Integra Type S vs Camaro SS 1LE vs CT4-V Blackwing - Head to Head Review!
Вставка
- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- Before I bought my Integra Type S, I strongly considered the Camaro SS 1LE and CT4-V Blackwing as my dual purpose daily driver and track car. A month later, let's see if I bought the wrong car...
Follow me on IG: / zygrene
Email me if you'd like me to review your car: zygrene@gmail.com
LOL you red flagged the CT4-V's decent V6 sound....but did not point out the more lackluster 4 cylinder turbo sound from the Integra......
Good point on sound alone the Acura sounds are not good. Im sure its a good car but for the extra money the Cadillac BW is a better buy
Just a little bias 😂
@@jeremyjune7002 How dare he.....lol that aggressive V6 and the pops on the BlackWing are awesome compared to that Integra Type S.
The Blackwing will absolutely pack that Integra’s lunch any day of the week. How is this even a comparable car lol!?
@westsideskateshop564 haha for real though 💯.
So both the Cadi and the 1LE will absolutely merc that Integra in any metric imaginable as the platform and power trains are in vastly superior ball parks but I appreciate you putting this review together. I feel your conclusions are biased and contradict anything well known auto reviews say but I get it, you bought what appeals to you. Thanks for the content.
Very biased. I have friends like him. They will praise anything Japanese/Asian, but anything else other than exotic, he will crap on. They always say "heavy and large" for domestic.
He will find reasons to knock everything Domestic. The American car could be superior in every way and he will still find a reason to knock it.
I mean, look at his cars and what he purchases. They all think the same. Bias.
Biased how?
He says it very clearly.
The SS 1LE is a hell of a car. Great value per performance but if you need more space the SS 1LE isn't the right car.
Your next choice will be the Integra. Offers excellent performance, especially in the turns for a little more than the Camaro.
You must pay more if you still want power similar to the Camaro plus more space.
@@Marbind Japanese car haters it seems (they are the "biased" ones)
@@backnu I actually think Zygrene is pretty objective. However, you do have a point. I grew up in Orange County California and the JDM dck riding is real. They all assume domestics are just heavy and can't handle no matter how many official laptimes you show them. They'll drool over a clapped out S2k, but see a Zr1 as another basic Vette. The term "JDM kid" exists for a reason.
@@kevintran963 he's okay. I've seen worse. It's one of those things that he is disconnected from reality. Everything to him needs to weigh about 3000-3200 lbs, but that's not realistic. Not in a car that makes real HP. He's used to these front wheel drive cars barely making 300 HP and less. When it comes to power, the brakes have to be upgraded, the clutches😕, axles, transmission. All of that adds weight. And he'd be quick to point out that Porsche and Ferraris are light weight, but they also use a lot of exotic materials, aluminum, and carbon, which would drastically increase the prices of normal cars like Mustangs to 100k+.
And lets be real, line an S2000 or a Civic Type R beside a Mustang GT at a stoplight and tell me how many bus-lengths his beloved Hondas would be left behind.
And I know he runs his car and track, but it's a momentum track - made for lighter cars and carrying speed. It's made for light cars. There's only really one curve where it's low speed. Everything else is momentum based. It's a farce if anything.
He's a JDM and he will always be biased. There's no way around it.
I've always wanted a manual Camaro with better visibility and daily drivable. The CT4 BW was the perfect car for me and i bought it at MSRP no problem. Can't say the same about Honda dealerships as they are the worst to deal with in terms of markups and annoying sales managers. Refuse to pay 60k for a 4 banger integra (which you did not make any comments about the engine noise on that lol). Also I've driven both the SS and the CT4 and CT5 Blackwing versions and I don't see any issues with the noise of the V6 sounds absolutely great to me.
just one thing, why are you tring to buy acura from honda
@@sonnyzhao2309 oh yes how foolish of me, I forgot the Acura Integra type S has no markup. Only Honda does markups...Thank you Confucius.
@GeronimoBiggles it's kinda true tho...here in the DMV there aren't dealerships doing markups...
@GeronimoBiggles 2-5K ADM on the ITS plus accessories in most cases. My biggest problem with his review is saying the ITS's interior is better than the CT4's. With the totally fake Carbon Fiber looking dash and really bad front seats. You have to downgrade your steering wheel and pay more to get it heated. Make it make sense. Between Honda and Acura I gave up with the silly games, like starting at 15K ADM so when you get it down to 4K they try to make it up on your trade, Honda. Or charging 8K for 2-3K worth of "accessories " plus 2-5K ADM, Acura. smh
@@racer247 yeah I really don't think anything is better on the Type S over the CT4 besides being lighter weight and subjectively the appearance which is completely an opinion and not a fact. Literally every other category it gets crushed by the Blackwing for realistically the same price after dealer markups. And that ugly economy car tablet screen on the Acura that sticks up all the way looks so tacky for a luxury car. When people are bringing up Honda reliability and saving maintenance money on $50k plus turbo charged sports cars with premium fuel they really are just reaching for validation. The Cadillac comes with a factory 6 year 70k mile drivetrain warranty on the Blackwing I really don't think it gets much better than that for these types of cars.
My 18 SS 1LE weighs 3568 w/half tank, not sure why a lot of people say 3800, not even close, my old 5th gen SS wasn't even 3800. I daily mine and absolutely love it. Best car I have ever driven. I don't even feel a need to modify it.
It's because he's bias. My 1le weighed 3696. Some said as low as 3680.
But everything American he will add more weight and say it's heavy.
The American car would beat it in every metric, but he will say the JDM car is better. There's no logic in hate. He's a reviewer, but he is definitely bias. And I don't know where he can get a Camaro for 35-40k unless it's super used. My 2SS 1le was 52k. That's some more shade he's throwing.
That’s interesting, where did you take it to get your exact curb weight?
@@SasnarDash Our local time attack group has an annual dyno day that I attend every year and they have proform race scales so you can see each corner's weight along with weight distribution % of your car.
I also daily my ‘18 1LE and there aren’t many cars under $100K that can compete
@@1LElifers3
YOU MADE THE WRONG CHOICE AND THIS VIDEO WAS YOU TRYING TO JUSTIFY NOT BUYING THE CT4-V BLACKWING.
I own a 23 CT4V Blackwing with a manual 6 speed and I can tell you there is no way that integra compares or competes. The integra looks nice but it's not in the same league. The CT4V Blackwing competes with the M2 and even M3 in some aspects.
@@bradleyjordan9418 100%. I have an M340 and this Blackwing is priced the same with M3 overall performance. Not to mention on Car and Driver's Lightning Lap the Caddy is 10 seconds quicker....per lap than the Integra.
I have a 22 4 blackwing. It’s the best hp sedan in the world. I had a ZR1 and the Blackwing though not as brutish is reminiscent of that kind of feel and personality.
SS 1LE and a beater Camry for a daily together for the price of an ITS
Someone actually has a brain
@@levelup3426 Unfortunately in rare supply these days. So many sheep herders on utube with lots of biased beliefs. And plenty of sheep waiting to eat up whatever their favorite talking head tells them to. Then pivot and spread it as lore.
Camaro SS 1LE is the best one in my opinion. The CT4-V Blackwing is awesome and I want one to park next to my Regal, Camaro, & Sierra. Its just a bit expensive. The Integra is awesome and I love it more than the CTR. The ITS is very nice and compares well with 330i, Giulia, & G70. At $50,000 it strikes me as overpriced, especially when for the same money, I can buy a SS 1LE or used ATS-V and match M3/M4/Giulia QV performance.
More and more expensive to meet noose-tightening emission standards. Not the case for a vehicle model 7 years old. They can not price these performance models to sell like hotcakes because they would have to pay fines to the EPA. Our government is ruining everything. By 2026ish, you will only be able to buy a mass produced ICEV with a lawnmower engine. Of course recent accelerated price inflation in general is a major factor.
Used anything can be better 🤷♂
Holy shit, have you been stalking my search history 🤔🤔🤔 This comparison set is spot-on 👍👍
Srsly, I was thinking the same thing...
Thank you so much for reviewing the 1LE again in your comparison. One of my favorite cars ever doesn't get the love it deserves. I used run with GT350's on track for $25k cheaper lol
I had a 1LE, now have a GT350. They are just as fast, 1LE is bargain of the century. Voodoo sounds better though ;-) (also less reliable!)
The only thing that I didn't liked after test driving a Shelby GT350 on the street was that below 4000 RPM there wasn't any power. No torque. Compared to my 5th gen Camaro ZL1, my Corvette C7 Z51, and my 6th gen Camaro SS, their torque is always present.
@@jmmch3358 You have to ring the Voodoos neck. I love that about it. To get any power gotta let the motor sing. Best part of the car IMO. The 6.2 in my 1LE was great, but lacked on the sound/theater department.
@@danielmembrillo6472 It’s really cool that you’ve owned both of those cars. I’ve always like both of them. And cool to hear that the 1LE can hang with the GT350 fairly well as a discount option. The Voodoo certainly sounds the business.
@@jad4ca I love the noises it makes. Very unique and the overrun at 7500 RPM sounds pure racecar. But yeah, 1LEs have no problem hanging with them. GT350 will pull on a long straight but thats about it. Such a competent car for the money. pre-covid you could find barely used 1LEs under 40k.
Great comparison video! What amazes me is that the SS 1LE is a 7 year old car and it still competes with cars above its weight class. If i had to choose, The SS 1LE fits the dual purpose category due to how well it is for the HP/Handling alone but the Blackwing/ITS just edges it out due to its practicality. The ITS reminds me of a widebody Civic Type R. If i had to choose between all three based on MSRP the ITS would be last because both GM cars are on the alpha platform which makes it hard to beat and offer better HP for value
More and more expensive to meet noose-tightening emission standards. Not the case for a vehicle model 7 years old. They can not price these performance models to sell like hotcakes because they would have to pay fines to the EPA. Our government is ruining everything. By 2026ish, you will only be able to buy a mass produced ICEV with a lawnmower engine. Of course recent accelerated price inflation in general is a major factor.
I look at the Caddy as the more practical, luxurious, Camaro SS 1LE.
This is the most biased and uninformed comparison I've seen. How come youre so obsessed with how "bad" the blackwing sounds but you dont mention the awful vacuum cleaner noise of the integra? You'd have to be insane to say the integras brakes and transmission feel anywhere near as close as the other two.
He didn’t even put it in v mode
Don’t listen to them haters. Great review keep it up
exactly, it’s all about preference. when shopping for my 1LE these other two weren’t even on my radar, but that’s my preference: big V8, RWD, M6, track suspension, and all the modern amenities ✅
Having driven other 1les I think the track alignment probably explains the steering differences between the Camaro and the blackwing.
This has actually made me consider changing to the track alignment on my blackwing at my first oil change. 😊
Recommend track alignment, diff fluid, oil change, and high temp brake fluid at 1000 miles then ready for track use
The track alignment makes a big difference. Have you driven the blackwings at the V-academy? Those have track alignment and they definitely feel different from street alignment. I'm sure the tires will wear out differently too.
Yes in track alignment for only street usage it would completely destroy the front tires, I noticed that on a previous Corvette C7 Z51 that I owned, expensive Michelin tires completely destroyed. Not worth it if you don't track your car.
Driving a car in track alignment on public roads in the Summertime is a BIG MISTAKE for your tires folks.
@@jmmch3358 I've had the Chevy track alignment on my SS 1LE since it was delivered. And after 12k miles ( ~8k of those on track) I have had zero issues with my tires being "completely destroyed". It sounds like your alignment shop didn't do a thorough job with alignment specs.
I really enjoyed this. I love odd but similar comparisons like this. having owed a 1le, fl5 type r, and also hopped for a ct4V BW myself I think id go back to a 1LE in a heartbeat. currently have a mach 1 handling pack and I think the Camaro is just so much bang for the buck! I work at an Acura dealer and the type S is fantastic. I think it looks and feels more special than the fl5 type r.
the GOAT of comparisons man, keep it up! I could sense the weight difference between the ITS and the others through the video, it appeared to dive into corners so effortlessly. but the GMs still punch above their class for sure.
I'm not sure why magazines complain about the CT4-V's "cheap" interior so much. Is it as nice as an Audi S4 or M3? No. But it still looks premium with great ergonomics and thoughtful high-end details. An example of a GREAT drivers car with a dreadful interior is the Toyota GR Corolla. That hideous interior would be enough to keep me from buying one. The CT4-V's interior wouldn't sway me away one bit.
Loved seeing this very interesting comparison! You're doing some great reviews that helps with car purchasing decisions!👍
For regular driving (99% of the time) they’re all good choices. They all have way more than enough power and are useable from day to day. Can’t go wrong with either of these, you can’t go wrong with any modern sports/performance car that’s currently available when it comes to spirited street driving. Track would depend on specific needs and wants though, but things can always be modified.
I'd have to disagree with you there. never enough power lol that's what keeps pushing the auto industry forward the last century. More power!
Just an FYI, the Camaro is not on a Eagle Supersport, or whatever you called it. It's on the supercar 3, which is up there in the super 200 tw category. The Cadillac was on the PS4S, that's going to make a big difference in steering feel, handling, grip, etc.
That explains a lot.
He said eagle f1 supersport, but I'm sure he meant supercar. which is the same tire as you mentioned and he just misspoke
@@ChristianC-gy1ym ok ... The point is the PS4S and SC3 are in completely different categories of tires, which, as I said, will make a big difference in steering, handling, etc. There's also an eagle supersport tire which is more comparable to the PS4S, so I'm not sure he just "misspoke"
@mr.t0fu oh I am sure he did. also to your point I'm not saying that's wrong. but when people review cars they review them as equipped from the factory. you don't see Carwow going out there to put the same tires on all cars before racing them? Or C&D do the same before comparing laptimes. We just have to take it with a grain of salt and compensate the difference in the mind's eye. I just see little value in pointing out the differences in tires they come with even if you're right.
@@ChristianC-gy1ym lol ok, I'm glad you are sure about what he meant. There is a point to pointing it out as some replied "that explains a lot". If someone is going to judge the handling and feeling of the cars and not point out a huge difference in tires, which is the only thing connecting the car to the road, that's a big miss in my opinion. Also have seen plenty of reviewers judge cars based on the same tire. i.e. Chris Harris. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
I had a 17 1LE and its still one of my favorite cars. The front end feel of that car is amazing.
You spent the test comparing the BW just to the 1LE in regards to its performance but hardly ever made reference to it vs the ITS. The BW isn't as raw a performance vehicle as the 1LE but it's certainly on another level in comparison to the ITS. You complained about the steering feel of the BW and the engine noise. Both are significantly better than the ITS. I've never heard anyone claim the BW's steering was numb. Short of Porsche, I think Cadillac has the best steering feel right now. And I don't understand the engine noise comment. It's not a snarling V8 but it's very good for a turbo 6. Either way, it's better than the exhaust sound of the ITS.
You made a great choice in the ITS. It's a wonderful car. But you shouldn't have to diminish another car to prop yours. It's an odd approach to diminish the BW as a "less focused" sports sedan by comparing it only to the 1LE, and omitting how it feels compared to the ITS. A significant majority of people driving the ITS and the BW back to back are going to enjoy the BW more. Even on canyon drives, and especially at the track. It has a better engine, suspension, steering feel, chassis, sound and brakes. That's not a knock against the ITS. Again, it's a GREAT car. It's just odd you complain about aspects of the BW that are better than the ITS.
To each his own. Still enjoyed the comparison.
We ended up with a CT4 BW and in large part it was the longitudinal engine "real sports car" feel that made the difference. We need backseat for the gremlins, so the camara/mustang/86 etc.. were ruled out. We were also replacing a GTI, and almost all the options were direct competitors with similar layouts. Pretty much all the current manuals are "hot" versions of C segment passenger cars in other words, and they all feel kind of same-y once you start hopping segments to look at other options. Except for the ct4/5 BW's and the M3/5 that is. There's literally nothing in-between that has a manual and a back seat, and both of us straight up preferred the feel of the Cadillac to the M3. Finding out that it would cost so much less definitely didn't hurt either.
I don't hate transverse cars, my family whip is a sportwagen 4-mo manual that I love to death, but even with a great suspension, light rims and summer tires a fwd based car still shows it's "bic disposable lighter" roots when compared to other (more expensive to assemble) engine layouts.
Do you still have your BW? How's the back seat for car seats etc? Looking at either the Camaro and the BW!
@k9gamerz145 I gotta be honest, it's not a great backseat. My wife and I are both over 6'2" though, so definitely a test fit situation. I don't think either of us could sit in front of a rear facing seat and drive this car, but again, that would probably take a true 3 row suv or an exec class sedan for us.
@@OnkyoGrady y'all are tall lol. I'm only 6ft. Wife is 5 6 so we might be okay. I need to go check one out in person.
@@k9gamerz145 at least you can probably just check any ct4, though keep in mind you'll be speccing the bucket seats on the bw (only must do aside from manual) which are thinner than the regular ones. Tbh our issue isn't really height, it's legs, so maybe it's actually fine. Wife's inseam is a 38.
@@OnkyoGrady all legs no torso? 😂 Just playing. Yeah only things I plan on getting is the bucket seats, painted calipers, and maybe different wheels and obviously the manual!!
He purposely forgot to mention the sound of the 4 banger, yet ragged on the sound of the cts. Look at him bounce all over the place in the Acura. He even said the seats were more comfortable in the other 2. So he's bouncing all over the place in the worst seats of the three. He also had understeer, torque steer and a way bouncy ride in the Acura. I didn't even finish the vid. He was just praising the Acura with all the blatant obvious problems with it. So bias.
Bias?
You are leaving out the money and space factor pal.
I don't know if you saw the review but what I saw was a guy that loves the Camaro and the Blackwing but needs more space without breaking the bank.
For that reason, he prefers the Integra.
You can't add more space to the camaro. That is fact.
The Blackwing cost more. That is another fact.
The integra isn't as fast in the straight line but is pretty close in the turns, offers great interior space without breaking the bank. Another fact.
@@Marbind yes, BIAS!!!
6th gen 1le has the same gearing as all the other lt1 powered models (lt1, 1ss, 2ss, 1le). It's the best driving car for the dollar, it's been that way since new. It's sad to see the car suffer the same fate as the 4th gen f body did; it was killed off for slow sales despite being the best driving car in its class and per dollar. It's pretty hilarious, the 4th gen and 6th gen camaro reviews read almost exactly the same. Complaints about visibility, build quality and annoyances in daily driving (small trunk opening on 6th gen, huge doors on 4th gen...poor visibility on both)...but despite that, it's been the performance choice since 2016. Just like the 4th gen was since it debuted until it was killed.
I grew up driving Hondas and Toyotas, I really wanted to like the type R and ITS. I had civics, crxs, del sols, s2ks, accord coupes and my personal favorite honda, a 4th gen prelude. I also have had every generation mr2, many supras, fx16s, alltracs....so I'm not against Japanese cars at all. With that being said, I am massively let down by the type R and ITS. For the price, they are nowhere near good enough. You can get a 240i for less...you can get a 1le for less...it's just not a compelling package. 320hp and fwd...what year is it? STIs and Evos were 30k and made 300hp with AWD 20 years ago. If you really love fwd, cobalt SS turbos made the same power and track performance in 2008. I just am not impressed with the performance for the money. The turn in and grip is amazing but it's at the limit of fwd. Imagine if the ITS had sh AWD.... I get it, it's more refined and practical. But again, if I wanted that, I could get a b58 BMW for the same money. Or hell I could buy a used Camaro AND a new civic to daily for the same price.
Great comparison though, your videos are awesome to see back to back driving of cars enthusiasts actually compare. The mainstream auto media misses the mark and this is a valid and relevant comparison to true enthusiasts
Agree with you on all points. Also a diehard Honda fan (owned 9 honda/Acuras myself), and also agree that 20years after the EVO and STi first hit America, Honda is just finally catching up (but still no AWD)... and for how much??? Over twice the amount from the 4th gen RSX Type-S to the new 5th gen Int-S. No thanks. That's ridiculous. I'll just go buy a Cobalt SS, Mazdaspeed3, or Caliber SRT4, which had the same exact formula 10years prior to the CTR. The 1st gen Mazdaspeed3 is extremely reliable to boot. Had mine for 12years and still on stock turbo, stock engine, easy 300whp with just intake and wheels. With over 200k miles, only huge maintenance/repair costs have been AC compressor, clutch, the serpentine belt tensioner, and eats through tires easily being FWD and 300whp. I think $2k in repairs/maintenance in 12years, plus $3k in tires. Tires! Ouch! Expensive car! Lol! That's $250/yr in tires! Edit: I forgot Carbon cleaning has run me $7-8 every 5k miles, so about $300.
@@copperkeyracing6167 yeah it's sad, I've owned everything and my favorites were always hot Japanese compacts. The ms3 is awesome, besides the torque steer lol. But yes, all those vehicles performed just as well as the modern counterparts and didn't cost nearly as much. I think all the manufacturers know what we want and and like...they just reserve it for the high dollar cars. Take Honda for example, the civic SI has had 200hp since George Bush was in office. They give it the 1.5t because they know you really want at least a 2.0t. And if you're a Honda guy, you might just pay 50k for a car that performs like a 20 yo sport compact with fwd.
@@tommyistommy Even more pts I agree with. I tell people all the time, on the Civic Si. 2006 Civic Si, 200hp. 2024 Civic Si, 200hp. 2004 Mustang GT 260hp, 2024 Mustang GT 450hp. The RSX-S would compete head to head against the Mustang GT back in day, when 200hp fwd was really no different than 260whp rwd, since launching from a stop had no issues with low power. 600lbs less weight and 60hp less in the RSX-S put the two cars dead even stock or modded. Then the 300hp but heavier Mustang GT came out for 05, no problem, it got 250lbs heavier too, and the mod potential dropped. Stock vs stock, Mustang was faster, but full boltons, still competing with RSX, and the new 8th gen Si... 6 years later, 2011, it was game over, since Honda did not up the hp on the Civic Si, while the Mustang gained 112hp! and just 100lbs! Imports lost to the competition that very year, and continue to, to this very day. 13years later. The Civic Type-R should be at 400hp, and the integra Type-S should be where it's at at 320hp but about $15k less. Speaking of, and I forgot to mention before, the TLX AWD Type-S V6 twin turbo is just $1500 more than the Integra Type-S. Might as well buy the upgrade for just $1500 more. Lastly, did I mention, and I'm sure you know, that Miatas have always been considered slow in a straight line? Well, the current Civic Si is just as slow as the current Miata, both slow... the Miata has just kept up with the times, and got quicker, but the Si has not. Lets hope it's like 2005 all over again, and the civic si at 160hp (200hp today), and then the next year gets bumped to Integra/RSX Type-S power 200hp (320hp today)... and the Civic Type-R gets bumper to 400hp with AWD... but I seriously doubt that will happen. To me, Toyota is winning this game against Honda. 300hp, AWD, and $38k with dealer markup on the GR Corolla. Only chance I'd look back at Honda is if they made the changes I mentioned.
@@copperkeyracing6167 yeah I've stated a very similar argument many times. Actually a current Miata will SMOKE a Si in a straight line. It's a full second quicker in the 1/4, and it's a Miata! I had a 95 prelude h22a and it was definitely quicker than a 4.6 mustang. Very similar power to a rsx s and 8th gen. I completely agree that the 9th gen was the beginning of the end. Integrated exhaust manifold, strut suspension instead of double wishbones and the worst part- economy VTEC from a CRV instead of intake/exhaust VTEC. The GR Corolla is priced a lot better and it's OK in my eyes. It's not tempting enough to buy but I understand the appeal. The wrx is an even better value but it's a Subaru so it's going to have tons of issues with reliability and build quality. I think manufacturers have thrown in the towel on sport compacts unfortunately. The GR Corolla is cool and all but man compared to the Yaris it's pretty lame. And I hear that rear diff gets hot after a couple canyon runs or laps at the track. That being said, it's the only sport compact id buy!
I love the Camaro but whoa where is the road! I’m not sure I can live with the visibility out the cockpit. I was more interested in the GR Corolla because of snow in winter but you have made me more intrigued with the Honda twins than I ever imagined! Thx
On track you can most likely pretty quickly get used to the limited visibility, everyone is going in the same direction (hopefully lol) and there isn’t a lot of merging going on unless racing wheel to wheel, even then a little rubbin is just racin ;), but on the street driving in traffic the limited sight will always suck. I’ve always wanted to own a Camaro, I’ve had friends with them, always fun and good on track, but I go for a cruise on the street and it’s instant “nope” for me. I have a 911 now, and I love the visibility in the car, but at a lower price for a daily I did look at the GR 86, and the good visibility in that car is a major pro to me. Likewise, the bad visibility in the Supra makes it a nope for me. I’d go with the GR 86 or Corolla any day, great cars to drive on the street.
I think the Type S would do great in the Winter with high sidewall snow tires.The high sidewall is important though for better clearance in snow.
I have a 6th gen Camaro and the visibility is definitely an issue.
I've had it for 6 years and still get stressed out in high traffic situations
I got a ZL1 convertible, perfect visibility.
Don't ignore the Hyundai Elantra N. It may be the car the fits your needs the best. I don't own one, but reviews have praised its combination of performance and versatility, and it cost less than the GR Corolla for which, I believe, dealers are asking more than list price.
I have the RS3 on order, so i would say that is another great option in this price range! Really well rounded, and that 5 cylinder sound track!
Audi RS3
Lexus IS500
BMW M240i X-Drive AWD
so many great options at the $50,000+ price range!
@@SilverScarletSpider Current owner of a M240i xdrive, and yes its a great value!
@@SilverScarletSpiderhe doesnt want to be associated with bmw fans like you anymore
@@SilverScarletSpider
Brand loyalists are so weird 🤨
@@SilverScarletSpider You seemed to be cool in your first comment, but it's apparent that's not the case! I'm going to keep the bimmer as well buddy!
Amazing! I’ve been cross shopping these cars too! I currently have a 2016 VW GTI MT. I’ve never seen another review have the same exact taste as me!! Bravo 🎉
The difference you feel in steering feel between the 6gen and the 4BW is probably due to the tires, Supercar3 have a stiffer sidewall, I own a 4BW and when you put some good 200TW rubber its a much more connected experience.
I track my CT5-V Blackwing and use Cup 2 tires and I also have a GM performance intake option and it has a 10 speed auto. 4 months ago we took a trip to Willow Springs to meet up with my cousin and his family for a track weekend and my fastest lap was a 1:26.141. I've been a hobby track rat for 10 years now and the car just tickles me every time I get in. Cup 2s are a night and day difference on the track and really improve mechanical grip
@@saltyfloridaman7163 great minds think alike, Iive owned many BMWs and been hobby tracking for 7 years like you and am astounded at the Blackwing cars, it feels like they were made for ppl like us. I have desposits put at a few dealers for a 5BW, should get an allocation for 2024 or 2025. Can't wait!
@Driven4fun I bought mine in Emerald Frost exterior, white interior, carbon seats, carbon fiber pack 1 and 2, carbon ceramic brakes, GM performance intake (+14whp), and the dealer had bronze painted magnesium alloy prototype wheels that were originally planned for the car that reduced 24lbs of unsprung mass, which was canceled due to manufacturing delays. I'm the 2nd owner and the previous owner was close friends with the dealership and got ahold of the wheels by reaching out to GM. I ended up paying $118,200 and it was a steal for the price. Only 1,400 miles on the car
The Acura here is like bringing a wet noodle to a sword fight.
I bought my RSX-S brand new over 22years ago, and still have it. The dealership experience was absolutely the worst I have EVER experienced. I almost walked away because of it, but I had been waiting for the 4th gen for about 5 years, so I went ahead. I will never go back, though. The post sale dealership experience was 10 times worse. What I know now, I would never do it again. Regardless, the problem with the integras from before and the integra now, is that the price of the top performance model (GSR or Type-S), was just 15% more than the base model, and compared to the Type-R they sacrificed handling, braking, exterior body enhacements, and extreme hp/torque (8% less power) with the tradeoff of a better interior, more comfortable ride, electronics, and a mandatory sunroof. The car was then 20% cheaper than Type-R, and you could always modify it up to the Type-R level of performance with Type-R parts. Today, it's backward. It's higher or equal performance than the Type-R, has more hp&torque, it's mandatory NO sunroof, costs 61% more than the base model, and costs 14% more than the Type-R. WAAAIIITTTT!!!! WHHAAATTTT!!! This is insane! The Type-R was already pushing the envelope for how much an FWD 4cyl performance car should cost, and now this pushed it higher!!! The Int-S is more than twice the cost of the 4th gen Type-S ($23,170new vs $50,800new). I have owned a total of 6 RSX-S (red, white, blue, silver, and 2 other reds), the original I bought I still own, and I have a turbo'ed one I still own also. I will never buy an Integra Type-S as it's too expensive for what you get, and I also believe the Type-R is too expensive for what you get (used mazdaspeed3s have the same exact recipe, 10years older, and go for 1/4th the price). At that price, it better be RWD, or AWD. GR Corolla has my vote, and it's $17k cheaper with AWD. I could buy a new GR Corolla and two used good condition RSX-Ss for the price of an Int-S.
If price shopping 50k-60k cars, curious why u didnt consider the ZL1 over the SS?
1. BW.
2. Camaro
.
.
.
.
3. Acura...distant 3rd in this type of comparison.
It looks like you were bouncing around a lot more in the ITS compared to the other 2 GM products. Is that the weight difference or the Magna ride? I’ve seen the same pogoing in CTR videos though.
Ct4 v bw has no lift shift, didn’t look like you took advantage of it
That was my thought too, what a waste
I love the comparisons! Keep up the good work man! Been watching since the start!
The Camaro is just a tiny bit under 3700 lbs. CT4V is 200 more and CT5V is 500 lbs more. SS 1LE is the car to get, and can be modified w/ heads, cam and sus to keep up with a ZL1 1LE for $20k or so, no supercharger to deal with. I'm fine with stock power and got it for $39.5k brand new, great deal!
Agree.
The caddy has the same brakes, rear end, mag ride and nearly same suspension as the 1Le. But you can get to 500+ rear wheel horsepower with a tune only.
Bro should be comparing ITS to corolla GR, CTR, and elantra N
In 2016 Motor trend compared BMW M4 VS the Camaro SS, and the performance winner was the 6th gen Camaro. They commented that the V8 on the Camaro was way better than the V6 Biturbo of the Cadillac ATS-V.
Also Road and Track compared a '19 BMW M2 Competition VS a Camaro SS1LE, and the winner was the Camaro.
Not sure about that, as my ATS V picked up ~8.5 mph trap speed in the quarter with a tune only, or about 100 HP. Honestly I would give that up for a factory LT1, LT2 though.
Uhm, the Blackwing is vastly superior to the ATS-V from 2016.
@@layne4376 It's the same motor. And the single biggest BW improvement is the new PS4's. But the Blackwing is also 100 pounds heavier than the ATSV, making the BW actually ~1-2 MPH slower than the V in the quarter mile.
@@tomslawsky4111 The Blackwing destoys the ATSV on Car and Driver's Lightning Lap due to the superior suspension tuning, braking, steering, etc. 1-2 mph in the quarter mile and 5+ seconds quicker per lap. Which means in a 5 lap race, the ATSV would be an enternity behind. Who gives a shit about 1 mph in the quarter when the BW outperforms everywhere else. Which is what I said. By the way, I raced an ATSV the other day and destroyed it in my M340 (stock).
@@layne4376 90% of the improvement is due to better tires. Period. Hard stop. And you don’t care about quarter-mile trap speed yet you had to brag about beating another car in a drag race driving your car in a trim that actually doesn’t exist.
Funny guy.
I paid $43,400 out the door for my 2024 1SS 6MT. There’s no comparison for the money.
The dealer regional market price adjustments at the acura retailers are absolutely deplorable. The useless and pricey carbon fiber added by dealers to the these vehicles even further increases the vehicle price. Due to the limited availability it is likely mark ups will remain the same. At 60K plus it is poor value. The Camaro and the Cadillac represent better value with great thrills and drivability ,
The CT4-V engine sound gets unfairly judged all the time just because its CT5-V and Camaro V8 brothers exist. For me Integra would be last place - I'm sure it's great on track but I don't think FWD 4 cylinder is ultimately very fun on the street, based on when I drove a Type R.
I'll take the caddy over both
I very much appreciate this review because I currently own a 2017 Chevrolet SS (with the manual trans) and I am considering the Type S and the CT4-V Blackwing. My SS would certainly fit the needs of someone needing more practicality than the Camaro, and have much the same sound and handling characteristics of the Camaro, as the engine/trans/suspension are the same (the SS 6.2 is slightly detuned with 415 hp.). I love my SS, but at some point I will need a replacement and drivers cars with manuals are disappearing. The Blackwing can be difficult to find at list price - at least last year all the dealers I spoke to wanted more. So I have been thinking more favorably of the Type S and it ticks all my boxes except I know I would really miss that V8 sound for which there is NO substitute.
Don't do it. I passed on a brand new 2016 SS when they had the 20-25 percent cash back sale and still regret it. They are sought after and fairly simple so should be reliable for a long time. I think they will always command a premium.
Keep the SS. Totally upgradable and has probably already bottomed out on depreciation.
I pretty much have come to the same conclusion. Only thing that would change my mind is if I make a financial killing somehow that would justify getting the Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing. @@danziger69
500-700 lbs of weight difference is enough to sway me from the Cadillac. For daily usability, the Camaro (although awesome in general) is just discarded because of the visibility and interior. I'd take the Type S in that scenario. For weekend toy use, the Camaro is the winner, no contest.
In the Camaro's favor is cooled seats, heated steering wheel, a great sounding Bose sound system and honestly the visibility thing is completely overblown. It's not as good as the other 2 cars, but I adjusted immediately to it and never feel like I can't see out of the car. It's close to a non-issue at least from my experience. What you're left with is an incredibly fun car. All 3 of these cars are amazing.
@@tedwilliams1918 Can't disagree, they are all amazing. I drove a 6th gen RS (V6) 1LE and I had visibility issues on the rear quarter panels and locating the fenders but the car felt amazing in corners and overall its much better than the s550 stangs in general. If it were me id just go straight for a vette though, maybe a c6.
The integra type S looks cool, but it's overpriced and the least bang for your buck. Acura should have included all the luxury features you mentioned at the very least if they wanted it at that price point.
The ct4v blackwing exhaust sounds like a porshe.
The CT4-V blackwing and Camaro should be pretty comparable. While they have different engines the power is similar enough and the chassis is the same, suspension similar.
I do with the 4VB had the LT1 engine or LT2 instead of the TT V6. While the V6 tunes better the LT1/2 sounds better and would just make the car be more fun.
While the ITS handles well, I think these have in most ways, and both will accelerate much better.
Great review, thanks!! Lucky enough to have a 1le as daily and love it! Appreciate how you drove 1le and BW back to back and compared.
This guys opinion is biased. He thinks the integra type s is the best. Put them all on a track and lets seperate facts from feelings. He doesnt even know how to use the ptm modes in the cadillac
@blkwng81 Here you go... and you are correct, very biased and trying to justify his purchase with this click bait comparison.
C&D VIR Grand Course results
2023 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing, 2:54.6
About the steering on ct4 you can change it on the settings cause I noticed you put the steering on low
I don’t know how many would include the Camaro in this mix. It’s a coupe. People shopping for performance 4 door cars have some very specific needs, including family hauling. 4 seat and 4 door is a must. Camaro goes up against the likes of Supra.
Lol, this could be an Integra going against a Ferrari. The type S would be close, NOT.
haven't watched enough of your channel to know this if you've talked about it previously - landed her b/c of your reviews of the new Integra Type S - and I guess my algorithm is guiding me to this content LOL. But, was a Toyota Supra in your comparison of vehicles and why wouldn't it be? I think you mentioned a Mustang GT 5.0 in your new Integra reveal but how would it stack up in your 3 car video review do you think? Same w 3.0 Supra? Curious your thoughts. Great reviews too.
I've driven all 3 cars in stick (own CT4 BW, SS 1LE and rented FL5). Track alignment on both GM cars and tracked both. Here are my thoughts:
FL5 on the canyons with suspension set to sport drives great.
Agree that the SS 1LE is more fun to drive than the BW due to the V8. But the CT4 is way more daily drivable.
Love the quality and features in the CT4 and how easy it is to drive.
Both GM cars are amazing on the track. But the CT4s limited wheel options and smaller sizes hold it back. Camaro, being out longer has a bigger aftermarket and the OEM Goodyears are great. Camaro's longer gears are better on track - never have to shift to 5th as 4th goes to 140.
FL5 has a rough ride in the city, and is easy to scrape the front splitter.
Imo, the FL5 is worth the MSRP but not a mark-up. If the Integra has a better ride, it's worth the premium over the FL5.
Something to consider in the ballpark of these cars is a S550 Mach 1 without the handling pack. Less sharp than the SS 1LE, but more usable and the 5.0 Coyote is more fun to rev out and sounds better. Can be had in the low 50s now with the TR3160.
Where did you rent the fl5 if you don’t mind me asking
@@chrislo2007 Turo in SoCal
@@mechanics718 damn guess NorCal folks aren’t willing to put theirs up. Been eyeing it up here to no avail. Thanks tho
are there any blackwing car clubs in socal? I also own the CT4 BW
I have a ZL1, this should be interesting!
It’s a convertible 6-speed, will put on a rollbar to take it to the track. 650hp is too much for the street.
I have a 16 SS with more power than a ZL1
Sway bars and good tires make a world of difference!
Hilarious. The Acura is not even in the same class as the Blackwing as far as being a driver's car. The Acura does have a nice interior and is better than the Blackwing's base interior.
Definitely made the wrong choice. $60k (for non-UA-cam/influencer buyers) for a fwd Civic is nuts
His money, his choice, its a part of being an adult, buy what YOU want, not what others want. Not everyone wants fastest car for the money, as an adult you have consider other priorities.
@@gw4886He is giving his opinion about the premise of the video. Did he make the right choice? And I agree, he made the wrong choice. For what he paid ($62k,) he could've gotten the Black wing for a bit more. Not only is the Blackwing faster, it is also a capable track car. Also, knowing Zygrene, he will be doing handling mods anyways.
@@jev2867 i got my blackwing built for exactly 62k. You dont really need any extra options from the base model IMO.. Most of them are cosmetic/gimmicky upgrades.
i'm curious for the 52k asked of the integra type s if you feel its still better money spent over 52k into a 981 s . great content as always. cheers.
Make sure you try completely turning off traction control on the ITS when you take it to the track (and, personally, I would for fun drives in the canyons, etc., too). The car will give you a lot more feedback and oversteer. This requires doing the "pedal dance", as the button on the dash only partially disables it.
up up, down down, left right, left right, B, A, select, start. 😅🤣😂
@@racer247you now have 30 lives left, enjoy shooting the bad guys
@@racer247 You missed LT between B and A... so no TC off for you.
3696 is what the Camaro 1le weights. You say 3800.
A 2024 Nismo Z weighs more. 3704.
You seem SO bias for domestic cars. Like almost all of them you say they are heavier than they are.
Like if it's not a Civic or Acura, you say the car weighs more than it does. Interesting that you're so bias.
2017 Camaro SS 1LE weighs 3747 lbs
Congrats on the new car man, I'd choose the type s too !
did you customize your v mode for the sharper steering and stiffer suspension
Nice reveiw the ct4v will leave the Acura the dust on a wide long highway
Thank you for doing a comparison like this! This is basically how I cross shop.
Ss 1LE for 35 to 4o grand???? Where?
There is something to be said for the Integra. You can push it hard on the street and it takes work to go fast, much like a GTI . It isn’t fast enough to bite you, which makes it a lot of fun!
They're all great cars in their own right. However, with prices of the CT4-VBW getting into the high 40's in the used car market. The ITS isn't even an option anymore.
The Acura is outclassed and doesn't belong in this comparison.
The CTV-4 Black wing has no lift shift so you can keep your foot on the gas all the way when you shift up. Much faster than using the clutch & lifting off the throttle pedal.
10th gen Si is currently my dual-purpose car--It has been my entry to HPDE (addicted, hard) and im currently working on slowly ruining it as a street car. I find it super fun modifying things (wheels/tires, springs, BBK so far) as a learning experience and seeing the differences in feel on track at my HPDE days. I plan to keep going down the rabbit hole, but after i ruin it for the street (maybe the suspension 2nd round when do i do track coils?), i will get something else as a daily. Ideally, that next daily will later (after the Si becomes boring) become my track toy some number of years down the line after primarily daily duty. I just dont see a fully-dedicated sports car track toy happening given my family situation, and i think this daily-becomes-toy model is my best bet. So my current question is: ITS or CT4VBW. Id love to see a Zygrene track comparison of those two after you have a chance to get familiar with the ITS for a couple months. FWD is all ive known at this point, so im drawn to the CT4VBW's greener RWD grass. But id love to hear you answer the question: is the RWD CT4VBW RWD experience superior on the track?
💯 would love to see ITS vs CT4VBW track comparison!
The fastest and better handling Sport cars have RWD or AWD
@@jmmch3358I think you mean the better track cars are RWD or AWD... and by track, I mean 1/4mile dragstrip. For daily use, going stop light to stop light, a FWD will always lose... or shred tires and brake axles like nobody's business. It is fun though. That's all I've ever owned, except for a '97 Porsche 911 I owned briefly when I bought my RSX-S new. It's 500whp to the front wheels in an RSX-S that always hurts my tires.
Good luck with heat related issues if you do decide to start adding power. The benefit of an SS 1LE or CT4-V BW is the very high performance limits in stock form and they are designed to be used on track. Example... I've owned an SS 1LE (yes I am biased, but for good reasons) for over 4 years now and have ~8k track miles. The car came with a track warranty which most do not. Mods are Castrol SRF brake fluid and Chevy track alignment.
A typical track day looks like this... get gas, check lug nuts, adjust tire pressures, go real fast, get gas, inflate tires, and drive home. In all of this time, I have had zero issues with the car. Have run several track days with ambient temps over 100 deg... no issues and never opened my hood in between sessions, don't need to when the coolant temp stays at 210 deg all day. Last summer my brother and I double stinted the car with 100deg ambient temps, again with no issues... other than greasy tires. Check my channel for some of my track videos.
www.youtube.com/@FL50ssp/videos
The point to all of this? I didn't have to resort to modifying the car to track it and go fast. The reliability is not compromised and can be driven across the country at a moment's notice without worry. Try that in a modded car... I know because like you I contemplated a similar path and made the mistake of going down that "Rabbit hole". Fortunately, I found a different and for me better approach to a dual purpose street car. Good luck and stay safe on track.
Fenton, what do you think about the CT4-V Blackwing in comparison to the M2C? Is my FOMO for the CT4-V unfounded? I love my M2C, both on track and street, and I've been told I'd be a fool to trade it in on a Blackwing, but that Tremec box and the four-door layout on the Alpha chassis are tempting.
I cross shopped against the m2 comp. The shifter and steering is definitely better. I think engine is about the same maybe slightly better on the beemer. The ride is way better in the blackwing too.
Having said all that- unless you can get out of your m2 comp and into a blackwing for almost nothing I would personally just keep the m2 comp. The m2 comp values right now are great though :)
a lot of people are planning on ditching the m2 for the CT4BW including Thomas from Throttle House they recently did a review with lap times on the caddy.
BMW inline six S55 is far better than Cadillacs turbo v6, but chassis is better on caddy. M2 comp far better looking than caddy. I would take f80 m3 cs over caddy, around same price for used one.
@@Areku06 If you're talking about the S58 I wholeheartedly agree with the far better claim. S55 I agree is better but definitely not "far better"
@@spiketeam1s55 tune only with e85 can run 10s in 1/4 plus it’s reliable power plant. Closed deck inline six with forged internals. Similar to 2JZ. V6 in gm doesn’t have much aftermarket support like s55.
Used CT4 Blackwing or new Integra Type S??? I’m looking at these two options close to me.
I think it is important when talking about the price to include the mark-ups and what exactly you paid. MSRP should no longer be the end all when talking about pricing. At $62k? for the type-S, the Blackwing is a much better proposition at $65k. Unless of course GM dealerships are marking those up as well. Honda and Toyota had been atrocious at Mark-ups across their model line-up. Much more so with something like the ITS and Type-R.
GM markups are not a thing on these cars. I have seen plenty of them at MSRP. And with these not moving, just like the ATSV, they end up going for under MSRP after a year or so.
@@chrisewry4225 Sadly.
I could see myself getting an ITS even though I think it’s $5K too expensive and I dislike the seats. It does check a lot of boxes.
Hopefully you can drive a latest-gen RS3 at some point. I have an ‘23 and expected to like it but I’ve been really impressed.
what u mean you have a 23 what? Im really hoping for a latest gen RS3 similar comparison
@@xmunitrader I have a 2023 RS3 but don't have experience driving many of these other cars, so a comparison would be cool
How long did it take to get yours? I've already been waiting about a year for mine in the US 🇺🇸
@@germanengineering204 over a year, also in the US. It's worth the wait
@@grahmdoughty Thank you for getting back to me! I will continue to wait!👍
I watched this only for the humor and cringy bias, and it did not disappoint. Seriously, comparing a Japanese econobox with lipstick, against 2 cars that were quite literally, bred for the race track?
Of course you made a mistake! You just couldn’t afford the CT4 or a newer Camaro. The shocking part is that anyone in their right mind would pay $51k for what’s just a Honda Civic with some trim bits. 😂
holds nurburgring record and this guy owns a nsx? so he isnt broke and the integra is probably more track bred than the other two
@@30hours51 how many true race cars are FWD architecture? None? (Mic drop)
Japanese econobox with lipstick. 🙂
@@haredr6511how many true race cars weigh 3800lb?
@@30hours51 CT4-V BW, CT5-V BW, M3, M4, RS5, Camaro ZL1, Alpha Giulia, etc. All cars designed ground-up for track duty, and all commonly raced. Zero FWD. For anyone that understands even the most basic elements of vehicle dynamics and powertrain function, FWD is nothing more than a way to make a car lighter, cheaper, and more economical, all at the expense of performance and aesthetics.
@@haredr6511sure, but civic type R is a developed from the ground up fwd track car that has solid lap records all over the road and is willing to challenge it's awd and rwd competitions... and win. Also, most cars you listed for $10-30k more expensive than a civic type R, at a price level of a M3/M4 I am getting a Cayman S instantly. It's not about what wheel drive, it's about how it makes you feel, Type R is certainly more fun than half the car you listed, but thats just me.
Also you should watch old touring car races where there's fwd vs rwd, you talk shit about fwd, u just never seen or driven one properly.
Also I am unbiased, I only owned rwd cars
Interested in your thoughts on a 1le vs a c6 grand sports. Would be a nice comparison video!
Or better yet, 6th gen Camaro ZL1 or SS1LE VS C7 Corvette Grand Sport
The Acura is way out of its league here. Plus $52K for a 4 cylinder...pass. For a daily, a non-1LE SS would be the way to go. Now if you can afford a CT5-V Blackwing...that's the way to go.
Torque steer and no engine sound for the Acura and you have to keep it above 3500rpm? Doesn't even rev as high as the Camaro? I hate to say it as you do good reviews, but you made the wrong choice.
I stand by my other comment that you made the right choice with the Type S. I love my SS 1LE, but it’s my weekend car. Btw, you hit the nail on the head about the engine choice in the Cadillac. Would’ve been so awesome if they put the Camaro’s V8 in there. I remember Cammisa and Johnny Lieberman made a similar comment about the ATS-V during a comparison of the Camaro and the M4. Camaro won that comparison btw.
The LT1 also weighs 24lbs less than the V6 and has a broader torque band, which would've improved handling slightly and improved acceleration despite peak power being slightly less than the V6. A GM performance intake adds 11hp though, so that would nearly even out power differences. My gripe with the Blackwings is that they should've gone with slightly wider fenders to allow a 275w front tire and 325w rear tire for a more planted platform. I own a CT5-V Blackwing and the PS4s are great, but after changing to Cup 2 tires it made me realize how much track performance you sacrifice by running PS4s
@@saltyfloridaman7163 All good points. Thinking about running PS4s on my SS 1LE. Have them on my Golf R and they’re great. OEM tires on the Camaro are grippier but wear out quickly. Will probably come down to prices when it’s time for new tires.
@@saltyfloridaman7163 What you didn't mention is the LF4 TTV6 sits further behind the front axel center line. And is nearly a front mid-engine configuration. Making the LF4 front end better than the V8 Alpha platform cars (even with narrower tires). I own both (LF4 and SS 1LE) and you can feel the difference of the extra weight over the front. Agree on the fenders/wider tires. However, I'll keep the LF4 thank you. As for power/power band... a simple tune does wonders for the LF4, with some claiming ~100HP/TQ. That easily addresses power band differences.
@@FL50sspwhat's the reliability of the lf4? I'm shopping for either the Camaro or the BW but trying to pick the right one. I like them both, leaning towards the BW cause it can be tuned for big power gains.
@@k9gamerz145 LF4 is a good engine, hand assembled in one of the Scandanavian countries and shipped to US for installation. ATS-V and BW engines are very similar and share a lot of components, so not going to be large differences between them. I really like my ATS-V and would choose it over the BW... but YMMV.
Camaro (SS 1LE) is a track weapon and punches well above its weight. Lots of fun on the track, street driving can become frustrating knowing how good the car is but unable to exploit the performance potential on the street. As for which to choose, that will depend on your use case.
For me it is simple. Track toy... SS 1LE. All other use cases = BW, or in my case ATS-V. They are both fantastic cars that are very good at what they were intended for. Very fortunate to be able to own and experience both of these cars. And puts into perspective why they both exist. Too bad most folks bypass these and end up badge hunting instead. Good luck with your purchase decision!
idk my shit feels boosty as hell when I start to roll through the gears, not laggy but boosty tho
I really want to see the ITS vs CT4VBW track comparison after you get a chance to get familiar with the ITS on track. Specifically, does FWD really fully satisfy on track? Super pumped to follow this channel!
the Integra will get destroyed lol its already been shown. Here you go lap times are at the end of this review: ua-cam.com/video/qHkITV_QZ9w/v-deo.html
@@GeronimoBiggles ah yes, I forgot about the TH data, thanks! I guess my going-in assumption is that the CT4VBW definitely has higher performance overhead. But if I'm looking for fun/satisfaction/enjoyment as opposed to outright laptime, I could see a 600lb advantage to the ITS being potentially significant. Hard to tell exactly how reliability/parts will play out for the BW (it probably needs comparatively less fiddling rolling off the lot...), but you know there will be all sorts of 3rd party stuff available for the ITS because of the FK8/FL5. But I suspect the nail in the coffin of the ITS is going to be the heat--the FK8 community is still working to solve that (dual oil coolers, aux water radiators, its intense)
@@st4xor i get what you mean. i started my fun car journey with a WRX and although it was really fun in the twisties you will realistically spend most of your driving time on straight roads. And I'm definitely over 4 bangers they just don't have any low end torque especially when you have other people in the car or the AC is on they just struggle to move... As far as maintenance goes I'm sure Acuras arent as cheap as you think and GM is a very huge company. If you get either one of these cars you gotta be prepared to spend money at least they arent German tho.
@@st4xor also there are already a couple tunes w/bolt-ons for the ct4 that will quickly get you close to 600hp. A full pro shop upgrade can get you around 900hp
i thought the same about the 4VBW utilizing a v8 until I noticed in forums the easy cheap gains on mods on the LF4 and its capability.
I had an ATSV and it made 520RWHP with a downpipe and tune on 93oct. Absolute beast to drive. Best I ran was a 10.7@131 with octane booster and 17" DR.
Granted this review was a year ago, but how is a $53k sports car only has 320hp, 310 tq, FWD, >5 sec to 60, and is considered better than a BW or 1LE. My '16 Focus RS has more power, AWD, and still worth the MSRP I paid for it in '16 ~$35k. Probably a lot more fun too. I wouldn't (personally) go for the Integra. Both the BW and 1LE are great cars depending on the type of driver. If I had to choose, I would choose a BW over the 1LE just because I prefer having a reasonable backseat and good visibility (through the windows). I live near Dallas, TX now and you have to be extremely aware of the other drivers here. They are terrible...and I'm from Chicago! Looking at getting a BW in the near future before they are gone forever.
These are always extremely subjective.
The chassis on the BW is second to none which is why a lot of track goers would opt for the BW over something like the new G80 M3.
He kept comparing the CT4 to the Camaro. Is he not aware of the CT5 BW?
I had all 3 of these cars as well as the M3 and the IS500 on my list of cars to buy and ended up going with the CT4 BW.
Dude is trying to justify his purchase the whole way 😂
Would you still recommend the BW over the Camaro? I'm torn on the two. I know I can snag a Camaro for less but I actually like the turbo 6 and the more BMW vibe of the Caddy over the muscle. Both look fun. 😐
@@k9gamerz145 You can't go wrong with either of these. SS 1LE is an awesome sports car and really delivers a performance first experience vs CT4 BW. By the way, I own a 2109 SS 1LE and 2019 ATS-V cpe. And yes BW is updated with Alpha II and interior...etc, but general characteristics are very similar. That said, if you want performance and luxury with refinement at a reasonable price the CT4 BW is without peer. Anyone that tells you the interior is crap...etc. Is trying to justify the ~15k to +40k price difference they paid for less overall performance. Sort of like this guy here with his ITS is better than SS 1LE and BW. Sure it is buddy.
@@FL50ssp thanks! Yes I'm currently on an allocation list for a yellow ct4v blackwing. Pretty excited. Mine MSRP for 67k. I just got the upgraded seats, steering wheel, and yellow paint. Hopefully they don't try to mark it up when I order it. I prefer the Caddy for the sedan look and luxury. But, the SS 1le is probably the best performance per dollar out there! I cant justify dropping 50k+ on a four banger. Nothing wrong with them but they shouldn't be that expensive.
@@k9gamerz145 Congrats and you picked the better car... ITS doesn't belong here and is not a BW competitor.
@@k9gamerz145Caddy hands down as a daily and a track car. Really want to go faster in a straight line? Get a JB4.
Integras alot slower then both chevys
If $ were no object I’m picking the Cadillac… if it were my choice based on all perimeters not sure how you can pick against the Camaro. Last gen Camaros are almost perfect cars
IMO, There is no replacement for displacement, and there is no alternative to RWD.
I have a K20C...its fine. Mine is tuned up to 25 PSI and 370lbft. But in FWD...its so traction limited and so limiting to drive. Its "shocking" that it puts any power down at all, but still its HALF the power to the wheels compared to the other two, so you are balancing it out.
The BRZ/86 is 100hp away from decimating any car on the road, and if rumors are true and its getting the GR Corolla's 1.6 turbo, I don't think there will be anything as fun as that for the foreseeable future.
They put a 1.6 in a BRZ and that will be the first car I've ever ordered.
Sounds like you're trying to say that the Camaro is the better car, but you already bought the Int-S so you are just going to say you got what you paid for and the Camaro is a bargain, vs you got ripped off and the Camaro you get what you paid for. Fact is, there are better cars for the money, used or new. Especially in the used market. You aren't getting anything more special by buying new.
Ct4 is the best car of that bunch by far. Best on track , best daily . Best looking imo
The 1le for the money punches in ranges that both of those cars will never reach
Choice is very simple, go with the lightest car. Doesn't matter if it's rwd or fwd.
There's no artificial sign being piped through the speakers. Dude, you have to put the car in sport mode and drive it. Then it opens up the battles and then a pops and burbles, and all kinds of crazy good sounds.
Why on good earth are you comparing that Integra to the others? You are not cross shipping with that and those two.
You turned off auto rev match on the Camero. Then the Cadillac review has me confused 🤔
The SS 1LE costs 51000 dollars new, without other options. Personally, I feel that owning any of these cars would be a lot of fun, but I expect the Acura to cost less to own. So, I drive a Pearl Red ITS.
You’ve actually been able to get the Camaro SS 1LE with the 10-speed automatic gearbox as an option for past couple years now. Sacrilege, that’d be my personal preference, because it’s faster, everywhere! On a different subject, someone installed the Civic Type R’s adaptive damper ECU on their Integra Type S, and it added an additional mode, or something. I can no longer find the video on UA-cam for some reason. Evidently, the dampers are the same, & the software controlling them is slightly different.
True, I get where you coming from but FASTER doesn't always mean BETTER. Regarding the CTR though, I am interested in that as well.
@@BLUPRINT1LEI always get a chuckle with, "Faster doesn't always mean better." What exactly does that mean? The OP obviously said faster everywhere. Meaning not just on power and straightline.
@@jev2867 I have both so I know. A8 and Manual. So I can speak to all scenarios. Autos and Manuals fit different applications. Autos are faster if you trying to drag race,roll race or whatever if we want to focus on that aspect however since we are talking about 1LE’s which is a track (road course) focused car right? Which GM intended the car usage for instead of the above, the manuals are better because they produce less heat than auto counterparts, and the driver can be in the right gear when they see a corner approaching Vs letting the car try to find the right gear based on how hard the being driven. Don’t get me wrong I can go either way it’s just what the car is being used for. Plus we talking about GM A10 it’s not like we talking about a Porsche PDK that’s like creme of the crop
@@BLUPRINT1LE So, the auto is not faster "EVERYWHERE" like the OP stated? You could've simply just said that instead of, "Faster is not always better." And again, he said it's faster everywhere. If the goal is to go faster (lower times) on the track, then it is better. If better to you means, the manual can take better abuse but slower around a track, well, that is your interpretation. Being on the right gear means nothing if you are still slower around a track.
@@jev2867 define everywhere? Has the OP proved he did it everywhere?
Ok I know I’ve seen that very Blackwing on the road because it had that plate…. Is this in the Bay Area?
@Zygrene Could you do a comparison or review of the Giulia Veloce or Estrema 2.0T? Costs and weighs around the same as the ITS but with a 50/50 weight distribution and RWD. With that said you can get them below MSRP unlike the ITS.
If I can get my hands on them!
@@Zygreneif you do make sure it has the LSD. Otherwise it's no better than any other german sedan. TCS is undefeatable unless you get the QV or mod it in.
If resale and reliability matter at all to you, then the Integra is the best choice. If cheap trackable performance is the only goal, cost of consumables and unscheduled repairs matter not, then the Camaro is the best choice. I suppose if you want a manual RWD sedan the choices are few and far between and the Cadillac is probably going to be a cheap pickup on the slightly used market, just go ahead and lube up to prepare for repair costs.
I honestly think in terms of resale value the Camaro might have the integra beat. Look at old Chevrolet ss for example. Once discontinued gm cars shoot up in value.
I would think the Acura, caddy or Camaro would hold their value all equally well!
My Elantra puts 40g smile everyday ! Yes I caved and paid mark up and even then I pushed the budget to the limit so whatever you decide on affordability reigns king. aftermarket’s mods are out there with 400 hp capabilities
I'm not going to shit on any of these cars, they're all amazing. But the Camaro is built like a tank from my experience and from what i've read. I think it will hold up for a long long time. The jury is out on high boost 4 or 6 cylinder motors. Maybe the Acura can endure track duty year after year with no issues, but if I had to bet my own money; the V8 will outlive the other 2.
F80 M3 is a lot more spacious and more luxurious than the CT4-V BW but is 300 lb lighter. The 2 cars have a similar performance envelope with the Caddy having a better dialed in chassis. Another commenter mentioned parts availability for the limited run GM cars which is probably on point, and let’s not forget that the BMW has a vastly more extensive aftermarket. I considered trading in our 2018 M3 for the Caddy or the ITS but in the end decided against it…finding one of those cars is not trivial at this time, but even then every time I look at or step into the Bimmer, I’m like “how could I ever let go of this wonderful car?”
IT-S 😍, you made the right choice!
The engineers at cadillac is definitely on to something I have a Ats-v and it is awesome! The power curve and tq is great and I don't know what you are talking about mine Handel's beautifully! The camaro and the cadillac is on the same Alpha platform
Excellent and very well detailed review. Thank you!