to spend our hard earned dollars on, and that means you need to entertain us or we will spend elsewhere.
I agree lowering the rim would cause them to have to alter their game, but the NBA has moved the 3-point line multiple times. It's not like we're asking them to wear less clothes to sell tickets. You're not playing to dunk, you're playing to entertain and that entertainment is where the value and your salary is as a player. You already use a smaller ball...lower the rim.
In the 1970s only 7 teams in the NBA were profitable but teams paid as much as 63 percent of revenue to the players without often without any subsidization. The WNBA gets subsidized by the NBA and aren’t hurting for cash but they only pay 10 percent of revenue to they’re players. The math ain’t mathin 🤔
Also, simple business concept: you're paid what you are worth to the company. I work in the hospital as an RN. I get paid less than an attending physician because an attending's scope of practice, education and experience are more valuable to the hospital than my experience/education/scope as an RN. I get paid more than an LNA because my experience/education/scope are more valuable than theirs. It's not saying that any of us are more or less important or better/worse. It's simply saying that, from a business standpoint, an attending physician will generate more revenue for the hospital than an RN or an LNA. I mean, patients travel across the world to see a particularly skilled doctor. I've never heard of anyone traveling around the world for a great nurse. So the attending gets paid more. Same thing for the WNBA players. Far more fans will pay $400+ to see Steph Curry play than they will to see Candace Parker. Far more people will tune in to TV to watch that game. Far more people will buy GSW swag than whatever team Parker played for. It doesn't mean that women are better/worse...it means that they are less valuable because they have much less ability to generate revenue. Therefore, they get paid less. Welcome to capitalism. Definitely not a perfect system, but definitely better than anything else I've dealt with.
Thjs is so amazingly ridiculous that it really obliterates any hope and good feeling of humanity even coming close to beging to turn it wicked ways onto a more logical sense of reality that allows for real fairness and justice.
If The WNBA players want to be like the NBA so much then why do they use a women's ball? Why do they use a women's three-point line but not want to use a lower rim?
The rim needs to be lowered it doesn’t take that long to adjust to a lower rim every play court has a different height rim it never messed with me that why you shot around and get used to it I played on 9 ft and 12 ft sooooo
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WHAT IF CAITLIN CLARK WAS BLACK AND FROM LOUISIANA...EXACTLY
Where you at bro 😎
Jesus loves you and may God bless you ..
@@hellochildren69literally has to do with nothing 😂
Nobody knows that clark got whooped twice in the finals? Angel reese made the shit pop that made people wanna watch her lose to clark!
As much as I want the WNBA to thrive, the female players need to keep in mind that basketball is a business. It’s very difficult for the WNBA to get close to being equal to the NBA when the women’s league isn’t generating the amount of revenue that is necessary simply to break even
More women needs to watch WNBA, buy merch and tickets.
And they're mad about not getting payed when it makes sense lmao welcome to woke society
They need to lower the rim atleast 1ft so ladies can dunk
Agreed. They should both make a close to equal % of the league's earnings. I'm all for making it % equal, from earnings to court size, rim height, and ball size. Why they cool with the ball size being different, but not the other things?
This. i don't get why it's so hard for them to comprehend that. Their egos are too inflated when it comes to different options like lowering the rim. It'd definitely be more entertaining to watch them if dunks become more common in the WNBA
As Bill Buhr said: "It's not my job to care about WNBA. I have men's sport to pay attention to. Not men, women failed the WNBA. None of you showed up."
...and lgbts
Bunch of women that hate men, but want men to support their league lol, you can't make this stuff up
Do you think LGBT's don't watch the NBA?
@@rocketfighter8 They barely do. Its mostly straight dudes.
@@gunn25 But some do watch.
WNBA: wE wAnT tO pLaY aT tHe sAmE lEveL aS tHE nBA
Also WNBA: *uses smaller balls and shorter 3-point range*
and when asked to lower rim is seen as disrespectful you can't say you want to be on equal grounds and do it only half the way and expect to get paid the same
I forgot they already had those things so what’s the big deal about half a foot lower rim because these things can help them succeed
Quarter lengths are also shorter, the WNBA plays a 1/3 of the games the nba does for their season. But yes, lowering rims is disrespectful
This is the type of critical thinking skills that people need these days. The answer to these types of questions are not very difficult to comprehend when you apply more brain power than usual. Smaller basketballs, shorter lengths of games and quarters and shorter 3 point line…..but lowering the rim is so beneath them 🙄. If that’s the case and their pride is so important let’s just let the WNBA continue to lose money and eventually fold. Because they clearly do not want to help the league succeed, they just want their pockets fatter smh
Women’s hands are smaller by nature so I agree with them using a smaller ball.
Maybe during the off-season these women could go to business classes to understand why they're not getting paid as much? 😂
They’re all using girl math.
100% approved of this.😂
It's easier to complain over and over again for years tho...they'll probably grow a few inches to be capable of dunking like their male counterparts before that. 😫
LOWER the rim...an average female is shorter than an average male...WHY do y'all hate science so much?!
Economics
And train at 9ft. Humans adapt. No excuses.
I love how none of these women admit to these facts: Our league draws less viewership on TV and in person. Our league is operating at a loss. Super convenient to lobby for more while simultaneously ignoring the underlining problem that contributes to the wages you are paid. #YouCantMakeThisShitUp
You really can't
Collage players are getting money for their likeness or jersey sales but WNBA aren't. Doesn't make sense.
Exactly. It's so simple, but they're too dumb to realize.
If they want views, then make better content, or at least try to. By lowering the God Damn ring for starters.
Jeez.🤦♂️🙄
@@thejoke2791 It's not that they're dumb. It's that the Woke Marxists have brainwashed people to believe that everyone should get the same outcome, regardless of the facts.
You’re expecting a group of women to take responsibility, accountability, and accept the facts? You’re a funny guy
If WOMEN would support the WNBA.....the ladies would make more money 🤔 why wont WOMEN support them is the question 😮
@steverl22 Women are not big sports fans.
Exactly, real woman typically watch what their husbands watch. @@Redridge07
Because they feel like they’re too masculine is why
@@GreatestOneDestroyer Have you looked at the women playing basketball? 90% look like women.
@@GreatestOneDestroyer Have you watched the women players? About 95% look like women and 10% look like models.
i never paid attention to the WNBA, but with all these women saying all these crap, makes me HATE the WNBA
Blame the people that constantly put microphones in front of their faces even though they know full well that nobody watches their games
@@LoneWolf-mu3xm
Nah. Blame their foolish egotistical answers to the questions.
like foreal tho they dam near just given them a free check n mfs complaining ....sorry to say but it seems every sector of life women do the same shit
@Jordanelev3n
They want half of the world,
that men built, but in saying that, "soft" men opened the door for them to be this way. So yeah, yet again,
the blame is on men.🤣
Same, but I will tune in for players like Clarke, Reese, etc. Plus in the next few years you'll have someone like Hailey Van Lith who's pretty damn popular that will join the league too. The future is bright for the WNBA, but these old cranky women need to accept that their time is done
if the women's volleyball net was as tall as the mens' nobody would watch it
You are right to be honest
Who watches women’s volleyball for the gene? Smh
@@MJK-leaderno he isn’t. Most people don’t even watch womens volleyball for the sport 😂
WNBA players should play in Bikini's Lol
@@thewatcher2305 tbh most ppl i know do, because its better to watch than the mens game.
There’s a simple solution to this problem….. WNBA get fans to actually go to the games….. than salaries will increase…. It’s not rocket science
Agreed. Figuring out a way to get people to watch WNBA games is MUCH more difficult than rocket science
Exactly why is it so hard for them to understand?
They're not special. They think we owe them because they're "professionals" 😂😂
@@Kambo1031it takes investment to get viewership, and guess what investing in getting more viewers gets you nothing from the NBA that's peaked in that area,
Funny thing is that they have a lot of animosity towards someone like Caitlin Clarke. She's basically the messiah for them and they're rejecting her because she gets more attention...
Crying about lowering the rim, yet they use a smaller ball.😂
Right! How long did it take them to get used to a smaller ball and shorter 3 line??? They whine about shortening the rim cuz 90% still won’t be able to dunk.
Make it make sense lady’s 😂🤣😂🤣
I can understand the ball bcause they hands smaller
Don't forget accepting " WELFARE MONEY from the NBA.
@@ronque23thats wild😭😭😭😭
I played ball all my life. On 10ft rims, 9 1/2, 8. It takes like 3 shots to readjust. And I don’t miss more, I probably make more the lower it is. Excuses are easy, but reality is hard to see for these self entitled women of the WNBA.
😂😂 that's what I was saying. They don't wanna make more money, if they did the WNBA would be more entertaining.
Exactly. It's like a lot more players on a single team can make an open 3 these days, compared to the golden age.
People adapt.
I love how people act like lowering the rim so they can dunk will really add all that much excitement to the games. All everyone will say is "of she can do that it's a 9 foot rim..". Lowering the rim to 9 feet will allow more dunks, but the dunks won't be seen as impressive because they are doing it with the same athleticism that they currently have.
@@cobra7282 it's about excitement and getting the crowd involved in the game so they can feel entertained. Lowering the rim would work and here's why. The AVERAGE height in the wnba is 6ft. So watching women who aren't as athletic as the men, and can't jump as high, dunk on a reasonable rim level would be both entertaining and bring more money and viewers to the league. And the people who love the game wouldn't talk trash because we understand that the women are very skilled but they just aren't as athletic as the guys. But we would still watch the wnba for our favorite player and for the love of the game. In my opinion.
@@aceofdimndz0419 I understand all of this. I simply don't agree that people will find the dunking all that entertaining. What makes a dunk so impressive in the men's game is the athleticism that is allowing them to do it. The women will still be the same athletically, but with artificially lower rim so they can dunk. I am sure some people will find it entertaining, but I don't think the masses will. Just look at CC, I doubt she can even come close to dunking and yet the entire nation is enamored with her. If she brings eyes in than people will see the preexisting talent in the league and probably be just fine with the product as it is.
I think bill burr said it best when he implied that there is a reason the Kardashians are multi-billionaires and pro female athletes are broke and the reason is that women don’t support female sports
This
I went to Bellagio Hotel in Vegas,
They were giving out free tickets to Las Vegas Aces. I left my 2 tickets in my cupholder in my car and i checked in to the hotel. Next morning i went down to my car and i noticed someone broke my passenger side windows to get into my car! I was checking if i was missing anything... and I realized now i had 4 tickets to wnba game...
🤣🤣🤣 sheesh...
That'll teach ya
You don't get a dime with your jersey because they're already losing money for you to have a job in the first place.
EXACTLY!!! The WNBA is a WELFARE program!!!
instead of lowering the rim we could raise the floor
Raising the floor would raise the rim an equal amount. 😂
@@rocketfighter8 I think the rim and backboard come from down from above the ceiling. 😊
It’s actually so funny, whenever someone suggests a possible solution that helps grow their game they are completely closed off to it, you gotta try something new to see progress right??
WNBA games are like watching 2 teams of DJ Khaled playing and Shaqting a fool highlights!
Ok that would be hilarious 😂
there not very good
guarantee bro has never watched a single game
@@benbotkin226 I have💀
I have and never again!
Why can’t they realize nobody really watches the WNBA. Why go to a game when it’s not even interesting on TV?
Softball is better because the field is smaller.
Tbh i would use wnba just to make 💵 if you know what I mean 😏
They're playing the same game as the men? Last I checked the women's ball is smaller than the men's. Last I checked the women's three-point line is closer than the men's. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about these facts?
Their games are also 40 minutes long instead of 48. Not only that but their regulae season is only 40 games.
Nobody cares about watching missed layups
These ladies in the WNBA can ball
@@Redridge07 Ok you go pay them then
@@WoollyViking What? Are you ok? This was about women and their basketball skills. It doesn't make sense for you to throw in, pay them. I guess this is why reading comprehension scores on SAT's have been falling.
I don’t care who gets mad at this because it’s the truth, these players need to shut up and focus on improving the product first before worrying about the money they getting paid. If your product is crap your viewership will be crap, if you’re more focused on messaging (WNBA is pushing LGBTQ and BLM messaging, which from stories I’ve read about the culture in the WNBA it’s just toxic you get hated if you straight and it’s even worse if you’re a straight white woman). The comment about revenue sharing is bs because the last I looked the women get more from revenue shares than the men do and the revenue share is actually more than what the base contracts are. The league only plays three months and only has 12-15 teams in it, of course you aren’t making money because the season is so short that when it finally starts getting “interesting” it’s over. They always complain oh we aren’t making enough money we’ll get a business degree and figure out how you can actually help the league grow. The league also needs a better marketing team to get viewers on the product, like I want to see the WNBA grow and prosper and hopefully these next few generations of players can do that but the talent isn’t where it needs to be, the marketing isn’t where it needs to be and finally the mentality isn’t where it needs to be.
Women are physiologically 6” shorter than men.
I understand their argument that they’ve played on 10’ hoops their whole lives, but a 9’6” hoop height goes well with their average height of players & size 6 basketball.
Take it straight to 9'. I think it'd be more entertaining
@@thejoke2791 I think you would be in the minority. Most would simply refuse to be impressed because it's on a 9 foot rim.
@cobra7282
Nah, I feel there'd be more action. More highlights. Better layups, put backs, blocks, and of course, dunks.
They should at least try it for a season than ruling it out. See how the athletes adapt and perform.
Most of these women hate the people that they want to support them.
Instead of actually generating more fans and attention to gain money for their league they rather complain. .thats Women at its finest 😂
The sheer hurt ego and ignorance of the old/current wnba guard is laughable and the main reason why I don^t care at all for them. 0. Now Caitlin Clark seems to capable, grounded to reality and driven by sports not ego. I wanna see more of her. But the rest, needs to take several steps back.
Make money .. you get paid. LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN AMERICA!!
Hardly anyone is getting paid in MURICA.
There are several 3'rd world countries with similar minimum salary, less homelessness and better social equality.
Ahhh yeah I remember now, NBA players started making money out of nowhere, didn't have to invest into it at akl
@@DonnyThaDealer ahhh yeah, they started with ownership that viewed Men’s Basketball as potentially profitable. Then they took their OWN money and gambled that it would happen. Not looking for charity from another league to pay their bills. Pro Basketball started in 1937 bur NBA started in 1949. Average player was making 4-5000 ..the median income in America was $3100 for white males and $1700 for non-whites. So .. about 66% more than average white male.
Median Income in USA is just under $60,000 in 2023. All things being equal, basketball player should be at $100,000. So the men are doing quite well. The women .. are making almost EXACTLY what men made when league started. Now, instead of crying about the facts .. get you butt out there and sell tickets. If people will but tickets to watch the product, Womens basketball, all your income issues are solved.
@@rickschroth9869 their OWN money huh, the NBA that never existed used it's OWN money to get started, not the donations of strangers.
They are no star's in the WNBA 99% of the people couldn't name one player besides Clark.
Stewie, Aja Wilson,Skylar Diggins , Kelsey Plum are stars tho Dianna Tarausi just saying they got some stars it just not the NBA
CANDANCE PARKER, JUWANNA MANN, B GRINDER, Lexie brown , angel reese
@@1800fedupBG? That tall thing that missed 6 dunks in a row without anyone defending 😅
Stop taking a big chunk of money each year from the MENS NBA and then you can yap all you want, but when you need a 15 million dollar "donation" each year it means you aren't that popular
LSU vs Iowa wasn't the national championship. it was South Carolina and they completely disrespected all those women by taking a historic season with no losses and brushing it to the side to glaze Caitlyn Clark
How many trans were on SC?
They did have a few on the team 😊
They don’t wanna lower the hoop, but they have a smaller ball than men do. What’s the difference ?
Hand size. There is a 0% chance that Brittney Griner has the same hand size as LeBron James
@@leir2005 exactly. So why is the goal the same size? No girl is tall as Shaq?
And shorter 3 point distance 😂😂
Mike as a sixers fan my heart is hurting🤦🏻♂️😂
Me to😢
@@Titaniam4too
Joel has the make it past the second round challenge coming up
@@the_mobile_ninja5742I rly love Joel but td proved to me that he’s not always all there…they said he had ZERO points in the 4th quarter and seeing that almost brought tears to my eyes lol. I’m a sixers fan and I love my team but the truth is the truth and we had no business competing with these top teams…but I still got hope in those boys and I hope we beat those knicks!
If the WNBA disappeared tomorrow, no one would notice or care, only the players.
Kelsey Plum saying we want the same revenue share…. Then pay the league😂😂😂
Even if WNBA Players dunk I still will not watch 😂😂
Wat people have to understand is patience!!!! The wnba players is pocket watching everybody else right now... But at yr 20 of the NBA which was Polly in the 50 or 60s, those players wasn't making as much as the wnba players are making right now
Exactly what I pointed out to someone else earlier. They were barely making when the league was at that age. The NBA almost got shut down completely because of the lack of revenue and profit throughout that time period. Sounds familiar. If it wasn’t for the NBA’s funding today, the WNBA would be in real jeopardy
@@bhill005 wnba don't make money, complety funded by NBA
@@Thtman000 Yep, they don’t profit at all. And, these women somehow think they deserve more. Crazy
Truth of the matter is, even if you lowered the rim to 9 feet, the majority of the league STILL couldn’t dunk. And the ones who couldn’t would be extremely salty about getting dunked on.
Maaan!!! This really triggers me... NBA is carrying the WNBA finances, for years, because they believe in the growth and development of the business and that someday WNBA could be a sustainable league. Women are being proportionally being paid more than the man in therms of revenue. Man basketball players seem to be the only ones trying to find possible solutions to increase viewership and the WNBA athletes get offended by it. Like, they could just say no, thank you for trying to help but I don't think that's the solution, instead they get triggered like it's some kind of criticism, when they already have a smaller and lighter ball, a 3 point line closer to the hoop and 2 less minutes in each quarter. These got me wishing that the NBA stop babysitting the WNBA and invest that money in the All-Stars Weekend to rescue something that isn't ungrateful...
They better not make a women’s NFL either 🤦🏿♂️
If they ask if I wanna play in a lower rim. Well hell yea I wanna play on a lower rim.
I've been to a wnba game once . Never went again .just wasn't for me . What doesn't make sense is woman don't even watch wnba .so there own gender doesn't even support them
It's agenda driven, the wnba only works in a political division scale (male vs female), which is their goal (financiers).
It’s bc the wnba is not good. Some of those women have talent but it’s not entertaining. Let them juice if you wanna make it more interesting. You are being politically correct if you say it’s nba level quality. Now the women’s NCAA was interesting I’ll be fair
Facts it's not entertaining enough either
who is here long enough to remember Mike saying PrizePicks ads will be for a month only?
3:30 I feel for her next child. She has to go against evolution of all things to make mommy's illusion a reality.
unfortunate for her it won't happen
And it probably wont even happen💀
Her next child will be male
It's like people don't think there were extremely athletic players back when the NBA was in it's infancy. Men have had similar levels of athleticism as now for a long time.
And she had her current daughter with a 6'9 NBA player that was drafted #5 overall at one point in his life. She needs a donor now if she wants to have another daughter, she's married to a woman
To lower the rim is the most man like response ever 🤦🏾♂️ we don’t put thought into what we say and when the rim is lower for them to dunk, we’ll be complaining about not seeing explosive dunks 😂
No, this is the most man response ever. The WNBA is unwatchable, I don't care if they lowered the rims, found attractive women to play in it, and gave money away to go watch their games. I still wouldn't watch it. The "rim lower" suggestion was just men trying to be nice
Why they mad they already have a smaller ball 😂 just lower the rim
It's boring and this is coming from a woman who played. Like watch the WNBA or watch endgame... I will take Iron Man saving the world... it never gets old 😂
So if they want the percentage of the revenue they would be playing for free 😂
The WNBA should place blame on the lack of revenue on the fans who come to their games disguised as empty seats
When you bring in as much money as the nba does you can ask for equal pay but you dont you bring in 2%(200M)
they don't even bring 2%💀💀. yeah they can't complain
I tried to listen to u on that Jokic .5 points but I waited till Monday and they took it down.
NEVER WAIT!
What the hell is WNBA 😕😕
It’s crazy they aren’t okay with lowering the rim smh when LITERALLY they already have a smaller basketball and a smaller three point line🙄🙄 but yet they act like they are equal and that it’s completely the same game with the nba and wnba smh
they can be mad all they want.. I would rather watch grass grow than to watch the WNBA.. but I will be watching CC's games this year.. if they lower the rim to 9 1/2.. I'll watch women dunking on each other
Exactly but they too stubborn to make the change
They complain about not making enough but when one presents a solution they bitch and moan " I've been playing on 10ft rim my whole life " yeah who cares every woman will be at the same disadvantage if they lower the rim cause none of them practiced on it, which will definitely make it more entertaining to see who can adapt the fastest
The rim needs to be lowered it doesn’t take that long to adjust to a lower rim every play court has a different height rim it never messed with me that why you shot around and get used to it I played on 9 ft and 12 ft sooooo
@@mecca7356 I also play on multiple size rims from 10 1/2 to 9.. takes me 5 mins of shooting to adjust
They're ignoring the *business logic.* No one watches it for what it is, they watch it for what THEY like.
LMAOOOOOOOOOO naw this has to be a parody video or something im dead
If women want wnba players to get paid more, they have to financially support/watch the wnba instead of just complaining about it
20 views in 1 minute?
Mike really has fallen off
Mike both intro songs have been fire for like forever. So glad you look to be feeling better
The onus is always placed on men to fix this.
Meanwhile 80% of their viewers are men while their fellow women don't even care to watch them
Nobody makes the WNBA look more ridiculous than WNBA players
WNBA needs a superstar that can change the viewership like what Magic and Brid did then followed by MJ then LeBron and Steph where we can see role players from the WNBA can average 1 mil for vet minimims
Thank you, I’m a female that cheers for women in sports, I’m old but these opportunities were not even available to women in sports in the 70’s and early 80’s it’s progress.
It truly is a misconception... that WNBA generates revenue
@sourmilk911 Sorry dude, but you do not understand finance. It is 100% a fact that the WNBA generates revenue. You are confusing earnings with revenue. Revenue is the money you take in. Then you have your expenses. Earnings = Revenue - expenses. The WNBA does not have any earnings.
“you want us to lower the rims just so you can see me dunk on someone ?” Absolutely 🤣
The problem with the WNBA has always been that no one has been willing to tell them the truth. And the truth is their product is unwatchable, and their players are unlikable. Unwatchable: at just over 82 ppg, they score a whopping 32 ppg less than their male counterparts. That's trash as well as very boring. Unlikable: besides the constant complaining and lecturing male sports fans about how we have hidden hate for women because we don't want to watch a WNBA game, they also make stupid divisive political statements like Kneeling for the National Anthem and wearing "VOTE WARNOCK" T-shirts. IMO, an organization that has to be subsidized in order to remain solvent should not be making divisive political statements. The WNBA is going to get it's chance now with Caitlin Clark and others coming into the league. Let's see if they actually learn any lessons, or if they continue to be stubborn and defensive to criticism.
I think you covered this perfectly... you show the undeniable math, but you are optimistic about the future and you wish them well. I wish them well too, and its clear that the sport is improving and becoming more marketable. The WNBA hopefully has programs to assist its players in promoting both the league and its stars, so that they can make money outside of their salaries like Caitlin Clark has. Cameron Brink probably made some money with her New Balance deal as well, and neither player has logged in a minute for the WNBA. The names and likeness deal for the NCAA has definitely benefited the WNBA, because the players can market themselves before they are drafted. Hopefully that will lead to a positive snowball effect for both the WNBA and their players, and the economics will become better for both.
I don't understand why they want to compete with men so much like we're not equal 😂
How was Shaq mansplaining? He just said his opinion.
Being mad because people don’t want to watch your game is an elite level of entitlement…
Someone should lower it without them knowing.
Also was the question asked to Clark what she makes off endorsements? Crying on pay when they are banking on endorsements. While working less on the court vs the NBA
They should look at the average height for women and then look at the average height for men.
Just based off that, IT WOULD BE LOGICAL to lower the rim for women.
See men understand this logic and it makes sense to have the rim a tad lower for women.
We keep telling these chicks that it would help make it more exciting for women.
Men are literally telling women we would be more interested if women could start dunking.
Men are the ones that watch the wnba more than women do, so why not appease the fans?
How is that un logical? 🤔
Fr I want to see women jump & dunk on each other.
Facts
I live near DC and I go to a lot of Wizards games. My girlfriend who played basketball in High School moved in with me recently and wants to go to a WNBA game. We have checked tickets and right now the cheapest WNBA game is over 3x what we typically pay for Wizards games. They have moved the Mystics vs Fever game to the Capital One Arena and yet I guarantee tickets are still going to be more expensive than Lakers @ Wizards for the cheapest tickets
Ive seen these clips a bunch of times. But the irony of them getting so sassy abt lowering the rim when they play with a smaller ball right now is amazing 😂😂
So it's not enough that these dudes pretending to be girls are playing against real girls but they are also complaining about the salary gap??
well done bro!! the issue isn't skill it's the stories. better storylines get more interest. people love a good story. good characters. a bad guy and good guy. anti heroes. comebacks. they are skilled they just need better stories which now they are creating.
Ms. Clarks’ Gifts and demeanor brought me back to this sport. I was raised in the outskirts of Los Angeles watching the clash of Titans Bird and MJ, then the Jordan era.. since then it was mediocre. I would tune in and watch Kobe and early Lebron , but only the highlights or last game clips at the finals. Then I stumbled upon a highlight reel of a pretty and humble brunette in a Hawkeye jersey, passing like MJ, assisting like Bird and draining shots from the parking lot like Curry on his best night. I thanked almighty God that moment for the gift he gave us ,of the splendor of hardwork and a dream in Caitlin Clark. There is hope in basketball and I am blessed to be alive to see it. Go Fever!! 🤒🙏🥰 Hawai’i is Watching.
Excellent take. I wish everyone could see this fairly described sensitive situation
You hit this out of the park. Nailed it!
who would have guessed that a league that has literally never turned a profit would have players that get paid less than the profitable league
Business that’s what all you WOKE folks don’t understand
They complain about ppl not watching WNBA but won’t make the adjustment the fans are asking for, but they have no problem using a smaller basketball…
i just wanna say that you did a great job reporting on such a sensitive topic in sports. awesome vid mike
Isn’t Caitlin Clark also on a ROOKIE CONTRACT like ya know where you make the least amount of money in your career.
Reruns of sponge bob square paints draws more views than this league .
Majority of businesses close when they haven't made a profit for over 20 years.
The fact that we have to explain why wnba players do not make more money is mind boggling! The fact it has to be explained at all is the exact reason we have an issue to begin with!
The problem with comparing the wnba with the 70s era is that in 1970 (the 25th season) the nba was able to have an avg player salary of 90k in 70s money so it was still bringing in enough money to pay its players unlike the wnba
Why in the hell do they think they deserve anywhere close to the % of Revenue the guys get?
The entitlement is wild
They’re completely clueless to the fact that they are in the entertainment business. It’s really not about how good they are at a game. If you want fans and dollars you’ve got to provide a product that we want to spend our hard earned dollars on, and that means you need to entertain us or we will spend elsewhere.
I agree lowering the rim would cause them to have to alter their game, but the NBA has moved the 3-point line multiple times. It's not like we're asking them to wear less clothes to sell tickets. You're not playing to dunk, you're playing to entertain and that entertainment is where the value and your salary is as a player. You already use a smaller ball...lower the rim.
In the 1970s only 7 teams in the NBA were profitable but teams paid as much as 63 percent of revenue to the players without often without any subsidization. The WNBA gets subsidized by the NBA and aren’t hurting for cash but they only pay 10 percent of revenue to they’re players. The math ain’t mathin 🤔
It's not like the WNBA plays with the official size NBA basketball. I think it's a good idea to lower the basketball rim 🏀.
Also, simple business concept: you're paid what you are worth to the company. I work in the hospital as an RN. I get paid less than an attending physician because an attending's scope of practice, education and experience are more valuable to the hospital than my experience/education/scope as an RN. I get paid more than an LNA because my experience/education/scope are more valuable than theirs. It's not saying that any of us are more or less important or better/worse. It's simply saying that, from a business standpoint, an attending physician will generate more revenue for the hospital than an RN or an LNA. I mean, patients travel across the world to see a particularly skilled doctor. I've never heard of anyone traveling around the world for a great nurse. So the attending gets paid more.
Same thing for the WNBA players. Far more fans will pay $400+ to see Steph Curry play than they will to see Candace Parker. Far more people will tune in to TV to watch that game. Far more people will buy GSW swag than whatever team Parker played for. It doesn't mean that women are better/worse...it means that they are less valuable because they have much less ability to generate revenue. Therefore, they get paid less. Welcome to capitalism. Definitely not a perfect system, but definitely better than anything else I've dealt with.
Thjs is so amazingly ridiculous that it really obliterates any hope and good feeling of humanity even coming close to beging to turn it wicked ways onto a more logical sense of reality that allows for real fairness and justice.
WNBA stars are gonna be furious when they realize Nike won't pay them $20 mill. LOL.
So the women don’t want to change their game, they just want everyone to start liking it because they like it? Makes sense
If The WNBA players want to be like the NBA so much then why do they use a women's ball? Why do they use a women's three-point line but not want to use a lower rim?
The rim needs to be lowered it doesn’t take that long to adjust to a lower rim every play court has a different height rim it never messed with me that why you shot around and get used to it I played on 9 ft and 12 ft sooooo
its simple logic the more people come to the games the more you pack the arenas the higher the revenue the more the athletes get paid.