JOIN our Locals community to hear *Andrew* answer audience questions. CLICK the link: triggernometry.locals.com/ CHAPTERS👇 00:00 Introduction 01:30 Churchill’s Birth & Early Life 06:07 The Values of a Victorian 10:20 How Successful Was Churchill in the Military? 16:25 Churchill During the First World War 24:29 Sponsor Message: Galaxy Projector 26:00 Did Churchill Believe Britain Was Becoming Weak? 30:56 Churchill’s Post-1918 Political Career 33:49 What Caused the Decline of the British Empire? 36:48 Churchill in the Early 1930s 43:07 Do We Remember Neville Chamberlain Unfairly? 52:21 How Close Britain Was to Defeat 54:22 Churchill’s Strength & Success in Government Roles 57:47 Sponsor Message: Factor 59:30 How Churchill Turned the Situation Around 1:04:22 America’s Involvement in the Conflict 1:11:00 Was Churchill Actually an Alcoholic? 1:15:57 The Moral Debates Going on During the War 1:19:57 When Did Britain Learn About Concentration Camps? 1:21:27 What Ended the Nazi Regime? 1:23:54 Sponsor Message: GiveSendGo 1:25:10 Churchill’s Deal With Stalin 1:32:06 What Churchill Thought of Hitler 1:38:54 How Churchill’s Views Would be Seen Today 1:43:21 What Can We Learn From Winston Churchill? 1:46:02 Are There Parallels Between Then & Now? 1:50:05 How to Frame the Discussion Around the British Empire 1:53:02 How Did Churchill See Through the Nazis Before Anyone Else?
I had a question ,Churchill might foreseen the arab problems in the land of Israel, why he took the Solomon's wisdom to deal with ? the baby would be cut in two, each woman to receive half ? or ,it was T.E Lawrence idea ?
Hallelujah. At Triggernometry we don’t pretend to be the experts, we ask the experts. Andrew Roberts clearly is this. So refreshing to listen to. A welcome change.
Andrew roberts is a member of parliament, so he can't say bad things about the war crimes of dresden. The allies literally bombed a city off the map. Just like Israel is doing to north gaza. And you know what? Andrew roberts gets money from Jewish donors, so he can't call Israel's dresden like war crimes against Gaza, war crimes. Andrew roberts lied to you about a historical fact because he gets donor money for his political campaign today.
Churchill said “The British blockade treated the whole of Germany as if it were a beleaguered fortress, and avowedly sought to starve the whole population-men, women and children, old and young, wounded and sound-into submission.”
Please can we have more interviews of this calibre? To hear a long form interview with an articulate expert is a rare treat. I felt nostalgic for my youth when BBC2 could be relied on to broadcast intelligent discussion like this. It says something about Britain today (and the BBC in particular) that we all have to use UA-cam to hear civilised and well-evidenced discussion.
“You have to see people in their own time.” Absolutely right. As L.P Hartley said in The Go-Between: “The past is a foreign country, they do things differently there”.
Applause for Andrew Roberts! The knowledge he was able to convey so eloquently and in a way that kept me enthralled this entire video! I’d love to hear him speak more on history, not only about the tremendously interesting figure Winston Churchill. Thank you for this fantastic guest! 👏👏👏
What about South Africa? My father joined up with the South African Air Force the day war was declared and Jan Smuts joined the Allied forces. Quite an oversight by Robert unfortunately
@@gandydancer9710 I'm guessing its a reference to the fact that Andrew didn't specifically mention the South African (and Rhodesian) contribution to WW2 when he was discussing the involvement of various parts of the British Empire (ie Canada, Australia, New Zealand and India)?
@@oldfella3919 I have only a vague memory of Cooper listing Empire/Commonwealth resources, but providing a complete list was beside the point, which was that they existed. "What about ME!" seems a rather juvenile response.
This is an absolutely outstanding history lesson on WW2. Francis and Konstantin can take great pride in arranging this interview. I'm astonished and disappointed but not surprised by the observation that Britain's students are not educated about WW2. The benefits of living in the West are almost entirely dependant on the courage and bravery of the likes of Churchill and the ordinary Tommy soldier in the field. The younger generation should take a lesson in moral fortitude if they wish to continue to enjoy the benefits of life in the West.
Too late we've already given the West away. Democracy means the lowest denominator rules because they literally too stupid to know what's good for them and so are easily conned.
And that’s your problem, you just concentrate on Churchill and WW2. How much do yiu know about his double dealing, Ireland, India, Iran, the Middle East ???
So much of the problem in modern Western countries is that it is very true that our current leadership just completely lacks that wisdom that historians like Andrew Roberts can lend them. It is embarrassing to see how often our leaders are just plainly stupid, and the products of our appalling "education" system. We dismiss our past at our own peril and are headed for terrible times because of this. 🤷♂
My favorite saying of all time. "Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it." Just imagine the quality of leader that we will have in 20 or 30 yrs on our current trajectory... I dread the thought.
Thank you. I'm cycling to Paris in June to commemorate DDAY +80 years. This is a charity ride to raise funds for Help For Heroes. All of the freedoms we have enjoyed since the end of the war are because of the great sacrifice and bravery of the previous generations.
It's always been a dream of mine to visit the beaches of Normandy. I hope one day I can make it. My grandfather fought the nazis in Italy, and other fronts. We need to be more like our grandfathers.
So lovely to be hearing an interesting and positive account of this nation’s history and Churchill, one of the greatest Britons of all time. Thank you.
@@buildmotosykletist1987 when the woke traitorous outfit that the bbc is now, sought the greatest Briton, I voted for Winston Churchill and was ecstatic when he was voted the greatest ever briton. Sadly the bubble dwelling traitors that I mentioned above, wouldnt even list him now
Such a fascinating conversation! I can't get enough of listening British historians! And Brits should be so proud of their heritage and contribution to this planet! It's so sad to see what is currently going on with a part of the people...
Yes a lot of the public are a seething cauldron of anger thanks to years of grooming gangs, mass immigration, 2-tier justice, cultural denigration and the rewriting of our very history
I was educated - tolerably well - in the English state system in the 1970s and 80s. I was awarded an A grade in A level history but at no point in the various syllabuses was Churchill mentioned. Despite this, I always knew, and still know, quite a lot about Churchill from my own reading and general knowledge. This probably began with being taken to see the film 'Young Winston' circa 1973.
I was at school in Australia in the same period. History was still taught properly. However we were taught virtually nothing about the second world war, probably because our parents and grandparents lived through it. And the Vietnam War was never mentioned, because as children we had lived through it, and it hadn't long ended.
@@grannyannie2948we had a few veteran teachers when I was at school in the 70/80s, headmaster at middle school was a former spitfire pilot, one ex DLI Burmha vet, an ex jap POW, they told us some interesting dits during some lessons and quiet periods.
Roberts is an absolute gentleman scholar. His debate on Intelligence Squared years ago (the one of if Napoleon should be called great) demonstrated Roberts is both an expert speaker, but also equally magnanimous in defeat (he lost the debate). It's an honor to listen and learn from him.
Staggeringly good interviewee perfectly interviewed with respect, rapt attention and intelligent questioning. A real milestone from Triggernometry which goes from strength to strength as a media organisation.This is something the BBC once would have been proud to produce.
I could listen to Lord Roberts of Belgravia all day long. Is there a better more articulate and knowledgeable historian? And what a fabulous calming voice too. Tip top interview.
@@murkartik He would get cancelled in totalitarian Britain if he didn't. Churchill would be turning in his grave about how the UK fell to Marxism. He is a good historian but lacks the moral courage to tell the truth about what is happening now.
«No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…» - Winston S. Churchill, 11 November 1947
The sad thing is that his "Never Surrender" speech was recorded at Chartwell in 1947, and not in the House. However, the words are the same ones he used in his speech in late May 1940.
Thank you for having Andrew Roberts on! The dragging through the mud of Churchill by activists is disgusting. Any sensible person without an agenda knows no one is perfect and judging someone in the past on ‘modern day views’ is stupid. It’s time to bring back the teaching and be unashamed about one of the greatest Britons.
Andrew recommended it but I can’t stress enough how good of a book ‘My Early Life’ is by Winston Churchill. One of the most enjoyable reading experiences I’ve ever had. Churchill’s humour and writing style is unmatched.
"Andrew" most certainly does NOT include nearly everything at all ! He has omitted an encyclopedias worth of important events, political, military, Secrets War, personal financial woes. His deal with one of the Worlds wealthiest men to harass Hitler, refute Hitler and prevent any agreements with Hitler under any circumstances. And on a personal level, even Winston trying to drown a close relative in the Blenheim Palace lake, by beating the child repeatedly over the head with a paddle from the rowing boat Winston, as a child himself, was in !!
@@maninabush8449 Agreed. The man who lost the British Empire by not coming to terms with Hitler in 1940. His intent in 1940 was a million miles from the outcome by 1945, a failed to get what he set out for massively.
Wish more european leaders had his clarity :"Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world,"
@@timthetiny7538 ...Like the collapse of the Western culture and the introduction of marxism and DEI as the new religion? our survival instincts are dead and our cultural immune system is all but entirely collapsed.
Saved us from what? Germany didn’t declare war on us, we declared war on her, Hitler didn’t want war with us, Churchill was a monster who led us into a disastrous war that we could snd should have avoided, the man was a war criminal.
I'm reminded of "if you don't make mistakes you don't make anything"; which I first heard when learning to build boats and ships. The trick is, which many people never grasp, is to have the courage to review objectively one's mistakes and learn from them. Churchill understood this and so makes an excellent role model.
I can highly recommend The History of WW2 podcast by Ray Harris Jnr. He devotes a lot of time to Churchill, effectively telling his life story up to 1939. Also does the same with Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin. Brilliant stuff.
Really great interview with such an inspiring historian. Kk and Francis I could see were so enjoying this interview , absorbing all the amazing well rounded information. I was so impressed by the honesty of this historian. He didn’t paper over the cracks . David Starkeys account of Churchills ancestor Marlborough is so worth watching. A really amazing strategist . My Dad served as a para and he loved Churchill.
Yes but was he stalling or was he just trying to avoid war at all costs? If memory serves, he did serve in the cabinet during the war and was highly thought of by WSC
@@xn85d2So many people like to suppose what he thought - as if he never kept a diary or told anyone, such is the failure of historians to relate his affairs
He marched millions of British catholics to their death to gain favour with the Jewish bankers, who went on to set up the state of Israel that has been a curse on Europe since we involved ourselves in it.
Churchill marched millions of Catholic family men to their deaths to appease the bankers of a certain religion, who after the war, created a certain state, that has been breaking Europe since its conception in the 1940's. I say "certain" because moments ago I posted this comment but it was immediately removed because I named them.
Twice I've posted a comment explaining why your wrong, and twice its been deleted instantly... I'm sure you've had the notifications that I've commented twice already... interesting that they're being deleted
An astute observation. As a boy I used to dip into the many volumes of Churchill's History of the 2nd World War on my parents' shelves, incredible to think he was a PM and such a prolific author. And letter-writer. And watercolourist....
A righteous war that we absolutely HAD to win. Lost my Grandfather in a Royal Navy motor torpedo boat… defending our southern coast…. Did my duty in the Royal Marines. Bring back national service.
Churchhill was the best leader the British have ever had! Thank you so much for this wonderful video. So sad, these youngsters aren't taught about this wonderful leader.
Churchill was an excellent war leader but not the guy you want to build a more equal society that’s why he lost post war election. Why can’t we respect what he achieved when he was needed but acknowledge he wasn’t a perfect human which lets face it few are. He was a man of his generation and his class.
@@elkpaz560 Men like my grandad who landed on the beaches and liberated the camps knew what they wanted for their children after the war and that’s why he didn’t get their votes .
I'm no British, but it's always confused me why having fought so hard, and lost so many fighting national socialism, the British turned around and voted for it at the first opportunity.
@@grannyannie2948 this is why having an aristocracy can be 'better' than the morally superior equality and democracy. most people are dumb and ignorant and short-sighted. so few even have a lay understanding of anything that should be relevant to the survival of the country, never mind a deeper understanding. how could they possibly make good decisions? aristocrats are not any more moral on average (I would guess) but at least almost all of them have long term investment in the country they are part of. they had superior education and training and were brought up around decision making and politicking and so on. in general they would just perform better at this
@@manfrombritain6816 As an Australian I agree entirely. Plato concluded thousands of years ago that a king is superior to a bad democratically elected government. To remove a bad king you only need to remove one man and his followers. I'm currently reading about Henrietta Maria and the Glorious Revolution, when this occurred in fairly recent times. To overthrow an elected government, you are fighting at least half the country that voted it in.
Where would we be now without Churchill’s courage and steadfastness in 1939? He wasn’t perfect but he was probably our greatest genuine hero since Nelson. We should be grateful to him.
As an American, I can tell you he was greatly respected, and admired. He was the right man for the job, never a thought of surrender. He loved his nation...
If there was no churchill, the British empire would have fought on without Churchill and the USA and russia would still have worked together to annihilate nazis. Just google the factory production of tanks and aircraft, and you will see.
Brilliant. This is one of the most interesting and inciteful interviews you have done. Andrew Roberts was so clear and knowledgeable. At first I shocked it was 2hrs long but the time passed so quickly and I was riveted all the way through. Thank you.
Apparently some _Zoomer Historian_ thinks he wasn't that great... I beg to differ; Though it wasn't great to be an Irishman during the 1920s under his authority, he DID lead Britain to achieve proper operating status during the later part of WWII, his strategies and mentallity as PM was what kept the British in the fight and helped them pull through to the end. He deserves every bit of praise the countrymen of the U.K. proclaim of him.
I beg to differ, the man was a monster, a warmonger who led this country to disaster getting involved in a cataclysmic is war we didn’t need to fight, the man was a war criminal.
@DavidSmith-fs5qj Neville Chamberlain was British PM at the start of WW2. He declared war on Germany after they invaded Poland. You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Who exactly did he lead to war, considering the war had already started?
I didn’t say that Churchill declared war, he pushed us to war, a war that cost us hundreds of thousands dead, cost us an empire and laid the foundations of the mess we are in today, it is you who hasn’t got a clue what you are talking about.
Im an American and I absolutely love Churchill. It may sound crazy but i listen to his Never Surrender speech often, especially now because of all the craziness going on here and across the world. I absolutely adore that great man. Hes the first person I think of when I hear or read about England.
Thank You Mr Roberts. You have spoken very clearly and informatively on a huge range of topics about Churchill and also related to Churchill regarding the several wars, particularly WWII and Adolf Hitler. I judge this as one of the better two hours I've wasted on any particular youtube video. Please continue doing the same thing you are doing.
He undersells the Canadians contributions to the war effort. Britain had entered the war with 80,000 military vehicles of all types; however, 75,000 of these British vehicles were left behind in the evacuation at Dunkirk in 1940. Virtually defenceless on the ground, Britain turned to Canada. Canadian industry produced more than 800,000 military transport vehicles, 50,000 tanks, 40,000 field, naval, and anti-aircraft guns, and 1,700,000 small arms. The Germans referred to Canadians as 'shock troops'.
Canadia's biggest contribution was to have the largest unit in Britain (1st Canadian Division) during the Battle of Britain - they didn't arrive early enough to get sent to France. And of course to play a major role in the U-boat war.
He also insulted all Indians by saying 'they breed like rabbits' when they were dieing of famine and 1937, Churchill stated that: I do not admit ... for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.
Can you imagine any politician doing that now? No, indeed not, Churchill had more courage all the politicians in the western world put together in the last 50 years.
A truly GREAT man who made the most difficult decisions in modern times with honor, dignity and the resilience and determination of the world's greatest ever nation. God save the King.
Just one point about the Dardenelles. It was very close to coming off. The Turkish leaders actually fled Istanbul. Only the inaction of the Naval commander, and Kitchener refusing to reinforce quickly from Egypt prevented it from coming off with barely a shot being fired. The mistake was letting the Turks regroup and not withdrawing sooner. Also, the whole cabinet agreed to the plan but only Churchill fell on his sword for it. Im surprised Andrew does not mention these facts.
What a fascinating history lesson about Winston Churchill. I didn't learn any of this in my history lessons at school. I have been inspired by this conversation to read some of Andrew's books, and maybe some by Churchill too.
Excellent phrase …as patient endurance is definitely a much needed quality and the best way to see through any difficulty…not escape through various diversions which give a temporary high to be followed by a low…
Brilliant guys. Well done. What an inspiring person Churchill was. I was lucky enough to study him at school. If only we had politicians with his experience and wisdom. I'm going to get Andrews book.
The most depressing thing here is that almost nothing is taught about him in schools, as this would require context and an understanding that he lived in a time of very different values. As history is now taught as a left wing morality to play it isn’t possible to use Churchill.
It's now up to parents, we must teach our children ourselves. My son will learn about Churchill and all the brave men who sacrificed so much for us. Including both my grandfathers.
I learned a lot about him in school though I'm now in my late 60s and high school for me was the early 1970s. My high school math teacher was a Mackenzie-Papineau (International Brigade) man in Spain and my history teacher was Army Intelligence. (Of course my Physics teacher was from Germany and had been an 11 year old Hitler Youth in 1945) That combo ensured I learned much about WW2!
Great interview. I have read several of Andrew Roberts' books, and his single-volume biography of Sir Winston is superb. His books about Wellington and Napoleon are also very good, in my view. Churchill was a flawed person (spoiler alert: we all are) and a great man. His life has many lessons for us. And Roberts is so right in saying he should be judged by the values of his time.
An incredibly uplifting story so well laid out by Andrew Roberts whose knowledge is copious and enthusiasm is infectious. Ably steered by the trigger guys. Where would we be now but for Churchill! Get real, naysayers!
Obama who was such an "outstanding world leader" had the bust of Churchill removed from the White House. This is very telling and only adds to my disdain for most of our modern "statesmen".
Your clueless, Obama the village idiot. The child grooming LGBTQ gender fluidity absurdities village idiot was an outstanding world leader in your mind? His gender fluidity absurdities fundamentally changed America into Sodom and Gomorrah on steroids. Which will soon be the end of America if GOD doesn't shed HIS grace and mercy on us. I remember I told my co-workers that if we elected Obama, America deserved whatever happened to us. Well we will soon pay a heavy price for it.
When you say outstanding world leader, that is sarcasm right? Obama's greatest and only legacy will be the first black American president. I was glad he was elected but I had little hope it would be successful. And unfortunately I was right.
@@dennisddd8243 I told my co-workers that if the American people elected him we deserved what we got. Well we deserve everything that's going on to this day. We all know it's Obama running this clown show today. The leftist stole the American presidential election from the American people,and you better believe he's going to do it again if possible. He knows he can get away with it.
From the US here: but I think the British Empire was a good thing for the world. Nobody likes being colonized, but there was a lot of knowledge, culture, and technology transfer, the building up of infrastructure, international trade, and political alliances. And, in the end, they withdrew reasonably gracefully.
Yes the Brit Empire was the most civilizing event since Rome. The Suez Canal the industrial revolution Steam power & rail travel. the School system spread under the Empire. Stopping Slavery & human sacrifice were all good things initiated by the Empire... naturally eggs were cracked to make custard 🍮
@@otisarmyalso I'm in Australia which was a convict colony. We were one of the earliest places to realise that boy prisoners should be separated from adult male prisoners, and reformed not punished. They went to school and studied an apprenticeship, they had about 15 to choose from. The idea being the boys could all move on to respectable, crime free lives. What I particularly liked was that every week day they had hours devoted to play, including all day Saturday.
I got to know a WWII veteran very well in my first job, for some reason he took to me and shared a few stories, which was suprising coz he was reserved and didnt suffer fools easily and I at 16 was just about the most the most conceited arrogant idiot you could imagine, But i watched people and liked their stories. He showed me his his blighty wound that got him sent home and probably saved his life. He told me of the bulldozer driver who advanced up the normandy beach when everyone was pinned down, and never got a mention. He also told me how Churchill was just walking around a few days after D-Day observing the front with rounds landing all around him and everyone was hugging the ground. Conversly my granddad was regular army and survived the war from '39 to '45. He hated Churchill, called him a warmonger and a toff.
No disrespect to your grandfather but the fact that he hated him and called him a warmonger just shows a level of ignorance which was probably the norm amongst the rank and file. Not that I blame him, it was very very tough for the working class in the 20's and 30's so they probably hated the aristocracy, and had reason to.
To my foreigner's view, the message or lesson of value of let's call it 'Churchill-Narrative' is: Deep awareness of own crimes and failures doesn't mean defeat or defeatism, but urges a will to win and passionate desire to build glorious prosperous future . Why not to become sunlike?! :)
Excellent excellent podcast. This was a great way to learn some history. Andrew demonstrated his encyclopedic knowledge of the matter and still told us riveting stories. More please!
I heard that though didn't go there - instead we took the Parliament tour which was GBP 25 per person and included pretty much all of Parliament including walking down the center aisle of both the Commons and Lords. If you are in London when Parliament is NOT in session DEFINITELY take that tour. And if you're of a religious persuasion, Holy Communion at Westminster Abbey (@3:30pm weekdays) is memorable as well. (We were there 1-2 weeks before the Brexit vote)
There is echoes of George Washington in Churchill. Washington also cheated death, having his coat, but never body, hit with bullets. Valley Forge might have been his Dardanelles. And like Churchill heading back to war at 40, Washington led the army while President to put down civil unrest (I think the Whiskey Rebellion). The two men also shared incredible determination and courage. Churchill, though, had the better wit!
Nah Washington created a country that grew Churchill left the Empire in tatters and the UK is back to a smaller form than even before Elizabeth I. One man, even a racist, who only ruled for 14 years isn't worth trading away your entire prosperity and grand children's future for.
Also my Lord, the US did not give us the Sherman tanks, they were purchased at huge cost as was the every bit of food & every bullet. Even I born in 67 paid down that bill with Jock Brown paying the last instalment.
@@copee2960 your grandfather was correct. Not only did America financially ruin us they took our technology almost for free, and they manipulated our policies, so things like Blue Steel our own nuclear missile was cancelled because they wanted it cancelled. That project kept my dad busy in Australia for a bit.
Common British canard about the US role is to confuse Lend Leases (free) with the 1946 Anglo American loan which gave Britain money at the usurious rate of 2%.
@@sanniepstein4835American politicians, particularly on the Republican side realized they had been maneuvered into the first world war by the arms manufacturers, who had sold Britain and France huge amounts of arms on credit, then lobbied the US government to save their debts. They did not want a repeat of that. Also don't forget the Balfour declaration, designed to appeal to those who they believed were the real controlling power in the USA
Fascinating to hear about the life of Winston Churchill, amazing life! Great interview, Andrew should stick to history. He lost me when he compared “Putin to Hitler, and Zelensky to Churchill”… please!!!
A fascinating interview by Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster with the historian, Andrew Roberts, Baron Roberts of Belgravia, on the life of Winston Churchill. Foster has an Irish father, a Venezuelan mother and an Arab grandfather. Kissin is of Jewish and Russian heritage and grew up in Uzbekistan, then part of the Soviet Union. They run the Triggernometry website, one of my favourite sources of information. Both are immigrants who, like many others, make a really valuable contribution to the UK both as commentators and comedians.
@@dandare1001 The book tries to put Churchill as directly to blame for the Bengal Famine. The narrative that it spawned is that Churchill committed his own genocide against the Bengalis. It’s a load of nonsense of course. Arthur Herman (wrote the book Churchill and Gandhi) said it best, the Bengal Famine was not a secret, nor a war. Nor does it have much to do with Churchill. This hasn’t stopped people running wild with the idea and it’s where most of the “Churchill was a racist” comments find their roots. Not to mention it’s also lead to Churchill being compared to Hitler and Stalin. For instance, the UA-cam channel WW2 has done an episode where they explicitly put Churchill on the same pedestal as the other two.
@@dandare1001 The book tries to put Churchill as directly to blame for the Bengal Famine. The narrative that it spawned is that Churchill committed his own genocide against the Bengalis. It’s a load of nonsense of course. Arthur Herman (wrote the book Churchill and Gandhi) said it best, the Bengal Famine was not a secret, nor a war. Nor does it have much to do with Churchill. This hasn’t stopped people running wild with the idea and it’s where most of the “Churchill was a racist” comments find their roots. Not to mention it’s also lead to Churchill being compared to socialist leaders of WW2. For instance, the UA-cam channel WW2 has done an episode where they explicitly put Churchill on the same pedestal as the other two.
As one whose personal interests and livelihood is connected to history, I'm appalled by the ignorance of history in the last couple of generations. It leads to insanity and disaster. Yet, my depth of knowledge of Churchill is shallow. He seems to be typical of the old adage regarding many of that generation, high and low: hard times make for strong men, strong men make for good times, good times make for weak men, weak men make for hard times, etc.
Which one? The one just outside the entrance to the House of Commons? (along with Thatcher, Lloyd George and Attlee) or the one in Parliament Square between Parliament and Westminster Abbey? (If you're in London go to Parliament and Westminster Abbey and see both!)
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CHAPTERS👇
00:00 Introduction
01:30 Churchill’s Birth & Early Life
06:07 The Values of a Victorian
10:20 How Successful Was Churchill in the Military?
16:25 Churchill During the First World War
24:29 Sponsor Message: Galaxy Projector
26:00 Did Churchill Believe Britain Was Becoming Weak?
30:56 Churchill’s Post-1918 Political Career
33:49 What Caused the Decline of the British Empire?
36:48 Churchill in the Early 1930s
43:07 Do We Remember Neville Chamberlain Unfairly?
52:21 How Close Britain Was to Defeat
54:22 Churchill’s Strength & Success in Government Roles
57:47 Sponsor Message: Factor
59:30 How Churchill Turned the Situation Around
1:04:22 America’s Involvement in the Conflict
1:11:00 Was Churchill Actually an Alcoholic?
1:15:57 The Moral Debates Going on During the War
1:19:57 When Did Britain Learn About Concentration Camps?
1:21:27 What Ended the Nazi Regime?
1:23:54 Sponsor Message: GiveSendGo
1:25:10 Churchill’s Deal With Stalin
1:32:06 What Churchill Thought of Hitler
1:38:54 How Churchill’s Views Would be Seen Today
1:43:21 What Can We Learn From Winston Churchill?
1:46:02 Are There Parallels Between Then & Now?
1:50:05 How to Frame the Discussion Around the British Empire
1:53:02 How Did Churchill See Through the Nazis Before Anyone Else?
Still a racist though.
Everyone was..😁
@joshuataylor3550 and what did you acolmplish during your life?
@@iggyharl5780 He posted a comment on youtube..🤣
I had a question ,Churchill might foreseen the arab problems in the land of Israel, why he took the Solomon's wisdom to deal with ? the baby would be cut in two, each woman to receive half ? or ,it was T.E Lawrence idea ?
Hallelujah. At Triggernometry we don’t pretend to be the experts, we ask the experts. Andrew Roberts clearly is this. So refreshing to listen to. A welcome change.
Andrew roberts is a member of parliament, so he can't say bad things about the war crimes of dresden. The allies literally bombed a city off the map. Just like Israel is doing to north gaza. And you know what? Andrew roberts gets money from Jewish donors, so he can't call Israel's dresden like war crimes against Gaza, war crimes. Andrew roberts lied to you about a historical fact because he gets donor money for his political campaign today.
Ross Greer is an expert on Churchill. This is rubbish and you aren't very intelligent.
Churchill said “The British blockade treated the whole of Germany as if it were a beleaguered fortress, and avowedly sought to starve the whole population-men, women and children, old and young, wounded and sound-into submission.”
Please can we have more interviews of this calibre? To hear a long form interview with an articulate expert is a rare treat.
I felt nostalgic for my youth when BBC2 could be relied on to broadcast intelligent discussion like this. It says something about Britain today (and the BBC in particular) that we all have to use UA-cam to hear civilised and well-evidenced discussion.
BBC is incredibly dumbed down these days
“You have to see people in their own time.” Absolutely right.
As L.P Hartley said in The Go-Between: “The past is a foreign country, they do things differently there”.
Applause for Andrew Roberts! The knowledge he was able to convey so eloquently and in a way that kept me enthralled this entire video! I’d love to hear him speak more on history, not only about the tremendously interesting figure Winston Churchill. Thank you for this fantastic guest! 👏👏👏
What about South Africa? My father joined up with the South African Air Force the day war was declared and Jan Smuts joined the Allied forces. Quite an oversight by Robert unfortunately
@@TrevorSykes-x7t Of what relevance to the subject of this discussion is South Africa?
@@gandydancer9710 I'm guessing its a reference to the fact that Andrew didn't specifically mention the South African (and Rhodesian) contribution to WW2 when he was discussing the involvement of various parts of the British Empire (ie Canada, Australia, New Zealand and India)?
@@oldfella3919 I have only a vague memory of Cooper listing Empire/Commonwealth resources, but providing a complete list was beside the point, which was that they existed. "What about ME!" seems a rather juvenile response.
This is an absolutely outstanding history lesson on WW2. Francis and Konstantin can take great pride in arranging this interview. I'm astonished and disappointed but not surprised by the observation that Britain's students are not educated about WW2. The benefits of living in the West are almost entirely dependant on the courage and bravery of the likes of Churchill and the ordinary Tommy soldier in the field. The younger generation should take a lesson in moral fortitude if they wish to continue to enjoy the benefits of life in the West.
Too late we've already given the West away. Democracy means the lowest denominator rules because they literally too stupid to know what's good for them and so are easily conned.
Both my American grandfathers fought in France in WWI, my father and uncles fought in WWII. Yes, proud, proud of them.
who told you ww2 isn't taught in British schools? Its a central part of the curriculum for 14 year olds
And that’s your problem, you just concentrate on Churchill and WW2. How much do yiu know about his double dealing, Ireland, India, Iran, the Middle East ???
You need another lesson in WW2 ?????😂😂😂😂
So much of the problem in modern Western countries is that it is very true that our current leadership just completely lacks that wisdom that historians like Andrew Roberts can lend them. It is embarrassing to see how often our leaders are just plainly stupid, and the products of our appalling "education" system. We dismiss our past at our own peril and are headed for terrible times because of this. 🤷♂
You are totally correct. Well said. WFH
My favorite saying of all time. "Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it." Just imagine the quality of leader that we will have in 20 or 30 yrs on our current trajectory... I dread the thought.
The problem is they are Schwabs puppets
Well said
Things are happening faster than a 20 to 30 year time period
Thank you. I'm cycling to Paris in June to commemorate DDAY +80 years. This is a charity ride to raise funds for Help For Heroes. All of the freedoms we have enjoyed since the end of the war are because of the great sacrifice and bravery of the previous generations.
It's always been a dream of mine to visit the beaches of Normandy. I hope one day I can make it. My grandfather fought the nazis in Italy, and other fronts. We need to be more like our grandfathers.
So lovely to be hearing an interesting and positive account of this nation’s history and Churchill, one of the greatest Britons of all time. Thank you.
Churchill was one of the worst things to happen to Europe. He instigated the Second World War on behalf of international banking interests.
Great speeches.
@@buildmotosykletist1987 when the woke traitorous outfit that the bbc is now, sought the greatest Briton, I voted for Winston Churchill and was ecstatic when he was voted the greatest ever briton. Sadly the bubble dwelling traitors that I mentioned above, wouldnt even list him now
@@uytgggffghj8797 : I wouldn't list him at all. As I said: 'Great speeches'.
"What about the Dardanelles" !
@@uytgggffghj8797 : His disregard for soldiers was criminal.
Such a fascinating conversation! I can't get enough of listening British historians! And Brits should be so proud of their heritage and contribution to this planet! It's so sad to see what is currently going on with a part of the people...
Yes a lot of the public are a seething cauldron of anger thanks to years of grooming gangs, mass immigration, 2-tier justice, cultural denigration and the rewriting of our very history
I was educated - tolerably well - in the English state system in the 1970s and 80s. I was awarded an A grade in A level history but at no point in the various syllabuses was Churchill mentioned. Despite this, I always knew, and still know, quite a lot about Churchill from my own reading and general knowledge. This probably began with being taken to see the film 'Young Winston' circa 1973.
I wish every school pupil would get to listen to this excellent interview.
I was at school in Australia in the same period. History was still taught properly. However we were taught virtually nothing about the second world war, probably because our parents and grandparents lived through it. And the Vietnam War was never mentioned, because as children we had lived through it, and it hadn't long ended.
Movies are essential-with young hip stars-to reintroduce the new generations of leaders…to reality.
@@grannyannie2948we had a few veteran teachers when I was at school in the 70/80s, headmaster at middle school was a former spitfire pilot, one ex DLI Burmha vet, an ex jap POW, they told us some interesting dits during some lessons and quiet periods.
@@looney7022 I did reply.
Roberts is an absolute gentleman scholar. His debate on Intelligence Squared years ago (the one of if Napoleon should be called great) demonstrated Roberts is both an expert speaker, but also equally magnanimous in defeat (he lost the debate). It's an honor to listen and learn from him.
I am sure he won the debate - he argued Napoleon was great
This is an outstanding show. Thank you for having this man on.
Staggeringly good interviewee perfectly interviewed with respect, rapt attention and intelligent questioning. A real milestone from Triggernometry which goes from strength to strength as a media organisation.This is something the BBC once would have been proud to produce.
I could listen to Lord Roberts of Belgravia all day long. Is there a better more articulate and knowledgeable historian? And what a fabulous calming voice too. Tip top interview.
He compared Zelensky to Churchill. Some fucking historian.
As well as Roberts, David Starkey for me.
@@murkartiksome would argue that Zelensky and Churchill had the same backers...
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He would get cancelled in totalitarian Britain if he didn't. Churchill would be turning in his grave about how the UK fell to Marxism. He is a good historian but lacks the moral courage to tell the truth about what is happening now.
@@castlerock58Or, could it be possible he has a differing opinion to you?
«No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…» - Winston S. Churchill, 11 November 1947
Perhaps a Republic like the United States which unfortunately is being ran as a Democracy
Wonderful to listen to him - such complete mastery of the material!
His "Never Surrender " speech is arguably one of the greatest speech of all time
He surrendered everything to America.
Exactly, although you don't need to say "arguably".
The sad thing is that his "Never Surrender" speech was recorded at Chartwell in 1947, and not in the House. However, the words are the same ones he used in his speech in late May 1940.
And no one heard it because the House of Commons didn’t allow microphones.
I prefer joseph goebbels speech on the channel "time unveiled"
Thank you for having Andrew Roberts on! The dragging through the mud of Churchill by activists is disgusting. Any sensible person without an agenda knows no one is perfect and judging someone in the past on ‘modern day views’ is stupid. It’s time to bring back the teaching and be unashamed about one of the greatest Britons.
Churchill wasworse than Stalin. A dull glutton who hid behind the bogus doft underbelly argument
Andrew recommended it but I can’t stress enough how good of a book ‘My Early Life’ is by Winston Churchill. One of the most enjoyable reading experiences I’ve ever had. Churchill’s humour and writing style is unmatched.
I've read Andrew's book on Churchill. He knows everything there is to know about the great man. Can't wait for this!
He was a war criminal and you are glorifying him? Bloody hypocrite!
Read Edward Dutton's book on Churchill.
How can you call him a great man? He was a bloody damn evil racist man.
"Andrew" most certainly does NOT include nearly everything at all ! He has omitted an encyclopedias worth of important events, political, military, Secrets War, personal financial woes. His deal with one of the Worlds wealthiest men to harass Hitler, refute Hitler and prevent any agreements with Hitler under any circumstances. And on a personal level, even Winston trying to drown a close relative in the Blenheim Palace lake, by beating the child repeatedly over the head with a paddle from the rowing boat Winston, as a child himself, was in !!
Same here.
Where's our Churchill today...? The world desperately needs good leaders....
The world is this way directly because of him
Boris Johnson
Churchill was a r.a.c....p.^..g
PERIOD !
@@maninabush8449 Agreed. The man who lost the British Empire by not coming to terms with Hitler in 1940. His intent in 1940 was a million miles from the outcome by 1945, a failed to get what he set out for massively.
@@JoshKim-x4n😂😂😂😂
Wish more european leaders had his clarity :"Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world,"
If only he'd recognized the enlightenment's value in breaking Christianity's hold on his people
@@timthetiny7538 ...Like the collapse of the Western culture and the introduction of marxism and DEI as the new religion? our survival instincts are dead and our cultural immune system is all but entirely collapsed.
I’m sure we all agree that Christianity also had its dark moments in history as well
@@harmonimangat3242 Christianity is not native to Europe. Christianity came from the Middle East. Europeans were pagans before they became Christian.
@@desiputtar89 your point?
Lord Halifax wanted to surrender. Churchill saved us.
Saved us from what? Germany didn’t declare war on us, we declared war on her, Hitler didn’t want war with us, Churchill was a monster who led us into a disastrous war that we could snd should have avoided, the man was a war criminal.
He was a war mongerer that cause the death of millions all to satisfy his fanatical desire to keep Germany down.
Chamberlain wanted to sit down with Hitler and churchill refused, sending lots of young men to death without negotiations isnt great!
Saved us? He dragged us into the War! Read an actual History book.
Looking at your nation now, I'd take Germans over Muslims.
Churchill is one of the great human beings to have lived. And he had an excellent sense of humor to boot.
Churchill's history of the British people should be a must read for anyone loosing faith in Britain and our incredible history, warts and all.
Read about his gambling debts and who paid those debts off and what they wanted in exchange
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Source?
@@robertcottam8824 Henry Strakosch and "the focus group"
I'm reminded of "if you don't make mistakes you don't make anything"; which I first heard when learning to build boats and ships.
The trick is, which many people never grasp, is to have the courage to review objectively one's mistakes and learn from them.
Churchill understood this and so makes an excellent role model.
Andrew's book on Napoleon is probably one of my favourite books, it's incredible.
Have you read Dale Carnegie's book on Abraham Lincoln?
@sydmccreath4554 Isn't it sad that people of very little talent or ability always sh-it on those who endeavored to excel?
Thanks for the suggestion. I find Napoleon more interesting.
@sydmccreath4554 Actions, words. The fact is that he did free the slaves, rendering that comment inconsequential.
@sydmccreath4554 I’m sure you’re aware that you’ve omitted most of that quote and completely missed the point of it
An incredible historian (Andrew), an incredible man (Churchill), and an incredible interview. Masterpiece.
The Darkest Hour, brilliant film opened the door and discussion with my children wanting to learn more about important history
I can highly recommend The History of WW2 podcast by Ray Harris Jnr. He devotes a lot of time to Churchill, effectively telling his life story up to 1939. Also does the same with Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin. Brilliant stuff.
Great interview. What a life Churchill lived!
Really great interview with such an inspiring historian. Kk and Francis I could see were so enjoying this interview , absorbing all the amazing well rounded information. I was so impressed by the honesty of this historian. He didn’t paper over the cracks . David Starkeys account of Churchills ancestor Marlborough is so worth watching. A really amazing strategist . My Dad served as a para and he loved Churchill.
The point about Chamberlain is that Britain was in no position, economically, to take on Germany in 1938. He had to make time to re-arm.
Have a look from a different perspective. Follow the German economy from pre WW1 to post WW2. It's quite fascinating
Except he didn't use the time to rearm, at least not nearly as seriously as he could have. He truly thought there would be no war.
Yes but was he stalling or was he just trying to avoid war at all costs? If memory serves, he did serve in the cabinet during the war and was highly thought of by WSC
@@xn85d2So many people like to suppose what he thought - as if he never kept a diary or told anyone, such is the failure of historians to relate his affairs
@@andyhxhis air craft never stalled - see the Heston newsreels
Andrew Roberts is wonderfu to listen to. Complete knowledge of his subject and a great speaker. Thanks for providing this wonderful watch.
Winston Churchill wasn't even remotely divisive. He's one of the most unifying figures in British history.
He marched millions of British catholics to their death to gain favour with the Jewish bankers, who went on to set up the state of Israel that has been a curse on Europe since we involved ourselves in it.
Churchill marched millions of Catholic family men to their deaths to appease the bankers of a certain religion, who after the war, created a certain state, that has been breaking Europe since its conception in the 1940's.
I say "certain" because moments ago I posted this comment but it was immediately removed because I named them.
Twice I've posted a comment explaining why your wrong, and twice its been deleted instantly... I'm sure you've had the notifications that I've commented twice already... interesting that they're being deleted
@@maninabush8449 Certainly not deleted by me. I want to see your comments.
Can you give me a one liner why you think I'm wrong?
@@JohnSmith-su3ze I was talking about a demographic that begins with J and
Rhymes with "You"
Great interview. What a leader WC was. Qualities we can only dream of within todays crop of career politicians
Great interview, I am a huge fan of Churchill. I need to read this book
Perhaps not emphasized enough was that the many books written by Churchhill were written by him and NOT some ghostwriter as is so common today!
An astute observation. As a boy I used to dip into the many volumes of Churchill's History of the 2nd World War on my parents' shelves, incredible to think he was a PM and such a prolific author. And letter-writer. And watercolourist....
My Grandfather volunteered and fought the Japanese in Burma and he was very proud of it!
so did mine - captain John Lewis.
A righteous war that we absolutely HAD to win. Lost my Grandfather in a Royal Navy motor torpedo boat… defending our southern coast…. Did my duty in the Royal Marines. Bring back national service.
And rightly proud!
Churchhill was the best leader the British have ever had! Thank you so much for this wonderful video. So sad, these youngsters aren't taught about this wonderful leader.
They lost their empire after...
Churchill is a modern Pyrrhus
Susan's sarcasm is hunourous.
Fantastic interview.
Winston Churchill is the single indispensable person of the 20th Century.
Only to British, don't tell indians us, over 2 billion people in the world hate Churchill
No such figure found, these days. Very sad.
Yank here, I agree 100%.
This is superb. Andrew is the finest British historian of his generation.
Churchill was an excellent war leader but not the guy you want to build a more equal society that’s why he lost post war election. Why can’t we respect what he achieved when he was needed but acknowledge he wasn’t a perfect human which lets face it few are. He was a man of his generation and his class.
The drive to build 'an equal society' is now a fanaticism. He did introduce the Wages Council.
@@elkpaz560 Men like my grandad who landed on the beaches and liberated the camps knew what they wanted for their children after the war and that’s why he didn’t get their votes .
I'm no British, but it's always confused me why having fought so hard, and lost so many fighting national socialism, the British turned around and voted for it at the first opportunity.
@@grannyannie2948 this is why having an aristocracy can be 'better' than the morally superior equality and democracy. most people are dumb and ignorant and short-sighted. so few even have a lay understanding of anything that should be relevant to the survival of the country, never mind a deeper understanding. how could they possibly make good decisions?
aristocrats are not any more moral on average (I would guess) but at least almost all of them have long term investment in the country they are part of. they had superior education and training and were brought up around decision making and politicking and so on. in general they would just perform better at this
@@manfrombritain6816 As an Australian I agree entirely. Plato concluded thousands of years ago that a king is superior to a bad democratically elected government. To remove a bad king you only need to remove one man and his followers. I'm currently reading about Henrietta Maria and the Glorious Revolution, when this occurred in fairly recent times. To overthrow an elected government, you are fighting at least half the country that voted it in.
Where would we be now without Churchill’s courage and steadfastness in 1939? He wasn’t perfect but he was probably our greatest genuine hero since Nelson. We should be grateful to him.
As an American, I can tell you he was greatly respected, and admired. He was the right man for the job, never a thought of surrender. He loved his nation...
With Nazis... oh wait, that's where we now are, with IslamoNazism.
No one is perfect, but some are more perfect than others. Churchill in that respect was "perfect".
@@Candolad perfect
If there was no churchill, the British empire would have fought on without Churchill and the USA and russia would still have worked together to annihilate nazis. Just google the factory production of tanks and aircraft, and you will see.
Brilliant. This is one of the most interesting and inciteful interviews you have done. Andrew Roberts was so clear and knowledgeable. At first I shocked it was 2hrs long but the time passed so quickly and I was riveted all the way through. Thank you.
Apparently some _Zoomer Historian_ thinks he wasn't that great... I beg to differ; Though it wasn't great to be an Irishman during the 1920s under his authority, he DID lead Britain to achieve proper operating status during the later part of WWII, his strategies and mentallity as PM was what kept the British in the fight and helped them pull through to the end. He deserves every bit of praise the countrymen of the U.K. proclaim of him.
Quite afew people are not fans of Churchill. Most make the case that his wartime policy, bankrupted Britain and subjected it to the USA, which it did.
I beg to differ, the man was a monster, a warmonger who led this country to disaster getting involved in a cataclysmic is war we didn’t need to fight, the man was a war criminal.
@DavidSmith-fs5qj Neville Chamberlain was British PM at the start of WW2. He declared war on Germany after they invaded Poland. You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Who exactly did he lead to war, considering the war had already started?
@@DavidSmith-fs5qj
Your STOOOOPID!
I didn’t say that Churchill declared war, he pushed us to war, a war that cost us hundreds of thousands dead, cost us an empire and laid the foundations of the mess we are in today, it is you who hasn’t got a clue what you are talking about.
Im an American and I absolutely love Churchill. It may sound crazy but i listen to his Never Surrender speech often, especially now because of all the craziness going on here and across the world. I absolutely adore that great man. Hes the first person I think of when I hear or read about England.
Adored from afar, despised by those closer to him. Speaks volumes.
Thank You Mr Roberts. You have spoken very clearly and informatively on a huge range of topics about Churchill and also related to Churchill regarding the several wars, particularly WWII and Adolf Hitler. I judge this as one of the better two hours I've wasted on any particular youtube video. Please continue doing the same thing you are doing.
He undersells the Canadians contributions to the war effort. Britain had entered the war with 80,000 military vehicles of all types; however, 75,000 of these British vehicles were left behind in the evacuation at Dunkirk in 1940. Virtually defenceless on the ground, Britain turned to Canada. Canadian industry produced more than 800,000 military transport vehicles, 50,000 tanks, 40,000 field, naval, and anti-aircraft guns, and 1,700,000 small arms. The Germans referred to Canadians as 'shock troops'.
Canadia's biggest contribution was to have the largest unit in Britain (1st Canadian Division) during the Battle of Britain - they didn't arrive early enough to get sent to France. And of course to play a major role in the U-boat war.
It is so refreshing to listen to a historian rather than the usual Hollywood garbage of history we Americans have to endure.
He was spot on with Islam
He shouldn't have been taking bribes from the same ppl that ended up inviting Islam in then should he
Peaceful Islam, but the radicals I would say not.
@@dennisddd8243Seems you can't have one without the other
@@dennisddd8243no peaceful Islam in 1400 years.
He also insulted all Indians by saying 'they breed like rabbits' when they were dieing of famine and 1937, Churchill stated that:
I do not admit ... for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.
Can you imagine any politician doing that now? No, indeed not, Churchill had more courage all the politicians in the western world put together in the last 50 years.
Getting us into a war that causes us to lose our entire empire then claiming they fought the most evil man of all time? yeah I can see it.
Also, he would have demolished Trump before he had even started sipping is pre-breakfast cup of tea.
A truly GREAT man who made the most difficult decisions in modern times with honor, dignity and the resilience and determination of the world's greatest ever nation. God save the King.
Well said
It's great to hear Churchill wasn't a teetotaller and ate meat but Hitler was a teetotaller and vegetarian
I used to use the vegetarian-Hitler connection to wind people up, but it turns out that he wasn't a veggie.
Great interview, thank you very much! Andrew Roberts is great!!
Just one point about the Dardenelles. It was very close to coming off. The Turkish leaders actually fled Istanbul. Only the inaction of the Naval commander, and Kitchener refusing to reinforce quickly from Egypt prevented it from coming off with barely a shot being fired. The mistake was letting the Turks regroup and not withdrawing sooner. Also, the whole cabinet agreed to the plan but only Churchill fell on his sword for it. Im surprised Andrew does not mention these facts.
Great interview, thank you. We barely learnt anything about Churchill in my secondary school, if anything at all!
I don’t want multiculturalism that doesn’t integrate, I just want more of this British spirit.
This is such a wonderful , informative and interesting podcast , thank you Triggernometry .
What a fascinating history lesson about Winston Churchill. I didn't learn any of this in my history lessons at school. I have been inspired by this conversation to read some of Andrew's books, and maybe some by Churchill too.
I'm reading his ( WSC) history of the second world war. Only the combined version, I think originally it was 3 volumes.
Winston Churchill is one of the few humans worthy of his words being put permanently on my skin.
"If youre going through hell, keep going"
Excellent phrase …as patient endurance is definitely a much needed quality and the best way to see through any difficulty…not escape through various diversions which give a temporary high to be followed by a low…
Brilliant guys. Well done. What an inspiring person Churchill was. I was lucky enough to study him at school. If only we had politicians with his experience and wisdom. I'm going to get Andrews book.
The most depressing thing here is that almost nothing is taught about him in schools, as this would require context and an understanding that he lived in a time of very different values. As history is now taught as a left wing morality to play it isn’t possible to use Churchill.
Because one day you'll eventually look around Londonstan and ask yourself "how did we lose our empire?".
And it will start with WW1 and end with WW2.
It's now up to parents, we must teach our children ourselves. My son will learn about Churchill and all the brave men who sacrificed so much for us. Including both my grandfathers.
Churchill is among the most famous people in human history.
I learned a lot about him in school though I'm now in my late 60s and high school for me was the early 1970s. My high school math teacher was a Mackenzie-Papineau (International Brigade) man in Spain and my history teacher was Army Intelligence. (Of course my Physics teacher was from Germany and had been an 11 year old Hitler Youth in 1945) That combo ensured I learned much about WW2!
Great interview. I have read several of Andrew Roberts' books, and his single-volume biography of Sir Winston is superb. His books about Wellington and Napoleon are also very good, in my view.
Churchill was a flawed person (spoiler alert: we all are) and a great man. His life has many lessons for us. And Roberts is so right in saying he should be judged by the values of his time.
It only confirms, he clearly is my heroe. And I am not British! 😊 As we say in France, a real ‘Homme d’Etat’, statesman.
Churchill was enigmatic, prolific, and ubiquitous: quite a fellow.
"History will be kind to me, for I will write it myself" Winston Churchill
Utterly fascinating. Thank you, gentlemen.
Thoroughly enjoying this. Andrew is accurately objective, largely because of his extensively detailed mastery of his subject.
This discussion should be compulsive viewing in all schools in the UK and the USA and all english speeking european countries. THANK YOU.
An incredibly uplifting story so well laid out by Andrew Roberts whose knowledge is copious and enthusiasm is infectious. Ably steered by the trigger guys. Where would we be now but for Churchill! Get real, naysayers!
Obama who was such an "outstanding world leader" had the bust of Churchill removed from the White House. This is very telling and only adds to my disdain for most of our modern "statesmen".
Your clueless, Obama the village idiot.
The child grooming LGBTQ gender fluidity absurdities village idiot was an outstanding world leader in your mind?
His gender fluidity absurdities fundamentally changed America into Sodom and Gomorrah on steroids.
Which will soon be the end of America if GOD doesn't shed HIS grace and mercy on us.
I remember I told my co-workers that if we elected Obama, America deserved whatever happened to us.
Well we will soon pay a heavy price for it.
When you say outstanding world leader, that is sarcasm right? Obama's greatest and only legacy will be the first black American president. I was glad he was elected but I had little hope it would be successful. And unfortunately I was right.
That’s not what happened. The Brits had loaned the bust to the WH many years before and asked for it back. Full stop.
We'll said a book worm vs a warrior
@@dennisddd8243 I told my co-workers that if the American people elected him we deserved what we got.
Well we deserve everything that's going on to this day.
We all know it's Obama running this clown show today.
The leftist stole the American presidential election from the American people,and you better believe he's going to do it again if possible.
He knows he can get away with it.
One of your best interviews. Brilliant.
Agree ..just bordered his book
Ordered!
Nice work lads: keeping the intellectual standards elevated, thank you.
The truly great are not flawless. They are the ones who rise to their occasions.
So great to hear this history from Andrew. Reminds me of studying European History as part of my degree. Absolutely fascinating talk
From the US here: but I think the British Empire was a good thing for the world. Nobody likes being colonized, but there was a lot of knowledge, culture, and technology transfer, the building up of infrastructure, international trade, and political alliances. And, in the end, they withdrew reasonably gracefully.
You're wrong and you're the typical useful US idiot that these clowns have brainwashed with Hollywood movies. Retard.
"Nobody likes being colonized" Why ? I very pleased to live in a former British colony.
If the British empire was so great why did you Americans fight a long bloody war to get out of it?
Yes the Brit Empire was the most civilizing event since Rome. The Suez Canal the industrial revolution Steam power & rail travel. the School system spread under the Empire. Stopping Slavery & human sacrifice were all good things initiated by the Empire... naturally eggs were cracked to make custard 🍮
@@otisarmyalso I'm in Australia which was a convict colony. We were one of the earliest places to realise that boy prisoners should be separated from adult male prisoners, and reformed not punished. They went to school and studied an apprenticeship, they had about 15 to choose from. The idea being the boys could all move on to respectable, crime free lives. What I particularly liked was that every week day they had hours devoted to play, including all day Saturday.
I got to know a WWII veteran very well in my first job, for some reason he took to me and shared a few stories, which was suprising coz he was reserved and didnt suffer fools easily and I at 16 was just about the most the most conceited arrogant idiot you could imagine,
But i watched people and liked their stories.
He showed me his his blighty wound that got him sent home and probably saved his life.
He told me of the bulldozer driver who advanced up the normandy beach when everyone was pinned down, and never got a mention.
He also told me how Churchill was just walking around a few days after D-Day observing the front with rounds landing all around him and everyone was hugging the ground.
Conversly my granddad was regular army and survived the war from '39 to '45.
He hated Churchill, called him a warmonger and a toff.
No disrespect to your grandfather but the fact that he hated him and called him a warmonger just shows a level of ignorance which was probably the norm amongst the rank and file. Not that I blame him, it was very very tough for the working class in the 20's and 30's so they probably hated the aristocracy, and had reason to.
To my foreigner's view, the message or lesson of value of let's call it
'Churchill-Narrative' is:
Deep awareness of own crimes and
failures doesn't mean defeat or defeatism, but urges a will to win and passionate desire to build
glorious prosperous future .
Why not to become sunlike?! :)
Excellent excellent podcast. This was a great way to learn some history. Andrew demonstrated his encyclopedic knowledge of the matter and still told us riveting stories. More please!
Andrew Roberts is my favourite historian of all time. While his book on Churchill is fantastic, I still find Napoleon the Great phenomenal
The Churchill War Rooms Museum in London is fantastic.
I heard that though didn't go there - instead we took the Parliament tour which was GBP 25 per person and included pretty much all of Parliament including walking down the center aisle of both the Commons and Lords. If you are in London when Parliament is NOT in session DEFINITELY take that tour. And if you're of a religious persuasion, Holy Communion at Westminster Abbey (@3:30pm weekdays) is memorable as well. (We were there 1-2 weeks before the Brexit vote)
David Irving's Churchill volumes are also a good read for a slightly less effusive appraisal of the man.
I stopped reading after "David Irving".
I wish you'd stopped typing after reading "David Irving." 😄👍🏻
This may have been your best interview to date. Fascinating. Thank you.
There is echoes of George Washington in Churchill. Washington also cheated death, having his coat, but never body, hit with bullets. Valley Forge might have been his Dardanelles. And like Churchill heading back to war at 40, Washington led the army while President to put down civil unrest (I think the Whiskey Rebellion). The two men also shared incredible determination and courage. Churchill, though, had the better wit!
Nah Washington created a country that grew
Churchill left the Empire in tatters and the UK is back to a smaller form than even before Elizabeth I.
One man, even a racist, who only ruled for 14 years isn't worth trading away your entire prosperity and grand children's future for.
You do know there's a statue of George Washington outside the UK Parliament at Parliament Square right? Along with Lincoln, Mandela and Smuts
Also my Lord, the US did not give us the Sherman tanks, they were purchased at huge cost as was the every bit of food & every bullet. Even I born in 67 paid down that bill with Jock Brown paying the last instalment.
My grandfather who fought and saw action in WW2 told me the yanks made a pretty penny out of us through "helping us".
@@copee2960 your grandfather was correct. Not only did America financially ruin us they took our technology almost for free, and they manipulated our policies, so things like Blue Steel our own nuclear missile was cancelled because they wanted it cancelled. That project kept my dad busy in Australia for a bit.
I've never understood why my country (USA) treated our closest ally worse than our enemies after the war.
Common British canard about the US role is to confuse Lend Leases (free) with the 1946 Anglo American loan which gave Britain money at the usurious rate of 2%.
@@sanniepstein4835American politicians, particularly on the Republican side realized they had been maneuvered into the first world war by the arms manufacturers, who had sold Britain and France huge amounts of arms on credit, then lobbied the US government to save their debts. They did not want a repeat of that. Also don't forget the Balfour declaration, designed to appeal to those who they believed were the real controlling power in the USA
Winston Churchill was the man for the moment. He was a great man with faults (as all men have) and lesser men made much of them.
Fascinating to hear about the life of Winston Churchill, amazing life! Great interview, Andrew should stick to history. He lost me when he compared “Putin to Hitler, and Zelensky to Churchill”… please!!!
I can't believe he's said that. Zelensky is a crook, already signed Ukraine over to BlackRock and no doubt in for a very comfortable future.
Excellent episode. Love Churchill, they don't make them like that any more.
Thank God.
The greatest leader we have ever had in the UK and how people can say otherwise baffles me.
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Andrew Roberts is an Amazing Historian and Writer.
I love the fact WC was half American and mother was born @426 Henry St, Brooklyn, NY.
A fascinating interview by Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster with the historian, Andrew Roberts, Baron Roberts of Belgravia, on the life of Winston Churchill. Foster has an Irish father, a Venezuelan mother and an Arab grandfather. Kissin is of Jewish and Russian heritage and grew up in Uzbekistan, then part of the Soviet Union. They run the Triggernometry website, one of my favourite sources of information. Both are immigrants who, like many others, make a really valuable contribution to the UK both as commentators and comedians.
The people that defaced the statue probably wouldn't be here if it were not for Churchill and his leadership during the war.
Finally a bit of truth regarding Britains proud history.
This will be a good one, there's way too many lies spread about the great man.
What lies?
@@dandare1001 The book Churchill’s Secret War is a good place to start.
@@J1mston I was just hoping for a few examples. I have too many books to read at the moment,
@@dandare1001 The book tries to put Churchill as directly to blame for the Bengal Famine. The narrative that it spawned is that Churchill committed his own genocide against the Bengalis. It’s a load of nonsense of course. Arthur Herman (wrote the book Churchill and Gandhi) said it best, the Bengal Famine was not a secret, nor a war. Nor does it have much to do with Churchill. This hasn’t stopped people running wild with the idea and it’s where most of the “Churchill was a racist” comments find their roots. Not to mention it’s also lead to Churchill being compared to Hitler and Stalin. For instance, the UA-cam channel WW2 has done an episode where they explicitly put Churchill on the same pedestal as the other two.
@@dandare1001 The book tries to put Churchill as directly to blame for the Bengal Famine. The narrative that it spawned is that Churchill committed his own genocide against the Bengalis. It’s a load of nonsense of course. Arthur Herman (wrote the book Churchill and Gandhi) said it best, the Bengal Famine was not a secret, nor a war. Nor does it have much to do with Churchill. This hasn’t stopped people running wild with the idea and it’s where most of the “Churchill was a racist” comments find their roots. Not to mention it’s also lead to Churchill being compared to socialist leaders of WW2. For instance, the UA-cam channel WW2 has done an episode where they explicitly put Churchill on the same pedestal as the other two.
Churchill saved Britain. The right man for the right time. Clementine his wife was his support his critic and loved him unconditionally.
As one whose personal interests and livelihood is connected to history, I'm appalled by the ignorance of history in the last couple of generations. It leads to insanity and disaster. Yet, my depth of knowledge of Churchill is shallow. He seems to be typical of the old adage regarding many of that generation, high and low: hard times make for strong men, strong men make for good times, good times make for weak men, weak men make for hard times, etc.
How ridiculous that the great British schools would turn their backs on a man who was arguably one of the world's greatest leaders.
How lucky are the english men to have the statue of Churchill.
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Which one? The one just outside the entrance to the House of Commons? (along with Thatcher, Lloyd George and Attlee) or the one in Parliament Square between Parliament and Westminster Abbey? (If you're in London go to Parliament and Westminster Abbey and see both!)
I'm amazed by all of the details around Winston Churchill's life!